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Ralph Potts
06-26-08, 03:42 PM
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<b>The Review at a Glance: </b> (max score: 5 )

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<b> Audio/Video total rating:</b>
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<font color=darkorange><b><h2>93</h2></b></font>
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<b>Studio and Year:</b> Lions gate - 2008
<b>MPAA Rating:</b> R
<b>Feature running time:</b> 93 Minutes
<b>Genre:</b> Action

<b>Disc Format:</b> BD-50
<b>Encoding:</b> MPEG-4 (AVC)
<b>Video Aspect:</b> 2.35:1
<b>Resolution:</b> 1080p/24
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<b>Audio Format(s):</b> English 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby Digital 5.1 EX Surround, French Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround
<b>Subtitles:</b> English & Spanish
<b>Starring:</b> Sylvester Stallone, Julie Benz, Paul Schulze, Matthew Marsden, Graham McTavish, Tim Kang
<b>Directed by:</b>Sylvester Stallone
<b>Music by:</b> Brian Tyler
<b>Written by:</b> Art Montrastelli & Sylvester Stallone
<b>Region Code:</b> A

<b>Blu-ray Disc release Date:</b> May, 27, 2008

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<center><font color=Green><b><h2>"Live for nothing or die for something"</h2></b></font></center>

<h4>Film Synopsis:</h4></b></font>

<p>The ultimate American action hero returns - with a vengeance! After spending several years in northern Thailand operating a longboat on the Salween River, John Rambo (Sylvester Stallone) reluctantly agrees to carry a group of Christian missionaries into war-torn Burma. But when the aid workers are captured by ruthless Nationalist Army Soldiers, Rambo leads a group of battle-scarred, combat -hardened mercenaries on an epic, last ditch mission to rescue the prisoners - at all costs.</p>

<h4>My Take:</h4></b></font><p> I have been a Sylvester Stallone fan since I saw Rocky in the theater back in 1976. When <I>First Blood</I> came out back in 1982 I think it solidified Stallone as a star. I loved First Blood but when Part II came out was blown away (hey I was about 20 years old). The first two in the series have been my favorites as I never really connected with the third. After Rocky Balboa was released seeing this fourth installment in the Rambo franchise didn’t come as a surprise. I had seen it on Blu-ray disc prior to this review but couldn’t help but jump at the chance to watch it again when Lionsgate offered it. This is a straight forward and fairly simple story. For me I see its focal point being one dimensional. The idea is to create a situation wherein John Rambo can be thrown back into the fray. I can appreciate the fact that there are no bones about that. The screenplay moves quickly to achieve its purpose and once there it delivers to that end in spades. The bad guys are quickly established and get enough time onscreen so that we figure that they deserve the worst that Rambo can dish out. Once things are underway it gets bloody, graphically violent, and lots of stuff blows up. I could have done without the sexual assaults on women and the inference of a sexual assault on a minor though. Things are wrapped up and our man saves the day (for the most part). I thought the ending was a little corny but that’s Stallone’s style. When all was said and done I enjoyed <I>Rambo</I>. I liked the quick paced nature of the story and the action sequences were well done. It was overly violent which I thought could have been taken down a notch. I did appreciate its attempt to realistically depict the effects of gun battles and war. </p>


<h4>Parental Guide:</h4></b></font><p>The rating is appropriate. This is not one for young viewers and parents should be cautious.</p>



<br><b>AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
</b><font color=DarkOrange><b>REFERENCE</b></font> = 92-100 / </b><font color=teal><b>EXCELLENT</b></font> = 83-91 / </b><font color=green><b>GOOD</b></font> = 74-82 / </b><font color=yellowgreen><b>AVERAGE</b></font> = 65-73 / </b><font color=red><b>BELOW AVERAGE</b></font> = under 65 </b>

<em>**My audio/video ratings are based upon a comparative made against other high definition media/blu-ray disc.**</em>


<b>(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)</b>

<font color=darkorange><b><h4>Audio: 96</h4></b></font>
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<li>Low frequency extension: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109948&d=1210373699"></li>
<li>Surround Sound presentation: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109947&d=1210373699"></li>
<li>Clarity/Detail: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109948&d=1210373699"></li>
<li>Dialogue Reproduction: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109947&d=1210373699">
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<font color=teal><b><h4>Video: 90</h4></b></font>
<b>(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)</b>

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<li>Resolution/Clarity: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109948&d=1210373699"></li>
<li>Black level/Shadow detail: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109948&d=1210373699"></li>
<li>Color reproduction: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109946&d=1210373692"></li>
<li>Fleshtones: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109946&d=1210373692"></li>
<li>Compression: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109947&d=1210373699"</b></li></ul><p><b><I>Rambo</I> comes to Blu-ray Disc from Lionsgate featuring 1080p AVC encoded video that has an average bitrate of 27 mbps and lossless 7.1 channel DTS-HD Master Audio that has an average bitrate of 5.8 mbps.</b></p><p>The video presentation was near reference quality and offered stunning images. Detail was sublime from almost every perspective with only a handful of shots appearing less than pristine in quality. I attributed this more to the photography than the encoding. Contrast was slightly elevated which made bright scenes appear more dynamic while obscuring fine detail and detectable delineation within whites. Blacks were nice and deep with plenty of dynamic range and visible gradations. This was the case with scenes containing both light and dark elements. I had no trouble detecting objects within dark areas or backgrounds during low light scenes. Colors were intentionally muted which made them appear flat but thanks to the video’s high resolution and razor sharpness it came off just fine. Fleshtones were earthy looking which to my eyes was a perfect fit with the style of the film. This was a great looking transfer overall.</p><p>The DTS-HD Master Audio soundtrack on this Blu-ray Disc was a sonic tour de force and was of reference quality. My SVS PB-13 Ultra subwoofer cranked out an abundance of clean, powerful, and room filling bass that had palpable extension. By design this mix is intended to be bombastic and aggressive. I had the feeling that my room had been transformed into a jungle as sounds were both distinctive and spatially ambiguous within the sound field. Gunfire and explosions had a tactile and dynamic impact that could be felt from any point in the room. The rich and immersive quality of the audio enhanced the experience to a higher level of realism. The soundstage didn’t seem to have two parts but one very large one that was elaborately detailed and sonically superior. If you want to drive your entire system to demonstrate its capabilities this DTS-HD Master Audio soundtrack is the ticket. I have added <I>Rambo</I> to my list of recommended Blu-ray Demo Discs.</p>

<h4><b>Bonus Features:</b></h4></font>

<p>This is a well rounded and comprehensive bonus set that takes you inside the world of Rambo. It starts with the 20 year journey that brought Rambo to the big screen and includes details on script ideas, concepts and interviews. It provides details on the music used in the film, post production problems, the weapons featured in the story, opening premiere night and more. There is a very good feature on the continuing problems in real life Burma which is a must see. </p><p>Included is a Bonus view picture in picture option which plays along with the film (a profile 1.1 player is required) which is very informative and includes behind the scenes footage and more for those interested. The MoLog (Movie Log) feature allows you to watch the film, and create your own value added content via a shared blog. This option requires a Profile 2.0 compatible player and live internet connection. Lastly Lionsgate has included a Digital Copy bonus disc containing a standard definition version of the film which can be loaded on to a PC or Mac and then on to a portable playback device. I think this is a great idea and am glad to see that more studios are using it.</p>


<ul>
<li>Audio Commentary: With Sylvester Stallone</li>
<li><b>(HD)</b> 4 Deleted Scenes </li>
<li> <b>(HD)</b> It‘s a long road: Resurrection of an icon featurette</li>
<li><b>(HD)</b> Ascore to settle: The music if Rambo featurette </li>
<li><b>(HD)</b> The art of war: Completing Rambo featurette </li>
<li> <b>(HD)</b> The Weaponry of Rambo featurette</li>
<li><b>(HD)</b> A hero‘s welcome: Release & Reaction featurette</li>
<li> <b>(HD)</b> Legacy of despair: The struggle in Burma featurette</li>
<li><b>(HD)</b> Rambo Series Trailer Gallery</li>
<li>MoLog </li>
<li>Digital Copy</li></ul>



<h4>Final Thoughts:</h4></b></font>

<p> Lionsgate has put together an impressive Blu-ray Disc package in <I>Rambo</I>. The film is not going to win any awards but for those that like plenty of hard hitting action it gets the job done. It features superlative audio quality, near reference video and a complete set of bonus supplements. It has found a place in my collection.</p>





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<br><b>Ralph Potts</b>
<em>AVS Forum Blu-ray Reviews</em>



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Art Sonneborn
06-26-08, 03:54 PM
Wow ! I was going to skip this but it sounds like ,at least for a night with friends over, it could be a nice addition.

Art

KingLeerUK
06-26-08, 04:06 PM
Ralph, did you notice any audio dropouts during the presentation? I watched this just the other night on my Samsung BD-P1400 (v1.6fw) and there were 3 very distinct audio drops in the film, the first occuring right about the 13 minute mark.

It seems I'm not the only one who has experienced this as a search on the Internet yields numerous other people with the same issue across multiple playback devices. That said, I just updated my firmware to the recently released 1.8 and the problem went away!

Overall, I loved this film. I agree that some of the sexual assaults where over the top, but to me this helped to establish more legitimacy with the story and the situation. This very thing IS HAPPENING in Burma today, and Stallone invoking those story elements only portrays the military in an accurate, if difficult to watch, light.

The audio on this disc is definitely the stuff of demo material. The .50 cal "up close in the cab" scene had me "checking to see if I had got any on me". ;)

Ralph Potts
06-26-08, 04:21 PM
Greetings,

I didn't notice any audio droputs using my Panasonic BD30 bitstreaming the DTS-HD MA audio to my Denon.

I also have the Samsung 1400 but its in the living room system.


Regards,

deckerm
06-26-08, 04:53 PM
I also didnt notice the drop outs and thought the movie much better then the critics reviewed thought it was. This went to "must have" on my wish list.

MEC2
06-26-08, 05:21 PM
Agreed, this is quite entertaining, though not for the squeamish. Might be my favorite of the four.

And I thought the ending was perfect as it drew the movies full circle - First Blood begins with Rambo walking the road with his GI jacket and duffle, and Rambo ends with him walking the road with his GI jacket and duffle, and finally coming home.

How this got a lower score than Meet the friggin' Spartans, I'll never know, because the whole "score within the genre" thing should apply here as well.

MEC2

Ralph Potts
06-26-08, 05:40 PM
Greetings,

Agreed, this is quite entertaining, though not for the squeamish. Might be my favorite of the four.

And I thought the ending was perfect as it drew the movies full circle - First Blood begins with Rambo walking the road with his GI jacket and duffle, and Rambo ends with him walking the road with his GI jacket and duffle, and finally coming home.

How this got a lower score than Meet the friggin' Spartans, I'll never know, because the whole "score within the genre" thing should apply here as well.

MEC2

MEC2, I am glad that you liked the ending and thought it was perfect. I didn't mind the ending but thought that it was a little corny.

Regarding your comments about this and Meet the Spartans I believe that you have answered your own question.

I liked this movie but when compared to other action films it falls into the middle of the pack. That is not a bad thing but is simply my opinion. You have seen the film and have your own. How about we let it go at that?

Cheers,

JBLsound4645
06-26-08, 06:05 PM
Nice review Ralph :)

I miss seeing Jerry Goldsmith’s screen credit. I didn’t like the score on the film however sound effects and ADR dialogue mix sounded cool, but isn’t the centre so common these days! More dialogue panning I say.

The onscreen violence was “over the top” I mean the BBFC cut and hack away at other films on this type of level Predator gets cut then realised with BS story that makes you what to punch someone for being cheeky. Then Commando gets hacked and I’m sure you know what scene I’m talking about.

How in the world this managed to get an 18 certification it should have gotten something in-between, slightly above 18R which is porn, because it looked like Stallone was making a snuff movie. LOL

Oh, there is just one other thing thou. Who was keeping count on the body count because I lost count?

LuncHwagon
06-26-08, 06:31 PM
I've been lurking in Ralphs reviews for a bit now, and as far as I can tell, there isnt too many bluray movies that Ralph isnt going to like. There are some cool scenes, but some of the explosions looked like stock footage (which to be fair was a photography thing not a bluray tech deficiency as Ralph mentioned), and I'm not refering to flashbacks. If you've enjoyed the Rambo series, its worth a watch, but think rental, not purchase.

EaglePC
06-26-08, 10:28 PM
score 93 wow this must be a good movie hope so getting it from ebay for 14.00 sealed new ...

toxic_avenger
06-26-08, 11:09 PM
This movie ruled. I know how people think the violence is too over the top but remember it's alot worse in Burma in real life. If you love 80's action movies this is a must have. I think it's the best Rambo and I've watched all of them tons of times.

lgans316
06-26-08, 11:23 PM
Rambo is a must own movie for anyone who calls themselves ACTION FANS.

bfd
06-26-08, 11:30 PM
Just bought it and watched it. Much better than I expected. The AQ is superb. No dropouts here. Full 7.1 goodness.

EaglePC
06-26-08, 11:57 PM
i just started buying new sealed bluray dvds from ebay i am a bluraylic...
i know i am off topic here .i hope bluray will stay for 10 years not like those big laserdisc that was so hot and died after 2 years

charles0424
06-27-08, 12:22 AM
It amazes me how in one room the audio sounds one way but in another (like mine) it can sound completely different. Don't get me wrong I thought the audio was awesome on my set-up (5.1) BUT I felt the rears had very little action going on. I wasn't "sonically" involved. I got the occasional bleeds to my rears but overall I felt it was a real front heavy movie.

It can't be my set-up because very next movie I threw in was Transformers and ALL my speakers came alive!

Cliff Stephenson
06-27-08, 05:46 AM
i just started buying new sealed bluray dvds from ebay i am a bluraylic...
i know i am off topic here .i hope bluray will stay for 10 years not like those big laserdisc that was so hot and died after 2 years

Do you mean 2(0) years? Because Laserdisc was around a looooong time and had thousands of titles, some that have yet to even make their way to standard DVD. Blu-ray should be so lucky.

ThePrisoner
06-27-08, 06:12 AM
No droputs here with my BD30 bitstreamed to 3808CI set-up. This is one great soundtrack and I must admit, it may be my favorite Rambo film.

haste
06-27-08, 06:56 AM
Oh, there is just one other thing thou. Who was keeping count on the body count because I lost count?

here is a chart for all 4 movies:

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/rambo-death-chart.jpg

:D


I also thought the violence was a little over the top, but man...best action sequences i've seen yet audio-wise. i love it when rambo tells the other guy to "fire off a shot" with his .50 cal. shakes the house! soooo deep.

JBLsound4645
06-27-08, 07:49 AM
here is a chart for all 4 movies:

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/rambo-death-chart.jpg

:D


I also thought the violence was a little over the top, but man...best action sequences i've seen yet audio-wise. i love it when rambo tells the other guy to "fire off a shot" with his .50 cal. shakes the house! soooo deep.

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/rambo-death-chart.jpg

LOL now that’s what I’m talking about, oh dear.:eek::D I think we need a back-story to how Rambo disposed of the enemy when on tour of duty in Vietnam?;)

deedubbadoo
06-27-08, 02:52 PM
LOL now that’s what I’m talking about, oh dear.:eek::D I think we need a back-story to how Rambo disposed of the enemy when on tour of duty in Vietnam?;)

You will get your wish, he is already in talks to do another Rambo. I personally saw this movie 4-5 times in the theater about 10 times total. Since I don't have a theater at the house, I felt it was my duty to see this the way Stallone intended and boy did he do it right! It definitely isn't for the squeamish, that was intended to show what is really going on in Burma. As far as action movies go, this one moved right up to the top of my list.

JBLsound4645
06-28-08, 07:37 AM
You will get your wish, he is already in talks to do another Rambo.


I’ll have to keep a close eye on, the imdb site for future developments, cheers.;)

Edit: saw this on Wikipedia. Rambo V upcoming in 2009. The films focus on a troubled Vietnam War veteran and Green Beret, John James Rambo, who is skilled in many aspects of survival, weaponry, hand-to-hand combat and guerrilla warfare.

Arecsa
06-28-08, 09:54 AM
i love it when rambo tells the other guy to "fire off a shot" with his .50 cal. shakes the house! soooo deep.

I love that part aswell, it's only lasts about 2 seconds but it sounds absolutely spectacular.

Good review Ralph. I love Rambo, the movie is brutal, violent and action packed. The disc itself is excellent, Lionsgate did a great job with it.

laugsbach
06-28-08, 03:51 PM
It amazes me how in one room the audio sounds one way but in another (like mine) it can sound completely different. Don't get me wrong I thought the audio was awesome on my set-up (5.1) BUT I felt the rears had very little action going on. I wasn't "sonically" involved. I got the occasional bleeds to my rears but overall I felt it was a real front heavy movie.

It can't be my set-up because very next movie I threw in was Transformers and ALL my speakers came alive!

Charles0424, you took the words right out of my mouth.:D

I have 7.2 system and this movie just didn't sound like a reference audio track should sound. IMHO, The Orphanage, Master & Commander and my personal favorite demo movie, Cloverfield all sounded like a reference audio track should sound in my room.

Larry

PSWii60
06-28-08, 09:50 PM
I thought Rambo was a pretty decent movie. Interesting look into Burma and it's rule under the Military Junta. A little shallow but it's what I expect from a Rambo movie.

I have to say this is one of the most impressive Blu-Rays dics I have seen in terms of video quality. In my book, it's a definite reference disc. An absolutely gorgeous transfer!

stephan.klose
06-29-08, 11:14 AM
I really liked it. A Rambo with a story. Though, not too much of it.

And the technical aspects of the disc: Might be the best looking and sounding disc that's been released on Blu so far.

MORGAND
07-02-08, 08:52 AM
Hi guys,

You should try the French DD track, just to see, you might be surprised... :rolleyes:

Mr. Hanky
07-04-08, 10:56 PM
I have to say this movie is a breath of fresh air in the action movie genre, where the norm has been pg-13'd and vanillafied for optimal political correctness. This movie delivers with full intent to its genre and full intent to the Rambo namesake. It's not catering to "focus group expectations" or just delivering "the next sequel". It's doing it entirely for the "art" (as odd as that may sound for a "Rambo movie").

If ransacking a village is shocking to you, it's not because the movie went overboard. It's because you are alive and can still empathize with the horror. If the scenes of rape are shocking, it's not because the movie went too far. It's because you truly acknowledge the brutality of the act. As far as the depictions of rape go in this movie, I don't feel they were overly in your face, either. It's just quick shots to let you know it was present, rather than graphically depicting the actual act (which has certainly happened in some movies long past).

If any of the violent content seems gratuitous just because it is "Rambo", I suggest reconsideration. It is depicted because things are that messed up in Burma (and worse). If it shocks you, that is a GOOD thing. That means the movie has sufficiently conveyed to the viewer how serious an issue this is.

Mr. Hanky
07-04-08, 11:49 PM
Also I wanted to mention that this movie shares a kindred spirit with Tears of the Sun. They both take you to a different place that operates in a manner that you utterly could not imagine how brutal and horrible can still exist in the "modern world". It doesn't candy-coat it or sterilize out the negative. It presents it to you at face value to deal and come to grips with (but fortunately it does not leave you "empty-handed" in that it supplies an instant hero to perform the duties that you wish you could do if put in such a situation). It reminds you how absolutely blessed you are not have been born into a locale like that. It reminds you that there IS true evil out there. It's not about a lack of "talking things out" or diplomacy or politics. It is just sheer evil whose only cure is to remove it from this world like cancer is surgically removed from a living body. Movies like this are "important" in a sense that they remind you that "civilized society" is not a given once you wander past the comfy borders of your native land.

crobert0247
07-06-08, 07:00 PM
I didn't see Rambo in theatres and regret it. I have had the BD for just over 2 weeks and I have watched it 7 times! Count it, 7 TIMES! :o This is such a great movie IMO. I agree with one of the posters above that it rivals First Blood I and II as the best! The boxset is great too! I'm just really happy with my purchase! For anyone on the fence about getting it, get it. You won't regret it! Best blind buy I've had ever. :D

RDarrylR
07-06-08, 08:33 PM
I'm working my way through the 1-3 boxset and I'm very impressed. I'm just waiting for a good sale on Rambo and it's mine.

crobert0247
07-06-08, 09:09 PM
I'm working my way through the 1-3 boxset and I'm very impressed. I'm just waiting for a good sale on Rambo and it's mine.

Thats exactly what I did. I ordered it through Tower for $19.99 and also got Blade Runner for $11.99. :D Rambo is so worth it at any price really. I'd be comfortable buying it for no more than $25.00. It has since gone down to 16.99 at tower although the sales prices don't last too long before their back up again. :(

lgans316
07-11-08, 04:02 AM
http://www.japantoday.com/category/entertainment-arts/view/rambo-takes-aim-at-myanmar-junta

During his brief visit to Japan, Stallone presented his bow for auction to raise funds for charity, had his palm print placed with other celebrities at Hibiya Chanter and also took a fancy to a massive poster for the movie, showing him blasting away with a huge machine gun. “I wanna take this poster home and show it to any guy thinking of dating my daughter,” he said.;):D

crobert0247
07-11-08, 03:30 PM
Nice read. :)

“Two musicians played pirates and they were really nice people. It was really hard for me to shoot guitar players.” :D

gonzalc3
07-17-08, 09:43 AM
The audio and video were nice.. Specially those explosions, but the plot is a complete let down... I guess that this one is the worst in the series... For me the second one is the best, follow closely by the first one....

MEC2
07-18-08, 03:10 PM
I'm working my way through the 1-3 boxset and I'm very impressed. I'm just waiting for a good sale on Rambo and it's mine.

Watched them all in order with the kids, they'd never seen Rambo movies before. We didn't have the last film yet, safe to say after 1-3 they insisted I get it. They loved the last one, as did I.

MEC2
P.S. Stallone seems to inject a little spirituality into his films of late - I know, I know, there are 634098509438 people killed in Rambo, but watching this movie and Rocky Balboa, I noted a hint of Christian expression in each one that isn't in the usual puritanical kid-molesting-priest Hollywood fashion. Has Stallone ever commented on the presence of these snippets of religion in his films?

eddy_winds
07-18-08, 04:00 PM
Rambo is a must own movie for anyone who calls themselves ACTION FANS.
+1

iDarren
07-19-08, 04:50 AM
Watched them all in order with the kids, they'd never seen Rambo movies before. We didn't have the last film yet, safe to say after 1-3 they insisted I get it. They loved the last one, as did I.

MEC2
P.S. Stallone seems to inject a little spirituality into his films of late - I know, I know, there are 634098509438 people killed in Rambo, but watching this movie and Rocky Balboa, I noted a hint of Christian expression in each one that isn't in the usual puritanical kid-molesting-priest Hollywood fashion. Has Stallone ever commented on the presence of these snippets of religion in his films?

IMO Rambo (#4) may be the best in the series, or at least 2nd best after First Blood. However IMO you shouldn't let young kids watch it. I think in the case of this film, the mature age rating is warranted.

Yes I have observed Stallone's references to Christian spirituality too.

1brokebrother
07-20-08, 12:22 PM
the CD sound track is worth the purchase by itself..

tdamocles
07-21-08, 10:59 PM
For pure action and graphic violence I loved the movie... The movie could have been longer....

I'm trying to diagnose a problem with my display......Has anyone noticed a blue-ish tint as skin tones in some of the dark boat scenes?

iDarren
07-24-08, 04:45 AM
I'm trying to diagnose a problem with my display......Has anyone noticed a blue-ish tint as skin tones in some of the dark boat scenes?

no

TopDogger
10-21-08, 09:10 AM
This is the best of the Rambo series. Loved all of the action.

Stallone still has it, even if he is getting to be an old codger!

seggers
10-21-08, 09:22 AM
For pure action and graphic violence I loved the movie... The movie could have been longer....

I'm trying to diagnose a problem with my display......Has anyone noticed a blue-ish tint as skin tones in some of the dark boat scenes?

This is a tad old, but my first time here. If you're still seeing blueish tints and you have a Sony RP, then you may have the OB issues.

Get onto the Sony site and research your tv, or call Sony CSR.

And go find your tv's thread over in tvland....

Seggers

aydu
10-24-08, 10:17 AM
I found the violence to be more realistic that gratuitious. Using large caliber weapons at close range results in some nasty things being done to the human body.

This flick did a good job of showing that people can be very evil - even to their own countrymen. Meeting violence with violence results in some pretty messy outcomes.

Perhaps if we all realized that shooting people results in more than just a "pop" sound, there would be fewer shootings in our neighborhoods, cities, and schools.

Oh yeah, Stallone still has the chops to do this type of film - even if it takes massive amounts of human growth hormone to keep him going.

Mr. Hanky
10-24-08, 02:39 PM
It's a real sobering look at the "global community" and man as a species. If you have lived in "1st world civilization" all of your life, it can be utterly astounding about what kind of stuff (still) goes on in other corners of the planet. Man does not evolve and progress as a monolithic entity. There are places on this earth where Man is essentially still living in a dog-eat-dog/survival mode, all the while leveraging 20th century forms of technology.

What can be done for situations like this? It is no trivial question to ask, and I doubt if anyone truly has a solution, at this point.

On a related note, The Mist is another recent release, interesting movie that essentially premises how Man hangs by a thread to organized society. Given the right conditions for isolation, it is not hard at all to cause a degeneration back to medieval "burn the witch" days in otherwise "modern society" people. It's really spooky to imagine how easy that can happen, and makes you wonder (given your individualized responses to situations) where you would find yourself in such a scenario- running away from an angry mob or part of the angry mod chasing after somebody?

joebloggs13
04-04-11, 02:59 PM
Just picked up this BD for a song at Wal Mart. Great film, great soundtrack. A welcome addition to my collection.

viedit
04-13-11, 09:16 PM
Picked this up yesterday at Best Buy for $10. I saw it in theatres but never at home. This movie has an intense soundtrack. I almost jumped out of my chair when the mortar attack hit that village. Insane blast of dynamics there you just aren't expecting. Just a pure visual and aural assault...I forgot how much carnage was in this movie.

joebloggs13
06-18-11, 02:08 PM
For those who haven't picked this one up, after seeing both versions, I thought the extended version was the better of the two.

Lawrence Ng
06-22-11, 09:03 AM
I have to say this movie is a breath of fresh air in the action movie genre, where the norm has been pg-13'd and vanillafied for optimal political correctness. This movie delivers with full intent to its genre and full intent to the Rambo namesake. It's not catering to "focus group expectations" or just delivering "the next sequel". It's doing it entirely for the "art" (as odd as that may sound for a "Rambo movie").

If ransacking a village is shocking to you, it's not because the movie went overboard. It's because you are alive and can still empathize with the horror. If the scenes of rape are shocking, it's not because the movie went too far. It's because you truly acknowledge the brutality of the act. As far as the depictions of rape go in this movie, I don't feel they were overly in your face, either. It's just quick shots to let you know it was present, rather than graphically depicting the actual act (which has certainly happened in some movies long past).

If any of the violent content seems gratuitous just because it is "Rambo", I suggest reconsideration. It is depicted because things are that messed up in Burma (and worse). If it shocks you, that is a GOOD thing. That means the movie has sufficiently conveyed to the viewer how serious an issue this is.

I agree with you totally... I love this Rambo..

Lawrence Ng
06-22-11, 09:06 AM
Also I wanted to mention that this movie shares a kindred spirit with Tears of the Sun. They both take you to a different place that operates in a manner that you utterly could not imagine how brutal and horrible can still exist in the "modern world". It doesn't candy-coat it or sterilize out the negative. It presents it to you at face value to deal and come to grips with (but fortunately it does not leave you "empty-handed" in that it supplies an instant hero to perform the duties that you wish you could do if put in such a situation). It reminds you how absolutely blessed you are not have been born into a locale like that. It reminds you that there IS true evil out there. It's not about a lack of "talking things out" or diplomacy or politics. It is just sheer evil whose only cure is to remove it from this world like cancer is surgically removed from a living body. Movies like this are "important" in a sense that they remind you that "civilized society" is not a given once you wander past the comfy borders of your native land.

Oh boy.. I love tears of the sun too....
I want my movie's depiction real, not some tone down kiddified version...

That's the sole reason I go to movies.. To see things that we can't see everyday..