is there a document out there that helps with claibration of dvdo edge (green)?

Loved my original Edge. Power supply went out last night (Merry Christmas!?!)

Not sure whether to replace with Edge Green, Duo or some kind of Radiance product.

Kind of excited to have a reason to buy some new gear actually...

How long did it last before the power supply failed?

I was one of the original beta testers, August 2008 I believe?

I'm going to wait to see if I win a particular auction on a similar device before I go back to DVDO (or whoever they are now) and start asking about how to replace it..

I own an Edge 101 (since Sep. 2010) and am quite happy with it. I'm looking to get a backup, since I see they frequently fail. There are several new/used Greens on eBay and several used 101s. Aside from the missing front-panel HDMI input, the different remote, the lower power consumption, and the different firmware, does anyone know of a significant difference between the two models? Different firmware could be just for the missing input. What about the chip? The 101 uses ABT 2010 chip. Does the Green have a different chip? Any different functionality? Have the reliability issues of the 101 been addressed in the Green? Or is it basically the exact same VP with 9 inputs instead of 10? Any insights would be appreciated.

Well, I called and Ken picked up. He was the one I had received a single email from before requesting the specifics of my issues. When I responded, I never heard anything back.

So today, he had me check my firmware and he informed me that 1.60 was not the most correct version so I updated 1.60->1.62. So far, I have not had any audio dropouts (in the last few mins) but I recall before when I was trying to troubleshoot this issue when I would do a reset or switch between 1.51 & 1.60 the problem would go away for a while but then come back.

Here is a description of my problem again since it was months back when I posted about this before:

Random audio dropouts on bitstream audio (DD, DTS). The dropouts go away when I switch to MPCM. Obviously not all my sources can decode the audio and send MPCM (DirecTV, Roku) so I have been bypassing the DVDO completely with digital audio cables.

It will probably take a few days for it to manifest itself if the audio dropouts issue is still there so I will update with my progress.

I am really hopeful I can get this unit working as advertised because it has never worked 100% since day one.

Well since the new fw, the audio dropouts have continued. Any bit streamed audio is likely to have issues. At first it seemed better but it is back to consistent audio dropouts on DD, DTS audio over HDMI. There are some workarounds but most inconvenient. I am able to get stable audio from my Roku2 (no S/PDIF output) by running HDMI into the DVDO and using the to toslink output. That means I have to go into the Edge settings and switch inputs on my pre/pro if I want to use my BD player for hi Rez audio.

I wish there was a way to get this working as advertised. I am sure this same issue effects all bitstream audio but I can only test DD,DTS because I have HDMI v1.1.

I don't expect them to ever solve the drop out issue on this unit. Mi e seem better after every update, but a power cycle or two on the Edge and dropouts are back in full force. I also find my Roku2 useless when running through my Edge. I just don't have the energy to bypass the Edge and go straight to the receiver for the Roku. :(

I don't expect them to ever solve the drop out issue on this unit. Mi e seem better after every update, but a power cycle or two on the Edge and dropouts are back in full force. I also find my Roku2 useless when running through my Edge. I just don't have the energy to bypass the Edge and go straight to the receiver for the Roku. :(

Which sucks because the DVDO makes the Roku2 look much better. I was mad Roku dropped the S/PDIF output on the Roku2 XD. I did find one work around for DD from Amazon VOD on the Roku2. Using the toslink audio output on the Edge, it seemed to cure the dropouts on DD but I did not have much time to test. It is still not elegant.

Have you ever sent your unit in for service? I am going to give it a try and see if they fix it. He seemed confident that there is a hardware issue with my unit that they can fix or replace. I don't care which I just want a working product.

Which sucks because the DVDO makes the Roku2 look much better. I was mad Roku dropped the S/PDIF output on the Roku2 XD. I did find one work around for DD from Amazon VOD on the Roku2. Using the toslink audio output on the Edge, it seemed to cure the dropouts on DD but I did not have much time to test. It is still not elegant.

Have you ever sent your unit in for service? I am going to give it a try and see if they fix it. He seemed confident that there is a hardware issue with my unit that they can fix or replace. I don't care which I just want a working product.

I sent that an email, but if course they never replied. I would certainly consider returning it if it wasnt too expensive to get repaired. Ive had mine for a few years so I doubt they would fix it for free.

If you're interested, here's what a 240p signal looks like on the Edge GREEN:
http://pms.hazard-city.de/edge_green_240p.mov
At the end of the video, it looks like you enable Game Mode, and then the 240p signal displays correctly. Is that correct?

The other way around. Otherwise it wouldn't be a problem after all.

Which sucks because the DVDO makes the Roku2 look much better. I was mad Roku dropped the S/PDIF output on the Roku2 XD. I did find one work around for DD from Amazon VOD on the Roku2. Using the toslink audio output on the Edge, it seemed to cure the dropouts on DD but I did not have much time to test. It is still not elegant.

Have you ever sent your unit in for service? I am going to give it a try and see if they fix it. He seemed confident that there is a hardware issue with my unit that they can fix or replace. I don't care which I just want a working product.

By the way, let me know who to contact if you get a hold of someone to get a repair. I have tried a few times to get in touch with DVDO. I would really appreciate it.

I think the end has come for all the dvdo gear.
Simplaylabs can't be bothered and doesn't seem to offer the Edge on their site anymore.
Got one, but don't like it much: the VP's had more options.
Got both a VP50 and a VP50 Pro, will be happy to send the latest (last!) firmware builds if you need it.
Anyway, if you need your Edge repaired contact the USA rep, he's a nice guy:
Ken Nguyen <Ken.Nguyen@siliconimage.com>
You must use your local rep if you're outside the USA.
If you can't find your local company, I'm sure Ken will direct you.

Simplaylabs can't be bothered and doesn't seem to offer the Edge on their site anymore.
they just put the DVDO units onto their own (old) website: http://www.dvdo.com/ .

Any chance for another round of EDGE -> iScan Duo trade-in/upgrade deal from DVDO?

I received my Edge from being repaired. It was gone for about 2 months by my estimate but maybe longer. I was able to get from Ken that the technicians were able to reproduce the issue which is great news. I know it takes extensive testing to recreate it.

They did repair it but did not provide any notes for us to read about the work that was done, only that there was repairs done. So I will update with my results on the audio dropout issue with bitstream audio. It sometimes takes a week or more to show up so it may be awhile but I will definitely update either way.

I am glad that they stood behind the product and did the work on it. They are definitely not freezing out owners of the original Edge. I consider this top notch service even though it was a lengthy process.

Loved my original Edge. Power supply went out last night.They repaired mine also. It took about a month overall. No charge.

Fantastic news to you both! I wonder if a future firmware update is in store, or if there is some hardware problem particular to specific unfortunate units? I know that for their older VP30 when I asked if it supported 1080p60 passthrough, I was told, "some units do, some units don't. The VP30 was never designed for 1080p input, so we cannot guarantee performance with a 1080p60 input. However we have had reports from some VP30 owners there is worked, and for others it did not." I wonder if the dropout issue is likewise based on an unfortunate combination of manufacturing tolerances? I'd love to read an "official report." Not sure why they're always so secretive about it. Oh well.

Do keep us posted on your post-service experience! :)

..dane

I just got a PHD-8VX, which looks like it does some of the same things the Edge does, but it's quite a bit cheaper. I have a couple issues with my unit, but I've had PHD items in the past, and the support has been really good. The same guy answers all my emails, and the phone, he picks right up, no automated phone system. I know the Edge has a better processor, and may look into getting one if my issues with the 8VX can't be resolved, but $499 is a bit steep for my old HD CRT. I just thought I'd pop in and give a heads up, as I haven't seen the 8VX mentioned in this thread since I started following it.

Des the Prime box support priority-based automatic input switching? I've been looking for YEARS for a less-expensive media switch that has the DVDO's user-customizable priority input switching. I really like the that Prime box has so many analog audio inputs. That's a complaint I have with both DVDOs that I have (VP30 and Edge)- only one set of analog audio inputs. I have a significant amount of legacy source equipment that does not have digital audio. But the automatic input switching is a very high priority for both of my installations..

..dane

Des the Prime box support priority-based automatic input switching? I've been looking for YEARS for a less-expensive media switch that has the DVDO's user-customizable priority input switching. I really like the that Prime box has so many analog audio inputs. That's a complaint I have with both DVDOs that I have (VP30 and Edge)- only one set of analog audio inputs. I have a significant amount of legacy source equipment that does not have digital audio. But the automatic input switching is a very high priority for both of my installations..

..dane

No, at least not yet. I'd contact epvision and request it.

A quick history of my experience with the company, I bought their original PHD-101 HD tuner box back in 05 or 06, and had quite a few things that I didn't like, but most were probably solvable via firmware. I wrote up a huge review and things to change and sent it to them. They fixed a couple of the very obvious bugs via firmware, and didn't really hear back for a while. Then one day the new version just showed up at my doorstep, the PHD-200. Turns out they added me to their beta test group and sent me free of charge the new model. It fixed alot of the complaints I had about the first, but still had a few quirks.

Here's the 8VX thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1205954
and direct to my post with pictures of the internals
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21722451#post21722451

If you do contact them, more than likely you'll talk to a guy named Allen. I know the ABT chip in the DVDO is probably a better upscaler, but the ATI chip in the 8VX seems to do a good job (given I've never used an ABT, and the 8VX is hooked up to a 30" HD CRT, so the scaler probably doesn't matter all that much). If they can fix my complaints about the color (I don't want it messing with color), then I'll be very happy 8VX owner.

If you do end up getting one, it's a few bucks cheaper through their ebay store than direct from their website. I think the ebay price is something like $165.

Things that make you go 'Hmm', is it just me, or is the ABT2015 eval board strikingly similar to the back panel of the Edge Green?

http://www.sequoia.co.uk/components/product.php?d=1&c=21&f=136&p=1372&fmt=grid

http://www.sequoia.co.uk/components/images/product/1788

And the back of the Edge Green:
http://www.dvdo.com/images/dvdo/dvdo_prod_edgegreen_lg.jpg

Granted, the Edge Green has audio, but still interesting. I wonder how much an eval board is?

Well seeing as the evaluation board comes with a DVDO remote I would say the money is on the button:rolleyes:

Since the internal code name for EDGE was Whirlwind, I'd say the answer is right on the eval board...

I am interested in picking up an Edge or Edge Green. I am confused to which is better. Does the original use better components than the Green? Any help would be appreciated.

I am interested in picking up an Edge or Edge Green. I am confused to which is better. Does the original use better components than the Green? Any help would be appreciated.

I don't know which one is better but I had a chance to purchase either one and went with the older model because it has an HDMI input under the front area which I thought might come in handy someday. The Green as implied by the name should be more energy efficient. I really like the Edge and am especially happy with the HDMI audio output that allows me to use my AVR only when I want to and just use my TV speakers for general viewing like the evening news. When I want to watch a movie then I can turn on the AVR and let 'er rip. I have tried a number of HDMI matrix switches and splitters and none of them works as well as the Edge in this regard.

I don't know which one is better but I had a chance to purchase either one and went with the older model because it has an HDMI input under the front area which I thought might come in handy someday. The Green as implied by the name should be more energy efficient. I really like the Edge and am especially happy with the HDMI audio output that allows me to use my AVR only when I want to and just use my TV speakers for general viewing like the evening news. When I want to watch a movie then I can turn on the AVR and let 'er rip. I have tried a number of HDMI matrix switches and splitters and none of them works as well as the Edge in this regard.

Thanks for the reply. I am leaning towards the original myself. I like the idea of the front hdmi. Can plug my laptop right in.

Is the original Edge still available new? Doesn't seem to be listed on their site.

Is the original Edge still available new? Doesn't seem to be listed on their site.

Haven't seen any new, just refurb.

I might be putting a used one up in the classified section here pretty soon...

;)

PQ of what? HD, no.

Recently my Edge has begun the annoying habit of losing track of the configured output format and it defaults to SXGA (IIRC - bottom choice) and so I have to switch into safe mode & manually fix it. On occasion it will also lose track of the brightness & hue setting for Input 1 & set them to +32.

Has anyone else seen this behavior? Is there an easy fix? Is this a sign that my Edge is failing?

Thanks for any tips anyone can offer.

Is there a way to stop this apparent signal drop/re-sourcing when I change from a 576i source to a 1080i source for example - for what it's worth both output 1080p?

What I mean is .. after watching that first channel and changing to the other channel it drops the signal, shows a green flash and then regains the signal of the new channel.

Note that it does not happen when changing from one SD channel to another SD channel (or from HD to HD channel).

add: this is what it shows when switching between SD to HD. It's not long but annoying enough to hopefully someone knowing a 'fix' for it?

Green/Solid = Unknown/Unsupported Signal Received

Is there a way to stop this apparent signal drop/re-sourcing when I change from a 576i source to a 1080i source for example - for what it's worth both output 1080p?

What I mean is .. after watching that first channel and changing to the other channel it drops the signal, shows a green flash and then regains the signal of the new channel.

Note that it does not happen when changing from one SD channel to another SD channel (or from HD to HD channel).

add: this is what it shows when switching between SD to HD. It's not long but annoying enough to hopefully someone knowing a 'fix' for it?

Green/Solid = Unknown/Unsupported Signal Received

I don't think there is any "fix" as this is normal. With HDMI anytime you change the input resolution there will be a brief interuption in the HDMI "handshake" and the DVDO will relock on the new resolution and complete the "handshake".

The only way I know of to eliminate this is set your cable/satelite box to a fixed resolution - 1080i

barry

Just hook up the Edge Green this weekend. I am surprised how much better it made the HD channels of Fios look. I have a question. When I enable game mode on my PS3 I get strange screen tearing or smearing when outputting 1080p for the PS3. Once a game boots up and switches to 720p the tearing goes away. Is this normal or is the Edge malfunctioning?

I don't think there is any "fix" as this is normal. With HDMI anytime you change the input resolution there will be a brief interuption in the HDMI "handshake" and the DVDO will relock on the new resolution and complete the "handshake".

The only way I know of to eliminate this is set your cable/satelite box to a fixed resolution - 1080i

barry

Ok thanks, don't think I want it to do that.. rather leave Edge to do any conversion etc. I'll live with the little relock delay.

Ok thanks, don't think I want it to do that.. rather leave Edge to do any conversion etc. I'll live with the little relock delay.On my Green, to get respectable channel switching on native with DirecTV, I have to leave auto frame lock (or whatever it's called) off. Everything that might help HDCM is on and no issues changing resolutions - always have to force a relock when going from DVR to live though.

Is the Green anymore available?

Is the Green anymore available?

Sure. Why wouldn't it be? Google is your friend:
http://www.google.com/search?q=dvdo+edge+green&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=#q=dvdo+edge+green&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=shop&ei=aiSGT9SMJsyTtwfErMTzBw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=6&ved=0CDEQ_AUoBQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=83ec0cc01db0c140&biw=1755&bih=941

After watching a recent video review of the DVDO edge green on an online tech show, I am interested in exploring further on this device.

I have last year's model marantz av processor ($1500 price point) which I believe has some sort of built in video processing. It has two HDMI outputs which goes to my TV and projector.

I recently signed up with DirecTV and view HD (and SD) shows.

Question: Is anyone processing DirecTV signal through this unit and can provide feedback of its quality - in particular of the SD shows?

Also, in general, is the quality of video processor built into a $1500 receiver on par with a $500 DVDO edge green - or - should I expect to see results exceeding the AV processor from this DVDO unit?

thank you.

Also, in general, is the quality of video processor built into a $1500 receiver on par with a $500 DVDO edge green

I would say that is about right. VP processors are commodity chips now.

I use it with DirecTV. Not much is going to help SD with them, it's pretty horrible. I like it with their HD though - didn't expect to see any difference, but it's subtly more involving to me ... a smoother more cohesive image (pro calibrated sammy plasma.) Most noticeable on good quality stuff like HBO scripted dramas, which usually have very nice photography. This as compared to letting the display do the scaling/deinterlacing. I'm sure it would look the same through he receiver, but then you have to deal with whatever lame setup issues they laid on top of the chip.

I use a Marantz SR7005 as an audio pre-pro and it has the same chip as the Edge Green. Difference is going to be implementation. If you're going to sell a box with the same chip as a receiver you better do something, so what you get is a bunch of settings you won't have on a receiver (don't know about a pure pre-pro.) One example with the 7005, if I'm reading the manual right, is you have to manually select 1080/24 every time you want it. That's stupid, and probably a Marantz thing, but with the Edge, no worries.

The way I run it, with video bypassing the receiver, you have to run a second HDMI to the display to have your OSD from the receiver - so you have to change inputs at display to see it. Seems odd at first, but once it's setup, not a big deal (maybe a bigger deal if you can't see the receiver/pre-pro since then you wouldn't have a realtime volume indicator.)

I'm sure someone could tell you what chip you have, they all have different characteristics, but they're mostly fine. The only thing that really differentiates them is upconverting DVD. It's nice though, with Direct's nice HD image, to be able to run native and let the Edge take care of everything.

The way I run it, with video bypassing the receiver, you have to run a second HDMI to the display to have your OSD from the receiver - so you have to change inputs at display to see it. Seems odd at first, but once it's setup, not a big deal (maybe a bigger deal if you can't see the receiver/pre-pro since then you wouldn't have a realtime volume indicator.)

Another option is to run your receiver output back to the edge and switch outputs on the edge for OSD.

barry

Another option is to run your receiver output back to the edge and switch outputs on the edge for OSD.

barryI tried that with another receiver that was just an HDMI repeater, and it wasn't happy at all. Repeaters are notorious for HDMI issues though, so that was probably the problem. Haven't tried it with the Marantz yet, so I probably should, I really hate the sammy remote, especially in the dark.

thank you for the feedback. I will experiment with the AV's built in processing first - just to see what it does though I'm strongly leaning towards a dedicated device such as the DVDO edge for processing. The price point of $500 seems reasonable.

sounds something like if I wanted gps features, most smart phones have that built-in and can do an adequate job, a standalone gps device offers more features.

FYI - for those interested:

Currently, there's a $100 off promotion going on for the edge green.

There's also a $200 off promotion going on for the DVDO iScan duo

FYI - for those interested:

Currently, there's a $100 off promotion going on for the edge green.

There's also a $200 off promotion going on for the DVDO iScan duo

Link?

Didn't see anything on dvdo.com

I would say that is about right. VP processors are commodity chips now.

Curious on what you think of the Onkyo 709 chip which uses qdeo compared this..? Few comments I found appear to say it's better.

hi, i dodn't know what happened, but while working all the time the dvdo now has a problem with my ps3. it is connected using a hdmi cable. now every few seconds the sound disappears and suddenly comes back. but every few seconds- all other sources attached to the edge don't have this problem. a new hdmi cable didn't help. when i attach the ps3 directly to the av receiver (yamaha 663) everything works (except for 3d which is annoying).
any suggestions?
thank you
jochen

Did you try putting the PS3 on a different input on the Edge? Maybe the input port has a problem or the Edge needs a reset.

did try another hdmi in, but didn't try a reset. do you think that might help? thank you

If the ps3 doesn't work properly on an any input but your other devices do work on the same inputs seems unlikely the Edge is at fault. Try powering down and unplugging the power from the Edge for 5 or 10 minutes then checking it again. Maybe check the output settings on ps3 and the input settings on the Edge. If you do reset or re-flash either the ps3 or the Edge make note of your settings.

I get strange video noise over my Edge every once in awhile when changing channels on my cable box and I have to power down the Edge just with the remote for a few seconds and it solves the problem. Sometimes when a device is left on all the time it will get a little squirrely.

Good luck.

found the problem: i installed a hdmi cable between my avr and tv to be able to use the menu on the lcd screen. after i unplugged this cable, everything worked again. so i leave the cable unplugged and only plug it in if i have to adjust settings in the avr, which fortunately is a thing i rarely need to do. thank you for your ideas!

Awesome, glad you figured it out.

I'm thinking of getting an Edge Green. But first, I'd like to make sure I can do some things with it.

1.) I want to use its independent variable zoom feature to vertically stretch a Blu-ray stream so as to eliminate the black bars in a 70mm feature film. The OAR of the film is 2.21 ... not 2.35/2.39. So my projector's standard setting for 'Scope stretch is too much. I want to use the Edge to do a custom vertical stretch, and then use my variable stretch anamorphic lens to do the appropriate horizontal stretch.

2.) I'd like to feed 1080p/24 to the Edge from my Panasonic BD50 and then have the Edge feed that same rate to the projector. But I think, in order to do that, the Edge will have to be in some sort of "forced 24" mode since my projector (IN78) may not properly signal it's ability to handle 1080p/24 even though it can.

Any feedback from you fine folks will be appreciated.

I can only speak to situation #2. You can lock the output to 1080p/24 for an individual input which should take care of one of your requirements.

Thanks.

Looking for a way to disable the GUIDE- its appearances top and bottom when you're inside the menu are a problem when setting zoom/pan: you cant see the effect!
It also handles safe mode on/off, don't really understand the duplicity...

I've been pestered by my player loosing contact to the scaler: removing a bd leads to "Not supported" on my Samsung TV, green screen etc.
Have to replug the power to the scaler to resume operation...
By pure luck I found all the issues are gone when using HDMI-2 on the BDP-93.
Can't really explain this...
Anyone?

I have the original Edge and recently it will not detect any components plunged into the HDMI inputs, the HDMI output works fine and it will switch when I use the composit input. When I try to use the HDMI inputs the light turns Red. Any suggestions/

Does anyone know if there is a way to set the Edge to output 480p/576p dependent on whether that particular input is receiving 480i/576i?

I prefer the scaling of my display (doesn't add ringing like the Edge does), but want to use the deinterlacing of the Edge, but I can't find an option to get this to work (it probably doesn't exist, but thought I'd ask here in case there's a workaround).

At the moment selecting 480p output appears to be forcing 480p resolution even when the Edge is receiving 576i. 480p at 50Hz is obviously an invalid framerate/refresh rate combination and results in a black screen.

I've got the 1:1 framerate option switched on, as I don't want any framerate conversion going on, but I would have thought that the Edge would be intelligent enough to know that 576i input should equal 576p output even when 480p is selected as the output resolution (the same happens when selecting 576p output - 480i input equals 576p output at 60Hz = black screen).

Any suggestions?

I have the original Edge and recently it will not detect any components plunged into the HDMI inputs, the HDMI output works fine and it will switch when I use the composit input. When I try to use the HDMI inputs the light turns Red. Any suggestions/
I'd try resetting the Edge first. Do make sure to note all your settings as you'll need to reenter them all which is rather annoying, but...

I was having a variety of startup problems where the Output format was changing and sometimes the Brightness & Hue were going to +32 at power up. After resetting the Edge it's been smooth sailing since...