http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1563

Warner Home Video has announced that they will bring the highly anticipated 'The Ultimate Matrix Collection' to Blu-ray on October 14th. The seven-disc set will include five BD-50s - one disc for each of the three Matrix films, one for Animatrix, and one for "The Matrix Experience" - and two DVDs. Also included in the set will be a hard-cover book with photos and information from the films.

Video will be presented in 1080p VC-1 and accompanied by a Dolby TrueHD soundtrack. Extras for this release include:

3 Exclusive In-Move Experience BonusView features
35 hours of extras
Digital download of 'The Matrix'
Much more

...and it's also the rumored date for the new Indiana Jones on Blu-Ray! Shaping up to be an expensive month. :eek:

Excellent news but I pre-ordered the U.K Trilogy from amazon.co.uk for $32 including shipping taking full advantage of the pricing error.;)

Warner better re-encode the entire trilogy for Blu-ray or try to at least feature 24-bit audio or an additional LPCM track if they have decided to waste 20 GB.

Excellent news but I pre-ordered the U.K Trilogy from amazon.co.uk for $32 including shipping taking full advantage of the pricing error.;)

Warner better re-encode the entire trilogy for Blu-ray or try to at least feature 24-bit audio or an additional LPCM track if they have decided to waste 20 GB.

Sweet. But you'll have to wait a month longer:

Availability: This title will be released on November 17, 2008. Pre-order now! Dispatched from and sold by Amazon.co.uk.

No issues. I have already seen the Trilogy dozen times on HD DVD. So can wait. :D

I just want The Matrix, that's IT!

You can keep parts 2&3 because they are total garbage!

And the Animatrix is in HD this time! SWEET!

I just want The Matrix, that's IT!

You can keep parts 2&3 because they are total garbage!

tssk tssk... They may not be as good as the first one, but they're not that bad either. And Monica Bellucci is in them. Do I need to say more?;)

Where's my set that only includes the first movie and Animatrix - the only two pieces of the series worth owning?

Excellent news but I pre-ordered the U.K Trilogy from amazon.co.uk for $32 including shipping taking full advantage of the pricing error.;)

Warner better re-encode the entire trilogy for Blu-ray or try to at least feature 24-bit audio or an additional LPCM track if they have decided to waste 20 GB.

Warner has already said they aren't doing re-encodes on HD DVD catch-up titles, except the ones with the vertical aliasing (like The Perfect Storm). The extra 20 GB (or rather, part of it) is most likely being used for the The Matrix Revisited movie-length documentaries and other special features that were on the DVD side of the Ultimate Collection HD DVD combo discs.

tssk tssk... They may not be as good as the first one, but they're not that bad either. And Monica Bellucci is in them. Do I need to say more?;)

Fair enough. Not looking for a fight... ;)

However, I hope we get The Matrix by itself, and not have to wait months after the "Collection" is released.

No way in hell am I paying for 2&3 just to own 1.

(p.s. I have Monica Bellucci on BD already, and the movie's called Shoot Em Up and she looks 10x better in that than she ever did in The Matrix 2&3)

Best News all day! Thanks! :-) got to pre-order it

Are the IMEs really exclusive or were they on the HD DVDs? Also, MSRP?

I don't love The Matrix movies to death...

MSRP $129 WTF???!!!!

Are they stoned? I need some of what their smoking for when I drop that much coin on the set.:(......:)

I love this series. I got the regular HD-DVD set for $20 when it came out. I'm going all in this time. 16bit TrueHD here I come!:confused:
I can marathon the trilogy consecutively and not get bored. The 2 sequels may not live up to the philosophical themes of the first. But at least the Christ tale comes full circle. The freeway chase is the best modern car chase by far. And the last movie looks like something out of a George Lucas film(I'm still surprised he didn't take them to court).

Best thing about a movie by the Wachowski brothers is that you can always find a solid soundtrack and some of the finest suits never worn by P.Diddy/Diddy.
http://highdefdiscnews.com/images/ultimatematrixblufull.jpg

After seeing all of that it might actually be worth that price.
Pic courtesy of highdefdiscnews and dvdactive

edit- It comes with a digital download? I'm a sucker for iphone candy, so worth it.

MSRP $129 WTF???!!!!

Are they stoned? I need some of what their smoking for when I drop that much coin on the set.:(......:)

I love this series. I got the regular HD-DVD set for $20 when it came out. I'm going all in this time. 16bit TrueHD here I come!:confused:
I can marathon the trilogy consecutively and not get bored. The 2 sequels may not live up to the philosophical themes of the first. But at least the Christ tale comes full circle. The freeway chase is the best modern car chase by far.

Agreed about the freeway chase...still probably my favorite all around demo piece. I have been scared to play that scene lately though as the last time I played (which was the first time I ever played the HD-DVD version) it, it fried my BK amp!:eek: I am going to give it another shot soon though as I have played countless other LFE heavy movies without issue so I am assuming (hoping) it was a fluke. I actualy like 2 and 3 as much as the first, but for dif reasons. 2 and 3 are 2 of the best A/V experiences (especialy audio) in HT IMO.

I am not double dipping on this set though as I see no point as the PQ/AQ will be identical to the HD-DVD. Why are you double dipping if you dont mind me asking?

I am not double dipping on this set though as I see no point as the PQ/AQ will be identical to the HD-DVD. Why are you double dipping if you dont mind me asking?
I got the set for $20 due to CCs computers.

And the Animatrix is a wonderful supplement for the series. I've been dying for that in HD. But if doesn't have TrueHD I will flip the s$^t.:mad: Some of them have some pretty aggressive sound.

That and I really love the trilogy, the costumes, characters, score, story. All of it. If the Wachowskis would cover the filmaking seams better the entire thing would rank above Star Wars for me. Not above LOTR.:D And all 3 have some of the finest audio ever.

And I've always wanted that 'Matrix Experience' thing. Never saw a point though. But if a doc is in HD, I'll watch it.
If I can get this for under $90 I'll be happy. $70 would be the sweetspot, the Matrix trilogy should never cost more than the Godfather trilogy.

Watch, with my luck and love for boxsets the Alien Quadrilogy will be announced for the following month. Evaporating all my BD funds.


edit- http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Matrix-Collection-Blu-ray/dp/B000OPPBEQ/ $90.95 close.

Are the sources for the Animatrix rendered in 1080p?

Are the sources for the Animatrix rendered in 1080p?

Most studios request an HD master (D5 back then, HDSR now) as part of the required deliverables within a contract so I'm going to assume yes. But you know what Sam Jackson said in Long Kiss Goodnight..."Assumptions make an ass out of u and mptions."

I got the set for $20 due to CCs computers.

And the Animatrix is a wonderful supplement for the series. I've been dying for that in HD. But if doesn't have TrueHD I will flip the s$^t.:mad: Some of them have some pretty aggressive sound.

That and I really love the trilogy, the costumes, characters, score, story. All of it. If the Wachowskis would cover the filmaking seams better the entire thing would rank above Star Wars for me. Not above LOTR.:D And all 3 have some of the finest audio ever.

And I've always wanted that 'Matrix Experience' thing. Never saw a point though. But if a doc is in HD, I'll watch it.
If I can get this for under $90 I'll be happy. $70 would be the sweetspot, the Matrix trilogy should never cost more than the Godfather trilogy.

Watch, with my luck and love for boxsets the Alien Quadrilogy will be announced for the following month. Evaporating all my BD funds.


Nice;) Agreed about LOTR's.

I love these movies as well, but I have not seen the Animatrix...will definately check this out.

I don't want the DVDs. All I want are the 4 BDs seperately, but I know that somehow it won't be priced all that much differently regardless.

Sam Jackson said in Long Kiss Goodnight..."Assumptions make an ass out of u and mptions."

Jackson didn't say that - it was the white guy from 13th Floor...

Are the sources for the Animatrix rendered in 1080p?

The animatrix had some limited 35mm screenings so I would say yes.

Matrix 1 only for standard single disc pricing plez kthnxbye.

Jackson didn't say that - it was the white guy from 13th Floor...

Oh yes he did, in The Long Kiss Goodnight. I hold this as one of the funniest things I've heard in a movie. I still giggle.

Oh yes he did, in The Long Kiss Goodnight. I hold this as one of the funniest things I've heard in a movie. I still giggle.

what a good movie well both matrix and Long kiss goodnight one of the first dvd's i bought in 98 and it still plays 10 years latter :D

I just want The Matrix, that's IT!

You can keep parts 2&3 because they are total garbage!

sigh...I get the feeling that might not happen ever.

sigh...I get the feeling that might not happen ever.

Warner released them seperatly on HD DVD here. So its not impossible.

I've already ordered the UK trilogy set for the aforementioned silly price, but the full-fat US boxset will be mine, oh yes.

And for those stressing about getting Animatrix separately, the UK is getting that one as an individual release as it's not part of the boxset.

Where's my set that only includes the first movie and Animatrix - the only two pieces of the series worth owning?
This is the set I would like too.

And I want the original "brown" Matrix, but that's never going to happen.

The second and third parts aren't the worst movies I've seen and I guess I might have watched them again, but until Warner fix their encoding and learn how to compress grain without artifacts everywhere, I don't want to give them more money than necessary.

MSRP $129 WTF???!!!!

Are they stoned? I need some of what their smoking for when I drop that much coin on the set.:(......:)

I love this series. I got the regular HD-DVD set for $20 when it came out. I'm going all in this time. 16bit TrueHD here I come!:confused:
I can marathon the trilogy consecutively and not get bored. The 2 sequels may not live up to the philosophical themes of the first. But at least the Christ tale comes full circle. The freeway chase is the best modern car chase by far. And the last movie looks like something out of a George Lucas film(I'm still surprised he didn't take them to court).

Best thing about a movie by the Wachowski brothers is that you can always find a solid soundtrack and some of the finest suits never worn by P.Diddy/Diddy.
http://highdefdiscnews.com/images/ultimatematrixblufull.jpg

After seeing all of that it might actually be worth that price.
Pic courtesy of highdefdiscnews and dvdactive

edit- It comes with a digital download? I'm a sucker for iphone candy, so worth it.

:eek:

$130?!

I'll just continue enjoying my HD DVD version. I only really watched Matrix 1 more than once. 2 and 3 are meh for me and Animatrix in HD is about the only thing I really want but it's not worth the 20ish I paid for SD version, 60ish I paid for red, and now $130 for Blu version. I think I'm done with Matrix and Animatrix folks ;)

Matrix 1 only for standard single disc pricing plez kthnxbye.

Signed.

warner coupon works now..

69.99 pre order with coupon off special deals sticky

-- chad

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1563

Warner Home Video has announced that they will bring the highly anticipated 'The Ultimate Matrix Collection' to Blu-ray on October 14th. The seven-disc set will include five BD-50s - one disc for each of the three Matrix films, one for Animatrix, and one for "The Matrix Experience" - and two DVDs. Also included in the set will be a hard-cover book with photos and information from the films.

Video will be presented in 1080p VC-1 and accompanied by a Dolby TrueHD soundtrack. Extras for this release include:

3 Exclusive In-Move Experience BonusView features
35 hours of extras
Digital download of 'The Matrix'
Much more

...and it's also the rumored date for the new Indiana Jones on Blu-Ray! Shaping up to be an expensive month. :eek:

I thought they released two sets on HD DVD, one for the 'ultimate collector' whatever, and a standard box set? Are there no plans to just release the three full length features and the animatrix HD, without the other 3 discs and magazines/books, etc? There's no way I'm paying $90 for this thing on Amazon when half of the crap I'll never even watch.

Brandon

Warner released them seperatly on HD DVD here. So its not impossible.

Where is "here"?

Warner never even released the remastered first movie separately on DVD in the U.S.

edit- It comes with a digital download? I'm a sucker for iphone candy, so worth it.

Digital copy only for The Matrix. Could they be angling at a separate "digital copy SE" release of the first?

Where is "here"?

Warner never even released the remastered first movie separately on DVD in the U.S.

Sweden.

tssk tssk... They may not be as good as the first one, but they're not that bad either. And Monica Bellucci is in them. Do I need to say more?;)

No sir, you don't. I got to see her on the Imax screen. Twas nice.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1563

Warner Home Video has announced that they will bring the highly anticipated 'The Ultimate Matrix Collection' to Blu-ray on October 14th.

Thanks for the details... I preordered as soon as I read the news!

Now let's hppe we get something cool like the Japanese set.

Where was the book when the Ultimate hd-dvd version was released?!

Bah, nothing inherently wrong with sweetening the deal now that it's coming to blu-ray, but I still want it.

are all the discs blu-ray discs? or are some of them DVDs, if so which ones?

Where is "here"?

Warner never even released the remastered first movie separately on DVD in the U.S.

Yes as Msgohan pointed out, it was in Sweden.

But I ended up buying the box anyway since the pricedifference between buying one standalone against the entire ultimatebox was marginal.

http://www.megastore.se/template/next%2CProduct.vm?itemid=1802498&source=1900

Wouldn't it be sweet if CC had the same error? :D

Wouldn't it be sweet if CC had the same error? :D


That's how I got my HD-DVDs--even before I had an HD-DVD player. :)

Its probably 3 blu-rays and 4 DVDs since thats what the HD DVD set was essentially. I bet they will throw the Animatrix in HD onto the first movie's blu-ray disc.

Its probably 3 blu-rays and 4 DVDs since thats what the HD DVD set was essentially. I bet they will throw the Animatrix in HD onto the first movie's blu-ray disc.

The articles said 5 BD50s. One for each movie and one for the Animatrix. Then another BD50 for the "Matrix Experience" and two DVDs. I wanna know what they're using all of that extra space for on the BD50s if it still comes with 2 DVDs of special features?

Brandon

warner coupon works now..

69.99 pre order with coupon off special deals sticky

-- chad
thanks for the heads up got it $20 less than amazon

The articles said 5 BD50s. One for each movie and one for the Animatrix. Then another BD50 for the "Matrix Experience" and two DVDs. I wanna know what they're using all of that extra space for on the BD50s if it still comes with 2 DVDs of special features?

Brandon

Each BD-50 is going to have about 20 GB of space left which means 100 GB for 5 BDs. The extras 2 DVDs are eyewash and it shows the lethargic attitude of WB who are never trying to figure out on how to create a new encode and skillfully squeeze the 2 DVD special features onto 5 Region Free BDs which will make the life easier for importers whose BD players are Region Locked for DVDs.

Even if the BDs are going to be 40+ GB in size it would be either due to the inclusion of multiple spoken language audio tracks or fake IME.

Each BD-50 is going to have about 20 GB of space left which means 100 GB for 5 BDs. The extras 2 DVDs are eyewash and it shows the lethargic attitude of WB who are never trying to figure out on how to create a new encode and skillfully squeeze the 2 DVD special features onto 5 Region Free BDs which will make the life easier for importers whose BD players are Region Locked for DVDs.

Even if the BDs are going to be 40+ GB in size it would be either due to the inclusion of multiple spoken language audio tracks or fake IME.

The DVDs included with the HD-DVD version were region free.

The DVDs included with the HD-DVD version were region free.

I only had Complete Matrix Trilogy on HD DVD. I still don't like the decision of including 2 DVDs with special features when there is going to be plenty of space left (and wasted as well) on the BD-50.

Why the hell can't they sell them seperately? I only want the first Matrix.This lack of choice sucks!!

Isn't one of the regular DVDs in the set gonna be the digital copy thingy? That leaves one more DVD to account for. . .

Has the Animatrix disc ever sold seperately, or has it always been bundle in a set? I would like to get Animatrix HD disc, but I already have the trilogy in HD DVD and don't want to duplicate it in Blu-Ray.

I got the great deal at CC and just sold the set for over twice the amount! :eek:

Has the Animatrix disc ever sold seperately, or has it always been bundle in a set? I would like to get Animatrix HD disc, but I already have the trilogy in HD DVD and don't want to duplicate it in Blu-Ray.
As mentioned earlier in the thread, The Animatrix will be released on Blu-ray separately in the UK. (http://www.find-dvd.co.uk/BDY22543.htm)

Has the Animatrix disc ever sold seperately, or has it always been bundle in a set? I would like to get Animatrix HD disc, but I already have the trilogy in HD DVD and don't want to duplicate it in Blu-Ray.


I realy hope the Animatrix can be bought seperately as I also have the HD-DVD's of the 3 films and would only want the Animatrix BR.

I realy hope the Animatrix can be bought seperately as I also have the HD-DVD's of the 3 films and would only want the Animatrix BR.

I'm in the same boat, got the Ultimate Matrix Collection on HD-DVD and really don't need to re-buy them for the amount I watch, but dammit, Animatrix is awesome and I need it in HD with (at least) a TrueHD soundtrack.

I was lucky enough to go to one of the theatrical exhibitions of Animatrix, it was AWESOME, and the DVDs never really captured the full feeling of that exhibit...

I'm in the same boat, got the Ultimate Matrix Collection on HD-DVD and really don't need to re-buy them for the amount I watch, but dammit, Animatrix is awesome and I need it in HD with (at least) a TrueHD soundtrack.


The Animatrix in HD and the digital copy are enough reasons for me to buy it again,...

I guess the old argument about whether or not the content in the Animatrix was produced in HD has been settled.

Still not worth rebuying the set just for that IMO, Warner should have done it right the first time around.

Eventually all this stuff will be available seperately in the US.

Warner just knows (like Sony knew with Spiderman) that they can make more money selling the set because if they released them seperately almost everyone would buy the first film only at ~$25 instead of the set at ~$75-$100.

Warner just knows (like Sony knew with Spiderman) that they can make more money selling the set because if they released them seperately almost everyone would buy the first film only at ~$25 instead of the set at ~$75-$100.

Yep, this is why they will make us wait awhile before they sell them seperately.

The Matrix is in my top 10 favorite movies but I'm not buying the set, especially since I can't resell 2 and 3 without the first one. I hope they eventually split them up!

M

I thought about it and I agree. I just decided to keep the HD set I purchased from CC for 19.99 (I think it was about that amount). It is stupid to sale it when it looks and sounds terrific. Plus I will still be recovering from an expensive September. ANd finally the box of the HD DVD complete set looks awesome!!! :eek:

I'll re-buy the Animatrix in 1080p if it's available separately in North America.

Has the Animatrix disc ever sold seperately, or has it always been bundle in a set? I would like to get Animatrix HD disc, but I already have the trilogy in HD DVD and don't want to duplicate it in Blu-Ray.
Yes. It was originally available on its own, and in a box with the soundtrack CD (the version I own).

I wish more box sets included soundtrack CDs! They give us extra disks with documentaries, but rarely a soundtrack CD.

Got the HD DVD set for $20 (thanks AVS Forum and Circuit City!!!), I sure wish these collections would do what they did for Die Hard - four discs, one meager sized case. I really like that combo case - of course, I am trying to fit 10 pounds of movies in a 5 pound sack, so...

I wish more box sets included soundtrack CDs! They give us extra disks with documentaries, but rarely a soundtrack CD.

I agree, that would be a major time-saver and general reducer of headaches for those who seek that sort of thing actively.

I myself have the deluxe box for Animatrix, as well as about a dozen or so anime sets with soundtrack CDs included--Jin-Roh SE, Spriggan, Boogiepop Phantom Ultra Edition, and Ghost in the Shell S.A.C.: Solid State Society LE come to mind at the moment. The only live-action flick in my possession with a soundtrack CD would be E.T. in the four-disc gift set.

(A slight correction, added late: I also have the deluxe set for The Scorpion King. The soundtrack CD it includes has three exclusive live tracks from a Godsmack concert, not found on the regular CD.)

I also have plenty of other soundtracks, including all of the Matrix series (except for the score from the first--I only have the rock collection).

As for the movie set on Blu-ray, I look forward to getting it any way I can. I skipped out on the HD-DVD version because I could see the format was dying, so this will have been worth my saving the money for.

I thought about it and I agree. I just decided to keep the HD set I purchased from CC for 19.99 (I think it was about that amount). It is stupid to sale it when it looks and sounds terrific. Plus I will still be recovering from an expensive September. ANd finally the box of the HD DVD complete set looks awesome!!! :eek:

http://entertainment.circuitcity.com/Movies/Movie.aspx?prodid=WHV116787HD&store=Movies&si=ccity-prod&channel=b2c&partner=cc&catOid=-13219


How did U do that?!?!?

CC posted a $19.99 on their site at the time of release,[an obvious typo] and some claims that they got it for that price, even though CC sent out emails that they won't honor those orders.

Oh, back then. Yep. I do remember.

:)

I decided to keep my HD DVD set since I'm keeping my player. I got the set for $40 through Amazon, which isn't bad, and they look fantastic. I figure that my player will last for another few years (kow) and most of my best HD rewatchable movies are in that format (Bourne, Riddick, Matrix, Batman Begins, 300, etc.). I have never had one hiccup with my A2 either, so I owe it that much.

Yes. It was originally available on its own, and in a box with the soundtrack CD (the version I own).

Cool, I'll wait till it comes out seperately then. If nothing else, I'm sure Netfix will rent it on it's own.

Official details on how the 7 discs breakdown for this set (from the bits):

Disc One (BD-50) - The Matrix, plus extras
Disc Two (DVD) - The Matrix (Digital Copy)
Disc Three (BD-50) - The Matrix Reloaded, plus extras
Disc Four (BD-50) - The Matrix Revolutions, plus extras
Disc Five (BD-50) - The Animatrix, plus extras
Disc Six (DVD) - Roots of the Matrix / The Burly Man Chronicles
Disc Seven (DVD) - Zion Archives


additionally...

each with In-Movie Experience visual commentary. You'll also get a Digital Copy of The Matrix for use in your portable devices, The Animatrix in 1080p high-definition, ALL of the previously-released standard-definition bonus features from the DVD and HD-DVD versions of this box set, and a booklet of photos.

It also mentioned TrueHD for all the feature presentations.

Brandon

Wait. Why are there 5 BD cases on the sell sheet? If there are only 4 features printed on BDs. And what is 'The Matrix Experience'?

... and they look fantastic..

They will be identical in PQ, and since I couldn't care less about the extra stuff, I'm staying put..

Fry's has had the HD DVD trilogy for $24.99 several times in the last month.

Wait. Why are there 5 BD cases on the sell sheet? If there are only 4 features printed on BDs. And what is 'The Matrix Experience'?

From what I understood of the original press reelase, the "Matrix Experience" was the name for it on the DVD/HD DVD release, and it has been changed to what you see on the last two DVDs of the BD release.

Brandon

They will be identical in PQ, and since I couldn't care less about the extra stuff, I'm staying put..

I agree.

If they sell The Matrix separately I'll buy.

I will not pay for two movies I hate. Already did that with the Alien franchise set on DVD a while back and at the time I thought it was cool. But then I watched 3 and 4 again and will never do so in the future... a waste of money IMHO. I only like 1 & 2 in that series.

what is diff between Us and UK editions?

If they sell The Matrix separately I'll buy.

I will not pay for two movies I hate. Already did that with the Alien franchise set on DVD a while back and at the time I thought it was cool. But then I watched 3 and 4 again and will never do so in the future... a waste of money IMHO. I only like 1 & 2 in that series.

buy all, keep one s, sell others

Using the online coupon, I ordered that and got it, with tax :(, for just a scratch over 70.

I'm really looking forward to replacing my DVD boxset....

Seggers

Disc One (BD-50) - The Matrix, plus extras
Disc Two (DVD) - The Matrix (Digital Copy)
Disc Three (BD-50) - The Matrix Reloaded, plus extras
Disc Four (BD-50) - The Matrix Revolutions, plus extras
Disc Five (BD-50) - The Animatrix, plus extras
Disc Six (DVD) - Roots of the Matrix / The Burly Man Chronicles
Disc Seven (DVD) - Zion Archives
The features on disc 6 were presented on separate platters in the DVD boxset, and yet they're on one disc here. So did Warners pad out the DVD boxset? Say it ain't so! ;)

Still, they're following the same HD pattern as Blade Runner (movies on Blu, extras on SD DVD) and I can't say that I mind a whole lot, as long as the movies are in HD. It means that we get the set a little quicker and perhaps a little cheaper too.

Thank **** the Animatrix is in HD this time though.

buy all, keep one s, sell others

But how many people like Matrix 2&3 and not 1?

I just hope the first MATRIX is in sync this time around.

On my A2, the picture on the HD-DVD version is slightly ahead of the sound. Very annoying and distracting in "bang-crash" action moments and sharp dialogue. GREAT image, but never one of my reference discs because of the sound issue.

I'm pretty sure the issue you describe is an HD DVD issue. It is for me, anyway.

I've had several HD DVD movies that would accumulate audio sync errors over the course of watching them. This has never happened to me on Blu-ray. I'm not trying to fan any flames here, just stating my observations.

Anyway, this is one of the reasons I'll be replacing my Ultimate Matrix set.

Perhaps it's a player issue or a disc issue?

Brandon

Actually, I've never noticed the "gradual drift". My HD-DVD copy of MATRIX (part one... the only one I watch) is out of sync from first frame to last. It's the only HD-DVD in my collection that has a sync issue--although it's admittedly not a huge HD-DVD collection 'cuz I knew it was a doomed format when I started collecting in November.

I've found other evidence on various forums that I'm not the only one seeing a sync problem with that first MATRIX disc. It's fairly well documented and acknowledged across various players. I just hope the Blu-Ray doesn't suffer the same fate, 'cuz it really distracts from the amazing picture.

Perhaps it's a player issue or a disc issue?

Brandon

On movies that would skip (a high %) on my HD-A3 the audio would start to be out of sync as well after the skipping/freezing.. Movies that didn't skip didn't have issues.

Weirdest thing happened with my order of this (and BoB) from WHV.
I ordered in mid August, but they are just now getting around to charging me?

I was sure they pre-auth'd when you ordered and then charged when they shipped.
Anyone else get charged recently for this purchase?

It makes me worry that they are up to their old tricks again...

Weirdest thing happened with my order of this (and BoB) from WHV.
I ordered in mid August, but they are just now getting around to charging me?

I was sure they pre-auth'd when you ordered and then charged when they shipped.
Anyone else get charged recently for this purchase?

It makes me worry that they are up to their old tricks again...

They charged my card also. This is actually probably a good thing. Means that they're probably shipping this title early as they sometimes do. In this case they'd be shipping over 2 weeks early which is surprising, but since its a catalog title, its not that hard to believe. I'm hopefull that I'll receive mine on Monday or Tuesday. Thanks for posting because otherwise I would not have checked my credit card and not been on the lookout for the package. (warner usually doesn't send me the shipping confirmation/tracking till a couple days after they've shipped, sometimes after I've already received the movie)

They charged my card also. This is actually probably a good thing. Means that they're probably shipping this title early as they sometimes do. In this case they'd be shipping over 2 weeks early which is surprising, but since its a catalog title, its not that hard to believe. I'm hopefull that I'll receive mine on Monday or Tuesday. Thanks for posting because otherwise I would not have checked my credit card and not been on the lookout for the package. (warner usually doesn't send me the shipping confirmation/tracking till a couple days after they've shipped, sometimes after I've already received the movie)

Good to hear that I wasn't the only one and that this might be an indicator of shipping early.
You're welcome... I check all my financials every cpl of days online to insure there aren't any unauth charges (a holdover from working in Fraud for years).

I wasn't going to buy this due to the rather high price but since I got it for $60 with the amazon 3-for-2 sale last weekend I'm pretty happy now and excited to see these. I honestly don't think I have ever seen the 3rd movie and maybe not even all of the 2nd one.

Wait. Why are there 5 BD cases on the sell sheet? If there are only 4 features printed on BDs. And what is 'The Matrix Experience'?

In all likelyhood, Case 1: The Matrix BD and Digital Copy packaged together; Case 2: The Matrix Reloaded BD
Case 3: The Matrix Revolutions BD
Case 4: The Animatrix BD
Case 5: Both Extras DVDs packaged together.

I'm pretty sure the issue you describe is an HD DVD issue. It is for me, anyway.

I've had several HD DVD movies that would accumulate audio sync errors over the course of watching them. This has never happened to me on Blu-ray. I'm not trying to fan any flames here, just stating my observations.

Anyway, this is one of the reasons I'll be replacing my Ultimate Matrix set.

I'm still trying to figure this one out. I can understand a lip sync error being introduced when the disc is authored, but one that incrementally gets worse with each replay of the disc....?!? I guess the probability is not identically zero that degradation due to oxidation could introduce the precise errors to the audio track alone (and over several iterations, even!) such that the disc would still play with pristine PQ, only introducing lip sync errors... Seriously, aside from any such degradation, either the disc has a lip sync problem, or it does not: it cannot be a gradual occurrence from the disc POV...

Japanese Blu-Ray Packaging.

From http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/09/29/matrix-trilogy-comes.html

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/picture-105.png

No wonder they have a shortage of space in Japan. :p

Japanese Blu-Ray Packaging.

From http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/09/29/matrix-trilogy-comes.html

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/picture-105.png


Couldn't help myself. Just ordered it from Amazon.co.jp which was the cheapest out of all the .jp etailers, if you can call 29604Yen (Roughly $280US) cheap :rolleyes:

The fact that's made by Hot Toys gives me a minor concilation.

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/matrixjapanset1.jpg

As previously said: I'd be there with bells on if The Animatrix was released on its own, having bought the HD DVD set last year. Buying the entire set all over again, though? Not my first choice...

Couldn't help myself. Just ordered it from Amazon.co.jp which was the cheapest out of all the .jp etailers, if you can call 29604Yen (Roughly $280US) cheap :rolleyes:

The fact that's made by Hot Toys gives me a minor concilation.


Fantastic! Post some pics when you get it!

As previously said: I'd be there with bells on if The Animatrix was released on its own, having bought the HD DVD set last year. Buying the entire set all over again, though? Not my first choice...

Import from Europe, then. Animatrix will be a seperate release over here.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Animatrix-Blu-ray-Carrie-Anne-Moss/dp/B001CP4VM0/ref=sr_1_4/202-7079072-8061402?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1222871118&sr=8-4

Import from Europe, then. Animatrix will be a seperate release over here.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Animatrix-Blu-ray-Carrie-Anne-Moss/dp/B001CP4VM0/ref=sr_1_4/202-7079072-8061402?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1222871118&sr=8-4
It will probably be released in the US as well whenever they decide to release the films separately. Although come to think about it, they never did release the "green" Matrix DVD from the collection on its own, did they?

Animatrix has TrueHD audio.:eek: Yessss.:)

It's like one Warner is cool, but the other one could care less.
http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=6116

Finally the definitive matrix box set. Can't wait.

Animatrix has TrueHD audio.:eek: Yessss.:)

It's like one Warner is cool, but the other one could care less.
http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=6116

Finally the definitive matrix box set. Can't wait.

Yes! This makes me happy... hoping for early delivery :crossesfingers:
I'm kinda glad it's not a multi-box like Blade Runner.
I can keep the discs out that I want and put away the rest...

It looks like the Amazon price for this set is still $89.95. I was hoping it would go down like the Godfather set did. I guess there is still time.

It looks like the Amazon price for this set is still $89.95. I was hoping it would go down like the Godfather set did. I guess there is still time.

DId you try the 30% coupon and ordering it directly from ther Warner Bros site?

It's all in the BOGO sticky thread.

Seggers

Just ordered mine from WHV.. Hopefully I receive it sooner than later!

It looks like the Amazon price for this set is still $89.95. I was hoping it would go down like the Godfather set did. I guess there is still time.

Well it was part of the Amazon 3 for 2 sale. That is how I got mine so it was $30 off effectively.

Hi guys,

I received this today. I'll check it out ASAP.

Question for someone..Did they re-encode for a 50gb? I'm sure it's the same transfer from the HD-DVD set.

Thanks,
Paul

Pretty sure Warner is just re-using the previous HD DVD encodes. I know other reviewers got the set so I'm sure some can compare. Apparently instead of normal BD cases they are packaged in cardboard sleeves?

My US set should be dispatched any day now. Can't wait to revisit the first flick and to finally get some Animatrix HD goodness.

Could you take some pics of the packaging? I'm curious to know what I "missed" by going with the red version a year and (almost) a half ago.

Could you take some pics of the packaging? I'm curious to know what I "missed" by going with the red version a year and (almost) a half ago.

The only thing "missing" from this set is the SD version of 'the Animatrix' which is now presented in HD, finally. Other than that, they are identical regarding content. The larger capacity of Blu-ray allowed for the special features on one side of a disk. No disc flipping with the Blu-ray version. :)

Did you get an e-mail stating that it had been shipped, or did it just show up in the mail?

Please check out The Animatrix for us and report back! Thanks!

Pretty sure Warner is just re-using the previous HD DVD encodes. I know other reviewers got the set so I'm sure some can compare. Apparently instead of normal BD cases they are packaged in cardboard sleeves?

No. ultra thin BD plastic cases. 5 cases:

Matrix 1 and digital copy
2
3
Animatrix
added value (2 disc)

No. ultra thin BD plastic cases.
Are these essentially Blu-ray sized versions of the thin cases often used in TV on DVD sets like Futurama or Firefly or the re-releases of Fox series like The X-Files and Angel?

Pics please. If the cases aren't normal, I'm glad I kept my red set.

Animatrix looks killer. TRUE HD on it as well, which is nice.

Here's a photo of the cases:

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5605/img1791in3.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/img1791in3.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img185/img1791in3.jpg/1/)

Wow! Thats a nice looking set! You might have to fix your picture links though as they arent coming up properly.

DId you try the 30% coupon and ordering it directly from ther Warner Bros site?

It's all in the BOGO sticky thread.

Seggers
WHV automatically discounts it by 20% from their listed price and you can't use any of the coupons on top of that. You can get it for $80 from WHV but I'm really surprised that it hasn't dropped further on sites like Amazon.

WHV automatically discounts it by 20% from their listed price and you can't use any of the coupons on top of that. You can get it for $80 from WHV but I'm really surprised that it hasn't dropped further on sites like Amazon.

If you purchase 2 items from WHV you can apply ANWBTS which will up your discount to 30%. So I'd find a cheap movie and tack it on. Although taxes are a problem with this site for some folks....

paul were these from warner? havnt got the shipping email yet here

No, not from Warner

Ah... I remember all those arguments I had with people SWEARING that The Animatrix simply MUST have been edited and mastered in SD even though it had a full proper 35mm film screening...

sweet justice...

:)

Ah... I remember all those arguments I had with people SWEARING that The Animatrix simply MUST have been edited and mastered in SD even though it had a full proper 35mm film screening...

sweet justice...

:)
Right on.:D

I would like to add; To the nay sayers - Told ya so!;)

^I recall that thread.

:)

Does Warner send a shipping e-mail or not? I've never ordered anything from them. Also, has anyone received their copy from Warner?

Does Warner send a shipping e-mail or not? I've never ordered anything from them. Also, has anyone received their copy from Warner?

Yes, and mine, no....

Seggers

Does Warner send a shipping e-mail or not? I've never ordered anything from them. Also, has anyone received their copy from Warner?

Yes and No. On my past orders, sometimes they send a shipping notice when it actually ships, sometimes they don't send a notice at all, and sometimes I get the notice after I've already received the movie. I haven't received my Matrix order yet or any shipping email. Strangely, they charged my credit card for it over a week ago, then a couple days later the charge disappeared. Usually they ship it on the day that they charge your credit card. The charge hasn't reappeared yet, so I doubt they've actually shipped it yet. Can't wait to get it, been checking my credit card every day :)

When will be UK orders shipped?

HDD review is up. Peter says 5.0 for PQ and AQ..

HDD review is up. Peter says 5.0 for PQ and AQ..

Weird. It's not coming up for me.

HDD review is up. Peter says 5.0 for PQ and AQ..

Considering it's the same VC-1/TrueHD encodes from the HD DVDs, I'd expect no less... unless he pulled another downvote a'la Transformers!

Considering it's the same VC-1/TrueHD encodes from the HD DVDs, I'd expect no less... unless he pulled another downvote a'la Transformers!

Can't access it now. Bracke is a hack.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/300/matrix_umc.html

I also preorderd the UK-Version when it was cheap on amazon.co.uk. Now I've read that the first movie was cut in the UK. Is that true? Thanks!

When will be UK orders shipped?
Should be Nov.17th for The Complete Matrix. No release date yet for the Ultimate Matrix.

Question for someone..Did they re-encode for a 50gb? I'm sure it's the same transfer from the HD-DVD set.

I too would like to know the answer. I'm leaning towards this being the exact same transfer as I've never seen Warner do a new encode for Blu-ray.

I also preorderd the UK-Version when it was cheap on amazon.co.uk. Now I've read that the first movie was cut in the UK. Is that true? Thanks!

I ordered same as you. In searching out the answer to the same question before, I found that the DVDs had been edited, but the HD DVD releases were not. As WB is notoriously cheap, these should be the same encodes previously released on HD DVD, meaning uncut. I believe someone even posted up evidence WB eventually got around to recertifiying the ratings for the UK.

I ordered same as you. In searching out the answer to the same question before, I found that the DVDs had been edited, but the HD DVD releases were not. As WB is notoriously cheap, these should be the same encodes previously released on HD DVD, meaning uncut.

Thank You! I hope that will be the case then.

Just picked mine up can post pictures if anyone is interested

Ah... I remember all those arguments I had with people SWEARING that The Animatrix simply MUST have been edited and mastered in SD even though it had a full proper 35mm film screening...

sweet justice...

:)

Lolz!

:p

Just picked mine up can post pictures if anyone is interested

Where did you purchase it from?

I know it's a trivial thing, but HDD's review appears to make no mention of the Will Ferrell MTV skit that was on the HD DVD set. I hope that it's not been dropped, although it's not a deal breaker or anything. :D

I procure all of my early purchases in NYC.

I hope the Animatrix eventually gets released on its own. I don't want to rebuy the whole thing just for it.

Anyone know if the Animatrix in the UK is region free?

This whole UMC packaging is a joke. Why include special features on DVD and charge the customers extra ? Why not include the extras on the Blu-ray when this is supposed to be another HD DVD port ?

I really wish Warner wouldn't cut corners and recycle their HD DVD encodes. Sure, this may look "great", but that's only because we haven't had an opportunity to see it look better...

This whole UMC packaging is a joke. Why include special features on DVD and charge the customers extra ? Why not include the extras on the Blu-ray when this is supposed to be another HD DVD port ?
The Ultimate HD DVD set featured standard DVDs for much of the extras too. Warners have at least made the effort to port some of the stuff that was on the DVD flip-sides of the Ultimate HD DVD platters onto the BDs for each movie. And they used DVDs for Blade Runner as well, so it's not like they don't have priors for it.

Just picked mine up can post pictures if anyone is interested

please do, intresting to see how the cover looks.

Doesn't seem to be available through Netflix as I tried to add the first movie to my queue but Blu Ray release date is saying unknown.

That is interesting the BD has a slightly lower bitrate. I always thought Warner just did direct ports.

I'm more curious now if they will alter the upcoming 10th Ann version coming out 1st qt next year. Maybe this will be a higher bitrate encode to try and get people to already double dip who bought the boxset. Probably not as it's likely for people like me who just want the first movie, but just a thought.

I really wish Warner wouldn't cut corners and recycle their HD DVD encodes. Sure, this may look "great", but that's only because we haven't had an opportunity to see it look better...

And you know that how, exactly?

Discs look and sound fantastic (Animatrix included) on my Elite 60" 1080p w/ BD-30

The Ultimate HD DVD set featured standard DVDs for much of the extras too. Warners have at least made the effort to port some of the stuff that was on the DVD flip-sides of the Ultimate HD DVD platters onto the BDs for each movie. And they used DVDs for Blade Runner as well, so it's not like they don't have priors for it.

Let's wait for the disc specs to be published and come to a conclusion. Looks like Warner has created a brand new encode for Animatrix (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14830329#post14830329). Had they done the same to Matrix Trilogy, it makes perfect sense to put the special features on separate DVDs. However if they did HD DVD port with additional dubs then I am sure each disc will be spared with 10~18 GB of space that could have been used to accommodate the DVD contents, eliminate their usage in the packaging and price it around the same as Godfather.

House has posted the BD Info for The Matrix. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14831329#post14831329)

HD DVD - 17.93 Mbps
Blu-ray - 16.43 Mbps

WTH is wrong with these blunders ?

The Matrix VC-1 2:16:09 23,014,805,504*~25,954,501,000 22.53 ~17.93 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit Yes DDPlus 5.1 640Kbps

10 GB space wasted = One DVD-9 space + 1 GB.

************************************************************ ********
Constantine

Blu-ray - 11.88 Mbps
HD DVD - 13.15 Mbps

Format: Blu-ray
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1
VC-1 BD-50
Running time: 2:00:47
Movie size: 21,23 GB
Disc size: 28,85 GB [21 GB space wasted] :o
Average video bit rate: 11.88 Mbps

************************************

Format: HD DVD
VC-1 / HD-30
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1
Running time: 2:00:40
Movie size: 16,42 GB
Disc size: 23,57 GB
Average video bit rate: 13.15 Mbps

Is the discrepancy due to the IME track ? :confused:

Let's wait for the disc specs to be published and come to a conclusion. Looks like Warner has created a brand new encode for Animatrix (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14830329#post14830329). Had they done the same to Matrix Trilogy, it makes perfect sense to put the special features on separate DVDs. However if they did HD DVD port with additional dubs then I am sure each disc will be spared with 10~18 GB of space that could have been used to accommodate the DVD contents, eliminate their usage in the packaging and price it around the same as Godfather.

House has posted the BD Info for The Matrix. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14831329#post14831329)

HD DVD - 17.93 Mbps
Blu-ray - 16.43 Mbps

WTH is wrong with these blunders ?

The Matrix VC-1 2:16:09 23,014,805,504*~25,954,501,000 22.53 ~17.93 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-bit Yes DDPlus 5.1 640Kbps

10 GB space wasted = One DVD-9 space + 1 GB.

************************************************************ ********
Constantine

Blu-ray - 11.88 Mbps
HD DVD - 13.15 Mbps

Format: Blu-ray
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1
VC-1 BD-50
Running time: 2:00:47
Movie size: 21,23 GB
Disc size: 28,85 GB [21 GB space wasted] :o
Average video bit rate: 11.88 Mbps

************************************

Format: HD DVD
VC-1 / HD-30
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1
Running time: 2:00:40
Movie size: 16,42 GB
Disc size: 23,57 GB
Average video bit rate: 13.15 Mbps

Is the discrepancy due to the IME track ? :confused:

The Ultimate HD DVD set had flipper discs for the 3 films - HD DVD on one side, DVD on the other. The Ultimate Blu-ray set replaces those 3 two-sided discs with just 3 Blu-ray discs - so the extras on the DVD sides have been incorporated into the Blu-rays, utilizing the extra capacity the Blu-rays offer.

The 2 standard DVDs in the Blu-ray set (1 single-sided, 1 a dual-sided flipper) are, from my understanding, carbon copies of the stand-alone DVDs from the HD DVD set. There may have not been enough room on the Blu-rays to ALSO add in the extra, effectively, 3 DVDs worth of stuff (considering each Blu-ray already has an extra DVD's worth of info on it). Plus there's the fact that these extras relate to the Matrix franchise as a whole, and not a specific film in the trilogy, so they'd seem out of place on the discs. And the third reason being of course that more discs makes the package look more valuable. Could they have used an extra BD to fit all the content? Maybe, but it seems silly for stuff that is entirely standard def. The terrible knowledge that there is a standard DVD in the collection doesn't magically reduce the quality.

---------

On another note:

The spec info you posted seems a bit... odd. For the Constantine info, how can the filesize of the Blu-ray be larger but the average bitrate smaller? There are still the same number of frames in the movie, so that seems mathematically impossible. Does the movie size take the IME into account, but the average video bitrate does not? And there was an IME on the HD DVD as well if I remember correctly.

edit: NVM on the spec discussion. The below post explains away the discrepancy. I expect The Matrix films and Constantine to be just ports.

The HD DVD specs were estimates, there wasn't a tool like BDInfo that would spit out nice information, so it makes sense there's a plus/minus leeway for error compared to the BD ports. Constantine BD also has more foreign language audio/subtitle tracks where the HD DVD just had English, French, and Spanish IIRC.

The Ultimate HD DVD set had flipper discs for the 3 films - HD DVD on one side, DVD on the other. The Ultimate Blu-ray set replaces those 3 two-sided discs with just 3 Blu-ray discs - so the extras on the DVD sides have been incorporated into the Blu-rays, utilizing the extra capacity the Blu-rays offer.

The 2 standard DVDs in the Blu-ray set (1 single-sided, 1 a dual-sided flipper) are, from my understanding, carbon copies of the stand-alone DVDs from the HD DVD set. There may have not been enough room on the Blu-rays to ALSO add in the extra, effectively, 3 DVDs worth of stuff (considering each Blu-ray already has an extra DVD's worth of info on it). Plus there's the fact that these extras relate to the Matrix franchise as a whole, and not a specific film in the trilogy, so they'd seem out of place on the discs. And the third reason being of course that more discs makes the package look more valuable. Could they have used an extra BD to fit all the content? Maybe, but it seems silly for stuff that is entirely standard def. The terrible knowledge that there is a standard DVD in the collection doesn't magically reduce the quality.

Thanks. That's exactly what I was getting at, only I didn't feel like explaining it. :D

Can some one verify? amazon UK version US PS3 compatible or not?
Orig post, references were for PRO it to be, now some spoilers saying it region B only:confused:

To everyone who has it already, please stop teasing us and post some screens! I can't wait to see The Matrix and The Animatrix in 1080p!!

And Warner Home Video, just ship it already!!

To everyone who has it already, please stop teasing us and post some screens! I can't wait to see The Matrix and The Animatrix in 1080p!!

And Warner Home Video, just ship it already!!

Check Xylon's screenshots of The Matrix HD DVD since this is the same old encode. You will have to wait for Animatrix shots from someone though. :)

The HD DVD specs were estimates, there wasn't a tool like BDInfo that would spit out nice information, so it makes sense there's a plus/minus leeway for error compared to the BD ports. Constantine BD also has more foreign language audio/subtitle tracks where the HD DVD just had English, French, and Spanish IIRC.

The HD DVD specs without ~ are not estimates. Prior to Cinema Squid releasing BDInfo, the Blu-ray specs were calculated the same way as the fully calculated HD DVD specs - by demuxing the streams and dividing the filesize by runtime. This is accurate to within a 0.00Mbps to 0.02Mbps variation versus other methods.

The spec info you posted seems a bit... odd. For the Constantine info, how can the filesize of the Blu-ray be larger but the average bitrate smaller? There are still the same number of frames in the movie, so that seems mathematically impossible. Does the movie size take the IME into account, but the average video bitrate does not? And there was an IME on the HD DVD as well if I remember correctly.

I know you said nevermind, but since House's reasoning was wrong... ;)

It's not mathematically impossible at all, you're just misunderstanding the math. :) Even without IME, you still have to take other factors into account.

The movie size is just the size of the movie file(s) on the disc. These are "muxes" of EVERYTHING that can be selected to play during the movie - the video track, audio tracks, subtitles tracks, and REAL PiP tracks (i.e. some movies have separate encodes for PiP which would be in separate files but Constantine, etc. have real ones).

Besides additional tracks being on some discs, even Warner's discs that have exactly the same content have different movie sizes due to the different container format being used. HD DVD uses EVO, and Blu-ray uses M2TS. One of these (I believe M2TS) results in more "overhead" beyond the size of the included tracks themselves - and thus those movie sizes are larger despite offering EXACTLY the same content with EXACTLY the same bitrates.

There is one other format difference that could cause a slight discrepancy but it requires a more detailed explanation that I'm not prepared to attempt at the moment. :p

EDIT: As far as the PiP video bitrate being included in the AVBR or not, benes would have to chime in as to how he calculated this particular title, but I know that with eac3to demuxing my HD DVDs, the PiP is seen as a separate track and demuxed separately from the main movie video. In other words the PiP should not be included in the AVBR for HD DVDs. It definitely isn't included in the AVBR in BDInfo's listing, and BDInfo actually provides the PiP track's tiny bitrate as a separate stat in the full listing.

Shots for Animatrix, as mentioned the other movies are just the ported encodes, plenty of shots of those already.



DISC INFO:

Disc Title: ANIMATRIX_WW
Disc Size: 39,255,041,552 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: No

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00001.mpls
Size: 25,406,318,592 bytes
Length: 1:40:50 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 33.59 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 2,115,704,832 0:09:34.031 0:00:00.000 0:09:34.031
00032.M2TS 2,610,456,576 0:09:14.845 0:09:34.031 0:18:48.877
00034.M2TS 2,573,309,952 0:09:23.104 0:18:48.877 0:28:11.981
00036.M2TS 2,372,333,568 0:09:38.619 0:28:11.981 0:37:50.601
00038.M2TS 1,999,374,336 0:07:15.560 0:37:50.601 0:45:06.161
00040.M2TS 2,365,784,064 0:08:43.814 0:45:06.161 0:53:49.976
00042.M2TS 3,358,623,744 0:13:03.741 0:53:49.976 1:06:53.717
00044.M2TS 2,782,703,616 0:09:50.631 1:06:53.717 1:16:44.349
00046.M2TS 4,212,934,656 0:16:17.351 1:16:44.349 1:33:01.701
00055.M2TS 1,015,093,248 0:07:48.801 1:33:01.701 1:40:50.502

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 20425 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 1822 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 2203kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby TrueHD Audio Japanese 1857 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 2283kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Italian 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Portuguese 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 19.524 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 15.675 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 0.002 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 14.638 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 13.590 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 16.914 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 14.015 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 18.212 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 21.553 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 14.908 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 18.340 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 14.356 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 14.356 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 0.895 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 17.267 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 14.645 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 16.515 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 14.295 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Length Avg Video Rate Max 1-Sec Rate Max 1-Sec Time Max 5-Sec Rate Max 5-Sec Time Max 10Sec Rate Max 10Sec Time Avg Frame Size Max Frame Size Max Frame Time
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1 0:00:00.000 0:09:34.032 15,676 kbps 35,340 kbps 00:06:43.862 27,079 kbps 00:09:03.835 24,170 kbps 00:07:22.651 81,730 bytes 520,696 bytes 00:06:54.497
2 0:09:34.032 0:09:14.846 23,608 kbps 47,345 kbps 00:16:45.671 32,901 kbps 00:12:23.117 28,941 kbps 00:12:19.364 123,082 bytes 886,738 bytes 00:17:10.404
3 0:18:48.878 0:09:23.104 22,622 kbps 46,084 kbps 00:24:08.906 33,440 kbps 00:25:48.338 30,439 kbps 00:25:48.338 117,939 bytes 576,082 bytes 00:22:40.526
4 0:28:11.982 0:09:38.620 20,296 kbps 40,348 kbps 00:36:22.389 30,500 kbps 00:34:39.077 27,553 kbps 00:35:13.820 105,816 bytes 535,669 bytes 00:29:22.636
5 0:37:50.602 0:07:15.560 23,162 kbps 37,857 kbps 00:42:40.433 32,813 kbps 00:42:52.528 30,637 kbps 00:43:08.711 120,757 bytes 669,688 bytes 00:40:13.202
6 0:45:06.162 0:08:43.815 23,215 kbps 46,886 kbps 00:51:32.006 32,696 kbps 00:50:13.052 30,660 kbps 00:46:27.368 121,034 bytes 650,112 bytes 00:49:01.063
7 0:53:49.977 0:13:03.741 21,496 kbps 41,130 kbps 01:06:31.905 31,472 kbps 01:03:10.996 28,030 kbps 01:03:05.615 112,068 bytes 647,922 bytes 00:56:38.520
8 1:06:53.718 0:09:50.632 25,085 kbps 41,603 kbps 01:11:49.722 32,950 kbps 01:10:53.249 30,393 kbps 01:13:51.385 130,784 bytes 558,241 bytes 01:09:34.962
9 1:16:44.350 0:16:17.351 21,108 kbps 40,421 kbps 01:18:13.397 33,046 kbps 01:29:37.122 30,224 kbps 01:19:48.117 110,050 bytes 686,339 bytes 01:26:26.473
10 1:33:01.701 0:07:48.802 5,244 kbps 11,678 kbps 01:36:50.221 10,720 kbps 01:36:48.761 10,035 kbps 01:37:26.883 27,340 bytes 314,376 bytes 01:36:50.596

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Codec Lang. Code Lang. Name Seconds Bytes Packets Bitrate
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00000.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0xEA VC-1 574.03 1,124,844,342 6,121,591 15,676
00000.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 AC3 eng English 574.03 45,923,840 269,085 640
00000.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x83 TrueHD eng English 574.03 203,969,054 1,593,820 2,843
00000.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 AC3 fra French 574.03 45,923,840 269,085 640
00000.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 AC3 ita Italian 574.03 45,923,840 269,085 640
00000.M2TS 4356 (0x1104) 0x81 AC3 jpn Japanese 574.03 45,923,840 269,085 640
00000.M2TS 4357 (0x1105) 0x83 TrueHD jpn Japanese 574.03 209,746,066 1,598,003 2,923
00000.M2TS 4358 (0x1106) 0x81 AC3 spa Spanish 574.03 45,923,840 269,085 640
00000.M2TS 4359 (0x1107) 0x81 AC3 por Portuguese 574.03 45,923,840 269,085 640
00000.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 PGS eng English 574.03 790,472 4,593 11
00000.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 PGS fra French 574.03 689,015 4,014 10
00000.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 574.03 748,778 4,352 10
00000.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 574.03 861,427 4,995 12
00000.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 574.03 622,910 3,619 9
00000.M2TS 4613 (0x1205) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 574.03 694,590 4,048 10
00000.M2TS 4614 (0x1206) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 574.03 708,149 4,121 10
00000.M2TS 4615 (0x1207) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 574.03 593,205 3,621 8
00000.M2TS 4616 (0x1208) 0x90 PGS eng English 574.03 799,739 4,631 11
00000.M2TS 4617 (0x1209) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 574.03 593,205 3,621 8
00000.M2TS 4618 (0x120A) 0x90 PGS fra French 574.03 584,575 3,439 8
00000.M2TS 4619 (0x120B) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 574.03 735,730 4,276 10
00000.M2TS 4620 (0x120C) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 574.03 843,268 4,886 12
00000.M2TS 4621 (0x120D) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 574.03 652,084 3,778 9
00000.M2TS 4622 (0x120E) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 574.03 635,791 3,719 9
00000.M2TS 4623 (0x120F) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 574.03 715,599 4,150 10
00000.M2TS 4624 (0x1210) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 574.03 17,459 129 0
00000.M2TS 4625 (0x1211) 0x90 PGS eng English 574.03 181 7 0
00032.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0xEA VC-1 554.85 1,637,477,582 8,907,372 23,610
00032.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 AC3 eng English 554.85 44,387,840 260,085 640
00032.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x83 TrueHD eng English 554.85 174,258,694 1,452,063 2,513
00032.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 AC3 fra French 554.85 44,387,840 260,085 640
00032.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 AC3 ita Italian 554.85 44,387,840 260,085 640
00032.M2TS 4356 (0x1104) 0x81 AC3 jpn Japanese 554.85 44,387,840 260,085 640
00032.M2TS 4357 (0x1105) 0x83 TrueHD jpn Japanese 554.85 178,311,058 1,471,434 2,571
00032.M2TS 4358 (0x1106) 0x81 AC3 spa Spanish 554.85 44,387,840 260,085 640
00032.M2TS 4359 (0x1107) 0x81 AC3 por Portuguese 554.85 44,387,840 260,085 640
00032.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 PGS eng English 554.85 2,342,601 13,234 34
00032.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 PGS fra French 554.85 2,207,996 12,498 32
00032.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 554.85 2,325,684 13,145 34
00032.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 554.85 2,523,668 14,251 36
00032.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 554.85 1,899,761 10,748 27
00032.M2TS 4613 (0x1205) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 554.85 2,115,947 12,011 31
00032.M2TS 4614 (0x1206) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 554.85 2,131,099 12,048 31
00032.M2TS 4615 (0x1207) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 554.85 1,838,722 10,452 27
00032.M2TS 4616 (0x1208) 0x90 PGS eng English 554.85 1,687,756 9,640 24
00032.M2TS 4617 (0x1209) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 554.85 1,838,722 10,452 27
00032.M2TS 4618 (0x120A) 0x90 PGS fra French 554.85 1,723,719 9,798 25
00032.M2TS 4619 (0x120B) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 554.85 1,854,158 10,530 27
00032.M2TS 4620 (0x120C) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 554.85 2,027,291 11,510 29
00032.M2TS 4621 (0x120D) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 554.85 1,667,179 9,477 24
00032.M2TS 4622 (0x120E) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 554.85 1,805,764 10,243 26
00032.M2TS 4623 (0x120F) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 554.85 1,789,731 10,163 26
00032.M2TS 4624 (0x1210) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 554.85 181 7 0
00032.M2TS 4625 (0x1211) 0x90 PGS eng English 554.85 181 7 0
00034.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0xEA VC-1 563.10 1,592,171,391 8,661,279 22,620
00034.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 AC3 eng English 563.10 45,050,880 263,970 640
00034.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x83 TrueHD eng English 563.10 186,617,634 1,505,886 2,651
00034.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 AC3 fra French 563.10 45,050,880 263,970 640
00034.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 AC3 ita Italian 563.10 45,050,880 263,970 640
00034.M2TS 4356 (0x1104) 0x81 AC3 jpn Japanese 563.10 45,050,880 263,970 640
00034.M2TS 4357 (0x1105) 0x83 TrueHD jpn Japanese 563.10 189,866,374 1,512,422 2,697
00034.M2TS 4358 (0x1106) 0x81 AC3 spa Spanish 563.10 45,050,880 263,970 640
00034.M2TS 4359 (0x1107) 0x81 AC3 por Portuguese 563.10 45,050,880 263,970 640
00034.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 PGS eng English 563.10 1,549,700 8,826 22
00034.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 PGS fra French 563.10 1,323,626 7,512 19
00034.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 563.10 1,408,315 7,974 20
00034.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 563.10 1,686,337 9,602 24
00034.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 563.10 1,222,201 6,939 17
00034.M2TS 4613 (0x1205) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 563.10 1,312,051 7,443 19
00034.M2TS 4614 (0x1206) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 563.10 1,361,945 7,699 19
00034.M2TS 4615 (0x1207) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 563.10 1,114,030 6,380 16
00034.M2TS 4616 (0x1208) 0x90 PGS eng English 563.10 1,225,536 7,066 17
00034.M2TS 4617 (0x1209) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 563.10 1,114,030 6,380 16
00034.M2TS 4618 (0x120A) 0x90 PGS fra French 563.10 1,119,172 6,384 16
00034.M2TS 4619 (0x120B) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 563.10 1,029,252 5,895 15
00034.M2TS 4620 (0x120C) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 563.10 1,383,284 7,938 20
00034.M2TS 4621 (0x120D) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 563.10 1,010,289 5,779 14
00034.M2TS 4622 (0x120E) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 563.10 1,151,619 6,559 16
00034.M2TS 4623 (0x120F) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 563.10 1,041,506 5,955 15
00034.M2TS 4624 (0x1210) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 563.10 181 7 0
00034.M2TS 4625 (0x1211) 0x90 PGS eng English 563.10 181 7 0
00036.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0xEA VC-1 578.62 1,467,993,145 7,986,601 20,296
00036.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 AC3 eng English 578.62 46,289,920 271,230 640
00036.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x83 TrueHD eng English 578.62 164,534,946 1,299,397 2,275
00036.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 AC3 fra French 578.62 46,289,920 271,230 640
00036.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 AC3 ita Italian 578.62 46,289,920 271,230 640
00036.M2TS 4356 (0x1104) 0x81 AC3 jpn Japanese 578.62 46,289,920 271,230 640
00036.M2TS 4357 (0x1105) 0x83 TrueHD jpn Japanese 578.62 166,566,938 1,330,130 2,303
00036.M2TS 4358 (0x1106) 0x81 AC3 spa Spanish 578.62 46,289,920 271,230 640
00036.M2TS 4359 (0x1107) 0x81 AC3 por Portuguese 578.62 46,289,920 271,230 640
00036.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 PGS eng English 578.62 805,747 4,637 11
00036.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 PGS fra French 578.62 897,677 5,161 12
00036.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 578.62 928,072 5,345 13
00036.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 578.62 1,108,851 6,399 15
00036.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 578.62 762,575 4,365 11
00036.M2TS 4613 (0x1205) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 578.62 856,983 4,945 12
00036.M2TS 4614 (0x1206) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 578.62 915,634 5,273 13
00036.M2TS 4615 (0x1207) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 578.62 895,071 5,356 12
00036.M2TS 4616 (0x1208) 0x90 PGS eng English 578.62 853,966 4,933 12
00036.M2TS 4617 (0x1209) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 578.62 895,071 5,356 12
00036.M2TS 4618 (0x120A) 0x90 PGS fra French 578.62 900,055 5,173 12
00036.M2TS 4619 (0x120B) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 578.62 935,144 5,364 13
00036.M2TS 4620 (0x120C) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 578.62 1,151,708 6,640 16
00036.M2TS 4621 (0x120D) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 578.62 875,592 5,022 12
00036.M2TS 4622 (0x120E) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 578.62 893,509 5,138 12
00036.M2TS 4623 (0x120F) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 578.62 940,080 5,390 13
00036.M2TS 4624 (0x1210) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 578.62 362,644 2,290 5
00036.M2TS 4625 (0x1211) 0x90 PGS eng English 578.62 181 7 0
00038.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0xEA VC-1 435.56 1,261,066,144 6,859,920 23,162
00038.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 AC3 eng English 435.56 34,846,720 204,180 640
00038.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x83 TrueHD eng English 435.56 133,171,828 1,074,842 2,446
00038.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 AC3 fra French 435.56 34,846,720 204,180 640
00038.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 AC3 ita Italian 435.56 34,846,720 204,180 640
00038.M2TS 4356 (0x1104) 0x81 AC3 jpn Japanese 435.56 34,846,720 204,180 640
00038.M2TS 4357 (0x1105) 0x83 TrueHD jpn Japanese 435.56 135,816,372 1,113,015 2,495
00038.M2TS 4358 (0x1106) 0x81 AC3 spa Spanish 435.56 34,846,720 204,180 640
00038.M2TS 4359 (0x1107) 0x81 AC3 por Portuguese 435.56 34,846,720 204,180 640
00038.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 PGS eng English 435.56 1,562,767 8,991 29
00038.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 PGS fra French 435.56 1,353,583 7,785 25
00038.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 435.56 1,443,390 8,271 27
00038.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 435.56 1,689,237 9,695 31
00038.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 435.56 1,247,406 7,115 23
00038.M2TS 4613 (0x1205) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 435.56 1,352,073 7,771 25
00038.M2TS 4614 (0x1206) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 435.56 1,432,835 8,211 26
00038.M2TS 4615 (0x1207) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 435.56 1,099,800 6,415 20
00038.M2TS 4616 (0x1208) 0x90 PGS eng English 435.56 1,392,911 8,075 26
00038.M2TS 4617 (0x1209) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 435.56 1,099,800 6,415 20
00038.M2TS 4618 (0x120A) 0x90 PGS fra French 435.56 1,153,102 6,646 21
00038.M2TS 4619 (0x120B) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 435.56 1,217,650 6,998 22
00038.M2TS 4620 (0x120C) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 435.56 1,567,271 9,040 29
00038.M2TS 4621 (0x120D) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 435.56 1,102,170 6,357 20
00038.M2TS 4622 (0x120E) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 435.56 1,129,621 6,519 21
00038.M2TS 4623 (0x120F) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 435.56 1,208,917 6,944 22
00038.M2TS 4624 (0x1210) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 435.56 181 7 0
00038.M2TS 4625 (0x1211) 0x90 PGS eng English 435.56 181 7 0
00040.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0xEA VC-1 523.81 1,520,063,187 8,268,797 23,215
00040.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 AC3 eng English 523.81 41,907,200 245,550 640
00040.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x83 TrueHD eng English 523.81 159,376,394 1,237,108 2,434
00040.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 AC3 fra French 523.81 41,907,200 245,550 640
00040.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 AC3 ita Italian 523.81 25,144,320 147,330 384
00040.M2TS 4356 (0x1104) 0x81 AC3 jpn Japanese 523.81 41,907,200 245,550 640
00040.M2TS 4357 (0x1105) 0x83 TrueHD jpn Japanese 523.81 161,456,162 1,259,821 2,466
00040.M2TS 4358 (0x1106) 0x81 AC3 spa Spanish 523.81 41,907,200 245,550 640
00040.M2TS 4359 (0x1107) 0x81 AC3 por Portuguese 523.81 41,907,200 245,550 640
00040.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 PGS eng English 523.81 2,161,919 12,289 33
00040.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 PGS fra French 523.81 1,859,052 10,614 28
00040.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 523.81 2,073,488 11,790 32
00040.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 523.81 2,216,195 12,623 34
00040.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 523.81 1,540,578 8,764 24
00040.M2TS 4613 (0x1205) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 523.81 1,841,837 10,521 28
00040.M2TS 4614 (0x1206) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 523.81 1,937,613 11,041 30
00040.M2TS 4615 (0x1207) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 523.81 1,527,539 8,844 23
00040.M2TS 4616 (0x1208) 0x90 PGS eng English 523.81 1,574,936 9,064 24
00040.M2TS 4617 (0x1209) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 523.81 1,527,539 8,844 23
00040.M2TS 4618 (0x120A) 0x90 PGS fra French 523.81 1,455,511 8,363 22
00040.M2TS 4619 (0x120B) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 523.81 1,608,441 9,201 25
00040.M2TS 4620 (0x120C) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 523.81 1,848,596 10,587 28
00040.M2TS 4621 (0x120D) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 523.81 1,445,584 8,293 22
00040.M2TS 4622 (0x120E) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 523.81 1,353,213 7,782 21
00040.M2TS 4623 (0x120F) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 523.81 1,539,669 8,810 24
00040.M2TS 4624 (0x1210) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 523.81 57,028 373 1
00040.M2TS 4625 (0x1211) 0x90 PGS eng English 523.81 181 7 0
00042.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0xEA VC-1 783.74 2,105,875,252 11,456,340 21,496
00042.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 AC3 eng English 783.74 62,699,520 367,380 640
00042.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x83 TrueHD eng English 783.74 230,557,558 1,830,136 2,353
00042.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 AC3 fra French 783.74 62,699,520 367,380 640
00042.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 AC3 ita Italian 783.74 62,699,520 367,380 640
00042.M2TS 4356 (0x1104) 0x81 AC3 jpn Japanese 783.74 62,699,520 367,380 640
00042.M2TS 4357 (0x1105) 0x83 TrueHD jpn Japanese 783.74 229,943,490 1,820,963 2,347
00042.M2TS 4358 (0x1106) 0x81 AC3 spa Spanish 783.74 62,699,520 367,380 640
00042.M2TS 4359 (0x1107) 0x81 AC3 por Portuguese 783.74 62,699,520 367,380 640
00042.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 PGS eng English 783.74 2,268,639 13,201 23
00042.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 PGS fra French 783.74 1,558,994 9,075 16
00042.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 783.74 1,771,347 10,292 18
00042.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 783.74 2,541,031 14,744 26
00042.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 783.74 1,375,674 7,985 14
00042.M2TS 4613 (0x1205) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 783.74 1,624,653 9,488 17
00042.M2TS 4614 (0x1206) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 783.74 1,704,478 9,928 17
00042.M2TS 4615 (0x1207) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 783.74 1,424,133 8,503 15
00042.M2TS 4616 (0x1208) 0x90 PGS eng English 783.74 1,450,965 8,594 15
00042.M2TS 4617 (0x1209) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 783.74 1,424,133 8,503 15
00042.M2TS 4618 (0x120A) 0x90 PGS fra French 783.74 1,110,998 6,570 11
00042.M2TS 4619 (0x120B) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 783.74 1,282,595 7,557 13
00042.M2TS 4620 (0x120C) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 783.74 1,740,225 10,206 18
00042.M2TS 4621 (0x120D) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 783.74 1,161,296 6,888 12
00042.M2TS 4622 (0x120E) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 783.74 1,227,246 7,254 13
00042.M2TS 4623 (0x120F) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 783.74 1,285,329 7,571 13
00042.M2TS 4624 (0x1210) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 783.74 17,700 103 0
00042.M2TS 4625 (0x1211) 0x90 PGS eng English 783.74 181 7 0
00044.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0xEA VC-1 590.63 1,852,029,561 10,073,955 25,085
00044.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 AC3 eng English 590.63 47,252,480 276,870 640
00044.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x83 TrueHD eng English 590.63 165,863,818 1,245,154 2,247
00044.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 AC3 fra French 590.63 47,252,480 276,870 640
00044.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 AC3 ita Italian 590.63 47,252,480 276,870 640
00044.M2TS 4356 (0x1104) 0x81 AC3 jpn Japanese 590.63 47,252,480 276,870 640
00044.M2TS 4357 (0x1105) 0x83 TrueHD jpn Japanese 590.63 169,663,308 1,309,578 2,298
00044.M2TS 4358 (0x1106) 0x81 AC3 spa Spanish 590.63 47,252,480 276,870 640
00044.M2TS 4359 (0x1107) 0x81 AC3 por Portuguese 590.63 47,252,480 276,870 640
00044.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 PGS eng English 590.63 2,058,692 11,816 28
00044.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 PGS fra French 590.63 2,160,515 12,372 29
00044.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 590.63 2,217,535 12,694 30
00044.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 590.63 2,420,024 13,864 33
00044.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 590.63 1,737,348 9,884 24
00044.M2TS 4613 (0x1205) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 590.63 1,981,093 11,412 27
00044.M2TS 4614 (0x1206) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 590.63 2,077,144 11,918 28
00044.M2TS 4615 (0x1207) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 590.63 1,778,255 10,331 24
00044.M2TS 4616 (0x1208) 0x90 PGS eng English 590.63 1,571,218 9,076 21
00044.M2TS 4617 (0x1209) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 590.63 1,778,255 10,331 24
00044.M2TS 4618 (0x120A) 0x90 PGS fra French 590.63 1,811,879 10,386 25
00044.M2TS 4619 (0x120B) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 590.63 1,773,024 10,166 24
00044.M2TS 4620 (0x120C) 0x90 PGS ita Italian 590.63 1,946,221 11,183 26
00044.M2TS 4621 (0x120D) 0x90 PGS nld Dutch 590.63 1,658,621 9,516 22
00044.M2TS 4622 (0x120E) 0x90 PGS spa Spanish 590.63 1,888,667 10,806 26
00044.M2TS 4623 (0x120F) 0x90 PGS por Portuguese 590.63 1,764,459 10,127 24
00044.M2TS 4624 (0x1210) 0x90 PGS jpn Japanese 590.63 221,478 1,332 3
00044.M2TS 4625 (0x1211) 0x90 PGS eng English 590.63 181 7 0
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Thanks House.

Damn it looks good! Definitely going to have to get the UK release; the Matrix can wait until Warner wises up regarding the ported encodes.

There is some aliasing along the lines in World Record and Program, and before people start drawing incorrect conclusions I just wanted to say that this is from the drawing/rendering software, and is not upscale-related.

Ooooh, pretty. Thanks, House!

:)

Shots for Animatrix, as mentioned the other movies are just the ported encodes, plenty of shots of those already.

Hmmm... can someone please post a link to these shots?

I searched but there's so many threads about audio sync, buying the first separately, XBL codes, etc that I can't find any good screenshots.

Thanks!

And you know that how, exactly?
Are kids failing reading comprehension these days? I said we only think it's great because we haven't had an opportunity to see it look any better. The important word there is "opportunity". Because Warner recycled their HD DVD encode rather than go back and give us something that actually utilizes the full potential Blu-ray has to offer (higher max video bitrate, more capacity for a higher average bitrate, etc).

What follows is pure opinion backed up only by my personal experience with Warner titles:

But then I've always had a problem with recycled Warner releases. They're usually soft or lack significant detail, and I suspect these Matrix movies will end up being more of the same. Meanwhile other studios, notably Paramount and even Universal (the latter with mixed results, due to unfortunate tampering it seems) seem to care enough about their product and the people buying it to invest in new encodes specifically for Blu-ray.

This is, afterall, the same studio intent on using lossy audio codecs despite the rest of the industry standardizing on either Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD MA (see Speed Racer, etc). I only fear what they'll do to The Lord of the Rings...

But then I've always had a problem with recycled Warner releases. They're usually soft or lack significant detail, and I suspect these Matrix movies will end up being more of the same.
I don't like Warner as much as the next guy.:confused:

But I'm willing to bet you're totally wrong about the Matrix BD set. The only thing that probably looks better than the HD-DVDs are the masters. If it's an exact copy of the HD-DVD version I won't be disappointed.

And now the best sounding movies on Home Media are unleashed on BD.:D Suck it Star Wars, you too War of the Worlds with your freakish LFE(without that you got nothing.;))

Can't wait to decode the TrueHD with Dolby's preferred machine, the PS3.:cool: The only scenes you need are in the lobby and on the highway. Hells yeah.

Members who think Warner's decision to include the special features on 3 SD DVDs in the packaging should first use a bit of common sense as eliminating these SD DVDs would have definitely resulted in lower cost of the final product.

The Matrix - 10.17 GB space left (39,83 GB)
Matrix Reloaded - 10.26 GB space left (39,74 GB)
Matrix Revolutions - 13.68 GB space left (36,42 GB)
The Animatrix - 10.78 GB space left (39.22 GB)

Total amount of space left - 44 GB approx [One BD-50 would have been sufficient to feature all the bonus materials like Paramount did for Godfather].

Members who think Warner's decision to include the special features on 3 SD DVDs in the packaging should first use a bit of common sense as eliminating these SD DVDs would have definitely resulted in lower cost of the final product.

Hard to say if it results in lower price.

Companys usually sets the price with what they think they can get away with, not only as an effect of production costs.

I actually liked that they used SD DVD for the doc on Blade runner, so I didnt have to watch the doc in my hometheater.

Also since the 3 DVD are just port from the HD DVD, they save some authoring costs.

To everyone who has it already, please stop teasing us and post some screens! I can't wait to see The Matrix and The Animatrix in 1080p!!

And Warner Home Video, just ship it already!!

Mine was shipped today from wherehouse.com

I was thinking about cancelling when I noticed Animatrix is coming out on a standalone blu-ray overseas. I even pre-ordered one from base.com. I've got until Nov. 17 to cancel it though.

Are kids failing reading comprehension these days? I said we only think it's great because we haven't had an opportunity to see it look any better. The important word there is "opportunity". Because Warner recycled their HD DVD encode rather than go back and give us something that actually utilizes the full potential Blu-ray has to offer (higher max video bitrate, more capacity for a higher average bitrate, etc).



This is from DVDbeaver's review...

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare10/the_matrix_.htm

"The feature takes up 27.7 Gig of the dual-layered disc. This exceeds The Complete Matrix HD Trilogy that came out in May 2007 as the limit of that format was 25 Gig per disc - so this is a new encode..."

This is from DVDbeaver's review...

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare10/the_matrix_.htm

"The feature takes up 27.7 Gig of the dual-layered disc. This exceeds The Complete Matrix HD Trilogy that came out in May 2007 as the limit of that format was 25 Gig per disc - so this is a new encode..."

It's a new encode at a lower bit rate with more dubs.;)

Warner wanted to suck the money out of the fans by adding 3 more SD DVDs to the package and jacking up the price. They should have used the free space on the 4 BD-50s to accommodate the bonus materials.

Well, Warner doesn't exactly do things that make sense when it comes to Blu-ray.

It's a new encode at a lower bit rate with more dubs.;)

Warner wanted to suck the money out of the fans by adding 3 more SD DVDs to the package and jacking up the price. They should have used the free space on the 4 BD-50s to accommodate the bonus materials.

This set has an absolutely amazing amount of special features, and can be had at the very reasonable price of $70 direct from Warner and $90 from most other retailers. That's the amount that Fox charges for 3 bare-bone movies, and here we're instead getting 4 feature-length movies plus more extras than most will ever be able to watch. Warner has made plenty of mistakes, but I'm certainly not going to call them out on using a few DVDs for standard def content when this set and the value it represents is simply fantastic.

This set has an absolutely amazing amount of special features, and can be had at the very reasonable price of $70 direct from Warner and $90 from most other retailers. That's the amount that Fox charges for 3 bare-bone movies, and here we're instead getting 4 feature-length movies plus more extras than most will ever be able to watch. Warner has made plenty of mistakes, but I'm certainly not going to call them out on using a few DVDs for standard def content when this set and the value it represents is simply fantastic.

Yes. The set indeed contains a plethora of special features but these should have been fit into the 4 BD-50s, each of which has more than a DVD-9 space left. This could have definitely brought down the price of the set to around $60~$65 similar to Godfather.

I'm keeping my HD DVD set. They look phenominal, and they were half the price.

On a side note, I wish they would have picked someone else to play Trinity. I just had to get that out.

Yes. The set indeed contains a plethora of special features but these should have been fit into the 4 BD-50s, each of which has more than a DVD-9 space left. This could have definitely brought down the price of the set to around $60~$65 similar to Godfather.
How much does it cost to replicate a BD 50? Like $1.50 and the price for a DVD has to be around $0.10 now right? Maybe less for a company as big as Warner.

And they don't have to go back and re-author. Plus some of these might have just been sitting around from the old Ultimate Editions.

But you know what would be nice. 5 frakking blue cases Warner, you numbskulls. A black case??? Really? That would be the only real advantage.

BTW - The MSRP of TGFT is $125 Matrix box is $129
Godfather has been heavily discounted
And TGFT was a brand new remaster that went through a very careful restoration. Matrix is recycled except for Animatrix. It should cost less anyway. So would one BD really lead to a $15 discount?:confused: Come on.:p
I'm keeping my HD DVD set. They look phenominal, and they were half the price.

On a side note, I wish they would have picked someone else to play Trinity. I just had to get that out.
My set was only $20, I got more for getting rid of it, animatrix is too cool anyway. And who else would play Trinity? You need a strong female lead for that one and Carrie Ann Moss fit the character perfectly.

How much does it cost to replicate a BD 50? Like $1.50 and the price for a DVD has to be around $0.10 now right? Maybe less for a company as big as Warner.

And they don't have to go back and re-author. Plus some of these might have just been sitting around from the old Ultimate Editions.

Warner need not include a new BD-50 to press the special features. They could have simply put them in the 4 BD-50s used for the trilogy + animatrix as each BD-50 still has more than 10+ GB of free space.

I get your point. But the pop up menu from the HD-DVD was already packed to the brim. I don't know how they would have implemented them without making them a total pain.

It doesn't help that they don't have a main menu either. Because you know, those are for suckers.;)

But you know that they aren't a full 50GB right?
This is not smackdown material, but if it isn't put here, the people who need to read it won't read it.

DVD Forum approves 'bigger than Blu-ray' HD DVD

After reading this thread, I discovered that there is a ton of misconception about why the actual capacities of optical storage discs are lower than the actual capacities the OS reports. It's important to realize how this stuff actually works. So far, people have proposed
-There's software on the disc
-They can't produce a full BD50 because of poor yield, so they only make it 45 GB
-Historically, optical storage capacities are reported as actual, but BD is an exception

These are all completely and totally wrong.

First, there no "software" on the disc. An optical disc, like any other storage medium, must contain a file system to be readable by any operating system. If there are logs and file system dedicated space on everything, they don't take up GB of space. They take a few MB, max. I'm not intimately familar with the file systems of optical discs (ISO9660), so I can't say for sure if there are file system specific files taking up some space.

Secondly, a BD45 would have different pit widths than a pair of BD25's glued together, and that's not what they do. If you wanted to make a normal BD50 into a BD45, you'd have to not use some of the pits available. That is, you'd be taking a glass, and filling it only part of the way, declaring the top part of the glass unsuitable for containing liquid. It doesn't work that way. You wouldn't produce a disc with 50,000,000,000 bytes and only decide that 45,000,000,000 are good. That would be called a bad disc, and tossed out. If your goal was to make a disc with 50,000,000,000 bytes, you wouldn't accept less. If you could only actually make one with 45,000,000,000 bytes, you wouldn't call it a "50 GB" disc.

Historically, the available capacity on optical storage has NOT been the actual usable space. Ever try to put a full 4.7 GB on a DVD? Couldn't do it, could you?

Here's a lesson in how storage formats report their data. Storage formats--ALL OF THEM--HDDs, DVDs, HD-DVDs, BDs, flash drives, etc. use the SI definiton of KB, MB, GB. That is, 1 KB = 1000 bytes, 1 MB = 1000 KB, 1 GB = 1000 MB. Thus, when an HDD reports that it has 80 GB, they mean it has 80,000,000,000 bytes available on it. Computer OSes don't use that. They use the binary definition for KB et al. 1 KB = 1024 bytes, 1 MB = 1024 KB, 1 GB = 1024 KB. TO prevent this confusion, these are sometimes written as KiB, MiB, etc. ("binary kilobyte"). So, let's do the math

For DVD,
4.7 GB ==> 4.337 GiB
8.5 GB ==> 7.91 GiB

For Blu-ray,
50 GB = 50,000,000,000 bytes. To convert that into the GiB that the computer sees, we divide by 1024^3, and get...46.56 GiB.

For HDDs,
80 GB ==> 74.5 GiB
120 GB ==> 111.75 GiB

For HD-DVD,
30 GB ==> 27.93 GiB
51 GB ==> 47.49 GiB

They've reported pretty much every storage format using the SI meanings for over 10 years now, so there's no reason to expect a change now. The only exceptions to this reporting scheme I know of are the first Western Digital Raptor drives, which came in 36 GB and 74 GB (note that the new 150GB Raptor uses the 1 GB = 1000 MB), and enterprise SCSI drives. I don't know why they put actual capacities on those products. I'm guessing it has something to do with marketing, feeling 80 GB sounds better than 74 GB, for mass market products. For server products, the capacity marketing is less important, since users of those products are concerned with available storage space and things like reliablity, etc. You sell the masses on numbers, technical experts on real features.

Generally, if you see a capacity reported as a "nice number," like a multiple of 5 (25, 50, 100, 500, etc.), it's going to be the "not actual" capacity. If you see something strange, like 74 GB, 36 GB etc, then it's probably actual.
This is pretty informative I found it at HDD.

They probably save that extra space as a buffer in case something happens or just to be on the safe size that it all fits. I don't think Warner is doing anything funny here. So yeah they might be using 40GB of space, but maybe that extra 5GB is a safety net or it just wasn't worth it to try to use it more efficiently(which would have probably been a real headache for the engineers).

John Mayer: Where the Light Is - 48,28 GB
Close Encounters of the Third Kind - 49,68 GB
Mad Men: Season One - 49,97 GB
Shine a Light - 49,53 GB
Shoot 'Em Up - 49,92 GB

All the above titles have utilized 10 GB more space than the Matrix which clearly indicates that the DVD special features could have easily been accommodated in each BD-50. The special features can be listed page wise in the extras menu to avoid them from looking cluttered.

Please note that the Matrix discs are a single global press like Warner's recent offerings as they include all important dubs and subtitles.

For how much longer are the second two films going to hold the first film hostage? Warner must know that a lot of people simply wouldn't buy the second two films on their own, if they had the option to buy the first by itself. For god's sake, the original Matrix hasn't seen a standalone release in, what, eight years?

Are kids failing reading comprehension these days? I said we only think it's great because we haven't had an opportunity to see it look any better. The important word there is "opportunity". Because Warner recycled their HD DVD encode rather than go back and give us something that actually utilizes the full potential Blu-ray has to offer (higher max video bitrate, more capacity for a higher average bitrate, etc).

What follows is pure opinion backed up only by my personal experience with Warner titles:

But then I've always had a problem with recycled Warner releases. They're usually soft or lack significant detail, and I suspect these Matrix movies will end up being more of the same. Meanwhile other studios, notably Paramount and even Universal (the latter with mixed results, due to unfortunate tampering it seems) seem to care enough about their product and the people buying it to invest in new encodes specifically for Blu-ray.

This is, afterall, the same studio intent on using lossy audio codecs despite the rest of the industry standardizing on either Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD MA (see Speed Racer, etc). I only fear what they'll do to The Lord of the Rings...

:rolleyes: Obviously you never seen the HD DVD's, why don't you wait and see the actual product before you going further with your "global warming" theory!

after watching the matrix trilogy on blu yesterday I must say i'm very disappointed. the bitrates constantly hovered in the single digits. flat and lack of detail throughout. bitrates aren't worth a whole lot in some transfers but when they are as low as they were during these movies, the PQ is suffering because of it. Warner should've took advantage of what blu-ray offers. these movies should've looked alot better imo. the truehd tracks however were very good. I was impressed with them. at least universal re-encoded all their blu-ray releases.

after watching the matrix trilogy on blu yesterday I must say i'm very disappointed. the bitrates constantly hovered in the single digits. flat and lack of detail throughout. bitrates aren't worth a whole lot in some transfers but when they are as low as they were during these movies, the PQ is suffering because of it. Warner should've took advantage of what blu-ray offers. these movies should've looked alot better imo. the truehd tracks however were very good. I was impressed with them. at least universal re-encoded all their blu-ray releases.

You know that the look of matrix is a creative descisions and not a technical limitation of bitrate?

Movies looks a certain way because alot of factors.

lens, lights, filmstocks, postprocessing etc etc.

How do you know it would have looked better? Because (not taking the new colortiming into account) its very true to the theatrical version I saw.

after watching the matrix trilogy on blu yesterday I must say i'm very disappointed. the bitrates constantly hovered in the single digits. flat and lack of detail throughout. bitrates aren't worth a whole lot in some transfers but when they are as low as they were during these movies, the PQ is suffering because of it. Warner should've took advantage of what blu-ray offers. these movies should've looked alot better imo. the truehd tracks however were very good. I was impressed with them. at least universal re-encoded all their blu-ray releases.

1- what are you using to view the films

2- i have never disagreed more with another person than right now

1- what are you using to view the films



Just about to ask the same question, I have the HD DVD version and that looks superb. BD will be exactly the same.

1- what are you using to view the films

2- i have never disagreed more with another person than right now

Just about to ask the same question, I have the HD DVD version and that looks superb. BD will be exactly the same.

The reason it looks good to you (and pretty much every reviewer) is because you are not watching with a bitrate meter. It is the best and only way to judge a film picture quality.

Bitrate goes down, picture quality is bad. Bitrate goes up, picture quality is good. Why trust your eyes when bitrate are more accurate.

:rolleyes:;)

John Mayer: Where the Light Is - 48,28 GB
Close Encounters of the Third Kind - 49,68 GB
Mad Men: Season One - 49,97 GB
Shine a Light - 49,53 GB
Shoot 'Em Up - 49,92 GB

All the above titles have utilized 10 GB more space than the Matrix which clearly indicates that the DVD special features could have easily been accommodated in each BD-50. The special features can be listed page wise in the extras menu to avoid them from looking cluttered.

Please note that the Matrix discs are a single global press like Warner's recent offerings as they include all important dubs and subtitles.
Don't Dual layers come in different sizes?BD provides large
recording capacities such as 46.6/50/54 GB (23.3/25/27 GB per layer)From the White Paper, well the one I could find http://www.blurayjukebox.com/pdfs/general_bluraydiscformat-12834.pdf
It's from 2004:( but I'm pretty sure the mechanics are the same. Can't find a better one.

It's possible that Warner uses different Dual Layers to cut down costs and then calls them BD50 for simplicities sake. That would kind of add up since both the Matrix and Reloaded seem to capped at about 40GB, at least according the the specs thread. Does anyone know how much data the Warner BDs can physically hold at max?

Is there a review of UK version BLURAY? and if it is REGION FREE?

I am seriously jonesing for this release. I must have checked WHV's my express checkout site like 50 times in the past week. Why don't they just ship it!?:eek:

I guess I'll just have to triple dip and get them on BD... and have my own eyes be judge & jury:

HD DVD on XA2 vs BD on 51FD.

Sunday cannot come soon enough:)

The reason it looks good to you (and pretty much every reviewer) is because you are not watching with a bitrate meter. It is the best and only way to judge a film picture quality.

Bitrate goes down, picture quality is bad. Bitrate goes up, picture quality is good. Why trust your eyes when bitrate are more accurate.

:rolleyes:;)

ROTFLMAO! I guess nobody else caught your sarcasm.....it does seem that way though. "OH NO! This looked good until I hit the info button and saw the bitrate!" lol.

ROTFLMAO! I guess nobody else caught your sarcasm.....it does seem that way though. "OH NO! This looked good until I hit the info button and saw the bitrate!" lol.

Exactly!!!

As nice as it is to be dismissive of the discussion revolving around bitrate, the fact remains: where we have two titles encoded with the same codec but with differing bitrates we can usually pick out additional details in the higher bitrate encode.

Unless someone is now disputing this singular truth, I don't see how the "oh it's good enough" crowd really has any legs to stand on when they go on with their anti-bitrate rants.

Xylon, please come and settle this. The first film shoud suffice...

:)

As nice as it is to be dismissive of the discussion revolving around bitrate, the fact remains: where we have two titles encoded with the same codec but with differing bitrates we can usually pick out additional details in the higher bitrate encode.

Yes when we pause and zoom in the screencap, we can sometimes notice a slight difference.

But since its impossible to detect these differences during playback.

Statements like, the image quality clealry suffered from the low bitrate, will not be taken serious by most members here. Unless you clearly can see the difference during playback.

Even less considering that most of a movies look, has nothing to do with the encoding in the first place.

Its not like that you only need to have 35mm cam, 4K scan and the footage will look fantastic.

Even less considering that most of a movies look, has nothing to do with the encoding in the first place.

Photography skillz > encode/codec.

I'm putting my money on the BDs looking as good as the HD-DVDs. Furthermore, looking better than most BDs.

Anyway it looks like Warner is getting better about bitrates Mongol probably averages about 20Mbps(makes a difference when you check a larger sample:o). And I checked out pieces of Band of Brothers I don't think that will drop below 30Mbps. They both have incredible detail and mad photography.;)

Bitrate meters are what are used by insecure people to justify Blu-ray's superiority over HD DVD, regardless of any other factor. I have seen astonishing Blu-ray releases with low bitrates, and average looking Blu-ray releases with high bitrates.

Blu-ray has won. HD DVD is dead. Isn't that enough? Why can't you just let the silly bitrate issue drop and enjoy the movies? They looked great on HD DVD, and they look great on Blu-ray.

What the hell more do you want? You want to see more detail in Carrie-Anne Moss's facial fuzz like you see in her close up in the opening scene of the first movie?

As nice as it is to be dismissive of the discussion revolving around bitrate, the fact remains: where we have two titles encoded with the same codec but with differing bitrates we can usually pick out additional details in the higher bitrate encode.

Unless someone is now disputing this singular truth, I don't see how the "oh it's good enough" crowd really has any legs to stand on when they go on with their anti-bitrate rants.

I think the discrepancy is due to the inclusion of IME track's AVBR in the bit rate calculation. But 13~16 Mbps for such demanding films is still way too low.

If memory serves me right, I think quite a number of members expressed disappointment with the macroblocking in Revolutions.

To me, the issue with this UMC package is the usage of 3 additional SD DVDs when each BD-50 disc is still left with 10+ GB of space.

All i really want is the first three films in high definition ( with NO macroblocking ) and a high definition version of The Animatrix....I don't care much for the extras. I have the ten disc DVD release which i am currently flogging on Ebay....

I wonder if there is a separate release coming as i know the UK will be selling the first three films and The Animatrix separate outside of a boxed set but i would rather buy the U.S. ones due to silly UK pricing structures.

If memory serves me right, I think quite a number of members expressed disappointment with the macroblocking in Revolutions.

Did they notice the macroblocks during playback or during upzoomed screencaps?

with the macroblocking in Revolutions.

If there is left over disk space there will be absolutely no excuse for that. Especially on a "premium" big buck multi disk release like this.

Title: The Matrix
Movie size: 28,44 GB
Disc size: 39,83 GB (10.17 GB space left)
Average video bit rate: 16.44 Mbps

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Title: The Matrix Reloaded
Movie size: 26,00 GB
Disc size: 39,74 GB (10.26 GB space left)
Average video bit rate: 13.89 Mbps

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Title: The Matrix Revolutions
Movie size: 24,26 GB
Disc size: 36,42 GB (13.58 GB space left)
Average video bit rate: 13.88 Mbps

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Title: Constantine
Movie size: 21,23 GB
Disc size: 28,85 GB [21.15 GB space left]
Average video bit rate: 11.88 Mbps

I said we only think it's great because we haven't had an opportunity to see it look any better.

Maybe we think it looks great because we've actually seen the discs and have determined that they look great. Unlike some people, who have not seen the discs and yet feel the need to declare that their quality is insufficient.

This is, afterall, the same studio intent on using lossy audio codecs despite the rest of the industry standardizing on either Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD MA

The Matrix movies have Dolby TrueHD audio.

As nice as it is to be dismissive of the discussion revolving around bitrate, the fact remains: where we have two titles encoded with the same codec but with differing bitrates we can usually pick out additional details in the higher bitrate encode.

You mean like with the Blu-ray release of 'The Thing', which has a higher bit-rate re-encoding and noticeably less detail than the HD DVD?

The bit rate is just a number. It tells you nothing about the quality of the transfer or the compression. If you bothered to actually watch the movie rather than the bit rate meter, you might have a better sense of when things actually look good or not.

Maybe we think it looks great because we've actually seen the discs and have determined that they look great. Unlike some people, who have not seen the discs and yet feel the need to declare that their quality is insufficient.



The Matrix movies have Dolby TrueHD audio.



You mean like with the Blu-ray release of 'The Thing', which has a higher bit-rate re-encoding and noticeably less detail than the HD DVD?

The bit rate is just a number. It tells you nothing about the quality of the transfer or the compression. If you bothered to actually watch the movie rather than the bit rate meter, you might have a better sense of when things actually look good or not.

Well said, thank you. :)

The bit rate is just a number. It tells you nothing about the quality of the transfer or the compression.
The bit rate has no influence on the quality of the transfer but most certainly it is related to the quality of the compression. The bit rate sets an upper limit of achievable compression quality. How close the compression quality comes to that limit depends on the quality of the encoder and operator. How close visually that limit is to the uncompressed master (or losslessly compressed) depends on the actual material compressed. When talking to compressionists they tell you that VC-1 and AVC get very close to the look of the 1080p master in the range of 20-25 Mbit/s (with higher spikes as required). So if Warner compresses at an average of 13 Mbit/s they leave undoubtedly some quality on the table unless the master does not have 1080p detail to begin with. The Matrix trilogy is not hyperclean animation. What they leave on the table may not make a big difference, but a difference nonetheless. If there is blocking in some shots then the compression is obviously not as good as it should be. But blocking is only the most obvious compression problem. What else is missing is usually more subtle. It's noise, coarseness and softness that is not so obvious when the master is not available for comparison.
High bit rate does not mean superior picture and low does not mean bad picture, but the general correlation between bit rate and accuracy is given by information theory and there is no escaping it.

When talking to compressionists they tell you that VC-1 and AVC get very close to the look of the 1080p master in the range of 20-25 Mbit/s (with higher spikes as required).

That number seems a bit high?

Usually if you can find what peak a encoding needs, its easier to guess what the avarage bitrate needs to be.

Since its rare that the avarage bitrate needs to be anywere near the peaks.


Also you save some bits that 2,35:1 movies isnt using as much screenarea as 1,77:1 movies.


And remember the peakbitrate of BD was never selected by the basis of what AVC and VC1 needs.

I know bitrates can be overrated but the truth is when a bitrate is very low, like single digits, it can have an effect on PQ. I've seen discs where the bitrates are very high but the PQ is still average. I actually put on sony's underworld last night after watching the matrix movies. for comparison since both were shot visually the same. the transfer for underworld, which is excellent, suprassed the matrix movies in blacks, fine detail, and 3D pop. I saw compression issues. SQ was almost a wash, I had to volume match since truedhd tracks are softer than dts ma and pcm tracks. I hate volume matching, I like the volume in a general area. hence, I gave that advantage to underworld. matrix trilogy was good but I place it along the same tier as batman begins, too soft.

I actually put on sony's underworld last night after watching the matrix movies. for comparison since both were shot visually the same. the transfer for underworld, which is excellent, suprassed the matrix movies in blacks, fine detail, and 3D pop. I saw compression issues. SQ was almost a wash, I had to volume match since truedhd tracks are softer than dts ma and pcm tracks. I hate volume matching, I like the volume in a general area. hence, I gave that advantage to underworld. matrix trilogy was good but I place it along the same tier as batman begins, too soft.

Perhaps shot with a similar visual style and both in Super 35 but The Matrix used different camera systems from Panavision while Underworld used Arriflex camera's....Thus i don't actually think you can compare image quality between the two films. The film was also developed at different laboratories which can also change things....Thus no comparisons can really be drawn that way.

matrix trilogy was good but I place it along the same tier as batman begins, too soft.

There is a huge difference with BB, Underworld and the Matrix.

You cant really compare different movies.

Different filmstocks will have a bigger impact then the bitrate.

Different lenses will have bigger impact then the bitrate.

Different lighting will have bigger impact then the bitrate.

If you gonna look on the bitrate variable, you must have the same source, same codec, same compressionist, same version of the encoder.

Then you can see the difference bitrate will have.

It's always interesting to hear people call a movie, "too soft" when there is no evidence to show that the theatrical version, the way it was shot was ever intended to be anything different.

Now obviously, there are some discs that have a PQ that is a poor representation of what the movie should look like. But, I've seen nothing like this on The Matrix or have any reason to believe this is an unfaithful transfer of the movie.

And as far as different bit rates are concerned, I've yet to see an instance where one disc had a noticeable difference when you watch it like a normal human being (IE, not blowing it up 200-300% and staring at it like an chicken hawk)

There is a huge difference with BB, Underworld and the Matrix.

You cant really compare different movies.

Different filmstocks will have a bigger impact then the bitrate.

Different lenses will have bigger impact then the bitrate.

Different lighting will have bigger impact then the bitrate.

If you gonna look on the bitrate variable, you must have the same source, same codec, same compressionist, same version of the encoder.

Then you can see the difference bitrate will have.

That's why I compare underworld to matrix. close to identical lighting and is close to being matrix-eque type film you can get. who is to say if bitrate on the matrix would matter if peaked since warner only did one encode of it. I did notice compression issues. Why do people always defend warner when they obviously don't put the same effort into their discs that all other studios, even lionsgate, does. All I'm saying is warner can make these better. what's next, people sticking up for the horrid transfer of interview with the vampire. I hope they put more attention to the blade movies than they did with the matrix. it really is too bad that new line tanked, dts ma for the bloodbath scene would easily be demo worthy.

The luddites on here are amazing, really. I'm sorry you're unable to tell that a low bitrate (in the teens on average!) generally leads to a sacrifice in PQ (macroblocking, softness, overcompression, and so on). I think for something that has an MSRP of $140 we should be getting the absolute best product available, not hand me down encodes from the HD DVD version (which were tailored with their max video bitrate in mind and their lower capacity in mind). It's a disservice for consumers.

The luddites on here are amazing, really. I'm sorry you're unable to tell that a low bitrate (in the teens on average!) generally leads to a sacrifice in PQ (macroblocking, softness, overcompression, and so on). I think for something that has an MSRP of $140 we should be getting the absolute best product available, not hand me down encodes from the HD DVD version (which were tailored with their max video bitrate in mind and their lower capacity in mind). It's a disservice for consumers.

Well, I'm sorry your letting practically meaningless numbers (in this case) cloud and destroy your ability to enjoy what is a very nice set.

I've not noticed any macroblocking, or compression issues when I watched it (or saw many other reviews or owners mention them). So, I can only assume the bitrate is appropriate for the material. Had, I witnessed such issues, I would agree with you.

And do you have any proof that this should be sharper? Because I don't remember it being any sharper in theaters when I saw it.

That's why I compare underworld to matrix. close to identical lighting and is close to being matrix-eque type film you can get.


Not really, Matrix has a very gritty look to it. Were underworld has a more sterile look, just because both do colorizing, doesnt make them equal in any way.


who is to say if bitrate on the matrix would matter if peaked since warner only did one encode of it.


Yes, there is only one HD master encode of the movie, but its very close to the theatrical version. Would be really funny if Warner managed to spend this money on a remaster and the only encode they did didnt match the look of the new master.


I did notice compression issues. Why do people always defend warner when they obviously don't put the same effort into their discs that all other studios, even lionsgate, does.


What scene did you notice the compression issues? What were the compression issues?


All I'm saying is warner can make these better. what's next, people sticking up for the horrid transfer of interview with the vampire. I hope they put more attention to the blade movies than they did with the matrix. it really is too bad that new line tanked, dts ma for the bloodbath scene would easily be demo worthy.

Warner is the studio that does among the best remasters of movies. Sometimes there is a limit in what you can work with. Not every movie was shoot equal. Havnt seen interview with the vampire in theaters so I dont know how good it can look.

However I did see Matrix, and the transfer for this movie is great.

The bit rate is just a number. It tells you nothing about the quality of the transfer or the compression.

Sorry but that statement is just plain wrong. So the only difference between a 320kbps and a 128kbps MP3 is those numbers? Bitrate is a measurement of compression. The higher the number the lower the compression, the lower the number the higher the compression. I'm not saying that a higher bitrate automatically equates to better picture quality as there's many, many factors and variables that also have an affect on the actual final image. But higher bitrate does undisputedly equate to less compression.

As for The Matirx films, I've not seen the HD-DVD's or the Blu-Rays yet. But given that more compression and thus a lower bitrate is best applied to scenes of less activity (still shots, darkness), and considering the types of films The Matrix's are, sub 15kbps average bitrates seem insufficient and indicate to me the transfers aren't the best possible representation of the films at 1080p resolution.

Also you save some bits that 2,35:1 movies isnt using as much screenarea as 1,77:1 movies.

The number is for full 16:9 1080p content. 2.35:1 would be less.

And do you have any proof that this should be sharper? Because I don't remember it being any sharper in theaters when I saw it.
I saw Matrix 2 and 3 in IMAX from 4K masters. Definitely much sharper than the 1080p HD versions. The source has more detail than the 1080p masters and the 2K masters they come from. Does the 2K have more detail than the compressed 1080p? Certainly. How much I can only speculate without access to the 2K and the 1080p master.

This collection comes free with the Samsung BD player 1500, best price @ the big river. got one...expires in a week...

I sure hope Amazon matches the nice Best Buy price of $75 on this set.

I sure hope Amazon matches the nice Best Buy price of $75 on this set.

Why not just cancel the amazon order, or is it too late?

Man, the PS3 crowd will bitch about ANYTHING. Now that HD DVD isn't there to fight, they need a new fight, now it's any release that doesn't fill a BD50 or peak the bitrate meter.

Doesn't matter that the film looks as good as it can at it's resolution, if it isn't doing it inefficiently enough to make the file size large, and peg my bit meter, it must not LOOK good. What is scientific about that?

Hi. Anyone who have the Matrix Trilogy on Blu-Ray could tell me if the discs have the same audio tracks that appers in the back cover of the boxset.

I´m looking if they have German and Castillian Spanish audio tracks but they didnt put in the box set.

Thank you.

Why not just cancel the amazon order, or is it too late?

Well I got it in the Buy 2 Get 1 Free sale so I can't really cancel it. I'm just hoping it becomes even cheaper. I'm in Canada anyway and the Best Buy sale is only in the US.

Man, the PS3 crowd will bitch about ANYTHING. Now that HD DVD isn't there to fight, they need a new fight, now it's any release that doesn't fill a BD50 or peak the bitrate meter.

Doesn't matter that the film looks as good as it can at it's resolution, if it isn't doing it inefficiently enough to make the file size large, and peg my bit meter, it must not LOOK good. What is scientific about that?
What's more scientific here:

"Oh, it looks purty!"

-or-

"Boy, those sure are awful low bitrates for a movie with this kind of fast action and detail!"

As someone said better just above, yes bitrates are not the be-all / end-all discussion of PQ. But if the bitrates are lower than normal (averages in the 20+ mbps area, peaks of 40+ mbps) it's kind of a given that it's not as good as it could be.

Anyways, yay for the Best Buy circular this morning and the $75 price tag there. Already canceled my Amazon order.

Why not just cancel the amazon order, or is it too late?

I cancelled mine last night. With no post price protection any more and loosing price superiority to Worst Buy, something bad is going on over at Amazon. We are not talking about 2 or 3 bucks here. We are talking 15 bucks.Thats a huge difference. They are an internet company which means that they have to win on price every single time and have ok customer service at least. They used to have great customer service and now that is in decline too.

Time to stop tightening the belt Amazon. Too many Star Systems err customers are slipping through your fingers.

As someone said better just above, yes bitrates are not the be-all / end-all discussion of PQ. But if the bitrates are lower than normal (averages in the 20+ mbps area, peaks of 40+ mbps) it's kind of a given that it's not as good as it could be.

Whats normal?

If you have a 2,35:1 movie that peaks with 40mbs a 16:9 movie will need over 50mbs in peaks.

The peakbitrate with BD has nothing to do with either AVC or VC1 codecs.

It was just a side effect of that they have more information stored on a single layer.

It wasnt even aimed to have modern videocodecs in the beginning.

Sorry but that statement is just plain wrong. So the only difference between a 320kbps and a 128kbps MP3 is those numbers? Bitrate is a measurement of compression. The higher the number the lower the compression, the lower the number the higher the compression.

Wow, is that wrong. Bit rate isn't a measurement of compression it is a measurement of ... wait for it ... bit rate. The more important fact that you have completely missed is that mpeg audio compression and mpeg video compression work in entirely different ways.

Mpeg audio compression works by actually dropping parts of the sound spectrum that hopefully won't be missed. Mpeg video compression works by not resending parts that haven't changed. If you stick a video camera pointing at a wall that never moves you can get extremely low bit rates from huge compression with no image issues at all. As soon as you move the wall or the camera the bit rate jumps. That is because the things that are changing are what gets sent.

When you look at the Matrix movies you will see that for the most part the image is on the darker side. The fact that there are large areas of full scale black in many images means there is not much to be sent when some thing in the image does move.

Contrast this to the 2 worst case scenarios. The first being a strobe light in a room that other wise has lots of bright clothing or other background. The entire picture frame changes every time the strobe light goes on or off and it does it at a pretty high frequency. This means that it is almost impossible to compress the data.

The other worst case scenario is a panning shot of a staduim seating area. Every one is wearing some thing different and it is all in motion meaning that when the image shifts say one person to the right if the person to the right isn't wearing the same color of clothing and have the same color of hair that information has to be transmitted. Again allowing for almost no compression.

So the part you have missed is how compressible is the image in the movies.

Not sure if this has been posted, but here is the Digital Bits review:

The Digital Bits - The Ultimate Matrix Collection (REVIEW) (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviewshd/matrixult.html)

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The Ultimate Matrix Collection
1999-2003 (2008) - Warner Bros.
Released on Blu-ray Disc on October 14th, 2008

Film Rating (Matrix): A
Video (1-20): 18
Audio (1-20): 18

Film Rating (Reloaded): C+
Video (1-20): 18.5
Audio (1-20): 18.5

Film Rating (Revolutions): B
Video (1-20): 18.5
Audio (1-20): 18.5

Program Rating (Animatrix): B+
Video (1-20): 19
Audio (1-20): 18.5

Extras (Overall): A

Hey, what do you know? The third time's a charm! Finally, we've got the "ultimate" set of the Matrix films on a format that's TRULY ultimate... at least for the forseeable future.

I won't rehash the film plots and what I think of them again here - I've already done it multiple times over the years, including reviewing the original Ultimate DVD box set release, as well as last year's HD-DVD release of the set. Click on the links and you can read everything you want about the films and what I think of them. What you need to know is 1) does THIS Blu-ray set include everything that was on those previous releases, and 2) what is the quality like on Blu-ray?

The answer to the first question is, yes. This new 6-disc Blu-ray box includes EVERYTHING that was on the original Ultimate DVD box set, as well as EVERYTHING that was on the HD-DVD release, including the new In Movie Experience options for each film. Actually, it includes stuff the HD-DVD set DIDN'T have, including a Digital Copy of The Matrix and also The Animatrix in full 1080p high-definition. In terms of disc configuration, the original DVD had two discs per film - one for the film and one for the film's extras. The HD-DVD used DVD/HD-DVD Combo discs to include the film in high-def and the extras in DVD format on the flip side of the disc. Here, on Blu-ray, all the content of BOTH discs is included on the same side of a single BD-50 disc. The Animatrix films also have their own Blu-ray. The remaining extras were available on three separate DVD discs in the original set as The Burly Man Chronicles, The Roots of the Matrix and The Zion Archive. Those three DVD discs have now been condensed into two DVDs for the Blu-ray set: The Burly Man Chronicles and The Roots of the Matrix are now on opposite sides of a DVD flipper, while The Zion Archive still has its own disc. So if you have either the original DVD box set or the more recent HD-DVD box set, you can safely get rid of them if you buy the new Blu-ray version. I've gone through all three sets disc by disc and item by item, and the Blu-ray does indeed include everything from those.

The one KEY thing you need to know is this: There are a couple of DVD-based features, that were available on the ORIGINAL DVD releases of the films, that weren't included in the Ultimate set on either DVD or HD-DVD, and they're not here either. So if you want to keep EVERY SINGLE BONUS FEATURE that's been released for these films, here's what you need to keep IN ADDITION to the Blu-ray set:

1) The very original DVD release of The Matrix, from 1999, has DVD-ROM based extras available nowhere else on disc, including The One game, the film's script and storyboards, a number of essays and articles and an archive of the original film's website.

2) [UPDATED INFORMATION] The original Matrix Revisited DVD release, from 2001, has a featurette called The True Followers which isn't here. Also missing are a trio of marketing featurettes - What is to Come?, What is Animatrix? and Whatisthematrix.com? (These weren't on the Ultimate DVD or HD-DVD sets either.) There are also a trio of short Easter egg featurettes from this disc - Red Girl Accident, Hugo's Hip and Keanu's Perfectionism and the Smith's Humanity - that don't appear to be on the Blu-ray.

3) Disc Two of the original 2-disc DVD release of The Matrix Reloaded, from 2003, includes a trailer for The Animatrix available nowhere else on disc.

4) Disc Two of the original 2-disc DVD release of The Matrix Revolutions, from 2004, includes a multi-angle presentation of the Super Burly Brawl scene, letting you view either the on-set footage, the storyboards or the final film footage. This feature also contains a number of branching White Rabbit featurettes that ARE included on the Blu-ray, but the root multi-angle feature is not.

The Blu-ray is packaged in a thinner version of the previous glossy slipcase, with the actual discs contained in new Blu-ray versions of the familiar Thinpak case, so the set actually takes up even less room on your shelf than any of the previous sets. The Blu-ray also includes a smaller version of the insert booklet that was available in the previous Ultimate sets, though I should note that it's not entirely accurate in terms of listing all the featurettes included in the Blu-ray set. In particular, several Revolutions features aren't accurately listed, though rest assured they ARE on the disc.

As for that second question, in terms of presentation quality, know that the films all look and sound terrific. Contrast is very good on all three, and there's excellent fine image detail. All three films have that slightly greenish tint that's there deliberately, but the colors are accurate at all times. For films this complex in terms of motion, action and compression challenge, there's surprisingly little digital artifacting visible. I would say that Reloaded and Revolutions look just a hair better than the original Matrix, but it's close. All three discs deliver a very pleasing, film-like image. Audio-wise, all three discs offer an exceptional Dolby TrueHD 5.1 surround mix. Each presents a wide, immersive soundstage, with copious bass, smooth panning and active surrounds. I would say that the mixes for Reloaded and Revolutions are a bit more lively in terms of directional sound play than the original film, so they earn very slightly higher marks. But you will not be disappointed by any of the three. As for The Animatrix, the shorts look absolutely fantastic in HD. The visual experience really lives up to expectations. Audio for the shorts is also available in TrueHD 5.1 mixes that, quality-wise, are on par with those of the latter two films.

So is Warner's new Blu-ray Ultimate box set worth the money? If you're a serious fan of this franchise, then yes, I think it is. The quality is great, the content is just as good as it was before, and finally having The Animatrix films in HD is a pretty attractive enticement all on its own. On the other hand, if you've purchased the previous versions before, this will represent your third dip of this same basic set, so you'll have to decide if it's worth upgrading again for yourself. If you purchased the HD-DVD version, well... you have my sympathies. At least Blu-ray is likely to stick around a while as a format. On the other hand, hey... it's not like your HD-DVD player or discs stopped working when the format died. Whichever version of the set you have or choose, The Ultimate Matrix Collection was (and continues to be) a spectacular release. Enjoy!

Bill Hunt, Editor
billhunt@thedigitalbits.com

So if you want to keep EVERY SINGLE BONUS FEATURE that's been released for these films, here's what you need to keep IN ADDITION to the Blu-ray set:

You'll also need the LaserDisc release, too.

Wow, is that wrong. Bit rate isn't a measurement of compression it is a measurement of ... wait for it ... bit rate. The more important fact that you have completely missed is that mpeg audio compression and mpeg video compression work in entirely different ways.

Thanks for the lecture, but I understand exactly how both audio and video compression works. My MP3 bitrate example wasn't used as a comparison to how video bitrates work, but as an example against the statement that bitrates are just meaningless numbers that signify nothing.

Taken on their own, with out being put into context, they are just meaningless numbers signifying nothing.

I sure hope Amazon matches the nice Best Buy price of $75 on this set.I have a feeling that this BR Matrix collection will be heavily discounted as we get closer to Christmas, as I noticed in two instances it is given away for free with the purchase of a BR player. Also the new 4 disc SD release I see is going for $9.99 at Frys.

What's more scientific here:

"Oh, it looks purty!"

-or-

"Boy, those sure are awful low bitrates for a movie with this kind of fast action and detail!"

How about:

"I haven't seen the disc and have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm going to declare that it looks awful anyway!"

:rolleyes:

How about:

"I haven't seen the disc and have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm going to declare that it looks awful anyway!"

:rolleyes:
Yeah, except I've seen the HD DVD version, and allegedly this uses the exact same encode from that release. :rolleyes:

If you purchased the HD-DVD version, well... you have my sympathies. At least Blu-ray is likely to stick around a while as a format.
Bill Hunt, Editor
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This is why I dislike him. What an unnecessary remark. How about he looks at the handful of Universal BD titles that have added EE/DNR or removed Special Features? Nahh, wouldn't want him to diss BD at all otherwise he won't continue to get his weekly checks.

This is why I dislike him. What an unnecessary remark. How about he looks at the handful of Universal BD titles that have added EE/DNR or removed Special Features? Nahh, wouldn't want him to diss BD at all otherwise he won't continue to get his weekly checks.
What does that have to do with Blu-ray the format? It's the studio that added DNR/EE and removed special features, not the media format.

What does that have to do with Blu-ray the format? It's the studio that added DNR/EE and removed special features, not the media format.

Absolutely nothing, other than a blind bias that is completely unfounded in fact. Just ask Michael Bay, who recently had to check in to the ER to have his foot surgically removed from his mouth after his comments about "Transformers", and how "superior" the picture on Blu would look due to the increased bitrate, which was completely debunked when it showed up...

Alright, so let me ask this question, that I think is a bit more on-topic to the average person:

Is the Blu-ray version worth the upgrade over DVD?

I can understand the bickering about comparisons between HD and BD, but not all of us bought into HD-DVD. This will be the first time I'm seeing the films in high-def since the theatrical release. I assume Xylon will be doing his usual round of comparisons, and I'd like to see the DVD in there, and not just side-by-side comparisons of the identical HD and BD encodes.

Alright, so let me ask this question, that I think is a bit more on-topic to the average person:

Is the Blu-ray version worth the upgrade over DVD?

I can understand the bickering about comparisons between HD and BD, but not all of us bought into HD-DVD. This will be the first time I'm seeing the films in high-def since the theatrical release. I assume Xylon will be doing his usual round of comparisons, and I'd like to see the DVD in there, and not just side-by-side comparisons of the identical HD and BD encodes.

If you really like the movies and have the money, of course. The two aren't even remotely close in terms of quality.

It's like comparing a person of equal personality, except that one looks like Rosie O' Donnell and the other looks like Megan Fox. It would be insane not to ditch the former for the latter. :p

Alright, so let me ask this question, that I think is a bit more on-topic to the average person:

Is the Blu-ray version worth the upgrade over DVD?

I can understand the bickering about comparisons between HD and BD, but not all of us bought into HD-DVD. This will be the first time I'm seeing the films in high-def since the theatrical release. I assume Xylon will be doing his usual round of comparisons, and I'd like to see the DVD in there, and not just side-by-side comparisons of the identical HD and BD encodes.

My question exactly. Also, is there *any* home video release of the first movie that didn't have the "green" tinting" just out of curiosity?

T.B.

Best Buy has The Ultimate Matrix Collection for $74.99: link (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9022693&st=Matrix+blu-ray&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1895869)

I will be heading over to BB on Tuesday morning. :cool:

Edit: Amazon is now matching the BB store price for $74.99.

Also, is there *any* home video release of the first movie that didn't have the "green" tinting" just out of curiosity?
Nope. It was always there, even in the theater. Green tint for Matrix, blue tint for real world, no tint for Construct or any other out-of-Matrix simulation. The only change they made was to fiddle with the tint on the first film a bit to better match the sequels. So subsequent releases of the first film had stronger tinting, but the tinting itself was always there. I actually haven't seen the "tweaked" version of the film at all, I still own the original DVD release.

Alright, so let me ask this question, that I think is a bit more on-topic to the average person:

Is the Blu-ray version worth the upgrade over DVD?

I can understand the bickering about comparisons between HD and BD, but not all of us bought into HD-DVD. This will be the first time I'm seeing the films in high-def since the theatrical release. I assume Xylon will be doing his usual round of comparisons, and I'd like to see the DVD in there, and not just side-by-side comparisons of the identical HD and BD encodes.

Absolutely. I was talking about the supposed "revelation" in PQ due to nearly doubling the bitrate on HDM - Beyond a certain point it becomes largely irrelevant (kinda like a gamer claiming to be able to tell the difference between 150 FPS and 200 FPS... not gonna happen), and takes back seat to the care that was taken with the compression itself. When comparing to the SD-DVD, however, there is no contest. As an added incentive, the BD also boasts a lossless audio track, which I hear (pun intended...;)) is quite impressive. So, in addition to a picture that leaves SD in the dust, the audio improvement would be akin to moving from AM mono radio (circa 1940's) to SACD (well, maybe not that big, but you get the picture)...:D

It's like comparing a person of equal personality, except that one looks like Rosie O' Donnell and the other looks like Megan Fox.

That is quite possibly the best analogy I have ever read.... :D :D

I figured that was the answer. ;) I mean, for me, the whole argument is moot.

And I do agree about the bitrate argument, too. Sure, they could have bumped it up a notch, but would it have made any difference? That whole "diminishing returns" thing. We saw it clearly enough on Transformers, didn't we? That one got an increased bitrate and you had to pause and zoom 400% to see any difference at all. And frankly, I could never see any difference in all those screencaps in the TF thread. That doesn't count as "improvement" in my book.

Nope. It was always there, even in the theater. Green tint for Matrix, blue tint for real world, no tint for Construct or any other out-of-Matrix simulation. The only change they made was to fiddle with the tint on the first film a bit to better match the sequels. So subsequent releases of the first film had stronger tinting, but the tinting itself was always there. I actually haven't seen the "tweaked" version of the film at all, I still own the original DVD release.

They mentioned it in the docs at some point, that it wasn't just a simple green tint but they tried to remove all trace of blue by pushing them to green.

I figured that was the answer. ;) I mean, for me, the whole argument is moot.

And I do agree about the bitrate argument, too. Sure, they could have bumped it up a notch, but would it have made any difference? That whole "diminishing returns" thing. We saw it clearly enough on Transformers, didn't we? .
Transformers went from 20 to 30 Mbit/s, not from 13/16 to 30. It was already in a region that is near visually lossless.

Transformers went from 20 to 30 Mbit/s, not from 13/16 to 30. It was already in a region that is near visually lossless.

Are you claiming that Matrix doesnt look like its master?

Avarage bitrate is usually an effect of storagespace reserved for the movie. So just because a movie has an ABR of 30, doesnt equal that it must have an ABR of 30.

Are you claiming that Matrix doesnt look like its master?

Are you claiming the Matrix masters don't have 1080p detail? :)

Best Buy has The Ultimate Matrix Collection for $74.99 ($15 cheaper than Amazon in fact): link (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9022693&st=Matrix+blu-ray&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1895869)

I will be heading over to BB on Tuesday morning. :cool:


Is it going to be available in stores on tuesday? I was trying to buy online pre-order but it says shipping only.

Is it going to be available in stores on tuesday? I was trying to buy online pre-order but it says shipping only.

If it's in the store's weekly ad you can count on them having at least some on Tuesday. That means Circuit City, Best Buy and Target should have it. Wal-mart.com says not sold in stores.