The 40 gig PS3 is going to be changed to 80 gig PS3 with I believe the same functionality and the same $399 price. Announced today.

Report from E308
"11:49 PST And, out of nowhere, Tretton announces Sony will introduce a new 80GB PS3 in September for just $399.99. He says the console will "have the same functionality as the 40GB PS3," perhaps hinting it may not have backwards compatibility. No word on what's happening to the 40GB model."

I wonder if they will ever make one that Bitstreams...

I wonder if they will ever make one that Bitstreams...

If they did that and set the PS3 up so that it could stream lossless audio then it would be the perfect center piece for you HT system. It is close enough that I will probably go ahead and get one.

By the way, the new 80g model will be available in Sep.

If they just make it bitstream all the lossless audio formats, I will definitely get one even if I've got a high-end stand-alone.

If they just make it bitstream all the lossless audio formats, I will definitely get one even if I've got a high-end stand-alone.

For the last time, bitstreaming is not needed unless you are dying to see your receiver say DolbyTrueHD or DTS-HD MA.

In fact it is more advantageous having the decoding done in the player since it can mix the main soundtrack and special features.

Get rid of the "slot loading" thing and give me a traditional drawer, and we'll talk..... well, probably not.

The size of the hard drive is probably the least important feature of a PS3. If a 40 is too small, then you're almost certainly using your PS3 in ways that will also make 80GB too small as well.

More important is the question of whether there's an architecture change in the new model that will let it run cooler, use less energy, and be cheaper for Sony to manufacture.

I would like to see an HDD-less "tuner" model so I can slap a 320GB in there (or just include teh best HDD available). About to upgrade my 60/160 to 320 anyways but still want another PS3 for the bedroom HDTV, as well. Hoping we get a satin silver so I can move my launch PS3 to the bedroom. I do want SACD and PS2 BC for the front room, though.

I could care less about bitstreaming as I have yet to see the need to upgrade a pre/pro beyond my Denon 4306. An external amp is a certainty at some point when my front projector / theater setup is complete...

Anyone care to guess the impact of this announcement on the price of the current 80 GB model?

For the last time Bitstream is needed if you want to be bale to take advantage of your newer receiver's sound modes... I don't just want Dolby TrueHD 5.1. I want to use all 7 of my speakers and sometimes certain titles do not allow that no matter what you do if the player (or PS3) does the decoding...

Thanks, Joe.:D

For the last time Bitstream is needed if you want to be bale to take advantage of your newer receiver's sound modes... I don't just want Dolby TrueHD 5.1. I want to use all 7 of my speakers and sometimes certain titles do not allow that no matter what you do if the player (or PS3) does the decoding...

Don't you have an Onkyo 885 Joe? My Integra 9.8 allows postprocessing of the PCM stream from the PS3. I get 7.1 out of 5.1 TrueHD and DTS-MA tracks on a regular basis.

Or do you have the 805? Can't remember... :o

Don't you have an Onkyo 885 Joe? My Integra 9.8 allows postprocessing of the PCM stream from the PS3. I get 7.1 out of 5.1 TrueHD and DTS-MA tracks on a regular basis.

Or do you have the 805? Can't remember... :oYes, Joe you can layer PLIIx or THX Utra2 on top of the PCM stream from the PS3.

Who cares about 80GB, just design one that looks more like it belongs in your home theater and not with your backyard BBQ.

Who cares about 80GB, just design one that looks more like it belongs in your home theater and not with your backyard BBQ.

I think the PS3 looks very sexy... I just love to slip my disc into it

If it outputs 7.1 analog for all the sound formats, than I would be very interested. I have a Denon 3801 that accepts the 7.1 analog inputs. Otherwise, I'm waiting for the Sony 550 blu-ray player.

Who cares about 80GB, just design one that looks more like it belongs in your home theater and not with your backyard BBQ.
What? You don't like toasting marshmallows over the current 80GB PS3?
--Bob

The size of the hard drive is probably the least important feature of a PS3. If a 40 is too small, then you're almost certainly using your PS3 in ways that will also make 80GB too small as well.

More important is the question of whether there's an architecture change in the new model that will let it run cooler, use less energy, and be cheaper for Sony to manufacture.

Yes and no. 80g and deleting is easier to manage then 40g. Less should or shouldn't I with 80g.

Who cares about 80GB, just design one that looks more like it belongs in your home theater and not with your backyard BBQ.

Right because we and everyone else looks at it all the time and not the movies or games...:rolleyes:

For the last time Bitstream is needed if you want to be bale to take advantage of your newer receiver's sound modes... I don't just want Dolby TrueHD 5.1. I want to use all 7 of my speakers and sometimes certain titles do not allow that no matter what you do if the player (or PS3) does the decoding...


That was corrected in FW 2.40/1 with DTS MA 7.1 tracks that weren't playing back correctly, like Shoot Em Up.
Unless you are talking about something else, the New Line titles that had issues have them no more.

Right because we and everyone else looks at it all the time and not the movies or games...:rolleyes:

You don't look at your PS3 the entire time it's playing a movie? If not, then you're missing out. :)

What? You don't like toasting marshmallows over the current 80GB PS3?
--Bob

I have a special Sony apron just for that purpose.

Does this mean only 2 USB ports? I just want 4 USB ports and a cooler chip.

I want the SACD capability of the current 80gb player. I suppose they'll simply stop making them and go with the "new" player as the only model.

Does this mean only 2 USB ports? I just want 4 USB ports and a cooler chip.

You can buy a USB hub for $10. I'm with you on the cooler/cheaper/smaller parts, though.

I want the SACD capability of the current 80gb player. I suppose they'll simply stop making them and go with the "new" player as the only model.

Is Sony supporting SACD on any of their other current equipment? Do any of the standalone BD players support SACD?

Good points. Yes 2.41 did correct the 'issues' but there were some titles that could not be matrixed into 7.1 from 5.1. And yes I am using the 885 pro in my set up. It is better now but I still would love for them to make a PS3 that has the capability to Bitstream. If they did then it would be over. :D

whats the big deal?? its the current 40gb ps3 with a bigger hd.

That was corrected in FW 2.40/1 with DTS MA 7.1 tracks that weren't playing back correctly, like Shoot Em Up.
Unless you are talking about something else, the New Line titles that had issues have them no more.

The 2.41 update corrected Shoot Em Up for me, however The Condemned still plays 5.1; all of my other 7.1 discs play as 7.1 now though :)

Is Sony supporting SACD on any of their other current equipment? Do any of the standalone BD players support SACD?

I haven't really looked into other Sony products, but I don't think their stand alone BD players offer SACD. I have one SACD player at the moment and I would like a backup player. The fact that the 80gb player also does SACD would have killed two birds with one stone. I know there are other SACD options, but it was nice to think I could get a BD player and an SACD player all at once. Oh well.

If they did that and set the PS3 up so that it could stream lossless audio then it would be the perfect center piece for you HT system. It is close enough that I will probably go ahead and get one.

IT Can do lossless audio.

I don't know why people seem hung up on bitstreaming HD-MA. All bitstreaming does is takes away the ability for you to mix different audio sources (menus and movie, etc). Seriously, when bitstreaming you have LESS functionality.

Also, this isn't analog audio, and the HD-MA/etc HD audio codecs are very well defined. Pretty much everything decodes HD-MA to PCM flawlessly.


The only reason I could see wanting bitstreaming is if your AVR doesn't properly handle PCM. In that case you should be looking at replacing the flawed AVR, not the PS3.

For the last time Bitstream is needed if you want to be bale to take advantage of your newer receiver's sound modes... I don't just want Dolby TrueHD 5.1. I want to use all 7 of my speakers and sometimes certain titles do not allow that no matter what you do if the player (or PS3) does the decoding...

THats a defective receiver. Not a PS3 problem. If you're receiver can't use soundmodes on PCM, its not a modern functional receiver.

IT Can do lossless audio.

I don't know why people seem hung up on bitstreaming HD-MA. All bitstreaming does is takes away the ability for you to mix different audio sources (menus and movie, etc). Seriously, when bitstreaming you have LESS functionality.

Also, this isn't analog audio, and the HD-MA/etc HD audio codecs are very well defined. Pretty much everything decodes HD-MA to PCM flawlessly.


The only reason I could see wanting bitstreaming is if your AVR doesn't properly handle PCM. In that case you should be looking at replacing the flawed AVR, not the PS3.

I know that I like the sound when my AVR does the decoding and I would like to have the option of A/B testing with the PS3 to see if there is a difference.

THats a defective receiver. Not a PS3 problem. If you're receiver can't use soundmodes on PCM, its not a modern functional receiver.

No, nothing is wrong with his AVR. It has to do with the way the studio recorded the movie. From my understanding when PCM is used there are a few (around 5) movies that only play 5.1 when it should be 7.1. If the audio was sent bitstream it would not be a problem. The AVR would then put out 7.1 sound.

For the last time Bitstream is needed if you want to be bale to take advantage of your newer receiver's sound modes... I don't just want Dolby TrueHD 5.1. I want to use all 7 of my speakers and sometimes certain titles do not allow that no matter what you do if the player (or PS3) does the decoding...


joerod,

With my 805 and PS3, I have never had a problem layering DPL2x or THX Ultra Cinema2 over the 5.1 HDMI bitstreamed signal.

Other than the few 7.1 dts HDMA tracks that were carrying a non-standard channel mapping, I can't think of titles with a problem.

I know that I like the sound when my AVR does the decoding and I would like to have the option of A/B testing with the PS3 to see if there is a difference.

There is no difference in the decoding. Either they're exactly the same, or one is doing it wrong.

They may sound different, but thats more in the way the AVR handles things, and the different pathways it uses.

No, nothing is wrong with his AVR. It has to do with the way the studio recorded the movie. From my understanding when PCM is used there are a few (around 5) movies that only play 5.1 when it should be 7.1. If the audio was sent bitstream it would not be a problem. The AVR would then put out 7.1 sound.


In this specific instance, its an issue with the DISC, not an issue with the player. It is showcasing a shortcoming of his AVR though.

In this specific instance, its an issue with the DISC, not an issue with the player. It is showcasing a shortcoming of his AVR though.

If I remember correctly it did the same thing for all AVR's. As I said it was not a problem with the AVR, it was a problem with how the recording was made, but from my understanding the problem would not show up if bitstreamed.

THats a defective receiver. Not a PS3 problem. If you're receiver can't use soundmodes on PCM, its not a modern functional receiver.


Right. Any decent receiver can do BM and surround modes to the PCM. I am a regular user of either 7Ch Stereo (for music) or 7.1 "Widescreen" with my Denon 4306, as well as the standard PLIIx overlay, level adjustments and bass manamgement on any 5.1+ PCM stream from my PS3.

No, nothing is wrong with his AVR. It has to do with the way the studio recorded the movie. From my understanding when PCM is used there are a few (around 5) movies that only play 5.1 when it should be 7.1. If the audio was sent bitstream it would not be a problem. The AVR would then put out 7.1 sound.

Since the last software release, there is now only 1 movie with that problem.

For the last time, bitstreaming is not needed unless you are dying to see your receiver say DolbyTrueHD or DTS-HD MA.

In fact it is more advantageous having the decoding done in the player since it can mix the main soundtrack and special features.

I'm sorry Craig, but I must DISAGREE.

TrueHD decoded to PCM on my PS3 and sent to my Onkyo 805 doesn't sound nearly as good as TrueHD bit streamed from my XA2 and decoded by my 805. Same holds true if I set the XA2 to do PCM. It just doesn't sound quite as good.

My guess is that Audyssey has something to do with it.

I haven't really looked into other Sony products, but I don't think their stand alone BD players offer SACD. I have one SACD player at the moment and I would like a backup player. The fact that the 80gb player also does SACD would have killed two birds with one stone. I know there are other SACD options, but it was nice to think I could get a BD player and an SACD player all at once. Oh well.
me, too, on the SACD issue.

I would love to have a PS3 which played SACD (over HDMI) but I don't want to have to buy the most expensive model to do it.

I've tried finding discontinued models that included SACD playback, but the prices don't seem to drop very far.

There have been a lot more AVR issues with lossless audio decoding (especially DTS HD MA) issues than PS3 issues.

But at least it's really easy to update reciever firmware.

Oh, wait.

Personally, I'd rather wait the few weeks it takes for Sony to address issues than unhook everything, hook up my backup receiver, and take my receiver to the local shop (some people might have to mail their unit or drive hours) and wait a day (for some people weeks) for them to upgrade the firmware so that I can swap it back in.

I just want 4 USB ports

I'm sorry Craig, but I must DISAGREE.

TrueHD decoded to PCM on my PS3 and sent to my Onkyo 805 doesn't sound nearly as good as TrueHD bit streamed from my XA2 and decoded by my 805. Same holds true if I set the XA2 to do PCM. It just doesn't sound quite as good.

My guess is that Audyssey has something to do with it.

This is why I wished that the PS3 could bitstream. I would like to A/B test it myself so that I would know what sounds best with my equipment. I know that if all things are equal it should be the same, but all things are not equal.

I'm sorry Craig, but I must DISAGREE.

TrueHD decoded to PCM on my PS3 and sent to my Onkyo 805 doesn't sound nearly as good as TrueHD bit streamed from my XA2 and decoded by my 805. Same holds true if I set the XA2 to do PCM. It just doesn't sound quite as good.

My guess is that Audyssey has something to do with it.

Well, all of the soundfields can be applied to the PCM signals. The Audyssey system has nothing to do with where the signal is decoded into PCM.

Could be due to level matching. Some bump the PCM volume on their PS3s up one notch due to a difference in loudness where the track is decoded. Typically users say PS3 PCM levels are lower.

As far as your comparison above between the PS3 PCM and XA2, unless you are comparing identical tracks (ie. apples to apples) it means little. Your XA2 bitstream vs. XA2 PCM is a more believable comparison if you are using the same disc.

PS3 will most likely never bitstream. In fact content providers prefer the decoding is done in players for mixing audio with other features. Decoding was put into receivers to add to their preceived value. Unless you are transferring the signal extreme distances where jitter can destroy the signal, advanced audio codecs decoded to PCM from the player are identical to advanced audio codecs decoded to PCM at the receiver.

Loudness is typically misinterpreted for better sound. Could just be the gain is set higher on the output of the receiver decoder.

I just want 4 USB ports

Get a USB hub. $10 if you shop around.

I'm sorry Craig, but I must DISAGREE.

TrueHD decoded to PCM on my PS3 and sent to my Onkyo 805 doesn't sound nearly as good as TrueHD bit streamed from my XA2 and decoded by my 805. Same holds true if I set the XA2 to do PCM. It just doesn't sound quite as good.

My guess is that Audyssey has something to do with it.

Your receiver can apply Audyssey to any input (except the multichannel analog inputs). But not if you're using a "pure" or "direct" mode.

You really should take care to make certain that the receiver is set up identically -- which is tricky, as these AVRs have myriad adjustkments, each customizable per input -- for each source before trying to compare them. The trickiest adjustment is level-matching, which must be done with an SPL or the entire comparison is rendered useless. Even a small difference in overall level -- 1dB, which most people won't even perceive as an overt difference -- is enough to make one sample sound "better" than another to a majority of listeners in double-blind tests. Even if the samples are otherwise exactly the same.

Get a USB hub. $10 if you shop around.

I woudln't mind a USB port or two or four in the rear of the chassis, where things could be better hidden away. Especially chargers, etc.

There have been a lot more AVR issues with lossless audio decoding (especially DTS HD MA) issues than PS3 issues.

But at least it's really easy to update reciever firmware.

Oh, wait.

Personally, I'd rather wait the few weeks it takes for Sony to address issues than unhook everything, hook up my backup receiver, and take my receiver to the local shop (some people might have to mail their unit or drive hours) and wait a day (for some people weeks) for them to upgrade the firmware so that I can swap it back in.

Not with my 3808 :)..........I'm gonna wait for a stand alone that bitstreams and is very close to $200........... Can't think of a movie I have to see in HD for me to pay these ridiculous prices IMO. Well maybe LOTR Trilogy in DTS HD/MA:D My A35 does just fine for me till then.

I woudln't mind a USB port or two or four in the rear of the chassis, where things could be better hidden away. Especially chargers, etc.

So put the hub behind the PS3. :p

So put the hub behind the PS3. :p

Using something like this (http://www.tripplite.com/products/product.cfm?productID=2562) might not be a bad idea to do just that. At least you keep the lines clean...

Not with my 3808 :)..........I'm gonna wait for a stand alone that bitstreams and is very close to $200........... Can't think of a movie I have to see in HD for me to pay these ridiculous prices IMO. Well maybe LOTR Trilogy in DTS HD/MA:D My A35 does just fine for me till then.

I remember when we used to be able to buy new-release DVDs three for a dollar. The only problem is that all the retailers who were doing those promotions lost their shirts and went out of business.

Likewise, using the low prices of HD-DVD players as a benchmark for HD player is sort of unrealistic. The entire format that those players were designed for went under, and Toshiba lost billions by underwriting those low prices.

I'd rather see BD stay alive as a niche format then die in the mass market. I hope it doesn't come to that, but meanwhile $300 for a player is reasonable. And $300 for a PS3 is a steal.

Are there any rumors of improved networking?

Thanks,

Bob.

Are there any rumors of improved networking?

Thanks,

Bob.

What improvements are you looking for? I wouldn't mind better browser functionality, but it's never going to be as good as a laptop, so it's no big deal to me.

What improvements are you looking for? I wouldn't mind better browser functionality, but it's never going to be as good as a laptop, so it's no big deal to me.

I've only had my PS3 for about 2 weeks. When I first set it up, it took more than 2 days to update the unit via wireless 802.11 G with a signal strength anywhere between "no connection" to a signal of 80%. The signal is not constant. My laptop can receive a reliable signal outside the house twice the distance the PS3 is. A wired connection is not an option. An update to the "N" standard would be favorable.

Bob.

Who cares about 80GB, just design one that looks more like it belongs in your home theater and not with your backyard BBQ.
I think the Ps3 look nice :o
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/ironmike86/DSC06052.jpg

What improvements are you looking for? I wouldn't mind better browser functionality, but it's never going to be as good as a laptop, so it's no big deal to me.

I wish the PS3 supported Flac and the PS3 needs better taging and sorting for streamed music. If you have a huge library of music it is not the best for organization.

I've only had my PS3 for about 2 weeks. When I first set it up, it took more than 2 days to update the unit via wireless 802.11 G with a signal strength anywhere between "no connection" to a signal of 80%. The signal is not constant. My laptop can receive a reliable signal outside the house twice the distance the PS3 is. A wired connection is not an option. An update to the "N" standard would be favorable.

Since many other people (including me) have no issues with PS3's wifi performance, one must question whether it's a design issue.

I wish the PS3 supported Flac and the PS3 needs better taging and sorting for streamed music. If you have a huge library of music it is not the best for organization.

I agree. But that could be fixed in a firmware update; no need for new hardware. New hardware could have the same lame functionality, in fact.

Are there any rumors of increased blu-ray drive functionality? i.e.., are they making one that lasts more than three F'in months???

*my crapped out in Mar 08 and again in Jun 08, bought in Nov 07. P.O.S.

Since many other people (including me) have no issues with PS3's wifi performance, one must question whether it's a design issue.

I agree. I just bought an 80GB model the other day, and when I connected it wirelessly to my router it downloaded a pretty substantial update with no problems whatsoever.

Will the newer 80 gig ps3 have any newer/different audio / video chipsets than the current 40 gig model?

Ask again later. The future is cloudy.
--Bob

I just want one that has true PS2 backwards compatibility. I'd probably buy one if that would happen.

I just want one that has true PS2 backwards compatibility. I'd probably buy one if that would happen.

Why not buy an original 60 gig model?

I just want one that has true PS2 backwards compatibility. I'd probably buy one if that would happen.

Yeah, they already have those.

I just want one that has true PS2 backwards compatibility. I'd probably buy one if that would happen.

PS2 games look the best they ever have on backward compatible PS3s, with upscaling and smoothing.

Is that done through the PS3 actually having PS2 hardware or through software emulation?

Is that done through the PS3 actually having PS2 hardware or through software emulation?

The original PS3 sku's.....20g and 60gb models had PS2 hardware inside them, both the Emotion Engine CPU and Graphic Synthesizer (EE+GS). This gave them something 98% compatibility with PS2 games.

The current 80gb model (such as the one featured in the MGS4 bundle) lacks the Emotion Engine but retains the Graphics Synthesizer. The EE is emulated via software; this results in about 80% or so compatibility with PS2 games.

The 40gb and soon to be released 80gb do not have any PS2 hardware. They can not play PS2 games at this time, and it is unclear if that functionality will ever be added via software emulation.

The 60 gig actually has the hardware. The 80 gigs use have emulation doing half the work.

The current 80gb model (such as the one featured in the MGS4 bundle) lacks the Emotion Engine but retains the Graphics Synthesizer. The EE is emulated via software; this results in about 80% or so compatibility with PS2 games.

Does anybody know of any substantial titles that don't work on the 80gig model? I know you can type in a title at the website and see the compatibility, but I'm more interested in a list of games that do not work, and if any heavy-hitters are on it.

Ugh... I'd kinda base the idea of buying a PS3 on being able to still play all my PS2 favorites. I could sell off my PS2 and use that to offset the PS3's cost.

Is the used market the only way to get a 60GB with the EE and GS?

Is the used market the only way to get a 60GB with the EE and GS?


Yes. The 20gb model also features the EE+GS, but lacks a built in wireless network adapter and memory card readers.

Never owned a PS3 so any help is appreciated. :)

The recently announced new pricing structure for the PS3 means there will be two PS3 models, all the same specs and hardware except hard drive capacity. Am I understanding this correctly?

Current $399 40 gb model will be $299.
Proposed 80 gb will be $399.

So the "new" 80 gb model will lack these features from the current $499 80 gb model:
- minus two USB ports
- minus card reader
- minus PS2 compatibility
- minus SACD support

PS2 & SACD are not important to me (I don't game and I have an SACD player).

Additional USB ports are a simple addition of a USB hub if/when needed?

Will the PS3 recognize any/all universal card reader via USB? Or must I get the PS3 branded USB card reader?

One last thing: any recommendation on the most stable and reliable PS3 compatible wireless keyboard brand & model?

Thanks. :)

The 40gb is getting phased out. The 80gb will be the new 'budget' model, there's rumors of a new 'elite' model with a larger HDD (probably 120), but no clue about what it will have/be missing. Sony's said their done with PS2 BC, so it'll probably just be the current 40/new 80 with a larger hard drive. Nothing's official, though.

Ugh... I'd kinda base the idea of buying a PS3 on being able to still play all my PS2 favorites. I could sell off my PS2 and use that to offset the PS3's cost.

Is the used market the only way to get a 60GB with the EE and GS?

The Kmart by me has a brand new in the Box 60 gig. They still want $499 for it though:rolleyes:

They would charge more if they could. I'm sure you could scoop that up and make a profit on ebay.

They would charge more if they could. I'm sure you could scoop that up and make a profit on ebay.

More than $500? Serious? If that's the case I will....

The Kmart by me has a brand new in the Box 60 gig. They still want $499 for it though:rolleyes:

I would go for it. I have some relations out that way... where in Utah?

I would go for it. I have some relations out that way... where in Utah?

Layton. I was in there about one month ago and there she was. I offered them $399 but no go.....

Never owned a PS3 so any help is appreciated. :)

The recently announced new pricing structure for the PS3 means there will be two PS3 models, all the same specs and hardware except hard drive capacity. Am I understanding this correctly?

Current $399 40 gb model will be $299.
Proposed 80 gb will be $399.

So the "new" 80 gb model will lack these features from the current $499 80 gb model:
- minus two USB ports
- minus card reader
- minus PS2 compatibility
- minus SACD support

PS2 & SACD are not important to me (I don't game and I have an SACD player).

Additional USB ports are a simple addition of a USB hub if/when needed?

Will the PS3 recognize any/all universal card reader via USB? Or must I get the PS3 branded USB card reader?

One last thing: any recommendation on the most stable and reliable PS3 compatible wireless keyboard brand & model?

Thanks. :)
The 40g will not drop down in price to $299. They will stop selling the 40g and replace it with the 80g for $399.

Since many other people (including me) have no issues with PS3's wifi performance, one must question whether it's a design issue.

he's not the only one. many people (including me) have issues with the internal wireless. a usb wireless adapter has been a godsend to me.

Has anyone heard if the new 80 gb will come with SIXAXIS or DS3?

Amazing that people focus on HD size, hell, you can buy a 320 gig internal drive (laptop) for $120 right now.

We need 65 nm on the full PS3.

I just bought the current 40 gig 65nm to replace the older 60 gig 90 nm in my baseman. The unit is fundamentally quieter down there. Moved the 90nm up into my bonus room (that’s usually 15 degrees hotter than my basement) and it’s been screaming like a banshee (aka fan noise) and probably raises the temperature another 10 degrees.

Has anyone heard if the new 80 gb will come with SIXAXIS or DS3?

Nothing concrete, but I can't imagine them not packing in the DS3.

he's not the only one. many people (including me) have issues with the internal wireless. a usb wireless adapter has been a godsend to me.

What wireless usb adapter are you using? I've been thinking of trying the Linksys WGA600N. Has anyone had success using this gaming adapter? It's on sale at CC this week.

Bob.

Ability to use an IR remote (w/o an adapter) would be nice!

Has then been any new information on the new PS3/price drop? I am considering getting one if the price drops. Will the new 80G GB have the new 65nm processor?

What wireless usb adapter are you using? I've been thinking of trying the Linksys WGA600N. Has anyone had success using this gaming adapter? It's on sale at CC this week.

Bob.

It should work flawlessly. You may need a PC to set it up with the WEP/WPA settings first, though. The ethernet-wifi adapters really are the best way to add wireless to anything as they will just plain work. The PS3 will just assume it has a wired connection; it's that seamless.

Ability to use an IR remote (w/o an adapter) would be nice!


I'd much rather see AVR and HDTVs and projectors coming with bluetooth, as it's superior in every way, but given the intertia this is probably inevitable. Logitech and the rest of the aftermarket would follow once even just the HDTV guys started doing that... both of them are so cheap so I'd expect overlap for awhile... but I would jump to that pretty fast, even though I'm happy with my HDTV and AVR.

I hope they can get SACD back in even without PS2 capability (though i want that, too). And put some USB ports (at least 1 or 2) on the back. Firewire would be grand, but I can't imagine them seriously doing that.

Just thought I'd post this (http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/143692.asp) for those who were under the impression there would be two new SKUs next month. It looks like there will only be one (which is pretty much what they intimated at E3).

Not sure why people were under the impression that there would be two models since there was never any indication that there even might be.

Just thought I'd post this (http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/143692.asp) for those who were under the impression there would be two new SKUs next month. It looks like there will only be one (which is pretty much what they intimated at E3).

Not sure why people were under the impression that there would be two models since there was never any indication that there even might be.

Because in the past when Sony dropped the price on a SKU, a new 'better' one replaced it at the old price point.

Still under the impression there will be two 80GB SKU's this year;)

I have a hard time believing that Sony is ditching BC for PS2 games. Is there still a chance that software emulation might be added in the future?

There's always a chance that they could add software emulation in the future. It all depends on whether or not they think that it is worth their while: they currently have a booming business in PS2s, and seem to be happier to sell a second console than something with backwards compatibility.

Yeah my launch PS2 is still chugging along though haven't plugged it in since moving. PS2 BC was much more important to me a couple years ago, but I honestly haven't played a PS2 game in quite some time. Still, I believe in the old adage "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it."

SACD is much more important to me at this stage, as are the extra USB ports and card reader, which is m uch handier than I was expecting it to be.

Has anyone heard if the new 80 gb will come with SIXAXIS or DS3?

The box during the E3 conference had the DS3 logo like the MGS bundle does so I'd bet for sure with a DS3.

Sixaxis is discontinued IIRC.

i hope they have better fans in the new SKU's.. mine always kicks up to 2nd speed in 30 minutes time.

Ability to use an IR remote (w/o an adapter) would be nice!

Amen to that. I don't see it happening though. It may seem simple and stubborn, but Sony's lack of IR support (what would it cost to include, 2 bucks) is the only reason that a PS3 is not in my rack.

i hope they have better fans in the new SKU's.. mine always kicks up to 2nd speed in 30 minutes time.Boo-hoo. :) Mine goes to 3rd in < 5 minutes. And I live in Canada--room temperature is 70 degrees.

That's what you get for being an early adopter I guess...

Amen to that. I don't see it happening though. It may seem simple and stubborn, but Sony's lack of IR support (what would it cost to include, 2 bucks) is the only reason that a PS3 is not in my rack.

That seems a bit...lazy.

I have a hard time believing that Sony is ditching BC for PS2 games. Is there still a chance that software emulation might be added in the future?

There's a slim chance that when the PS3 hits a price point that's attractive to the average user it'll have software PS2 BC going. Until that time I think Sony are happy to keep selling PS2s to the masses.

That seems a bit...lazy.

Lazy?

Or maybe I don't feel that I should have to shell out 60+ bucks for an aftermarket solution for an a-typical design.

I did say that it was somewhat stubborn on my part, but hey if Sony want to be different, I can support or oppose that with my consumer dollars.

Lazy?

Or maybe I don't feel that I should have to shell out 60+ bucks for an aftermarket solution for an a-typical design.

I did say that it was somewhat stubborn on my part, but hey if Sony want to be different, I can support or oppose that with my consumer dollars.
Isnt there an IR USB dongle for like 10 bucks? And it is your choice just like its Sony's choice to not include IR. I dont think you not buying a PS3 is going to make or break Sony

Lazy?

Or maybe I don't feel that I should have to shell out 60+ bucks for an aftermarket solution for an a-typical design.

I did say that it was somewhat stubborn on my part, but hey if Sony want to be different, I can support or oppose that with my consumer dollars.

Yeah, lazy. As in too lazy to use the PS3 controller/bluetooth remote.

That's fine if you don't want to buy a USB dongle, but one question: does this have anything to do with shelling out $250+ for a universal remote that you can't use with the PS3? For something as unimportant as IR to prevent your from purchasing a PS3 is odd at the least. Seems like maybe you should get your priorities straight.

Yeah, lazy. As in too lazy to use the PS3 controller/bluetooth remote.

That's fine if you don't want to buy a USB dongle, but one question: does this have anything to do with shelling out $250+ for a universal remote that you can't use with the PS3? For something as unimportant as IR to prevent your from purchasing a PS3 is odd at the least. Seems like maybe you should get your priorities straight.

Yes, I have a Harmony remote, I didn't pay $250 for it, and it allowed me to get rid of 5 other remotes. The only reason I would buy a PS3 would be for watching blu ray movies, and perhaps my son and I would play games on it at some point. So if I'm only buying it for movies, couldn't I just buy a stand alone player and use my Harmony remote. Another poster had mentioned that maybe Sony would add IR support, and I agreed with him, that is all.

Seems like maybe you should get a job at the Sony store.

I'm done.

I'd much rather see AVR and HDTVs and projectors coming with bluetooth, as it's superior in every way, but given the intertia this is probably inevitable.

Seconded. I HATE needing line-of-sight to work components with IR.

Who cares about 80GB, just design one that looks more like it belongs in your home theater and not with your backyard BBQ.
Try standing your grill on its side.

Seconded. I HATE needing line-of-sight to work components with IR.

THIRD, FOURTH, FIFTH AND SIXTH.

The days of requiring line of sight are finally on the decline and I must say I am very pleased. If we can only get everyone else onboard.

Try standing your grill on its side.

Don't feed the trolls. ;)