How has the C3X1080 been for all the owners?
performance? Reliability?
I am so fortunate to get invited to oneobgyn's theater/audio heaven last wk, that my wife wants to get that projector.
Will anything be coming out that will eclipses it's performance at the same price point soon?


Thanks,
Wilson

I Luv Mine!!!!!!

Can't go wrong..Its a top top product in my opinion...Suffice to say, it gets more attention than me when I demo it on my old screen...:)

I am contemplating switching from my G90 to this projector. Anyone done any side by side comparisons to this or other good 9" CRT? I am in a light controlled environment. Would I notice a significant improvement? Should I wait for a newer digital?

Couldn't be happier with PJ performance. Sim 2, on the other hand has not been particularly responsive. When calibrating, we were unable to use the CMS disc because the PJ delivered the message "serial number not supported". Sim 2 has not responded to two messages and Dealer has not been able to get a response, either. Have had no luck purchasing a spare bulb, either.

I've owned Sim2 projectors, including their first CRT models for the past 10 years and have to say their products have always been stellar performers within their respective market segments and whenever there was any service issue they have always stood behind their product, no question in a responsive and timely fashion to my complete and utter satisfaction. The C3X 1080 is a killer pro. Will there be improvements in the next year or two? Yes, there are always incremental improvements and new technologies around the corner but if you want something special in the here and now, you cannot go wrong with the C3X.

No issues here. I had the odd handshake issue, but those were actually cleared by an update to the Blu Ray player.

A real little powerhouse. Its certainly got small man syndrome.:)

As I mentioned in another thread recently, it outperforms a number more expensive machines very comprehensively.;)

I'm very happy with mine.

I would love higher contrast ratio, but that would be my only nit pick.

In contrast to Ted99, I've had good support from both my dealer and Sim2. I've had a couple minor issues and both have been extremely responsive. I even purchased a second bulb with no hassles (although hopefully will not need it for a while - 700 hours and still bright).

Couldn't be happier with PJ performance. Sim 2, on the other hand has not been particularly responsive. When calibrating, we were unable to use the CMS disc because the PJ delivered the message "serial number not supported". Sim 2 has not responded to two messages and Dealer has not been able to get a response, either. Have had no luck purchasing a spare bulb, either.

This is very unusual in my experience. I speak with them every week and have never had any problems reaching anyone, including tech support. Also no problem obtaining lamps.

Jim

This is very unusual in my experience. I speak with them every week and have never had any problems reaching anyone, including tech support. Also no problem obtaining lamps.

Jim

Hope this gets resolved. I've elevated within the Dealer and it may be a communications problem.

I've elevated within the Dealer

Thats one way to get his attention.:D

Poor convergence for a 30K projector.

Poor convergence for a 30K projector.

Agreed.

I wouldn't buy another projector from Sim2 again. Sim2 wouldn't back up the warranty on my second projector, and the first projector suffered from stuck pixels after one month. A few dealers I know said they didn't carry the Sim2 products because customer care issues like this happen quite frequently with Sim2; apparently Sim2 has a reputation that precedes it. Worst of all, the projector came without the C3X1080 sticker on top surface that is supposed to be on new units, which leads me to believe Sim2 packaged up someone else's used/refurbished unit and sent it to me as a replacement for the first one. I could be wrong of course and perhaps Sim2 forgot to put the sticker on while it was being built/packaged, but why did the second one not come packaged correctly like a new unit?

The technical support staff couldn't even follow troubleshooting directions which I had to send multiple times. I didn't have a correctly working projector for an unreasonable number of months between all the issues I had with the both projectors; I had no projector at all for a number of months as well. My advice to anyone considering Sim2 products is, "stay away." Sure, you might get lucky, but if you don't get lucky, prepare for incompetence.

The AVS Store offered to replace the second one themselves and deal with Sim2 directly, but at this point I might need to buy a new one when I move anyway, since I will be building a new room, and I plan on upgrading to a 2k x 4k PJ when they are a little cheaper as well, so I decided it wasn't worth the hassle (money and time wasted) for any of us.

You can guarantee that my next projector will not be a Sim2 after this experience... I'll be buying my 50k+ projector from another company.

Sorry for your hassles, but Sim2 has treated me like a King with my C3X 1080, including quick replacement when mine early on developed problems!!! Luv mine!!!@@@

BTW, I should mention, another reason I can't return the projector right now is that I am selling my house and I can't show the movie screen to prospective buyers without a projector.

Sorry for your hassles, but Sim2 has treated me like a King with my C3X 1080, including quick replacement when mine early on developed problems!!! Luv mine!!!@@@

You got lucky. Your second one worked correctly...

I was in love with my first one. Its convergence was excellent and it looked great, until the pixels became stuck. The second one I received is not well converged at all, that or defects in the lens are extreme.

I've had a 100% defect rate with my two units and you have had a 50% defect rate with your two units. For a $30k MSRP unit, I find those statistics disturbing...

BTW, I should mention, another reason I can't return the projector right now is that I am selling my house and I can't show the movie screen to prospective buyers without a projector.Most people probably wouldn't have any idea whether you were showing an expensive projector or a much cheaper one. If selling with a house a much cheaper projector would probably do and same for just showing things off. From what I recall the builders who include theaters in model homes tend to use fairly cheap projectors.

--Darin

Que
just to play Devil's Advocate, I wonder (based on the price point you confided in me that you paid for your projector) that in fact you purchased a refurbished unit (times two).

I have never had a problem with my first (and BTW only one). It has worked perfectly right out of the box.

Well, for 32k it’s SUPPOSE to work right out of the box.
I had a different experience and I’ve noticed a number of posters here have gone through more than one unit. I had to go through three projectors before I got a good one. All the time we were struggling to get the equipment to work Sim would always blame the other manufactures for the problem whether it was hdmi cables, blu-ray players or even the shipping company. It was never their fault. Yeah , right. It was always their projector that had the problem. Sim did replace the projectors very quickly (FedEx 2 day) and the one I have now is amazing. A little different than the first two I had – a few improvements. I really love the one I have now but what an ordeal. If it wasn’t for my terrific dealer it would have been a lot worse. As my calibrator said “These things should be bullet proof”.

Just to add my own experiences, I've never received anything from Sim but bend over backwards support, Fedexing of replacement projectors when there is a problem and very proactive support.

The majority of 3 chip DLP manufactures will not replace the machine. Im working with one :( my customer spent some serious money and the projector had to be sent off 3 times so far and its now returned for service again. The service is the worst and I have no idea how they survive in this industry. You better hope your first purchase landed you luck of the draw, if you need service after the sale you are now at their mercy. Once you have a dealing with any of these companies you quickly appreciate Sim2 who sets the bare with what you quickly come to realize excels in offering excellent service.

Well, for 32k it’s SUPPOSE to work right out of the box.
I suppose people who make enough to buy a 32K projector are supposed to know how to speak good Engrish :p.

I want to add from my end, now that this thread has gone from the projector to SIM 2 ,that they have treated me beyond excellent from getting the CMS software (my unit was a very early one sold prior to the software being completed ) to the correction of another issue including replacing the projector itself.

Art

I can Ditto Art's experience, and Alan's sentiment regarding Sim2. Sim2 has agreed to replace my out of convergience HT5000 with a brand new one, they are tops in my book

Cleaned up some posts. Keeping the peace.

Just to add my own experiences, I've never received anything from Sim but bend over backwards support, Fedexing of replacement projectors when there is a problem and very proactive support.

wait... how can this be... SIM2 is an Italian company, right?

Well aren't you sweet! :)

Most people probably wouldn't have any idea whether you were showing an expensive projector or a much cheaper one. If selling with a house a much cheaper projector would probably do and same for just showing things off. From what I recall the builders who include theaters in model homes tend to use fairly cheap projectors.

--Darin

Yeah, but I didn't buy the C3X1080 just to show my HT to prospective buyers. I bought it previously, before we were planning on selling the house. I'm not going to buy a second, cheaper projector at this point. I would rather use that extra money to improve the new HT. Besides which, this is my last chance to enjoy my HT room for awhile. After I sell the place, it might take a few months (or longer) to have a new HT room built. :(

At this point, even though I know who I am going to use to design the new HT room, I'm not sure what kind of space I will be dealing with, or how much room I have to add an extension to the house. I can't even begin to come up with replacement ideas yet. However, I would like to wait until 4k x 2k upconversion is available at cheaper price points, but I'm not going to hold out at the expense of not being able to watch video in the new HT...

Still waiting for my dealer to be able to resolve my CMS problem: Calibrator got the message "serial number not supported" when trying to do calibration. 6 months and waiting for Sim 2 to respond.

Like I said previously, I loved my first C3X1080 before the stuck pixels appeared... It had great convergence; it had no color outlining anywhere on the screen when using more granular viewing material, such as computer desktops.

I think when considering a projector, the customer service should be considered as a part of the product as well, and my experience with Sim2 has not been good overall. I don't think discussing Sim2 itself is out of the question when someone asks about a specific product they sell. You are buying not only a product from a company but that company's conduct as well. If anything should go wrong with that product, then you have to deal with the company's conduct.

My experience with AVS Store has been great though, and while I feel bad relating my experience with Sim2 because I had good experiences with AVS and they deal with Sim2, I feel obligated to share my experiences to hopefully save someone else from having similar problems. I'm not sure about other projector companies, perhaps Sim2 is the best of the lot... I do know my experience has not been good, and the replacement product Sim2 sent me was questionable.

If Sim2 cared, they could send me a replacement without these issues and I would be happy to change my mind, or at least shut up about it.

The AVS Store offered to replace the second one themselves and deal with Sim2 directly

Why don't you take them up on their offer?

Why don't you take them up on their offer?

I mentioned why in an earlier post.

I mentioned why in an earlier post.

You said it was because you are going to have to buy a new projector when you move into a new house.

That doesn't make sense.

If you take AVS up on their offer, you solve your immediate problem and when the time comes, you can still buy a new projector for the new theater, so taking AVS up on their offer only has positives for you, no negatives. I don't see any reason to avoid taking AVS up on their offer.
It just keeps you in helpless/complaint mode. No fun being there. Let AVS help you move forward.

So this may be a dumb question, but what does a $30k projector have that a lower cost projector, say the Sony VPL-VW60 or even VW200, does not have? Are there measureable, or visually obvious differences between the two?

You need to see one.

Maybe I'm better off not, until I get ready for a new projector! Since I just bought a Sony VPL-VW60... Sorry I just saw the thread and it had me wondering.

You said it was because you are going to have to buy a new projector when you move into a new house.

That doesn't make sense.

If you take AVS up on their offer, you solve your immediate problem and when the time comes, you can still buy a new projector for the new theater, so taking AVS up on their offer only has positives for you, no negatives. I don't see any reason to avoid taking AVS up on their offer.
It just keeps you in helpless/complaint mode. No fun being there. Let AVS help you move forward.

How do you equate not having a projector while trying to sell my house with "solving my immediate problem?" Selling my house is a more immediate problem than the projector issue. I would have to ship the projector to AVS, they would have to order and ship me a new one. In the interim, my family and I can't watch movies in the theater and we can't show the theater room to people interested in buying our house. We have spent months already not using the theater elements of the theater room. Not having a projector hurts both our ability to show the house for the price we are asking and our ability to enjoy the HT for a last stretch of time until a new HT can be built at a new house. I spent a lot of money on this specific HT room, I have only had it for a short amount of time, and soon I won't have it anymore; I want to be able to use it until I leave.

I bought this projector around 8 months ago, and I have missed out on the premium portion of my investment during the times the projector has been out of commission. I don't think making the HT room unusable for the period of time I have left to use this room is a very good solution. Then there is the issue of me not being able to show prospective buyers the recessed screen and the movie potential of the room without the projector. AVS is willing to make it up to me in other ways, which is fine with me, and considering I may have to replace it anyway, it is the most practical solution. Selling my house at the highest price possible is a larger monetary concern than the projector issue. I also have to consider what happens if I get another defective unit, and then have to spend months trying to get it replaced as well. My house is on the market now, not a few months from now; selling my house is a higher priority.

My reasons may not be negatives to you, but they are large negatives to me, especially at the price point of my house.

I'm not stuck in complaint mode. I don't spend time thinking about it anymore outside of reading and responding to these posts, which has already taken up too much of my time, so I apologize in advance for not responding any more to this thread. I don't walk around all day bewailing my situation, nor do I sit around all day stalking Sim2 threads across the internet. The thread just happened to be at the top of the Forum I frequent, so I shared my experience.

How do you equate not having a projector while trying to sell my house with "solving my immediate problem?" Selling my house is a more immediate problem than the projector issue. I would have to ship the projector to AVS, they would have to order and ship me a new one. In the interim, my family and I can't watch movies in the theater and we can't show the theater room to people interested in buying our house. We have spent months already not using the theater elements of the theater room. Not having a projector hurts both our ability to show the house for the price we are asking and our ability to enjoy the HT for a last stretch of time until a new HT can be built at a new house. I spent a lot of money on this specific HT room, I have only had it for a short amount of time, and soon I won't have it anymore; I want to be able to use it until I leave.

I bought this projector around 8 months ago, and I have missed out on the premium portion of my investment during the times the projector has been out of commission. I don't think making the HT room unusable for the period of time I have left to use this room is a very good solution. Then there is the issue of me not being able to show prospective buyers the recessed screen and the movie potential of the room without the projector. AVS is willing to make it up to me in other ways, which is fine with me, and considering I may have to replace it anyway, it is the most practical solution. Selling my house at the highest price possible is a larger monetary concern than the projector issue. I also have to consider what happens if I get another defective unit, and then have to spend months trying to get it replaced as well. My house is on the market now, not a few months from now; selling my house is a higher priority.

My reasons may not be negatives to you, but they are large negatives to me, especially at the price point of my house.

I'm not stuck in complaint mode. I don't spend time thinking about it anymore outside of reading and responding to these posts, which has already taken up too much of my time, so I apologize in advance for not responding any more to this thread. I don't walk around all day bewailing my situation, nor do I sit around all day stalking Sim2 threads across the internet. The thread just happened to be at the top of the Forum I frequent, so I shared my experience.

Huh??? When my dealer setup Sim2 to replace my projector, I shipped it to them and I had the new one in less than a week!!!!@@@
In the time it takes to post here you can practically get your new projector. Do it!

Huh??? When my dealer setup Sim2 to replace my projector, I shipped it to them and I had the new one in less than a week!!!!@@@
In the time it takes to post here you can practically get your new projector. Do it!

You need to read more carefully. Sim2 won't replace my second projector. They already had it for over a month. They replaced the first unit with the stuck pixels, which appeared after a few weeks, but the second one they held onto for awhile and wouldn't replace. Sim2 was supposed to ship the unit back to AVS, so AVS could replace it. For some reason they addressed it to the person I bought it from at AVS, but they put my shipping address on it instead of the AVS address. I needed to hook it up temporarily so the Real Estate company could take pictures of the room anyway, so it turned out to be a good thing.

In my opinion it just didn't make sense to take it down again, considering everything else that is going on. I'm also worried I could get a replacement that is in worse condition, one suffering from stuck pixels again, which would make showing the HT potentially damaging to the price point I am asking if a serious buyer comes along. Heck, I might even add the projector in as part of the house if I get the right bid... Solving everyone's problems.

When all of this initially became an issue, I wasn't selling my house... Selling the house has become much more important than anything else going on right now in my life. Plus, it will also be a great opportunity to design a room from the ground up for theater instead of two channel sound! :D

methinks he doth protest too much. I seem to remember similar issues about the Lexicon MC12HD

methinks he doth protest too much. I seem to remember similar issues about the Lexicon MC12HD

You're just pissed that I won't buy equipment from your friends despite all of your solicitations...

I'll tell you what, you send me your C3X1080 and I'll replace it with mine. :)

I'm actually about to get my Denon AVP replacement for the MC12-HD any day now, but if you want to trade those units, I'll be OK with that also...

Jeffrey that is probably one of the funniest posts that I have read here in years. I could care less where you buy your gear but you come across as such a whiny little kid. Give us a break. I was offering to help you nothing more.

Here are two pics. One of the computer screen and one of the computer screen on my C3X1080. You can see areas where the red is more than one pixel off, and the picture isn't even of the extreme edge of the screen where the problem gets worse...

Computer LCD:
http://www.jkalman.com/images/random_forum_post_pics/no_convergence_issue.jpg

My Sim C3X1080:
http://www.jkalman.com/images/random_forum_post_pics/convergence_issue.jpg

I tried using the phase adjustments and all it does is switch the pixels being off from one side of the screen to the other side of the screen...

I was offering to help you nothing more.

By insinuating that I don't have the problems I'm claiming to have with the equipment I purchased? Yeah, you are one helpful dude. Your brand loyalty shouldn't be more important than your integrity, but that seems to be the norm for a lot of people, so perhaps I'm just misguided.

How do you equate not having a projector while trying to sell my house with "solving my immediate problem?"


If AVS has agreed to REPLACE your projector, then I assume your projector will have been REPLACED. When it has been REPLACED, then you will have a REPLACEMENT PROJECTOR while selling your house.


Selling my house is a more immediate problem than the projector issue.

As you note later in your post, the two go hand in hand, replace the projector, sell the projector with the house. If you have a bunged up projector, it makes it harder to sell your house. A replacement projector holds the promise of both helping you sell your house and helping you sell your house along with the projector with a clear conscience.

Taking AVS up on their offer helps move you forward instead of stuck in neutral.

I would have to ship the projector to AVS, they would have to order and ship me a new one.

You wrote that AVS would replace your projector and then AVS would deal directly with Sim2 on your old one. So, get the new one before sending off
the old one.

We have spent months already not using the theater elements of the theater room. Not having a projector.....

Water under the bridge. Forget this, take AVS up on their offer and move on.

My reasons may not be negatives to you, but they are large negatives to me, especially at the price point of my house.

Your reasons ARE negatives to me -- I feel your pain -- that's why I am telling you to take AVS's offer.

Your reasons ARE negatives to me -- I feel your pain -- that's why I am telling you to take AVS's offer.

Perhaps you are right. Maybe I have let not having a projector in the room for awhile and my fears of a third projector with issues cloud my judgement too much.

Here are two pics. One of the computer screen and one of the computer screen on my C3X1080. You can see areas where the red is more than one pixel off, and the picture isn't even of the extreme edge of the screen where the problem gets worse...

http://www.jkalman.com/images/random_forum_post_pics/convergence_issue.jpg

http://www.jkalman.com/images/random_forum_post_pics/no_convergence_issue.jpg

I tried using the phase adjustments and all it does is switch the pixels being off from one side of the screen to the other side of the screen...

Which one is which, the bottom one is passable.

Which one is which, the bottom one is passable.

My bad, I messed up the order I posted them in... The top one is the Sim2 C3X1080. The bottom one is the computer LCD screen. I'll correct the order.

Maybe it will look cool if you use anaglyph 3-D glasses with it. :D

Que,

Your obviously not leaving your Salon 2 speakers, so why care about the projector. The new buyer might want to make it a kids room. The fact that its wired and ready to go seems more important to me. Send it back, and if you feel bad put in a cheap, bright single chip DLP. He will probably never know the difference;)


Joey

Que,

Your obviously not leaving your Salon 2 speakers, so why care about the projector. The new buyer might want to make it a kids room. The fact that its wired and ready to go seems more important to me. Send it back, and if you feel bad put in a cheap, bright single chip DLP. He will probably never know the difference;)


Joey

I would leave a lot of my stuff for the right price. I could always order more before the new theater is finished, well except perhaps the Denon AVP, that has been a bit of a wait.

There is already a bigger playroom space than the HT's dimensions in the house. :D

Besides which, it would be good for all the people I buy my equipment from and the companies whose equipment I buy as well...

Perhaps you are right. Maybe I have let not having a projector in the room for awhile and my fears of a third projector with issues cloud my judgement too much.

Completely understandable. Sounds like you have a lot of pressure coming from all directions. Sometimes it's hard to sort things out under those conditions. We've all been there. But, if you don't take AVS up on their offer, you're stuck with a projector you're not enjoying, you won't feel good demoing it for buyers, won't feel good about asking buyers to pay a premium for including it in the sale and if the buyers don't want it, you're stuck with a unit with which you're not happy. If AVS can get you a good unit, you can move it into the theater, enjoy it, use it to sell the house and sell it with the house with a clear conscience. If the buyers don't want it, then you have a good unit to take with you. That's better than being stuck with a bad unit, which is where you are now.




.

Que,

Your obviously not leaving your Salon 2 speakers, so why care about the projector. The new buyer might want to make it a kids room. The fact that its wired and ready to go seems more important to me. Send it back, and if you feel bad put in a cheap, bright single chip DLP. He will probably never know the difference;)


Joey

I would think most people assume that the projector conveys. Yet, 99.99% of potential home buyers wouldn't know the difference between a $3K single chip and the SIM3.

The majority of 3 chip DLP manufactures will not replace the machine. Im working with one :( my customer spent some serious money and the projector had to be sent off 3 times so far and its now returned for service again. The service is the worst and I have no idea how they survive in this industry. You better hope your first purchase landed you luck of the draw, if you need service after the sale you are now at their mercy. Once you have a dealing with any of these companies you quickly appreciate Sim2 who sets the bare with what you quickly come to realize excels in offering excellent service.

Alan You should talk to Jason about my experience with a Sim2 ht380 which I purchased from AVS I am not blaming AVS which has been wonderful but we are going on 14 weeks and I have still not received a projector that works. the whole experience with Sim2 has been a horror story.

I think the average home buyer wouldn't know the difference between the C3X1080 and an Epson 1000 for 1/30 the price. Moreover, your picture showing the panel mis-alignment leads me to believe that the average blockbuster demo film would still look great to the average home buyer!

Or throw up a cheapy projector and be done. No buyer will ever know (or care).

Alan You should talk to Jason about my experience with a Sim2 ht380 which I purchased from AVS I am not blaming AVS which has been wonderful but we are going on 14 weeks and I have still not received a projector that works. the whole experience with Sim2 has been a horror story.

If what you say is true, and I don't doubt you at all, why don't you just demand a refund.

I personally would be going berserk if I didn't get some sort of satisfactory answer and proposal in 14hrs, and would be making tobacco pouches and swimming caps from peoples Scrotums if it wasn't 100% resolved in 14 days.

Start taking some scalps. Get right in somebody's kitchen and make a mess.

My Sim2 experience has been first rate, but I expect to take that for granted. 14weeks is way excessive.

Home buyers might not know projectors, but if you're trying to sell the house based on having a home theater with projector, I think you'd convey more honest pride if you sold it with a fully functioning C3X1080 than if you were selling it with a cheap projector you threw up there just to take up space. If you try to prey on a buyer's ignorance, you might be successful, but you can also get yourself embarrassed. All a buyer has to do is go to Google and in a few seconds, he'd find out you threw up a cheap projector. Plus, if you throw up a cheapie, you're out more money for the cheapo and you're still stuck with an underperforming C3X1080, so I don't see how that is a solution.

Still waiting for my dealer to be able to resolve my CMS problem: Calibrator got the message "serial number not supported" when trying to do calibration. 6 months and waiting for Sim 2 to respond.

thats more like Italian customer service... but seriously, I saw the SIM2 at JeffMacs house and it was amazing... there is alot to say for the visual impact of a huge 2.4 screen and a projector that can fill it from coast to coast.

Home buyers might not know projectors, but if you're trying to sell the house based on having a home theater with projector, I think you'd convey more honest pride if you sold it with a fully functioning C3X1080 than if you were selling it with a cheap projector you threw up there just to take up space. If you try to prey on a buyer's ignorance, you might be successful, but you can also get yourself embarrassed. All a buyer has to do is go to Google and in a few seconds, he'd find out you threw up a cheap projector. Plus, if you throw up a cheapie, you're out more money for the cheapo and you're still stuck with an underperforming C3X1080, so I don't see how that is a solution.

If I bought a home with a dedicated listening room, I wouldn't expect the buyer to leave a stack of Mark Levinson gear.

A projector is better than no projector.... When I sell my place my nice components and PJ will be sold at an extra cost (or simply replaced by cheapo stuff). I'd replace my Halcro with a Pioneer, my next PJ (HT5000 quality) with a Cost-Co FP, and 6 amps with 1 receiver. I won't leave my cars in the garage for the buyer either...

Anyone who buys the home can have any of a number of local boutiques equip the room fantastically.

However, I might consider selling it all as a separate transaction..

thats more like Italian customer service...

Having read the associated posts and replies, and having heard of that particular issue, I'm suspect thats a dealer problem.

That aside, my own experience of Italian customer service has been very positive. Technically I should say N.American customer service on Italian goods.:)

I won't leave my cars in the garage for the buyer either...

No, because you want to take your cars with you. Que says he wants to leave the projector and buy a new one when he relocates. Buying another projector with which to sell the house means buying yet another projector AND being stuck taking the projector he wants to leave behind --- and if he doesn't get a better replacement, he's not only stuck with the projector he wanted to sell with the house and kiss goodbye,
he's stuck with a malfunctioning projector, so he has to take a malfunctioning projector with him -- or -- try to sell a malfunctioning projector in order to raise cash to buy the new one to which he wants to trade up.

I guess I don't understand the big conundrum... But an inexpensive substitute projector, set it and forget it!

I guess I don't understand the big conundrum... But an inexpensive substitute projector, set it and forget it!


The guy is stuck with a really expensive malfunctioning projector -- buying a new one, however cheap, to sell the house, does not fix that problem.

Even if he decides he wants to keep the C3X1080, he will still need a replacement. So, even if he decides he'd like to keep the Sim2, buying the cheap projector does not solve his problem.

No matter whether he wants to sell the projector with the house and kiss it goodbye or whether he wants to keep the Sim2, he's going to need a well-functioning C3X1080.

AVS has offered to replace the faulty one with a better one.

I think that's a better way to go than keeping the faulty one AND buying another cheap one, too.

Replacing it with a better unit give him the potential of two decent options;

1) Sell the house with the better functioning unit and kiss the projector bye bye (which is what Que wants).

2) Worst case, the buyer doesn't want to pay up for the projector, wants to turn the room into a nursery, billiard room, massage parlor, Que is "stuck" with a well-functioning C3X1080.

Refusing AVS's offer gives him three distasteful options;

1) Sell the house with a malfunctioning projector.

2) Sell the house with a cheap projector and still be stuck with malfunctioning C3X.

3) Worst case, the buyer hates projectors, a projector killed his grandma, Que is stuck with a beautiful but expensive C3X boat anchor AND the cheapie unit, too.

Q flunks the Audio Video Logic test. Everyone else passes. Do we have any shrinks on the forum willing to give Q some Audio Video Counseling so when he gets the new house and new components he'll be a happy satisfied camper on the "Q"???

Whoever heard of anyone coming up with justifications on not repairing or replacing with a brand new working properly unit a $32.5K retail purchase?

And frankly I doubt any dealer is goin' to eat a $32.5K projector. My bet is that Sim2, with some dealer proddin', agreed to replace the unit. But they first want the old unit back in their hands. That's what they did with me. Not unreasonable.

This thread is worthy of ValhallaPC!!!

Que says he wants to leave the projector and buy a new one when he relocates.

It all depends on what happens really. I wouldn't build a new theater around the projector, so if the new theater won't work well with the T2 lens, then I will be forced to get another projector.

You were right though, in either case I was screwing myself. I would either be stuck with a sub-par product, or giving/selling one to somebody else...

I loved my first C3X1080 until the stuck pixels appeared; its convergence was much better. I would gladly stick with the C3X1080 for awhile as long as I get one that functions well.

Q flunks the Audio Video Logic test. Everyone else passes. Do we have any shrinks on the forum willing to give Q some Audio Video Counseling so when he gets the new house and new components he'll be a happy satisfied camper on the "Q"???

Whoever heard of anyone coming up with justifications on not repairing or replacing with a brand new working properly unit a $32.5K retail purchase?

And frankly I doubt any dealer is goin' to eat a $32.5K projector. My bet is that Sim2, with some dealer proddin', agreed to replace the unit. But they first want the old unit back in their hands. That's what they did with me. Not unreasonable.

This thread is worthy of ValhallaPC!!!

I completely agree

Whoever heard of anyone coming up with justifications on not repairing or replacing with a brand new working properly unit a $32.5K retail purchase?

You try going through more than 7 months of crap with a specific projector and see how it makes you feel. It started to seem easier to just give up than have to keep dealing with the problem... My sanity is more important than the money. With the other issue my family and I are dealing with looming over our house, the $32k became a drop in the bucket compared to a potential loss of 20% of our house value. It changed my perspective on things a bit.

In any case, I took AVS up on their offer, they are replacing it.

You try going through more than 7 months of crap with a specific projector and see how it makes you feel. It started to seem easier to just give up than have to keep dealing with the problem... My sanity is more important than the money. With the other issue my family and I are dealing with looming over our house, the $32k became a drop in the bucket compared to a potential loss of 20% of our house value. It changed my perspective on things a bit.

In any case, I took AVS up on their offer, they are replacing it.

Congrats.

I will gladly take a loss of only 20% house value. Here's in Az its more like 35%. Count your blessings.

Congrats.

I will gladly take a loss of only 20% house value. Here's in Az its more like 35%. Count your blessings.

The losses I'm referring to are above and beyond normal real estate market deterioration. I'm not worried about normal real estate market deterioration, since what I lose on the selling end I gain on the buying end. It balances out as long as the two transactions (selling and buying) are close enough in time. It is a good time to buy a new place (especially since the commission I pay will be lower), as long as I can sell the old one and buy a new one right away... Of course, I'll still lose the 5% commission if it sells, so it is a trade-off of a 5% loss instead of a potential 20% loss overall. I have no way of gauging the exact probability of the "20% loss" event occurring, so I am playing it safe.

In any case, I took AVS up on their offer, they are replacing it.

I am really happy to hear this -- better luck to you.

The losses I'm referring to are above and beyond normal real estate market deterioration. I'm not worried about normal real estate market deterioration, since what I lose on the selling end I gain on the buying end. It balances out as long as the two transactions (selling and buying) are close enough in time. It is a good time to buy a new place (especially since the commission I pay will be lower), as long as I can sell the old one and buy a new one right away... Of course, I'll still lose the 5% commission if it sells, so it is a trade-off of a 5% loss instead of a potential 20% loss overall. I have no way of gauging the exact probability of the "20% loss" event occurring, so I am playing it safe.
I'm not sure about that either. It's hard to sell. You could be the proud owner of two properties of falling value. It's also hard to get a good loan, even if you have good credit. This is a great time to pick up property if you can pay cash (without liquidating stock), but not a good time to trade. You could always wait to buy until after you sell the first property, but then you may find yourself without a place to move. All in all, this market sucks.

You could always wait to buy until after you sell the first property, but then you may find yourself without a place to move.
That is what we are doing, selling first and buying afterwards. So as long as we buy within a close enough period of time to selling, we will be relatively OK.

No load needed, we are paying in full.

As far as finding a place to move to, that hasn't been a terrible problem so far from what we have looked at, even if we have to buy cheaper and renovate the entire house instead of just adding a new HT room. If worse comes to worse there are plenty of places to rent.

I'm not sure about that either. It's hard to sell. You could be the proud owner of two properties of falling value. It's also hard to get a good loan, even if you have good credit. This is a great time to pick up property if you can pay cash (without liquidating stock), but not a good time to trade. You could always wait to buy until after you sell the first property, but then you may find yourself without a place to move. All in all, this market sucks.

Might not be a bad idea to liquidate some stock losers. They'll likely be lower next year and that's money lost.. The market is going no where fast and may be worth less over the next year. I have kept 75% of my investable money out of the market over the last 1 year. But I agree. Sell first, buy later.

Congrats.

I will gladly take a loss of only 20% house value. Here's in Az its more like 35%. Count your blessings.

I hear ya! Florida is just as bad, if not worse...

i have been lucky and seen a 16% increase in a year.

i have been lucky and seen a 16% increase in a year.

I didn't realize the price of property in the county jail has been appreciating;)

If what you say is true, and I don't doubt you at all, why don't you just demand a refund.

I personally would be going berserk if I didn't get some sort of satisfactory answer and proposal in 14hrs, and would be making tobacco pouches and swimming caps from peoples Scrotums if it wasn't 100% resolved in 14 days.

Start taking some scalps. Get right in somebody's kitchen and make a mess.

My Sim2 experience has been first rate, but I expect to take that for granted. 14weeks is way excessive.

I own a Sim2 Ht300 E and have been in general happy with the service. I have not found a unit for the price which when working properly produces as good an image as the 380 and of course matches my set up perfectly because it is plug compatible with the 300

The technician in Florida insists that their is nothing wrong with the current unit even though at minimum throw max zoom and max throughput the unit with a new a lamp only puts out 500 lumens and does not change output power when you turnoff the brilliant color. It should change by at least 20 percent. I have seen demos of this projector and the one they sent me was at less than half as bright as the demos. Also the Colors were much richer and the blacks much deeper in the Demo which indicates that the brillaint color is not working with the Osram lamp.

also the lamp projects a white infocus ring around the peripheria of my projection screen which indicates to me that the collecting optics for the lamp is out of alignment. I am cognizant of the fact that all projectors spill light but they do not project rings unless the input aperture is overfilled

the blacks in this projector are extremely poor even for a Dlp projector and they are much worse than my 3 year old Sim2 Ht300E

the problem is not with AVS but with Sim2 North America

The problem has gone on for so long that we are now one week away from Cedia which I will be attending with the purpose of choosing a new projector.

I will be sending a fedex letter to the president of Sim worldwide and the president of of sim North America detailing with 20 emails my problems with this projector and my problems getting a Demo in the first place. It took 7 months to get a demo and I had previously bought their projector the Sim2 Ht300E

I am an engineer by training and a small business owner by practice and I tend to be more persistent than aggressive which probably explains why this has gone on as long as it has

I own a Sim2 Ht300 E and have been in general happy with the service. I have not found a unit for the price which when working properly produces as good an image as the 380 and of course matches my set up perfectly because it is plug compatible with the 300

The technician in Florida insists that their is nothing wrong with the current unit even though at minimum throw max zoom and max throughput the unit with a new a lamp only puts out 500 lumens and does not change output power when you turnoff the brilliant color. It should change by at least 20 percent. I have seen demos of this projector and the one they sent me was at less than half as bright as the demos. Also the Colors were much richer and the blacks much deeper in the Demo which indicates that the brillaint color is not working with the Osram lamp.

also the lamp projects a white infocus ring around the peripheria of my projection screen which indicates to me that the collecting optics for the lamp is out of alignment. I am cognizant of the fact that all projectors spill light but they do not project rings unless the input aperture is overfilled

the blacks in this projector are extremely poor even for a Dlp projector and they are much worse than my 3 year old Sim2 Ht300E

the problem is not with AVS but with Sim2 North America

The problem has gone on for so long that we are now one week away from Cedia which I will be attending with the purpose of choosing a new projector.

I will be sending a fedex letter to the president of Sim worldwide and the president of of sim North America detailing with 20 emails my problems with this projector and my problems getting a Demo in the first place. It took 7 months to get a demo and I had previously bought their projector the Sim2 Ht300E

I am an engineer by training and a small business owner by practice and I tend to be more persistent than aggressive which probably explains why this has gone on as long as it has

I really feel for you. As you know I owned an HT380 myself,actually the very first one on AVS. I was, and still am, full of praise for this PJ. I agree that it is superior to anything for its price, and better than may above that. My own unit produced a healthy 740 lumen,6k CR big ANSI and CMS derived perfect color. Those numbers are fairly typical. Jason's own unit was 760 lumen

I hope this is resolved quickly.

Does Jason agree with your findings? If so, then he should be able to make some noise....AVS are a big dealership.

this is why I won't touch SIM... I just don't need these headaches... I have enough already.

this is why I won't touch SIM... I just don't need these headaches... I have enough already.

I think you'll find the vast majority have a positive experience, dealers and users alike. As Alan said, they set the bar.

I notice that's your third negative, but non contributory, post in this thread.

That, aside, whats your alternative to the C3X1080? What have you "chosen" to use instead?

I think you'll find the vast majority have a positive experience, dealers and users alike.

CM- It seems the majority of owners are happy in the end. However the QC at Sim2 must not be very good if they have to constantly replace units leading to extra costs for them and frustration for both dealer and owner alike.

In this thread alone-

- Ted99- Problem w/Unit
- QC- Problem w/Unit
- SB- Problem was replaced now happy
- Jeffmac- Problem was replace twice and also happy
- Art Sonneborn- Happy, had an issue which required the PJ to be replaced and still happy
- LJG needed a HT5000 replaced, also happy
- mlang46 a problem that is ongoing after 14 weeks

CM- It seems the majority of owners are happy in the end. However the QC at Sim2 must not be very good if they have to constantly replace units leading to extra costs for them and frustration for both dealer and owner alike.

In this thread alone-

- Ted99- Problem w/Unit
- QC- Problem w/Unit
- SB- Problem was replaced now happy
- Jeffmac- Problem was replace twice and also happy
- Art Sonneborn- Happy, had an issue which required the PJ to be replaced and still happy
- LJG needed a HT5000 replaced, also happy
- mlang46 a problem that is ongoing after 14 weeks

Spazz, I am fully aware of the situation. I have, after all, been contributing to the thread.

That is not remotely close to the issue I raised, nor were you the person I raised it with.

CM you didn't raise it with me. I was making an observation.

No need for the name calling-

Spazz

:rolleyes:

I think you'll find the vast majority have a positive experience, dealers and users alike. As Alan said, they set the bar.

I notice that's your third negative, but non contributory, post in this thread.

That, aside, whats your alternative to the C3X1080? What have you "chosen" to use instead?

I have been trying to dissuade Tzucc as a fellow member of our BAAS and having been to his home on many occasions. He has an enviable room with a somewhat outdated JVC and now Tzucc is leaning towards the JVC RS-2 although we have convinced him to go to CEDIA and have a look. Tzucc has also seen both my and Jeffmac's C3X1080 and has enjoyed what he saw.

I have been trying to dissuade Tzucc as a fellow member of our BAAS and having been to his home on many occasions.

You may be wasting your time on a lost cause. Every time I try to get through to a JVC owner I get the same response

CM...what's your story with PM?

CM...what's your story with PM?

Im having issues ATM.:mad:

Will hopefully be back up soon.

Im having issues ATM.:mad:

Will hopefully be back up soon.

:confused::(

:confused::(

Just to be clear, when I refer to "having issues"I don't mean Erectile Dysfunction.

There is something strange going on with my account and the issue is at my end. Its in hand.

Its in hand.

:eek:

:eek:

There was a "my end" in there too. You cant beat a good double-entendre.

I've watched far too many Carry-on films

Just to be clear, when I refer to "having issues"I don't mean Erectile Dysfunction.

There is something strange going on with my account and the issue is at my end. Its in hand.

Actually I thought you were suffering from verbal diarrhoea;)

Actually I thought you were suffering from verbal diarrhoea;)

"Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind; The thief doth fear each bush an officer"

I did enjoy very much the SIM2 image, both at Jeffmacs place and OB's place.
However, I have two problems with the idea of getting one:
1) price premium relative to the JVC
2) perceived problems in getting one to work as well as did OB and Jeffmac

The JVC RS1, as I saw it at Ron Party's place is decent enough for me, at 1/4th (or even less?) the price of the Sim2. And with the new JVC just introduced, if it holds at spec, will be even more of a slam dunk for me. Projectors are going to change alot in the next 5 years, and I can't see spending $20-30k on a piece of hardware which will depreciate significantly. Better to spend $5-7k on a piece of hardware, if it's going to be drop like a rock.

I did develop an inherent bias towards JVC at the first CEDIA I went to, where I compared all the DLPs at the time to the new SX21 DILA. But I will be looking at Sony, whatever SIM2 has in the price range, all of it at CEDIA. I expect to come out of CEDIA choosing the new JVC HD750, but I'll try to put aside my JVC bias.

I was hoping I could be happy with a JVC projector, too. But, after auditioning the RS2, I couldn't get past the motion blur. I've heard that motion blur is something like RBE, some people are more sensitive to it than others. I must be sensitive to it because it drove me nuts when watching the RS2. I've had the same experience with LCD projectors -- the motion blur drives me nuts. I also found that in a lot of my viewing, the blacks on the RS2 seemed washed out. One more thing -- the store where I auditioned the RS2 had it on a 10' wide 2.35:1 ST130 screen. I auditioned the projector the day after they set it up and it looked bright enough. Went back three weeks later and the bulb had dimmed enough that the picture looked dull. Try to get accurate numbers for lamp power on these projectors. If you feel it will light the size screen you desire and the motion blur doesn't bother you, the JVC could be a way to keep some powder dry until projector technology advances. That was my plan, too, but I knew I couldn't be happy with the JVC and then I talked to Jason Turk and he offered a deal that made the C3X1080 a no-brainer for me. If you really like the C3X1080, I would recommend talking to Jason before settling for the JVC.

"Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind; The thief doth fear each bush an officer"

Just to be clear, when I refer to "having issues"I don't mean Erectile Dysfunction.

There is something strange going on with my account and the issue is at my end. Its in hand.


Is this what they mean when they say you are "beating around the bush" ;)

rsbeck, I have not noticed any such motion blur effect with my SX21, nor with Ron's RS1. $20,000 premium over the JVC is simply not justified by what I see. And again, a $25K C3X1080 may sell for $3000 in 5 years... my plan is to upgrade pj's once every 3-5 years or so, for best available in the $5K range. Take the $26K, divide by $5k, and I can finance 5 upgrade cycles, and I suspect $5k will buy a better projector in 5 years than the C3X1080 is today.

rsbeck, I have not noticed any such motion blur effect with my SX21, nor with Ron's RS1. $20,000 premium over the JVC is simply not justified by what I see. And again, a $25K C3X1080 may sell for $3000 in 5 years... my plan is to upgrade pj's once every 3-5 years or so, for best available in the $5K range. Take the $26K, divide by $5k, and I can finance 5 upgrade cycles, and I suspect $5k will buy a better projector in 5 years than the C3X1080 is today.

But Tzucc I would bet $$$ that the C3X1080 will hold its own (and not beat around the bush;) in 5 years when compared to other PJ's

I propose this way of studying the question: take the 'best' $25K projector of 5 years ago, and compare it the 'best' $5K projector of today.

Certainly in 5 years, laser driven projectors might completely obsolete the 3DLP C3X1080... who knows. You can bet against it, but being in the tech biz, I am going to count on it.

rsbeck, I have not noticed any such motion blur effect with my SX21, nor with Ron's RS1. $20,000 premium over the JVC is simply not justified by what I see. And again, a $25K C3X1080 may sell for $3000 in 5 years... my plan is to upgrade pj's once every 3-5 years or so, for best available in the $5K range. Take the $26K, divide by $5k, and I can finance 5 upgrade cycles, and I suspect $5k will buy a better projector in 5 years than the C3X1080 is today.

I hear you. That was my plan, too. Then I auditioned the RS2 and the C3X1080. Sounds like you can be happy with the JVC in the short run. Wasn't the case for me. 3-5 years of that motion blur on either a small or dimly lit larger screen (high gain screen wouldn't be appropriate for my app) would drive me nuts. Since I am building a dedicated theater and I am building around a somewhat larger screen (108" W, 124" Diagonal) It would be a pain to build it around a smaller screen to accommodate a less expensive projector now and then remodel the theater in a few years, so there was that to consider as well. I'd rather suffer a little depreciation for happiness now, but that's just based on my situation.

I propose this way of studying the question: take the 'best' $25K projector of 5 years ago, and compare it the 'best' $5K projector of today.

Certainly in 5 years, laser driven projectors might completely obsolete the 3DLP C3X1080... who knows. You can bet against it, but being in the tech biz, I am going to count on it.

Tzucc

maybe I am easy to please because in all honesty I am so happy with my C3X1080 that even if there might be better in 5 years regardless of what mine is worth I don't foresee a need to replace it. IMO it is that good

I hear you guys, but having seen my $10K projector now value at $400 in 5 years... I just ain't running out to by the top of the line....

I was hoping I could be happy with a JVC projector, too. But, after auditioning the RS2, I couldn't get past the motion blur. I've heard that motion blur is something like RBE, some people are more sensitive to it than others. I must be sensitive to it because it drove me nuts when watching the RS2. I've had the same experience with LCD projectors -- the motion blur drives me nuts. I also found that in a lot of my viewing, the blacks on the RS2 seemed washed out. One more thing -- the store where I auditioned the RS2 had it on a 10' wide 2.35:1 ST130 screen. I auditioned the projector the day after they set it up and it looked bright enough. Went back three weeks later and the bulb had dimmed enough that the picture looked dull. Try to get accurate numbers for lamp power on these projectors. If you feel it will light the size screen you desire and the motion blur doesn't bother you, the JVC could be a way to keep some powder dry until projector technology advances. That was my plan, too, but I knew I couldn't be happy with the JVC and then I talked to Jason Turk and he offered a deal that made the C3X1080 a no-brainer for me. If you really like the C3X1080, I would recommend talking to Jason before settling for the JVC.

I have heard other complaints baout motion blur in the JVC but have not noticed them myself. Technically the rise and fall times of the LCOS pixels should be short enough not to cause any motion blur. does anyone have an explanation of this problem.

I hear you guys, but having seen my $10K projector now value at $400 in 5 years...

Well, you made an obvious mistake -- if you want your projector to be worth more than $1,000 after 5 years, you have to start with one with an original MSRP over $30,000.

Hey -- I'm just trying to help!

I have heard other complaints baout motion blur in the JVC but have not noticed them myself. Technically the rise and fall times of the LCOS pixels should be short enough not to cause any motion blur. does anyone have an explanation of this problem.

I don't have an explanation either, but see it readily. I think the softness of the image doesn't help either.The halos and haze are also very distracting. You may get better info on this on the other forum.

The JVC RS1, as I saw it at Ron Party's place is decent enough for me, at 1/4th (or even less?) the price of the Sim2. And with the new JVC just introduced, if it holds at spec, will be even more of a slam dunk for me.

I did develop an inherent bias towards JVC at the first CEDIA I went to, where I compared all the DLPs at the time to the new SX21 DILA. But I will be looking at Sony, whatever SIM2 has in the price range, all of it at CEDIA. I expect to come out of CEDIA choosing the new JVC HD750, but I'll try to put aside my JVC bias.

I also saw Ron's RS1 a while ago and thought it looked great. Ob's looks better, but is obviously a top of the line video system.
I settled on the Ruby because I decided I liked the Xenon illumination and the price was right. The Ruby has been perfect for my Dalite high intensity screen and 110 inch diagonal. I don't think the Sony or the RS1/2 would offer enough illumination in Tony's theater, though. I think the size of Tony's screen looks like it needs a brighter bulb.

You may get better info on this on the other forum.

Accurate info about JVC projectors on the other forum?



<runs of out room laughing maniacally>

Obviously the question is not: is the SIM better than the JVC.

For T, the question is: is the SIM ~25K better than the JVC?

It is another flavor choice in the world of adult toys.

Maybe its just me, but I've never seen an RS1 or RS2 look great.

Reminds me when i was describing my work to two swedish blondes.

I told them: "basically I design very expensive toys". They looked at each other put on a big grin and exclaimed in unison: "WE LOVE TOYS!":D

Accurate info about JVC projectors on the other forum?



<runs of out room laughing maniacally>

JVC owners wont like that.

If you want accurate colors, you'll have to pair the RS1 with outboard VP. Now, you're talking closer to 10k+ for the JVC.

In audio or video, you never get twice the performance for twice the price. If you can get more than 10% better performance for twice the price, you're doing pretty good. It will always be a value for money question because the extra 10% will be worth it to some and not to others. It will be worth it when going from 5 to 10k, but not from 10 to 20k, etc.

Reminds me when i was describing my work to two swedish blondes.

I told them: "basically I design very expensive toys". They looked at each other put on a big grin and exclaimed in unison: "WE LOVE TOYS!":D

Hey Peter, sounds like you found a couple of fun guys.:D

JVC owners wont like that.

They should at least appreciate the effort.

You know how hard it is to run while laughing maniacally?

I mean, come on, I'm workin' here!

Hey Peter, sounds like you found a couple of fun guys.:D

I knew that was coming from you. You need a good dosage of Straight Blue Ray content my friend. How about:

http://www.thehdroom.com/images/bluray/large/4553.jpg

I knew that was coming from you. You need a good dosage of Straight Blue Ray content my friend.


I dont watch it, I live it.

Im laying more pipe than the Trans Siberian Gas Company.:)

As long as you are not passing more gas than them good for you.

Obviously the question is not: is the SIM better than the JVC.

For T, the question is: is the SIM ~25K better than the JVC?

It is another flavor choice in the world of adult toys.

xactly. (edit: and the answer, speaking only for me now, is no).

Well, coldmachine, are you sure the hazing and other perceived special effects aren't 'post-intake' video processing caused by your self prescribed 'medication' ? Frankly, I hope every other JVC customer thinks like you though, that way I can hopefully pick the new JVC models for cheap.

Carl, yes, brightness is my biggest cause of hand wringing. Two things, one is Ron's system looked fine to me, not as bright as JeffMacs for sure, but good enough, and he didn't have total ambient light control, and Ron has an 8' wide screen... I would like to go even wider, but I am also going to reduce height and go 2.4:1. Total surface area might not increase by much. Secondly, and I confess to my usual wishful thinking, but perhaps the new model really does put out 800 lumens per todays specs. And I am going to upgrade the screen to the Studiotek 130/microperf, I think.

BTW, JeffMac's phantom center channel works out pretty darn well... if I wanted to get rid of the center channel and lose the perf screen I could gain another 10% of gain.... though as he admits people to L and R of center get too much information from the L or R close to them.

p.s. let's see what CEDIA's demos have to show. s/b interesting.

http://www.thehdroom.com/images/bluray/large/4553.jpg


I'd like to find a girl like that.

You know....

One who hangs out naked with her two friends emitting really bright light from their nipples.

That's cool!

Peter, this is strictly, er, a technical question... is that an actual BluRay title, and if so, how is the video quality, and if it is highly detailed, does it detract from the subject material...? I recall how photographers of 'models' would purposefully blur the image to hide certain imperfections on the subject.

Well, coldmachine, are you sure the hazing and other perceived special effects aren't 'post-intake' video processing caused by your self prescribed 'medication' ? .


They are well documented artifacts on that PJ.

Not that discussion of said PJ belongs here, there is another forum for that.

In audio or video, you never get twice the performance for twice the price. If you can get more than 10% better performance for twice the price, you're doing pretty good. It will always be a value for money question because the extra 10% will be worth it to some and not to others. It will be worth it when going from 5 to 10k, but not from 10 to 20k, etc.
Of course. Many, if not most, understand the relationship b/n cost and performance is not linear.

And if one's, including perhaps T's, budget is not unlimited, then it is not only a flavor choice question in and of itself, but also a resource allocation question.

I hear you.

Not only do I have a new projector to buy, but also a new screen, and a new pre/pro for HT mode. My media room is without it's pre/pro soul and I am waiting for CEDIA to show me the way there too... when my next set of media room stuff goes obsolete, I am just going to move away and leave it all there.

They are well documented artifacts on that PJ.


I hope it's so well documented that it scares off buyers, leaving me with a surplus to choose from.
Though I've gone through most of the owner threads for the RS1 and never saw haze, halo or motion blur mentioned with any frequency.

Not only do I have a new projector to buy, but also a new screen, and a new pre/pro for HT mode.
Don't forget Sonos;)

I hope it's so well documented that it scares off buyers, leaving me with a surplus to choose from.
Though I've gone through most of the owner threads for the RS1 and never saw haze, halo or motion blur mentioned with any frequency.

Can we now stop discussing machines that, very clearly, just don't belong here.

don't forget sonos;)

+1.

I've got Sonos installed as a temporary measure till my distribution system is installed. Its been a total pleasure and a revelation. Its also stupidly cheap.

I had a thread over there when I was considering the JVC's and my recall is that a number of people admitted seeing motion blur. It's hard to get anyone on the $3,000 forum to admit any shortcoming with the JVC projectors because those who do are immediately surrounded, pummeled, put in the back of a black van with no windows, and when they reappear, they have a weird glazed over stare and can't recall even having a complaint.

Best explanation I have heard is that the motion blur with LCoS and LCD projectors is like RBE, some are more susceptible to it than others. If it doesn't bother you, count yourself lucky.

Myself, I am really susceptible to women with high powered light emitting from their nipples.

It causes ME to have motion blur.

Ron, yes, the Sonos was way cool... almost as cool as your beautifully labelled CD library. That was pretty fun kicking back and scrolling through your library.

CM, I see your problem, the JVC is sub $20,000 and the SIM2 is above... hence you want what you feel your $25k spend has earned you here in this forum, for the JVC RS models to be banned from mention in these hallowed Ultra hi end halls. The JVC Nissan GT-R is not allowed to park in the same Ultra garage as the SIM2 Ferrari 430 (sorry Enzo, that I compared the SIM2 to your products, which are actually top performance in their market).

rsbeck, I don't believe I have ever experience rainbow effect with DLP color wheels, though I was told to look for them. My problem with DLPs is screen door effect, which always bothered me from an aesthetics pov, even if it was not detectable at viewing distance.

Hasn't 1080 done away with screen door effect?

CM, I see your problem, the JVC is sub $20,000 and the SIM2 is above... hence you want what you feel your $25k spend has earned you here in this forum, for the JVC RS models to be banned from mention in these hallowed Ultra hi end halls. The JVC Nissan GT-R is not allowed to park in the same Ultra garage as the SIM2 Ferrari 430 (sorry Enzo, that I compared the SIM2 to your products, which are actually top performance in their market).

I don't have a problem, I didn't set the forum entry price.

I never went into the $3k forum discussing my $60k HT5000, or even the C3X1080, in comparison to budget units, its grossly inappropriate and insensitive. In a similar manner people coming on here stating that the price of machines native to this forum are unjustified or unattainable compared to budget units is also inappropriate.

PS I like your car analogy, are you a Ferrari owner.

I don't have a problem, I didn't set the forum entry price.

I never went into the $3k forum discussing my $60k HT5000 in comparison to budget units, its grossly inappropriate and insensitive. In a similar manner people coming on here stating that the price of machines native to this forum are unjustified or unattainable compared to budget units is also inappropriate.

PS I like your car analogy, are you a Ferrari owner?

Fair enough. No, I am not a Ferrari owner, say the purists.

+1.

I've got Sonos installed as a temporary measure till my distribution system is installed. Its been a total pleasure and a revelation. Its also stupidly cheap. [Emphasis added.]
Seriously. Talk about value vs. performance. At a buy in price of only a few hundred $$$, being able to be glued to the sweet spot and have instant access to my ~1400 CD collection with a beautiful, easy to operate remote, well ... This is to state nothing of the fact that the sweet spot has cup holders for the wine/scotch du jour.

In what I consider to be a large A/V room such as T's, with tiered seating, and truly high end speakers and subs, Sonos is crying out for installation.

Seriously. Talk about value vs. performance. At a buy in price of only a few hundred $$$, being able to be glued to the sweet spot and have instant access to my ~1400 CD collection with a beautiful, easy to operate remote, well ... This is to state nothing of the fact that the sweet spot has cup holders for the wine/scotch du jour.

In what I consider to be a large A/V room such as T's, with tiered seating, and truly high end speakers and subs, Sonos is crying out for installation.

I have 17 ZPs installed and like it so much Im actually thinking of keeping them. This can only happen if I can get Crestron integration. There are a couple of solutions but they are simply not good enough ATM

There are a few things that need to be attended to with Sonos, but bang for buck it is incredible and totally solid in operation.

I also notice that I listen to far more music since getting it.

I cannot recommend it enough to forum members.

I have 17 ZPs installed.
Party animal.

Ron, apparently this discussion is not allowed in this forum, as the Sonos is priced at $19,999 including tax....

But seriously, I think the Sonos is nice, for me, as a transport, and I would let the DCS dac do it's thing... but then I have to start ripping all my CDs... why don't I just develop a private networked disk sharing utility, which syncs up the members hard drive music folders with each other, so that we can all aggregate our CD collections for the purpose of streaming to Sonos...

I am most curious as to how the Sonos would sound with the data going over coax SPDIF to the DCS dac (sorry, again this unit is not $20K or above... will I get banned for this heresy?) ... I know for sure by inferior sound quality when the DCS is not supplying the external clock, but in this case where a physical transport is not involved, maybe the jitter is down to imperceptible levels... yes, I think a Sonos might have to be a future buy for me. However, I still have vinyl to contend with, and I am not quite to Carl's method of recording the vinyl onto my Macbook, although he got pretty good results with that!

Party animal.

I had 4 fitted initially and it worked so well that i called my dealer next day and bring over what he had. He only had another 3 at the time.

That was it, it was like crack from then on.

But seriously, I think the Sonos is nice, for me, as a transport, and I would let the DCS dac do it's thing... but then I have to start ripping all my CDs... why don't I just develop a private networked disk sharing utility, which syncs up the members hard drive music folders with each other, so that we can all aggregate our CD collections for the purpose of streaming to Sonos...
Be careful. Big Brother might be reading this thread.










P.S., let's do it!

I still have vinyl to contend with, and I am not quite to Carl's method of recording the vinyl onto my Macbook, although he got pretty good results with that!
I think Queuecumber, who relatively recently discovered that in many instances he prefers vinyl to CD due to compression issues, purchases what are considered to be high end vinyl pressings and immediately burns CDs so as to preserve their initial sound quality.

That was it, it was like crack from then on.

see, that explains the halo and haze... lay off the stuff and you'll see a better pic from all projectors!

Ron, I have to consult with an atty first... know anyone impartial? lol.

Also, my biggest issue with vinyl to CD is the A/D chain... something really good has to be used and whatever it is, the Macbook is not it for me, and I don't have what is required. Though I should go look for some outboard USB A/Ds... but how can they possibly do the job well enough?

I'd like to find a girl like that.

You know....

One who hangs out naked with her two friends emitting really bright light from their nipples.

That's cool!

Hmm I thought that was the motion blur people see with the JVC PJ's

Ron, I have to consult with an atty first... know anyone impartial? lol.

Also, my biggest issue with vinyl to CD is the A/D chain... something really good has to be used and whatever it is, the Macbook is not it for me, and I don't have what is required. Though I should go look for some outboard USB A/Ds... but how can they possibly do the job well enough?

I just acquired a Mac powerbook g4 1.5Ghz 12 inch screen to use for mobile office use. I was surprised to see that "Garage Band" will record with the internal electronics at 24/48 and downsample to 16/44 to burn CD's. That must sound good, but I haven't tried it yet with a vinyl record, maybe for the next get together. My previous efforts were with an old silver doored powermac g4 with 16/44 internal DAC A/D. The old powermac did a more than passable job, but was also fed by some nice electronics.

Ron, I have to consult with an atty first... know anyone impartial? lol.
What are you trying to say?;)

By the way, in light of the size and easily transportable nature of 1TB hard drives, one could copy a properly tagged FLAC collection of in excess of 1000 CDs onto such a drive and take it with him/her to, say..., a friend's house for immediate copying onto the friend's computer.

Now I'm not advocating such criminal behavior, I'm just sayin'...

fascinating option Ron.... fascinating indeed.

What are you trying to say?;)

By the way, in light of the size and easily transportable nature of 1TB hard drives, one could copy a properly tagged FLAC collection of in excess of 1000 CDs onto such a drive and take it with him/her to, say..., a friend's house for immediate copying onto the friend's computer.

Now I'm not advocating such criminal behavior, I'm just sayin'...


Count me in...I have always gotten my best music from BAAS events when Ron brings along CD's that are to die for. He has enhanced my library

You have to visit Ron's place to appreciate his 'library' ... I stood there staring at it for a few minutes, trying to figure out why they all looked similar ... then he explained. He actually went to the trouble of creating/printing/inserting readable paper labels for each CD, then they are all alphabetized... hundreds and hundreds of them.

Ron is a true music lover.

Ron, I have to consult with an atty first... know anyone impartial? lol.



If you pay me enought I'm sure I can be impartial!!!@@@

Heck, I just PM your question to QQQ, my expert witness, and pass it on to you. Of course my mark up is even more than AV retail. HA!!!


Now if Mark Haflich is your dealer you get free AV advise from an attorney without paying my markup. HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! But you do have to wait from time to time for that oversexed maniac to recover from his latest tryst!!

Steve as an aside why do you use the Lumagen Radience rather than direct to the VP of the Sim2 C3X1080

Anyone seriously considering a c3x 1080 should look at the Titan 1080p 250, it does have an engageable filter that brings it very close to the DCI reference units. It does have the chip convergence accessible to a component level tech too. It also has hd-sdi.

Max.... I guess you must be a Titan dealer and not a Sim dealer

I have access to whatever. In fact I have projectors made to my specifications, two of the same now are going to be at home in one of /if not the largest name in Hollywood. SIM has pleased me for the first time with your projector. I am curious as to how good their dual bulb units may be. DPI has a heritage with xenon projectors. Just last week I was saying how the Titan Reference was not cutting it for me after being spoiled by the DCI units, tonight I changed my mind after loading a custom LUT. There is hope for Uhp projectors.

I don't claim to know more about audio than you, in video "if your eyes could see what I have seen"[Blade Runner] :)I understand why you like that projector, I was the first one to compliment it here. If you were to understand where I am coming from , tip7 rec 709 d65 as experienced ONLY with DCI units, then you would understand that the Titan 1080-250 or reference is a great deal closer in color by design. You may not like it better but it is more accurate, no doubt about it.

Steve as an aside why do you use the Lumagen Radience rather than direct to the VP of the Sim2 C3X1080

Because I am 50-50 with The Bland. I have Theta CB3 and Six Shooter and the Bland would six shoot Theta. But the Bland luvs the Lumagen Radiance and so do I.

The Radiance gives me a better picture with flexibility for DirecTV, hookup to multiple source components both HDMI and analog, easy HDMI switching, thus running only one HDMI to the projector!!!@@@

.... !!!@@@ ... HA!!! ... HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! .... !!

glad you're back to normal :)

I think Queuecumber, who relatively recently discovered that in many instances he prefers vinyl to CD due to compression issues, purchases what are considered to be high end vinyl pressings and immediately burns CDs so as to preserve their initial sound quality.

I should be burning them, but I have been acting like an idiot and not preserving them on the first listen lately... :(

If you prefer a more natural sounding recording, you can sometimes find uncompressed versions of popular albums on vinyl. Also, you can get alternate masters of albums you really love as well, which is addictive in and of itself...

I use a Tascam DV-RA1000HD for recording, it is well worth the price IMO...

I am most curious as to how the Sonos would sound with the data going over coax SPDIF to the DCS dac

It would sound great and the convenience would be astounding.

queue, ron, carl, here are the specs for this sub $20,000 system, if I may post here:
Frequency response
All modes 20 Hz — 20 kHz (±0.5 dB)
at 40 kHz –1 dB (±1 dB) Fs = 88.2/96 kHz
at 50 kHz –3 dB (±1 dB) DSD mode
at 70 kHz –3 dB (+1 dB/–2 dB) Fs=176.4/192 kHz
Total Harmonic Distortion (typical)
PCM, DSD 0.004% (f=1 kHz, AES-17LPF, AD to DA)
Signal-to-noise ratio (typical)
ADC 110 dB (A-weighting, AES-17LPF, DVD recording)
DAC 120 dB (A-weighting, AES-17LPF, DVD recording)
Crosstalk >97 dB, f=1 kHz, AES17-LPF, DVD±RW/HD recording
Click noise <0 dB = –16 dBFS
Difference between channel levels <1.0 dB, 1 kHz, 0 dBFS

Really pretty good specs... 110dB SNR, .004% THD on the ADC can be beaten I suspect by DCS pro audio stuff, but at like 3-5X the price point. This is pretty good stuff... how I would love to try one of these and compare the CD against the vinyl. I many times see that the vinyl is better than the CD, but it's the mastering/engineering that may be the true cause for this, and I sure would love to give the theory a test.
Would be great if one could end up with a CD that creates the magic of the great vinyl recordings... that would be worth the price of this unit.

Any other solutions of this high quality, under $3k?

It would sound great and the convenience would be astounding.

no doubt, but I am comparing to a DCS dac master clocking a transport and that sound is better than great... I would want to at least equal that setup, and I could see rationale for how it could be no difference, but it's all in the jitter outcome.

You could do what I do -- I have my Emm Labs stack in the front of the room and my Sonos sits on top of it. Instead of a hand held Sonos controller, I have installed a Sonos controller on my laptop computer desktop. I have around 2,000 CD's ripped to a hard drive and all 2,000 of them, including a few hundred SACD's are in binders on a bookshelf. When I want to listen to music conveniently while I am working, I play the Sonos through an SPDiF to an Apogee Mini-Dac through balanced IC's to two Levinson 436 Monoblocks, and it sounds great. When I want to do critical listening, I can take a disc out of a binder and play a CD or SACD through the Emm Labs.

The truth?

Weeks go by and I don't play the Emm Labs.

Every day, I listen through the Sonos for hours and hours.

And not just in my listening room.

All over the house.

In the kitchen when I am cooking, in the dining room when we're eating, out on the pool deck, at night as I am falling asleep.....

rsbeck, I grok all of that. But why don't you output the Sono spdif into the EMMLabs dac???

rsbeck, I grok all of that. But why don't you output the Sono spdif into the EMMLabs dac???

I agree

rsbeck, I grok all of that. But why don't you output the Sono spdif into the EMMLabs dac???

I'd love to. I don't see an spdif on the back of the Emm Labs Dac -- am I missing something?

I have the Dac 6 e.

rsbeck, I grok all of that. But why don't you output the Sono spdif into the EMMLabs dac???
T, where did you get such a crazy idea?;)

By the way, I must be getting old... I d/n/k "grok" was a word, let alone a verb.;)

By the way, I must be getting old... I d/n/k "grok" was a word, let alone a verb.;)

It is from Robert Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land." ;)

Since I am at least partly responsible for, in fine AVS fashion, derailing this thread from its original theme, I guess I might as well go full bore. I was listening to Disc 1 tonight and thought I'd share. If anyone here enjoys the blues, this 5 CD box set is a must:

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/33/bc/3c72c060ada0ff6407479110._AA240_.L.jpg

It won a Grammy for Best Historical Album in '04 and amongst its 116 tracks it includes recordings from the early 1900s.

Yes I like the blues... I'll go look for it.

Queue, yes, Ron does plug his Sonos into his EMMLabs, and it sounds fine coming out of his Watt Puppies (they are WPs, right Ron?), so must be possible...

Yes, grok is a popular silicon valley tech word... connotes a more intuitive type of understanding of something complex-ish. I think I got that right.

glad you're back to normal :)

You mean glad I'm back to being my usual abysmal abnormal self???

Ron does plug his Sonos into his EMMLabs...so must be possible...

I wonder what version DAC he has -- I see no spdif on the back of my Dac 6 e.

queue, ron, carl, here are the specs for this sub $20,000 system, if I may post here:
Frequency response
All modes 20 Hz — 20 kHz (±0.5 dB)
at 40 kHz –1 dB (±1 dB) Fs = 88.2/96 kHz
at 50 kHz –3 dB (±1 dB) DSD mode
at 70 kHz –3 dB (+1 dB/–2 dB) Fs=176.4/192 kHz
Total Harmonic Distortion (typical)
PCM, DSD 0.004% (f=1 kHz, AES-17LPF, AD to DA)
Signal-to-noise ratio (typical)
ADC 110 dB (A-weighting, AES-17LPF, DVD recording)
DAC 120 dB (A-weighting, AES-17LPF, DVD recording)
Crosstalk >97 dB, f=1 kHz, AES17-LPF, DVD±RW/HD recording
Click noise <0 dB = –16 dBFS
Difference between channel levels <1.0 dB, 1 kHz, 0 dBFS


Looks like overkill, but I guess overkill is better than underkill. The issue of whether the digital copy is as good as the original vinyl has been beaten to death on Vinyl Asylum. I have as yet to hear a digital copy that sounds as good as the original, but who knows? Must be all that groove scraping and sawing with that tiny rock that does the magic.

Carl, I think also the mind plays a role here... I am sure I would be internally biased towards thinking the vinyl is going to sound better... btw, that is a great way to describe vinyl: "groove scraping and sawing with that tiny rock that does the magic"

i wonder what version dac he has -- i see no spdif on the back of my dac 6 e.
dcc2.

Carl, I think also the mind plays a role here... I am sure I would be internally biased towards thinking the vinyl is going to sound better... btw, that is a great way to describe vinyl: "groove scraping and sawing with that tiny rock that does the magic"

I agree, I definitely have a heavy bias factor going, but its years of digital punishment and analog reward displayed in the fogs of my brain. I have a wonderful digital system, I just don't seem to play it much as long as that turntable is there waiting to go.
Nonetheless, maybe I could start another one of those cool "objectivist" "subjectivist' fights and get this thread s**tcanned.

At CEDIA I had the opportunity to view the SIM2 C3X1080 and several projectors at the Digital Projection booth.... I found both demos awesome. I really liked how Digital Projection displayed 6 projectors..WOW what great projectors. Ron AZ

I agree, I definitely have a heavy bias factor going, but its years of digital punishment and analog reward displayed in the fogs of my brain. I have a wonderful digital system, I just don't seem to play it much as long as that turntable is there waiting to go.
Nonetheless, maybe I could start another one of those cool "objectivist" "subjectivist' fights and get this thread s**tcanned.

my last non relevant (to this thread) reply... Carl I am waiting for the 4 vinyl collection of remastered Led Zepp Mothership to arrive in the mail. Which is good... my DCS DAC is out for service, my Lexi is gone, so my media room is DOWN.

my last non relevant (to this thread) reply... Carl I am waiting for the 4 vinyl collection of remastered Led Zepp Mothership to arrive in the mail. Which is good... my DCS DAC is out for service, my Lexi is gone, so my media room is DOWN.

I already got those the other week! ;)

As well as the Song Remains the Same on vinyl with extras... :)

well just don't stand there queue and tell me you just got this and then give NO clue as to how the remastering came down.... so how's the sound quality???

well just don't stand there queue and tell me you just got this and then give NO clue as to how the remastering came down.... so how's the sound quality???

I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet. :eek: :o

At CEDIA I had the opportunity to view the SIM2 C3X1080 and several projectors at the Digital Projection booth.... I found both demos awesome. I really liked how Digital Projection displayed 6 projectors..WOW what great projectors. Ron AZ

Ron you are always welcome to PM me and come by for a demo of my C3X 1080, too!!!!

For anyone thinking about a Sim2 projector I just wanted to report that after having gone through 3 Sim2 C3X1080 projectors due to faulty workmanship, I am now going on to my fourth one since the one I have now has started showing red sparkles in the black areas after about an hour after turn on.
Gee, I think something might be wrong with their QC.

For anyone thinking about a Sim2 projector I just wanted to report that after having gone through 3 Sim2 C3X1080 projectors due to faulty workmanship, I am now going on to my fourth one since the one I have now has started showing red sparkles in the black areas after about an hour after turn on.
Gee, I think something might be wrong with their QC.

I'm stunned

I'm stunned

And I'm even further convinced to go JVC. This is more than an 'anecdote'.

Is SIM2 owned by Fiat?

Is SIM2 owned by Fiat?

If I wasn't so upset about all this I'd be laughing my head off. That's funny!

For anyone thinking about a Sim2 projector I just wanted to report that after having gone through 3 Sim2 C3X1080 projectors due to faulty workmanship, I am now going on to my fourth one since the one I have now has started showing red sparkles in the black areas after about an hour after turn on.
Gee, I think something might be wrong with their QC.

I had that happen with my first one. Eventually it turned into stuck pixels... :(

Jason at AVS received my projector and checked it last week; the red pixels were more than a pixel off. I had the contrast set wrong, and when he set it correctly, the pixels were off even more than I originally thought.

I don't understand how Sim2 could get my projector in that condition and then send it back to me claiming that nothing was wrong with it. :(

I am curious as to what Jason and Alan have to say about the problems with this PJ inasmuch as there seems to be such anecdotal stories here on AVS and they are sellers of this unit.

It seems that there are way more people on these threads with problematic C3x1080s than problem-free ones. I don't consider that anecdotal. I have to say that I'm with Tzucc all the way on this one (not spending the big bucks on a current projector, but just buying lower down in the food chain more frequently) - and it's not just because I'm a cheapskate!

It seems that there are way more people on these threads with problematic C3x1080s than problem-free ones. I don't consider that anecdotal. I have to say that I'm with Tzucc all the way on this one (not spending the big bucks on a current projector, but just buying lower down in the food chain more frequently) - and it's not just because I'm a cheapskate!

I still consider them anecdotal as IMO the people with the problems seem to be the most vocal. Now that doesn't mean to say there aren't problems nor that you aren't a cheapskate :) but I am still interested what Alan and/or Jason have to say. They seem to be conspicuously absent in the threads involving consumer dissatisfaction:confused:

I'm not really a bona fide cheapskate, just a selective one. I bought the Sony Black Pearl, had it calibrated, and found that for the size of my screen and the light-controlled environment, and my level of fussiness it was just fine. Spent nearly ten times as much on the main speakers because it made more "sense" to me. My wife still thinks I'm nuts though.

Just to play devil advocate many people who post post only about problems, I can't recall to many post just saying my projector is working fine...

I understand what you're saying LJG, but there are a large group who post here that own Sim2 products (ART, Q, SB to name a few) and have had problems. OB has not needed to replace his projector. Could the problems just be anecdotal? Of course. But... has it affected my decision-making? Of course!

Just to play devil advocate many people who post post only about problems, I can't recall to many post just saying my projector is working fine...


My projector C3X1080 is working fine:p....how's that

I'm not really a bona fide cheapskate, just a selective one. I bought the Sony Black Pearl, had it calibrated, and found that for the size of my screen and the light-controlled environment, and my level of fussiness it was just fine. Spent nearly ten times as much on the main speakers because it made more "sense" to me. My wife still thinks I'm nuts though.

you need a bigger screen you cheapskate;)

I understand what you're saying LJG, but there are a large group who post here that own Sim2 products (ART, Q, SB to name a few) and have had problems. OB has not needed to replace his projector. Could the problems just be anecdotal? Of course. But... has it affected my decision-making? Of course!

Good point I myself had an isue also

My projector C3X1080 is working fine:p....how's that

So is mine, and I had one of the first ones. :)

Just to play devil advocate many people who post post only about problems, I can't recall to many post just saying my projector is working fine...

I'd be more than happy to post that my projector is working fine but after going through three and waiting for a fourth it is a little difficult to do.
Besides, for 32k I think they all should work.

It's bad enough to go through so many projectors but now the Sim sales rep won't even call me liked promised. Even the customer service is going down hill.

I'd be more than happy to post that my projector is working fine but after going through three and waiting for a fourth it is a little difficult to do.
Besides, for 32k I think they all should work.

It's bad enough to go through so many projectors but now the Sim sales rep won't even call me liked promised. Even the customer service is going down hill.

It seems that Sim2 has gotten their customer service together finally with some new personnel. Sim2 is flying out a person with a new projector (my fourth) and he will install and calibrate it. I do hope this one works. I do have to give it to Sim for FedEx-ing 2 projectors out to me and now sending someone with another one and installing. Hats off to them in that department.

Guys:

No manufacturing company is perfect and nobody makes every product perfectly 100% of the time, the criteria is how well a company tries to make things right.

Sim2 has made things right for everyone almost 100% of the time.

it seems that sim2 has gotten their customer service together finally with some new personnel. Sim2 is flying out a person with a new projector (my fourth) and he will install and calibrate it. I do hope this one works. I do have to give it to sim for fedex-ing 2 projectors out to me and now sending someone with another one and installing. Hats off to them in that department.

wow!!!!

It seems that Sim2 has gotten their customer service together finally with some new personnel. Sim2 is flying out a person with a new projector (my fourth) and he will install and calibrate it. I do hope this one works. I do have to give it to Sim for FedEx-ing 2 projectors out to me and now sending someone with another one and installing. Hats off to them in that department.

we need to forward this message to Tzucc

No manufacturing company is perfect and nobody makes every product perfectly 100% of the time, the criteria is how well a company tries to make things right.
That certainly is one criterion, but not the criterion. And in some product manufacturing avenues, nothing less than 100% is acceptable, regardless of the manufacturer's best intentions.

It seems that Sim2 has gotten their customer service together finally with some new personnel. Sim2 is flying out a person with a new projector (my fourth) and he will install and calibrate it. I do hope this one works. I do have to give it to Sim for FedEx-ing 2 projectors out to me and now sending someone with another one and installing. Hats off to them in that department.

Excellent news. Keep us updated.

we need to forward this message to Tzucc


See if you can pry him out of the JVC conga line long enough to read it.

Perhaps tzucc can buy a c3x1080 and a JVC. That way he can use the JVC when the C3x is out getting repaired. Just kidding, don't release the hounds.

LOL. tzucc is (still) firmly ensconced in the JVC conga line, and I hope I am somewhere up in front. While Jeffmac's customer service experience is improving, I don't want to spend $25K so that I can host a SIM2 customer rep every month or two to replace a projector (I am exaggerating slightly). These days I am all about reducing hassle and increasing reliability, EVEN at the cost of the last 5% of performance. Maybe it's my getting older, but I just don't want to waste valuable life hours suffering downtime with flaky hardware, even with polite and alert customer service.

The SX-21 has been near bulletproof (I did have a lamp implode early on, and had to send to JVC in LA to thoroughly vacuum the insides) and in these here forums, I never read about JVC's failing.

Plus, and I admit this being 100% Italian heritage myself, that Italian hardware design doesn't necessarily take reliability into account, but it many times about pure performance and/or aesthetics, at the detriment of reliability.

In other words, Maserati vs Lexus. (Maserati oil change is like $2000... Lexus... free?).

ALTHOUGH, Ron Party, you should know that in my recent trip to Italy, our diesel Fiat was bulletproof; it was 'the little diesel that could', chugging five passengers and lots of luggage all over the countryside. I would buy that Fiat here in an instant and ditch my LR3 and will as soon as Fiat restarts business back in the USA.

It would be nice to have a C3X 1080 vs RS20 bakeoff, between Jeffmac's theatre and mine, we're about 10 minutes away from each other. However, I think his screen will be bigger (Jeff how wide is it again in 2.4 mode???) and I think significantly brighter, so not sure it would be a fair horse race.

I would like to state again, I saw nothing in his picture quality to at all complain about, but I don't know what to get picky about either.

It would be nice to have a C3X 1080 vs RS20 bakeoff, between Jeffmac's theatre and mine, we're about 10 minutes away from each other. However, I think his screen will be bigger (Jeff how wide is it again in 2.4 mode???) and I think significantly brighter, so not sure it would be a fair horse race.

I would like to state again, I saw nothing in his picture quality to at all complain about, but I don't know what to get picky about either.

Tzucc,
I think you should stick to what you like. I probably would not have purchased the Sim2 if it were not for my 129" wide 2.4 screen. I might have gone with the JVC if my screen was smaller. I'll look forward to seeing your RS20. That would be fun.

High light output,high ANSI contrast and perfect color has it's place.

Art

High light output,high ANSI contrast and perfect color has it's place.

Art

Exactly and that's why I paid the price for the Sim2 and don't regret it at all.

OT, but there was a thread, maybe this one, in which somebody mentioned Led Zeppelin Mothership on vinyl... got it today... and the sound is quite improved relative to the original vinyl. Getting the same CD's soon so I can compare to CD.

But I immediately thought how absolutely sinful it was that OB has NOT gotten a turntable... talk about money left on the table.

But I immediately thought how absolutely sinful it was that OB has NOT gotten a turntable... talk about money left on the table.
Be careful you are going to get his panties all twisted up!

Be careful you are going to get his panties all twisted up!

Joey you are such a little twit
At least I don't own a billiard hall because .......:rolleyes:

OT, but there was a thread, maybe this one, in which somebody mentioned Led Zeppelin Mothership on vinyl... got it today... and the sound is quite improved relative to the original vinyl. Getting the same CD's soon so I can compare to CD.

But I immediately thought how absolutely sinful it was that OB has NOT gotten a turntable... talk about money left on the table.

I still haven't had a chance to play mine yet... My whole equipment section has been in transition so I haven't had a chance to hook the SME 20/2 back up. :(

I also have the recent re-released James Taylor and ZZ Top albums in waiting as well.

it's not like the recordings are completely healed... I hear some distortion that sounds alot more like clipping in the recording chain than in the actual session... some guitar is just (still) very brittle in Whole Lotta Love, for example. But many other songs sound so much better. Worthwhile.

Joey you are such a little twit

I know, but what would you do without me;):D

Joey you are such a little twit
At least I don't own a billiard hall because .......:rolleyes:

Joey is indeed a "little twit". Such a "little sh_t" - I mean "twit" - can be a friend.

Go to the Theta threads and that Doug Winsor dude. He is a "big twit".

So OB, enjoy your little "twit" Joey, you are so lucky!!!

It's been great for me. Worked great out of the box and not a single issue -- picture looks fantastic!

I am contemplating switching from my G90 to this projector. Anyone done any side by side comparisons to this or other good 9" CRT? I am in a light controlled environment. Would I notice a significant improvement? Should I wait for a newer digital?

I work for a company where we have this on a 12 foot wide 2:40 Stewart CineCurve with the ISCO lens sled and it looks phenomenal. Bright and a ton of pop on that size screen and the detail and clarity is amazing.

Tzucc,
I think you should stick to what you like. I probably would not have purchased the Sim2 if it were not for my 129" wide 2.4 screen. I might have gone with the JVC if my screen was smaller. I'll look forward to seeing your RS20. That would be fun.

Man, what is it with this forum and the JVC kool-aid everybody has drunk? The JVC is great.....for a sub-$10,000 projector. If you can get past that contrast ratio spec and look at actual pictures from projectors, there are plenty of projectors that are quite a bit better if you are willing or able to spend more. Anyone who would opt for a JVC over a C3X1080 is NOT looking at the picture, they're stuck on specs. A C3X1080 walks all over the JVC WHEN LOOKING AT THE PICTURE ON A SCREEN. Try putting the 600 ANSI lumen JVC on a 12 foot wide screen. Enjoy those 4 foot lamberts. The Sim2 on the other hand, has light to spare to go along with its great color, great black level and far superior ANSI contrast.

I had both the RS2 and the C3X1080 in my theater at the same time and my friend and I did a comparison. He preferred the RS2. I preferred the C3X1080 but I have to say that high contrast ratio is very attractive.

Now the NEW version of the C3X1080 will be very interesting as it will have improved contrast.

Man, what is it with this forum and the JVC kool-aid everybody has drunk? The JVC is great.....for a sub-$10,000 projector. If you can get past that contrast ratio spec and look at actual pictures from projectors, there are plenty of projectors that are quite a bit better if you are willing or able to spend more. Anyone who would opt for a JVC over a C3X1080 is NOT looking at the picture, they're stuck on specs. A C3X1080 walks all over the JVC WHEN LOOKING AT THE PICTURE ON A SCREEN. Try putting the 600 ANSI lumen JVC on a 12 foot wide screen. Enjoy those 4 foot lamberts. The Sim2 on the other hand, has light to spare to go along with its great color, great black level and far superior ANSI contrast.

I own a Sim2 Ht380 and as far as image quality I like it better than the Cx1080 and I agree with your comments but to say the 1080 has great blacks is way off the mark. The blacks on the Sim projectors are at best average

I own a Sim2 Ht380 and as far as image quality I like it better than the Cx1080 and I agree with your comments but to say the 1080 has great blacks is way off the mark. The blacks on the Sim projectors are at best average

Thats very interesting and generally goes agaisnt everthing that has been quoted in the past....Curious how CM views the differences between these 2 projectors...He seems to have extensive experience.

BTW you really have thrown a monkey wrench into my thinking process...I guess it best to view as many projectors as you can, and ultimately make the decision based on personal viewing preferences..As show here and other forums, there is no best image or best projector. Just personal preference based on experience.

Joey

Thats very interesting and generally goes agaisnt everthing that has been quoted in the past....Curious how CM views the differences between these 2 projectors...He seems to have extensive experience.

Correct.

I dumped the HT380, and the superior HT3000e, for C3X1080s. Different class of machine altogether. My 380 had the best geometry and sharpness on any PJ I have ever seen, I posted images of that and people agreed, but its still not in the same class as the C3X1080 for image quality. Everyone I have ever spoken to and has seen a C3X1080 would view the the 380 as inferior to the C3X1080.

I don't know how M tested them, or under what conditions, but the notion that the 380 produces a better image is simply not credible. There are a number of C3 owners here who have graduated from single chip machines. Thats not to say that someone wouldn't prefer it, just like some people prefer wildly inaccurate color to a correct image

As someone else replied to a recent similar question of yours, possibly based on viewing OBs machine........

I think the C3X1080 is in an entirely different league than the HT3000e. No contest IMHO

Hi

I have noticed a certain amount of civility when discussing things video in this forum .. This behavior does not usually carry when discussing High End Audio Equipment...

I have often posted here that there is a certain amount of education that goes into any hobby be it gourmet cuisine or Wine or Home Theater. Once one learns to understand what to "look" for there is no going back.. Very similar to the perception of Optical Illusion: once you know what to "see" then you consistently perceive it.
I have begun to understand more and more what to look for in a good video picture. I am light-years away from the level of some here: Art, CM, Darin, CINERAMAX, Alan G to name only these, (there many others) which will make you head spin when you see their discussions on the merits of the Titan or the DPI as compared to the HT5000 or others... meanwhile up to this point I did find the Ruby picture excellent (not anymore sadly, despite a bulb change)... I do not think that the JVC RS20 while a very good machine is comparable to the CX31080P... They are not in the same league... I forget to add... The JVC RS20 will be my next (interim?) PJ

I have noticed a certain amount of civility when discussing things video in this forum .. This behavior does not usually carry when discussing High End Audio Equipment... :confused:There's been a few wars here don't kid yourself:)

I do not think that the JVC RS20 while a very good machine is comparable to the CX31080P... They are not in the same league... I forget to add...

You may be right, but I do not think the jury is out on that one yet, and there are many variables to consider.

Joey

Actually come to think of it here are some of the conflicting comments from different forums:

CRT has been surpassed
CRT is still King
LCOs throws a superior image to DLP
DLp has more punch that LCOS
DLP has great blacks
DLP has bad blacks
Sim 5000 is the KIng of DLP
Barco is the King of DLP
Sim 5000 has inaccurate colors
SIM5000 has extremely accurate colors
CX31080p looks better than the HT5000
HT5000 is much better than CX31080
All LCOS projectors are dim
RS1 LCOS is too bright
RS20 is new leader in front projection
RS20 doesn't compare to CX3
Marantz is one of the best single chip DLP
Marantz has inaccurate colors
OPtix DLP is sensational
OPtix DLP looked bad
anamorphic lens are great
anamorphic lens aren't good
ansi contrast is most important
on/off contast is more important
my girlfriend is pretty than your girlfriend
my Dad can beat up your Dad..........

Sure, but each of those statements is true.....























For somebody.

:confused::D

My girlfriend is definitely prettier than your dad.

Hi

Coming from a Barco Cine 9 to Sony Ruby to JVC HD1 to JVC HD100 to Sim2 C3X1080 to a Sim2 HT5000E.
And never look back.
I found the Sony worse then the Cine 9 and the JVC in some areas less and some areas better.
The biggest problem with the JVC for me is motion blur and color accuracy.
The difference between the JVC and C3X1080 is big and for me well worth the extra money.
Also the 5000 is a step up wards but less big then from the JVC to the C3X1080.

Rob

Hi

Coming from a Barco Cine 9 to Sony Ruby to JVC HD1 to JVC HD100 to Sim2 C3X1080 to a Sim2 HT5000E.
And never look back.
I found the Sony worse then the Cine 9 and the JVC in some areas less and some areas better.
The biggest problem with the JVC for me is motion blur and color accuracy.
The difference between the JVC and C3X1080 is big and for me well worth the extra money.
Also the 5000 is a step up wards but less big then from the JVC to the C3X1080.

Rob

Now try the DPI Titan Reference and enjoy experiencing the definition of WOW. You have no idea how much better than the 5000.

Anyone seriously considering a c3x 1080 should look at the Titan 1080p 250

I was considering a TITAN 1080-250 over a Sim, but even the "baby" 1080-250 TITAN is significantly more expensive than a Sim C3X. I am sure it is much more stunningly betterer as a result though :)

Sean

Now try the DPI Titan Reference and enjoy experiencing the definition of WOW. You have no idea how much better than the 5000.

Peter, have you no good grace whatsoever. Why do you feel the need to defecate on someones joy of ownership. Your reply is totally out of context to the post and the thread

Lets apply that same thinking to your machines, here goes..........



Now try the DCI content and enjoy experiencing the definition of WOW. You have no idea how much better those under performing Barcos would look.

A DCI unit with no DCI content is like a car with no wheels. Without said content, based on my direct experience, they are simply outperformed by the better HT units.

Peter, have you no good grace whatsoever. Why do you feel the need to defecate on someones joy of ownership. Your reply is totally out of context to the post and the thread

Lets apply that same thinking to your machines, here goes..........



Now try the DCI content and enjoy experiencing the definition of WOW. You have no idea how much better those under performing Barcos would look.

A DCI unit with no DCI content is like a car with no wheels. Without said content, based on my direct experience, they are simply outperformed by the better HT units.

You wish you could see one of our modded barcos (two things you have not seen a Barco do with- a $25-32k contrast mod and a $6k custom gamma curve). All you have proven is to have used some fake Interpol credentials to commandeer a movie theater to conduct your own experimentations.

I was addressing my point to someone who seems open minded about projectors enough to change his mind as quickly as needed.

I have no beef with the c3x 1080 at it's price point it's quite a set. I do have a serious beef with the HT5000 it is totally creamed by the DPI units for 3 years now over more than a dozen shows. I detest it's greenish hues on highlights. As recently shown at the Stewart Booth last CEDIA this set's color turns BUGGER GREEN on occasional highlights, the Runco VX-22 it's true DELTA brethren does the same thing but towards some deformed Sepia. Don't like or accept any sort of enthusiasm over such video mediocrities.

You guys could be sitting there yelling WOW at the picture quality of the TITAN projectors but nauwgh, all these paid endorsements get on the way of logical decision making.

I have recently had the chance to turn on and off the second lamp on some really great BD content with the s-shaped gamma set TR (planet of the Apes 1968, speedracer, Indiana Jones, Thunderball, Kung Fu panda) and I ask myself why could no one (including DPI) put on a show like this at cedia. Maybe the DNP screen is no so bad after all. I am sorry if you can spend 100,000 in a sound system then you need a zoomed ar TR with s-shaped gamma not a c3x-1080 with an Isco.

I have been too gracious to all of you in not emphasizing enough the above post, a fact that could have guided Rob Dinguen down a higher path he is in now.

Come on boys.....I have grown fond of both Peter and CM posts...as well as probably many others and I have no favorite. So I will call this one like I see it.

I think maybe CM jumped the gun on this one...since ROB has shown a propensity to upgrade often...but Peter you really are overcompensating and after recently speaking to an owner of an HT5000 (who is OCD about everything and is a perfectionist) claimed the HT5000 is nothing short of breathtaking. He also stated to me that he would of considered the Titan, but felt a little uneasy about having you come to install and calibrate it. SOOOOOO..... calm down man your losing sales!!


Joey

All you have proven is to have used some fake Interpol credentials to commandeer a movie theater to conduct your own experimentations.

As you are fully aware, I have tested and used DCI machines in ideal domestic environments. I was fortunate enough to be able to test cinema based DCI units but most were those vile Sony POS.
My fake Interpol ID was simply used to obtain free coke and nachos.

I have no beef with the c3x 1080 at it's price point it's quite a set. I do have a serious beef with the HT5000 it is totally creamed by the DPI units for 3 years now over more than a dozen shows. I detest it's greenish hues on highlights. As recently shown at the Stewart Booth last CEDIA this set's color turns BUGGER GREEN on occasional highlights, the Runco VX-22 it's true DELTA brethren does the same thing but towards some deformed Sepia. Don't like or accept any sort of enthusiasm over such video mediocrities.

Peter, we both know thats crap, as do many others who have pointed it out. Enough with the green hump BS,the only green hump around these parts is the one on your back. You only need to go back to last year and see the old Titan 250, what a total piece of junk.
It was described here by someone on AVS I trust totally as a glorified data machine. I saw it and it certainly was a dog turd. I know things have changed and the new units are generally regarded as exceptional. The TR is on my shortlist of 3 units to be tested. Best image gets installed irrespective of all other considerations.

You guys could be sitting there yelling WOW at the picture quality of the TITAN projectors but nauwgh, all these paid endorsements get on the way of logical decision making.

I'm totally lost on that one.

I am sorry if you can spend 100,000 in a sound system then you need a zoomed ar TR with s-shaped gamma not a c3x-1080 with an Isco.

Peter, you know well enough the C3/ISCO is not my main unit, so the comparison with the TR is rather misleading. It was the 5k you had the beef earlier. The C3 and the TR are not even remotely competing for the same $. Get real with the zooming, even the makers of the TR say its shite and don't recommend it.

PS if that's a quote for the audio, you certainly get the job.