I purchased a Sim Pro5000 6 months ago. I read the posts on this forum late last year, and if I understood correctly, I believe most users do not use a separate video processor. The installer insisted that I use a Lumagen RadianceXD as a video processor for best picture quality. Recently I have had problems with the processor, and would like to remove it from the system. Is there a need for a separate processor? I would greatly aprreciate any owner's input.

I purchased a Sim Pro5000 6 months ago. I read the posts on this forum late last year, and if I understood correctly, I believe most users do not use a separate video processor. The installer insisted that I use a Lumagen RadianceXD as a video processor for best picture quality. Recently I have had problems with the processor, and would like to remove it from the system. Is there a need for a separate processor? I would greatly aprreciate any owner's input.

I have a Sim2 C3X 1080.

Get a Zektor HDMI switcher - works great! I use this for HD DVD and Blu Ray including 24p stuff. I had found the Radiance problematic for 24p - that was a few months ago, and I haven't tried the Radiance again for this. The Radiance's default noise reduction (I don't think they've updated the software so this can be turned off yet) also softens that picture.

But I continue to use the Radiance for DirecTV HD, D-VHS and DVD.

I use the HT5000 and I've had the Crystalio II and Radiance XD. I tested both and came to the conclusion that the HT5000's processing was just as good and the external VP's were unnecessary. I looked at new movies, old movies (including B&W), BR, Dish, and cable and could not see any improvement in the images above what the 5000 was already giving me. I no longer have a VP in the chain.

One of the 5000's selling points for me is the ability to input 6 HDMI, not to mention all of the other connectors, and this also eliminated the need for a switcher (assuming you don't mind separate cables from each device). As you know, the 5K handles 1080p24 just fine on it's own.

With that said, your installer may have put one in the chain for other reasons as well (i.e. cable management). I would ask. If the only reason is for image improvement, then test it and decide for yourself.

Jim

I have a Sim2 C3X 1080.

Get a Zektor HDMI switcher - works great! I use this for HD DVD and Blu Ray including 24p stuff. I had found the Radiance problematic for 24p - that was a few months ago, and I haven't tried the Radiance again for this. The Radiance's default noise reduction (I don't think they've updated the software so this can be turned off yet) also softens that picture.

But I continue to use the Radiance for DirecTV HD, D-VHS and DVD.


Steve -- why don't you use the Integra 9.8 as your HDMI switcher?

Steve -- why don't you use the Integra 9.8 as your HDMI switcher?

Integra 9.8 is used as a stop gap in my system only for HDMI audio, HDMI from Blu Ray and HD DVD, then multi-channel analog out from Integra to my Theta CB3 Six Shooter analog multi-channel preamp. That's how I chose to set up my system. And my Integra arrived after my Zektor and my Radiance. HA!

I suppose I could use the Integra as an HDMI switcher if I limit myself to four HDMI sources into it.

Okay, as you know, I am considering the Integra piece for my theater, so I wanted to make sure it wasn't because you thought there was something wrong with the Integra's video pass through via HDMI -- because that's what I plan to do -- pass the video through the Integra, using it only as a switcher, and then letting my C3X1080 do all of the video processing.

Are you unsatisfied with the Integra as a Home Theater pre-pro (you called it a stop-gap) or more as a music pre-amp?

I would only be using it for the theater -- music is in a different room.

I purchased a Sim Pro5000 6 months ago. I read the posts on this forum late last year, and if I understood correctly, I believe most users do not use a separate video processor. The installer insisted that I use a Lumagen RadianceXD as a video processor for best picture quality. Recently I have had problems with the processor, and would like to remove it from the system. Is there a need for a separate processor? I would greatly aprreciate any owner's input.

Jim's post nails it. The Radiance also softens the image slightly.

The majority of HT5000 users, and Sim2 users in general, dont use a VP for the reasons given.

Can the SIM2's handle CinemaScope 2.35:1 processing - to be used with an extra lens - internally?

Can the SIM2's handle CinemaScope 2.35:1 processing - to be used with an extra lens - internally?

Easily. There is a preset for 235. There are also 3 custom ratios per memory, with 6 memories per input. Thats 18 user ratios per input. The AR control is adjustable in both axes, so 1.85, 2.30 and 2.40 are easily done. Just dial it in and name a preset. Whatever number you dial vertically, using the same number horizontally restores geometry. All easily included in a macro, if needed.

Its also handy for any shite TV signals with crap at the edges.

The answer therefore is yes. They all do it and the VP is clean as a whistle.

If I ever visit Belgium again, I'll have a Rochefort 10, Westvleteren 12 is overrated IMHO.

My favourites are Duvel, La Chouffe and Barbar;-)

My favourites are Duvel, La Chouffe and Barbar;-)

All good beers. Im a total Trappist freak. My everyday beer would be Chimay Blue.

Belgium makes the best beers in the world, no question whatsoever.

IMO, no external processor is needed with the HT 5000.

Art

All good beers. Im a total Trappist freak. My everyday beer would be Chimay Blue.

Belgium makes the best beers in the world, no question whatsoever.

We also used to make the best HT projectors in the world (Barco) but those days are over now. Which brings us back on the subject of this thread:-)

Okay, as you know, I am considering the Integra piece for my theater, so I wanted to make sure it wasn't because you thought there was something wrong with the Integra's video pass through via HDMI -- because that's what I plan to do -- pass the video through the Integra, using it only as a switcher, and then letting my C3X1080 do all of the video processing.

Are you unsatisfied with the Integra as a Home Theater pre-pro (you called it a stop-gap) or more as a music pre-amp?

I would only be using it for the theater -- music is in a different room.

The Integra is a fantastic surround processor for the buck!!!! When you use the Integra's video pass through, set the video monitor to off, for the best picture quality.


The Integra sounds fantastic using HDMI 1.3 audio to do the processing on HD DVD and Blu Ray, for Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio, as well as PCM multi-channel. (Caution - I have its single-ended multi-channel outputs connected into my Theta CB3 Six Shooter multi-channel preamp, as the rest of my audio is via my CB3, and I haven't pulled the CB3 out of my system - I don't intend to, its work, and I am awaiting Theta's CB3 upgrade for HDMI audio - to compare if the Integra sounds better or worse using the Integra's balanced analog outputs direct to my Theta Enterprise monoblock amps) (I found an interesting sonic quirk the way I've set up my Integra using the Six Shooter - the Integra's volume control goes to like 16 or 18. If I set it at 8, and let the CB3 volume control work the volume, it sounds FANTASTIC! But if I set the Integra volume higher or lower it doesn't sound near as good. I don't know why, but I early experimented and determined that, I assume something to do with having a volume control on the Integra as well as a volume control on the Theta, the Integra's being digital volume control and the Theta's being analog volume control).

Although the Integra sounds good for regular Dolby Digital and DTS, the CB3 has a clear plus here, you can easily hear the difference in favor of the CB3.
Last night I had trouble with the HD DVD of Black Rain where the Dolby Digital Plus soundtrack initially wouldn't sync or sound, but the DTS soundtrack worked fine. For a bit I compared the DTS soundtrack, using CB3 to do the digital processing vs using the Integra. The CB3 sounded reasonably better,
just more natural, less contrived, more like I was there - especially the motorcycles at the start of the movie. After a bit, I fiddled a bit and got the Dolby Digital Plus track via the Integra working, and yes, it was even appreciably better sounding than the DTS via the CB3 track. (Dolby True HD and DTS Master as well as Blu Ray PCM by experience sound even better!).

THe shocking truth. For sometime now, the best sounding audio in my system was redbook CD and even better SACD and DVD-A! Using my Theta Compli
to Theta Six Shooter for SACD and DVD-A, using CB3 Extreme DACs for redbook CD. I gotta tell you. WE had 12 Az AV Club members over recently.
Our session included the HD DVDs of Roy Orbison and The Eagles. The Integra
HD DVD player bitstreamed the DTS Master tracks and - - WOW! Sounded as good as the best SACD or DVD-A I've played in my system. AMAZING!
(What was also nice is that with my prior Dwin CRT, I never liked The Eagles HD DVD picture, it was so soft - but with the Sim2 C3X 1080 the picture is naturally sharp, detailed and wonderful, a whole new experience).

By the way, I have the latest The Eagles both on DVD and HD DVD. Prior to the Integra HD DVD player and Integra 9.8 preamp/processor, my prior Toshiba HD-XA1 HD DVD player could only play the core DTS track. I not only found that it then sounded better via the CB3 than the Integra, but also
that it sounded even much better playing the DVD on the Compli to the CB3
(using Xtreme DACs) than playing the HD DVD on the Toshiba (both using digital out to the CB3 for that test).

Does this give you enough information? The Integra is a fantastic piece for the money for home theater, but it has its pluses and limitations. I could be happy forever using the Integra as I use it in my system in combo with my Theta gear. But I imagine I will be even more Xtremely happy someday when Theta upgrades my CB3 for HDMI 1.3 audio!!!

We also used to make the best HT projectors in the world (Barco) but those days are over now. Which brings us back on the subject of this thread:-)

Those days have returned, just ask Peter:rolleyes:.

Looks like an unmodded 1200 will, at least in the US, be in the same pricerange as the Sim2 5000.

Does this give you enough information?

Absolutely -- thanks! <Best Spinal Tap> "Ours goes to 8."

Thanks for all the input. I'll remove the Lumagen. I have 4 video sources. The Denon 2500 which I use 75% of the time, the Arcam DV137 for Pal used (20%), and aToshiba HD DVD and cable box (5%). Should I run individual HDMI to the PJ, or use a switcher for some or all the sources? Will there be any degradation? The existing HDMI cable is 9 meters long. I previously fired the installer. Any recomendation for one in Los Angeles?
PS
Although happily living in LA, I am Belgian and I miss the beer AND the food.
Thanks again.

Thanks for all the input. I'll remove the Lumagen. I have 4 video sources. The Denon 2500 which I use 75% of the time, the Arcam DV137 for Pal used (20%), and aToshiba HD DVD and cable box (5%). Should I run individual HDMI to the PJ, or use a switcher for some or all the sources? Will there be any degradation? The existing HDMI cable is 9 meters long. I previously fired the installer. Any recomendation for one in Los Angeles?
PS
Although happily living in LA, I am Belgian and I miss the beer AND the food.
Thanks again.

Running a single cable via a switcher is fine...If its a good unit like a Zektor. Running individual cables allows per input calibration.

What is it with Belgians popping up. Do we have the Eddy Merckx fan club out for a holiday ride?:D

PS the beer is very easy to get in N.America

There ARE 10 million of us! The only beer I found here is Stella Artois. I guess "seek and thou shall find". If I remember correctly, the calibration was done by the installer through the Lumagen (pixel by pixel) at a cost of more than $1,500, which I thought was rather expensive. I could , when I find someone competent, run one line for the Denon, my main source, and the others through the switcher. Would that require only two calibaration?

Absolutely -- thanks! <Best Spinal Tap> "Ours goes to 8."

I use an Arcam AVR350 receiver in an apartment. Its still widely regarded as the best sounding AVR available. Last year I borrowed an Onkyo 905 to allow me full use of the HD codecs via HDMI.

There was no comparison. The Onkyo sounded terrible compared to the Arcam. It labored with heavy bass, despite its separate toroidials. It also sounded harsh and rather nasty. What a let down.

I then connected the Onkyo's analog outs to the Arcam's inputs. What a total transformation. The Onkyo was the pre/pro and the Arcam was the power amp. The sound was fantastic. Considering the price involved it was really great. It seems they spent all the money on the processing and had nothing left for the amp stage.

The Integra 9.8 is, I believe, basically a 905 optimized as a pre/pro. I would expect it to perform very well indeed.

I use an Arcam AVR350 receiver in an apartment. Its still widely regarded as the best sounding AVR available. Last year I borrowed an Onkyo 905 to allow me full use of the HD codecs via HDMI.

There was no comparison. The Onkyo sounded terrible compared to the Arcam. It labored with heavy bass, despite its separate toroidals. It also sounded harsh and rather nasty. What a let down.

I then connected the Onkyo's analog outs to the Arcam's inputs. What a total transformation. The Onkyo was the pre/pro and the Arcam was the power amp. The sound was fantastic. Considering the price involved it was really great. It seems they spent all the money on the processing and had nothing left for the amp stage.

The Integra 9.8 is, I believe, basically a 905 optimized as a pre/pro. I would expect it to perform very well indeed.

INTERESTING INDEED!


You use the Onkyo receiver for HDMI audio just like I use the Integra preamp/processor for HDMI audio. Whereas you then use multi-channel analog out to your Arcam receiver, I then use multi-channel out to my Theta CB3 Six Shooter. And we both find much better sonics this way!

Steve -- Are you passing the multi-channel audio through your six-shooter and using the CB3's volume control?

Steve -- Are you passing the multi-channel audio through your six-shooter and using the CB3's volume control?

As I noted in the prior page in this thread:

I found an interesting sonic quirk the way I've set up my Integra using the Six Shooter - the Integra's volume control goes to like 16 or 18. If I set it at 8, and let the CB3 volume control work the volume, it sounds FANTASTIC! But if I set the Integra volume higher or lower it doesn't sound near as good. I don't know why, but I early experimented and determined that, I assume something to do with having a volume control on the Integra as well as a volume control on the Theta, the Integra's being digital volume control and the Theta's being analog volume control.

INTERESTING INDEED!


You use the Onkyo receiver for HDMI audio just like I use the Integra preamp/processor for HDMI audio. Whereas you then use multi-channel analog out to your Arcam receiver, I then use multi-channel out to my Theta CB3 Six Shooter. And we both find much better sonics this way!

Thats it.

On HD DVD and BD the sound is better via HDMI to the 905 and then the Arcam, than from the players analogs to the Arcam. Thats probably down to the analog stages in the players not being as good as the 905.

For me the bottom line is that the Onkyo is not good enough as a receiver due to the amp stage, but makes a great sounding pre/pro.

This is a temporary arrangement, like your own. This is an apartment system so a good receiver works best for me there.New receivers willl debut at CEDIA that will clean this up for me.

"The Integra 9.8 is, I believe, basically a 905 optimized as a pre/pro. I would expect it to perform very well indeed."

Cool. If I go with the Integra, which is the way I am currently leaning, the amplification will come from a Proceed HPA3 for the front L, C, & R and a Proceed Amp5 for the side and rear surrounds. I have had these amps in a multi-channel system before paired with an Anthem AVM20 one time and a Proceed AVP2+6 another -- I am very confident in these amps for multi-channel Home Theater.

As I noted in the prior page in this thread:

I found an interesting sonic quirk the way I've set up my Integra using the Six Shooter - the Integra's volume control goes to like 16 or 18. If I set it at 8, and let the CB3 volume control work the volume, it sounds FANTASTIC! But if I set the Integra volume higher or lower it doesn't sound near as good. I don't know why, but I early experimented and determined that, I assume something to do with having a volume control on the Integra as well as a volume control on the Theta, the Integra's being digital volume control and the Theta's being analog volume control.


I'm just trying to figure out what the Six Shooter adds and why, whether your review of the Integra is based on the sound of the Integra or whether the Theta is adding something. Usually, I would think that adding another pre-amp in the chain poses the danger of degrading the signal, so I am conditioned to think that what you like about the six-shooter is that it must be transparent, but it seems you are saying the opposite, that the Theta adds something and improves the sound. I know you've explained it to me a few times and yet I am still not clear -- I don't mean to frustrate you. I'm probably just not getting it. Maybe another cup of coffee will help. If that doesn't work, maybe a two by four to my head.

I'm just trying to figure out what the Six Shooter adds and why, whether your review of the Integra is based on the sound of the Integra or whether the Theta is adding something. Usually, I would think that adding another pre-amp in the chain poses the danger of degrading the signal, so I am conditioned to think that what you like about the six-shooter is that it must be transparent, but it seems you are saying the opposite, that the Theta adds something and improves the sound. I know you've explained it to me a few times and yet I am still not clear -- I don't mean to frustrate you. I'm probably just not getting it. Maybe another cup of coffee will help. If that doesn't work, maybe a two by four to my head.


YOU FRUSTRATE ME!@@@

I Don't drink coffee.

You can try the two by four to the head. But it won't help. HA!


I use my CB3 for all audio except HD DVD and Blu Ray high resolution audio formats. My CB3 and Six Shooter that is! I use the Six Shooter specifically for multi-channel DVD-A and SACD from my Theta Compli. So the Six Shooter is integral to my needs and stays. If I was to dump the Six Shooter, I would also have to dump the CB3, and get something new high end (why?) or simply use the Integra 9.8 for all of this stuff. But the 9.8 isn't near as good as my CB3 and Six Shooter on everything other than high resolution audio formats for HD DVD and Blu Ray.

In fact, I just demod my Oppo 980H using HDMI to the Integra, for multi-channel via HDMI SACD and DVD-A. Not bad, but somewhat flat and lifeless compared to using my Theta Compli to Six Shooter. (Now if I could do HDMI SACD and DVD-A to the CB3, which used its Extreme DACS to process, I bet that would outdo the Compli analog multi-channel to Six Shooter.)

I haven't tried just using the Integra direct to my amps - because the Integra is only a stop gap in my system, to complement my CB3 and Six Shooter - until Theta has the HDMI audio upgrade ready!

I theorize that my CB3, which allows me to use the analog volume control instead of using its optional digital one, sounds better than a lot of other gear due to its analog volume control for one. And that using the CB analog volume control with the Six Shooter for whatever reason just sounds fantastic in my system for HDMI audio from HD DVD and Blu Ray and I leave the Integra volume at 8 (mid-point).

BEYOND THAT go hit yourself in the head repeatedly and if you don't get it then you don't believe in G-d or the Big Bang theory or alternate or parallel universes. There is one out there where these questions have stopped!! HA!

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Art

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Art

Which person is Art:)?

Which person is Art:)?

Which person is Mark?:D

he would be the one at work till 6am bummer!!

I Don't drink coffee.

The extra cup of coffee was meant for me to try to jump start the old neurons.

BEYOND THAT go hit yourself in the head repeatedly and if you don't get it then you don't believe in G-d or the Big Bang theory or alternate or parallel universes. There is one out there where these questions have stopped!! HA!

1) I do believe in G & D -- two of my favorite letters in the alphabet.

2) The Big Bang is just a theory, but I do believe it is a theory -- does that count?

3) Alternate or parallel, make up your mind!

Unfortunately, I live in this universe, so....uh.....tell me again....what EXACTLY does that Six Shooter Do? Can you climb in there with a flashlight and see if you can get the lay of the land? The low down? The straight poop? I'm not giving up until I get answers, mister!!!

Do parallel universes extend all the way to infinity and never touch?

Somewhere, there's a perpendicular universe. Don't ask me how. I just know it.

A Six Shooter is what I'm gonna use on you if you don't shut up!@@@:D
Where did you say you live?

Seriously, my Theta CB3 has a Six Shooter (SS) multi-channel analog preamp, which is designed to work only with the Theta CB3 surround processor. The SS has two sets of 5.1 inputs for sources - the first set is single-ended or balanced, the second set is single-ended. And the SS has a third set of single-ended or balanced 5.1 inputs which connect to the speaker outputs of the CB3, AND a set of 5.1 outputs single-ended or balanced which connect to the speakers.

Is that enough parallel information for you?

If you want more info re the Theta CB3 and SS, I suggest you look up other posts at this forum or the archives or info from Theta's website.

Somewhere, there's a perpendicular universe. Don't ask me how. I just know it.

There are also flat universes. Where all women are created equal!!!@@@
And all senses of humor are - non-existent!

Talking about shadow puppets compared to the blacks in the picture. Full body for big boy screens comparred to hands only for little guy screens..

Is that enough parallel information for you?

I just have one more question; How come it's called a 6 shooter and not a 5.1 shooter?

I just have one more question; How come it's called a 6 shooter and not a 5.1 shooter?


Because if you ask one more question I will hit you over the head with it and its effect will be as deadly as if you were shot by a Six Shooter!!@@:mad::D

Because if you ask one more question I will hit you over the head with it and its effect will be as deadly as if you were shot by a Six Shooter!!@@:mad::D

LOL.

Rsbeck is hard headed as one would ever run across. If one bounced off his head, I doubt he would even feel it. :) Though Steve B. could challenge him in the hard headed department. tell him the right answer and hibernate, six threads later he will finally agree with you. believe me, I know, and steve knows too with respect to corect answers I have given him, as rare as they might be. :)

If one bounced off his head, I doubt he would even feel it. :)

Oh, I'm positive I would feel it, so don't be giving him any ideas!

Restraining order bro! Restraining order.

RSBeck, any question you have, ask Mark Haflich, accept his answer and follow it and move on to the next question - Mark has been right 100% with me!

And then I won't have to use my Six Shooter as a SLAMMER!

You give the words OVERLY ANAL a whole new meaning!

And then I won't have to use my Six Shooter as a SLAMMER!

Hey -- if using the six-shooter as a pass through can improve your signal, maybe you *should* touch me with that thing.

BUT, BE GENTLE!!!

give the words OVERLY ANAL a whole new meaning!

Be glad to.

For now on, "overly anal" will mean.........positively sagacious.

You gotta admit, it's new.

And when I say "six shooter" I am referring to your 5.1 shooter.

Just so we're clear.

Be glad to.

For now on, "overly anal" will mean.........positively sagacious.

You gotta admit, it's new.

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–adjective 1. having or showing acute mental discernment and keen practical sense; shrewd: a sagacious lawyer.
2. Obsolete. keen of scent.


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Sagacious -

For me, a practical person with common sense.

However, for you, the above definition most appropriate is the second one "obsolete". HA!!!!

However, for you, the above definition most appropriate is the second one "obsolete". HA!!!!

<clearing throat> Uh.....Steve. That was *not* one of the definitions.

They're saying the definition, "keen of scent" is obsolete.

Which is darn lucky, if you think about it.

You know, I shouldn't have to explain this kind of stuff!!!

Hey -- if using the six-shooter as a pass through can improve your signal, maybe you *should* touch me with that thing.

BUT, BE GENTLE!!!

"touch me" "BUT, BE GENTLE.

That's how my wife gets to talk to me, not you.

That is "overly anal" solicitation if I ever heard it.

STOP IT!:D:eek::confused::mad: :)

WHERE ARE THE FORUM POLICE????? - - - WHEN WE NEED THEM!

(Oh - here comes Coldmachine and Mark Haflich!)

That's how my wife gets to talk to me, not you.

That's not true. She gets to talk to me that way, too.






















JUST JOSHIN' -- HEY -- PUT THAT PRE-AMP DOWN, BIG FELLA!!!

WHERE ARE THE FORUM POLICE????? - - - WHEN WE NEED THEM!

Probably breaking up a fight over on one of the cable or power cord threads.

Probably breaking up a fight over on one of the cable or power cord threads.


I know for a fact they are watching the HD DVD of "Girls Gone Wild"!!!

'S'where we should be.



Just for research, of course.

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Art, how many hours do you have on the 5K? I'm curious how it's been holding up beyond 500 hours.

Jim

Long story. I had one of the first projectors and it wouldn't accept the color management software. SIM replaced it so I only got to a little over three hundred hours. I'm about there on the second projector.

I have 19 fL at 14' wide on the Stewart 130 at 285 hours. I will likely just put in another lamp fairly soon. I've been using an HT 5000 for just about a year now.

Art

Thanks Art. Is that 19 in the high mode (300)? If so, are you using it for both AR's?

Jim

Thanks Art. Is that 19 in the high mode (300)? If so, are you using it for both AR's?

Jim


Yea ,at first I used low for 1.33:1 and 1.78:1 then high for 2.37:1. Lately I've just been leaving it on high. This would likely account for what seems to be a little faster rate of diminishing light output from the lamp.

Art

Thanks Art.

I'm just trying to figure out what the Six Shooter adds and why, whether your review of the Integra is based on the sound of the Integra or whether the Theta is adding something.

Adding another stage into a set-up never improves the sound unless you are intentionally trying to add or like some sort of coloration.

Adding another stage into a set-up never improves the sound unless you are intentionally trying to add or like some sort of coloration.
That is typical "audiophile speak" that is simply untrue. Is an active preamp "adding coloration"? Room correction is also a "another stage", and I doubt that people who are employing it are doing so because they "like or want to add some sort of coloration". Even those ghastly devices name equalizers that many audiophiles hate and fear can in fact result in less coloration.

That is not to say one should add extra stages unless necessary, nor that such devices cannot be poorly designer or poorly set up, in which case coloration may be the end result, but that is true with any device.

Art maybe you could upgrade to one of these (http://tv.avforums.com/index.php?videoid=25)? With the dual lamp mode and calibration features it sounds like they may have aimed right for your wallet?

Art maybe you could upgrade to one of these (http://tv.avforums.com/index.php?videoid=25)? With the dual lamp mode and calibration features it sounds like they may have aimed right for your wallet?

I cant believe it took so long to actually bring the dual lamp to market. Its been in the offing for 2 years.

The calibration software is just the standard CMS thats been available for a while on all "Grand Cinema" PJs.

I cant believe it took so long to actually bring the dual lamp to market. Its been in the offing for 2 years.

The calibration software is just the standard CMS thats been available for a while on all "Grand Cinema" PJs.

My understanding is the HB has lower on /off than the standard HT 5000 I have.

For a 14' wide screen I get 20fL which is enough light.

art

My understanding is the HB has lower on /off than the standard HT 5000 I have.

For a 14' wide screen I get 20fL which is enough light.

art

Are you sure about the HB?

I know the HT5000pro has lower CR (3000 max) and much higher lumens.

I thought the dual lamp was supposed to keep the same CR as the standard. If it does, and with some future additions, that certainly makes it capable of rattling some cages:)

Are you sure about the HB?

I know the HT5000pro has lower CR (3000 max) and much higher lumens.

No I'm not. I guess if they use the same iris they should be similar so I'm probably just mixed up there.



Art

No I'm not. I guess if they use the same iris they should be similar so I'm probably just mixed up there.



Art

I thought the dual lamp was supposed to keep the same CR as the standard. Im not 100% sure, but thats what I was led to believe a while back.


If it does, and with some future "enhancements", that certainly makes it capable of seriously rattling some cages:

I also thought the HB model uses the DC4 chips. So I figured the on off would be signifcantly better. I guess it depends on if you go with the single lamp mode or dual.

I thought the dual lamp was supposed to keep the same CR as the standard. Im not 100% sure, but thats what I was led to believe a while back.


If it does, and with some future "enhancements", that certainly makes it capable of seriously rattling some cages:

Yes, it sounds very cool. Even if 20 fL is enough who wouldn't want to loaf at 35 say.:D

Art

I also thought the HB model uses the DC4 chips. So I figured the on off would be signifcantly better. I guess it depends on if you go with the single lamp mode or dual.


It does have the DC4, but that alone doesn't make the on/off "significantly" better. In testing, depending on the tweaking involved, the on/off was "nearly the same" as the HT5K, and on full bright was actually lower (according to a Sim2 tech). Frankly, with that much light output, I'd be satisfied with 6K o/o.

Jim

Frankly, with that much light output, I'd be satisfied with 6K o/o.

Jim...Unless I've missed one somewhere, theres not another machine out there with that light that does 6k.

Im guessing here but Im assuming you wont get fully double the lumens. Would close to 3000 be a fair guess? Any idea?

Thats around 36fl on a 1.3gain 16ft screen. 33fl if AT screen is used. Thats more than enough to dim down to 24fl and increase the power as time goes bye to hold that number. Sounds good.

Where is that M80?

Jim...Unless I've missed one somewhere, theres not another machine out there with that light that does 6k.



I believe you are right even Peter's modded Barco's aren't there.

Art

One has actually slipped past us.

Christie has a new model. Dual lamp and dynamic iris with one iris in the lens. It retails for $50k and has 10,000:1 contrast.
They are normally very conservative with their specs. Its a rather small machine at 1080p rez with full DCI color and tables. It has some additional features the home theater projectors do not have.It was shown at Infocomm.

No further info but will get some soon and post.

CM there's a seperate thread on these machines, so they haven't been overlooked. Wolfgang mentioned he's thinking of getting the HD10KM (10300 center, 9300 edge lumens) for plain ol' 2D use, if his review turns out as good as he expects. As these also have the ILS programmable zoom lenses, they should work well for the wider than widescreen folks here. The yellow filter is motorized so you don't have to loose light-output to enhanced color if you don't want to.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1040749

The release wasn't copied over to this thread so look for that in the 185 section's infocomm 2008 topic.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14109163#post14109163

CM there's a seperate thread on these machines, so they haven't been overlooked. Wolfgang mentioned he's thinking of getting the HD10KM (10300 center, 9300 edge lumens) for plain ol' 2D use, if his review turns out as good as he expects. As these also have the ILS programmable zoom lenses, they should work well for the wider than widescreen folks here. The yellow filter is motorized so you don't have to loose light-output to enhanced color if you don't want to.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1040749

The release wasn't copied over to this thread so look for that in the 185 section's infocomm 2008 topic.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14109163#post14109163

Thanks for those links. I had totally missed them.

Sounds like 2750 lumens at D6800. Ht 5000 has 1780 at D6500.Sounds like a winner for a 16' wide screen or so.

Art

Sounds like 2750 lumens at D6800. Ht 5000 has 1780 at D6500.Sounds like a winner for a 16' wide screen or so.

Art

Thanks for the confirmation.


Sounds like my nearly 3000 guess wasnt too far off.;)


Thats perfect for 16ft. It would give 30fL on a 16ft AT Vistascope. Dim it a bit, and your set at over 20fL for a long time.