Thought i'd create a seperate thread for these 2 HD LCD TV's and get your take/comment/opinion on which one you guys think will have a better picture quality. I know i've mentioned this in some threads but didn't want to hijack those.

Samsung LN-55A950 - MSRP $4,199.99

http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/07/23/ln55a950d1fxza/ln55a950_spec.pdf


Sony KDL-55XBR8 - $TBA

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/04/14/sony-kdl-xbr6-kdl-xbr7-and-kdl-xbr8-specs-and-release-dates/


Do you think they'll be equal in Black level?

a little early don't you think?

but man this is going to be a battle...samsung won the last battle with the 6&7 series lcd's

Well, I've really studied the Sammy A950 now... seen it twice, and spent over an hour each time with it, looking at it from all angles with all sorts of source material being played. I posted many pictures and videos of it in the other thread.

I will see if the SonyStyle store in Midtown has the XBR8 on display. If so, I will again spend hours in front of it... too bad I can't do a side by side, but this will be the closest thing.

Luckily, I live right around the block from both the Samsung Experience and SonyStyle store, so I'll give my impressions as soon as I can.

Cheers!

Well, I've really studied the Sammy A950 now... seen it twice, and spent over an hour each time with it, looking at it from all angles with all sorts of source material being played. I posted many pictures and videos of it in the other thread.

I will see if the SonyStyle store in Midtown has the XBR8 on display. If so, I will again spend hours in front of it... too bad I can't do a side by side, but this will be the closest thing.

Luckily, I live right around the block from both the Samsung Experience and SonyStyle store, so I'll give my impressions as soon as I can.

Cheers!

Sweetness! I hope Sony has the xbr8 on display

a little early don't you think?

but man this is going to be a battle...samsung won the last battle with the 6&7 series lcd's

Yes i know it's early but i was just pretty excited about it :D wanted to get everyone else's feedback on it.

Well, I've really studied the Sammy A950 now... seen it twice, and spent over an hour each time with it, looking at it from all angles with all sorts of source material being played. I posted many pictures and videos of it in the other thread.

I will see if the SonyStyle store in Midtown has the XBR8 on display. If so, I will again spend hours in front of it... too bad I can't do a side by side, but this will be the closest thing.

Luckily, I live right around the block from both the Samsung Experience and SonyStyle store, so I'll give my impressions as soon as I can.

Cheers!

MM,

Really appreciate bro. Too bad there's no Samsung experience around here. I'll also check and see this weekened if the SonyStyle close here has the XBR8 but would like to hear your impressions on it.

Hey JamE55, you're not the same person from mbworld.org are you? just curious...

Hey JamE55, you're not the same person from mbworld.org are you? just curious...

What's up MM? Yeah same person bro. Who's this?

Also what did you find out? :)

Nice time to start this thread as I'm sure it's going to be a great discussion for the coming weeks and months.

One question I have - and it's been discussed in some of the other threads for these models - is how the RGB LED setup in the Sony will differ from White LED setup in the Samsung (assuming it is using a similar approach as the 81 series). Specifically, does this mean that Sony will not be incorporating a Color Filter in the XBR8 since the RGB source can essentially create the entire visible color spectrum? If so, what advantages if any could this give the XBR8 over the 950?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts

The advantages of color 2D-dimming vs. 2D-dimming are better contrast, bigger color gamut and lower power consumption. On paper, big advantage to XBR8 unless 950 has a lot more zones.

Thanks vtms... can you elaborate on the potential power advantage in the XBR8 setup? It's not completely intuitive why RGB would be better.

Thanks vtms... can you elaborate on the potential power advantage in the XBR8 setup? It's not completely intuitive why RGB would be better.Let's say the screen displays a green frame. With white LEDs (blue LEDs with yellow phosphor coatings) a portion of that white light spectrum must be substracted/wasted so that the only color left after the "substraction" is green. With RGB LEDs, the same could be achieved by simply activating green LEDs with red and blue LEDs not drawing any power. That's my understanding.

Here's a nice article about color 2D-dimming:
http://www.eetasia.com/STATIC/PDF/200806/EEOL_2008JUNE16_OPT_ACC_TA_01.pdf?SOURCES=DOWNLOAD

Very interesting article. So if I understand:

Let's say we have one white LED (at 1W to keep it simple). To show a green frame, the LED will be using 1W and the light will be filtered to extract only the green color. The rest of the light will be wasted as heat.

For RGB LED's, the cluster of 1W may only need to turn on the green LED component. So again to keep it easy, it would only use 1/3W for the same green frame.

All of this assumes no dimming BTW. But it's seems to me that RBG can pontentially provide not only better contrast, color gamut, and power consumption, but it may also allow for much "finer" dimming control.

One more thing... I never really thought through how the dimming algorithm works until I read through the article. Since LCD's can be transitioned from opaque to transparent (think digital - open or closed) and the light source can be independently dimmed (almost like an analog signal), there appear to be endless combinations of dimming techniques. You could almost envision a future in which the LCD pixels would stay open (transparent) and the picture would be controlled completely by the backlight.

Hmmm...

RGB LEDs should consume less watts in theory


Problem is, the Sim2/Dolbyvision prototype (which uses RGB LEDs) consumes 2Kwatts:eek: and the Brightside RGB LED prototypes were ALSO very Watt hungry as well:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=916868

i'm thinking that perhaps the rgb led from the xbr8's might give sony's the slight edge over the a950...

both tv's will be phenomenal but my guess is that the sony might slightly get the edge over the samsung this time because of the rgb factor...but i know nothing about the intracacies of what makes a picture good considering i'm sure there are way more factors than just what the l.e.d is

this is a pretty exciting match-up

i'm thinking that perhaps the rgb led from the xbr8's might give sony's the slight edge over the a950...

both tv's will be phenomenal but my guess is that the sony might slightly get the edge over the samsung this time because of the rgb factor...but i know nothing about the intracacies of what makes a picture good considering i'm sure there are way more factors than just what the l.e.d is

this is a pretty exciting match-up

Why don't we just wait for both models to come out first before we start claiming one model has an edge over the other!

The other thing that might give Sony the edge is a matte screen. The xbr8 is coming with a matte screen right?

I think it's piano black bezel but matte (or maybe semi-matte) screen.

Why don't we just wait for both models to come out first before we start claiming one model has an edge over the other!

of course...i'm just guessing...considering how good the 650 and the 750 are its not out of the question that samsung can beat sony again...

these are currently the two titans in the lcd world

and even though i'm guessing that sony might have the slight edge in the l.e.d on paper because they chose the rgb route and i can't see sony letting samsung beat them two years in a row

l.e.d is new and could have issues...

who knows i'm happy with my a750...i can't see anything getting that much better within only a year

Perhaps rgb LED is better than white LED but you can be certain that Sony XBR8 will cost a heck more than Samsung 950. ;)

Perhaps rgb LED is better than white LED but you can be certain that Sony XBR8 will cost a heck more than Samsung 950. ;)

You consider $4500 vs $4200 costing a heck more?

I wonder if these sets will be able to handle motion well....

You consider $4500 vs $4200 costing a heck more?

That is just an MSRP! I am sure Samsung will discount their models. Only suckers would pay the MSRP.

The other thing that might give Sony the edge is a matte screen. The xbr8 is coming with a matte screen right?

Some, like myself, would say this the matte/semi-matte screen would give Sony a DISadvantage.

That is just an MSRP! I am sure Samsung will discount their models. Only suckers would pay the MSRP.Agreed, Samsung seems to come down on MSRP a lot quicker than Sony does, and street price seems to also drop faster.

I seem to remember reading that the Sim2 / Dolby Vision TV used White LED's. RGB was to come at a later time.

Based on the info in these forums, it looks like the 46" XBR8 will be about $700 more than the 950. But the 55" prices may be more in line (about $300 more for the Sony). We'll know more once Sony releases their prices.

RGB LEDs should consume less watts in theory
Problem is, the Sim2/Dolbyvision prototype (which uses RGB LEDs) consumes 2Kwatts:eek: and the Brightside RGB LED prototypes were ALSO very Watt hungry as well:

Sim2 and Brightside both use white LEDs. The plans are to use RGBs long after the use of easier-to-handle white LEDs is perfected.

Some, like myself, would say this the matte/semi-matte screen would give Sony a DISadvantage.

I agree. While the glossy screen does create more reflection, it seems to provide a picture depth not possible with matte screens.

Some, like myself, would say this the matte/semi-matte screen would give Sony a DISadvantage.

agreed i love my shiny glossy screen...i'm in a dark room so it enhances my content

The other thing that might give Sony the edge is a matte screen. The xbr8 is coming with a matte screen right?


Not from the photo's I've seen of it. It sure looks like Sony has crossed over to Glossy on this series.

samsung experience has the 950 on display in nyc, pretty impressive.

From the specs. I assume the stand does not swivel.

Sim2 and Brightside both use white LEDs. The plans are to use RGBs long after the use of easier-to-handle white LEDs is perfected.

Holy crap you are right!!!


Well, I have heard fantastic impressions of the Brightside/Dolby HDR LCDs so its good to know you can get great performance from White LEDs...


Really can't wait to see what improvement, if any, Triluminous RGB LEDs give the XBR8...

I have a feeling the XBR8 will be something special indeed....

Not from the photo's I've seen of it. It sure looks like Sony has crossed over to Glossy on this series.

I hope not, I really like the matte screen.

Read this article this morning and thought it was quite interesting. There are some great figures that show the difference in the color spectrum between RGB and White LED's.

http://powerelectronics.com/power_management/led_drivers/led-backlighting-lcd-power-efficiency-0512/

I hope not, I really like the matte screen.


I absolutly agree, the matte screen just offers up so many more placement opportunities. I will give it a chance though, perhaps it was just the angle of the photo and intensity of the flash but it did appear glossy and not matte or semi-glossy. It will not make a difference in my chosing the Sony or Sammy though, for my application either will work and after seeing the Sammy's 650 &750 the picture it renders is quite impressive .

the xbr8 looks like it has a semi-gloss screen just like the W4100/Z4100. having owned the W4100 before, the semi-glossy screen is just terrible IMO, they should have went with the fully matte screen like the xbr4 or just do full gloss like the 650. the semi-gloss takes the bad of both screen types, the dullness/flatness of the matte and the glare of the glossy.

Read this article this morning and thought it was quite interesting. There are some great figures that show the difference in the color spectrum between RGB and White LED's.

http://powerelectronics.com/power_management/led_drivers/led-backlighting-lcd-power-efficiency-0512/

This article is misleading in showing that using white LEDs for backlight greatly reduces color rendering even comparing to NTSC. This is not true and proof of this is last year Samsung 81 series. Not only it has extended color support, it is also praised for its excellent colors overall e.g. here (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/2583/samsung-ln-t4681f-46-inch-led-backlit-lcd-hdtv-specifications-and-conclusions-page2.html).

True, using RGB LEDs offers possibility for ultimate color rendering, but it has to be done very precisly since it is easy to make it too good and move from color to technicolor:D.

This article is misleading in showing that using white LEDs for backlight greatly reduces color rendering even comparing to NTSC. This is not true and proof of this is last year Samsung 81 series. Not only it has extended color support, it is also praised for its excellent colors overall e.g. here (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/2583/samsung-ln-t4681f-46-inch-led-backlit-lcd-hdtv-specifications-and-conclusions-page2.html).You're right, it's very misleading. RGB will give better color rendition if you put the identical LCD panel over each. However, you can alter the color filter in the LCD panel to tweak it for your light source. A RGB backlight should at least in theory be able to hit a certain target luminance value at 100% NTSC with less power than a while LED backlight, but they both can be made to do 100%.

The Sony KDL-55XBR8 carries a list price of $7,499.99.

It is available for pre-order at ABT for $6,999.99

It is also available at Electronics-Depot for the pre-order price of $5,799.99

From the announcement this morning, it looks like the XBR6 will blow the A950 out of the water.

Sorry for my ignorance, JCC, but what announcement?

From the announcement this morning, it looks like the XBR6 will blow the A950 out of the water.

Umm... so you're saying a CCFL (XBR 6) vs LED (950) the XBR 6 will blow away a LED model? :confused:

Yeah I thought the XBR8 was supposed to go up against the 950's and the XBR6 up against the 650/750/850 Samsungs?

Apparently since Sony just announced a 240Hz set for Japan people think that the XBR 6 will have 240Hz.

Here's the issue... the XBR 6 is what is looking to have 240Hz BUT still use CCFL. This would be a reason why the Z and XBR 6 differ so much now. the XBR 7 will just have the pro engine in the 70" and have same design as XBR 8 and have 120 Hz. The XBR 8 will have LED back lighting but 120 Hz.

Catch is how many Hz only affects how the set deals with Jutter not PQ. I rather take a set with LED and 120 Hz over a set that uses CCFL and has 240 HZ

I really dont believe the xbr6s will be getting 240hz, the US is behind in japan. If Japan is getting 240 hz in nov/dec than we will probably get them next yr sometime.

the xbr6 will not get 240hz, the US is behind in japan. If Japan is getting 240 hz in nov/dec than we will probably get them next yr sometime.

You are probably right and lean towards what you say BUT the model that supposedly has 240 Hz is in the frame of an XBR 6. Who knows what Sony will do now.

Have to update my chart though tonight

Sorry for my ignorance, JCC, but what announcement?

This...http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20080828/sony1.htm


The Bravia line-up for the coming year. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20080828/sony1.htm

From the specs. I assume the stand does not swivel.

Yes, the 52" does indeed swivel. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20080828/sony1.htm

Umm... so you're saying a CCFL (XBR 6) vs LED (950) the XBR 6 will blow away a LED model? :confused:

Yes, if you've been following the A950 thread you would know that it's not that great. However, the 52XBR6 looks to be even better than the 52XBR4 which were great TVs already.

Yes, if you've been following the A950 thread you would know that it's not that great. However, the 52XBR6 looks to be even better than the 52XBR4 which were great TVs already.

When you say the 9 series isn't that great. What part of the thread are you referring to? My understanding is that the 9 series produces black extremely well, No halo affect, has detail in blacks, and haven't read a user with a bad experience yet.

The only thing that I've heard is that it loses detail in images while the Smart Local Dimming is on but doesn't have to be on. And the fact that that their may only be 8x8 zones.

Yes, if you've been following the A950 thread you would know that it's not that great. However, the 52XBR6 looks to be even better than the 52XBR4 which were great TVs already.

The XBR4's were very good sets, not sure I would call them great. The XBR6 would have to look a LOT better than the XBR4 to compare to the 950

Hi I'm new to the forums,

but for me I am really just wanting to find an LCD that has no ghosting period running at 120hz. A friend of mine has an XBR4 and I notice slight ghosting, he doesn't but i do. even slight ghosting for me attracts attention to my eyes cause just the slight off motion is distracting to me. I saw one of the other members here run a test between a samsung and an xbr4 and both had SLIGHT ghosting, so if the new xbr's can fix that I'm sold. other than that I guess I'll just have to wait for a LCD than can do it.

The Sony KDL-55XBR8 carries a list price of $7,499.99.

It is available for pre-order at ABT for $6,999.99

It is also available at Electronics-Depot for the pre-order price of $5,799.99

hey trader,

I was curious to where you found the list prices, I've looked myself but havn't been able to find any.

Edit: I ment other than the sites it's on giving a "list price." I had even called sony to tell me anything on prices and they told me they keep those prices secret. Are those actual? I'm not familiar with the websites you got that information off of. I had found another site claiming they were selling them as well.

When you say the 9 series isn't that great. What part of the thread are you referring to?

I would think the part being referred to is the several different people who have complained that the off-angle viewing is horrible. Several new owners have written that the pic is fabulous straight on, but from even about 5 deg off, it loses color and pq big time.

Haven't seen yet myself, so no idea the validity, but if that is the case, I'd have no interest in the 9series or new LED's. The set needs to be viewable from anywhere in the room.

I would think the part being referred to is the several different people who have complained that the off-angle viewing is horrible. Several new owners have written that the pic is fabulous straight on, but from even about 5 deg off, it loses color and pq big time.

Haven't seen yet myself, so no idea the validity, but if that is the case, I'd have no interest in the 9series or new LED's. The set needs to be viewable from anywhere in the room.

Alright thanks. I was just wondering and didn't mean it in a rude manner or anything but was surprised about someone saying the set "isn't" that great. Yeah I suppose that can be an issue for some people.

The fact that it produces such deep blacks with details is one set closer in the right direction though. It'll be interesting to see if the XBR 8 will suffer from a viewing angle problem as well.

I would think the part being referred to is the several different people who have complained that the off-angle viewing is horrible. Several new owners have written that the pic is fabulous straight on, but from even about 5 deg off, it loses color and pq big time.

Haven't seen yet myself, so no idea the validity, but if that is the case, I'd have no interest in the 9series or new LED's. The set needs to be viewable from anywhere in the room.

Have not seen one myself but from the first video posted I have a hard time beliving its all that bad."veiwing angele" It shows an extreme angele as he is walking around the room

pics of my 950.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14545815#post14545815

Does anyone know how many dimming zones the XBR8 will have? The A950 has 64 (8x8).

Thought i'd create a seperate thread for these 2 HD LCD TV's and get your take/comment/opinion on which one you guys think will have a better picture quality. I know i've mentioned this in some threads but didn't want to hijack those.


Aw, geeeez! Why can't we just wait until the sets are actually on the market and then get actual comparisons based on real hardware performance rather than guessing at what the picture quality (a subjective thing) might be ?

Does anyone know how many dimming zones the XBR8 will have? The A950 has 64 (8x8).

One of the more recent tests that one of the owners did shows tht the 950 has 12x8 (96 zones). I believe he said some of the zone transitons for very subtle are.

EDIT: Found It!

Well I hooked up my laptop and put up an all-black powerpoint page and used the pointer to figure out how many LED zones are on the 55" version. It was not easy actually. In order to even see the zone boundaries I had to set the settings to Dynamic, 100 contrast, crank up the backlight and of course turn on Smart LED (on by default as far as I'm concerned). Without Smart LED the backlight does not dim its zones so there is just constant "100% on." I put a mark of blue painters tape at each boundary between zones. Moving the cursor across these zones it was apparent where they were. So the final count is 12 zones across, 8 zones up/dn for a total of 96 zones. I took some pics. One picture shows the black powerpoint screen in Smart LED Demo mode so you can see Smart LED ON on the left and OFF on the right. Since I had to turn the flash off to see anything, the camera then overexposed so it is not 100% as your eye sees it, but it is a dramatic difference.

The more I look at the picture the more I realize that this metric is way overblown in my opinion. I can't see individual zones during normal viewing and it is not like each zone has an infinite drop off next to the other zone. There is overlap in other words. So I think there is a practical limit to the number of zones before it becomes of no benefit. It is not like there is a baffle that aligns each zone to X number of pixels, they just illuminate a portion of the screen. If you doubled the number of zones you would just have more crosstalk between zones so the benefit diminishes. In other words if you had 2,000 zones the LED clusters would be so packed together each LED cluster would send more light to its neighbors so even if the neighbor were off or at 50% its apparent value would be higher due to crosstalk. Anyway, not being an expert in this area but I think the idea that more is better is not correct. Is 96 the right number??? I don't know, but it seems to work just fine.

One of the more recent tests that one of the owners did shows tht the 950 has 12x8 (96 zones). I believe he said some of the zone transitons for very subtle are.
55xbr8 uses 170 clusters of RGBG leds(total of 680 leds).
http://www.ecat.sony.co.jp/products/picture/middle/KDL-55XR1_012.jpg

The KDL-55XBR8 can be found on Sonystyle website. At $7000 the XBR8 had better be a lot better that the Samsung 950, not to mention the Mitsubishi Laservue.

From the announcement this morning, it looks like the XBR6 will blow the A950 out of the water.

Is the XBR6 and LED ????

Is the XBR6 and LED ????

No, only XBR8 is LED. And by the way, I believe jcc has changed his tune regarding XBR6 now.

pics of my 950.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14545815#post14545815

How is the off angle viewing?

At CEDIA last week i looked at all the new HDTV's and i feel that the Sony 55XBR8 was the best picture i have ever seen on any TV. the XBR8 has better color than any TV out there even the Blacks were better then any other TV i looked at at CEDIA.

At CEDIA last week i looked at all the new HDTV's and i feel that the Sony 55XBR8 was the best picture i have ever seen on any TV. the XBR8 has better color than any TV out there even the Blacks were better then any other TV i looked at at CEDIA.

Maybe Sony 55XBR8 is the best tv out there but is it $7000 best?

The KDL-55XBR8 can be found on Sonystyle website. At $7000 the XBR8 had better be a lot better that the Samsung 950, not to mention the Mitsubishi Laservue.
Sony isn't the only one drinking the silly juice, as the Laservue also costs seven grand. If one is looking for bang/buck in the high end the best bet would probably be a 2007 model Pioneer Kuro.

Sony isn't the only one drinking the silly juice, as the Laservue also costs seven grand.

I agree, this is ridiculous. I can justify a premium over mainstream-priced LCD sets, but more than DOUBLE the price? NO thanks. I guess "early adopter" must be synonymous with "more money than patience".

I hope the tricolor led goodness in the XBR8 makes its way into cheaper sets sooner than later.

I think we have estabelished beyond any reasonable doubt for the powers that be the fact that the 2008 SONY lineup are highly priced and people are upset about it. Can we please repair all gaskets that were blown when the XBR8 were revealed to be 5000 and 8000 respectivaly and move on to discuss other aspect about these LCD's please. I know that might be hard until they are actually out, but one angry post for every dollar these units cost is derailing all SONY threads and annoying the hell out of me and others who are just here to find out about quality so that they can form their own opinions on value.

This is, or rahter used to be, an AV enthusiast forum where such things do not belong.

55xbr8 uses 170 clusters of RGBG leds(total of 680 leds).
http://www.ecat.sony.co.jp/products/picture/middle/KDL-55XR1_012.jpg

Where did you hear that?

At IFA 2008 Berlin, Sony Europe showed a slide with the RGGB clusters sectioned off....counting the sections in the slide implied 170 clusters.....

Where did you hear that?Updated info.
55xbr8
-170 zones
-680 RGBG clusters
-2720 total leds

46xbr8
-112 zones
-448 RGBG clusters
-1792 total leds

Updated info.
55xbr8
-170 zones
-680 RGBG clusters
-2720 total leds

46xbr8
-112 zones
-448 RGBG clusters
-1792 total ledsWell, that is almost twice Samsungs, which means more screen uniformity to me. Any information on the Mits?

How many Zones does the 55A950 have? Anyone?

how many zones does the 55a950 have? Anyone? 46"=64, 55"=96

okay, so both the 950 and the xbr8 are now in their respective close-to-each-other Manhattan flagship showrooms. anybody been to both?

do you have any seat of the pants impressions comparing the two?

and at first, anyway, that's what i'm most interested in hearing -- your first gut reaction when going from one to the other, without all the technogeek stuff, which can and should come later.

if you had to make a decision based on just that one visit, plunk the cash down and wait for delivery, which would it be and why?

thanks

TVbc

Maybe Sony 55XBR8 is the best tv out there but is it $7000 best?
Good Point. I think I would take 2 Panasonic TH-58PZ800U and a Panasonic TH-50PX80U for the same price, but to each his own. I like each and evey flat panel out there, but there is a point where things just seem unrealistic.

Back on track though, a Samsung LN55A950 and Samsung LN46A950 = the same price as one Sony KDL-55XBR8. I'll take the Samsungs.

Good Point. I think I would take 2 Panasonic TH-58PZ800U and a Panasonic TH-50PX80U for the same price, but to each his own. I like each and evey flat panel out there, but there is a point where things just seem unrealistic.

Back on track though, a Samsung LN55A950 and Samsung LN46A950 = the same price as one Sony KDL-55XBR8. I'll take the Samsungs.


Jesus Christ, is there any post of yours that doesn't mention a Panasonic plasma? You should see if a mod can let you rename your username to "Panasnic Plasma" & be done with it. :p

Jesus Christ, is there any post of yours that doesn't mention a Panasonic plasma? You should see if a mod can let you rename your username to "Panasnic Plasma" & be done with it. :p

Winter is upon us and this in this thread. lol :p

Not sure if this is a no price talk zone, but as that rule’s flouted (word for the day) throughout, I’ll add this point of note.
I went into SonyStyle Watford (UK) today. Where they confirmed the XBR8/X4500 is due in mid-October. Not to the store mind, but for pre-order folk.
Chap there said he’d sell me the 46” for £3,300 / $5,872 (not the £3,700 list) if I pre-ordered (with a 5 year warranty gov’nor).

So discounts are available already, albeit on a high original price.

Worth noting, for us in blighty, that you can import one from Germany for just under £3K and have the same pan euro warranty and compatibility.

Essentially I’m still waiting (with diminishing hope) for reviews of the Sony, that justify the difference in price over the 950/956 (which I have a no risk speculative order on, due for delivery mid October). More realistic skin tones hasn’t yet done it and I think the off angle viewing reviews of the Sammy were nit-picking/taken out of proportion.
Oh for someone to put them side by side, in a light room, then darken it, and send them each HD/SD signals, of movies and sports, interlaced and progressive….

Chap there said he’d sell me the 46” for £3,300 / $5,872 (not the £3,700 list) if I pre-ordered (with a 5 year warranty gov’nor).

So discounts are available already, albeit on a high original price.


The 46" XBR8 here lists for $4,999.99. Maybe in that country discounts are available but not yet in the US.

yes I guess discounts are easier to offer when the MSRP for the country is much greater than other countries

and I think the off angle viewing reviews of the Sammy were nit-picking/taken out of proportion.

You are correct sir. I went and saw a 55" 950 in BB twice already and both times I was able to slightly see what people were talking about, but nowhere near to the same level, even with the brightness turned up high. I agree that it was more nitpicking or bandwagon complaining. The 950 is a gorgeous TV. I had them roll the 950 around next to the Elite Pro-111FD, and the 950 clearly looked better, although the Pioneer was a great TV in it's won right, easily outclassing everything around it. I am/was waiting on the XBR8, but if they take much longer to have a model on display in stores around here that I can compare next to a 950, I'll be getting the 950 by next weekend. Right now I just can't see what moron would spend an extra $3000 on a TV unless it just absolutely blew the competition away, which I doubt it will.

Sorry I posted my impression on XBR8 vs 950 on the other thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14794208#post14794208

You are correct sir. I went and saw a 55" 950 in BB twice already and both times I was able to slightly see what people were talking about, but nowhere near to the same level, even with the brightness turned up high. I agree that it was more nitpicking or bandwagon complaining. The 950 is a gorgeous TV. I had them roll the 950 around next to the Elite Pro-111FD, and the 950 clearly looked better, although the Pioneer was a great TV in it's won right, easily outclassing everything around it. I am/was waiting on the XBR8, but if they take much longer to have a model on display in stores around here that I can compare next to a 950, I'll be getting the 950 by next weekend. Right now I just can't see what moron would spend an extra $3000 on a TV unless it just absolutely blew the competition away, which I doubt it will.

saw the xbr8 in person today and it absolutey did NOT blow me away in regards to pq. In my opinion it does not deserve the price premium over the xbr8. I have the samsung 950 and am lovin it. PQ seems sharper on the 950. Glad I made the right decision between the two.

Hey guys. For any fellow Angelinos (LA) forum members, I just called 'Video & Audio Center' in Santa Monica, CA, and just spoke to Jason, and he said by this Friday that they MIGHT have a 55XBR8 and 55a950 on display by Friday.

If this is so (I don't think I would be able to make it down on Fri), I will be there Sat. Maybe i can meet-up with one of you experts who know about blooming and all that other stuff, so you can help in my decision, AND we could post our impressions on this forum. I'll reimburse you some gas (when we meet). I got to get the ball rolling got people waiting on me. :p

Video & Audio Center has has their 'Just One Touch Showroom' across the street.

Plus theres also a Stand Alone (never been to one) Magnolia Audio Video about a block away.

*Please call before going down there. I would feel bad if I ruined your day.


P.S.

Sorry for the messy! post.

^^

UPDATE: I just called Video & Audio Center back (forgot to ask if they had a 46XBR8 on display earlier), and the person I spoke to, Badal said they have a 55XBR8 and 55950 on display. I sawid the brand names, and what type of LCD's they are. There not side-by-side though. And in a bright area of the store. Forgot to ask if either were professionally calibrated, probably not.

Anyways, I will be the pretty early Sat morning (PST). And hopefully I can maybe help answer any questions.

As previously posted on the XBR8 thread.

*********************************************************

Quick rundown of my own personal experience with both KDL-55XBR8 & LN55A950.

Sony KDL-55XBR8

Pro's

- Amazing black levels
- The deisgn of this unit in person is just awsome
- Menu and user interface is great. It's like in the PS3
- Look and feel of the remote is nice
- Scrolling through the menu was pretty fast and no lag
- Pictures from different angles (45deg, etc..) were still amazing

Con's

- When playing Blu-Ray and there's a fast paced action scene and you have the 120Hz motion set to "smooth", the image gets a bit "blocky".
- Heavy Unit at about 120lbs.
- A bit thick
- You can feed a small town with it's price tag

Samsung LN55A950

Pro's

- Amazing black levels
- Lighter weight than the Sony @ only 80lbs
- Menu and user interface looks ok.
- Look and feel of the remote is nice
- Vast menu features
- Pictures from different angles (45deg, etc..) were still amazing IMO

Con's

- Bezel was a bit thick to my liking
- Once playing Blu-Ray movie, there's a 3 second "delay/lag" when scrolling through the menu settings. Very annoying and frustrating.
- Bargain compared to Sony XBR8

My own personal Conclusion:

Spent a little over an hour at the Sonystyle playing with this unit. Playing with the remote, the settings, and playing both HD and Blu-Ray feeds. Salesman was kind and very cool enough to let me play with it for an hour or so. :D If you have the money this is the TV to get. I like pretty much everything about this unit except for it's 120Hz "smooth" setting. Even the salesman told me he couldn't figure it out why it was like that.

Played with the 55A950 for about 30-40mins. This is also a great unit. Between this and the Sony i couldn't really tell the picture quality since both produced very deep black levels. The only thing that annoyed me with this unit was the menu 3 second "delay/lag". Very frustrating. Hopefully there's a fix for that? Another somewhat of a drawback is that the remote on this unit is pretty much good only with other Samsung Tv's while the Sony remote is compatible with it's other Sony units like CD player and/or DVD player.

Between these 2 units, i guess it really depends on how deep your pocket is. You can't go wrong with either. Both are respectable mfgs.

Again just my own personal experience.

I have not seen either in person, but these are the two tv's that Im making my final choice on. I might wait a bit just to see if there are any problems with either set. I dont want to stir anything up, but as I understand it the XBR4 had some issues.
Exciting times in LCD land.

So much for a trip down to Video & Audio Center Tommorow. They only have Blu-Ray hooked-up to the 55XBR8 and 55a950. ...Going to 55XBR8 Initial Impressions thread, now. :) :rolleyes:

So much for a trip down to Video & Audio Center. They only have Blu-Ray hooked-up to the 55XBR8 and 55a950. ...Going to 55XBR8 Initial Impressions thread, now. :) :rolleyes:


didnt understand your answer. Did you see both in person. What did you think

^^

Sorry I know I speak mumble jumble sometimes. I was going to gown to the store tomorrow, but they only have a Blu-Ray player hooked-up to each TV. No DirecTV (or Dish HD). They just remodeled. I'm going to a Sony Style on Sunday that has the 55XBR8 at EYE LEVEL, and DirecTV HD. I'm trying to go in with an open mind. What I saw of the XBR8's last week, the PQ just didn't grab my attention if that makes sense.

Thanks for asking slumpey326. Hope your enjoying your TV. My TV purchasing process is very slow. :p

SLUMPEY: Meet me in the Samsung Series 9 Owners Thread now, plz. If you don't mind.

keep me updated when you see them both again. Would like to hear your review.

Thanks for asking slumpey326. Hope your enjoying your TV. My TV purchasing process is very slow. :p


Talk about slow. My process started way back end of June and still on going. lol :D

But then again my process involves stereo receiver along with tv stand etc..

^^

;) Have you ever considered a BDI stand? I don't have mind yet, but I hear they are built great!, and look really nice.

http://bdiusa.com/avfurniture/avion_8540.shtml

[Saw the Mits Laservue today, was not impressed. Yes the colors looked better than a standard DLP, but for me it still was not bright enough. I like the look of the Samsung LCD's with their glossy screens. The reds on the Laservue were nice!.]

As previously posted on the XBR8 thread.

*********************************************************

Quick rundown of my own personal experience with both KDL-55XBR8 & LN55A950.

Sony KDL-55XBR8

Pro's

- Amazing black levels
- The deisgn of this unit in person is just awsome
- Menu and user interface is great. It's like in the PS3
- Look and feel of the remote is nice
- Scrolling through the menu was pretty fast and no lag
- Pictures from different angles (45deg, etc..) were still amazing

Con's

- When playing Blu-Ray and there's a fast paced action scene and you have the 120Hz motion set to "smooth", the image gets a bit "blocky".
- Heavy Unit at about 120lbs.
- A bit thick
- You can feed a small town with it's price tag

Samsung LN55A950

Pro's

- Amazing black levels
- Lighter weight than the Sony @ only 80lbs
- Menu and user interface looks ok.
- Look and feel of the remote is nice
- Vast menu features
- Pictures from different angles (45deg, etc..) were still amazing IMO

Con's

- Bezel was a bit thick to my liking
- Once playing Blu-Ray movie, there's a 3 second "delay/lag" when scrolling through the menu settings. Very annoying and frustrating.
- Bargain compared to Sony XBR8

My own personal Conclusion:

Spent a little over an hour at the Sonystyle playing with this unit. Playing with the remote, the settings, and playing both HD and Blu-Ray feeds. Salesman was kind and very cool enough to let me play with it for an hour or so. :D If you have the money this is the TV to get. I like pretty much everything about this unit except for it's 120Hz "smooth" setting. Even the salesman told me he couldn't figure it out why it was like that.

Played with the 55A950 for about 30-40mins. This is also a great unit. Between this and the Sony i couldn't really tell the picture quality since both produced very deep black levels. The only thing that annoyed me with this unit was the menu 3 second "delay/lag". Very frustrating. Hopefully there's a fix for that? Another somewhat of a drawback is that the remote on this unit is pretty much good only with other Samsung Tv's while the Sony remote is compatible with it's other Sony units like CD player and/or DVD player.

Between these 2 units, i guess it really depends on how deep your pocket is. You can't go wrong with either. Both are respectable mfgs.

Again just my own personal experience.

Love the small review...

Chris

As previously posted on the XBR8 thread.

*********************************************************

Quick rundown of my own personal experience with both KDL-55XBR8 & LN55A950.

Sony KDL-55XBR8

Pro's

- Amazing black levels
- The deisgn of this unit in person is just awsome
- Menu and user interface is great. It's like in the PS3
- Look and feel of the remote is nice
- Scrolling through the menu was pretty fast and no lag
- Pictures from different angles (45deg, etc..) were still amazing

Con's

- When playing Blu-Ray and there's a fast paced action scene and you have the 120Hz motion set to "smooth", the image gets a bit "blocky".
- Heavy Unit at about 120lbs.
- A bit thick
- You can feed a small town with it's price tag

Samsung LN55A950

Pro's

- Amazing black levels
- Lighter weight than the Sony @ only 80lbs
- Menu and user interface looks ok.
- Look and feel of the remote is nice
- Vast menu features
- Pictures from different angles (45deg, etc..) were still amazing IMO

Con's

- Bezel was a bit thick to my liking
- Once playing Blu-Ray movie, there's a 3 second "delay/lag" when scrolling through the menu settings. Very annoying and frustrating.
- Bargain compared to Sony XBR8

My own personal Conclusion:

Spent a little over an hour at the Sonystyle playing with this unit. Playing with the remote, the settings, and playing both HD and Blu-Ray feeds. Salesman was kind and very cool enough to let me play with it for an hour or so. :D If you have the money this is the TV to get. I like pretty much everything about this unit except for it's 120Hz "smooth" setting. Even the salesman told me he couldn't figure it out why it was like that.

Played with the 55A950 for about 30-40mins. This is also a great unit. Between this and the Sony i couldn't really tell the picture quality since both produced very deep black levels. The only thing that annoyed me with this unit was the menu 3 second "delay/lag". Very frustrating. Hopefully there's a fix for that? Another somewhat of a drawback is that the remote on this unit is pretty much good only with other Samsung Tv's while the Sony remote is compatible with it's other Sony units like CD player and/or DVD player.

Between these 2 units, i guess it really depends on how deep your pocket is. You can't go wrong with either. Both are respectable mfgs.

Again just my own personal experience.


let me make sure I understand this correctly, so one of your con's about the Samsung A950 is that its a bargain compared to the Sony

sorry but that really doesnt make any amount of sense

The Assistant Manager at Sony Style told me today that each LED in the XBR8's, the brightness/intentisty of each LED can be dimmed? As oppose to the a950's where the white LED 's can only be turned on or off. This is intriguing for me. Thanx, I searched Google but nothing.

The salesman at Sony Style told me today that each LED in the XBR8's, the brightness/intentisty of each LED can be dimmed? As oppose to the a950's where the white LED 's can only be turned on or off. This is intriguing for me. Thanx, I searched Google but nothing.I think turning off 680 LED clusters on the 55" is what the tv does but this could be true. We just have to wait for an owner to test out this theory.

^^ Hey, Mugen! When you say turning off the LED 's on the TV I'm assuming you mean local dimming. Well anyways, yeh, I just guess we will have to wait and see for an owner or professional reviewer to test this theory. Come on guys!, get to it. :D

^^

;) Have you ever considered a BDI stand? I don't have mind yet, but I hear they are built great!, and look really nice.

http://bdiusa.com/avfurniture/avion_8540.shtml

lol No need to consider it. Actually bought one. :D I got the ICON 9425! Love how this stand looks and fits like a glove to where i want it to be. Fit and finish of this unit is just amazing. And i got it through work so it was a bargain! :D

Tele-TV,

Are you getting a BDI? And if so which model? Maybe i can help. Did you go to the local SonyStyle @ the Americana? Was there yesterday. :)

Love the small review...
Chris

Thanks.

let me make sure I understand this correctly, so one of your con's about the Samsung A950 is that its a bargain compared to the Sony

sorry but that really doesnt make any amount of sense

Sorry you're correct. Not sure how i missed that one. That should've been on the Pro's list.

Yeh, I was at that Sony Style yesterday from like 12:30 to 1:30. I plan on going back on Thu with some pre-recorded material fro D* DVR. :D I'll probably get some strange! looks. ;)

For what they want for there sets what the heck.......

The Assistant Manager at Sony Style told me today that each LED in the XBR8's, the brightness/intentisty of each LED can be dimmed? As oppose to the a950's where the white LED 's can only be turned on or off. This is intriguing for me. Thanx, I searched Google but nothing.

That manager was really just feeding you a line. The 950 is an evolution of original 81 series from last year. Samsung has shown numerous examples of it's smart led backlighting in action and it does indeed dim and completely shut off according to the picture. The XBR 8 only has more zones and the possibility of greater color purity due to the RGB leds.

In short, yes the 950 does both dim and completely shut of it's leds just like the XBR 8...

^^

Thanks animeXL. You think I would have known better after being here on these forums for so much. The also told me that " Ultimate Audio Video Magazine " had a review on the XBR8 (nothing came back when I searched for it), and that Consumer Reports rated the XBR8 overall best buy. :rolleyes:

Can't wait to go back to Sony Style on Thursday. Not to question them about the magazine or Consumer Reports, well maybe, but I'm going BECAUSE I need their showroom to play around with the XBR8. :) I ordered my
XBR8 operating manual and will have it in time for when I go back.

^^

Thanks animeXL. You think I would have known better after being here on these forums for so much. The also told me that " Ultimate Audio Video Magazine " had a review on the XBR8 (nothing came back when I searched for it), and that Consumer Reports rated the XBR8 overall best buy. :rolleyes:

Can't wait to go back to Sony Style on Thursday. Not to question them about the magazine or Consumer Reports, well maybe, but I'm going BECAUSE I need their showroom to play around with the XBR8. :) I ordered my
XBR8 operating manual and will have it in time for when I go back.

keep us posted with a nice long review :)

^^

;) Have you ever considered a BDI stand? I don't have mind yet, but I hear they are built great!, and look really nice.

http://bdiusa.com/avfurniture/avion_8540.shtml

OHH HOW MUCH IS THAT?! That's really nice, but that's probably expensive.
IKEA is another alternative :D

OHH HOW MUCH IS THAT?! That's really nice, but that's probably expensive.
IKEA is another alternative :D
Hey, I've got one of those as a loaner from BestBuy until my stand comes in. It not a bad stand and retails for $1499.

Can anyone explain why I can not find information on why they are using L.E.Ds inconjuction with CCFL? Is it because of price? Is the xbr8 only L.E.D or does it also use CCFL? Does anyone make a completely L.E.D backlit display? My Samsung and sony rep has not replied. Thanks!

keep us posted with a nice long review :)

I'll do my best. Just don't expect something nicely worded like JamE55 's review. : )

Sorry for the silly following info. For anyone that goes to Ken Crane's in Pasadena, CA, and has seen HD on the (clearance) XBR5 they have near the door; if I could get HD that I saw on the XBR5 there, to look like that on an XBR8, then I would be impressed. The 2 times I seen HD on the XBR8, i was NOT impressed.

Yeh, I was at that Sony Style yesterday from like 12:30 to 1:30. I plan on going back on Thu with some pre-recorded material fro D* DVR. :D I'll probably get some strange! looks. ;)

I'll warn them in advance for a Keystone Caper. lol :p :D

Hey, I've got one of those as a loaner from BestBuy until my stand comes in. It not a bad stand and retails for $1499.

BB is now in the loaning business? Damn! Maybe they can loan me one of their LCD's? lol :p

I'll do my best. Just don't expect something nicely worded like JamE55 's review. : )

Sorry for the silly following info. For anyone that goes to Ken Crane's in Pasadena, CA, and has seen HD on the (clearance) XBR5 they have near the door; if I could get HD to look like that on an XBR8, then I would be really impressed. The 2 times I seen HD on the XBR8, i was NOT impressed.

My review is definitive. lol :rolleyes: :D

I've seen the XBR5 a few times and thought it was ok. ;)

Can anyone explain why I can not find information on why they are using L.E.Ds inconjuction with CCFL? Is it because of price? Is the xbr8 only L.E.D or does it also use CCFL? Does anyone make a completely L.E.D backlit display? My Samsung and sony rep has not replied. Thanks!

what sets use both LED backlighting coupled with ccfl?

doesn't make any sense. the whole idea behind led backlighting would be negated, i would think.

the sony xbr8 uses clusters of 4 led's -- 1 red 1 blue 2 green.
samsung 950 uses all white led's. all of course are LCD (liquid crystal display) sets.

//TVbc

I'll warn them in advance for a Keystone Caper. lol :p :D



BB is now in the loaning business? Damn! Maybe they can loan me one of their LCD's? lol :p



My review is definitive. lol :rolleyes: :D

I've seen the XBR5 a few times and thought it was ok. ;)

I've seen the XBR5 a few times and thought it was ok.

imho, xbr4/xbr5 were huge improvement over xbr3s. So it is all relative, from generation to generation.

I'll warn them in advance for a Keystone Caper. lol :p :D



BB is now in the loaning business? Damn! Maybe they can loan me one of their LCD's? lol :p



My review is definitive. lol :rolleyes: :D

I've seen the XBR5 a few times and thought it was ok. ;)

I don't know whats wrong with me sometimes. I did not mean to say you have to change your review JamE55 :D, I was trying to tell the guys don't expect a well layed out formatting review. And non mumble jumble from me.

I noticed when I first seen the 55a950 it said it used leds and wcg-ccfl. However samsungs pdf doesn't say this but it's still on best buys website. It's very confusing. And my samsung rep has no idea! (what a rep!) I think it's just a misprint like the swivel base? Maybe I wait until one goes to service and I'll open it up and take a peek!

imho, xbr4/xbr5 were huge improvement over xbr3s. So it is all relative, from generation to generation.

Agree.

I don't know whats wrong with me sometimes. I did not mean to say you have to change your review JamE55 :D, I was trying to tell the guys don't expect a well layed out formatting review. And non mumble jumble from me.

That's ok. I think you're just too excited to see the TV again. :p

lol No need to consider it. Actually bought one. :D I got the ICON 9425! Love how this stand looks and fits like a glove to where i want it to be. Fit and finish of this unit is just amazing. And i got it through work so it was a bargain! :D

Tele-TV,

Are you getting a BDI? And if so which model? Maybe i can help. Did you go to the local SonyStyle @ the Americana? Was there yesterday. :)



Thanks.

JamE55, what time WERE you at the Sony Style: Americana at Brand this past Sunday?


Sorry you're correct. Not sure how i missed that one. That should've been on the Pro's list.

JamE55, what time WERE you at the Sony Style: Americana at Brand this past Sunday?

JamE55, what time WERE you at the Sony Style: Americana at Brand this past Sunday?

Was there late i think around 5ish. What time were you there?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tele-TV
JamE55, what time WERE you at the Sony Style: Americana at Brand this past Sunday?

Was there late i think around 5ish. What time were you there?

^^ From like 12:30 to 1:30.

Sorry for another one of my dumb :o questions. Long story short , I did not like the look of the 55XBR8 in a bright light condition (the way I will be watching at home), when I saw it at Sony Style Costa Mesa, CA. This is after I took it off Vivid and put it on Standard. DISCLAIMER: I did not adjust any other settings (as someone was with me and I did not want to make them wait longer).

A. I know XV color is what Sony cals xvYCC/Deep Color.

1. Is Live Color a Sony exclusive?

2. So is it correct that the a950 only has a 8 bit panel?

3. ANYONE "STEERING AWAY" FROM THE A950 AFTER WHAT HAPPENED TO 'SLUMPEY's,' TV?

From the Samsung Series 9 Owners Thread. Post #1052/Page 36 (sorry don't how to use the Link option.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1060111&page=36

Thanks.

mine was a one off situation. The pq was amazing and I love the tv so much I am getting an exchange for the same exact tv. These things happen

^^ I'm pretty sure you have at least one more HDTV in the house to tie you over, right Slumpey? :)

nope, live in the city. only have one tv, but I have a computer.

^^ NOT making fun of you. Before you last post, I was saying to myself we would probably be seeing more of Slumpey, even more, here on the forums for now. Nothing wrong with that. Glad to have you here. :D Plus you can see if there any updates about the 950 obviously.

yeah, will still contribute and watch the posts go by until my new tv arrives. Just a sad, sad day

^^ Slumpey, I appreciate your contribution. More (BUT this time they are just what if/just for fun/hypothetical questions), for anybody.

1. If the XBR8 had a Glossy Screen, and knowing what you know about the 950, would you get the Sony? Say it was the same price. Or "only" :rolleyes: a $1,000 :) more, would you buy it?

2. What if the XBR8 had the sound bar (speaker below the screen) speaker? For me on this one, I would sayyyy, as long it was a black speaker grill/or there was an option for one. If I DO decide to go with the XBR8, I'm going to try the silver speaker grills.

3. And why please (ie build quality, etc)?

Today I saw both the xbr8 (Sony Style store in Virginia) and the a950 (Magnolia in a best buy in Maryland) and I must say...I was more impressed with the a950's 'pop' but the picture seemed less 'real' to me. The xbr8 had the much deeper blacks imo and the off angle issue with it has been greatly exaggerated. But the off angle issue on the a950 is very real. I played with the televisions for about 30 minutes each. Neither place would hook the machines up to a HD feed of a sporting event, which really irked me as thats pretty much all I watch. Apparently the Sony Style store only shows sports on Sundays...:rolleyes:

All in all I would say the xbr8 offers the slightly better picture....and because I am a technology whore...I may just pony up and bye it over the samsung.

On a side note...Magnolia was set up much better (dark room with no other light sources for glare) while the sony style store just had the tvs out in the main viewing areas. This is possibly why the Samsung had more 'pop'.

Either way both tvs are gorgeous and I can't wait to jump in and get one or the other.

^^ DeltaOne, "technology whore" :D

That sucks about the Sony Store not being able to show you sports on the XBR8. Have you ever seen the 950 in a bright environment? I never had, but I seen one of Samsungs plasma's in a bright environment that also has the glossY screen and it looked nice. Whatever you decide best wishes. I'm still undecided, obviously :), by seeing my many posts.

^^ DeltaOne, "technology whore" :D

That sucks about the Sony Store not being able to show you sports on the XBR8. Have you ever seen the 950 in a bright environment? I never had, but I seen one of Samsungs plasma's in a bright environment that also has the glossY screen and it looked nice. Whatever you decide best wishes.

Yeah, I asked the sales guy if you can show football on Sundays why can't you show it on Saturdays? His response was that only in the NFL are all games filled with a Sony Camera, and that that may be the issue. :eek:

And well...I dont leave the house on Sundays. I am parked right in front of my tv and Sunday ticket. I need to wait another week or two for the Best Buys to get in the xbr8 so I an see it in their showrooms next to each other.

On a side note Best Buy had the 950 discounted 10%. May be that magnolia coupon/flyer/ad that people are talking about.

At the sony style store they were running a special where you got a free blu ray player with any HDTV purchase. On everything...but the xbr8 :(

On a side note Best Buy had the 950 discounted 10%. May be that magnolia coupon/flyer/ad that people are talking about.


12% at magnolia, excluding Sony XBR7/8.

12% at magnolia, excluding Sony XBR7/8.

Well no best buy has the xbr8 yet as far as I know. And I am just reporting what I was told. 500 off the 55. It would be very nice if it was 12% off on top of that. I doubt it though.

best buy has them in stock, when I was at the bby store today scheduling a replacement for my 46a950 that had the dreadful green screen that was posted earlier, they told me the xbr8s are in the warehouse and ready for delivery if I wanted one.

In my opinion it is not worth the premium.

DeltaOne, What did you like more about the XBR8 PQ? Personally I think Sony LCD's do better greens (and reds). But the Samsung LCD's do better whites.

need more reviews between the two tvs

DeltaOne, What did you like more about the XBR8 PQ? Personally I think Sony LCD's do better greens (and reds). But the Samsung LCD's do better whites.

First, it was unfortunate that I couldn't view both tvs at the same location. That always skews the comparison especially, as I said, the Sony Style store was not set up to show off the xbr8 in all its glory. I like watching TV in my room with the lights off. At best buy with the the a950 they had it in their nice dark show room. At Sony Style they had the 46 on a side wall in the middle of the stoor with all the lights reflecting off everything and casting glare on the screen itself. The 55 they had in a recessed area but you could see many of the 'circlish' hanging lights in the background. Annoying.

Now, both the 950 and the xbr8 were both running transformers. I watched both segments where the soldiers 1st encounter the transformer in the desert as the scorpion. The xbr8, for lack of a better word, was softer than the 950. The 950 really jumped out at me. I felt the xbr8 handled motion better as the 950's image looked unnatural even after messing around with its settings for 10-15 minutes. On a side note...I absolutely hate the roll wheel on the remote. The thing is imprecise as hell.

I also found that the blacks really washed out off angle on the 950. Though this isnt a concern for me as I will always be watching straight on. But for me I only noticed the washout on the black bars, the actual image content seemed to retain its beauty off angle. The xbr8 I noticed some bleeding only when viewing the rolling credits at the end of the movie. The black around the scrolling whites characters faded a bit, again in actual content I didn't notice any off angle loss of visual prowess.

I think I agree with your assessment on the xbr8 and the 950 as far as color reproduction. Again, the transformers on the 8 seemed extremely metallic as you would expect, moreso than on the 950....but as I said the 950's image was more captivating. I am going to reserve final judgment until my local Best Buy gets the xbr8 and displays it in a proper room...but even given this disadvantage I came away thinking the xbr8 is the PQ winner. In all likelihood its all going to come down to cost vs. value and where on that line one sits.

^^ DeltaOne, Thank-you as always for taking the time to post your impressions. I should call my local Magnolia to see if they have the XBR8 and 950 hooked-up (you think I would have calle by now). I just ordered the Silicon Optix HQV Benchmark Blu-Ray DVD (I know its not a calibration disc). And later today I'm going to buy the (Joe Kane's) Digital Video Essentials (DVE) Blu-Ray Test DVD.

Like you, I'm waiting for two local stores to get the XBR8 so I can do a "side-by-side" comparison. Long story short, I only seen the 950 at Ken Crane's and they have D* HD hooked-up horribly. Gotta call Best Buy West Covina (when they open @ 11), never thought about it until now to see if they have the 950 there.

My local store findings (Los Angeles, CA) in no particular order:

1. Ken Crane's Pasadena: 55a950, hooked up horribly. No XBR8 yet to prob end of month.

2. Best Buy Pasadena: 55a950, but only hooked-up to Blu-Ray. No XBR8.
City of Industry and Downey, No 950's at all or XBR8.

3. Magnolia AV (stand alone), Santa Monica: Need to call later. I'll make it a one day trip out to that side of town. Magnolia AV (Santa Monica), Sony Studios [Culver City] Employee store with my friend, and Video & Audio Center (VAC) [Santa Monica]. Hopefully by then VAC will be done with remodeling and have D* HD up to both the 950 and XBR8, instead of just Blu-Ray.

Choices, choices. Thanks for listening to my ramblings.

In all likelihood its all going to come down to cost vs. value and where on that line one sits.

I think this is going to be the on going case between these 2 TV's since the PQ on both are close.

For me personally i'm leaning towards the Sony more not only because of the PQ quality but also the way it looks and feels and it's universal remote compatibility since i already own several other Sony units (CD player, receiver etc..).

Advice needed please. I mentioned in one of the threads earlier today that I order the Blu-Ray versions of Digital Video Esential and Silicon Optix HQV Benchmark BR DVD.

I was wondering should I take these two BR's in the store before I continue evaluating on the XBR8 and 950? Or should I continue on researching D* HD & BR on these two sets before using these discs?

I'm worried that I might being getting to technical with these discs and not juding the TV's on its correct merits. I have not tried PS3 on either set but will do so very soon! (will bring a shooter, racing game, sports game, etc). The sales men must love me at Ken Crane's Pasadena (actually my sales men friend works there). Tomorrow I'm going to bring in my DVR there. Did not think about it until my brother suggested it. [Can't wait to try out "Survivor" on the 950. There all friendly and helpful, including the manager. And even the even before, the in your face guy!]

The short story is that the Sony KDL-55XBR8 is the best-performing flat-panel LCD we've ever tested, earning the category's first-ever "9" we've awarded for performance. It delivers picture quality that's nearly as good as the Pioneer PDP-111FD, the best flat-panel performer period. Black level and color accuracy were superb, there's a cornucopia of video processing choices including the best dejudder mode we've tested, and bright-room picture quality was best-in-class. Our only gripe, and it's enough to cost the Sony the title, was its tendency to fade when seen from off angle.

For a complete CNET review:
reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-bravia-kdl-55xbr8/4505-6482_7-33060615.html?tag=txt%3bpage
eddy

The short story is that the Sony KDL-55XBR8 is the best-performing flat-panel LCD we've ever tested, earning the category's first-ever "9" we've awarded for performance. It delivers picture quality that's nearly as good as the Pioneer PDP-111FD, the best flat-panel performer period. Black level and color accuracy were superb, there's a cornucopia of video processing choices including the best dejudder mode we've tested, and bright-room picture quality was best-in-class. Our only gripe, and it's enough to cost the Sony the title, was its tendency to fade when seen from off angle.

For a complete CNET review:
reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-bravia-kdl-55xbr8/4505-6482_7-33060615.html?tag=txt%3bpage
eddy

Eddy1, are you David Katzmaier ?? ;)

So Eddy1, do you think the XBR8 is worth the premium over the 950 ?

thanks

Eddy1, are you David Katzmaier ?? ;)

So Eddy1, do you think the XBR8 is worth the premium over the 950 ?

thanks

That is something only you can decide...for yourself.

Eddy1, are you David Katzmaier ?? ;)

So Eddy1, do you think the XBR8 is worth the premium over the 950 ?

thanks

LOL :D:p

Eddy1, are you David Katzmaier ?? ;)

So Eddy1, do you think the XBR8 is worth the premium over the 950 ?

thanks

If anyone pays full price for the Sony (or any other TV) they are crazy! When the XBR5 came out it was close to 5,000.00 and everyone said it was way to expensive. I got it for under 3500.00! So, I'm sick and tired of hearing the TV isn't worth it. Just do your homework and be smart. You can get the new XBR8 for a lot less!


Peace,

BLT

Hi
When I buy quality product I enjoy it. If the objective is to save a few dollars, fine. I say if the shoes fit I don't mind paying extra. I cannot live with bargains. I enjoy paying less for the same product.

You can get the new XBR8 for a lot less!


Please show me where? Is it from an authorized Sony dealer or not? I've seen it online from certain e-tailers for less but they're not authorized dealers.

I believe in paying for quality. Visual quality impressions are very subjective

55 inches of quality for 7k, is not a comortable zone for all quality lovers imho.

I believe in paying for quality. Visual quality impressions are very subjective

Ok so you do believe in paying a premium for the xbr8, but is the the xbr8 THAT much better than the 950 ?

:confused:

thanks

If anyone pays full price for the Sony (or any other TV) they are crazy! When the XBR5 came out it was close to 5,000.00 and everyone said it was way to expensive. I got it for under 3500.00! So, I'm sick and tired of hearing the TV isn't worth it. Just do your homework and be smart. You can get the new XBR8 for a lot less!


Peace,

BLT

The 46a950 can be had for under 3k, do you think the 46" xbr8 will even come close to that in this decade ??

:)

I still love how Sony LCD's do greens better than a Samsung LCD. I was at my local Fry's this morning and they had a Samsung demo reel playing on a 630 (matte screen) and XBR6 (matte screen), and the green hill looked more natural on the Sony (deep green). Not like a "puke!" (just my opnion) green clumped mess on the Samsung. Although I don't watch any sports so I don't see that as a deal breaker for me.

1. Has anyone gotten their Sammy LCD CLOSE in green color to a Samsung LCD? Whether it be professional or do it youself calibration, with a test disc or home equipment? Thanks!

If you are looking for bargains, I suggest you get the Samsung, you will enjoy it and the savings. Is the Mercedes worth the money compared with say a Cadillac? some people will say yes (when money is not the object). One will enjoy a Buick as well. Nothing is a waste of money. Stay within your budget, that is the most important thing. It is not a clear cut, two reviewers will give you three different opinions. Nothing is clear cut.

The Sony KDL-52XBR6 LCD is a bit too expensive for the level of picture quality it delivers, but its styling and best-in-class black levels help its case. Some color accuracy issues; black levels fluctuate somewhat in dark scenes; below-average screen uniformity; dejudder modes produce artifacts.
Now The XBR8 is a different story. I'll quote the CNET review: "Sony and Samsung have been trading blows for the last couple of years at the top of the standings... the Sony XBR8 won. It delivered deeper black levels than the Samsung, along with less blooming and off-angle fade... . But as good as the Sony is, it still couldn't knock out the champion of the superheavyweight plasma division, Pioneer's Elite Kuro, which still reigns supreme as the best HDTV overall and it costs less, even at 60 inches, than the 55-inch KDL-55XBR8. That said, if you have a room full of light, a penchant for video processing modes, and a bank account bursting with cash, you'll find the flagship Sony mighty appealing".

One has to evaluate their requiremets and room lighting condition. If you like watching TV in the dark to avoid the reflections on the screen and you would like to save money, go with the Pioneer's Elite Kuro, even the 60 inches.
All new cars, when taking them for a test drive, feel good. Bring the car home and...

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-bravia-kdl-55xbr8/4505-6482_7-33060615.html?tag=contentBody;compare

^^ Thank-you eddy1 for your impressions.

Is it worth the money?
...

The answer is: clearly not. :D
(otherwise I would have bought one already). If you doubt that answer - count the owners on this forum vs say the number of 950 owners. And to elaborate - yes, it is the best LCD TV (until the Sharp XS1 comes out later this month), but it's minimal improvement over the 950 for huge price difference.

And BTW, comparing Mercedes with a regular sedan - clearly superior car for higher price, or about the same TV for much higher price - doesn't seem a valid argument. You may also go to a Mercedes forum, and count the owners - clearly Mercedes knows something about marketing/sales that Sony is missing

I don't know if I really should be doing this. I might be opening up a can of worms on this subject. :confused: :rolleyes: I have the opportunity to get the 55XBR8 from SONY FAMILY AND FRIENDS EMPLOYEE PRICING PROGRAM/SONY FAMILY CENTER for under $5k. I know I said here on this forum that many times that I would go with the 950 [first] and if the reflections bothered me, that I would reuturn for the XBR8. I just love the pop on the 950 SO! much, that I'm worried that if I got the 950 home; that I would forget about what could have been with XBR8 in my house. Don't won't to make any unecessary returns. :o

I don't know if I really should be doing this. I might be opening up a can of worms on this subject. :confused: :rolleyes: I have the opportunity to get the 55XBR8 from reputable place well under $5k. I know I said here on this forum that many times that I would go with the 950 [first] and if the reflections bothered me, that I would reuturn for the XBR8. I just love the pop on the 950 SO! much, that I'm worried that if I got the 950 home; that I would forget about what could have been with XBR8 in my house. Don't won't to make any unecessary returns. :o

I was in the same boat as you. I have always only owned Sony televisions in the past (My 40"XBR1 is still going strong), but I just couldn't justify the a $2400 price difference considering the 12% off of an already discounted price I received from BB on the 950. I am accustomed to the matte finish of the Sony, so the 950 does take some getting used to. However, my line of thinking was that it was much cheaper to add some blackout roller shades to my 3 windows for $100. I also thought about the Kuro Elite, but I am just not sure about Plasma. Although, I have only had mine for about 4 days, so I am still well within my 30 day return window. I think the only way you can tell is to take them home. I would prefer not to do that due to the hassle or the inconvenience to the retailer, but you really just can't make a good judgment call from the store IMO.

tele-tv, if you went with the xbr8, how soon could you get it. I say get both and compare/review the f**k out of them side by side in a proper environment. JK, buy the one that you truly want and wont regret once it is in your house.

unccanes, I also got the 12% off deal on the 950 from bby which is why I think the 950 was a better choice. BBY wont budge on the xbr8 in terms of price and no coupons will work.

I was told that the xbr8 is officially being released by bby magnolia this weekend in their stores (atleast in nyc). So they will finally have both on display for comparison.

Unccanes: Hope your enjoying your set. What is about the non matte finish on the 950 that you have to get use to? I agree with you in the fact that its hard to make a judgement call in the stores.

Slumpey: Just a while ago for a fleeting moment I thought about getting both TV's at the same time and doing a side by side comaprison, really. Thought to myself would 2 TV's fit side by side on a BDI 8527 Avion.

Just MAYBE, MAYBE I will do it. It would be probably sometime late next week before I could start giving comparisons. I got to get my ass in gear and learn diff settings on my camera and how to post the pics.

:D

Everyone: Slumpey, you say that the XBR8 is being officially released to BBY/Magnolia stores in (well in at least NYC), thats cool. Here I have the opportunity right now (well not today) to head down my stand alone Magnolia and see both a 55 XBR8 and 55 950 both hooked-up to D* HD, and Blu-Ray. I know, shame on me! I'll tell you one thing, before I decide on either set, I will be testing both with the DVE Blu-Ray disc. :)

tele-tv, keep us posted. you have been alot of help here. thanks.

Thx. Sure thing Slump. I got to go, but be back later! ;)

Unccanes: Hope your enjoying your set. What is about the non matte finish on the 950 that you have to get use to? I agree with you in the fact that its hard to make a judgement call in the stores.


My XBR1 has a matte finish on the bezel and on the screen, so there are absolutely zero reflections in even a brightly lit room. I have been accustomed to watching that LCD for the last 2.5 years, so the glare and reflections on the 950's bezel & screen take a little getting use to. Just the screen in general takes a little getting use to as well. I can't quite explain it (excluding glare & reflection from the equation), but the picture just looks different than a matte screen. Nothing bad, it's just different. It is a very nice looking set though both on & off. It is definitely an upgrade in quality over my XBR1.

I have the opportunity to get the 55XBR8 from reputable place well under $5k.

Whoa there! Can you PM me the details on how? :D

Umm... so you're saying a CCFL (XBR 6) vs LED (950) the XBR 6 will blow away a LED model? :confused:

I actually saw the two sets side by side at a local B & M store. Stared at both screens for 20 mins and they were very close. I couldn't say one was better than the other.

My XBR1 has a matte finish on the bezel and on the screen, so there are absolutely zero reflections in even a brightly lit room. I have been accustomed to watching that LCD for the last 2.5 years, so the glare and reflections on the 950's bezel & screen take a little getting use to. Just the screen in general takes a little getting use to as well. I can't quite explain it (excluding glare & reflection from the equation), but the picture just looks different than a matte screen. Nothing bad, it's just different. It is a very nice looking set though both on & off. It is definitely an upgrade in quality over my XBR1.

Thank-you again sir. I thought one of the things had to do with reflections. But I didn't want to put words in your mouth. :) Here's to much long enjoyment of your TV.

Hi
When I buy quality product I enjoy it. If the objective is to save a few dollars, fine. I say if the shoes fit I don't mind paying extra. I cannot live with bargains. I enjoy paying less for the same product.


What the heck does that mean ?? :eek:

It means that foot comfort is important, and the key to foot comfort is a quality pair of shoes that fit, even if they cost a little more. A pair of shoes that doesn't fit is no bargain. On the other hand, if you can get the same sweet-fitting pair of wing tips for less at Macy's, why would you shop at Nordstrom's?

Hope that helps.

It means that foot comfort is important, and the key to foot comfort is a quality pair of shoes that fit, even if they cost a little more. A pair of shoes that doesn't fit is no bargain. On the other hand, if you can get the same sweet-fitting pair of wing tips for less at Macy's, why would you shop at Nordstrom's?

Hope that helps.

When we start wearing our tv's i won't skimp believe me.

:D

I have the opportunity to get the 55XBR8 from reputable place well under $5k

Whoa there! Can you PM me the details on how? :D

Me too :D Like I said elsewhere, in that price range it's a buy.
But I thinkg Tele-TV probably has a special situation there

Me too :D Like I said elsewhere, in that price range it's a buy.
But I thinkg Tele-TV probably has a special situation there

Guys PM me too, under 5K , I am reconsidering!
thnx

^^ Sorry that I was/am an a**. I know somebody who works for Sony. So it would be through the Sony Employee Program.

It seems like most people would lean towards the XBR8, if it was priced right.

1. Say there was only like a $1,000 or $500 MSRP difference between the 2 sets, would anyone NOT? go with the Sony because of the semi-matte screen? Anyone out there that loves/must have the Samsung glossY screen?

^^ Sorry that I was/am an a**. I know somebody who works for Sony. So it would be through the Sony Employee Program.

It seems like most people would lean towards the XBR8, if it was priced right.

1. Say there was only like a $1,000 or $500 MSRP difference between the 2 sets, would anyone NOT? go with the Sony because of the semi-matte screen? Anyone out there that loves/must have the Samsung glossY screen?

I agree man! But thats what I have been saying, Sony's GREED will cost them a lot of otherwise for sure customers and fans. I am already looking other ways to get best for my bucks in these hard times.

Then there are those with golden parachutes lol:D for them even for 10K wont be an issue:(

I agree man! But thats what I have been saying, Sony's GREED will cost them a lot of otherwise for sure customers and fans. I am already looking other ways to get best for my bucks in these hard times.

Then there are those with golden parachutes lol:D for them even for 10K wont be an issue:(

Guess my parachute has a hole in it since $7k is an issue. LOL :p :D

^^ Sorry that I was/am an a**. I know somebody who works for Sony. So it would be through the Sony Employee Program.

It seems like most people would lean towards the XBR8, if it was priced right.

1. Say there was only like a $1,000 or $500 MSRP difference between the 2 sets, would anyone NOT? go with the Sony because of the semi-matte screen? Anyone out there that loves/must have the Samsung glossY screen?

Actually, the reason I don't want the 950 is the glossy screen - the reflections are bothering me.
As far as price goes, I believe the $5000 is the dividing line. Anything above that is not reasonable. You have to keep in mind that Samsungs are not price-fixed so even with the 55" 950 price at 5K, people are paying much less. In order for Sony to be "$500 more", it will have to have no more than $5000 list price with their price fix situation. To me personally reducing the fixed price from $7K to $6K won't make much difference

^^ st_op_, I agree that if the 55XBR8 had a MSRP of $6,000, with the price situation; that many people still would not buy the TV IMO.

Actually, the reason I don't want the 950 is the glossy screen - the reflections are bothering me.
As far as price goes, I believe the $5000 is the dividing line. Anything above that is not reasonable. You have to keep in mind that Samsungs are not price-fixed so even with the 55" 950 price at 5K, people are paying much less. In order for Sony to be "$500 more", it will have to have no more than $5000 list price with their price fix situation. To me personally reducing the fixed price from $7K to $6K won't make much difference

I agree completely. Currently MSRP to MSRP is horrid enough. Then when you start factoring in the fact that you can get the Samsung for less than MSRP, the XBR8 becomes even less appealing.

well as an owner of a 55a950 what drove me to samsung was clearly the price difference between the two. Having seen a xb8 i felt it was equal to the 950 picture wise and if there was a difference it was primarily cosmetic, im not a big fan of the wingspan speaker system of Sony.

Im not sure i really noticed any picture difference or am sensitive enough to notice a difference....

Would it be safe to assume that after a month or two the fixed pricing structure on the XBR8 will drop? I'm guessing maybe after Christmas.

Would it be safe to assume that after a month or two the fixed pricing structure on the XBR8 will drop? I'm guessing maybe after Christmas.

That is what I'm waiting to find out. If Sony drops price or the price lock after Xmass, they'll miss the holliday shopping season - but I wouldn't be surprised, so far they've done everything possible to hamper sales of the XB8. If they don't, I'll see how things are with Sharp XS1. Even if the 52" debuts at $9K list price, without price lock it will sell close to $7K street and it's a much better tv. If nothing else works, I'll just eat up the reflections and get a 950.

well as an owner of a 55a950 what drove me to samsung was clearly the price difference between the two. Having seen a xb8 i felt it was equal to the 950 picture wise and if there was a difference it was primarily cosmetic, im not a big fan of the wingspan speaker system of Sony.

Im not sure i really noticed any picture difference or am sensitive enough to notice a difference....


I made the same decision w/ the 46" 950. I haven't been able to take a look @ the XBR8, but I refuse to pay 5+ grand for a 46" LCD. I can't imagine the difference in picture quality being any where close to justifying that difference. I have had the 950 for about 4 days and it is a beautiful looking television asthetically and the picture quality is terrific. With that said, this is my fist experience w/ a glossy screen and I don't know if I can handle it. It isn't really the reflections. It just has a different look even @ night when their is absolutely zero light entering my living room. The glossy screen images are distracting to me. I can't put my finger on it, but it just looks so much different than the Sony matte screen. Don't get me wrong, it is a very nice LCD, but I don't think I should have to force myself to LOVE it for 3G's. Bad thing is, I don't know what other option I have given my refusal to drop that much money down on the XBR8.

That is what I'm waiting to find out. If Sony drops price or the price lock after Xmass, they'll miss the holliday shopping season - but I wouldn't be surprised, so far they've done everything possible to hamper sales of the XB8. If they don't, I'll see how things are with Sharp XS1. Even if the 52" debuts at $9K list price, without price lock it will sell close to $7K street and it's a much better tv. If nothing else works, I'll just eat up the reflections and get a 950.

I was a big anti-glossy screen guy until I bought my 52A650. After the first couple of weeks owning it I didn't even think about any reflections I had. The 950 might not be as bad as you think when it's actually in your home.

I was scared first of the reflective screen of the 950, it is not that bad at all.

Would it be safe to assume that after a month or two the fixed pricing structure on the XBR8 will drop? I'm guessing maybe after Christmas.

That is what I'm waiting to find out. If Sony drops price or the price lock after Xmass, they'll miss the holliday shopping season - but I wouldn't be surprised, so far they've done everything possible to hamper sales of the XB8. If they don't, I'll see how things are with Sharp XS1. Even if the 52" debuts at $9K list price, without price lock it will sell close to $7K street and it's a much better tv. If nothing else works, I'll just eat up the reflections and get a 950.

Actually called the Sony Style online store and was told that they might lower the price probably within the next 2-3 months but no guarantees since this product just came out . And if they do lower the price it'll probably be just $500 off msrp. This is at least what i was told by the rep i talked to over there. Also if you do purchase from Sony Style direct there'll be sales tax so there goes that $500 discount. lol :p :D

For what its worth, there's a story in today's Wall Street Journal about the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) investigating price fixing via the MAP (Minimum Advertised Price) in musical instruments: Gibson, Guitar Center, etc are being subpoenaed. Thanks to last years Supreme Court decision on the issue, manufacturer enforced pricing is no longer categorically a problem, but to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. That court ruling is probably behind why Sony is now trying to gain some pricing traction at the upper end of their line-up... to extract the most money from their top level customers (and beef up the brand labels of XBR and ES lines).

That said, I'm not sure there is anything that Sony can do to prevent you from negotiating a price with a retailer... except the retailers are afraid it could be a Sony secret shopper that will bust them for selling the sets for less.

Hey Slumpey. :)

Everyone:

Does anyone share the same sentiments of what fellow member 'unnccannes' mentions below about how a matte screen just looks different than a glossY screen, NOT talking about reflections here. Thanks.


QUOTES FROM UNNCCANES:
My XBR1 has a matte finish on the bezel and on the screen, so there are absolutely zero reflections in even a brightly lit room. I have been accustomed to watching that LCD for the last 2.5 years, so the glare and reflections on the 950's bezel & screen take a little getting use to. Just the screen in general takes a little getting use to as well. I can't quite explain it (excluding glare & reflection from the equation), but the picture just looks different than a matte screen. Nothing bad, it's just different. It is a very nice looking set though both on & off. It is definitely an upgrade in quality over my XBR1.

I made the same decision w/ the 46" 950. I haven't been able to take a look @ the XBR8, but I refuse to pay 5+ grand for a 46" LCD. I can't imagine the difference in picture quality being any where close to justifying that difference. I have had the 950 for about 4 days and it is a beautiful looking television asthetically and the picture quality is terrific. With that said, this is my fist experience w/ a glossy screen and I don't know if I can handle it. It isn't really the reflections. It just has a different look even @ night when their is absolutely zero light entering my living room. The glossy screen images are distracting to me. I can't put my finger on it, but it just looks so much different than the Sony matte screen. Don't get me wrong, it is a very nice LCD, but I don't think I should have to force myself to LOVE it for 3G's. Bad thing is, I don't know what other option I have given my refusal to drop that much money down on the XBR8.
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i am ready to purchase the 55XBR8, could you please PM me your discount info. i am a 3rd generation XBR owner and i am not pleased with the fact that Sony.com is not willing to give me a discount.

TIA for your help.

I actually went from an xbr4 (matte) to a 950 (glossy) and personally I like the 950 better. Seems sharper in my opinion. I dont even notice the reflections at all on the 950, overrated in my opinion.

I think sony is going to lose alot of business to samsung regarding LED with the prices that it is offering. Way too much money for a 46in when the 950 can be had for over $2k less.

I don't know what to do Slumpey, buddy. Like I mentioned before, I love! the Samsung glossY screen (I could deal with some reflections). But there's the the other side of my thoughts are telling me to go with the XBR8.

Originally, I planned on getting the 950, remember. Than I said that I would probably love it so much, that I would never know would could/might have been with the XBR8. I think back to when I saw the 55XBR8 at Sony Style Costa Mesa in the bright part of the store on Vivid and Standard (forgot to check Custom) and did not like the look. The picture did not jump out at me.

Anyways, just more of my ramblings/inner thoughts/thinking out loud. :o Right now I'm leaning towards the XBR8 route could I would kind of be crazy not to buy it for the price I can get it for.

Oh why oh why did your 950 have to go "Hulk" (green) on you Slumpey (really). BTW, thanks to you Slumpey and everyone for always reading my posts about the Samsung glossY screens and Sony Auto Dimming. :D

EDIT/UPDATE: [Last year I was going to go with a Samsung 4069. You know the one that was like a mirror like screen. I was really going to buy 2 TV's, a Samsung 4069 and XBR 4.]

1. Does anyone remember how long it took Sony to own up on the clouding issues on the XBR 4's &5's? By owning up I mean releasing that firmware that made the TV's auto dim.

I know I'm crazy in the head! :(

I don't know what to do Slumpey, buddy. Like I mentioned before, I love! the Samsung glossY screen (I could deal with some reflections). But there's the the other side of my thoughts are telling me to go with the XBR8.

Originally, I planned on getting the 950, remember. Than I said that I would probably love it so much, that I would never know would could/might have been with the XBR8. I think back to when I saw the 55XBR8 at Sony Style Costa Mesa in the bright part of the store on Vivid and Standard (forgot to check Custom) and did not like the look. The picture did not jump out at me.

Anyways, just more of my ramblings/inner thoughts/thinking out loud. :o Right now I'm leaning towards the XBR8 route could I would kind of be crazy not to buy it for the price I can get it for.

Oh why oh why did your 950 have to go "Hulk" (green) on you Slumpey (really). BTW, thanks to you Slumpey and everyone for always reading my posts about the Samsung glossY screens and Sony Auto Dimming. :D

1. Does anyone remember how long it took Sony to own up on the clouding issues on the XBR 4's &5's? By owning up I mean releasing that firmware that made the TV's auto dim.

I know I'm crazy in the head! :(

Tele-TV, don't let my comments dissuade you. If you like the look of the glossy screen, then you will love the 950. It is a very nice LCD. The blacks levels are outstanding. In fact, it isn't really the reflections that bother me. The glossy screen just omits a different looking image than the matte to my eyes. Not really better or worse, just different. Like I mentioned before, I personally would not pay the premium for the XBR8 and I have only owned Sony TVs all my life. I have never purchased another brand prior to the 950. Truthfully, I haven't really made up my mind yet on the 950. I think it just takes a little getting use to is all. Every day my eyes seem to adjust to it more. I can tell you this, I think it is easily the best looking LCD aesthetically that I have seen. It is very pleasing to the eye just sitting in my home theatre setup without even being powered up.

^^ Your so patient with me. Thanks for that. And its not any of your comments.

tele-tv, in the same boat as you. Because I have to wait like two weeks for a replacement I am still thinking about just going for the 46xbr8 which I can get asap, but the price is the only thing holding me back. My problems is that I think I might have that what if in the back of my head if I stick to the 950, i.e. what if the xbr8 was the better tv.

Going crazy also, yes I think the 950 is an outstanding tv, pq is pristine. Just that what if always haunts me. Damn sony and your pricing. I just wish my new 950 can be here sooner so I dont have to think anymore.

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EDIT/UPDATE: [Last year I was going to go with a Samsung 4069. ..... :(

gives new meaning to the term Update....:eek::D


time to take a break



TVbc

^^ LOL. I actually meant earlier this year around January/February. Not related, I put the word Update there cause I can't choose one word to use sometimes as you guys obviously seen. :p

I don't know what to do Slumpey, buddy. Like I mentioned before, I love! the Samsung glossY screen (I could deal with some reflections). But there's the the other side of my thoughts are telling me to go with the XBR8.

Originally, I planned on getting the 950, remember. Than I said that I would probably love it so much, that I would never know would could/might have been with the XBR8. I think back to when I saw the 55XBR8 at Sony Style Costa Mesa in the bright part of the store on Vivid and Standard (forgot to check Custom) and did not like the look. The picture did not jump out at me.

Anyways, just more of my ramblings/inner thoughts/thinking out loud. :o Right now I'm leaning towards the XBR8 route could I would kind of be crazy not to buy it for the price I can get it for.

Oh why oh why did your 950 have to go "Hulk" (green) on you Slumpey (really). BTW, thanks to you Slumpey and everyone for always reading my posts about the Samsung glossY screens and Sony Auto Dimming. :D

EDIT/UPDATE: [Last year I was going to go with a Samsung 4069. You know the one that was like a mirror like screen. I was really going to buy 2 TV's, a Samsung 4069 and XBR 4.]

1. Does anyone remember how long it took Sony to own up on the clouding issues on the XBR 4's &5's? By owning up I mean releasing that firmware that made the TV's auto dim.

I know I'm crazy in the head! :(

You know, I know what is going on in your head.

Here's the thing. Although, from what you have seen, the 950 appears to be the superior panel. BUT, the fact that it is a Sony, got a good review, costs more, and is supposed to be "better" in a brightly lit enviornment, forces you into thinking, that although everything points to it be only minimally better than the 950, that it HAS to be better.

Forgive my memory, as there is an actual term for this. I remember discussing this in a Physcology course I took in college (quite some time ago).

It has less to do with what happened to Slumpey IMO, and more with what I am describing above.

Why couldn't you just purchase the Samsung, and return it if you didn't like it?

tele-tv, in the same boat as you. Because I have to wait like two weeks for a replacement I am still thinking about just going for the 46xbr8 which I can get asap, but the price is the only thing holding me back. My problems is that I think I might have that what if in the back of my head if I stick to the 950, i.e. what if the xbr8 was the better tv.

Going crazy also, yes I think the 950 is an outstanding tv, pq is pristine. Just that what if always haunts me. Damn sony and your pricing. I just wish my new 950 can be here sooner so I dont have to think anymore.

" don't have to think anymore " [chuckles!]

Slumpey, don't mean to throw this question out there to you/put words in your mouth. Are you saying if the XBR8 was priced right, you would get that TV/at least WOULD have tried out the XBR8 first?; before the 950? ;)

Actually called the Sony Style online store and was told that they might lower the price probably within the next 2-3 months but no guarantees since this product just came out . And if they do lower the price it'll probably be just $500 off msrp. This is at least what i was told by the rep i talked to over there. Also if you do purchase from Sony Style direct there'll be sales tax so there goes that $500 discount. lol :p :D

I got the same answer when going in to my local Canadian Sonystyle to return, or potentially upgrade, my 46Z4200 because I was unhappy with its black reproduction. My seller told me I can keep my Z for 60 days then he will be able to give me a maximum of 500$ discount on the XBR8 and just swap out the unit.

You know, I know what is going on in your head.

Here's the thing. Although, from what you have seen, the 950 appears to be the superior panel. BUT, the fact that it is a Sony, got a good review, costs more, and is supposed to be "better" in a brightly lit enviornment, forces you into thinking, that although everything points to it be only minimally better than the 950, that it HAS to be better.

Forgive my memory, as there is an actual term for this. I remember discussing this in a Physcology course I took in college (quite some time ago).

It has less to do with what happened to Slumpey IMO, and more with what I am describing above.

Why couldn't you just purchase the Samsung, and return it if you didn't like it?

I always leaned towards the Samsung. Well at least at first. And there's not that would keep me from returning it if I bought it. :)

I got the same answer when going in to my local Canadian Sonystyle to return, or potentially upgrade, my 46Z4200 because I was unhappy with its black reproduction. My seller told me I can keep my Z for 60 days then he will be able to give me a maximum of 500$ discount on the XBR8 and just swap out the unit.

Is the $500 discount enough to justify the XBR8 for you? I think it should be more but i guess it depends on how deep your pocket is.

tele-tv

no, just means I would consider the sony more as a contender. Right now it is too expensive and IMO I think the samsung looks amazing, very sharp and bright which I love.

My tv was a one off situation. These things happen to every tv. Dont let it discourage anyone from buying it. Just happens. If you go for the 950, you will love it.

Going to New Orleans in a few so will be offline till Sunday night. Keep us informed if you purchase anything.

^^ Ok. Have a safe trip and fun trip!

Is the $500 discount enough to justify the XBR8 for you? I think it should be more but i guess it depends on how deep your pocket is.

If the XBR8 gives me blacks as dark as the bezel then it will be definitely worth the price, which with taxes and the discount is going to be a hair above 5 grand after all. I am very unhappy about current CCFL backlight LCD black level capabilities. They are simply just unacceptable for me, if I were to keep my Z I would sell it off next year at a loss and purchase something else, most likely a 2009 NeoPDP Plasma from either Panasonic or Pioneer. If, on the other hand the XBR8 is good enough to pass my blackness test then I am likely to keep it long enough for outrageously priced 46" OLED screens to hit the market, which will be when I will make my next switch.

I might end up paying more now if I get the XBR8, but I think that it will save me more in the long run by postponing a loss inducing pre-mature switch. Oh, and before anyone starts, I have no interest in getting a Samsung or this year's Plasma models.

If the XBR8 gives me blacks as dark as the bezel then definitely worth the price, which with taxes and the discount is going to be a hair above 5 grand after all. I am very unhappy about current CCFL backlight LCD black level capabilities. They are simply just unacceptable for me, if were to keep my Z I would sell it off at a loss and urchase something else, most likely a 2009 NeoPDP Plasma from either Panasonic or Pioneer. If, on the other hand the XBR8 is good enough to pass my blackness test then I am likely to keep it long enough for outrageously priced 46" OLED screens hit the market, which will be when I make my next switch.

I might end up paying more now if I get the XBR8, but I think that it will save me more in the long run by postponing a loss inducing pre-mature switch. Oh, and before anyone starts, I have no interest in getting a Samsung or this year's Plasma models.

Well Kamikaze, it sounds like maybe you should just give the xbr8 a shot. Have you seen the TV in person yet? I'll even do a cheer for you to get your courage up....Kamikaze, Kamikaze, Kamikaze!!!

At least then we would know if it's able to meet your stringent requirements, others might be more confident in making a move. For me, I have seen it in person in the store, however I think I'm going to try and wait things out a bit to see the 52XBR7 model in January.

If the XBR8 gives me blacks as dark as the bezel then it will be definitely worth the price, which with taxes and the discount is going to be a hair above 5 grand after all. I am very unhappy about current CCFL backlight LCD black level capabilities. They are simply just unacceptable for me, if I were to keep my Z I would sell it off next year at a loss and purchase something else, most likely a 2009 NeoPDP Plasma from either Panasonic or Pioneer. If, on the other hand the XBR8 is good enough to pass my blackness test then I am likely to keep it long enough for outrageously priced 46" OLED screens to hit the market, which will be when I will make my next switch.


That would definitely be something if the black levels on the XBR8 is the same as the bezel but i don't think it is since i've seen the unit in person and have played with it. I'm guessing you haven't seen the XBR8 (aka X4500 euro version) in person?

I got the same answer when going in to my local Canadian Sonystyle to return, or potentially upgrade, my 46Z4200 because I was unhappy with its black reproduction. My seller told me I can keep my Z for 60 days then he will be able to give me a maximum of 500$ discount on the XBR8 and just swap out the unit.

Is that $500 off the 46" price? Then it is 10% which is something (not a lot but still). But $500 off the 55" $7K price is like nothing (IMO)

BTW Sony just posted terrible earning yesterday and got clobbered on the stock market. Recession is hitting home, I don't know how they think they'll push $7K priced sets

Well Kamikaze, it sounds like maybe you should just give the xbr8 a shot. Have you seen the TV in person yet? I'll even do a cheer for you to get your courage up....Kamikaze, Kamikaze, Kamikaze!!!

I have not seen the unit in person yet, and sadly, doubt I will be able to before I have purchased it and have it in my living room. I live in a relatively small town and I doubt my local Canadian Sonystyle, which I might add speculated they wouldn't even get the unit in before another month, will unpack one the few they will eventually receive and hook it up as a display model.

That would definitely be something if the black levels on the XBR8 is the same as the bezel but i don't think it is since i've seen the unit in person and have played with it. I'm guessing you haven't seen the XBR8 (aka X4500 euro version) in person?

No, actually I live in Canada now. I am very sad to hear that not even XBR8 will be able to produce blacks as black as the bezel. Makes me think that if LCD's cant even do that with local dimming then LCD is even more garbage than Plasma. God I wish OLED, or at least SED, as per the most optimistic dreams was already in production in sizes and prices where I could go out and get one.,,, sigh.


Is that $500 off the 46" price? Then it is 10% which is something (not a lot but still). But $500 off the 55" $7K price is like nothing (IMO)

BTW Sony just posted terrible earning yesterday and got clobbered on the stock market. Recession is hitting home, I don't know how they think they'll push $7K priced sets

It is off of the 46XBR8, which is great if it wasn't for the 13% tax that will mean that I will be going to pay 5000 anyway at the end. But the 500 off MSRP is a deal breaker as I simply refuse to pay more than that.

BTW Sony just posted terrible earning yesterday and got clobbered on the stock market. Recession is hitting home, I don't know how they think they'll push $7K priced sets

With a lot of prayers. lol Sign of the times. Hopefully they'll lower it soon so i can go and get one already.

No, actually I live in Canada now. I am very sad to hear that not even XBR8 will be able to produce blacks as black as the bezel. Makes me think that if LCD's cant even do that with local dimming then LCD is even more garbage than Plasma. God I wish OLED, or at least SED, as per the most optimistic dreams was already in production in sizes and prices where I could go out and get one.,,, sigh.


I don't think there's a set out there that has black levels matching black bezels blackness. Maybe the OLED?

Just wanted to give a heads-up [to anyone in the San Gabriel Valley], that Ken Crane now has the 55XBR8 on display. I don't know they have it hooked-up. I just spoke to Michael.

See POST TITLE, please.

If you live close to Oshawa Centre....the XBR8 55" will be on display Oct 30 in a grand ceromony of whatever. I was invited, so of course I will go. I'll be the heckler, so see if you can spot me.

On a side note, Sonys stock was pounded...like that was a surprise. This xbr8 will be 5k soon, and maybe then when it is priced almost equal to the A950, people won't have such a hard time picking the cheaper A950. Samsung did raise their price, not lower it right? (higher price and best plague the mind)

As to matt vs. glossy. The first time I saw the 650 vs the xbr4 I had the "man this is so diferent" expperience. Decideing what you like better may come down to what is closer to what you already had. The gloss bugs me too, but when nothing is on my mind, and I see sets from far away, the gloss screens seem to have me aproaching them vs. the matt. Then I get close and the difference bugs me and I go back to matt.

I'll go as far as the matt colour looks a shade flat which hides imperfection better than gloss high detail. Colours are meant to be shiney, but that doesn't always make them more pleasing to look at. Take a shot (picture) of your newly waxed car, size it to 1980x1200, then view it on a gloss vs. a matt and see which looks more like your car. This works because any car nut knows exactly the colour of their own car and what it looks like in real life. Matt just never wins this test for me.

Hey when you print film 5x7s do you get glossy or matt? This might be the simple solution of what you like best right there. I allways print matt, but that was film, and now I use digital!

ps. sony stock price $57 in Jan. $19 in Oct. so it has dropped 38 bucks in 10 months, at least if you buy it now it can only drop a max of 19 :)

See POST TITLE, please.

Funny. Just called and they said that today (10-27-08) IS the last day. :p :D Almost positive that if you give them a call this friday (10-31-08) it will be their last day.....AGAIN! LOL:p ;) :D :o

This xbr8 will be 5k soon, and maybe then when it is priced almost equal to the A950, people won't have such a hard time picking the cheaper A950. Samsung did raise their price, not lower it right? (higher price and best plague the mind)

ps. sony stock price $57 in Jan. $19 in Oct. so it has dropped 38 bucks in 10 months, at least if you buy it now it can only drop a max of 19 :)

Tic, toc, tic, toc...:p Correct. Samsung jacked up the price cause they felt they were selling their A950's pretty cheap compared to when the XBR8's came out. :rolleyes:

HHmmm from $57 in Jan to $19. Wonder if this will be the trend for the XBR8's as well. :D

Just wanted to give a heads-up [to anyone in the San Gabriel Valley], that Ken Crane now has the 55XBR8 on display. I don't know they have it hooked-up. I just spoke to Michael.

tele-tv, anymore viewing of the samsung or sony over the weekend. Made up your mind yet? It looks like I am getting my replacement 950 this saturday :D

Hey Slumpey. Welcome back. Long story short, I swung by Ken Crane's yesterday after lunch with the girlfriend, didn't want to keep her waiting so that trip actually didn't count. ANYWAYS, just went there after work earlier and didn't have much time. I just kept cycling (with Theater Mode: OFF), through the different picture modes on the XBR8. They have it in the room with a 52XBR6. The XBR6 green grass looked a deeper shade, BUT in all FAIRNESS that was before I cycle through the diff. picture modes. And even after that, I did not look back at the XBR6, green.

Call me crazy, I actually think the XBR8 looked best in VIVID! mode (except skin tones were horrible = orange) (than Custom mode 2nd) in this situation. Its a small little room with dimmed recessed lighting. Didn't think about it when I was there to ask if they had a dimmer switch. Everything in my gut is telling me to go with 950, and I think thats what I'll do (darn economy and GF [wants too much stuff], lol). Oh and Motion Enhancer/Flow was set to OFF. Yesterday on the XBR8 they had a Sony, I'm assuming 1080p demo running with a scene with some icebergs (the whites of them did not jump out at me), and a nice deep red helicopter.

Like they always say, go for PQ. And I just prefer the glossy screen. I always get the ext. warranty on big purchases [except cars]. Glad you will be getting your replacement 950 this Saturday.

As you and every knows, I never seen a 950 hooked-up decently with D* HD programming. So I will be taking my DVR in to Ken Crane's this week to try it out (on the 950). I can't believe :rolleyes: I have not done that yet since it was suggested to me by brother last week. :D

1. Any idea if you will be getting the "updated" model?

JamE55:

To answer your question, I'm not sure when they got the XBR8 on display, but when I saw their ad in the Weekend Edition of the LA Times, saying it just arrived, I jumped on the phone right away.

I was told when I talked to the best buy warehouse today that the tvs are coming directly from the samsung manufacturer. Hope than means it is either a late september or early october build. We will see.

Thanks Tele-Tv.

Might be stopping by this saturday to check out the unit. Anyword on the "other" stuff? ;)

So what is the answer to this thread's question guys ?

Sony KDL-55XBR8 vs Samsung LN-55A950 , which one is the winner?:)

So what is the answer to this thread's question guys ?

Sony KDL-55XBR8 vs Samsung LN-55A950 , which one is the winner?:)


XBR8 owner: XBR8

A950 owner: A950

Neutral observer after reading the threads and reviews: If you want the best picture currently available on a LCD tv, and you don't mind paying a premium price for it, go for the XBR8. If you don't want to pay an extra $2K to $3K for only a slightly better picture, get the A950.

A950 owner: Wrong, I like the A950's picture better--more "pop".

XBR8 owner: Read the reviews. And stop whining about the price. It's Sony, after all.

They are both expensive , @ $7000 id expect a perfect picture. But I dont think
either one is . The off angle viewing is what is holding me back.
I may just have to go with a Pioneer Elite plasma.

Id prefer to own an LCD though , dangit!!

Hey Slumpey. :)

Everyone:

Does anyone share the same sentiments of what fellow member 'unnccannes' mentions below about how a matte screen just looks different than a glossY screen, NOT talking about reflections here. Thanks.


QUOTES FROM UNNCCANES:
My XBR1 has a matte finish on the bezel and on the screen, so there are absolutely zero reflections in even a brightly lit room. I have been accustomed to watching that LCD for the last 2.5 years, so the glare and reflections on the 950's bezel & screen take a little getting use to. Just the screen in general takes a little getting use to as well. I can't quite explain it (excluding glare & reflection from the equation), but the picture just looks different than a matte screen. Nothing bad, it's just different. It is a very nice looking set though both on & off. It is definitely an upgrade in quality over my XBR1.

I made the same decision w/ the 46" 950. I haven't been able to take a look @ the XBR8, but I refuse to pay 5+ grand for a 46" LCD. I can't imagine the difference in picture quality being any where close to justifying that difference. I have had the 950 for about 4 days and it is a beautiful looking television asthetically and the picture quality is terrific. With that said, this is my fist experience w/ a glossy screen and I don't know if I can handle it. It isn't really the reflections. It just has a different look even @ night when their is absolutely zero light entering my living room. The glossy screen images are distracting to me. I can't put my finger on it, but it just looks so much different than the Sony matte screen. Don't get me wrong, it is a very nice LCD, but I don't think I should have to force myself to LOVE it for 3G's. Bad thing is, I don't know what other option I have given my refusal to drop that much money down on the XBR8.
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I own the the 46XBR8 as well as the 40XBR1 and, yes I concur with the observation that even when watching in a completely dark room, there is a different quality between a glossy and a matte screen.

I say this because even though the XBR8 has a semi-matte screen (and is not glossy like the Samsung), the XBR1 has even more of a matte screen (and I've watched the XBR4 which screen is also not as matte as the XBR1).

To me the glossier screen provides a more "vibrant" image but it's more as if I'm seeing it thru a window pane (as opposed to an open window sensation like my XBR1). It's an issue of personal preference- I like the matte/matte.

I have found that with the XBR8 that if I lower the Picture (contrast) setting but raise the Backlight setting (in comparison to, for example,the CNET settings), I mitigate this "glossy screen effect".

Ok so at futureshop we put a Sony Xbr8 and a Samsung 950 side by side and well.... in Overall i like the Samsung more.... the Sony's white werent as white as the samsung... and we played with all the settings too get the whites better. The realizim of the pictures of blu-ray's was definitly noticible and better in the samsung compared too Sony. As for blacks... we turned all the lights off in the show room and between both sets... couldnt tell the difference but The Sony i think was a little too dark and had too up the backlight or brightness higher then the samsung too get the same details of low coloured items in dark places (with the movies dark night and SAW 3) as for a lite room... i did notice (BARELY) that the Sony showed nicer blacks but for the price difference it was NOT WORTH going for Sony if Blacks is your only option. Clean sharp images to me were equal on action movies, nicer on samsung for nature shows and nicer on Sony for drama movies.





White = SAMSUNG
Real look of images = Samsung
Blacks (dark room = Either / Lite room = Sony)
Backlight and Brightness = Samsung
Clean and Sharp images = Samsung for nature / Sony for drama / Both for sports and action movies.

So guys look at these and see whats important too you and you decide what you want.... i wanted (whites since i dont watch alot of dark thriller movies... its all about action movies and explosions and nature shows and sports ect.... Real look was important since i already had a 52" sharp aquos and compared too that..... Real was a huge difference. Blacks arent as important too me since again i love sports and nature and action movies. (not enough difference too pay the extra 2k. as for clean and sharp... again i went for that too since my Sharp didnt have a clean immage... i was super impressed when i got the tv... but a year and a half later.... big difference so i wanted that big difference.

Hi, im actually posting this here because for some reason the official xbr8 owners thread is gone.
Im a long time reader, I consider this site very helpful so that is why I do more reading then talking.
My question is why can't anyone like the big retailers (including sony) explain how many HOURS the kdl 55 xbr8's led bulbs will last. I spent 45 minutes on the phone with 2 supposed sony tech's and I received these answers:
#1- " 35,000 - 50,000 hours approx "
#2- 5 years lifespan if the t.v. is on 24 hours a day (lol)
#3- " sorry sir, we really do not know "
me: " But will it last longer than most lcd tv's specify (60,000 hours)??? "
them again: " sorry sir, I do not know at this time "

What a joke! How in the world can I go shell out all that $$$$ , and also lose 10 inches from the tv we have now, and I wont even know when this tv will crap out!
I would settle for an approximate even...sheesh.
And wifey doesnt want to go down in size for all this money either, she says we are spoiled, how can we go smaller now lmao.
I tried explaining the awesome picture compared to our 2 yr old mits diamond dlp, but she still thinks we should sit on the egg and appreciate what we have for now, or atleest until they make these tv's in a 65''.
I still am curious about the lifespan though, if anyone can give any concrete info it will be much appreciated.

I spent 45 minutes on the phone with 2 supposed sony tech's and I received these answers:

#1- " 35,000 - 50,000 hours approx "

I would settle for an approximate even...sheesh.

I still am curious about the lifespan though, if anyone can give any concrete info it will be much appreciated.

Don't think anyone can give you a concrete answer as there are variables involved.

Can't believe the Sony XBR8 owners thread is gone though wtf?

As far as this thread i got my answers on both units.

Don't think anyone can give you a concrete answer as there are variables involved.

Can't believe the Sony XBR8 owners thread is gone though wtf?

As far as this thread i got my answers on both units. not especially active...but not gone either
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1071392&highlight=xbr8+owner

I was going to post earlier in the XBR8 owner's thread, the question "where are all the XBR8 owners today?" :D :rolleyes:

I finally had the chance to thoroughly compare the Sony and Sammy (albeit only with a 46"er of the latter) today. Samsung seem to be drip-feeding out the 950 something rotten down here, so it's been hard to find one set up in non-crappy conditions.

My take is;

-The Samsung has much better gamma
-The Sony has better shadow detail
-The out of the box settings on the 950 are the amoung the best I've ever encoutered
-The Sony seems intent on having as many picture "enhancements" that harm the picture quality on by default as is humanly possible. You could spend five mintues turning all the damn things off
-The Samsung looks surprisingly like a CRT. Possibly even more so than plasmas do.
-Overall the Sony looks slightly better. But it's close to a tossup.

Oh, and the 55" Sony in the store had quite visable clouding. Ouch.


Personally, I'm worried about the gamma response on the Sony. I really can't afford a Lumagen Radience to adjust it, so I hope there is some gamma controls in the service menu. Anyone been in there?

not especially active...but not gone either
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1071392&highlight=xbr8+owner

Thanks for clearing that up. Good thing it's not gone.

I was going to post earlier in the XBR8 owner's thread, the question "where are all the XBR8 owners today?" :D :rolleyes:

I'm still here. :D

Oh, and the 55" Sony in the store had quite visable clouding. Ouch.


I've seen this clouding on several sonystyle stores and i think it's because of the out of the box "settings" that did this. Once adjusted black levels are where they should be.

My question is why can't anyone like the big retailers (including sony) explain how many HOURS the kdl 55 xbr8's led bulbs will last. I spent 45 minutes on the phone with 2 supposed sony tech's and I received these answers:
#1- " 35,000 - 50,000 hours approx "
#2- 5 years lifespan if the t.v. is on 24 hours a day (lol)
#3- " sorry sir, we really do not know "
me: " But will it last longer than most lcd tv's specify (60,000 hours)??? "
them again: " sorry sir, I do not know at this time "

What a joke! How in the world can I go shell out all that $$$$ , and also lose 10 inches from the tv we have now, and I wont even know when this tv will crap out!
I would settle for an approximate even...sheesh.
And wifey doesnt want to go down in size for all this money either, she says we are spoiled, how can we go smaller now lmao.
I tried explaining the awesome picture compared to our 2 yr old mits diamond dlp, but she still thinks we should sit on the egg and appreciate what we have for now, or atleest until they make these tv's in a 65''.
I still am curious about the lifespan though, if anyone can give any concrete info it will be much appreciated.

LED's are not bulbs, and no bulbs are required. LED's are semiconductor diodes (Light Emitting Diodes).

If I were to venture a guess, the LED's will last longer than the LCD itself.

I've seen this clouding on several sonystyle stores and i think it's because of the out of the box "settings" that did this. Once adjusted black levels are where they should be.
Backlight level wil affect how visable it is, but the mura that caused it is present either way.

LED's are not bulbs, and no bulbs are required. LED's are semiconductor diodes (Light Emitting Diodes).

If I were to venture a guess, the LED's will last longer than the LCD itself.

I was also in favor of the LED's lasting longer idea, but in the end, who knows...right?
I guess you can call it something that really bugs me, because I would feel better knowing how long my new spankin tv (that costs the same as a good used car) will last.
Somebody made a comment - "whats the difference, in a few years you will want something else"...
I guess if you peeps are rollin like that, (in this economy) then I say god bless!

wait reg lcd/240hz goes 55 or 60 inch.

CES 2009 - sharp E77U series , 65'' , $4500.00 , out in june , no brainer for me!
Now I dont have to sacrifice size loss and can still get the latest technology with motion flow :)

CES 2009 - sharp E77U series , 65'' , $4500.00 , out in june , no brainer for me!
Now I dont have to sacrifice size loss and can still get the latest technology with motion flow :)
It's hardly going to compare to the XBR8 and 950 in terms of picture quality. The competeting Sharp model is the XS1.

I was also in favor of the LED's lasting longer idea, but in the end, who knows...right?
I guess you can call it something that really bugs me, because I would feel better knowing how long my new spankin tv (that costs the same as a good used car) will last.


You may not know, but clearly the engineers at Samsung and Sony know about reliability of LED's. In fact, that is one of the advantages of LED's: much better reliability. As well as efficiency (meaning they run cooler).

It's hardly going to compare to the XBR8 and 950 in terms of picture quality. The competeting Sharp model is the XS1.

I hope colors r good!

It's hardly going to compare to the XBR8 and 950 in terms of picture quality. The competeting Sharp model is the XS1.

We'll see, if it's close it's good enough for me. Also wifey doesn't want to suffer from size loss (65'' down to 55'') lol.
I really thought that Sony was going to unveil a 60'' + for the CES 2009 but it looks like that is a no go :confused: so that also makes my choice to wait stronger.

We'll see, if it's close it's good enough for me. Also wifey doesn't want to suffer from size loss (65'' down to 55'') lol.
I really thought that Sony was going to unveil a 60'' + for the CES 2009 but it looks like that is a no go :confused: so that also makes my choice to wait stronger. as usual, sony is expected to flesh out their mid and low models, and introduce their upper tier models at their dealer showcase in vegas in february. so stay tuned.


TVbc

Updated info.
55xbr8
-170 zones
-680 RGBG clusters
-2720 total leds

46xbr8
-112 zones
-448 RGBG clusters
-1792 total leds


Why has nobody brought up that even though the XBR8 has more lights each cluster only produces white light. So if you LOSE a bulb (doesn't matter if green, red or blue) you won't have white light behind the screen. All it takes is ONE bulb and the whole cluster is messed up.

I am trying to make an informed choice on here and too many people are going off topic. :eek: Both tv's can be had for the same price now. About $2,300 for the 46"er's so drop the price whining.

I have heard people having problems with both tv's. It seems the A950 is more popular and has less chance of defect and more pop and clarity. The XBR8 has better more realistic coloring. So which one is better? :confused:

Is there any more defects or problems people should know? Are these the best tv's for the $?

Why has nobody brought up that even though the XBR8 has more lights each cluster only produces white light. So if you LOSE a bulb (doesn't matter if green, red or blue) you won't have white light behind the screen. All it takes is ONE bulb and the whole cluster is messed up.

I am trying to make an informed choice on here and too many people are going off topic. :eek: Both tv's can be had for the same price now. About $2,300 for the 46"er's so drop the price whining.

I have heard people having problems with both tv's. It seems the A950 is more popular and has less chance of defect and more pop and clarity. The XBR8 has better more realistic coloring. So which one is better? :confused:

Is there any more defects or problems people should know? Are these the best tv's for the $?

mind to share where did you able to find same price comparison. I am comparing at amazon and sammy is about $350 more expensive, links below

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bravia-KDL-46XBR8-46-Inch-Triluminos/dp/B001GIPMNU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1247156885&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001GIPMNU?tag=avs-forum-20)

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN46A950-46-Inch-Touch-Color/dp/B001ET9BWY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1247156892&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001GIPMNU?tag=avs-forum-20)

mind to share where did you able to find same price comparison. I am comparing at amazon and sammy is about $350 more expensive, links below


I want to make this about which is the better TV not price. To get the website to get the price of about $2,300 pm me.

Do you think the A950 is better?

mind to share where did you able to find same price comparison. I am comparing at amazon and sammy is about $350 more expensive, links below

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bravia-KDL-46XBR8-46-Inch-Triluminos/dp/B001GIPMNU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1247156885&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001GIPMNU?tag=avs-forum-20)

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN46A950-46-Inch-Touch-Color/dp/B001ET9BWY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1247156892&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001GIPMNU?tag=avs-forum-20)

Since the 55A950 & 55XBR8 are essentially extinct from any reputable dealers with an excellent return policy both retail & on-line, if your lucky enough to find one i would purchase either 55". I did get lucky this past sat. the 4th and found the last 55a950 out of 6 magnolias in the Houston area and purchased it.

Both are excellent sets IMO and to date i have seen no other LD LED LCD to surpass the PQ of these two units. The only thing that will for sure be dramatically better will be the price tag on the successors to these from Samsung & Sony coming soon to a store near you !

Regards, ;)

My Magnolia stores in Seattle had several Samsungs A950s available. And they do price matching. It could be worth calling and having them transferred to your local Magnolia/BestBuy store.

Al

Does the XBR8 have the ability to produce that same 3D (AMP) look from the cinema settings the Samsung has? BB always has it "ON" with the Samsung when playing Blu-Ray, and I never see that on the Sony because they always have it connected to the store loop.