View Full Version : Aura Bass Shakers, need help fast please!


Tyrindor
07-09-08, 11:50 AM
Alright I'm receiving 2x Aura Bass Shakers (50w RMS/100W max - for a total of 100W RMS/200W max). They are rated at 4OHMs each.

I have no amplifier for them, and I was just going to connect them directly to the back of my SVS 20-39 PCi sub.

I heard that this could overload my receiver and cause it to overheat very fast... I have a Onkyo 805 7.1 receiver. Which has rating of 130W/7 channels.

Is this going to be a problem? If this is a problem and going to cause damage, can someone link my a cheap amp that will allow me to use these.

JBLsound4645
07-09-08, 12:15 PM
Alright I'm receiving 2x Aura Bass Shakers (50w RMS/100W max - for a total of 100W RMS/200W max). They are rated at 4OHMs each.

I have no amplifier for them, and I was just going to connect them directly to the back of my SVS 20-39 PCi sub.

I heard that this could overload my receiver and cause it to overheat very fast... I have a Onkyo 805 7.1 receiver. Which has rating of 130W/7 channels.

Is this going to be a problem? If this is a problem and going to cause damage, can someone link my a cheap amp that will allow me to use these.

That idea is like bloody Greek tragedy!:eek::(

The output from the sub bass active, I thought it only worked if you put an input to it, like two loudspeakers and the low-pass filter would cross-off lows at given frequency response.

Mate, do it right don’t rush because there have been so many on this site that have damaged there “shakers”. Save up and buy an amplifier with hearty output don’t rush because that’s where you start to make mistakes.

Tyrindor
07-09-08, 12:22 PM
I have no idea what amplifier to get, any suggestions?

JBLsound4645
07-09-08, 12:31 PM
I have no idea what amplifier to get, and i'm hurting for money right now.

So this idea would likely damage something?

Get at least £ $ 200 to £ $ 300 pounds or dollars not sure where you are in the world? Once you’ve got that amount look around on “Google Product” search engine for a professional amplifier one that has good stable power output and currant.

Behringer is one affordable make that might be within you’re budget requirements or a few low price range QSC professional amplifiers.

Save up first remember what Apollo 11 commander (Neil Armstrong) said! “That’s one small step for man. One giant leap for mankind” well you’re going to have to take small steps.

I wouldn’t mind some shakers for myself but, I’m more strapped for cash than you, and if I had the shakers and no amplifier then I’ll save up for a few more weeks then buy an amplifier from one of many PA studio suppliers here in the UK, for low, low, low price.

Tyrindor
07-09-08, 12:47 PM
I'm stressing out now since I already spent $80 on 2 bass shakers, I wont have the money to buy a amp, or the wire required to do this.

I would need another 25FT subwoofer cable, as well as 2 small 3ft subwoofer cables for the Y adapters... then on top of that i'd need a amp......?

So basically this is what I have to do? Or will I need two Y adapters..

JBLsound4645
07-09-08, 01:02 PM
Any cheap ole cable will do don’t be fooled by this expensive cable nonsense, it’s a load of rubbish, make you’re cables it’s not rocket science and you can customize the length to what ever it needs to be. Buy a soldering iron and save yourself money in the DIY sector.

(Y) leads always keep an option open what if, you wanted to run the shakers in (((stereo))) as a experiment so get stereo amplifier or you can run them in mono with the same signal being sent to both.

Also you won’t be able to control the level of the LCRS to those shakers if you use the sub bass (bass manager) that also blends the LFE.1 so you may what to reconsider the options.

A simple audio mixer and use custom made cable that is being sent from the AVR LCRS (RCA pre-outputs) send them into the mixers line inputs alone with LFE.1 that can still be sent to the active sub bass in the room.

Send LCRS to the line inputs on the mixer and use the pan pots to send the all the LCRS and some LFE.1 to the shakers, what this means is that you’ll have total control of the levels.

I’ve been using an audio mixer in my home cinema set-up for 7 or 8 years now and it’s indispensable. Save up for an amplifier, rushing won’t get you get anywhere.

Tyrindor
07-09-08, 01:06 PM
I have a 350W yamaha receiver laying around, can I just use that?

Maybe use this layout?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=15286&d=1069878073

JBLsound4645
07-09-08, 01:47 PM
I have a 350W yamaha receiver laying around, can I just use that?

Maybe use this layout?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=15286&d=1069878073

I can’t see that all working since there is one signal of equal level being sent to the receiver in that diagram with (Y lead) while in Dolby stereo pro-logic mode because only the centre channel will be producing most of the output to one shaker in Dolby stereo mode because the signal will be monaural. You hath to understand the nature of how the Dolby stereo pro-logic matrix works.

If it was in bypass mode or stereo and since the same signal is being sent again with equal level only the left and right shaker will be active.

You need to send stereo signal into the receiver in that diagram not monaural.

Now if you wanted to use a receiver AVR that’s lying around then use it use it by all means.;)

Tyrindor
07-09-08, 03:02 PM
I can’t see that all working since there is one signal of equal level being sent to the receiver in that diagram with (Y lead) while in Dolby stereo pro-logic mode because only the centre channel will be producing most of the output to one shaker in Dolby stereo mode because the signal will be monaural. You hath to understand the nature of how the Dolby stereo pro-logic matrix works.

If it was in bypass mode or stereo and since the same signal is being sent again with equal level only the left and right shaker will be active.

You need to send stereo signal into the receiver in that diagram not monaural.

Now if you wanted to use a receiver AVR that’s lying around then use it use it by all means.;)

How though, I have no clue on how to connect it up to my existing receiver as well as the bass shakers, can you make me a drawing please.

I can use the 2nd receiver JUST for the bass shakers, and I don't care to adjust them indivually, They will both need to be at the same volumes at the same time. So I assume mono is OK.

TrinhTD
07-09-08, 05:27 PM
Tyrindor: Use the diagram that you have. All you wil need is 2 Y splitters, and old amp or receiver, and your shakers.

Tyrindor
07-09-08, 05:34 PM
Tyrindor: Use the diagram that you have. All you wil need is 2 Y splitters, and old amp or receiver, and your shakers.

I'm thinking of getting this amp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882180022

And then doing this..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=115000&d=1215638736

Thoughts? That receiver I have is a family members of mine and they use it, so i'd need to buy them a new one if I used it anyway.

I also thought about running them in 8OHM by wiring them together? Which would be better?

GISMO1
07-09-08, 05:43 PM
I'm thinking of getting this amp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882180022

And then doing this..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=115000&d=1215638736

Thoughts? That receiver I have is a family members of mine and they use it, so i'd need to buy them a new one if I used it anyway.

I also thought about running them in 8OHM by wiring them together? Which would be better?

wher did you buy your shackers i was thinking about getting some and that price is right in my budget.

Tyrindor
07-09-08, 05:45 PM
wher did you buy your shackers i was thinking about getting some and that price is right in my budget.

eBay.

TrinhTD
07-09-08, 05:50 PM
I'm thinking of getting this amp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882180022

And then doing this..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=115000&d=1215638736

Thoughts? That receiver I have is a family members of mine and they use it, so i'd need to buy them a new one if I used it anyway.

I also thought about running them in 8OHM by wiring them together? Which would be better?


Ok, after looking carefully at the amp, there are 2 way you could do this

One is to run the amp in stereo mode: you'll need another Y splitter and hook the shakers to both channels of the amp.

Two: run the amp in mono mode. You won't need another splitter but you will need to wire the shakers in series and hook them up to the amp accordingly.

Read the amp manual carefully if you want to run them in mono mode.

cavu
07-09-08, 06:20 PM
I have a 350W yamaha receiver laying around, can I just use that?

Maybe use this layout?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=15286&d=1069878073That will work just fine! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/icons/icon14.gif

I can't quite grasp what JBLsound4645's problem is with it. :confused:

JBLsound4645
07-09-08, 06:42 PM
How though, I have no clue on how to connect it up to my existing receiver as well as the bass shakers, can you make me a drawing please.

I can use the 2nd receiver JUST for the bass shakers, and I don't care to adjust them indivually, They will both need to be at the same volumes at the same time. So I assume mono is OK.

You have got to be kidding me its just like, treat it like a loudspeaker its like piston motor inside the casing that moves up and down that creates the low vibrations.

Marlin21
07-09-08, 07:36 PM
I have been powering my Aura shakers with an old sony receiver for over a year with no problems. The sony was a cheapie I picked up for my machine shop. We purchased a better set up for the shop so this went into the rack to run cd's into my headphone amp.Some 14 ga. speaker leads to the shaker and I'm "A Shakin"!
I recently picked up a sub amp, 125 watt'er from parts express and hooked it up with a branched lfe line from my vsx92. Shakes about the same. Hard to believe you could hurt one of these shakers. I have had it cranked up pretty good and it's still working. Great unit for the price!

Don't worry about it just enjoy it.....:cool:

JBLsound4645
07-09-08, 08:03 PM
That will work just fine! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/icons/icon14.gif

I can't quite grasp what JBLsound4645's problem is with it. :confused:

No problem is just the string of threads that I have read in the past where it bites the dust, I was merely wondering if the user might be careless at some point or get too carried away and send the amplifier into clip or sudden peak bursts that bust shaker completely.

If I had, like I said earlier if, I had one of those funky devices I would take great care with it and not get carried away, just because its located in close proximity with sofa doesn’t mean its going to start vibrating the whole floor unless you had dozens, with there own amplifier and with shaker jolted underneath the floorboards to the joists. Now that would make a good vibrating sensation, a costly one if not that, but what a ride.

Manual instructions and guidelines
http://www.smarthome.com/manuals/8249p.pdf
http://www.makezine.com/images/02/DIY_home.pdf

Quote
"To demo your shakers, I recommend the lobby
and helicopter scenes from The Matrix, just about
any scene from Black Hawk Down, the beach landing
in Saving Private Ryan, the battle scene at the
end of Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, and my
personal favorite, Das Boot. Also, make sure you
don’t tell your friends about your shakers before
you invite them over. I find it’s best to let them
discover the shakers on their own."


In other word’s the element of surprise.

cavu
07-09-08, 08:16 PM
just because its located in close proximity with sofa doesn’t mean its going to start vibrating the whole floor unless you had dozens, with there own amplifier and with shaker jolted underneath the floorboards to the joists.I have four Aura Pro shakers, each with their own 200W amplifier (Adcom GFA1) and with each shaker bolted underneath the floorboards to the joists of my riser. And yes, it does vibrate the whole floor.

I run this off the second sub out of my "7.2" Yamaha RX-V663 together with a Velodyne 1000W DLS-5000R 15" sub.

Sometimes people are lifted out of their seats!:eek:

JBLsound4645
07-10-08, 04:58 PM
I have four Aura Pro shakers, each with their own 200W amplifier (Adcom GFA1) and with each shaker bolted underneath the floorboards to the joists of my riser. And yes, it does vibrate the whole floor.

I run this off the second sub out of my "7.2" Yamaha RX-V663 together with a Velodyne 1000W DLS-5000R 15" sub.

Sometimes people are lifted out of their seats!:eek:

I would say it’s the jolt of utter surprise! That makes one or a few stand-up!:D

That’s the plan that’s the plan that’s how it should be done with a single one set underneath the chair or few on the sofa with a balanced level so that it seems as one whole mass along with acoustic output energy from the sub bass or sub bass arrays.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/icons/icon14.gif