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WilliamR
08-11-08, 03:21 PM
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37863

AICN EXCLUSIVE!!

What Wasn't Hurling Dan Vasser Through Time?? Series Creator Kevin Falls Reveals The Secrets Of JOURNEYMAN!!

Because NBC cancelled “Journeyman” after only 13 episodes, viewers never learned who or what was sending startled newspaperman Dan Vasser back and forth through time on his mysterious missions, or why.

This was a problem. Kevin Falls, who came up in the TV business writing for “Sports Night” and “The West Wing,” was new to science fiction when he created “Journeyman,” but the time-travel drama quickly attracted rabid fans aplenty.

When the episodes stopped airing, many wanted very much to know the secrets of “Journeyman,” and what future episodes would have held for Vasser.

Back in late December, Falls answered via e-mail all of AICN’s questions on the matter. But because there was a writers strike at the time, and no one was yet certain if “Journeymen” creators would be permitted to produce episodes beyond the 13 NBC had already aired, we were asked not to reveal the secrets of Falls’ “Journeyman” playbook until he was certain the small-screen adventures of Dan Vasser had come to an end.

That time, sadly, has come.

Who or what was sending Dan on his sudden missions into the past? Was it God? Nature?
KEVIN FALLS: Let’s just say it was too specific and grand to be science or government.

Would we ever learn?
We would have led you to the water's edge and let you figure it out. The later conflict of the show was going to lie with those people who were trying to find the cadre of travelers. Would they try to manipulate them for their own self interests? [Recurring FBI agent] Richard Garrity was coming back for sure. We also were aiming for a series ending where the key people Dan helped through the course of the season would figure in a Rube Goldberg-inspired climax. Not quite on the level of save-the-world like “Heroes,” but something with some scope.

Did Livia [Dan’s ex-fiancée, who turned out to be a time-traveler herself, from 1948] stay so long in her future and romance Dan because The Powers That Be meant for her to act as his mentor?
Initially. And her mission was to get Katie and Dan together. At first we were going to do it because we wanted [Dan’s son] Zack to have some traveling power (to the immediate future) but felt that was too genetic like in [the novel] “The Time Traveler’s Wife.” We really ran away from anything derivative. Anything that harkened back to other TV shows was coincidental.
Does Livia's story mirror that of Evan [the time-traveling mental patient at the center of the final episode]? Did she decide to pull out of Dan's life [by faking her own plane-crash death] to facilitate a mysterious greater good?
We kept going 'round and 'round about that. We felt that Livia was keeping some secret from Dan that was huge and tragic.

Why could Livia only go forward from her native era? At some point (when Livia dies maybe?), would Dan suddenly start moving into the future as well?
We just thought it would be cool to give them each a specific and separate gift and we liked the tragi-romantic notion of them cursed to never live in their respective presents.

Would Dan have met the elderly 2008 Livia in the first season?
Yes. Absolutely. She was alive. Many of the fans projected that and they were right.

Did we ever learn what did Livia did for a living in 1948?
We were going to have her in law school and her husband being threatened by that. And maybe the husband would try to take advantage of her gift.

Did Livia use future technology to further her finances?
I think we know what happens when you do stuff like that. There's blowback, like in Episode Nine. They can only make money to help them survive in their travels.

So she didn’t "invent" the radar range or the UNIVAC or The Clapper?
That was Evan. He was smart that way. One scene that kept getting cut out of the pilot and episode 9 was Dan needing cash in the past and gambling on some well-know bowl game. But it got cut for time and I still regret it.
Were Dan and Evan born during the same comet pass in 1972?
People shouldn't get too locked into the comet thing. That was just one theory.

Are The Powers That Be necessarily a force for good?
I think the end game was for the good. We wanted to explore some darker themes early on, but our ratings dictated otherwise. I wanted Dan to have to shepherd a hit man through his life to kill someone. It would really f*** Dan up, but there'd be a bigger reason for it. Sort of like life (not the TV show) we would have done it [late in the first season].

Was it not irresponsible of the The Powers That Be to snatch Dan away while his car in was in drive?
What Dan came to learn is that he better adjust his life to fit the TPTB and not the other way around. And he did.

Non-Vassers never seem to see the time-travelers vanishing or appearing unless they're supposed to. Can one assume this is somehow by The Powers That Be's design? Are they that omniscient?
You know, the idea of the white light was more to help with transitions. But the idea was that the believers got to see it. We used a little more than I wanted later, to be honest. But the strike limited my input toward the end. In fact, I'm blown away by the response the last two shows got. We had to rush them before the strike. I did my rewrites on both the weekend before we walked. I was lucky Tracy McMillen, Aeden Babish and Matt McGuinness did such a good job on the first drafts of their episodes. But we could have used a couple more coats of paint. But thank God I had my co-EP Alex Graves minding the store.

Would a future storyline deal with Dan erasing the government's knowledge of his ability?
Why not?

Did Dan himself tell a young [Livermore Labs tachyon expert Elliot] Langley about his ability decades ago, around the time that photo of Langley posing with a preteen Vasser was taken?
No. But I think Langley was on to Dan at a very young age.

The season finale would have brought together some if not all of the characters Dan saved -- to do what?
Well, it was going to be a plague, but then “Heroes” did that. When we were told “Heroes” was doing it, they suggested we change ours. No way we were going to win that one. We would have come up with something, but remember, I could read the tea leaves in mid-October. I decided then, let's think in terms of 13 [episodes].

What else was ahead for Dan, Katie, Livia, Jack and Jack's hot girlfriend? How many of the [never-shot] final nine episode storylines had you worked out before the strike?
Katie and Dan were going to split up for a while. [Dan’s brother] Jack and Dan were going to live together and then Dan and Katie would get back together. Livia was going to die in episode 20. Dan was going to save her in 21. And in 22, Dan would come back to his house in the present like he did in the pilot and someone else would be living there. Katie and Zack would be gone and this time Dan would have no idea how to get his family back. And then we'd start season two. I'm getting depressed thinking about it. This staff was so f****** smart. We would have just gotten better. You know, I'm not bitter toward NBC as much as I am the mainstream critics who collectively dismissed us without giving us a second look. I think when we went out we were doing some of the best TV out there. And I’m so grateful that the on-line community embraced this show, actually got the show and ended up being the wind in our sails for the second half of the season.

I spot zero prior sci-fi in your filmography. Have you always quietly harbored an interest in the genre or was it more that NBC herded you toward it in the wake of its success with "Heroes"?
You're right about that. Nothing in my resume, nor did I watch any sci-fi. But not because I turned my nose up at it. Quite the opposite. I didn't think I was smart enough to understand it. My brothers were big sci-fi fans and I always sort of envied them for it. (My brother Mat is one of the founders of Sideshow Collectibles.) I was a big sports nut as a kid and was sort of the outsider. But I have a deep respect for the genre and think shows like “Battlestar” filled the void left by shows like “The West Wing” as it applies to social commentary. And the same rules apply to sci-fi as they do to more traditional dramas -- rich characters and compelling stories.

So putting you into sci-fi was NBC’s idea?
No, my agent Marc Korman suggested time travel after he heard that ABC was looking for a show in that genre. I pitched “Journeyman” to ABC (the best pitch I've ever given) and they passed. NBC was the last place we went. If they would have passed, I would have been on “Shark” another year.
I found the genre so liberating and challenging. We got to use time travel as a prism to comment on marriage and infidelity, sibling jealousy, lust, etc. I like to try different things. I don't know if I'd do another sci-fi show, but I wouldn't close the door on it either. I like to mix things up. I liked “Studio 60” a lot, but maybe [series mastermind Aaron Sorkin] should have done his unique take on a cop show or something different. By the way, he’s not done with TV, yet, and we’ll be the better for it.

Ron Temple
08-11-08, 03:34 PM
Interesting read...I miss Journeyman...bummed that we won't get to see some of those plotlines. It was going to get even more complex.

Jeff Whitford
08-11-08, 03:38 PM
Thanks for posting that.

dave-137
08-11-08, 03:46 PM
JOURNEYMAN was a good show don't know why it got cancelled :[

HappyFunBoater
08-11-08, 04:03 PM
What?! That didn't tell me much! It didn't even answer the title of the thread - "What was causing the jumps". Sounds like there isn't an answer because they were making it up as they went.

EDIT: To the OP: I wasn't shooting the messenger; just the message.

stephenC
08-11-08, 04:43 PM
Hey, if there are any executive producers at the SciFi channel reading this, maybe SciFi could pick up Journeyman. Might be another Stargate franchise for you.

josephmckinney
08-11-08, 04:51 PM
Thanks for the info. I was a big fan of the show and will definitely miss it.

archiguy
08-11-08, 04:58 PM
What?! That didn't tell me much! It didn't even answer the title of the thread - "What was causing the jumps". Sounds like there isn't an answer because they were making it up as they went.

EDIT: To the OP: I wasn't shooting the messenger; just the message.

The title of the article/thread is misleading because he didn't reveal much of anything, certainly not what was causing the time jumps. They may well have had something in mind, but they certainly didn't reveal it in that article. And, since the series has been canceled for good, it sounds like whatever the "Big Concept" was, he wants to keep it in his pocket for a future endeavor and/or doesn't want someone else to use it in their high concept time travel series.

BWX
08-11-08, 05:10 PM
I HD DVR'd every single episode and watched them all.. It was a great show. That stupid strike messed a lot of things up.

When he said his birthday I had to rewind and listen a few times, and show my wife-- That was MY birthday- to the day! My younger bro was born on my birthday 4 years later, in 1976. Weird sh!t! And I never get to find out why my birthday is so important to time travel? How can I go on?

VisionOn
08-11-08, 06:28 PM
The title of the article/thread is misleading because he didn't reveal much of anything, certainly not what was causing the time jumps. They may well have had something in mind, but they certainly didn't reveal it in that article. And, since the series has been canceled for good, it sounds like whatever the "Big Concept" was, he wants to keep it in his pocket for a future endeavor and/or doesn't want someone else to use it in their high concept time travel series.

Bear in mind those questions were answered in Decemeber before the strike ended and the show's fate was still up in the air. If he had told AICN something more specific it might have leaked out and ruined the show long term or represented a direction they had to change when they came back from the hiatus.

Flambe
08-11-08, 06:35 PM
I thought this was a good show, and I was sad to see it go. Thanks for sharing.

pianoman41
08-11-08, 08:55 PM
It was one of the best shows last year and it just goes to show that the vast majority of Americans would rather watch pretty women open suitcases than use their brains to follow a compelling story line.

HappyFunBoater
08-11-08, 10:08 PM
Bear in mind those questions were answered in Decemeber before the strike ended and the show's fate was still up in the air. If he had told AICN something more specific it might have leaked out and ruined the show long term or represented a direction they had to change when they came back from the hiatus.

Ah. I see. That would explain the lameness. The fact that the post said something about the show being cancelled and now being the time to answer some question, I just assumed... Well, I hope he spills the beans now.

wmcbrine
08-12-08, 02:01 AM
I thought he answered it clearly: They intended it to remain mysterious. That's a perfectly valid choice, and a good one.

vanilla rice
08-12-08, 02:16 AM
Bear in mind those questions were answered in Decemeber before the strike ended and the show's fate was still up in the air.

yes, but the thread title was done yesterday

bicker1
08-12-08, 06:00 AM
I thought he answered it clearly: They intended it to remain mysterious. That's a perfectly valid choice, and a good one.Makes sense to me.

petergaryr
08-12-08, 07:07 AM
I was both happy and sad to read the information. Happy that some questions were answered, but sad at what could have been. Too bad no other outlet was able to pick this one up.

igreg
08-12-08, 08:13 AM
Appreciate the post! Interesting that you edited the writer's languge. AVS Forum would have censored it?

Given the loyal following, why not a DVD set? That would be the perfect medium for Falls to explain the show in the extras. For a couple months, you could have obtained the episodes directly from NBC.com for free. You can still watch/obtain the episodes for free at:

http://www.hulu.com/videos/search?query=JOurneyman

Livia or Katie. Who would be your choice? I'll give a slight nod to Livia. Actually I liked Livia better on the show than when I saw her in interviews. She seemed to have a more sensual aura in the show.

slowbiscuit
08-12-08, 08:14 AM
Yes, indeed. A great show that started slowly but was reaching it's stride and then got lost in the fallout of the strike. But it should have been picked up by Sci-Fi.

WilliamR
08-12-08, 08:36 AM
Appreciate the post! Interesting that you edited the writer's languge. AVS Forum would have censored it?

I didn't want to offend anyone.

WilliamR
08-12-08, 08:38 AM
I think he clearly answered it. He specifically stated that it was to large to be scientific or government. The only other options are God or Aliens. And since the question specifically asked if it was God and they said it wasn't either of the above, it only leaves God. Not sure why you guys think it wasn't answered.

archiguy
08-12-08, 08:44 AM
I think he clearly answered it. He specifically stated that it was to large to be scientific or government. The only other options are God or Aliens. And since the question specifically asked if it was God and they said it wasn't either of the above, it only leaves God. Not sure why you guys think it wasn't answered.

Ummmm, because it wasn't answered, your theory aside. There's an ironclad rule of logic that says you can't prove a negative. There was never anything in the show - nothing - to indicate any religious underpinning of the prime concept of why they are time traveling. And what an all-time cheat that would be! God did it? You've got to be kidding. That's the ultimate McGuffin. :rolleyes:

The title of this thread should be edited to reflect the truth of what wasn't in that interview.

replayrob
08-12-08, 08:51 AM
Was really sad to see Journeyman get axed last fall. Guess we'll never know if it would have survived without the writers strike. As pretty much agreed upon by the vast majority of fans... the series started off slow but hit it's stride with excellent episodes near the end of the run. I think it could have been exceptional with a full season of development under it's belt.
I'm really down on NBC this year... the canceled Journeyman, canceled Las Vegas and they decided on a split final season for Battlestar Galactica :mad:

VisionOn
08-12-08, 09:09 AM
I think he clearly answered it. He specifically stated that it was to large to be scientific or government. The only other options are God or Aliens. And since the question specifically asked if it was God and they said it wasn't either of the above, it only leaves God. Not sure why you guys think it wasn't answered.

The only thing it really revealed to me was that the creators really did watch a lot of Quantum Leap.

CPanther95
08-12-08, 09:25 AM
I think this quote:
I think the end game was for the good. We wanted to explore some darker themes early on, but our ratings dictated otherwise.

shows the futility of coming up with any real long term specifics. If ratings/viewer response (or conflicts with other NBC shows) are influential in determining the course of the show, then "winging it" or "figuring it out as you go along" isn't laziness on the part of the creator or writers - it's deliberate and necessary.

VisionOn
08-12-08, 09:46 AM
If ratings/viewer response (or conflicts with other NBC shows) are influential in determining the course of the show, then "winging it" or "figuring it out as you go along" isn't laziness on the part of the creator or writers - it's deliberate and necessary.

I think the show creators have only themselves to blame for Journeyman's failure precisely because they sounded like they were winging it. Apart from the pilot I thought the first half of the run was exceptionally dull and dragged out. Recycling old time travel cliches and plot devices. It wasn't until the arc started to appear and the traveling plot was brought to the front that the show picked up. By then it was too late.

The same thing happened with Invasion. Almost nothing happened for half a season and it didn't have the weekly story content to keep the standalone episodes interesting. The viewers bailed long before it started to get good. I was fast forwarding through a lot of the early episodes of that.

They should have mapped out a 12 episode mini-chapter and used every episode to get there. I think it's a necessary evil of television now. Learn to close the book early and make every episode work towards the end of a mini-arc.

MasterWick
08-12-08, 10:21 AM
They should have mapped out a 12 episode mini-chapter and used every episode to get there. I think it's a necessary evil of television now. Learn to close the book early and make every episode work towards the end of a mini-arc.

Sadly, I really think this is true in today's TV world. I will sorely miss Journeyman. Heck, I even still have it listed as a season pass hoping for a miracle. I guess now I can delete it.

tonycsmoke
08-12-08, 12:05 PM
It was a great show and I was sad to see it cancelled. The ending was brilliant.

There have been a couple of suggestions that Sci-Fi pick it up. I think the problem with that is that it was very expensive to make. Sci-Fi has a limited budget and I think it would be out of their ballpark.

The problem with shows like this is that they take a little investment and waiting for the payoff. This is something that most people don't want to do. Of course, that being said, two of the biggest shows in the last few years have been Heroes and Lost. I'm not sure how Heroes made it, yet Journeyman didn't.

slowbiscuit
08-12-08, 12:33 PM
The show didn't have to be expensive to make, most of it was set scenes and very little special effects stuff. They could've had Sci-Fi pick it up and it would've been way better than most of the schlock they throw up every week.

VisionOn
08-12-08, 12:37 PM
I'm not sure how Heroes made it, yet Journeyman didn't.

Pacing. Heroes did something cool every week with almost every character and usually ended on a great scene like the autopsy table.

Journeyman slogged along through some leap of the week storylines and domestic arguments for about 5 episodes like it was afraid to be Sci-fi. I can remember exactly when this show really grabbed me. It was the two parter when it messed around with time travel, paradoxes and consequences and showed it's SF roots.

tonycsmoke
08-12-08, 01:08 PM
The show didn't have to be expensive to make, most of it was set scenes and very little special effects stuff. They could've had Sci-Fi pick it up and it would've been way better than most of the schlock they throw up every week.

You would think that it wouldn't be expensive, most of the actors were unknown. But I read that it was a pretty expensive show to make. Maybe something to do with recreating different time periods. Maybe something to do with filming in San Fran. If you remember, Jericho was expensive to make and they had only a couple of sets. They could have picked any little town and it would have cost them "peanuts":)

WilliamR
08-12-08, 03:10 PM
Ummmm, because it wasn't answered, your theory aside. There's an ironclad rule of logic that says you can't prove a negative. There was never anything in the show - nothing - to indicate any religious underpinning of the prime concept of why they are time traveling. And what an all-time cheat that would be! God did it? You've got to be kidding. That's the ultimate McGuffin. :rolleyes:

The title of this thread should be edited to reflect the truth of what wasn't in that interview.

If it was was to large for government or religion, what else is there? It was to large. He is saying it has to be some higher power/force. It is to large for any of this. He clearly answered it for me. Sorry you do not see it.

bicker1
08-12-08, 03:23 PM
The show didn't have to be expensive to make, most of it was set scenes and very little special effects stuff.And salaries: Kevin Falls, Alex Graves, Paul Redford, etc., as well as Kevin McKidd, Moon Bloodgood, etc.

archiguy
08-12-08, 03:42 PM
If it was was to large for government or religion, what else is there? It was to large. He is saying it has to be some higher power/force. It is to large for any of this. He clearly answered it for me. Sorry you do not see it.

The show was not titled "Touched By A Journeyman". While you may be right, I'll wager he had something a little more....secular....in mind. What that is, I don't know and he is apparently not inclined to reveal it, probably for reasons I stated in an earlier post.

One would suppose that when he designed the show and pitched it to the Network, that would be something they'd like to know (as opposed to him walking in and telling them he was just going to wing it and an explanation will eventually come to him). But there wasn't anything at all in the show to indicate a religious explanation to the character's time traveling. Not. One. Thing. If that's your "answer", you're basing your conviction on proving a negative which can't be done. Glad it's working out for you.

HappyFunBoater
08-12-08, 03:51 PM
If it was was to large for government or religion, what else is there? It was to large. He is saying it has to be some higher power/force. It is to large for any of this. He clearly answered it for me. Sorry you do not see it.

Heck, as long as we're all guessing what he meant...

He's says it's too big for goverment or science. (I'm not sure how ANYTHING can be too big for something as vague as "science", but I'll accept his statement.) So two other choices, not to say that there aren't others, are aliens or supernatural beings. And obviously the concept of god or gods would fall in the latter category. I think the problem in your logic that led you to think that he clearly answered it was that you somehow eliminated aliens and assumed one specific god in the supernatural category. And of course there are plenty of different gods: Zeus, Thor, super-evolved (transcended) humans, Flying Spaghetti Monster, the god of Christians, etc. So if you meant supernatural beings when you said "God" then I'd tend to agree with you that that's probably what he was hinting at.

VisionOn
08-12-08, 03:53 PM
One would suppose that when he designed the show and pitched it to the Network, that would be something they'd like to know (as opposed to him walking in and telling them he was just going to wing it and an explanation will eventually come to him). But there wasn't anything at all in the show to indicate a religious explanation to the character's time traveling.

Taking that into account though he could have just walked in and said " a remake of Quantum Leap with domestic drama" and they rubber stamped it based on his credentials and Reilly being more willing to take some chances with programming.

Quantum Leap is a great example of a show that made it up as it went along. They clearly had no real clue as to the reason behind everything beyond the accelerator going screwy during an experiment. The pitch for that probably didn't need much explanation and when Quantum Leap started it had no religious overtones either but that all changed when Sam met "God" in a bar during the "sabbatical" episode.

IrmoGamecoq
08-13-08, 08:47 AM
Just found this thread and read the article. It was interesting but didn't really tell me much other than a few ideas on what they had planned.

Agree with the earlier poster though that I still have it as a "season pass" on my DVR as some sort of hope for renewal. I know it's not going to happen though.

And btw, on the question of Kate or Livia...sheesh, it's not even close. Livia all the way baby. :D

slowbiscuit
08-13-08, 10:57 AM
I think he clearly answered it. He specifically stated that it was to large to be scientific or government. The only other options are God or Aliens. And since the question specifically asked if it was God and they said it wasn't either of the above, it only leaves God. Not sure why you guys think it wasn't answered.No, it also leaves aliens and whatever else you can dream up. And I agree with archiguy, the thread title is misleading.

slowbiscuit
08-13-08, 11:00 AM
And btw, on the question of Kate or Livia...sheesh, it's not even close. Livia all the way baby. :D+1.
That girl was on fire in the show. :D

BWX
12-07-08, 02:24 AM
WTF.. why was his birthday the same as mine? That freaked me out man!

bobby94928
12-07-08, 10:38 AM
I HD DVR'd every single episode and watched them all.. It was a great show. That stupid strike messed a lot of things up.

When he said his birthday I had to rewind and listen a few times, and show my wife-- That was MY birthday- to the day! My younger bro was born on my birthday 4 years later, in 1976. Weird sh!t! And I never get to find out why my birthday is so important to time travel? How can I go on?

WTF.. why was his birthday the same as mine? That freaked me out man!

So, you bring up a 4 month old thread to repeat yourself??? WTF, indeed.

BWX
12-08-08, 07:06 PM
So, you bring up a 4 month old thread to repeat yourself??? WTF, indeed.

Actually I moved and haven't even set up my own PC yet... I haven't been doing much on-line for months. I figured since I DID NOT get an answer, maybe someone found out why since then.

Is there another " 'Journeyman' on NBC - Answers finally revealed - what was caused the jumps" thread? I did not look.. I guess if I started another one you would scold me for not posting the question in this thread too??

Maybe you just need to chill TFO? :rolleyes:

bobby94928
12-08-08, 07:55 PM
Did you really expect an answer to a question of why a fictional TV program used your actual birth date?

Using the world population today there are over 18 million people that were born on your birth date. They had to pick a day, just live with it and enjoy it in the process.

I'm chillin', I use Dr. Scholl's.... :)

BWX
12-08-08, 08:57 PM
I'm chillin', I use Dr. Scholl's.... :)

LOL..



Did you really expect an answer to a question of why a fictional TV program used your actual birth date?

Using the world population today there are over 18 million people that were born on your birth date. They had to pick a day, just live with it and enjoy it in the process.


Yeah this is the Internet and this is a widely viewed forum..

I seriously think someone out there knows why. In the show it said something about a comet, but that was vague.. I am pretty sure there are a lot of people out there that have somehow found out or figured out why they used that date.

It's not that big of a deal, but neither is that show or this forum.. so I see no harm in bumping the question once in a while. :) To me it is interesting for obvious reasons.

stephenC
12-09-08, 10:18 AM
BMX - Maybe you should check with the head writer of the series. According to IMDB, Kevin Falls would be the Executive Producer and he also co-wrote many of the episodes. Good luck.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0266468/