Would it be worth getting a DVDO Edge in my situation?

Here is my setup:

Tivo series 3 Via HD-Comcast
Oppo DV970HD
Onkyo 875
Sony KP-57WS520 (http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KP-57WS520-57-Inch-HD-Ready-Projection/dp/B0002S9FHE)57-Inch Hi-Scan 1080i HD-Ready Projection TV

After owning the Onkyo for a couple months I can say the Reon seems to be useless. SD/DVDs look like utter crap. I suspect the real problem is my TV though, it was a first gen HD model and people are saying the gun size can't even produce a true 1080i image. So should I just deal and skip the DVDO Edge until I get a better TV?
the edge is perfect for "HD ready" displays of any kind.

then again, a better display will always pay dividends.

depends on both how wedded you are to the display (including how much work you have done to get it settled in the context of your entire system) as well as how much you might benefit from the edge's other features: once again, i remind everyone even if you weren't a highly critical picture-quality perfectionist, it's a pretty awesome AV hub (with an included universal remote no less) that just happens to eliminate entire classes of video artifacts very effectively and effortlessly.

Hi, got my Edge today and I've encountered a problem. I am able to connect my HTPC to the Edge just fine at 1080i (no sync issues as reported by others on this thread), but the colors look all wrong. Everything is *very* washed out. There is some major, I guess you'd call it white crush. And some colors just look wrong - for example, parts of the blue background on Windows Media Center 2005 look green.

The video chain looks like so: HTPC->Component->DVDO->HDMI->HDFury2 (http://www.curtpalme.com/HDFury2.shtm)->RGB->RPTV
Same results if the last RGB is changed to component: HTPC->Component->DVDO->HDMI->HDFury2->Component->RPTV

If I take DVDO out of the chain, everything looks fine again. This includes both:
HTPC->Component->RPTV
HTPC->Component->Denon3808->HDMI->HDFury2->Component->RPTV

The color adjustment settings available through the nVidia control panel are all set to their default position. I can tweak them and sort of improve the picture a bit, but there's no making it look normal. Reducing brightness does not bring back the detail that was lost.

I'm at a loss for other things to try. Anyone have any ideas? I'm waiting on a DVI->HDMI cable to arrive, so maybe not using component will help, but I'm not holding my breath.

Anyone else have similar issues with HTPCs and DVDO?

Thanks,
Joe

Hi, got my Edge today and I've encountered a problem. I am able to connect my HTPC to the Edge just fine at 1080i (no sync issues as reported by others on this thread), but the colors look all wrong. Everything is *very* washed out. There is some major, I guess you'd call it white crush. And some colors just look wrong - for example, parts of the blue background on Windows Media Center 2005 look green.

The video chain looks like so: HTPC->Component->DVDO->HDMI->HDFury2 (http://www.curtpalme.com/HDFury2.shtm)->RGB->RPTV
Same results if the last RGB is changed to component: HTPC->Component->DVDO->HDMI->HDFury2->Component->RPTV

If I take DVDO out of the chain, everything looks fine again. This includes both:
HTPC->Component->RPTV
HTPC->Component->Denon3808->HDMI->HDFury2->Component->RPTV

The color adjustment settings available through the nVidia control panel are all set to their default position. I can tweak them and sort of improve the picture a bit, but there's no making it look normal. Reducing brightness does not bring back the detail that was lost.

I'm at a loss for other things to try. Anyone have any ideas? I'm waiting on a DVI->HDMI cable to arrive, so maybe not using component will help, but I'm not holding my breath.

Anyone else have similar issues with HTPCs and DVDO?

Thanks,
Joe

What resolution are you outputting from EDGE to your screen? If it's a native XGA/SXGA/WXGA resolution, then with the production release software, EDGE automatically outputs PC RGB levels.

ok I am going to ask this one last time!
Is there not anybody on this forum who has seen what a flea can do to already superclean HD sources?! and NO I am NOT talking about any cleaning up or noise reduction at all! and I dont know exactly how it does it but it makes the picture get fantastic depth.

and if you have do you know if this EDGE can do that?!
seems nobody is that impressed by the EDGE so I guess its NOT a budget flea?

i still can't figure out what "positive effects" could come from a flea on a "superclean" hd source. :confused:

the only thing i can think of that you might be talking about is removing film grain from a hd source? i wouldn't look at that as a positive, but it's the only thing that i can think of that you might be referring to?

Maybe he can post before and after flea pics. Or maybe he's talking about his dog.

What resolution are you outputting from EDGE to your screen? If it's a native XGA/SXGA/WXGA resolution, then with the production release software, EDGE automatically outputs PC RGB levels.

HTPC -> DVDO is 1080i60
DVDO -> TV is also 1080i60

Cancel that last above! I came home and moved some wires and rerouted things and all problems are gone. The Flea and Edge communicate fine. If that changes I will re-post. As I said, I use the Flea for noise reduction and the Edge for everything else and the effect is amazing on SatTV.

I've been using the FLEA with my EDGE for a while now with zero problems. Plus I run my components going to the FLEA through an HDMI switch first. The connection has always been rock solid.

i still can't figure out what "positive effects" could come from a flea on a "superclean" hd source. :confused:

the only thing i can think of that you might be talking about is removing film grain from a hd source? i wouldn't look at that as a positive, but it's the only thing that i can think of that you might be referring to?

I only use my FLEA on broadcast sources. I don't use mine on HD DVD or BD since one, it really doesn't need it and two, the FLEA can't handle 1080P60 so when the BD player jumps between 1080P24 and 1080P60 it wouldn't be able to work properly with the FLEA.

I only use my FLEA on broadcast sources. I don't use mine on HD DVD or BD since one, it really doesn't need it and two, the FLEA can't handle 1080P60 so when the BD player jumps between 1080P24 and 1080P60 it wouldn't be able to work properly with the FLEA.

this i can understand (the broadcast source)... what i can't seem to figure out is the op seems to be implying that "superclean hd sources" (by which i assume he means HD media) are somehow improved by the flea...

I have been saying this for years, the flea is FANTASTIC! it gives a depth to the picture that is like nothing else! and its got more to do with its detail enhancment and contrast boosting then anything else. and there is so many that thinks that HD-DVD and BD cant look any better but the better the source is the bigger difference the flea does! basically everybody should have one!
I cant afford one but I am looking around for a used one here in sweden.

Apparently he does not even have a flea:confused:

I know this is not really the place to ask this but, here goes anyway. What is the real availability of an HDMI Flea?

The Flea sounds like just what I need sitting between my Tivo HD in native mode and my DVDO Edge. Having gone up to a 73" display, broadcast sources need all the help they can get. I don't find the noise reduction in my Edge or my Mits very useful.

DVD, BD, and HD discs all contain data in a compressed format like MPEG-4. It is thus possible to get noise artifacts when playing back discs even if the picitures look fantastic. I cannot speak from experience here, but it is certainly possible that the Flea is improving HD or BD inputs. It does clean up SAT and OTA pictures quite a bit and if you are careful not to overdo it (eg. turn up the noise reduction too much) there seems to no loss of resolution or sharpness nor are shadows and ghosts produced. The Flea is effective at removing mosquito noise without introducing visible or annoying artifacts.

We need some additional data points here. I will soon get a 1080p projector and I will try it and see if the Flea makes any difference on hi-res video sources. I willl report back. It would be useful if some other people reported their actual experience. I wouldn't dismiss the Flea's usefulness out of hand.

The Edge is still a much more holistic solution than a Flea. It addresses almost all the issues most users would want out of a VP. It is not intended for ultra-videophiles. The remote is amazingly good.

I know this is not really the place to ask this but, here goes anyway. What is the real availability of an HDMI Flea?

The Flea sounds like just what I need sitting between my Tivo HD in native mode and my DVDO Edge. Having gone up to a 73" display, broadcast sources need all the help they can get. I don't find the noise reduction in my Edge or my Mits very useful.

Contact Algolith for direct sales, they still have some legacy product. Or advertise here in classified, Videogon, Audiogon etc. I'll bet very few are willing to give up their Flea.

I just moved from vp30 to Edge.
With the VP30 I had a way to get the vertical bars on each side of the screen to be black (when A/R set to 4X3). With Edge what I get is a kind of light gray, which I find annoying.
Any way to fix this?

I just moved from vp30 to Edge.
With the VP30 I had a way to get the vertical bars on each side of the screen to be black (when A/R set to 4X3). With Edge what I get is a kind of light gray, which I find annoying.
Any way to fix this?

I noticed this too but after a few seconds it goes to black.

I just moved from vp30 to Edge.
With the VP30 I had a way to get the vertical bars on each side of the screen to be black (when A/R set to 4X3). With Edge what I get is a kind of light gray, which I find annoying.
Any way to fix this?
uh, i really thought the 4:3 pillar box bars on the edge *were* supposed to be black? they sure seem to be on mine anyways.

I just moved from vp30 to Edge.
With the VP30 I had a way to get the vertical bars on each side of the screen to be black (when A/R set to 4X3). With Edge what I get is a kind of light gray, which I find annoying.
Any way to fix this?

Would you be using a Panasonic BR player by any chance? If so turn off the screen saver function in the menu. The masked area should now be black.

Howdy Folks.....I'm very interested in getting one of these but I find the size adjustment on my Lumagen HDP to be very useful on my Dwin CRT and I can't ascertain if the Edge has this capability. In the manual it has Zoom adjustments but I'm not sure exactly what this is and if if would servr as a size adjustment.

Anybody know about this?

Would you be using a Panasonic BR player by any chance? If so turn off the screen saver function in the menu. The masked area should now be black.
no, just watching TV.

Does anyone know how zoom percentage translates in real world aspect ratio (1.33, 1.55, 1.66, 1.78, 1.85, 2.35)
Thanks

I got my DVDO Edge a week ago at a fair price. I was initially really impressed with the design, quality, remote control (fabulous), features and processing ability (Noise reduction - NOT so much). A few little warts have diminished my joy over this unit. I am really hopeful that I just have a lemon or that a firmware update will fix these niggly problems.

(1) My HTPC looses connection after a few minutes and I have to reset the DVDO to lock on to it again. I'm running NVidia 8800GT at 1080P. Setting it to 1080i fixes the problem but I shouldn't have to do that especially if I'm running 1080P content. Interesting that zooming in the NVidia display panel prevents the dropped connection, but you shouldn't really have to do that, plus I really like the pixel by pixel mapping when possible.

(2) Running the PS3 or new Pannie BD35 Blu-Ray - I get little white sparkles on the screen. The severity varies with the detail setting. Still there in Game mode so there's more to it.

(3) Feeding the sound to my Logitech 5500 speakers via the optical out results in gravelly sound with intermittent stuttering. Quite annoying and quite unlistenable.

Needless to say, none of these 3 things occur when the DVDO is out of the loop. I was using a 4x2 HDMI switcher from Monoprice before with zero issues.

Has anyone else experienced any of these issues. I really hope they can be remedied as I really really like this equipment.

I've only had my edge setup for a few hours but as for your 2nd question I don't have any sparkles with a ps3

I got my DVDO Edge a week ago at a fair price. I was initially really impressed with the design, quality, remote control (fabulous), features and processing ability (Noise reduction - NOT so much). A few little warts have diminished my joy over this unit. I am really hopeful that I just have a lemon or that a firmware update will fix these niggly problems.

(1) My HTPC looses connection after a few minutes and I have to reset the DVDO to lock on to it again. I'm running NVidia 8800GT at 1080P. Setting it to 1080i fixes the problem but I shouldn't have to do that especially if I'm running 1080P content. Interesting that zooming in the NVidia display panel prevents the dropped connection, but you shouldn't really have to do that, plus I really like the pixel by pixel mapping when possible.

(2) Running the PS3 or new Pannie BD35 Blu-Ray - I get little white sparkles on the screen. The severity varies with the detail setting. Still there in Game mode so there's more to it.

(3) Feeding the sound to my Logitech 5500 speakers via the optical out results in gravelly sound with intermittent stuttering. Quite annoying and quite unlistenable.

Needless to say, none of these 3 things occur when the DVDO is out of the loop. I was using a 4x2 HDMI switcher from Monoprice before with zero issues.

Has anyone else experienced any of these issues. I really hope they can be remedied as I really really like this equipment.
I got home from work today and played some more with my new Edge. I am pleased to say that my problems have been largely resolved. I changed an HDMI cable, moved some other ones around and reseated all of them. Presto! All the signals are now clean and the optical out to my Yamaha amp sounds great! That is a really great way to start this weekend. My first impressions are now reaffirmed insofar as the quality, design and function. Great job DVDO! Great product! Great price!
Still need to resolve the dropped PC connection with my NVidia @ 1080P. I'm sure a firmware update will resolve it one of these days. No biggie.

Still need to resolve the dropped PC connection with my NVidia @ 1080P. I'm sure a firmware update will resolve it one of these days. No biggie.

You probably need to tweak the output settings for 1080p on the card. I forget exactly what it is because I don't use an HTPC, but IIRC there's an issue where 1080p60 isn't exactly the same as "video" 1080p60 and it needs changing.

A couple of screen shots using the Edge... :) Also a pic of my current equipment I am using with the Edge...

breaking out the christmas flicks a little early this year joe? ;)

I was reviewing the new Sony so I figured whynot? :D

joerod - have you had success using an htpc with the edge? I am using a mac mini with a dvi to hdmi cable and I get occasional drop outs on the video signal.

I got home from work today and played some more with my new Edge. I am pleased to say that my problems have been largely resolved. I changed an HDMI cable, moved some other ones around and reseated all of them. Presto! All the signals are now clean and the optical out to my Yamaha amp sounds great! That is a really great way to start this weekend. My first impressions are now reaffirmed insofar as the quality, design and function. Great job DVDO! Great product! Great price!
Still need to resolve the dropped PC connection with my NVidia @ 1080P. I'm sure a firmware update will resolve it one of these days. No biggie.

When I saw your first post, my thought was that the sparklies were being caused by an HDMI cable. One or more of your cables might be a little too long or not quite up to 1080p. Try taking them out of the loop until the problem goes away altogether, then replace the offending cable. I had a similar problem with DVI cables some time ago. Heavy duty HDMI cables from Monoprice have caused no such issues.

Does the edge have a color bars test pattern for calibration or any test patterns at all?

Does the edge have a color bars test pattern for calibration or any test patterns at all?

No.

@joerod:
any testing of 480i material from the 5000ES using the Edge for deinterlacing and upscaling would be highly appreciated !

No.

Not with the current production firmware.;):)

Not with the current production firmware.;):)

LOL... Unfortunately... the current production firmware is all I have to base my response on... Im sure a beta tester could comment.. or perhaps one just did :D

I think it's pretty well known that there are test patterns in there, but they're not supported or anything and need custom IR codes to get it to show them. You'd have to beg DVDO to get them I suspect.

I think it's pretty well known that there are test patterns in there, but they're not supported or anything and need custom IR codes to get it to show them. You'd have to beg DVDO to get them I suspect.

Good things come to those who wait ;)

Is there a schedule for the release of the next public firmware? Just curious if we are talking days, week or months...

Thanks and regards, Peter

I was wondering if there are any users out there that use the EDGE on a smaller TV like 32-37" 1080p?

I have read some past messages where these sort of scalers/processors really only benefit larger TV's. Is this true?



Thanks! :)

I was wondering if there are any users out there that use the EDGE on a smaller TV like 32-37" 1080p?

I have read some past messages where these sort of scalers/processors really only benefit larger TV's. Is this true?



Thanks! :)

It probably would benefit but the question is whether you could see it. I suppose it depends on how close you sit. If you have the space, save the money for a bigger TV.:)

Hi Guys,

Would DVDO Edge perform better in upscaling than the Onkyo TX-SR876 with Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX-50 chipset ? Any idea ?

Hi Guys,

Would DVDO Edge perform better in upscaling than the Onkyo TX-SR876 with Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX-50 chipset ? Any idea ?

I would say... Yes. My 875 has been relieved of its Video duties. The 875 Reon implementation has issues including colorspace problems and Onkyo really doesnt seem to care. I expect the 876 has the same. The Edge is much much faster at switching inputs and resolutions and looks GREAT.

Reon=ever so slight advantage with video deinterlacing performance for 480i/1080i. I can't tell the difference with programming but there's a slight improvement with Reon in the Jaggie test patterns on the HQV discs.

Reon=very small advantage in scaling, but only visible with test patterns.

ABT/DVDO Edge=significant improvement in speed at which film cadence is acquired with both 480i/1080i film sources.

ABT/DVDO Edge=excellent switching/hub and no colorspace errors.

I still have Reon (Integra 9.8) available anytime and I have switched often for video sources to see if I could see any real performance difference. I can't. OTOH, the difference for film sources is easy to see. Reon loses lock on the cadence commonly which produces noticeable jerkiness whenever this happens. No such problems with the Edge. So, practically speaking, the DVDO edge wins for me.

I would say... Yes. My 875 has been relieved of its Video duties. The 875 Reon implementation has issues including colorspace problems and Onkyo really doesnt seem to care. I expect the 876 has the same. The Edge is much much faster at switching inputs and resolutions and looks GREAT.

Thank you scsiraid & thank you cpcat. I actually like the Edge very much i can see the Edge upscales SD format sources very nicely & adds lots of details. But i have been having trouble with making the Edge to work with my Home theater computer & watching internet based overseas TV so that's why i am checking to see if Reon chip can do the same job. I have followed the instruction from Sam Dav but still not luck. I am not sure whether the upcoming firmware can fix my HTPC problem or not.

My EDGE arrived yesterday, and all my sources are connected to it. Currently I'm using it mainly as a hub—the processor is on Auto Select, essentially a pass-through setting. That may come in handy when (if) I add Blu-ray, since the 1080p–24Hz would be passed to my just-calibrated Pioneer Elite PRO-111, which accepts 24Hz.

The big test will be when I put laserdiscs through with the Edge's processing engaged. Last night, I did watch some of the animated Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and a Santana concert (Sacred Fire). They didn't look much different on Auto Select than they do straight to the 111. One important factor was the ability to adjust aspect ratio, which came in handy on both as I was able to fill the screen and eliminate black bars on the Batman disc (though there was a 1-inch frame all around the image with some crawl at the side edges), and fill the screen completely for Santana (at the cost of part of some captions at the bottom of the screen).

More later.

Auto Select, essentially a pass-through setting. That may come in handy when (if) I add Blu-ray, since the 1080p–24Hz would be passed to my just-calibrated Pioneer Elite PRO-111, which accepts 24Hz.

It is not a pass-through setting. Auto Select will identify the 'preferred' input resolution (1080p60) of your Pio and remain fixed at at that resolution. If you want 1080p24 output from the EDGE, you will need to manually select it in the Output Format menu.

FYI, you can also use 1080p24 output for film-based DVDs.

is anyone using the algolith flea with the edge? i think i saw a few pages back that aaronwt was, anyone think there may be a distinct advantage there or is the NR enough on the edge?

is anyone using the algolith flea with the edge?

:eek:

is anyone using the algolith flea with the edge? i think i saw a few pages back that aaronwt was, anyone think there may be a distinct advantage there or is the NR enough on the edge?

I believe aaronwt is.

So what?

Kung Fu Panda!!! :)

I am going to re-read this thread but I wanted to ask a question on cable box video input from my motorola 6416 box from Shaw cable here in canada.Shaw cable up here runs an compressed analoge and digital signal side by side on there cable feeds so older TV's can still get cable.Mind you I have digital signal feed for all channels on my digital box.I have currently my box set up for 480i for sd channels and hdmi 1080i for hd channels going into my Sony SXRD 60 inch TV.
Will the edge do a better job on SD picture quality if I change my SD setting to 480P and even if I change my HD to 720P for input into the edge?
I see there is an ongoing discussion on the ins and outs of scaling a interlace signal versus Progresive which is confusing to say the least but at a basic level in theory is a progressive signal a better choice for input?I will obviously use 1080P as output since my TV accepts that, and is its native resolution.

Kung Fu Panda!!! :)

thats great joerod but show us some pictures from some movies other than animated ones.

also, what makes the edge a better buy than the vp50pro?

I am going to re-read this thread but I wanted to ask a question on cable box video input from my motorola 6416 box from Shaw cable here in canada.Shaw cable up here runs an compressed analoge and digital signal side by side on there cable feeds so older TV's can still get cable.Mind you I have digital signal feed for all channels on my digital box.I have currently my box set up for 480i for sd channels and hdmi 1080i for hd channels going into my Sony SXRD 60 inch TV.
Will the edge do a better job on SD picture quality if I change my SD setting to 480P and even if I change my HD to 720P for input into the edge?
I see there is an ongoing discussion on the ins and outs of scaling a interlace signal versus Progresive which is confusing to say the least but at a basic level in theory is a progressive signal a better choice for input?I will obviously use 1080P as output since my TV accepts that, and is its native resolution.
I have a 6416 box that is connected to the edge. The SD- pic quality on my 720p panasonic was dramatically improved after i started using the edge.

YMMV

What are the range of secret patterns?

Have the remote codes been posted for accessing the test patterns?

I will be calibrating a new Sony HW10 very soon, and I would love to use the EDGE patterns instead of the GetGray disc.

Is there a schedule for the release of the next public firmware? Just curious if we are talking days, week or months...

Thanks and regards, Peter

I have been asking this question for a while now, but no one ever answers it... I'm sure they would, if they could.

Joe...... or any other of you folks with Edge experience.

Question............

Several of the programs I watch via my DTV HR20-700 HD-DVR are on the SciFi channel which is now in HD. However, these programs (old Stargate SG-1 and the like) were originally shot in letterbox. Now that they are being shown on HD-TV's 16x9 format they are letterboxed and pillerboxed.... I have found that if I use the Edge's Zoom capability that adding 30% to both Horizontal and Vertical fills the screen quite nicely....

However, when I switch to any other channel then I have to reset the zoom settings.......

Is there a way that you folks have found to "save" or memorize these zoom settings such that they can be quickly (one button push would be nice) applied???

As the settings seem to be "per input" rather than per signal (I have the DTV box set on Native and all resolutions selected), and these zoom setting will not work for most of the programming on this TV input...... I wondered if you folks had discovered this issue and found a work-a-round??

I haven't seen such a save feature Steve.

I would be nice if the remote control's bottom format buttons could be programmed and saved for quick setting changes.

Good things come to those who wait ;)


Hummmmm... What makes me think that if I PM'd you and asked really nicely, that somehow these IR codes would magically appear in my in-box??? ;)

A_C

Will the edge do a better job on SD picture quality if I change my SD setting to 480P

Probably 480i but is there some reason you don't try it and see?

Waiting... One of my cult favorites. :D

HiHoStevo, I have note really encountered the letterbox issues because I have the carada Masquerade. I am spoiled so when I have a program with it I just engage the Masquerade to cover the above and bottom bars. I will play around with it later and see if there is a work-a-round.

also, what makes the edge a better buy than the vp50pro?

you are kidding, right?

for me - the extra 2 large in my pocket. getting perhaps 80-90% of the 50pro's functionality for 30% of the price? ;)

for the same money, sure, give me the Pro. No one has said the Edge is better - just "as good" for many applications. If you need a feature that is only on the Pro, you need the Pro (or a Lumagen) - if not, the Edge is the obvious choice.

Perfectly put. :) ^^^

billdag,
I received my edge a couple weeks ago and am having similar problems.

1. I cannot get my HTPC to work through the Edge at any HDTV resolution set in the nVidia control panel. The PC video card is a nVidia 7600GT with HDMI and works fine when connected directly to my Samsung DLP via HDMI or DVI. In trying to set it up I first connected the HTPC direct to Samsung DLP, set the resolution to 1080p and then used "Resize HDTV Desktop" to eliminate the desktop overscan. Ok that works great, then I connect the HTPC to the Edge. After the HTPC boots through the Edge, initially the picture is fine but when I try to run a program or browse with IE, the Edge will lose lock, flash blue screens and the front panel LED goes red. All I can do at this point is turn off the HTPC.

2. My Sony DVP-CX995V DVD Changer works fine when connected directly to my Samsung DLP via HDMI but will not work at all through the Edge. It appears to be processing the DVD video because the front LED is steady blue but the Edge only outputs a black screen. The Edge information screens show that the DVD video is being processed. I have tried setting the DVP-CX995V to 480p, 720p and 1080i and all yield the same blank screen result. I have tried other Edge inputs and changed cables but no luck.

3. I have also noticed the bright white sparkles or snow specs when watching my DirecTV receiver throught the Edge. They seem to come and go and are particularly visible in black or dark areas of the picture. In a 4:3 picture, the sparkles can easily be seen in the black pillar bars. I have tried different cables on both input and output but have not been able to track down the noise source other than the edge itself.

4. When playing a DVD on my Sony PS3 through the Edge, the audio was stuttering every now and then. I had not noticed that before but will need to experiment some more before I can say tha that this problem is with the Edge.

Prior to purchasing the Edge, I was using a Psyclone 1X4 HDMI/Optical switcher which worked well with all my equipment. With the Edge in its place, my PS3 and DirecTV work but my DVD Player and HTPC will not. It seems to me that Edge should be able to process any video signal that my Samsung DLP can. It is not advertised with input limitations. I would appreciate any help from this forums experts to resolve these issues.

Tim

Hello, I posted my problem over in the constant hieght forum,in the thread about using the edge for constant hieght.I was hoping someone could help out,my problem is,everyone has advised me to send my video from bluray and hd-dvd to the edge and then to the projector,and audio from the edge to my onkyo 805.I think thats the best way to go also,but audio to the 805 is great,it's the video going directly from players to the edge then to my sony vw-40 projector,the edge recognizes the sony even labels it,but then says it's not hdcp compliant,which it is,so I tried everything I could think of,I switched cables inputs power on order,nothing.Only thing that works is sending video to the onkyo then to the projector.I'm I missing something or where is the problem the edge or the sony. Thanks in advance Jim

I have been asking this question for a while now, but no one ever answers it... I'm sure they would, if they could.

Well, my daily routine is to check the DVDO website for any updates. I understand that they have a beta forum but no idea where it is nor if one can still join.

Regards, Peter

Well, my daily routine is to check the DVDO website for any updates.

Rest assured, this thread will become VERY active when a new firmware version becomes available to the public...no need to check the DVDO site :)

Can i buy this in the us as prices are about to go up in the uk at the moment they are $935 and they will be going up ti nearl $1100 soon i just feel we in the uk get totally ripped off

or maybe the pound is not as strong as the exchange rate suggests... :))

Globalized though we may be, prices between countries always seem out of whack. Sometimes making little sense. Right now although the dollar seems to have unfavorable exchange rates, many things are cheaper here than elsewhere. Maybe an economist will explain this to us.

To get back to the point, the Edge is worth it. DVDO got it right.

1. I cannot get my HTPC to work through the Edge at any HDTV resolution set in the nVidia control panel. The PC video card is a nVidia 7600GT with HDMI and works fine when connected directly to my Samsung DLP via HDMI or DVI. In trying to set it up I first connected the HTPC direct to Samsung DLP, set the resolution to 1080p and then used "Resize HDTV Desktop" to eliminate the desktop overscan. Ok that works great, then I connect the HTPC to the Edge. After the HTPC boots through the Edge, initially the picture is fine but when I try to run a program or browse with IE, the Edge will lose lock, flash blue screens and the front panel LED goes red. All I can do at this point is turn off the HTPC.

Tim

Hi Tim, i have the exact same problem & it prevents me from using my Edge. According to ABT tech support the software fix is going to be posted soon. I can't wait !

It is not a pass-through setting. Auto Select will identify the 'preferred' input resolution (1080p60) of your Pio and remain fixed at at that resolution. If you want 1080p24 output from the EDGE, you will need to manually select it in the Output Format menu.

FYI, you can also use 1080p24 output for film-based DVDs.

Actually, that's right. Kevin had explained that to me, and I've double-checked the manual. How soon I forget.

The few laserdiscs I've tried so far (only 2) don't look much better than before. I guess I'll try experimenting a bit, since my DVL-91 has two S-Video outs; I can A/B the Edge feed and the direct feed to the PRO-111 to see if there's a difference.

I'm considering the Edge, but would like to know before purchasing if it will output native rate to my display.

I've got a 5 year old Panny TH-50PHD6UY 768p plasma. It will accept native rate (1366x768) via its DVI input. In reading through this thread as well as the Edge FAQ on the Anchor Bay web site, my understanding is that the Edge will, in fact, output 768p if the attached display provides this as its preferred resolution via a correctly formatted EDID. Therein is my ultimate question, namely if my Panny is providing a properly formatted EDID.

I've connected the display to my laptop and used the EDID Viewer utility to display the EDID information from the Windows registry. While it displays a lot of information, this seems to be the relevant section:

Preferred Detailed Timing:
Pixel Clock : 86.71 Mhz
Horizontal Active : 1366 pixels
Horizontal Blanking : 426 pixels
Horizontal Sync Offset : 32 pixels
Horizontal Sync Pulse Width : 181 pixels
Horizontal Border : 0 pixels
Horizontal Size : 1100 mm
Vertical Active : 806 lines
Vertical Blanking : 38 lines
Vertical Sync Offset : 16 lines
Vertical Sync Pulse Width : 35 lines
Vertical Border : 0 lines
Vertical Size : 364 mm
Input Type : Digital Separate
Interlaced : False
VerticalPolarity : False
HorizontalPolarity : False

I've contacted DVDO technical support and discussed with them, and offered to email them the EDID dump to get their opinion, but they didn't seem particularly interested (perhaps understandably). Can anyone here offer an opinion as to whether my plasma is correctly communicating its 768p preferred resolution via its EDID, and whether the Edge will then correctly output 768p to the plasma?

Thanks.

Mike

Can anyone here offer an opinion as to whether my plasma is correctly communicating its 768p preferred resolution via its EDID, and whether the Edge will then correctly output 768p to the plasma?

You need to borrow an EDGE from a neighbor and give it a try ;)

Given the number of variables involved, I don't think anyone (including ABT) is capable of providing you with a definitive 'yes' or 'no' response to your questions

You need to borrow an EDGE from a neighbor and give it a try ;)

Given the number of variables involved, I don't think anyone (including ABT) is capable of providing you with a definitive 'yes' or 'no' response to your questions

If I do this, how would I confirm that the Edge is outputing NR to my display? Will the Edge display its actual output resolution?

Mike

Will the Edge display its actual output resolution

yes :)

yes :)

OK. Sounds like a plan :)

The few laserdiscs I've tried so far (only 2) don't look much better than before. I guess I'll try experimenting a bit, since my DVL-91 has two S-Video outs; I can A/B the Edge feed and the direct feed to the PRO-111 to see if there's a difference.

fwiw, you might just try the composite video out; a lot of LD users claim that yields the best results - just letting the Edge (or any other outboard processor) do all of the work. I know, I know - I have 3 different Pio LD decks, and a ton of LDs, but I still haven't tried any myself. (sry, but have so many unwatched BD, HD-DVD, and even sd-dvd, just can't get fired up to try my lds. but I will :o)

Hi Tim, i have the exact same problem & it prevents me from using my Edge. According to ABT tech support the software fix is going to be posted soon. I can't wait !

There is a reasonable solution for in the meantime, which will probably actually produce a better result than the 1080P 60 your older card would make anyway. What I have been doing is running my nVidia card at 1080i into the Edge and letting the Edge deinterlace it. I can tell you it will pass HQV with a lowly 8500gt that way, something the 8500gt can't do on its own.

Now nVidia is not my preferred display adapter for HTPC but I had no luck at all with ATI and the Edge. ATI just produces a better quality image IMHO.

I’m wondering whether it’s worth it for me to get an EDGE.

I’m currently using a Pioneer Kuro PDP-5010, which has excellent up-scaling and noise reduction, compared to most other flat screens.

Can anyone give me some idea what improvements I might expect using an EDGE?

Thanks,

A_C

There is a reasonable solution for in the meantime, which will probably actually produce a better result than the 1080P 60 your older card would make anyway. What I have been doing is running my nVidia card at 1080i into the Edge and letting the Edge deinterlace it. I can tell you it will pass HQV with a lowly 8500gt that way, something the 8500gt can't do on its own.

Now nVidia is not my preferred display adapter for HTPC but I had no luck at all with ATI and the Edge. ATI just produces a better quality image IMHO.

Thanks for the suggestion but I believe I did also try setting 1080i in the nVidia Control Panel. I am positive I tried 480p and 720p and still the Edge would lose lock and go to a blue screen with the red led lit as soon as I try to use the HTPC. I will try the 1080i setting again tonight and report back.

I was able to get it almost working when I set the resolution to 1440 x 900 (or something close to that). With this setting the Edge would stay locked on to the signal but the desktop was overscanned off the screen. nVidia Control Panel showed this resolution as a "Non Standard HDTV" and would not give me the "Resize HDTV Desktop" option to correct the overscan. So even though the edge was stable and did upscale the video to 1080p, it was unuseable because I could not resize the desktop. Last try was to use the Edge "Underscan" option to correct it, that worked for the HTPC but the large amount of underscan required for the HTPC messed up my DirectV on the other Edge input. The Edge "Underscan" option is a global setting that applies to the output so all inputs are affected by it.

Just found out about this product so pardon the noob questions. Is anyone using a JVC RS1/HD1 with the edge, Id like to use the Edge to zoom and rid of the black bars. I'll be using Panasonic BD30 and Toshiba XA2 as my sources, and Im guessing audio will pass to my Elite SC-07. 1st time using a VP so Im some what clueless. Thanks.

Probably 480i but is there some reason you don't try it and see?
Yea there is a reason.I do not have one yet.Not avaliable In my area here in Vancouver canada yet.I use to have a vp30 and found it too difficult to use and it did not do anything for my Cable sd picture quality,but there proably a lot of reasons for that,my poor understanding of all the terminology at that time and how to use the features properly.I will be getting an edge when they are realesed up here.I have read the manual on pdf and it appears to be a lot more user friendly.The suggested retail up here is $849.00 canadian and that sounds pretty good compared to what the users are paying in the US for them.

Well it is easy enough to try both ways when you do get it. You may find it does not do that much for SD cable though depending on how compressed the signal is.

I’m wondering whether it’s worth it for me to get an EDGE.

I’m currently using a Pioneer Kuro PDP-5010, which has excellent up-scaling and noise reduction, compared to most other flat screens.

Can anyone give me some idea what improvements I might expect using an EDGE?

Thanks,

A_C

i have a 150fd...

imo, there is a marginal improvement (but definitely noticeable) using the edge in my system... it also does stuff like locking onto cadence changes, etc. more smoothly than the display... also, since you are only feeding your display one res, you don't get delays in resolution changes...

i'm not good at "videophile" terms, but the edge just makes it "better"... imo, it was worth the expense, but others opinion may vary...

I'm considering the Edge, but would like to know before purchasing if it will output native rate to my display.

I've got a 5 year old Panny TH-50PHD6UY 768p plasma. It will accept native rate (1366x768) via its DVI input. In reading through this thread as well as the Edge FAQ on the Anchor Bay web site, my understanding is that the Edge will, in fact, output 768p if the attached display provides this as its preferred resolution via a correctly formatted EDID. Therein is my ultimate question, namely if my Panny is providing a properly formatted EDID.

I've connected the display to my laptop and used the EDID Viewer utility to display the EDID information from the Windows registry.
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Can anyone here offer an opinion as to whether my plasma is correctly communicating its 768p preferred resolution via its EDID, and whether the Edge will then correctly output 768p to the plasma?

i have a 1366x768 and it works. i haven't read too many (actually i can't recall any) reports about 1366x768 displays that don't work.

the "preferred timing" info you provided looks like it should work. (am i naive thinking if you subtract the vertical blanking form the active lines you get 768?)

i might recommend you try moninfo (download at http://www.entechtaiwan.com/files/moninfo.exe ). the output of this applet should contain a slightly more obvious result, something like


Timing characteristics

VESA GTF support............ Not supported
Horizontal scan range....... 30-68kHz
Vertical scan range......... 59-72Hz
Video bandwidth............. 150MHz
Extension blocks............ 1

Timing recommendation #1.... 1366x768 at 60Hz

Modeline................ "1366x768" 73.250 1366 1414 1446 1512 768 771 776 808 +hsync -vsync

Standard timings supported

640 x 480 at 60Hz - IBM VGA
720 x 400 at 70Hz - IBM VGA
800 x 600 at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 720 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1280 at 60Hz - VESA
1360 x 765 at 60Hz - VESA


note the "timing recommendation #1" line

but of course you will only know for sure when you finally plug it in. buy from a place with a good return policy if this is bugging you.

but you should defintiely give it a try. it's a pretty cool device.

people always overestimate what the edge can do for SD, but what they don't realize (until they unplug it) is how much it is quietly doing for all the different flavors of HD right under your nose. it can be subtle, but in my experience, it's something that is pretty noticeable once you try to *remove* the edge.

Just found out about this product so pardon the noob questions. Is anyone using a JVC RS1/HD1 with the edge, Id like to use the Edge to zoom and rid of the black bars. I'll be using Panasonic BD30 and Toshiba XA2 as my sources, and Im guessing audio will pass to my Elite SC-07. 1st time using a VP so Im some what clueless. Thanks.

people always overestimate what the edge can do for SD, but what they don't realize (until they unplug it) is how much it is quietly doing for all the different flavors of HD right under your nose. it can be subtle, but in my experience, it's something that is pretty noticeable once you try to *remove* the edge.

this is a VERY good point...

Exactly! It is hard to put your finger on exactly what it does but it sure makes a difference on SD and HD both.

yup... it's kinda what i meant in an earlier post when i said it's just "better"...

Not very scientific or measurable, but it sure makes the picture look better.

fwiw, you might just try the composite video out; a lot of LD users claim that yields the best results - just letting the Edge (or any other outboard processor) do all of the work. I know, I know - I have 3 different Pio LD decks, and a ton of LDs, but I still haven't tried any myself. (sry, but have so many unwatched BD, HD-DVD, and even sd-dvd, just can't get fired up to try my lds. but I will :o)

It also helps if material is watched in its OAR, rather than filling the screen. I did that tonight, and what a difference!

i have a 1366x768 and it works. i haven't read too many (actually i can't recall any) reports about 1366x768 displays that don't work.

the "preferred timing" info you provided looks like it should work. (am i naive thinking if you subtract the vertical blanking form the active lines you get 768?)

i might recommend you try moninfo (download at http://www.entechtaiwan.com/files/moninfo.exe ). the output of this applet should contain a slightly more obvious result, something like



note the "timing recommendation #1" line

but of course you will only know for sure when you finally plug it in. buy from a place with a good return policy if this is bugging you.

but you should defintiely give it a try. it's a pretty cool device.

people always overestimate what the edge can do for SD, but what they don't realize (until they unplug it) is how much it is quietly doing for all the different flavors of HD right under your nose. it can be subtle, but in my experience, it's something that is pretty noticeable once you try to *remove* the edge.

Thanks, Stretch. On a leap of faith, I ordered one this morning with a 30 day return option if I'm not satisfied.

Mike

have fun. i'll paypal you the shipping charges for the return if my remarks led you astray.

[this offer not available to all avsforum visitors. must be 18 to play.]

fwiw, you might just try the composite video out; a lot of LD users claim that yields the best results

This only applies if the LD player has a "pure" composite out -- if it outputs the composite signal of the LD directly. A lot of players with S-Video outs (including the DVL-91, I believe, I had the similar DVL-909) place the internal Y/C filter before all video outs and recombine the Luminance and Chrominance after it's been filtered for the composite output. So in these cases using the S-Video out will be best.

And don't forget the Edge has practically no composite combfilter to speak of. It's composite inputs are really bad (same on all other DVDO units). I've compared the Edge to a CVSI-1 and to my TV directly and the Edge is far from both.

(and completely off topic: shouldn't it be possible to mod a LD player to get a pure composite signal before it's routed into the y/c processing ???)

Hmm, it says the Edge has a 3D comb filter on the first post, while I thought the VP50/Pro have a 2D comb filter.

I have a CVSI-1 as well so I know it's quality (aside from some strange light-colored pixels appearing where they shouldn't), so it's not surprising that the Edge doesn't live up to the CVSI even if the Edge is better than previous DVDO processors. I hear the SVSI-1 is even better, but the two SVSI-1's I got off of eBay were either DOA or defective.

1. I cannot get my HTPC to work through the Edge at any HDTV resolution set in the nVidia control panel. The PC video card is a nVidia 7600GT with HDMI and works fine when connected directly to my Samsung DLP via HDMI or DVI. In trying to set it up I first connected the HTPC direct to Samsung DLP, set the resolution to 1080p and then used "Resize HDTV Desktop" to eliminate the desktop overscan. Ok that works great, then I connect the HTPC to the Edge. After the HTPC boots through the Edge, initially the picture is fine but when I try to run a program or browse with IE, the Edge will lose lock, flash blue screens and the front panel LED goes red. All I can do at this point is turn off the HTPC.

4. When playing a DVD on my Sony PS3 through the Edge, the audio was stuttering every now and then. I had not noticed that before but will need to experiment some more before I can say tha that this problem is with the Edge.

I have these exact same problems with mine.

Re:#1: I'm seeing the "lose lock" issue but it's not instantaneous. What's weird is it only happens we I do certain things in Windows, like bringing up a right-click menu, and usually I can recover (e.g. exit the menu). Luckily it never happens when using the Media Center software. I don't have this problem if I don't use the DVDO, or if I use component input. I have a 6600GT. The other thing I've noticed is that 1080i from the HTPC looks horrible on the DVDO - all fuzzy/distorted and flickers like crazy. Doesn't happen if I bypass DVDO.

Re:#2: The audio stutters for me as well, but so far I've only noticed it on BluRay discs. DVDs seem to be fine.

I started an e-mail support thread with ABT last week and after explaining these issues (and others) to them, they are now having me mail in my unit for replacement. The general message was "something is clearly wrong with your EDGE". I'll be sending it back tomorrow.

On a side note, I must say I've been very happy with the professionalism and promptness of ABT's customer service. Very refreshing.

I have these exact same problems with mine.

Re:#1: I'm seeing the "lose lock" issue but it's not instantaneous. What's weird is it only happens we I do certain things in Windows, like bringing up a right-click menu, and usually I can recover (e.g. exit the menu). Luckily it never happens when using the Media Center software. I don't have this problem if I don't use the DVDO, or if I use component input. I have a 6600GT. The other thing I've noticed is that 1080i from the HTPC looks horrible on the DVDO - all fuzzy/distorted and flickers like crazy. Doesn't happen if I bypass DVDO.

I tried setting 1080i on my nVidia 7600GT as suggested by gtgray and I get a great picture upon HTPC bootup. The edge showed the 1080i input @ 60Hz locked and was sending 1080p to my Samsung DLP. But when I tried to launch Internet Explorer the Edge loses lock and tries to redetect but ends up with a blue screen and red light on steady. I think the Edge loses lock when the windows application goes full screen.

(2) Running the PS3 or new Pannie BD35 Blu-Ray - I get little white sparkles on the screen. The severity varies with the detail setting. Still there in Game mode so there's more to it.

I am also getting the white sparkles noise showing in the dark or black areas of the picture when watching my DirecTV receiver through the Edge. I do not see these when connecting the DirecTV to my Samsung DLP directly. Last night I was watching the news and sparkles were very obvious. They were very easy to see in the black pillar bars of a 4:3 commercial. I even saw blue spots or artifacts in a blue background area of the picture. Then I turned off the Edge with the remote and then turned it back on. Presto! All the white sparkles noise was completely gone. I watched the same channel for several hours and they never showed again. This proved to me that this problem is within the Edge itself and occurs intermittently when it is turned on. Hopefully ABT will be able to duplicate this problem and provide a fix.

Availability in Canada?

London Drugs is the only reseller listed on the Edge website and their price is $849 but is currently out of stock. The only other place I can find it is at TigerDirect.ca, it is in stock, but they want $1119.99 for it!! That is not just a currency shift, MSRP is US$799. Are their any authorized resellers in Ontario (Toronto)? We don't have London Drugs in Ontario.

Is it worth a trip across the border to pick one up?

Is the Flea really worth getting to use with the Edge?

And don't forget the Edge has practically no composite combfilter to speak of. It's composite inputs are really bad (same on all other DVDO units). I've compared the Edge to a CVSI-1 and to my TV directly and the Edge is far from both.

(and completely off topic: shouldn't it be possible to mod a LD player to get a pure composite signal before it's routed into the y/c processing ???)
There's a thread that strays into that here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=854986&highlight=laserdisc). Page 3 has some good info from Hunter and Kurtis. Lots of "pure" composite talk here (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=615675&page=1&pp=30). Looks like you're aware of the second link though...

I am also getting the white sparkles noise showing in the dark or black areas of the picture when watching my DirecTV receiver through the Edge. I do not see these when connecting the DirecTV to my Samsung DLP directly. Last night I was watching the news and sparkles were very obvious. They were very easy to see in the black pillar bars of a 4:3 commercial. I even saw blue spots or artifacts in a blue background area of the picture. Then I turned off the Edge with the remote and then turned it back on. Presto! All the white sparkles noise was completely gone. I watched the same channel for several hours and they never showed again. This proved to me that this problem is within the Edge itself and occurs intermittently when it is turned on. Hopefully ABT will be able to duplicate this problem and provide a fix.
Thank god, I was getting these on my 360 and assumed it was about to die. Again.

Will give the EDGE a reboot tonight--hopefully that clears it up!

Is the Flea really worth getting to use with the Edge?

That really depends on how much noise there is in your sources and how picky you are about noise. I have the Flea and the Edge. As has been posted previously, the Flea handles noise better than the Edge. That said the Edge really improves the picture in many other ways. The remote and menus and user experience is all great. One might start with an Edge and add a Flea if the mosquito noise reduction on the Edge doesn't cut it for you. I have tried one, the other and both several times now and I prefer the combination.

That said, the Flea has only 2 HDMI inputs so you can't use it for everything unless you put a multiway HDMI switch in front of it, and if you do, you loose the switching on the Edge. I use the Flea to feed my Edge SAT and OTA feeds only. Edge improves SD and HD optical media plenty all by itself.

My Edge arrived about a week ago at a cost of $1199 Aussie dollar. It was $999 but because of the shift in dollar value it went up. RRP in Australia is now $1599.

Connections:

HDMI audio to Onkyo 705

HDMI out to Samsung LA40M81BD full HD LCD

HDMI 1 - Foxtel IQ2 cable box (due to 5.1 not being available over HDMI at this time a Toslink between IQ2 and Edge)

HDMI 2 - Samsung DVD-SH853 full HDMI connection

HDMI 3 - Samsung DVD-HR725 full HDMI connection

HDMI 4 - Toshiba XA2 full HDMI connection

HDMI 5 - Sony PS3 full HDMI connection

Component 1 - Onkyo DV-SP502 HDMI output via Edge

The Foxtel IQ2 is also connected via VCR SCART to the DVD-SH853 for off H/D recording and to the DVD-HR725 via composite for off H/D recording.

The only word I can apply to the Edge’s performance is - superb. Every component in the chain works flawlessly and there is a marked improvement in the video quality.

Anchor Bay - you have a winner:)

Availability in Canada?

London Drugs is the only reseller listed on the Edge website and their price is $849 but is currently out of stock. The only other place I can find it is at TigerDirect.ca, it is in stock, but they want $1119.99 for it!! That is not just a currency shift, MSRP is US$799. Are their any authorized resellers in Ontario (Toronto)? We don't have London Drugs in Ontario.

Is it worth a trip across the border to pick one up?

FYI - EDGE is available at a lot of independent dealers and installers, plus the Magnolia A/V stores (not Magnolia Home Theater) and Vann's, in addition to Amazon.com, B&H, Beach Camera, Buy.com, Datavis.com, New Egg, One Call, Projector People and Tiger Direct.

Chuck

Availability in Canada?

London Drugs is the only reseller listed on the Edge website and their price is $849 but is currently out of stock. The only other place I can find it is at TigerDirect.ca, it is in stock, but they want $1119.99 for it!! That is not just a currency shift, MSRP is US$799. Are their any authorized resellers in Ontario (Toronto)? We don't have London Drugs in Ontario.

Is it worth a trip across the border to pick one up?
Mitch be patient.I talked to London drugs to day and they have 220 units on back order and they did confirm the pricing they have been advertising.They have been told they will have them by x-mas,maybe a week or so earlier.

Question guys,is the Flea even avaliable anymore brand new.??

Question guys,is the Flea even avaliable anymore brand new.??

I could suggest doing a search for "Flea avaliable", but that wouldn't be very useful. ;)

See post #2014

Availability in Canada?

London Drugs is the only reseller listed on the Edge website and their price is $849 but is currently out of stock. The only other place I can find it is at TigerDirect.ca, it is in stock, but they want $1119.99 for it!! That is not just a currency shift, MSRP is US$799. Are their any authorized resellers in Ontario (Toronto)? We don't have London Drugs in Ontario.

Is it worth a trip across the border to pick one up?

Another Canadian alternative is:
http://www.complete-it.ca/videoprocessors/DVDO.php
but they want $999.

I could suggest doing a search for "Flea avaliable", but that wouldn't be very useful. ;)

See post #2014

You must contact Algolith, they do direct sales untile stock last.

You must contact Algolith, they do direct sales untile stock last.

Spoke with Michel Forbes at Algolith and the price for the Flea is $597 but shipping is around $50 or $60 (FedEx ground). Shipping is outrageous.

Actually the price is outrageous unless maybe you watch SD broadcast all day.

Spoke with Michel Forbes at Algolith and the price for the Flea is $597 but shipping is around $50 or $60 (FedEx ground). Shipping is outrageous.

I spoke with him again and I didn't know they are based in Canada. The service is for 2 day shipping but he said he could lower the service if needed.

Spoke with Michel Forbes at Algolith and the price for the Flea is $597 but shipping is around $50 or $60 (FedEx ground). Shipping is outrageous.

I considered getting a Flea to work with my VP50 about 2-3 months ago. When I contacted Algolith then, the price was $800, so $60 shipping doesn't sound like a big deal compared to the $200 price drop.

I keep trying to convince a friend to get an Edge because I want to compare it with my VP50...perhaps he is reluctant because he senses my alterior motives.

Spoke with Michel Forbes at Algolith and the price for the Flea is $597 but shipping is around $50 or $60 (FedEx ground). Shipping is outrageous.
Any time you cross an international border, expect the shipping cost to increase 2x over what the comparable distance ought to cost.

Spoke with Michel Forbes at Algolith and the price for the Flea is $597 but shipping is around $50 or $60 (FedEx ground). Shipping is outrageous.

hey - it could be worse...several of us are looking at the new Vizio 50" plasma - the new one with the Reon - very low price, and so far only available direct from Vizio....

but - shipping to Iowa - $697; to MA - $1297 !!:eek:

back ot - I wish someone in IA had a Flea to borrow - would be curious to see one with my Edge, on my pj, before dropping the coin. (and if anyone has a Flea - bring it over, you can see an Edge. :D)

I had an issue this evening with my production Edge. The source in this case is a TiVo Series 3 DVR set for 'native' output playing a 720p recording of the Fox show Bones. The display is a Samsung HL-S6188 DLP. During this one hour recording I encountered 6-8 dropout events. The events were not repeatable when I went backwards and replayed. When the event occured, the screen 'blinked' and went to solid blue with the yellow square in the upper right indicating the source name and then the image returned to normal. The audio was not impacted and played seamlessly throughout the event which would seem to indicate that the HDMI link was not 'dropped'. The video dropout was about a second in duration. Without Edge, Ive never seen anything like this from the TiVo/Display combination. After the end of the show I switched to a CBS recording in 1080i and saw no events. I went back to Fox live after the CBS show and saw no more events. Not sure what is going on.... Any ideas? I sent an email to Edge support.

I've had my Edge for about a week and have experienced a similar problem with audio (but not video).
Source: TiVo Series3, native (mostly 1080i), DD audio, HDMI
Source: TViX M-6500a, 1080i/p, DD audio, HDMI
AVR: Onkyo TX-NR 905, audio only HDMI
Display: Sony KDS-50A3000
Cables: Monoprice HDMI 1.3a Category 2 Certified CL2 Rated, 22AWG, 25ft (to source) and 24AWG, 10ft to receiver (others unchanged).

As long as the audio is routed through the Edge, I hear scores of very short, non-repeatable audio dropouts (no distortion) every hour. It's a continuous stream of micro silences, which occur every few seconds. If I bypass the Edge (say via SPDIF to AVR), no problem. The picture is unaffected. This is very annoying and renders the Edge nearly unusable.

That really depends on how much noise there is in your sources and how picky you are about noise. I have the Flea and the Edge. As has been posted previously, the Flea handles noise better than the Edge. That said the Edge really improves the picture in many other ways. The remote and menus and user experience is all great. One might start with an Edge and add a Flea if the mosquito noise reduction on the Edge doesn't cut it for you. I have tried one, the other and both several times now and I prefer the combination.

That said, the Flea has only 2 HDMI inputs so you can't use it for everything unless you put a multiway HDMI switch in front of it, and if you do, you loose the switching on the Edge. I use the Flea to feed my Edge SAT and OTA feeds only. Edge improves SD and HD optical media plenty all by itself.

I use the FLEA with all my broadcast sources and VUDU box so I have 5 devices running through it, 3 HDTiVos, one VUDU, and the FIOS HD STB. The FLEA does a superb job cleaning up the broadcast images.
And after using it for the past 2 or 3 years, it would be difficult for me to watch broadcast content without it on my main display.

Spoke with Michel Forbes at Algolith and the price for the Flea is $597 but shipping is around $50 or $60 (FedEx ground). Shipping is outrageous.


That's a great price. I bought mine from AVS a long time ago and even with the discount it was a few hundred more than that.
If I could easily sell my VP50pro I would seriously consider using the proceeds to get another EDGE and FLEA.

I owned the Flea for some time. I sold it after I upgraded to MPEG4 with D* as I didn't see the need any longer.

I can think of a few problems using the Edge and Flea together. First, the Flea has a bug that converts any RGB input to PC levels so for RGB sources you'll need to account for that. YCbCr isn't a problem. Second, the Flea doesn't pass multichannel PCM audio. Third, the Flea doesn't pass or process 1080p60 (but will pass 1080p24).

That's a fair amount to consider and would definitely effect the setup of the Flea and furthermore will make its relative utility system-dependent.

Those with RGB sources (many Sat/cable boxes) would need a separate toggle for PC input level on the Edge for that input. The current production Edge firmware won't do this.

Has anyone connected an LG BH200 Super Blu HD-DVD/BluRay player up to an EDGE?

If so how well did the EDGE handle the LG's flaky HDMI implementation? (where there any dropouts? etc)

I owned the Flea for some time. I sold it after I upgraded to MPEG4 with D* as I didn't see the need any longer.

I can think of a few problems using the Edge and Flea together. First, the Flea has a bug that converts any RGB input to PC levels so for RGB sources you'll need to account for that. YCbCr isn't a problem. Second, the Flea doesn't pass multichannel PCM audio. Third, the Flea doesn't pass or process 1080p60 (but will pass 1080p24).

That's a fair amount to consider and would definitely effect the setup of the Flea and furthermore will make its relative utility system-dependent.

Those with RGB sources (many Sat/cable boxes) would need a separate toggle for PC input level on the Edge for that input. The current production Edge firmware won't do this.

When you say it won't pass1080p/60 or process it? It will pass 480i/p and say 720p stuff over digital cable correct? What you are saying is that say you upconvert a SDDVD to 1080p60 you won't get a signal through the unit?

Also re: PCM. . .can you pass bitsreams of any kind? This has me all confused then. You really can't use it with SDDVD or Bluray if you want. It's mostly for digital TV I'm seeing?

Aaron if you can also chime in here being that you had one also. Thanks for all the input.

jimi

It will accept/process 480i/480p/720p/1080i.

It will pass 1080p24.

It will not accept 1080p60.

If you normally output 1080p60 from the Edge to the display then the Flea will obviously need to be upstream from the Edge.

It would work fine for 1080i/1080p24/480i/480p from BD/DVD upstream from the Edge. You want to feed Edge native signals anyway.

The Flea has two inputs, so you could run a sat/cable box and a BD/DVD player to it upstream of the Edge. However, rememember that an RGB input to the Flea will be converted to PC levels. A YCbCr input will remain at video levels. This means you could conceivably end up with RGB from a Sat box, YCbCr from a BD player going through the Flea and to the edge, one at PC levels while the other at video levels. This would be cumbersome as you'd need to manually adjust/recalibrate each time you switched sources.

Flea passes legacy bistream audio/2 channel PCM and that's it.

Oh IC. This thing is deff geared to digital tv. I can always use it for just that. That was what it sparked my interest for anyway. Can you go over the output thing again? I'm not really getting it?It will accept/process 480i/480p/720p/1080i.

It will pass 1080p24.

It will not accept 1080p60.

If you normally output 1080p60 from the Edge to the display then the Flea will obviously need to be upstream from the Edge.

It would work fine for 1080i/1080p24/480i/480p from BD/DVD upstream from the Edge. You want to feed Edge native signals anyway.

The Flea has two inputs, so you could run a sat/cable box and a BD/DVD player to it upstream of the Edge. However, rememember that an RGB input to the Flea will be converted to PC levels. A YCbCr input will remain at video levels. This means you could conceivably end up with RGB from a Sat box, YCbCr from a BD player going through the Flea and to the edge, one at PC levels while the other at video levels. This would be cumbersome as you'd need to manually adjust/recalibrate each time you switched sources.

Flea passes legacy bistream audio/2 channel PCM and that's it.

I keep trying to convince a friend to get an Edge because I want to compare it with my VP50...perhaps he is reluctant because he senses my alterior motives.

doesn't joerod have a vp50? or does he have a pro? i've forgotten...

hey - it could be worse...several of us are looking at the new Vizio 50" plasma - the new one with the Reon - very low price, and so far only available direct from Vizio....

but - shipping to Iowa - $697; to MA - $1297 !!:eek:

back ot - I wish someone in IA had a Flea to borrow - would be curious to see one with my Edge, on my pj, before dropping the coin. (and if anyone has a Flea - bring it over, you can see an Edge. :D)

It's going to seem even more expensive when you have to buy another one in 18 months ;)

I considered getting a Flea to work with my VP50 about 2-3 months ago. When I contacted Algolith then, the price was $800, so $60 shipping doesn't sound like a big deal compared to the $200 price drop.

I keep trying to convince a friend to get an Edge because I want to compare it with my VP50...perhaps he is reluctant because he senses my alterior motives.

I've looked at both. The vp50 is much better for me because of the Display Profiles and the greater control over just about everything. I've got a few sources;
SkyHD (576p PREP and 1080i output, locked to 50Hz, generally set to Auto or Film Bias)
Oppo 970 DVD (locked to 50Hz (R2) and 48Hz (R1) output
Tosh ep30 HD DVD
xbox 360 (720p with cadence detect off)
Wii (needs unlocked 50Hz output because of the sync bug over component with SNES/MD games)
occassional PS2 and Gamecube over s-video and even a Samsung Nuon I drag out once a year.

You can't really quite do all that and have it all auto-configured with the EDGE properly. But the image quality is similar and for the price you can't complain... but I'd never swap.

Oh IC. This thing is deff geared to digital tv. I can always use it for just that. That was what it sparked my interest for anyway. Can you go over the output thing again? I'm not really getting it?

There are 3 color space choices for HDMI output: RGB, 444 YCbCr, and 422 YCbCr. The Sat/Cable box may or may not have any indication of what it uses in its literature or menus. However, the Edge will tell you what colorspace is input in the input info display. The Flea will also tell you in its info display. If HDMI RGB is used, the Flea has a bug which will convert the signal to "PC levels" which means the brightness/contrast setting will need to be calibrated differently than for a signal at "video levels". What most will notice is that the picture is "too dark". If HDMI YCbCr is used, then video levels are maintained and there's no need for adjustment as it will be the same as your other HDMI sources.

There are 3 color space choices for HDMI output: RGB, 444 YCbCr, and 422 YCbCr. The Sat/Cable box may or may not have any indication of what it uses in its literature or menus. However, the Edge will tell you what colorspace is input in the input info display. The Flea will also tell you in its info display. If HDMI RGB is used, the Flea has a bug which will convert the signal to "PC levels" which means the brightness/contrast setting will need to be calibrated differently than for a signal at "video levels". What most will notice is that the picture is "too dark". If HDMI YCbCr is used, then video levels are maintained and there's no need for adjustment as it will be the same as your other HDMI sources.

Ok got you. I never really looked into my comcast 8300 output. I assumed it was RBG, but we all know what happens when you assume . . .

that would be a problem then. I usually output diff HDMI colorspaces. I know the edge converts everything to rbg so then couldn't the flea just go after, i mean towards the display?

jimi

Ok got you. I never really looked into my comcast 8300 output. I assumed it was RBG, but we all know what happens when you assume . . .

that would be a problem then. I usually output diff HDMI colorspaces. I know the edge converts everything to rbg so then couldn't the flea just go after, i mean towards the display?

jimi


The Edge processes internally using 422 YCbCr at 10 bit resolution.

You are correct in that the current Edge production firmware only offers RGB output.

You can only place the Flea after the Edge if the Edge is set to output an acceptable/processable resolution to the Flea. This means you are limited to 480i/480p/720p/1080i. However, you ideally should output the native resolution of your display from the Edge. This means 1080p60 or 768p for most. Therefore, most would opt to place the Flea before Edge and feed the display native res.

Just received my Edge Today!!!... In peices!!??...the crappy courier or someone beat the box up so bad that it looked like somone sold me a piece of used equipment packaged in an old DVDO box that had been sitting in someone's closet/garage for the last 10 years? Not only was the box beat up, but when I attempted to shake the box to confirm any styrofoam support inside the original packaging I could hear things clunking around loosley. They wouldn't let me open it (even in such a crappy condition) so I had to refuse it, contacted the shipper and they told me another one will be shipped out next week for me. Was sort of looking forward to trying it out today though. Have to wait another week or two now. Is it only me but why do I see Wal-mart packing these things on thier shelves for under $400? Advertised as a glorfied HDMI switcher ~ scaler ~ de-interlacer fancy device gadget thingy? LOL.

shingdaz, you might want to wait until you actually USE it before making the walmart commentary...

shingdaz, you might want to wait until you actually USE it before making the walmart commentary...

Hey now go easy on big ol' Wlamart. Aren't they one of the only chains who pulled a profit last quarter with how bad things are. They must be doing something right! ;)

Hey now go easy on big ol' Wlamart. Aren't they one of the only chains who pulled a profit last quarter with how bad things are. They must be doing something right! ;)

I don't think Walmart sells anything not made in China. Where is the Edge manufactured?

. . . .
As long as the audio is routed through the Edge, I hear scores of very short, non-repeatable audio dropouts (no distortion) every hour. It's a continuous stream of micro silences, which occur every few seconds. If I bypass the Edge (say via SPDIF to AVR), no problem. The picture is unaffected. This is very annoying and renders the Edge nearly unusable.

I re-arranged everything, restored factory defaults, swapped cables and set up all over again. No joy.

1. At best, for DD I get constant, short audio dropouts from TiVo Series3 and TViX; at worst I get "motorboating." This also occurs for DDEX and DD TrueHD. PCM and DTS/DTS-HD MA work fine.

2. The Edge cannot even complete negotiation with my Samsung BD-UP5000 DF player. After the initial splash screen, just a blinking LED on the Edge and flashing screen on the TV. Anyone else using this source?

3. My only source the Edge plays nice with (at least with audio) is an Onkyo DV-SP1000. It passes DD.

Do these problems sound like a defective Edge, immature firmware or a poor setup? If I don't solve them it's back to the drawing board or me and back to Amazon for the Edge.

shingdaz, you might want to wait until you actually USE it before making the walmart commentary...

Don't think I'm insulting the unit> DVDO could make a killing selling these to wal-mart. And why not make these in china? They would be good if not better quality.

I re-arranged everything, restored factory defaults, swapped cables and set up all over again. No joy.

1. At best, for DD I get constant, short audio dropouts from TiVo Series3 and TViX; at worst I get "motorboating." This also occurs for DDEX and DD TrueHD. PCM and DTS/DTS-HD MA work fine.

2. The Edge cannot even complete negotiation with my Samsung BD-UP5000 DF player. After the initial splash screen, just a blinking LED on the Edge and flashing screen on the TV. Anyone else using this source?

3. My only source the Edge plays nice with (at least with audio) is an Onkyo DV-SP1000. It passes DD.

Do these problems sound like a defective Edge, immature firmware or a poor setup? If I don't solve them it's back to the drawing board or me and back to Amazon for the Edge.

I've actually been having a similar audio problem with my Edge. I haven't had a great deal of time to test it out, but my first step was going to be switching the hdmi cable. I'm also using a TiVo, so perhaps our problem lies there?

I've actually been having a similar audio problem with my Edge. I haven't had a great deal of time to test it out, but my first step was going to be switching the hdmi cable. I'm also using a TiVo, so perhaps our problem lies there?

Im also having an intermittent audio problem with my Edge with my TiVo S3 or SA8300 sending Dolby. Sometimes it will send rapid popping pulse sounds instead of program audio. The receiver indicates it is getting Dolby but all I hear is a machine gun going crazy. power cycling the Edge corrects the problem. I will have to pay better attention to see if its Dolby 5.1 or 2.0 as Im not sure.

. . . my first step was going to be switching the hdmi cable. I'm also using a TiVo, so perhaps our problem lies there?
Cable: tried that. No help.
TiVo: also has problems with TViX (media streamer) and Blu-ray player.

Im also having an intermittent audio problem with my Edge with my TiVo S3 or SA8300 sending Dolby. Sometimes it will send rapid popping pulse sounds instead of program audio. The receiver indicates it is getting Dolby but all I hear is a machine gun going crazy. power cycling the Edge corrects the problem. I will have to pay better attention to see if its Dolby 5.1 or 2.0 as Im not sure.
"rapid popping pulse sounds": what I called "motorboating" above? I had problems with 5.1 but not 2.0 (from DVD player).
power cycle: didn't try that, but shouldn't have to.

Anyway, I've already RMA'd it. Maybe I'll buy another when it's finished.

is this product a joke or what? i can't seem to find any reference to builtin pixelmapping patterns in the manual?

That defeats the whole purpose in buying this product, if the Edge can't provide patterns then alot of people will NOT run 1:1 pixelmapped as they can't confirm it.

I had the VP50 and the Lumagen all with built in patterns to tweak everything.

Yes, it is a total joke to expect a $799 scaler to compete with a $3000 one! Seriously, do you think the Edge should do EVERYTHING the VP50 should? If that were the case, why would anyone ever want a VP50. The Edge is designed for a specific market and what it does, it does very very well. I speak from experience as a previous owner of the vp50 pro and a beta tester on the Edge. is this product a joke or what? i can't seem to find any reference to builtin pixelmapping patterns in the manual?

That defeats the whole purpose in buying this product, if the Edge can't provide patterns then alot of people will NOT run 1:1 pixelmapped as they can't confirm it.

I had the VP50 and the Lumagen all with built in patterns to tweak everything.

That defeats the whole purpose in buying this product, if the Edge can't provide patterns then alot of people will NOT run 1:1 pixelmapped as they can't confirm it.

No it doesn't. The Edge is designed to map to a limited range of panels, that and a few other missing features provide for a low cost.

Does the 1080P output map exactly to my Sony 1080p projector? I don't know, but the image looks excellent.

I was not expecting to get a "VP" processor for the cost of the Edge.

Do I wish there were a few more features. Absolutely! But I understand some additional features will come with software updates, so I will enjoy the Edge in it's current form and look forward to updates when they are released.

Pixel mapping confirmation is not on the top of my short list of upgrades. It would be nice to confirm, but unnecessary from my observations so far.

Let me boil this down for myself and probably other lurkers. Edge owners and testers please fill in this blank:

"A person should consider buying a DVDO EDGE if/because:... "


Thanks. :)

"A person should consider buying a DVDO EDGE if/because:... "

Because it looks very cool in the AV rack! :) But seriously...

Follow this link to a page with a very nice video on the Edge in the lower right corner of the page. http://www.anchorbaytech.com/dvdo_edge/

Follow this link to the product brochure on the Edge. http://www.anchorbaytech.com/dvdo_edge/product.php

I don't see any point in reiterating the story these two links so clearly tell.

Enjoy!

:D

is this product a joke or what? i can't seem to find any reference to builtin pixelmapping patterns in the manual?

That defeats the whole purpose in buying this product, if the Edge can't provide patterns then alot of people will NOT run 1:1 pixelmapped as they can't confirm it.

I had the VP50 and the Lumagen all with built in patterns to tweak everything.

My EDGE handle 1:1 pixel mapping. You just use the proper test pattern from a test disc, and with the DLP sets i've used, it's pretty obvious if it's 1:1 or not.

Yes, it is a total joke to expect a $799 scaler to compete with a $3000 one! Seriously, do you think the Edge should do EVERYTHING the VP50 should? If that were the case, why would anyone ever want a VP50. The Edge is designed for a specific market and what it does, it does very very well. I speak from experience as a previous owner of the vp50 pro and a beta tester on the Edge.

Then it's a total waste of $799 which i can save, you can't even adjust the timings.

There is no way getting "perfect" 1:1 mapping without that feature with all displays on the market.

I am glad i didn't jump into it as you can get a refurbished VP50 for less money today on Ebay.

Do you buy a new car with two wheels?:rolleyes:

Then it's a total waste of $799 which i can save, you can't even adjust the timings.

There is no way getting "perfect" 1:1 mapping without that feature with all displays on the market.

I am glad i didn't jump into it as you can get a refurbished VP50 for less money today on Ebay.

Do you buy a new car with two wheels?:rolleyes:

Nice example of a bad analogy.

Do you buy a new car with two wheels?:rolleyes:

Well, you do when it can do this!

http://www.kylewoods.com/images/bmw%202%20wheels%202.jpg

Then it's a total waste of $799 which i can save, you can't even adjust the timings.

There is no way getting "perfect" 1:1 mapping without that feature with all displays on the market.

I am glad i didn't jump into it as you can get a refurbished VP50 for less money today on Ebay.

Do you buy a new car with two wheels?:rolleyes:

Good please buy the used VP50 and go to that thread for your wonderful insight.:D

Nice example of a bad analogy.

Car analogies are almost always terrible and a personal pet peeve of mine. I belong to over 40 forums and car analogies persist whether people are talking about video processors or guitars. I think there should be government intervention to ban car analogies from any internet forums that aren't directly car related. lol

The Edge like any device with user upgradeable is a work in progress. I am very glad I jumped in early to sign up for the beta program. I don't know anything about production firmware releases but the Edge is a good value today and the software development for it is very serious and ongoing. This device has excellent support. I am pretty confident future production software releases will make it very clear to all who own one the Edge is excellent and critical part of your AV chain.

I connect my Wii with the three RCA cables.
when using optical audio out: no sound.
when using hdmi audio out: here comes the sound.
I guess this is a bug.

The Edge like any device with user upgradeable is a work in progress . . . and the software development for it is very serious and ongoing. . . . future production software releases will make it very clear to all who own one the Edge is excellent and critical part of your AV chain.

My point exactly: it's not finished. When it is, I may try again. As of now, however, my "chain" is actually less functional with the Edge than without. Maybe I do need a VP50 Pro. I just don't want to spend that much.

Let me boil this down for myself and probably other lurkers. Edge owners and testers please fill in this blank:

"A person should consider buying a DVDO EDGE if:... "

Thanks. :)

they are looking for excellent deinterlacing, very good scaling, and hdmi switching, all in a simple to use unit that is virtually plug and play. One should purchase an Edge "because" it provices core dl and scaling similar (if not identical) to that of the VP50 and VP50Pro, at a fraction of the cost, in an easier to use package. It is also an excellent alternative to a VP50, in that it also adds rudimentary noise reduction, edge enhancement, and detail enhancement.

One should not purchase an Edge if they desire output timings that the Edge does not, and will not provide. ex - I'm using an Edge with my crt projector -- with the Edge, I can no longer send my projector 960p, nor 72mHz outputs, nor can I adjust porches. Doesn't bother me a bit - even tho I'm limited to 1080i60, 720p60, and 1080p60, the picture is as good or better than the one I get using my VP50. For under 1K. And I get 6 hdmi inputs, and a much improved method of firmware upgrade.

As I've stated before, I no longer use my VP50. If I thought anyone was silly enough to purchase it for more than the price of an Edge, I'd sell it tomorrow. (or today ;))

I am a beta tester of the Edge. Within its design limitations, it does everything the VPs do. What more could you want for $799?

And I get 4 hdmi inputs, and a much improved method of firmware upgrade.

Actually there are 6 HDMI ins which gives EDGE an advantage over the VP50 and VP50PRO that more people can benefit from, with the proliferation of HDMI devices.

I connect my Wii with the three RCA cables.
when using optical audio out: no sound.
when using hdmi audio out: here comes the sound.
I guess this is a bug.

Are you sure you don't have to select "Optical Out" like a PS3? It may be set to HDMI for audio and video. Does it default after a FW update?

Is the EDGE a good budget choice to go with my JVC RS1 ?
If not what would be a better choice ?

I Want something with HDMI

I'm considering the Edge, but would like to know before purchasing if it will output native rate to my display.

I've got a 5 year old Panny TH-50PHD6UY 768p plasma. It will accept native rate (1366x768) via its DVI input. In reading through this thread as well as the Edge FAQ on the Anchor Bay web site, my understanding is that the Edge will, in fact, output 768p if the attached display provides this as its preferred resolution via a correctly formatted EDID. Therein is my ultimate question, namely if my Panny is providing a properly formatted EDID.

I've connected the display to my laptop and used the EDID Viewer utility to display the EDID information from the Windows registry. While it displays a lot of information, this seems to be the relevant section:

Preferred Detailed Timing:
Pixel Clock : 86.71 Mhz
Horizontal Active : 1366 pixels
Horizontal Blanking : 426 pixels
Horizontal Sync Offset : 32 pixels
Horizontal Sync Pulse Width : 181 pixels
Horizontal Border : 0 pixels
Horizontal Size : 1100 mm
Vertical Active : 806 lines
Vertical Blanking : 38 lines
Vertical Sync Offset : 16 lines
Vertical Sync Pulse Width : 35 lines
Vertical Border : 0 lines
Vertical Size : 364 mm
Input Type : Digital Separate
Interlaced : False
VerticalPolarity : False
HorizontalPolarity : False

I've contacted DVDO technical support and discussed with them, and offered to email them the EDID dump to get their opinion, but they didn't seem particularly interested (perhaps understandably). Can anyone here offer an opinion as to whether my plasma is correctly communicating its 768p preferred resolution via its EDID, and whether the Edge will then correctly output 768p to the plasma?

Thanks.

Mike

Well, to answer my own question, the Edge sees the preferred timing as 640x480, so no NR for this plasma.

Mike

It's just an idea and it involves and additional investment, but there are externel EDID boxes which can be programmed with anything you like and which sit between the video source (EDGE) and your display.

Well, to answer my own question, the Edge sees the preferred timing as 640x480, so no NR for this plasma.

Mike

you know, you don't have to go with the preferred timing. My preferred timing is 1080p - but I only stay there long enough to change the output settings to the framerate I want.

It's just an idea and it involves and additional investment, but there are externel EDID boxes which can be programmed with anything you like and which sit between the video source (EDGE) and your display.

I did some brief research into these last week, but never could find anything that I felt comfortable would allow me to change the preferred timing. The typical application for these seems to be to allow the display to be turned off but still present the appropriate signalling to the source so that it thinks the display is still active.

If you could point me to a box that would allow me to change to modify the EDID, I'd definitely take a look at it.

Mike

you know, you don't have to go with the preferred timing. My preferred timing is 1080p - but I only stay there long enough to change the output settings to the framerate I want.

Yes, I know, but if I go with an external video processor, even one as modestly priced as the Edge, I'd want native rate to justify my expenditure. :)

Mike

I have to say I am loving the EDGE at the moment. Would recommend people buy one if it looks interesting or potential useful to their set-up. I expect that with the next official production software release these things will start disappearing from stock fairly rapidly.

I have to say I am loving the EDGE at the moment. Would recommend people buy one if it looks interesting or potential useful to their set-up. I expect that with the next official production software release these things will start disappearing from stock fairly rapidly.


"Next" official production software release? I can't find the current one. :confused: Where on the Anchor Bay web site can it be found???

Thanks,

A_C

"Next" official production software release? I can't find the current one. :confused: Where on the Anchor Bay web site can it be found???

Thanks,

A_C

The 'current' one is what came on the production units. There havent been any new public firmware releases since the product was made 'generally available'.

Yes, I know, but if I go with an external video processor, even one as modestly priced as the Edge, I'd want native rate to justify my expenditure. :)

Before giving up on the EDGE, start by feeding your TV the highest resolution that it will accept. Then dial in the image size settings on the EDGE and your TV...I think you will be impressed by the result.

You have a 768p commercial Panny, so here are my settings as an example:

EDGE
Auto Output (1080p60, which is the preferred rez for my TV)
Underscan 5.6%

50PH11UK
H-POS 0
H-SIZE 2
V-POS 1
V-SIZE 2

The result is zero overscan for Blu-ray (PS3) and DVD (Oppo 981). When watching shows on D*, I usually use 2.6-3.0% Zoom on the EDGE to mask the signal junk on some SD programs.

Well, to answer my own question, the Edge sees the preferred timing as 640x480, so no NR for this plasma.

Mike

ouch- that's a bummer. just out of curiosity did you ever run moninfo.exe ?

also does any of the info at http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=3686142&&#post3686142 help?

Maybe I'll buy another when it's finished.

one last note; I had a VP30, and a VP50; the Edge is already more "mature" than the VPs were six months out of the gate. The Edge with shipping firmware is far more stable and forgiving than the early productions VPs.

I recall lots of posts with major unfixed problems; problems that did get solved. With the Edge, we're already farther along the curve, and things will likely only get better as time goes on.

(and you can always buy a 50pro, or a Lumagen. ya know, after a while, the weekly updates I see on the Lummy site could become a drag too....kinda makes me (semi) happy that DVDO only releases a firmware when it is a fairly major upgrade or fix)

one last note; I had a VP30, and a VP50; the Edge is already more "mature" than the VPs were six months out of the gate. The Edge with shipping firmware is far more stable and forgiving than the early productions VPs.

I recall lots of posts with major unfixed problems; problems that did get solved. With the Edge, we're already farther along the curve, and things will likely only get better as time goes on.

(and you can always buy a 50pro, or a Lumagen. ya know, after a while, the weekly updates I see on the Lummy site could become a drag too....kinda makes me (semi) happy that DVDO only releases a firmware when it is a fairly major upgrade or fix)

Also updating the firmware on the EDGE is a breeze and probably takes most people 5-10 minutes at max. Updating the firmware on a VPXX model took 30-45 minutes minimum.

Also updating the firmware on the EDGE is a breeze and probably takes most people 5-10 minutes at max.

I've got it down to less than a minute with alot of practice ;)

I think the timings would be a major sell factor for someone in Europe, since apparently they have both 60HZ and 50HZ SD sources where the 50pro would be able to switch automatically.

Are any of the Beta Tester's allowed to reveal what future firmware updates will be availble with the edge? > I'm sure they have discussed numerous options, and from the sounds of it they mentioned that this factor alone would get the edge flying off the shelves, so can somone clarify what sort of future developments will occur or at least when?

I would like to see the Edge switch it's outputs according to what input is being fed> 24P in 24P out and 60HZ in 60HZ out ~ And the option to turn that auto feature off any-time.

Are any of the Beta Tester's allowed to reveal what future firmware updates will be availble with the edge?

nope. no can do.

Hi ff6849,
Since I last posted there have been a few new developments.
My sparkles returned again and I changed everything I could think of and always came backto the Edge. I arranged for an RMA and 2 days later I had a brand new one with ALL ISSUES RESOLVED except for the PC losing connection. Last night I went to Display Properties/Settings/Troubleshoot from my Windows desktop and un-ticked the "Enable Write Combining" Box. I had read that it could interfere with some video output. Well, I ran the PC through the Edge for a couple of hours after that and it was rock solid. No matter what I tried to do - starting, stopping, canceling movies, moving re-sized around, muting sound etc. it never lost the picture. I'll be testing it more when I get home tonight, but so far so good.
Ken is name of the guy at DVDO who OK'd the RMA after I spoke with him.
Good luck!
Billdag

Are any of the Beta Tester's allowed to reveal what future firmware updates will be availble with the edge?

nope. no can do.
i don't think i'm betraying the letter or spirit of the NDA by 'leaking' my opinion that the firmwares being tested are "good".

and even without regard to the beta process, just based on their history with other products, it's safe to say there is hope for new features that customers have been asking for...

i don't think i'm betraying the letter or spirit of the NDA by 'leaking' my opinion that the firmwares being tested are "good".

and even without regard to the beta process, just based on their history with other products, it's safe to say there is hope for new features that customers have been asking for...

Question re: color space. I know everything out is RBG. Question. If I am inputting 480i to up it to 1080p60 out what color space should I send into the Edge if I have the choice of 422, 444, RBG reg, and RBG expand?

Also if I feed a 1080p60 signal or 1080p24 and want to passthrough the signal, no processing, will the signal still be transferred to RBG or will it stay what I send it in as such as 422?

thanks,
jim

ouch- that's a bummer. just out of curiosity did you ever run moninfo.exe ?

Yes I did, along with a couple of other EDID viewer programs. Here's the moninfo results:


Monitor
Model name............... TH-50P**6
Windows description...... Generic PnP Monitor
Manufacturer............. Panasonic
Plug and Play ID......... MEIA017
Serial number............ 383
Manufacture date......... 2003, ISO week 44
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.1
Input signal type........ Analog 0.700,0.300 (1.0V p-p)
Sync input support....... Separate, Composite, Sync-on-green
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 1100 x 620 mm (49.7 in)
Power management......... Standby
Extension blocs.......... None
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.345
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.291 - Gy 0.635
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.163 - By 0.093
White point (default).... Wx 0.288 - Wy 0.296
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 15-110kHz
Vertical scan range...... 48-120Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 2550MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... No
Detailed timing #1....... 1366x806p at 57Hz
Modeline............... "1366x806" 86.710 1366 1398 1579 1792 806 806 841 844 -hsync -vsync
Detailed timing #2....... 852x480p at 60Hz
Modeline............... "852x480" 34.010 852 880 1016 1072 480 480 540 529 -hsync -vsync

Standard timings supported
720 x 400p at 70Hz - IBM VGA
720 x 400p at 88Hz - IBM XGA2
640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 67Hz - Apple Mac II
640 x 480p at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480p at 75Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 56Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 75Hz - VESA
832 x 624p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II
1024 x 768i at 87Hz - IBM
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024p at 75Hz - VESA
1152 x 870p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II
1360 x 765p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1600 x 1200p at 75Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 960p at 85Hz - VESA STD
1152 x 864p at 85Hz - VESA STD
1024 x 768p at 85Hz - VESA STD
800 x 600p at 85Hz - VESA STD
640 x 480p at 85Hz - VESA STD

Report information
Date generated........... 11/17/2008
Software revision........ 2.11.0.752
Raw data................. 00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,34,A9,17,A0,7F,01,00,00,2C,0D,01,01, 0E,6E,3E,78,88,DA,FF,A3,58,4A,A2,29,
......................... 17,49,4B,FF,FF,80,8B,C0,A9,4F,81,59,71,59,61,59,45,59,31,59, 01,01,DF,21,56,AA,51,26,26,30,20,B5,
......................... 03,06,4C,6C,42,00,00,18,49,0D,54,DC,30,E0,31,10,1C,88,0C,03, 4C,6C,42,00,00,18,00,00,00,FD,00,30,
......................... 78,0F,6E,FF,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FC,00,54,48,2D, 35,30,50,2A,2A,36,0A,20,20,20,00,6E



also does any of the info at http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=3686142&&#post3686142 help?
Interesting, and from 4 years ago :)

does any of the info at http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=3686142&&#post3686142 help?
Interesting, and from 4 years ago :)

well, if you keep going down that path you will eventually turn up http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-807555.html

is *that* recent enough for you? ;)

There are 3 color space choices for HDMI output: RGB, 444 YCbCr, and 422 YCbCr. The Sat/Cable box may or may not have any indication of what it uses in its literature or menus. However, the Edge will tell you what colorspace is input in the input info display.

Really, how? I've checked but I can't find this information on the info screens.

Really, how? I've checked but I can't find this information on the info screens.

I thought this feature was included in the production firmware. My mistake I guess.:o

I thought this feature was included in the production firmware. My mistake I guess.:o

cpcat, can you take a look at my post being that you helped me out in the past with a like question. . . or anyone else who notices while skimming though the tread. . .

Question re: color space. I know everything out is RBG. Question. If I am inputting 480i to up it to 1080p60 out what color space should I send into the Edge if I have the choice of 422, 444, RBG reg, and RBG expand?

Also if I feed a 1080p60 signal or 1080p24 and want to passthrough the signal, no processing, will the signal still be transferred to RBG or will it stay what I send it in as such as 422?

thanks,
jim

Question re: color space. I know everything out is RBG. Question. If I am inputting 480i to up it to 1080p60 out what color space should I send into the Edge if I have the choice of 422, 444, RBG reg, and RBG expand?

Also if I feed a 1080p60 signal or 1080p24 and want to passthrough the signal, no processing, will the signal still be transferred to RBG or will it stay what I send it in as such as 422?

thanks,
jim


Based on this: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15067936#post15067936

I would send it YCC 4:2:2 since that is what the Edge uses internally. Any of the four choices would likely be fine except PC RGB (expanded). I dont know if Edge would recognize that the input was using PC levels and adjust appropriately or just assume Studio/Video levels and crush the blacks.

How does the EDGE handle 1080p24 sources?

For example, when I switch inputs from an SA 8300HD cable box (1080i60) to an LG Blu-ray player (1080p24) does it automatically throttle the output to 1080p24? Or do I have to change it manually?

Thanks,

A_C

How does the EDGE handle 1080p24 sources

This question has already been answered...you would need to manually change the output.

How does the EDGE handle 1080p24 sources?

For example, when I switch inputs from an SA 8300HD cable box (1080i60) to an LG Blu-ray player (1080p24) does it automatically throttle the output to 1080p24? Or do I have to change it manually?

You'll need to manually change the output but apparently this functionality will change with a future firmware update.

How does the EDGE handle 1080p24 sources?

For example, when I switch inputs from an SA 8300HD cable box (1080i60) to an LG Blu-ray player (1080p24) does it automatically throttle the output to 1080p24? Or do I have to change it manually?

Thanks,

A_C

the real question is how well your display handles such a change in output - I'm glad I have to change it manually - when it is left on passthru - every time a BD disk goes from 108060 (menus) to p24, the entire display jumps, stutters, and takes a while to settle down. Evidently this isn't a problem for you, but in my case, leaving output fixed is good. :) (also had hdcp problems with my 50 and PS3 - with one combination of DVDO and Sony firmware, I could see menus, but lost display when actual movie came on)

(above experience based on my prior use of VP, of course) ;)

the real question is how well your display handles such a change in output - I'm glad I have to change it manually - when it is left on passthru - every time a BD disk goes from 108060 (menus) to p24, the entire display jumps, stutters, and takes a while to settle down. Evidently this isn't a problem for you, but in my case, leaving output fixed is good. :) (also had hdcp problems with my 50 and PS3 - with one combination of DVDO and Sony firmware, I could see menus, but lost display when actual movie came on)

(above experience based on my prior use of VP, of course) ;)

I can tell when the set is kicking into 24p mode, such as when transitioning from a Blu-ray disk menu to the actual film. I sometimes lose audio and have to refresh the HDMI connection. It doesn’t happen often enough to be a problem though.

Any timeframe for these alleged firmware updates????

A_C

Any timeframe for these alleged firmware updates????

A_C

gonna have to talk to Anchor Bay/DVDO for that info. other than that, your guess is as good (or better) than mine. (and I wouldn't believe anything anyone else told you, re the time frame of release, unless they had DVDO in their name. ;))

I'd be nice if someone from DVDO could swing by this forum every now and then to update us on relative questions and issues on the edge> anyone hear of any reps filling in for Josh on here?

I would like to buy an edge, but until eg I can tell it to output 1080p and it will then detect that im sending it 24/50/60hz and treat it accordingly, Im going to wait!

Shouldn't be much longer....

well, if you keep going down that path you will eventually turn up http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-807555.html

is *that* recent enough for you? ;)

Thanks, Stretch. My comment was only meant to point out that my recent uncertainty about the preferred timing reported by my Panny plasma was common knowledge among some folks as far back as four years ago. If I had been paying attention then, I could have saved myself some trouble :)

Mike

one last note; I had a VP30, and a VP50; the Edge is already more "mature" than the VPs were six months out of the gate. The Edge with shipping firmware is far more stable and forgiving than the early productions VPs.

I recall lots of posts with major unfixed problems; problems that did get solved. With the Edge, we're already farther along the curve, and things will likely only get better as time goes on.

I remember all that. I almost bought a VP30 when first released but, luckily, chickened out. I followed its fate here before I eventually gave up. (IIRC, it too had problems with audio.) That's why I was primed and ready for the Edge. Unfortunately, it wasn't (isn't) ready for me. It may well be "more mature" but it is not yet mature enough. Put as clearly as I know how: It simply did not work for me and there was nothing I could adjust to make it work. That's the bottom line. (Remember the early days of PnP and PCI?)


(and you can always buy a 50pro, or a Lumagen. ya know, after a while, the weekly updates I see on the Lummy site could become a drag too....kinda makes me (semi) happy that DVDO only releases a firmware when it is a fairly major upgrade or fix)

Who are you trying to convince? Why so snotty? I'm not pushing Lumagen--never even mentioned them.

I wish DVDO had waited till Edge's firmware was was finished. As I said, maybe later. Bottom line (again): it did not work.

Put as clearly as I know how: It simply did not work for me and there was nothing I could adjust to make it work. That's the bottom line.

I wish DVDO had waited till Edge's firmware was was finished. As I said, maybe later. Bottom line (again): it did not work.

Bottom line: we hear you loud and clear. See ya again soon! :D

Has this issue been resolved yet? I'm thinking about trading in my VP50 for the Edge if HBR audio can be passed.

How is the remote controller in this, is it as bad as VP50Pro or has there been improvement on this?

Does the remote have to be pointed directly or will just about anything go? :D

Has this issue been resolved yet? I'm thinking about trading in my VP50 for the Edge if HBR audio can be passed.

Yes it works fine with the Denon AVR4308ci. The initial report was not correct.

How is the remote controller in this, is it as bad as VP50Pro or has there been improvement on this?

Does the remote have to be pointed directly or will just about anything go? :D

The remote is really a customized URC R7 and can control your complete system if required. It is no where as sensitve to alignment as the VP series

Yes I did, along with a couple of other EDID viewer programs. Here's the moninfo results:


Monitor
Model name............... TH-50P**6
Windows description...... Generic PnP Monitor
Manufacturer............. Panasonic
Plug and Play ID......... MEIA017
Serial number............ 383
Manufacture date......... 2003, ISO week 44
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.1
Input signal type........ Analog 0.700,0.300 (1.0V p-p)
Sync input support....... Separate, Composite, Sync-on-green
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 1100 x 620 mm (49.7 in)
Power management......... Standby
Extension blocs.......... None
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.345
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.291 - Gy 0.635
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.163 - By 0.093
White point (default).... Wx 0.288 - Wy 0.296
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 15-110kHz
Vertical scan range...... 48-120Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 2550MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... No
Detailed timing #1....... 1366x806p at 57Hz
Modeline............... "1366x806" 86.710 1366 1398 1579 1792 806 806 841 844 -hsync -vsync
Detailed timing #2....... 852x480p at 60Hz
Modeline............... "852x480" 34.010 852 880 1016 1072 480 480 540 529 -hsync -vsync

Standard timings supported
720 x 400p at 70Hz - IBM VGA
720 x 400p at 88Hz - IBM XGA2
640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 67Hz - Apple Mac II
640 x 480p at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480p at 75Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 56Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 75Hz - VESA
832 x 624p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II
1024 x 768i at 87Hz - IBM
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024p at 75Hz - VESA
1152 x 870p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II
1360 x 765p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1600 x 1200p at 75Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 960p at 85Hz - VESA STD
1152 x 864p at 85Hz - VESA STD
1024 x 768p at 85Hz - VESA STD
800 x 600p at 85Hz - VESA STD
640 x 480p at 85Hz - VESA STD

Report information
Date generated........... 11/17/2008
Software revision........ 2.11.0.752
Raw data................. 00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,34,A9,17,A0,7F,01,00,00,2C,0D,01,01, 0E,6E,3E,78,88,DA,FF,A3,58,4A,A2,29,
......................... 17,49,4B,FF,FF,80,8B,C0,A9,4F,81,59,71,59,61,59,45,59,31,59, 01,01,DF,21,56,AA,51,26,26,30,20,B5,
......................... 03,06,4C,6C,42,00,00,18,49,0D,54,DC,30,E0,31,10,1C,88,0C,03, 4C,6C,42,00,00,18,00,00,00,FD,00,30,
......................... 78,0F,6E,FF,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FC,00,54,48,2D, 35,30,50,2A,2A,36,0A,20,20,20,00,6E




Interesting, and from 4 years ago :)

I have the TH50PHD6 as well.

Why does it report 1366x806 above? its a 768p panel.:confused:

Yes I did, along with a couple of other EDID viewer programs. Here's the moninfo results:

If you go waaaay back in this thread you will find a good explanation from Josh regarding non-standard timings and how it relates to the EDGE Auto Output setting

I have the TH50PHD6 as well.

Why does it report 1366x806 above? its a 768p panel.:confused:

Although it's not obvious to me from the moninfo output, it's actually reporting 640x480 as it's preferred resolution, because that's what the Edge sets its output to if configured for Auto Select.

Mike

If you go waaaay back in this thread you will find a good explanation from Josh regarding non-standard timings and how it relates to the EDGE Auto Output setting

Before embarking on this journey, I read all of that, and I do understand. The Edge will output 768p in "Auto Select" output mode if the display correctly conveys 768p as it's preferred resolution via its EDID. My fundamental question from the beginning has been whether my Panny TH-50PHD6UY is doing this correctly. Aside from all the speculation and trying to decipher EDID information, I ultimately bought an Edge to find out, and what I found out is that the Edge sees its preferred resolution as 640x480.


Mike

Before embarking on this journey, I read all of that, and I do understand. The Edge will output 768p in "Auto Select" output mode if the display correctly conveys 768p as it's preferred resolution via its EDID. My fundamental question from the beginning has been whether my Panny TH-50PHD6UY is doing this correctly. Aside from all the speculation and trying to decipher EDID information, I ultimately bought an Edge to find out, and what I found out is that the Edge sees its preferred resolution as 640x480.


Mike

huh. That's a bummer. I have a 720p plasma and a 1080p projector. I've had nightmares about the time I've spent trying to get everything to work properly w/the monoprice HDMI matrix switcher.

To the DVDO guy or anyoen with experience (this thread is too long to search all the way through):

Would the Edge be able to determine which display was active and auto-adjust the resolution, or would it be something that I would have to tell it do via remote?

Before embarking on this journey, I read all of that, and I do understand. The Edge will output 768p in "Auto Select" output mode if the display correctly conveys 768p as it's preferred resolution via its EDID. My fundamental question from the beginning has been whether my Panny TH-50PHD6UY is doing this correctly. Aside from all the speculation and trying to decipher EDID information, I ultimately bought an Edge to find out, and what I found out is that the Edge sees its preferred resolution as 640x480.
Mike
yeah i feel a little bad about that since i was egging you on from the sidelines. which is why i tried to help with the firmware flash link. i suppose the EDID "update" procedure was a little extreme, but it sounds like you could try calling panasonic and ask them to exchange your card for one with a serial number greater than YZ4340001. or are just going to run the edge at 720p for a while? or just return the edge?

Subject: RE: Firmware Updates? (#6914-xxxxx-xxxx)

Hi <me>,

Thank you for contacting us. Unfortunately, there is no date yet for the new release of firmware. Please keep checking the Anchor Bay website for updates.

If you have any questions feel free to email us at edgesupport@dvdo.com or call us at 1.877.382.EDGE(3343)

Sincerely,
Lawrence
Edgesupport

yeah i feel a little bad about that since i was egging you on from the sidelines. which is why i tried to help with the firmware flash link. i suppose the EDID "update" procedure was a little extreme, but it sounds like you could try calling panasonic and ask them to exchange your card for one with a serial number greater than YZ4340001. or are just going to run the edge at 720p for a while? or just return the edge?

Stretch,

Nothing to feel bad about. I've got a 30 day return window, and I've actually enjoyed tinkering with the Edge. Having it display detailed information about the input signal is almost worth the price alone. It removes a lot of the mystery and guess work from source device settings and such.

Ultimately, I'm probably going to return the Edge. My primary reason for getting it was to see if it would correct a few HDMI/DVI issues that I've encountered with my new BDP-05FD and SC-07 connected to my older plasma. Interestingly, the 480p output of the SC-07 setup screens does not display via the DVI input of my plasma. For what ever reason the display is unable to lock on to a signal. I can hook it up via component to the display, and it works fine. I also have the same issue with the HMG screens of the SC-07 as well as my progressive scan DVD player when its hooked to the SC-07.

I did confirm, as expected, that the Edge masks all of those problems and outputs a solid HDMI/DVI signal that my plasma will happily display. However, it's not NR, and it comes at additional complexity in controlling everything. The controlling issue could probably be addressed by a universal remote, but I've never ventured down that road and don't want to right now for a variety of reasons.

Also, quite honestly, I don't think I see enough of an improvement in PQ to make it worthwhile. Again, I suspect a big part of the reason might be the age of my display and DVI board, coupled with the native rate issue.

So my new strategy with the wife is shaping up to be saving $800 on the Edge which will make a good down payment on a Signature Elite 141 plasma which will bring us into the 21st century and solve all of these problems :D

Mike

Lawrence... thanks for popping in!

I love the Edge and I'm looking forward to the software update as well.

Best regards

RJ
...

Hi

I have a little "stupid" question ;-). Is there a way to get a analog audio out signal (cinch red/white)? My stereo is analog with a propretary surround sound (Naim AV1, NAC 52) and i dont want to change my HiFi Gear.

Cheers, Reto

reto, nope, no analog out...

Shouldn't be much longer....

Ok got another question. I was told that the Edge processes everything to 10 bit RBG. I was also told that if you through something that is 1080p24 at it that is a higher rate like take the new Sony, it outs 12 bit correct, that the signal will be taken down and output at 10 bit. This is fact as I understand it.

Question. . .isn't this taking away the point of these newer players that can handle higher bit rates? or am I missing something. am I correct ot assume that even though the media is 8 bit everything out of say the sony is whatever it's bit rate such as 12 would be?

jimi

So my new strategy with the wife is shaping up to be saving $800 on the Edge which will make a good down payment on a Signature Elite 141 plasma which will bring us into the 21st century and solve all of these problems :D

nice- no argument here. sounds like you gave the Edge a very fair chance at least. enjoy your new plasma!

Hi

I have a little "stupid" question ;-). Is there a way to get a analog audio out signal (cinch red/white)? My stereo is analog with a propretary surround sound (Naim AV1, NAC 52) and i dont want to change my HiFi Gear.

Cheers, Reto


I am in a similar situation. This device is quite nice, I use it to convert digital optical out to r/w stereo analog.

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=4907

HTH, Stu

the real question is how well your display handles such a change in output - I'm glad I have to change it manually - when it is left on passthru - every time a BD disk goes from 108060 (menus) to p24, the entire display jumps, stutters, and takes a while to settle down. Evidently this isn't a problem for you, but in my case, leaving output fixed is good. :) (also had hdcp problems with my 50 and PS3 - with one combination of DVDO and Sony firmware, I could see menus, but lost display when actual movie came on)

(above experience based on my prior use of VP, of course) ;)

I have a similar HDCP handshake problem with my LG BH100 bluray player and VP50pro> poping in either bluray or SD dvd's would cause the curtains to close on the screen but it continued to play the movie, I had to unplug then plug into differnt HDMI port till handshake was complete then replug into original TV hdmi port, it worked no problems afterwars, but still annoying, I hope the edge is as precise as everyone says it is regarding handshakes and switching etc.

I've got a 30 day return window, and I've actually enjoyed tinkering with the Edge. Having it display detailed information about the input signal is almost worth the price alone. It removes a lot of the mystery and guess work from source device settings and such.

I recommend holding on to your EDGE awhile longer in case an updated production firmware is released before your 30-day return window closes. Just a thought...

I second that! ^^^ ;)

Hmmmmm...... reading between the lines... I wonder if we will have some new code to play with over the Thanksgiving break? fingers crossed.....

I wouldn't be surprised. :D

Picked up the edge to nite but yet to hook up.I have a question for all of you.I have the Denon 4306,and any familuar with this amp know any HDMI input is just passed through with no video processing.Only analog inputs are upscaled to 1080i.The manual for the edge says to hook the hdmi inputs to it, then audio HDMI to the Denon amp .Now with some of the issues surrounding audio out of the edge concerning sound drop outs etc...,I was thinking of just using the HDMI video output from my amp,which currently goes to my Sony SXRD ,and just connect it through the edge ,then to the TV.That way the audio is always hooked to the Denon first and I can just use the Denon as my audio/video switcher.This way, because I have preset my Denon amp for different sound fields for different components ,I will continue to use the amp as my switching device for all HDMI inputs.I will hook all analog devices direct to the edge and use the optical out on the edge for sound for the analog devices.Any thoughts guys.??I know I could just use the edge as my HDMI switcher but I see no advantage doing so otherwise.

Kind of an esoteric question, but...

I have a PS3, a 1080p TV that supports HDMI 1.3 (the Costco semi-equivalent of a Sony Bravia XBR4), and a 7.1 receiver that only supports HDMI 1.2a and can only pass through 1080i (Panasonic SA-XR57).

Right now, with these three components, I have to choose between a 1080p picture with 5.1 surround sound (connecting the PS3 to the TV directly via HDMI, and to the receiver with an optical cable), and a 1080i picture with 7.1 surround (putting the PS3, receiver, and TV in an HDMI chain).

If I were to buy an Edge and arrange things so the PS3 feeds into the Edge, which then feeds to the receiver via the audio-only HDMI out and the TV via the full HDMI out... could I get both a 1080p picture and 7.1 surround sound? Would the chain between the PS3 and TV be HDMI 1.3 (i.e. support deep color and whatnot), or would it still get hobbled to 1.2 by the receiver?

Thanks for any insight; I've been looking around, but haven't seen a whole lot about mixed-version HDMI chains--and even less about splitting the chain to two different-version components.

Picked up the edge to nite but yet to hook up.I have a question for all of you.I have the Denon 4306,and any familuar with this amp know any HDMI input is just passed through with no video processing.Only analog inputs are upscaled to 1080i.The manual for the edge says to hook the hdmi inputs to it, then audio HDMI to the Denon amp .Now with some of the issues surrounding audio out of the edge concerning sound drop outs etc...,I was thinking of just using the HDMI video output from my amp,which currently goes to my Sony SXRD ,and just connect it through the edge ,then to the TV.That way the audio is always hooked to the Denon first and I can just use the Denon as my audio/video switcher.This way, because I have preset my Denon amp for different sound fields for different components ,I will continue to use the amp as my switching device for all HDMI inputs.I will hook all analog devices direct to the edge and use the optical out on the edge for sound for the analog devices.Any thoughts guys.??I know I could just use the edge as my HDMI switcher but I see no advantage doing so otherwise.

As long as the receiver is a true pass-thru for HDMI video, there's no problem with this. It's the way mine is configured. You do lose per-input settings on the Edge as well as auto lip-sync correction.

Kind of an esoteric question, but...

I have a PS3, a 1080p TV that supports HDMI 1.3 (the Costco semi-equivalent of a Sony Bravia XBR4), and a 7.1 receiver that only supports HDMI 1.2a and can only pass through 1080i (Panasonic SA-XR57).

Right now, with these three components, I have to choose between a 1080p picture with 5.1 surround sound (connecting the PS3 to the TV directly via HDMI, and to the receiver with an optical cable), and a 1080i picture with 7.1 surround (putting the PS3, receiver, and TV in an HDMI chain).

If I were to buy an Edge and arrange things so the PS3 feeds into the Edge, which then feeds to the receiver via the audio-only HDMI out and the TV via the full HDMI out... could I get both a 1080p picture and 7.1 surround sound? Would the chain between the PS3 and TV be HDMI 1.3 (i.e. support deep color and whatnot), or would it still get hobbled to 1.2 by the receiver?

Thanks for any insight; I've been looking around, but haven't seen a whole lot about mixed-version HDMI chains--and even less about splitting the chain to two different-version components.

It's not esoteric at all. The Edge should solve this issue nicely.

Just wanted to bump this. . .

Ok got another question. As we know the Edge processes everything to 10 bit RBG.

So if we pass a 1080p24 signal to the unit it will be processed and output at 1080p24 10 bit RBG.

Question. . .isn't this taking away the point of these newer players that can handle higher bit rates? When the new players like the Sony or Pioneers process at higher bit rates like 12 or 14 we loose that new info. So doesn't that take away the advantage of sending BluRay players through the edge if we are only using the player for 1080p24 output?

jimi

isn't this taking away the point of these newer players that can handle higher bit rates?

you've already drunk the Kool-Aid, so bumping isn't going to help.

I'm thinking about getting one of these - what is the potential problem with using it from the AVR to the TV (AVR->Edge->TV) rather than Edge->AVR->TV?

you've already drunk the Kool-Aid, so bumping isn't going to help.

Ok don't really know what you mean by your comment. Maybe that it is a stupid question, if so then providing your answer to my question should be a breeze.

Just wanted to bump this. . .

Ok got another question. As we know the Edge processes everything to 10 bit RBG.

So if we pass a 1080p24 signal to the unit it will be processed and output at 1080p24 10 bit RBG.

Question. . .isn't this taking away the point of these newer players that can handle higher bit rates? When the new players like the Sony or Pioneers process at higher bit rates like 12 or 14 we loose that new info. So doesn't that take away the advantage of sending BluRay players through the edge if we are only using the player for 1080p24 output?

jimi

The Edge processes in 10 bit 422 YCbCr. With current production firmware it converts all signals to 8 bit RGB before output. This will change soon.

"Deep Color" via HDMI 1.3 is max 12 bit 444 YCbCr. There is no 14 bit variety at this point. No current sources are actually encoded with anything greater than 8 bits including BD.

"Upsampling" to 10 or 12 bits can be done which I think is what you are referring to. The Edge has no problem accepting this signal, but AFAIK the highest bit depth the Edge will output (with upcoming firmware) is 10 bit 422.

The display must be able to accept the higher bit depth for it to work. Even then, it may or may not make any visible difference.

Even then, it may or may not make any visible difference.

and that's prolly where the koolaid reference comes in. I'm running what was at one point in time a high dollar crt. It only accepts RGB. It looks fine.

While there may be a very small subset of displays that will accept 12 bit color depth, there is likely an even smaller subset of people who could tell the difference in a double blind test. (I will spend tons of money on miniscule improvements to my audio system; but I'm pretty danged happy with my video rig, and am quite content with what I have, Edge included.)

Thing is, if you have a display that will handle higher color depths, and you bought it because you can see the difference, the Edge may not be for you - it isn't cutting edge - its just cutting edge when it comes to price/performance. ;)

I'm thinking about getting one of these - what is the potential problem with using it from the AVR to the TV (AVR->Edge->TV) rather than Edge->AVR->TV?

other than possibility of hdcp problems, and whether or not your avr can be trusted to output the signal input without processing or bandwidth limitations, nothing.

The Edge is designed to allow a Y-output, with 2 hdmi out - one for your TV, and an audio one for your avr. Which to me, seems to be the cleanest, most obvious connection method - with no possibility of signal degradation between the Edge and display. If/when I get an hdmi-capable avr/prepro, that's how I'm going to run it.

The Edge processes in 10 bit 422 YCbCr. With current production firmware it converts all signals to 8 bit RGB before output. This will change soon.

"Deep Color" via HDMI 1.3 is max 12 bit 444 YCbCr. There is no 14 bit variety at this point. No current sources are actually encoded with anything greater than 8 bits including BD.

"Upsampling" to 10 or 12 bits can be done which I think is what you are referring to. The Edge has no problem accepting this signal, but AFAIK the highest bit depth the Edge will output (with upcoming firmware) is 10 bit 422.

The display must be able to accept the higher bit depth for it to work. Even then, it may or may not make any visible difference.

Re: deep color, if 1.3 can only handle 12 bit then how will the new Pioneer pass 16 bit?

Upsampling is what I was referring to. I figured it would be able to accept it. I was wondering if there would be a noticable diff in pic quality if you are taking 8 bit material and upsampling it to 10 or 12 bit in a player and then again downsampling it in the edge to 8 or 10 bit soon.

That's all, I thought it was a good question but then again I was drunk off koolaide I think at the time.

Thanks for any help and answering my question. you have been a great help to me in this forum.

thanks,
jim

Oh to add I forgot one of the features of the new sony is to select 10 or 12 bit processing of material. this actually is a good idea if you due run media through the edge. At least you can avoid a additional down or up sampling. I think that is the only player right now that does that?

This is getting a bit confusing. You have 8, 10, 12 and 16 bit all mentioned in the same post. Pass the Koolaide. :confused:

I'm thinking about getting one of these - what is the potential problem with using it from the AVR to the TV (AVR->Edge->TV) rather than Edge->AVR->TV?

One of my experiments with the Edge was to set it up this way, and it worked fine. I had two HDMI sources and one component source connected to my SC-07 receiver, a single HDMI out from the SC-07 to the Edge and a single HDMI/DVI from the Edge to my display. The SC-07 converted component to HDMI, but did no other manipulation of input signals.

I actually preferred this setup because it let me select/switch input sources at the receiver instead of the Edge.

Mike

I believe I read somewhere in this thread about someone with a Popcorn Hour A100.

I finally got around to hooking up my Edge last night and hooked my Popcorn Hour A100 up to it (running the latest firmware) and could not get anything to play through the edge. Tried MKV, ISO, AVI, you name it---every single time I try to play something from the A100 my Samsung LN52a750 will go black (don't ever see the Popcorn buffering screen) and then comeback to the A100 menu/home screen.


I've tried setting the A100 to output 1080p60 and 1080p24 and neither work. My Edge is set to output 1080p24 to my Samsung.

Anyone have any ideas? Anyone have a Popcorn Hour working successfully with the Edge?

Thanks!

Anyone have any ideas? Anyone have a Popcorn Hour working successfully with the Edge?

Thanks!

No problem with my A-100 1080p60 HDMI in and out of the Edge.

That's all, I thought it was a good question but then again I was drunk off koolaide I think at the time.

Thanks for any help and answering my question. you have been a great help to me in this forum.

thanks,
jim



uh - fwiw, (in a location that can't be disclosed) there may have been virtually interminable discussions re colorspace, color depth, and decoding. while there are those who understand it (not me,) finding two people who understand and agree with each other is something entirely different.

Logically the fewer up and down conversions the better. (duh - sry) As for taking the 8 bit material, upsampling for internal processing, and then downsampling for rgb output - I view it as insurance...when done properly, as it appears to be in the DVDO, its just another way of not introducing rounding errors, or anything else. It can't improve anything, but it can insure that the signal is not degraded during the processing. maybe a little like the 24 bit DACs in my old Denon cd player...overkill, but I liked the way they sounded.

I believe I read somewhere in this thread about someone with a Popcorn Hour A100.

I finally got around to hooking up my Edge last night and hooked my Popcorn Hour A100 up to it (running the latest firmware) and could not get anything to play through the edge. Tried MKV, ISO, AVI, you name it---every single time I try to play something from the A100 my Samsung LN52a750 will go black (don't ever see the Popcorn buffering screen) and then comeback to the A100 menu/home screen.


I've tried setting the A100 to output 1080p60 and 1080p24 and neither work. My Edge is set to output 1080p24 to my Samsung.

Anyone have any ideas? Anyone have a Popcorn Hour working successfully with the Edge?

Thanks!

Hi Talman,
Can the Popcorn A100 play mpeg-4 video purchased from iTunes?

Hi Talman,
Can the Popcorn A100 play mpeg-4 video purchased from iTunes?
Not sure on that one but of any of these types of devices out there the popcorn hour has BY FAR the broadest container/codec support.

While there may be a very small subset of displays that will accept 12 bit color depth, there is likely an even smaller subset of people who could tell the difference in a double blind test.

It does tend to be difficult to discern the difference between color depth encoding while blindfolded. ;)

Re: deep color, if 1.3 can only handle 12 bit then how will the new Pioneer pass 16 bit?



16 bit is part of the HDMI 1.3 spec. 14 bit is not AFAIK.

16 bit is part of the HDMI 1.3 spec. 14 bit is not AFAIK.

So it's various bit rates. Not just anything say up to 12. I never knew that. So It can handle 12, 16, 10, 8 but not 14.

You learn something every day. Anywhere I can read some easy to understand stuff on it?

Thanks,
jimi

uh - fwiw, (in a location that can't be disclosed) there may have been virtually interminable discussions re colorspace, color depth, and decoding. while there are those who understand it (not me,) finding two people who understand and agree with each other is something entirely different.

Guess I didn't get the invitation. :(

No big deal. . .

jimi

trust me... you didn't want to read it... ;)

So it's various bit rates. Not just anything say up to 12. I never knew that. So It can handle 12, 16, 10, 8 but not 14.

You learn something every day. Anywhere I can read some easy to understand stuff on it?

Thanks,
jimi

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9445345#post9445345

http://www.hdmi.org/pdf/HDMI_Insert_FINAL_8-30-06.pdf

trust me... you didn't want to read it... ;)

lol

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9445345#post9445345

http://www.hdmi.org/pdf/HDMI_Insert_FINAL_8-30-06.pdf

Ok here's what I got out of that. If you output 8 bit use 4:2:2 and if you are able to output 10 or 12 bit use 4:4:4.

But then in some above posts I get that only 4:4:4 uses 8 bit and 10 or 12 is used by 4:2:2?

Is it me or they saying the opposite things?

1st statement:
Optional" and *POSSIBLY* superior for HDMI to HDMI is YCbCr 4:2:2. This can only be "better" if the devices at both ends will support greater than 8 bit samples (as the Anthem does).

YCbCr 4:2:2 comes in 3 different flavors -- 8 bits per sample, 10 bits per sample, or 12 bits per sample. This is typically selected automatically by the devices at either end of the cable -- they use the highest sample size they both support. YCbCr 4:4:4 always uses 8 bits per sample (at least until HDMI V1.3 connections arrive). YCbCr 4:2:2 supports the higher sample size because it only sends one color sample for each two luminance samples across each line.

2nd statement:
YCbCr 4:2:2 will typically be mentioned explicitly in the owner's manual for any HDMI device if it is actually available as an optional setting. Look closely for any hints as to whether the implementation is for 8, 10, or 12 bit samples. If for 10 or 12 bit samples, then using YCbCr 4:2:2 to or from the Anthem is well worth a try. You will have to judge by eye which works better for you. I suggest you look at gray scale and color ramps if you can get them. 8 bit YCbCr 4:2:2, on the other hand, should only be used if you have no other choice.

Is it me or are they opposite?

jimi

So I have my 6416 cable box hooked up to the edge by HDMI and while watching HD hockey on the HD feed I noticed jaggies or ripples on the boards around the ice and also a ripply silk screen effect on the top two thirds of my display.Did a input info check to see what the hd feed was,because before I got the Edge,this channel did not have this problem,but that could be this individual feed to-nite only,the input feed was 480P.So much for true HD feeds.Anyways I did some reading in this forum,and turned on the Game mode.BINGO,the silk screen effect ripples and jaggies gone.WHY did this cure the issue.I thought Game mode was for Games??Oh Yea that was a hockey game.LOL seriousily guys why did turning on the game mode clean up the picture on a 480P input?

Well I have a problem.Can anybody help.It appears I have an issue with input for HD 1080i signal out of my Motorola 6416.I did an Info check through my Edge Menu and all the Hd Inputs are picked up as 480P??????the 6416 is set up on HDMI for 1080i.I took the edge out of the loop and hooked direct to my Sony SXRD and it displays 1080i as the input for all hd channels,yet with the edge it shows 480p.Further more with the 480p sensed as the input the edge is doing the scaling to 1080P Ok ,according to its info and the Sony tv but i get this wiggles ,jaggies and silk screen effect unless I put game mode on.Also playing around with the EDGE menu my Zoom and Pan only adjusts for the Zoom funtions,not the PAN functions.DoI have a bad Edge???Help if you can???

Sorry guys I realized the pan function does not work unless it is Zoomed.My boo boo for not reading the manual but this 1080i input,sensed as a 480P input has got me baffled?

So I did some more experimenting on the above input problem.I sent the cable box through my AVR then to the edge.Same issueThen i switched from HDMI 1 on the edge t0 HDMI 3 to see if i had a bad HDMI socket on the EDGE.Same problem.Switched my HDMI cable even though it seemed fine hooked direct to my TV.Same problem.Info on sd channels reads properly at 480i but still reads 480p on the HD channels even though the 6416 motorola box is outputing 1080i.Also with my toshiba XA2 playing the edge will shut down all by itself which is wierd.Restarted thr EDGE 3 times and it would operate about three minutes and shut down again.NOT GOOD.Looks like I may have to take this device back unless i get some anwers.

Anyone have any ideas? Anyone have a Popcorn Hour working successfully with the Edge?

I have a A-110 and have no problems in combination with EDGE. I output 1080p59.94.

Would someone tell me what the "official" term is for the anomaly described below? I have seen it on SD and HD sources - it is very annoying.

When a person is wearing a suit with pinstripes, or a small checkered pattern, and the person moves, the stripes (or checkered boxes) appear to blend together. Another example is a tall building with many windows. They look fine while the camera is motionless, but as the camera pans the windows lose their outline, and it appears as though the windows are shimmering.

What is the root cause of this problem?
Will the Edge correct this type of problem? If yes, is there a specific setting that has to be enabled?