http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/888/888967p1.html

There it is... i'm sad inside :( FF was always one of my favorite franchise and why I loved the playstation. Hope it won't gimp the serie! (blu-ray vs DVD, like GTA)

Let's make another thread about it!

As long as Square-Enix makes more money (which they will on both platforms) then I'm happy. It'll generate more $$$ and in turn will secure more FF games in the future.

Can you imagine if FF was a PS3 exclusive and it flopped? EA would be knocking on their door so fast, the hinges would come off from the pounding...

EA would come knocking no matter how many platforms it flopped on.

I'm sad, because this might mean exactly what you think it might...and they build it around the least powerful system :(

At least Blue Dragon was multiple DVD?

+1 to that Chris!

I am now a little less excited about this game. Hopefully they'll make it up w/ PS3 exclusive mini-game(s) that won't fit on the xbox version.

I'm sad, because this might mean exactly what you think it might...and they build it around the least powerful system :(

At least Blue Dragon was multiple DVD?

Nope. According to the press conference that is going on right now, 360 development won't start until the PS3 version is complete. At it's core, FFXIII will still be a PS3 game.

The engine the game is running on was built to run on both consoles. Your game will not be gimped.

Whether or not it will be good is another matter entirely.

When it costs $120 million to make a game, it gets harder to keep a franchise exclusive.

I can't believe I'm hearing such troll/fanboy talk. Be happy that others can enjoy this great game. Either system has yet to prove itself as the more powerful/least powerful system. Multiplat games look almost identical.

Go move this sorta talk to the gamespot forums.

http://kotaku.com/5025033/liveblogging-square-enix-press-conference

When it costs $120 million to make a game, it gets harder to keep a franchise exclusive.

Yeah, that pretty much says it.

They probably saw that they weren't going to get their money back from Sony alone.

Let's make another thread about it!

I didn't find another thread about it when I searched.. sorry.

I saw it in the E3 thread but some people don't want to read 4 pages to find 2 posts about FFXIII...

I can't believe I'm hearing such troll/fanboy talk. Be happy that others can enjoy this great game. Either system has yet to prove itself as the more powerful/least powerful system. Multiplat games look almost identical.

Go move this sorta talk to the gamespot forums.


Actually the PS3 has proven itself the most powerful. Try playing games like MGSIV, Motorstorm, Racjet and Clank, and Uncharted. The PS3 is clearly the more potent hardware, especially when you figure in the standard HDD and the BLU ray capacity.

But forget the bullet points, the 360 hasn't produced a game that approaches MGSIV. And the 360 has been out a year longer. If you don't think FF will be somewhat gimped, you are wrong.

Ah well, another multiplatformer destined for less than it could have been. But that is the economics of the arms race in game production....I don't blame them. Not saying ot won't be a good or even great game. But to think that it won't be somewhat gimped is just fanciful thinking.

FF13 Versus is still PS3-exclusive. I don't know if I should laugh out of relief since that is the one I am really interested into...currently FF13 lacks the character or setting information that intrigues me.

I can't believe I'm hearing such troll/fanboy talk. Be happy that others can enjoy this great game. Either system has yet to prove itself as the more powerful/least powerful system. Multiplat games look almost identical.

Go move this sorta talk to the gamespot forums.

While yes, a multiplatform game may look similar on either platform, a game, designed and built around the strengths/weaknesses of a specific platform, will almost always have more resources available to get everything out of that machine.

Look at what Squenix pulled out of the PS2 for FFXII, that looked amazing. I'm pretty sure if they had to develop it for both the PS2 and Xbox, it wouldn't have been the same technical marvel.

Gameplay etc. is likely going to be awesome regardless, but if designed simultaneously for both systems, I can only imagine that the overall polish will diminish slightly.

Will it still be better polished than almost anything else? Yeah, probably....but it might not be polished to the same brilliance it could have been and that is what I fear.

I bought a PS3 because of MGS4 and FFXIII. I bought a PS1 for FFVII. I don't care what system an FF comes out for, just that the game doesn't end up compromised because they tried to make it for everyone instead of sticking to one platform and getting everything they could out of it.

It was eventually going to happen. But Sony will just have to rely on first party games like Little Big Planet, Socom Confrontation, Resistance 2, And Killzone 2 to sell hardware. Yoshida (the new Phil Harrison) has said this many times.
With strong titles like these coming this holiday season, the only thing Microsoft can do is concede on price.

Actually the PS3 has proven itself the most powerful. Try playing games like MGSIV, Motorstorm, Racjet and Clank, and Uncharted. The PS3 is clearly the more potent hardware, especially when you figure in the standard HDD and the BLU ray capacity.

But forget the bullet points, the 360 hasn't produced a game that approaches MGSIV. And the 360 has been out a year longer. If you don't think FF will be somewhat gimped, you are wrong.

Ah well, another multiplatformer destined for less than it could have been. But that is the economics of the arms race in game production....I don't blame them. Not saying ot won't be a good or even great game. But to think that it won't be somewhat gimped is just fanciful thinking.

See how you are a self-proclaimed Blu Ray Fanboy, your argument is full of Bias. I don't want this to turn into a Xbox360 vs PS3 thread but your claims of the games being "gimped" because its going to be on the Xbox 360 is entirely fanboy talk. I have played MGSIV, I've also played Resistence and Warhawk and was very underwhelmed by the graphics.

Both systems can generate amazing graphics and games. If you truly think a game will be gimped because its multiplat on the Xbox 360 then you belong in another forum.

Am I the only PS3 owner who has never played an FF game?

Anyway, all this really means to me is that a game I wasn't planning on purchasing isn't coming out anytime soon.

BTW, I feel the same way (just not getting what the huge deal is) about DMC and MGS (although I did play a little MGS back in the day).

As long as FFVSXIII stays exclusive and is optimized for the ps3 I will remain happy

Am I the only PS3 owner who has never played an FF game?

Anyway, all this really means to me is that a game I wasn't planning on purchasing isn't coming out anytime soon.

BTW, I feel the same way (just not getting what the huge deal is) about DMC and MGS (although I did play a little MGS back in the day).

I think the big deal comes from them being genre defining series' of games.

The first DMC was absolutely amazing and I failed to sleep the night I purchased it.

When FFX came out, I put 70 hours into the game in the first week it was out....through the entire series I'd say I've invested thousands of hours.

I'm still working through MGSIV which makes me sad, I just haven't had time to devote solely to it. At the beginning of Act IV now.

While yes, a multiplatform game may look similar on either platform, a game, designed and built around the strengths/weaknesses of a specific platform, will almost always have more resources available to get everything out of that machine.

Look at what Squenix pulled out of the PS2 for FFXII, that looked amazing. I'm pretty sure if they had to develop it for both the PS2 and Xbox, it wouldn't have been the same technical marvel.

Gameplay etc. is likely going to be awesome regardless, but if designed simultaneously for both systems, I can only imagine that the overall polish will diminish slightly.

Will it still be better polished than almost anything else? Yeah, probably....but it might not be polished to the same brilliance it could have been and that is what I fear.

I bought a PS3 because of MGS4 and FFXIII. I bought a PS1 for FFVII. I don't care what system an FF comes out for, just that the game doesn't end up compromised because they tried to make it for everyone instead of sticking to one platform and getting everything they could out of it.

Again, according to the press conference that is going on right now, 360 development won't start until the PS3 version is complete. At it's core, FFXIII will still be a PS3 game.

Both systems can generate amazing graphics and games.

I believe this to be true as well. However, this game would have been a huge system seller for sure if it had remained exclusive. This news definitely takes some of the wind out of Sony's sails.
Still, I think those who own a PS2 will eventually convert to PS3 when this title comes out for the backwards compatability of their game library. We'll see.

I am no PS3 fanboy, I'd like to own an XBOX 360. But bottom line is that I'd like to see more PS3's sell so PS3 owners don't get the shaft all the time from game devs.

I'm still working through MGSIV which makes me sad, I just haven't had time to devote solely to it. At the beginning of Act IV now.

You're about to become very happy.

It's all true. Not a rumor anymore.

Final Fantasy XIII on Xbox 360 (E3 2008) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WZiOS5DMMc)

Am I the only PS3 owner who has never played an FF game?

Anyway, all this really means to me is that a game I wasn't planning on purchasing isn't coming out anytime soon.

BTW, I feel the same way (just not getting what the huge deal is) about DMC and MGS (although I did play a little MGS back in the day).

From what others have said the xbox version is developed separately so think Bioshock coming to ps3 from xbox but reverse it and make it Final fantasy

Again, according to the press conference that is going on right now, 360 development won't start until the PS3 version is complete. At it's core, FFXIII will still be a PS3 game.

Just read that.

It does give me hope.

The one thing that scares me is that one version can't be outright better than the other, can it?

I'd love to see a multiplatform game made to take full advantage of each. Story/gameplay remains the same but from a technical perspective, they both do everything awesome that the machine is capable of.

From what others have said the xbox version is developed separately so think Bioshock coming to ps3 from xbox but reverse it and make it Final fantasy

I believe the release date is the same for both versions.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/888/888967p1.html
I'm not sure whether that means two different development teams or what.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/888/888967p1.html

There it is... i'm sad inside :( FF was always one of my favorite franchise and why I loved the playstation. Hope it won't gimp the serie! (blu-ray vs DVD, like GTA)

I'm sorry... I didn't know GTA was gimped on version vs the next?! and if you bring in the 4x zoomed in pics, then honestly you're no better than the fanboys preaching lossless audio for Blu when using TV speakers as their medium


FFXIII going multiplat was something I knew would happen eventually to a big title. It's a HUGE loss for the PS brand. I don't really care for it, I think RPGs are all blah with way too much story and no real replay value, and the combat systems are usually not my cup o tea but I know the impact this title has. This isn't a huge system seller but it was a reason on many on why they got a PS3. If MS drops this bomb, I can only imagine what Sony has up their sleaves...

Regardless it's good to avoid exclusivity. Businesses can make more money and the fans of 1 console can enjoy the title. I think most titles will go multiplat and just be timed exclusives.

PS, my PS1 could crank out excellent cut scenes as well, only now it's just 'in game' ;)

I can't believe I'm hearing such troll/fanboy talk. Be happy that others can enjoy this great game. Either system has yet to prove itself as the more powerful/least powerful system. Multiplat games look almost identical.
Go move this sorta talk to the gamespot forums.

I agree, this thread really is not for the PS3 forum. The PS3 edition was developed for the PS3, we have nothing to worry about as far as quality goes.

I believe the release date is the same for both versions.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/888/888967p1.html
I'm not sure whether that means two different development teams or what.

I believe it was said that the 360 would be day and date with the PS3 in the US, but that the japanese version would not be delayed.

So it looks like it is going to come out in Japan relatively soon, and it will come out in America on the 360 and PS3, whenever the 360 version is ready.

Just read that.

It does give me hope.

The one thing that scares me is that one version can't be outright better than the other, can it?

I'd love to see a multiplatform game made to take full advantage of each. Story/gameplay remains the same but from a technical perspective, they both do everything awesome that the machine is capable of.

... which would mean the SAME game on both consoles, albeit with the PS3 requiring a mandatory install and the 360 requiring multiple disks

;):p

You're about to become very happy.

I got in to the first part of the gameplay and...well...oh the memories :)

If Blue Dragon on 360 is 2 DVD 9's, how many do you think this game will be? We are hoping for the mother of all RPG's so I hope at least five. And don't call that fanboy talk, it's just science.

If Blue Dragon on 360 is 2 DVD 9's, how many do you think this game will be? We are hoping for the mother of all RPG's so I hope at least five. And don't call that fanboy talk, it's just science.

Lost Odyssey had 4 discs, also.

I would say at least 4 like Lost Odyssey, maybe 5 or 6. Hopefully one BD disk, but maybe two??? I bet there is a second disk for whatever special edition they will release.

I can't believe I'm hearing such troll/fanboy talk. Be happy that others can enjoy this great game. Either system has yet to prove itself as the more powerful/least powerful system. Multiplat games look almost identical.

Go move this sorta talk to the gamespot forums.
multiplat games look identical because neither is optimized for one system. Exclusives ARE a good thing as they drive the console forward, where would we be if consoles played every game??? Where would the choice be??? Without exclusives you aren't even going to push the hardware, so you pretty much have the same games year after year.

multiplat games look identical because neither is optimized for one system. Exclusives ARE a good thing as they drive the console forward, where would we be if consoles played every game??? Where would the choice be??? Without exclusives you aren't even going to push the hardware, so you pretty much have the same games year after year.

Call of Duty 3 and Call of Duty 4 begs to differ.

I can't believe I'm hearing such troll/fanboy talk. Be happy that others can enjoy this great game. Either system has yet to prove itself as the more powerful/least powerful system. Multiplat games look almost identical.

Go move this sorta talk to the gamespot forums.
Thank you, seriously.

People act as though 25GB is NEEDED for a game. It's not. That's grossly bloated for a game and the fact that MGS4 took up so much damned space is the prime example of validating a useless point/feature of a console system.

We have the advanced HD audio codecs to allow for lossless sound at insanely compressed sizes. The PS3 plays ALL of them.

And why was 25+ GB needed for MGS4?

Oh, right. Uncompressed audio. There is absolutely no reason a game should take up that much space. It doesn't look THAT good and the difference in audio quality between completely lossless and a well-encoded Dolby Digital 5.1 track (not plus...just regular DD) will be indistinguishable to 95% of the audience because a) they likely don't have the equipment to take advantage of the quality and b) they don't care or know what to listen for.

People bitching about DVDs for games sound like a bunch of whiney n00bs that know nothing other than what Sony's press releases force feed them.

People bitching about DVDs for games sound like a bunch of whiney n00bs that know nothing other than what Sony's press releases force feed them.
Your argument is an epic fail. You're being like the DVD fanboys who say "who needs HDM, DVD looks awesome."

Between you and Mr "Uncharted and MGS4 are underwhelming graphically," I've about hit my unabashed fanboy reading quota for the day.

You mean to tell me that space for bigger textures and more detail is a bad thing? :eek:

BTW, I'd be interested to see a link confirming that most of the space on the BD50 (IIRC) that MGS4 shipped on is taken up by lossless audio. That's not to say I can't believe it, with the cutscene length being what it is, but I haven't seen confirmation.

And console warz has reached AVS :(.

Anyway this is a big deal, because this will affect the time when I can play the game. :(

you know what would be crazy? If FFXIII took up 4 BLU-RAY DISCS :eek:

Thank you, seriously.



You're saying thank you to him for asking people to take their fanboy posts out of this forum yet all you offer in your post is strictly from the viewpoint of an MS fanboy.

Take your posts back to the xbox forums where the majority of your posts are.

Anyway this is a big deal, because this will affect the time when I can play the game. :(

Agreed.. I was hoping that Sony was going to announce an early release for this game. The waiting continues..... :(

And console warz has reached AVS :(.

Anyway this is a big deal, because this will affect the time when I can play the game. :(

Yeah, unfortunately, as happy as it might make Xbox only owners, PS3 or both owners should read this as "North American FFXIII release delayed at least a year". :mad:

I really don't understand why people are upset that the game is going to the Xbox 360 on a technical level. Work on the Xbox 360 version will begin once the PS3 version is complete. It's not like they are stealing all their talented programmers and moving them to the Xbox 360 group...Seeing as how all the game mechanics, art, music, plot, and other design elements are already final, it's a simple PC to Xbox 360 port.

Final Fantasy XIII was a PC centric game to begin with. It was designed and tested on a PC with SE's Crystal Tool. They are porting it from a Core 2 X86 processor to the Cell processor. Even if they finish the PS3 version first, x86 to Xenon will be a piece or cake. I doubt they will have to delay the PS3 version in order to release them both simultaneously in NA.

I really don't understand why people are upset that the game is going to the Xbox 360 on a technical level. Work on the Xbox 360 version will begin once the PS3 version is complete. It's not like they are stealing all their talented programmers and moving them to the Xbox 360 group...Seeing as how all the game mechanics, art, music, plot, and other design elements are already final, it's a simple PC to Xbox 360 port.

Final Fantasy XIII was a PC centric game to begin with. It was designed and tested on a PC with SE's Crystal Tool. They are porting it from a Core 2 X86 processor to the Cell processor. Even if they finish the PS3 version first, x86 to Xenon will be a piece or cake. I doubt they will have to delay the PS3 version in order to release them both simultaneously in NA.

Not upset.... It's good that owners of just xbox gets a chance to play this. If you are correct and it won't delay the release date then badass.... bring on the game!

See how you are a self-proclaimed Blu Ray Fanboy, your argument is full of Bias. I don't want this to turn into a Xbox360 vs PS3 thread but your claims of the games being "gimped" because its going to be on the Xbox 360 is entirely fanboy talk. I have played MGSIV, I've also played Resistence and Warhawk and was very underwhelmed by the graphics.

Both systems can generate amazing graphics and games. If you truly think a game will be gimped because its multiplat on the Xbox 360 then you belong in another forum.

Lol, from a casual observer standpoint everything was going fine in here until you showed up on the attack with "I can't believe I'm hearing such troll fanboy talk."

If you’re asking me, you’re the toll here.

Thank you, seriously.

People act as though 25GB is NEEDED for a game. It's not. That's grossly bloated for a game and the fact that MGS4 took up so much damned space is the prime example of validating a useless point/feature of a console system.




I would take off that that fortune teller hat of yours, its flawed (keep your day job). I remember asking myself why anyone would need a game on anything larger then a floppy disk until Ultima 4 came out and it took dam near 5 of them and I broke my thumb switching them all the time on my C64.

Your statements remind me of that "C" teacher I had in college who told us Intel would never produce a faster ship then a Pentium 90mhz because it would run to hot and we just wouldn’t need anything faster in your house.

Lol, from a casual observer standpoint everything was going fine in here until you showed up on the attack with "I can't believe I'm hearing such troll fanboy talk."

If you’re asking me, you’re the toll here.

Then you must have missed these posts: "I'm sad, because this might mean exactly what you think it might...and they build it around the least powerful system

At least Blue Dragon was multiple DVD?"

and

"+1 to that Chris!

I am now a little less excited about this game. Hopefully they'll make it up w/ PS3 exclusive mini-game(s) that won't fit on the xbox version."

The way I see it, he was responding to posts like these. What adult becomes sad if a game is released on another platform?

Lol, from a casual observer standpoint everything was going fine in here until you showed up on the attack with "I can't believe I'm hearing such troll fanboy talk."

If you’re asking me, you’re the toll here.

As a casual observer, you really do suck at it. You must really believe what Chris and zetram said in the posts above mine then. Plus, no body asked you and you contributed nothing to this discussion. Go home little boy.

let me guess... I would say 4 discs on the 360 and a 15 gig 2 hour mandatory install on the PS3

Pointing out the troll/fanboy talk was not trolling. It was dead on. Why in the heck would a grown adult be sad about a game not being exclusive when they will get to play it anyways?

Everyone is blindly assuming because its multi-plat that it will somehow be gimped (+infinity to the poster who mentioned COD4). Its nothing more than folks needing to feel better about the system they own by having exclusives. Psychology is a funny thing.

Anyways, quit worrying, it'll be a terrific game.

Another example of a multiplatform title not hampered by it is Burnout Paradise.

Thank you, seriously.

People act as though 25GB is NEEDED for a game. It's not. That's grossly bloated for a game and the fact that MGS4 took up so much damned space is the prime example of validating a useless point/feature of a console system.

We have the advanced HD audio codecs to allow for lossless sound at insanely compressed sizes. The PS3 plays ALL of them.

And why was 25+ GB needed for MGS4?

Oh, right. Uncompressed audio. There is absolutely no reason a game should take up that much space. It doesn't look THAT good and the difference in audio quality between completely lossless and a well-encoded Dolby Digital 5.1 track (not plus...just regular DD) will be indistinguishable to 95% of the audience because a) they likely don't have the equipment to take advantage of the quality and b) they don't care or know what to listen for.

People bitching about DVDs for games sound like a bunch of whiney n00bs that know nothing other than what Sony's press releases force feed them.

If you actually read the thread, you would see that games may not need 25MB, but it is easily taken up by some games. See Lost Odyssey 360.

As a casual observer, you really do suck at it. You must really believe what Chris and zetram said in the posts above mine then. Plus, no body asked you and you contributed nothing to this discussion. Go home little boy.

Very mature and untroll like.

Pointing out the troll/fanboy talk was not trolling. It was dead on. Why in the heck would a grown adult be sad about a game not being exclusive when they will get to play it anyways?

Everyone is blindly assuming because its multi-plat that it will somehow be gimped (+infinity to the poster who mentioned COD4). Its nothing more than folks needing to feel better about the system they own by having exclusives. Psychology is a funny thing.

Anyways, quit worrying, it'll be a terrific game.

Not true, many people on this forum are proud owners of both systems. But your right, it shoud definitely be a terrific game. Can't wait! You know what would be cool if you could toggle between turn based and real time battles.

How do we know it's going to be a terrific game, now? We've seen barely any gameplay, and I haven't heard a lot of details about the story...

You guys shouldn't be angry about FF coming to the 360, you should be angry about the announcement that with the next dashboard release all games will be able to install to the hard drive on a 360. With the 20gig models being phased out and a standard 60gb model phased in, that means most folks will be able to install 8 to 12 of their favorite games to the HD.

Or one multi-disc RPG. Coincidence? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Actually, you guys shouldn't be pissed at all...GT5....Killzone2...Uncharted 2 someday....Motorstorm 2.....theres plenty of reasons to own both.
(Tho I agree with the folks who say Resistance is a terrible game....I'm forcing myself to finish the game now so i can sell off my copy used....and forcing is the key word, this game stinks).

Angry why? Instead of cramming several DVDs onto a HDD I could just install a couple of GBs at most and play it on a blu-ray disc. I'd be more angry about being limited to 60 or 120GB max and having to pay a ridiculous price for it.



(This thread was in the crapper anyway. :) )

Angry why? Instead of cramming several DVDs onto a HDD I could just install a couple of GBs at most and play it on a blu-ray disc. I'd be more angry about being limited to 60 or 120GB max and having to pay a ridiculous price for it.

Guess it's a matter of personal preference. I would rather spend 5 seconds switching DVDs than waiting 2 minutes for the game to install. Even if the game comes in 6 DVDs, that's only 30 seconds.

I really hope the PS3 version doesn't have mandatory installs in between the actual gameplay... MGS4 installs annoys the hell out of me.

Angry why? Instead of cramming several DVDs onto a HDD I could just install a couple of GBs at most and play it on a blu-ray disc. I'd be more angry about being limited to 60 or 120GB max and having to pay a ridiculous price for it.

(This thread was in the crapper anyway. :) )

Thats right...salvage what you can :D

Thats right...salvage what you can :DI'm trying, but it's so hard to contend with Microsoft's mighty collection of party games and arcade remakes that were shown off today!!!

They got me with Portal though. Damn them for denying Portal goodness to everyone else! :mad:

I'm trying, but it's so hard to contend with Microsoft's mighty collection of party games and arcade remakes that were shown off today!!!

They got me with Portal though. Damn them for denying Portal goodness to everyone else! :mad:

Portal is cute, but unless they release 200 new puzzles for it...Meh...I dunno.
Kinda funny to see them whoring over the Wii-esque stuff tho, thats a little creepy.

Mostly though the advances come in the form of multi-person chat and party-creation, thats very cool. Move from game to game, but also watch streaming movies from netflix at the same time..share movies with friends, thats impressive. Kinda neet if you're the type who likes to chat while watching a movie....I'm not, but I'm sure lots of people are.

Anyhow most of the good games are multi-system to begin with. Sony has the stronger lineup of exclusives coming up.

But just to stay true...I can't wait for Sony's announcements..
"Today we are bringing you something never before seen in a video game console.....Downloadable Movies and TV shows! And our new patch version 2.0, No Break Machine!.....including for the first time in-game access to the OS! And GT5 is now tenatively slated for release in 2012! Get your engines ready!"

but also watch streaming movies from netflix at the same time..share movies with friends, thats impressive.


I still don't understand why someone would waste time trying to get people together and then starting a movie instead of just starting a movie.

Actually, you guys shouldn't be pissed at all...GT5....Killzone2...Uncharted 2 someday....Motorstorm 2.....theres plenty of reasons to own both.
(Tho I agree with the folks who say Resistance is a terrible game....I'm forcing myself to finish the game now so i can sell off my copy used....and forcing is the key word, this game stinks).

I agree...the ps3 has a nice lineup of exclusives (although, you forgot to mention Warhawk :mad:...best game on any system...EVER...well, in my opinion only ;)). No reason to get worked up about it.

HR, RFOM was my first ps3 game and man did it pull me in (re-played it three times...harder level each time). Loved it. With that being said, and comparing it to today's games, it does not stack up. Amazing what a year and half will do in the gaming industry.

They got me with Portal though. Damn them for denying Portal goodness to everyone else! :mad:

I don't recall them saying it was coming only to 360, that's just the first confirmed.

Mostly though the advances come in the form of multi-person chat and party-creation, thats very cool. Move from game to game, but also watch streaming movies from netflix at the same time..share movies with friends, thats impressive. Kinda neet if you're the type who likes to chat while watching a movie....I'm not, but I'm sure lots of people are.
Yeah, that was all really slick and seamless. Pretty impressive.

I don't recall them saying it was coming only to 360, that's just the first confirmed.They said exclusive but that might mean console exclusive. It's kind of tough to believe they'd deny it to PC gamers.

I don't recall them saying it was coming only to 360, that's just the first confirmed.

No, pretty sure they said you'll only be able to get it on the Xbox 360. I'm assuming it is also coming to PC though.

Actually, you guys shouldn't be pissed at all...GT5....Killzone2...Uncharted 2 someday....Motorstorm 2.....theres plenty of reasons to own both.
(Tho I agree with the folks who say Resistance is a terrible game....I'm forcing myself to finish the game now so i can sell off my copy used....and forcing is the key word, this game stinks).

HeadRusch. You and me both. I just bought Resistance used and I'm having a hard time trying to get into the game. I don't see what the hype was all about. And to think, this game went up against Gears of War. Hopefully Resistance 2 will offer a far better gameplay.

And to deviate from the topic more...I really hope the installs on the Xbox360 is Optional, not mandatory. That would be a really nice feature to have.

Installs have to be optional. The arcade version of the 360 doesnt come with a harddrive.

Installs have to be optional. The arcade version of the 360 doesnt come with a harddrive.

There are many games already out that requires installation on PS3 but not on Xbox360.

At first I was really pissed to hear this news.

Then, as I thought about it, I really don't care at all. It can actually be a good thing - more revenue = better/faster future games.

With one condition - that they don't gimp the game based on disc space.

I don't care if it takes up 1 or 10 DVDs for the 360, as long as they don't do anything differently than they would have if it was still a ps3 exclusive. Develop they way they would have, then port it over and however many discs it needs is how many it gets.

The POS3 may have a slightly better processor, but you are wrong on the GPU. The POS3 has a gimped Nvidia 7800 while the 360 has the ATI Xenon! If anything, 360 is as good, if not better than POS3!

Great day for MS, bad day for Sony. And I am glad, I hate Sony products and broken promises.

I hope they announce MGS4 for 360 at next years E3. Then Sony can ditch the games division!

Invisible post, ignore.

At first I was really pissed to hear this news.

Then, as I thought about it, I really don't care at all. It can actually be a good thing - more revenue = better/faster future games.

With one condition - that they don't gimp the game based on disc space.

I don't care if it takes up 1 or 10 DVDs for the 360, as long as they don't do anything differently than they would have if it was still a ps3 exclusive. Develop they way they would have, then port it over and however many discs it needs is how many it gets.

From what I'm reading, they are going to finish the game on the PS3 so it can be released in Japan. Then, they will simultaneously localize the PS3 version and develop the 360 version for localized, non-Japanese markets since the 360 is a non-presence in Japan.

From what I'm reading, they are going to finish the game on the PS3 so it can be released in Japan. Then, they will simultaneously localize the PS3 version and develop the 360 version for localized, non-Japanese markets since the 360 is a non-presence in Japan.


I read it this way:

"We will finish the PS3 version and release it in Japan. Then we will delay the US-PS3 version, under the guise of localization, until the 360 version is ready so we can launch both simultaneously. "

Maybe I'm wrong, but that was my take on that.

headrusch the HDD caching of games still requries you to put the disc in the drive for verification. the only benefit is improved load times. with that said it could be useful for a number of titles.

Sorry if I started the "trollish fanboy talk."

I really enjoy FF games. I did not realize they were going to just finish the PS3 version and delay the NA release to wait for the 360 version to be completed.

Does it still suck? Yeah, but only because of the wait.

As for being sad, it's not like I'm going to go cry myself to sleep. I've been playing FF games since they came out...when I was 9. Yes, I like them a lot and they are a gaming experience I always look forward to.

Am I offended because I don't own a 360? Nope. Three of the guys that work here have 360's that I can use if I really wanted to, one as hardcore into the FF series as I am. I'm the only one with a PS3, but I don't think I'm an elitist person, if I wanted a 360, I'd go buy one. I owned all of the last gen systems and the 360 is the only one from the current gen I don't have around.

Random fact:

I will probably end up with a 360 if Infinite Undiscovery(360 exclusive Squeenix game) remains 360 exclusive and is good.

I'm personally not a fan of RPGs and never got into FF games. I know the impact. But for those who like the FF series and are RPG fans, you should consider getting a 360 at this point if you haven't already. Sony in my book has dropped the ball on RPG fans when looking at the 360s lineup.

I think FFXIII will still play better on the PS3 and by play better I mean faster loading times.

I'm personally not a fan of RPGs and never got into FF games. I know the impact. But for those who like the FF series and are RPG fans, you should consider getting a 360 at this point if you haven't already. Sony in my book has dropped the ball on RPG fans when looking at the 360s lineup.

I think FFXIII will still play better on the PS3 and by play better I mean faster loading times.

that's a likely outcome but with the enw HDD caching option that advantage may be negated.

headrusch the HDD caching of games still requries you to put the disc in the drive for verification. the only benefit is improved load times. with that said it could be useful for a number of titles.

True, but in a multi-disc game it may not need every disc in there...it probably just needs the one main disc...so wouldn't have to swap. Or if you didn't want to buy or have space on your HD, you could get up and swap.

All in all, I think its a nice option. Go either way.....

Random fact:

I will probably end up with a 360 if Infinite Undiscovery(360 exclusive Squeenix game) remains 360 exclusive and is good.

If you are into exclusive RPG's you should look at Lost Odyssey. VERY well done classic JRPG.

If you are into exclusive RPG's you should look at Lost Odyssey. VERY well done classic JRPG.

Read about it and am definitely interested. Maybe I'll have to coerce Matt into getting it first :)

HeadRusch. You and me both. I just bought Resistance used and I'm having a hard time trying to get into the game. I don't see what the hype was all about. And to think, this game went up against Gears of War. Hopefully Resistance 2 will offer a far better gameplay.

And to deviate from the topic more...I really hope the installs on the Xbox360 is Optional, not mandatory. That would be a really nice feature to have.

This announcement could open the door for some games to do manditory installs.....but I'm guessing in the short term its not the case.

This announcement could open the door for some games to do manditory installs.....but I'm guessing in the short term its not the case.

Yes it could..but there has yet to be a game on the Xbox 360 that has displayed the need for a mandatory install. I hope this new feature doesn't make devs lazy buy making users dump the entire disc on the HDD with no choice.

Of course the quality of the game will fall ! GTA4 would have been ten times better if it was an excusive, now it looks like c****.



For the last time, they will finish the PS3 version before beginning to work on the Xbox 360 version. The game will not be affected at all. It's not like Final Fantasy XIII was designed from the bottom up for the PS3. It was designed for a PC and then ported to the PS3. All they are doing is taking the PC version and porting it to the Xbox 360. That is how Square-Enix is doing development now. By first developing a game for a familiar platform like the PC, they can port it to any other platforms they want.

Although I agree that GTA IV would have been a better game had it been designed exclusively for the PS3, it would have also been a better game had it been designed exclusively for the Xbox 360. Either way, FF was not designed for any specific platform.

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Yes it could..but there has yet to be a game on the Xbox 360 that has displayed the need for a mandatory install. I hope this new feature doesn't make devs lazy buy making users dump the entire disc on the HDD with no choice.

I read that Soul caliber 4 is requiring a HDD for 360 so it's not far off.

I read that Soul caliber 4 is requiring a HDD for 360 so it's not far off.

No, it doesn't. That was an error on the Xbox site which Microsoft corrected. There are a few games on the Xbox website which list "Storage Required." That is there by request of the developer to inform the oblivious that you need a storage device to save your game. Alone in the Dark says "Hard Drive Required" but you can play it without a hard drive.

Wow, thats a big hit. I am completely shocked by this.... and I dont think there is anything Sony can do at E3 to combat this news.

But it might not be so bad, since the game was designed for the PS3, and the xbox version wont start until the PS3 version is complete... hopefully there will be a big discrepancy in graphics. And who knows it could take 5-6 discs*.

This could be used to show the advantage that the PS3 has over the 360. Of course the news is pretty painful... and there is not much that sony can say to combat this news. Maybe a giant price cut, and GT5 by Christmas. I just hope this doesnt affect the PS3 game negatively.

Dang is it really going to be delayed for the PS3 in the states? Thats BS.

*because there is basic data that needs to be repeated on every disc. Not everyone has a hard drive, and most people only have a 20GB Disc drive.

Fanbooooooooooooooy post!

I've been a fan of the FF series for well over a decade now but have been rather disappointed with the games ever since 8 came out. The story seems to have taken a place well behind that of graphics. Even the music has suffered!

I don't care that S-E is planning a dual-console release for their latest FF game. I don't own a PS3 and I probably won't for a few more years. I'm not cheap, I just don't see a good reason (game) to get one right now. My 360 and Wii entertain me enough.

I'm not brand loyal. I have owned a Nintendo, Sega, Sony -- whatever seemed interesting to me at the moment. This time around, I am a Playstation 3 owner. I would have liked a 360, but the deciding factor for me was the quality control issues of the 360. You see, I absolutely hate the hassle of dealing with defective products. I've had my share of dealing with less than stellar customer service with these corporations -- waiting impatiently while they put me on hold on the phone, incompetent technical service representatives, and the all too frequent attitude problems these customer service representatives have.

When people compare the two consoles, they are for the most part comparing the graphics on these two systems. Graphics are important to me, but it doesn't make or break a game. Then again, if it has horrendous graphics, it does interfere with my enjoyment of the game. Games are more of a cultural / technological homage to their time than just pure gameplay, so good graphics befitting the technology at the time of the release is all that I require. This is why I prefer Virtua Tennis over Pong or Resident Evil over Pacman. I'm exaggerating a bit for effect, of course.

Anyway, the point I want to make is that I'm sure the graphics will look good for both systems. I'm currently playing FFX on my PS2, and I'm blown away whenever I switch back to my PS3 to play the current generation of games. If the story and the game play is the same on both consoles, I don't mind that the game is not exclusive to the PS3.

I don't want either companies winning the console war by such a huge margin that one company drops out of the market. Why? Because I love competition. It's good for the consumer. I'm sure that the loss of FFXIII exclusivity will hurt Sony a bit, but it won't be fatal. However, I see nothing wrong with Sony gaining some grounds to keep MS on its toes. And also nothing wrong with Sony getting some third party attention. There are way too many RPGs on the 360 that I wish were on the PS3. I could not care less about either of these giant corporations. I care about the consumers. In this case, me, as the consumer and what I am getting for the money I spent.

Can I be the first to say... BRING BACK KEN.

WTH, doesnt Sony own like 14-20% of Square? Where is the clout?

I think the term Fanboy and troll are thrown around way too freely in this forum :rolleyes:


What's wrong w/ not wanting a foundation of PS to stay in house? It's just like Budweiser being bought by German Co.... it's just not right :(

Can I be the first to say... BRING BACK KEN.

WTH, doesnt Sony own like 14-20% of Square? Where is the clout?

Sony owns 8% of Square-Enix. Releasing FFXIII in the west isa business decision which makes sense for SE. Pretty obvious that they can double their sells by releasing it on the Xbox 360. I doubt Microsoft payed them to do this. If they had, the game would probably come out in Japan as well.

I think the funniest thing is...

Prior to yesterday, PS3 fanboys rant about how good FFXIII is gonna be, and X360 fanboys rant about how insignificant it is.

Today, X360 fanboys rant about how good FFXIII is gonna be, and PS3 fanboys rant about how insignificant it is.

"Final Fantasy XIII Details"

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/890/890359p1.html

I wonder if the XBox360 version will actually be any smaller than the PS3 version at all? I mean, this is not a fanboy question of one side or the other, I have both systems, but can anyone tell me if any PS3 games so far have really utilized the capacity of blu ray discs? I look at games like Hot Shots Golf Out of Bounds, and it has as many courses and characters as the PSP Hot shot games, there is no way it comes close to using that space. Sure, games like MGS4 and Uncharted use a lot more space (at least that's what I'm assuming), but does anyone really know how "big" these games actually are? Switching discs is not nearly as big of a deal as some people make it out to be, especially for role playing games. If the actual game capacity is around 20 GB, the Xbox360 version could just be a 2 disc game and be exactly the same.

I wonder if the XBox360 version will actually be any smaller than the PS3 version at all? I mean, this is not a fanboy question of one side or the other, I have both systems, but can anyone tell me if any PS3 games so far have really utilized the capacity of blu ray discs? I look at games like Hot Shots Golf Out of Bounds, and it has as many courses and characters as the PSP Hot shot games, there is no way it comes close to using that space. Sure, games like MGS4 and Uncharted use a lot more space (at least that's what I'm assuming), but does anyone really know how "big" these games actually are? Switching discs is not nearly as big of a deal as some people make it out to be, especially for role playing games. If the actual game capacity is around 20 GB, the Xbox360 version could just be a 2 disc game and be exactly the same.20GB would be 3 DVDs actually, but you're right that disc swapping isn't a big deal for an RPG. Didn't Lost Odyssey come on 4 DVDs?

20GB would be 3 DVDs actually, but you're right that disc swapping isn't a big deal for an RPG. Didn't Lost Odyssey come on 4 DVDs?

Yes it did (great game!). Those of us who have played RPGs for many years really shouldn't mind the disc swapping. Most people opposed act as if discs will need to be swapped every few minutes. It's definitely an advantage of BD, but disc swapping isn't as tedious as it's made out to be.

Protopet -- thanks for the link. I've always been concerned about the battle system after XII, but it sounds promising.

Let's hope that Sony announces some more RPGs in development to make up for the loss of the exclusivity of FFXIII.

20GB would be 3 DVDs actually, but you're right that disc swapping isn't a big deal for an RPG. Didn't Lost Odyssey come on 4 DVDs?

Yes it did and you could still go anywhere in the world form any disk. Only the triggered cinema's were disk specific.

Let's hope that Sony announces some more RPGs in development to make up for the loss of the exclusivity of FFXIII.

What happened to White Knight Story? I was looking forward to that more than FF but it's fallen completely off the radar.

20GB would be 3 DVDs actually, but you're right that disc swapping isn't a big deal for an RPG. Didn't Lost Odyssey come on 4 DVDs?

Well, technically... a 20GB game wouldnt fit 2 DVDs. Even 15GB would require 3-4DVDs.

The main reason for this is that Data, (like the world, the charactors etc) would have to be replicated on various discs.

Its not a big deal for RPGs... If you are looking at a 100 hour game, and 8 discs.... a disc every 11 hours doesnt seem bad at all. But they need to be careful of things like an ultimate weapon only being available on Disc 3, when the charactor died in disc 2.

From the IGN article:

The Xbox 360 iteration is a port of the PS3 build, but Square was quick to point out that you can't say this will cause a delay of the PS3 release in America. Separate teams are working on the two versions and both are moving along on schedule. There shouldn't be a delay in any releases.

No delays = I'm happy.

yeah i mean look at all the sucky multi platform games
COD4
R6V
burnout
A. Creed
Bioshock
Force unleashed

I mean who would buy those games....

also on a different note, i was at the gym last night and i saw PS3 benching about 15 pounds more then 360, but 360 was totally stronger when it comes to squats....and then the wii killed them boths in aerobics..

also on a different note, i was at the gym last night and i saw PS3 benching about 15 pounds more then 360, but 360 was totally stronger when it comes to squats....and then the wii killed them boths in aerobics..

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....thank you for that this morning :)

Sorry for the slightly OT post, but are there any good PS3 RPGs currently available to get me by until FF comes out? If so, what are they?

Folklore now, Disgaea 3 next month. Other than that, I don't really know.

Sorry for the slightly OT post, but are there any good PS3 RPGs currently available to get me by until FF comes out? If so, what are they?

Folklore now, Disgaea 3 next month. Other than that, I don't really know.

I don't know that I'd classify "Folklore" as an RPG, though it very well might be considered one and I'm just unaware.

I might be the only person in the world that actually enjoyed "eNCHANT arM," but that should be available for very cheap if you're willing to give it a try.

Thanks danforth and Martez... it really sounds like there has been a lack of RPGs for the PS3.

I wonder how long it will be before they have MMORPGs. Hopefully they'll have some free ones like Guild Wars. I refuse to pay $60 for a game and then have to pay $5/$10 a month just to play that game. What a scam IMO.

Ok, sorry for going so far OT there.

As long as there's no delay to FF release on the PS3, I don't care if they port it to Xbox, PC, or the dang Wii!

Yeah, I understand that Folklore is debatable. I STILL haven't played the demo I have installed on my hard drive :\

But honestly, once Disgaea 3 comes out, what more do you need?! :)

I wonder how long it will be before they have MMORPGs.!

Well, we have The Agency and DC Universe Online coming- both are looking great, but I'm not sure what the release dates for them are.

Thanks danforth and Martez... it really sounds like there has been a lack of RPGs for the PS3.

There has been a total lack of RPGs for all consoles this generation, not just the PS3. The 360 has a few (with a few more on the way), and I'm hoping that Sony starts announcing some more soon.

As hiko13 pointed out, "White Knight Story" looked amazing, but there have been no updates on it for quite some time.

Yeah, if you're itching for RPGs, both handheld systems have them by the boatload.

This fall we should have Valkyria and Eternal Sonata, at least, right?

But honestly, once Disgaea 3 comes out, what more do you need?! :)

Lots of caffeine and pizza rolls. Cases of pizza rolls.

Oooh, yeah- Valkyria looks great.

Lots of caffeine and pizza rolls. Cases of pizza rolls.

Haha, indeed. Does Disgaea 3 have online battles? I know the PSP version of the original had something like that.

What's wrong w/ not wanting a foundation of PS to stay in house? It's just like Budweiser being bought by German Co.... it's just not right :(

Uhm... FF got its start on Nintendo systems.

True but that still doesn't change the fact it help make the PSX. It was the game that made people go "WOW look what this thing can do!"

I feel FF(and square) made PS, not the other way around.

What's wrong w/ not wanting a foundation of PS to stay in house? It's just like Budweiser being bought by German Co.... it's just not right :(


Actually, they're Belgian.

I think the term Fanboy and troll are thrown around way too freely in this forum :rolleyes:


What's wrong w/ not wanting a foundation of PS to stay in house? It's just like Budweiser being bought by German Co.... it's just not right :(


I love how we as Americans are so arrogant and full of ourselves at times while being completely clueless. I don't mean this toward you personally as you probably just hear the usual flag waving rhetoric that most do who don't read between the lines. We have all been a bit brainwashed over the years with some good propaganda. Yes Anheuser Busch is an American company, but here is a good laugh. If anything it is going close to home:

The name Budweiser for example is actually German:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser

And the founder of Anheuser Busch was born in Germany:

History

Anheuser-Busch began as a small brewery located in St. Louis, Missouri. In 1860, Eberhard Anheuser, a German-born prosperous soap manufacturer, became owner of the struggling brewery. Adolphus Busch, Anheuser’s son-in-law, became partner in 1869, and became president when Anheuser died in 1880.
Interior of the St. Louis brewery
Interior of the St. Louis brewery

Adolphus Busch was the first U.S. brewer to use pasteurization to keep beer fresh, the first to use artificial refrigeration and refrigerated railroad cars and the first to bottle beer extensively. In 1876, Busch introduced America’s first national beer brand: Budweiser. In 1877, Busch introduced the company's first cola: King Cola.

As far as the PS I agree with you! :D

IT will be a MULTI DVD set on DVD... At least on the XBOX360, while we enjoy our 1 BD Disc :)

Sony owns 8% of Square-Enix. Releasing FFXIII in the west isa business decision which makes sense for SE. Pretty obvious that they can double their sells by releasing it on the Xbox 360. I doubt Microsoft payed them to do this. If they had, the game would probably come out in Japan as well.

if you think about it square saying its to reach a larger audience because of the ps3 lower install base is pretty lame. well hell there are like what 140million ps2 out there and still selling like hotcakes. if they are going to dumb it down to put it on the 360dvd. just make it on ps2w /dvd and its 140m install base. it would still out sell ps3/360 combined and 1/2 the development costs and still look better then 90% of the xbox games.

if you think about it square saying its to reach a larger audience because of the ps3 lower install base is pretty lame. well hell there are like what 140million ps2 out there and still selling like hotcakes. if they are going to dumb it down to put it on the 360dvd. just make it on ps2w /dvd and its 140m install base. it would still out sell ps3/360 combined and 1/2 the development costs and still look better then 90% of the xbox games.

I stopped reading after that misinformed sentence. They are porting it from the PC to the PS3 then the PC to the Xbox 360. How do you know they are going to dumb it down for the Xbox 360? Considering the ease of PC to Xbox 360, I wouldn't be surprised if the two versions of the game are identical. Heck, Square-Enix said both versions will be identical. I am sure the PS3 version may have a slight graphical advantage since they did spend more time optimizing it for the cell processors, but from everything I've read, they are not spending all their time optimizing for the SPUs.

They are not dumbing anything down. They are releasing the same game on 2 platforms which are both very powerful. Releasing it on the PS2 would be like developing it from scratch since they have to remake everything with lower quality. With the xbox 360, everything is done, they just need to port it from PC to Xbox 360.

Also, although they are releasing it on multiple DVDs, I would rather spend 5 seconds changing the DVD maybe 5 times than 5 minutes installing the game. I have both consoles and I intend to get it for the Xbox 360 unless it is vastly inferior (which I doubt it it will be.)

I think it'd be a little more work scaling the game down to PS2 than porting it over to 360. I doubt the 360 version is going to be "dumbed down" at all. Worst case scenario is it uses more compression/multiple discs, neither of which would really ruin the game.

Actually since it is a fact that the Xbox360 cannot handle the same kind of audio fidelity the PS3 can with its HD audio codecs, I think it's fair to say that making it multiplatform could force them to "dumb it down". However, that's not to say they were planning to include HD sound in the game in the first place. With Square's reputation of pushing the envelope for their numbered FF games, it's possible.

Actually since it is a fact that the Xbox360 cannot handle the same kind of audio fidelity the PS3 can with its HD audio codecs, I think it's fair to say that making it multiplatform could force them to "dumb it down". However, that's not to say they were planning to include HD sound in the game in the first place. With Square's reputation of pushing the envelope for their numbered FF games, it's possible.

They are obviously going to use more compression in the audio and video. However, odds are most people won't notice. I would have payed for a version of MGS4 with compressed audio...Would have cut down on the installs between chapters... There are not many people that can tell the difference between uncompressed and compressed with a very good codec. Heck, most people don't even have the equipment to hear a difference.

They are obviously going to use more compression in the audio and video. However, odds are most people won't notice. I would have payed for a version of MGS4 with compressed audio...Would have cut down on the installs between chapters... There are not many people that can tell the difference between uncompressed and compressed with a very good codec. Heck, most people don't even have the equipment to hear a difference.

Yeah I agree with you, but I happen to have the equipment and I can tell the difference. The fact that most people cannot doesn't mean it's not getting "dumbed down". I think "dumbed down" is perhaps too harsh, but nevertheless the decision to go multiplatform has a very real chance of limiting the entire potential of the game.

Also if we compare games developed solely for the 360 compared to the PS3, I have to say that the very best on the PS3 edge out the very best on the 360 graphically. All my friends who own a 360 all agree that while most games are comparable or even slightly better than their PS3 counterparts, the best looking PS3 games are better looking than the best looking 360 games.

All in all, as long as SE does their best to fully utilize the PS3 first and foremost and then as a secondary concern worry about what to compress to release it for the 360, I'll be satisfied.

Yeah I agree with you, but I happen to have the equipment and I can tell the difference. The fact that most people cannot doesn't mean it's not getting "dumbed down". I think "dumbed down" is perhaps too harsh, but nevertheless the decision to go multiplatform has a very real chance of limiting the entire potential of the game.

How? PS3 development is not affected in any way. Once they finish the PS3 version, they will start the Xbox 360 version and develop it in the same time it takes to localize the PS3 version to English. I don't see how that limits the game at all? Even if the game remains a PS3 exclusive, it will be the exact same game regardless. Only thing that will limit the game is that the Xbox 360 version's audio will be more compressed and they may use 720P CG instead of 1080P. Aside from that, the 2 games should be identical.

I actually find it funny. This is the greatest compliment anyone has ever given Microsoft's development tools. Taking a game which took years to develop/port to the PS3 then porting it to the Xbox 360 in 4 months. Granted, the engine is already working on the Xbox 360 and all the content will be done. All Square-Enix has to do is go from a dual core to a tri core and x86 to PPC.

How? PS3 development is not affected in any way. Once they finish the PS3 version, they will start the Xbox 360 version and develop it in the same time it takes to localize the PS3 version to English. I don't see how that limits the game at all?

Yeah it shouldn't affect it, but I'm just afraid they'll have the eventual Xbox360 port in mind when they are developing the PS3 version instead of just concentrating on getting the most out of the PS3.

Yeah it shouldn't affect it, but I'm just afraid they'll have the eventual Xbox360 port in mind when they are developing the PS3 version instead of just concentrating on getting the most out of the PS3.

The game would have been much more impressive had they developed it for the PS3 to begin with. Instead, Square-Enix is taking a new approach to development. They are developing it for a neutral platform (PC) then porting it to their desired platforms. Granted, for future titles they will have the Xbox 360 version in mind but that shouldn't really affect it much. The gap between the PS3's capabilities and the Xbox 360's capabilities can be walked across.

Btw, please don't bring up Killzone II. Game has been in development for 6+ years. There isn't a single 360 game with that much resources invested in it.

I stopped reading after that misinformed sentence. They are porting it from the PC to the PS3 then the PC to the Xbox 360. How do you know they are going to dumb it down for the Xbox 360? Considering the ease of PC to Xbox 360, I wouldn't be surprised if the two versions of the game are identical. Heck, Square-Enix said both versions will be identical. I am sure the PS3 version may have a slight graphical advantage since they did spend more time optimizing it for the cell processors, but from everything I've read, they are not spending all their time optimizing for the SPUs.

They are not dumbing anything down. They are releasing the same game on 2 platforms which are both very powerful. Releasing it on the PS2 would be like developing it from scratch since they have to remake everything with lower quality. With the xbox 360, everything is done, they just need to port it from PC to Xbox 360.

Also, although they are releasing it on multiple DVDs, I would rather spend 5 seconds changing the DVD maybe 5 times than 5 minutes installing the game. I have both consoles and I intend to get it for the Xbox 360 unless it is vastly inferior (which I doubt it it will be.)

i agree, using dumb down was more for effect,a better term would be that they might have to make some compromises with the 360 version. but still if they want sales ps2 would deliver look at gow2.

As long as it's just a port and nothing more, I don't care. If Xbox dev. type thinking were to get into it....yuck.

I want my japanese games to keep what's left of their quirk. FF is pretty tame in that respect but I don't want to play Halo RPG. If I wanted to play an americanized game I would buy a game for my 360.

There is a bevy of reasons the Xbox doesn't sell in Japan and Nationalism ain't the only answer.

There is a bevy of reasons the Xbox doesn't sell in Japan and Nationalism ain't the only answer.


Actually, according to some of the Japanese friends I've spoken to, that is one of the biggest reasons. The Japanese are not as accepting to foreign companies as Americans or Europeans. Honestly, I am surprised Apple is doing so well in Japan. If you actually take a look, the Xbox 360 has a much more impressive RPG lineup. A lot of the RPGs on the Xbox 360 are actually traditional Japanese RPGs. Frankly, I think Microsoft should just give up on Japan. Make the console available and market the games but they shouldn't go out of their way for the Japanese market. If the Japanese bite, great. If they don't, focus on the US and Europe. Europe is actually the fastest growing market right now. Japan is quickly falling as the gaming capital of the world.

I'm going to go ahead and end the night on that note. Going to bed before I collapse in front of my keyboard.

Never underestimate the snowball effect. If someone gets a console, his friends will be more likely to get it, and then their friends, and so on, and so on.

The X360 snowball just hasn't picked up yet. Starting is the hardest part. Maybe someday, X360 will win Japan's respect as a third console.


Anyway, I'm not worried about the quality of XIII being compromised from it being multi-console. To be honest, I think that if you hypothetically took the finished PS3 product into an alternate universe where there is no X360, nobody would complain about poor quality. However, since it is multi-console, X360 and PS3 owners will both inevitably complain that the other system is making the game crappier for THEIR system.

With that been said, I don't think there will be any noticeable blemishes from the PS3 version of the game that is a direct result from the game also being on X360. I do hope that it features lossless audio, though.

Actually, according to some of the Japanese friends I've spoken to, that is one of the biggest reasons. The Japanese are not as accepting to foreign companies as Americans or Europeans. Honestly, I am surprised Apple is doing so well in Japan. If you actually take a look, the Xbox 360 has a much more impressive RPG lineup. A lot of the RPGs on the Xbox 360 are actually traditional Japanese RPGs. Frankly, I think Microsoft should just give up on Japan. Make the console available and market the games but they shouldn't go out of their way for the Japanese market. If the Japanese bite, great. If they don't, focus on the US and Europe. Europe is actually the fastest growing market right now. Japan is quickly falling as the gaming capital of the world.

I'm going to go ahead and end the night on that note. Going to bed before I collapse in front of my keyboard.

Oh I agree and I am grateful that games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey got developed for the 360 and you are right, they are japanese. I think they are the exception that proves the rule at the moment however.

And yeah Nationalism has a lot to do with it, but the fact that a good section of 360 games (and Xbox before it....track record means something) just aren't japanese in feel.

I think the 360 can become more multinational and I believe the console is making great gains across the board. Japan is just the toughest nut to crack. And even here, when I want what I would consider a "Japanese" game feel, whether my thinking and bias is justified or not, I look to my Sony and Nintendo systems not to my MS one.

That said, I love the individuality of the consoles and kind of dislike cross porting and development in that I don't want the Xbox 8 month development cycle FPS all the time and I don't want the Wii cutesy nonsense game all the time and I don't want the Sony 7 year wait for an epic all the time. I love the individuality of the three consoles that's why I have all 3. I hate to see all the downsides of each leak to the others. I have a waking vision of single EA console where Halo is the new mario and you can have any game you want as long as it's a sequal and a FPS.

BAD move IMO, they are just money hungry. look at Konami and MGS4, it cost them a pretty penny to make that game and they still stayed exclusive. FF should stayed exclusive as well. well anyways, they ARE NOT getting God Of War 3 hahahahah

BAD move IMO, they are just money hungry. look at Konami and MGS4, it cost them a pretty penny to make that game and they still stayed exclusive. FF should stayed exclusive as well. well anyways, they ARE NOT getting God Of War 3 hahahahah

I hate using the word fanboy, but this post comes across as extremely fanboyish, especially with the "...they ARE NOT getting God Of War 3 hahahahah" comment. Sounds like something a 10 year old would say in a fight over what system is better.

BAD move IMO, they are just money hungry. look at Konami and MGS4, it cost them a pretty penny to make that game and they still stayed exclusive. FF should stayed exclusive as well. well anyways, they ARE NOT getting God Of War 3 hahahahah


So Square-Enix is finally money hungry? Great, glad they've joined every other publicly traded company in existence. About time.

Yeah, I wouldnt say money hungry as much as I would say "Need Money".

They were aweful disloyal to the company that helped them when they needed it... after their "Spirits within movie" busted. Now the Playstation needs help, and Square has turned their back on them.

Well, whatever. If its a good game I will buy it. In the past, I would have bought it no matter what people said.

The thing I find weird is,

Square says...."We will start working on it when FFXIII-PS3 is done"
Then they say.."We dont know how many discs because we havent worked on it"
Then they say.."The game will be exactly the same"

Huh? How can you say that, if you havent worked on it?

I got to wonder... what kind of impact does this actually have? The game isnt coming out in the states until xmas 2010. Thats what?.... the 5th year for the xbox 360? Shouldnt a new Xbox be in the works by then?

What would be VERY interesting if this is actually a Launch title for the next MSFT console... that would be crazy.

yeah i hate it when people try to make a profit. i mean everyone i know turns down money all the time....... it is so weird how these billion dollar companies are making decisions without consulting the message boards to be sure they are making the right decision..

Yeah, I wouldnt say money hungry as much as I would say "Need Money".

They were aweful disloyal to the company that helped them when they needed it... after their "Spirits within movie" busted. Now the Playstation needs help, and Square has turned their back on them.

Well, whatever. If its a good game I will buy it. In the past, I would have bought it no matter what people said.

Promises, friendship and sworn loyalty are not a part of the equation. Not to Sony and not to the owners of one console. It never has been, and never will be. It is strictly business, not schoolyard drama. S-E's loyalty lies with their shareholders, just like any successful company should be. They made the move that they feel would encourage the company's growth.

As for loyal to the fans, why should S-E be any more loyal to PS3 owners than X360 owners? Both PS3 owners and X360 owners offer the exact same thing to S-E: "lolz we giv u moneys, u giv us game!" They aren't separate entities; they are simply two fractions of the consumer pool that S-E can potentially draw from. They aren't being any less "loyal" to PS3 owners. They simply wish to reach a larger audience. Again, it's strictly business, not schoolyard drama, but even if it was schoolyard drama, would you feel betrayed if one of your friends is also friends with one of your enemies? I wouldn't.

BAD move IMO, they are just money hungry. look at Konami and MGS4, it cost them a pretty penny to make that game and they still stayed exclusive. FF should stayed exclusive as well. well anyways, they ARE NOT getting God Of War 3 hahahahah

It's always a treat when the username is a perfect match for the post. :)

Promises, friendship and sworn loyalty are not a part of the equation. Not to Sony and not to the owners of one console. It never has been, and never will be. It is strictly business, not schoolyard drama. S-E's loyalty lies with their shareholders, just like any successful company should be. They made the move that they feel would encourage the company's growth.

As for loyal to the fans, why should S-E be any more loyal to PS3 owners than X360 owners? Both PS3 owners and X360 owners offer the exact same thing to S-E: "lolz we giv u moneys, u giv us game!" They aren't separate entities; they are simply two fractions of the consumer pool that S-E can potentially draw from. They aren't being any less "loyal" to PS3 owners. They simply wish to reach a larger audience. Again, it's strictly business, not schoolyard drama, but even if it was schoolyard drama, would you feel betrayed if one of your friends is also friends with one of your enemies? I wouldn't.

Corporate partnerships and building relationships are business practices. That is why Sony helped Square financially when Square needed it after their movie bombed.

Well, maybe they "Were" business practices.

I never cared about the FF series and this game is coming out fall 09 at the earliest

Wha....???????? playstation needs help?

who woulda thought it would be admitted?

J/K When you stand to make or lose millions, I can see how it would be easy to chose making money. Esp. when if you lose money, and had the opportunity to make it. SE has to look out for people they work for - investors

When you stand to make or lose millions, I can see how it would be easy to chose making money.

Hell, I think that's an easy choice even when it's NOT millions of dollars on the line.

Corporate partnerships and building relationships are business practices.

Which is exactly why S-E pursued a business relationship with Microsoft and their X-Box brand. They are not obligated to shun Microsoft, just because they deal with Sony.

FF13 sells out on Amazon Japan; Profiteers charge $150 for spare copies..

It looks like FF13 could be heading for some severe shortages in Japan and those who ordered early are set to profit from it.

A day before the game releases in Japan, Amazon Japan have closed down orders for Final Fantasy XIII, stopping anyone who hasn't already preordered from obtaining the game through them.

Already profiteers who ordered multiple copies of the game have seen their chance to sell the game for extra - and copies are selling for 13,500 Yen online. That's 4250 yen more than the standard retail price with tax.

That's 47 dollars more than the regular asking price and 150 US dollars! You can see the Amazon Japan listing here - those who speak the lingo will be able to see the game has been removed from further sale.

Square Enix is unlikely to have printed few copies of its biggest blockbuster, so it's likely demand for FF13 is far more than seen - meaning that FF13 could see PS3 sales rocket in Japan. Play-Asia recently told us it was their most preordered import title this generation.

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-444398.aspx

Damn, I have 1 more day to import the game AND learn Japanesse.... ;)

Can't wait for the game in NA

The FF XIII thread is here. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=909116)

The FF XIII thread is here. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=909116)

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