I guess my previous thread got nuked. Anyway, it finally appeared on my 722 so I watched it last night. I have to say it looked and sounded fantastic on my 720p 50 inch Panny Plasma. There was tons of action, explosions, fire etc. and I saw no no macroblocking. Definitely up there with the HD-DVDs I've seen. Detail, contrast and color were all first rate IMO. Well worth $2.99, I just wish they'ld let you keep it longer than 24 hours.

I sometimes use the Panny's audio outs straight to my preamp when I don't care about DD 5.1, and for some reason this didn't work, (HDMI out of the 722 into the Panny and audio outs of the Panny to high level in on my 2 channel preamp). This movie deserves 5.1 of course, so it was no big deal, it was interesting that the Panny would not pass the 2 channels signal. I just used the 722's optical out into my DD5.1 processor and it worked fine.

Was it shown in it's Original Aspect Ratio of 2.35:1??

Nope. It was 16:9.

Thank you for the report.

Well, looks like I won't be ordering any 1080p VOD movies from Dish.

The customer on the phone doesn't want an explanation of OAR. They want to know why their BluRay-quality 1080P movie isn't "foolscreen"

Is a horrible OAR "HD" presentation of a movie better than a stunning non OAR presentation? I can see crappy OAR movies all the time. This thing looked like HD-DVD to me.

Is a horrible OAR "HD" presentation of a movie better than a stunning non OAR presentation?

Yes.

Has ANYONE been able to view this movie at 1080p on a Sony set? I have an A3000 and it says my set is incompatible. Called Dish and they said I needed to contact Sony. WTF ??? My set is 1080p/24.

Is a horrible OAR "HD" presentation of a movie better than a stunning non OAR presentation?

The vast majority of OAR "HD" presentations are not "horrible". So your comparison isn't even valid. And yes, I'd rather watch a less than stellar OAR movie than a "stunning" non OAR. Dish won't even get $0.50 from me for their absolutely stupid policy of non OAR PPV HD movie or VOD.

And spending $6+ (what they will charge in the future) or their butchered non OAR 1080p VOD movies is completely out of the question. Dish is incredibly stupid. You and J6P who think they want full screen will still buy VOD OAR. But those who enjoy movies and want OAR will not purchase the 1080p non OAR VOD movies. Dumb, Dish, just dumb.

The vast majority of OAR "HD" presentations are not "horrible". So your comparison isn't even valid. And yes, I'd rather watch a less than stellar OAR movie than a "stunning" non OAR. Dish won't even get $0.50 from me for their absolutely stupid policy of non OAR PPV HD movie or VOD.

And spending $6+ (what they will charge in the future) or their butchered non OAR 1080p VOD movies is completely out of the question. Dish is incredibly stupid. You and J6P who think they want full screen will still buy VOD OAR. But those who enjoy movies and want OAR will not purchase the 1080p non OAR VOD movies. Dumb, Dish, just dumb.

I prefer OAR, but there is absolutely no correlation between video quality and aspect ratio in my experience. It was a $2.99 experiment, it looked better than anything I've seen over a Sat before and I enjoyed it much more than the the typical bitstarved OAR (or non OAR) crap available on my ten or so movie channels. Whoopee!

I had no idea what the OAR of Legend was before I viewed it - it certainly didn't looked "zoomed" - was I supposed to look that up beforehand and wring my hands and pout during the film when it turned out to be non OAR? Maybe I should have spent half an hour ranting on the phone to Dish trying to explain to some foreign customer service agent the importance of preserving the director's artistic vision and demanded my $2.99 back. Silly me, I turned the lights down, the DD5.1 up and enjoyed the hell out of a scary movie with a room full of appreciative kids.

We get the point, you're a purist and a clearly superior person for it.

Dish's HD PPV has been 16:9 forever. I would expect their POV to be so as well. Believe me, they do better with it being open matte or zoomed. The true OAR purists will watch it on HD DVD, Blu-Ray, D-Theater?, Showtime, HDNet Movies, MGM, Voom or Starz.

I have the Blu-ray version, so I won't be getting this one.

non-OAR or OAR? It doesn't matter that much to me BUT it wouldn't bother me to have a good non-OAR version rather than a OAR version with logos plastered on it. I spend most of my TV time at MGM HD since they don't push their logo into the 2.35 frame like everyone else does. I'm going to have anything worth watching on BD anyway and I will just have to live with the way things are broadcast for now.

anyone else like me still waiting for I Am Legend 1080p to show up on CH 501? I look all the time, lots of movies on CH 501 but not I Am Legend

anyone else like me still waiting for I Am Legend 1080p to show up on CH 501? I look all the time, lots of movies on CH 501 but not I Am Legend

I've heard quite a few others having the same issue. You are not alone. But believe me, once you get it listed does not mean that you will be able to get it.

Is a horrible OAR "HD" presentation of a movie better than a stunning non OAR presentation? I can see crappy OAR movies all the time. This thing looked like HD-DVD to me.

Yes. Demand a refund.

The vast majority of OAR "HD" presentations are not "horrible". So your comparison isn't even valid. And yes, I'd rather watch a less than stellar OAR movie than a "stunning" non OAR. Dish won't even get $0.50 from me for their absolutely stupid policy of non OAR PPV HD movie or VOD.

And spending $6+ (what they will charge in the future) or their butchered non OAR 1080p VOD movies is completely out of the question. Dish is incredibly stupid. You and J6P who think they want full screen will still buy VOD OAR. But those who enjoy movies and want OAR will not purchase the 1080p non OAR VOD movies. Dumb, Dish, just dumb.

If I hear one more elitist OAR snob refer to "Joe Six Pack," well I'll do nothing, but it upsets me. That term is so demeaning and condescending. I buy 12 packs.

But seriously folks, hasn't anybody opened up their big fat wallet and actually viewed this thing? I only got to see it once, and on a 720p Panny plasma, but I really think it looked as good as most of my HD-DVDs. BTW, Netfix is still supporting HD-DVD, how weird is that?

One final note to all you OAR evangelists. There are a lot of causes out there, many of them possibly a tad more important than the "all OAR all the time" cause. Maybe you could direct some of your passion in a direction that would help some "normal" people out.

I attempted to order this movie so as to compare it with the Blu-Ray edition. When I connected the 722 directly to my MITS 73833, I was able to receive it. I could not receive it when the HDMI connection was made via my DENON 4806 AVR. The same was true after I download the movie. Playback was good by direct HDMI to the MITS, but no good via the DENON. Indeed after attempting to view via the DENON I had to reboot the 722 to view anything with the 722. When watching the movie the MITS indicating that it was receiving 1080p.

As far as viewing the movie. The PQ was fine, but the audio had continual dropouts, more of a "garbled" type of sound.

I called DISH technical and the CSR said I was the first to call in about 1080p. He said that one of the other CSRs had tried it at home and experienced the same audio symptons that I had. He put me on hold, and came back to say that a fix is coming, but it may not be sent out for awhile and then not to all DVRs at the same time.

The DENON experience is interesting since I watch BLU-ray from my PS3 via the DENON, and the MITS indicates 1080p.

I attempted to order this movie so as to compare it with the Blu-Ray edition. When I connected the 722 directly to my MITS 73833, I was able to receive it. I could not receive it when the HDMI connection was made via my DENON 4806 AVR. The same was true after I download the movie. Playback was good by direct HDMI to the MITS, but no good via the DENON. Indeed after attempting to view via the DENON I had to reboot the 722 to view anything with the 722. When watching the movie the MITS indicating that it was receiving 1080p.

As far as viewing the movie. The PQ was fine, but the audio had continual dropouts, more of a "garbled" type of sound.

I called DISH technical and the CSR said I was the first to call in about 1080p. He said that one of the other CSRs had tried it at home and experienced the same audio symptons that I had. He put me on hold, and came back to say that a fix is coming, but it may not be sent out for awhile and then not to all DVRs at the same time.

The DENON experience is interesting since I watch BLU-ray from my PS3 via the DENON, and the MITS indicates 1080p.

The audio was perfect for me via the 722's optical out into my processor. When the main guy's watch alarm went off I actually thought it was my own watch going off. Several times everybody in the room jumped during suspense filled, quiet scenes punctuated by loud noises. But as mentioned in my first post, I got no audio at all via HDMI. I called several times starting on the 12th and even had a "tech ticket" generated about this issue.

The audio was perfect for me via the 722's optical out into my processor. When the main guy's watch alarm went off I actually thought it was my own watch going off. Several times everybody in the room jumped during suspense filled, quiet scenes punctuated by loud noises. But as mentioned in my first post, I got no audio at all via HDMI. I called several times starting on the 12th and even had a "tech ticket" generated about this issue.

I hate to admit I never thought to check the optical out to my Denon. My Bad.:mad:

how are you getting a 1080p signal from dish?

i have dish and have watched the ppv movies and the ones i've seen are certainly not 1080p, not even 1080i but something like 920i - in other words hd lite.

i just wish dish sent out a decent broadcast signal so i could enjoy my 1080p set

If I hear one more elitist OAR snob refer to "Joe Six Pack," well I'll do nothing, but it upsets me. That term is so demeaning and condescending. I buy 12 packs.

But seriously folks, hasn't anybody opened up their big fat wallet and actually viewed this thing? I only got to see it once, and on a 720p Panny plasma, but I really think it looked as good as most of my HD-DVDs. BTW, Netfix is still supporting HD-DVD, how weird is that?

One final note to all you OAR evangelists. There are a lot of causes out there, many of them possibly a tad more important than the "all OAR all the time" cause. Maybe you could direct some of your passion in a direction that would help some "normal" people out.

Oh please, spare me!

Let me just say that it seems OK for you to refer to OAR enthusiasts as "elitist OAR snob", but it's not OK to use Joe 6 Pack. Hypocrisy is alive and well in your world.

And it's very sad when someone believes that those who prefer to watch movies as they were intended to be seen are "elitist" and "snobbish". Very sad. I won't tell you what I think of those who enjoy filling their screen at the expense of altering a movie.

Oh please, spare me!

Let me just say that it seems OK for you to refer to OAR enthusiasts as "elitist OAR snob", but it's not OK to use Joe 6 Pack. Hypocrisy is alive and well in your world.

And it's very sad when someone believes that those who prefer to watch movies as they were intended to be seen are "elitist" and "snobbish". Very sad. I won't tell you what I think of those who enjoy filling their screen at the expense of altering a movie.

Right on. My unscientific survey (Memory) of Forum posters is that the vast majority are "OAR or Die".

My unscientific survey (Memory) of Forum posters is that the vast majority are "OAR or Die".
ha. nice.

I attempted to order this movie so as to compare it with the Blu-Ray edition. When I connected the 722 directly to my MITS 73833, I was able to receive it. I could not receive it when the HDMI connection was made via my DENON 4806 AVR.

I have a Mitsubishi 57732 (57" Medallion from the previous year). It accepts 1080p24. I have a Harman Kardon AVR-247 in between my 622 and my display. Dish said my set was incompatible connected directly to my display and (of course) with my AVR in between. I send 1080p24 via my HD DVD and Blu-Ray players. My display doesn't even need to be forced.

I'm glad it worked for you.

Sorry to dig up an older thread, but how does VoD work with E*? I just had E* installed on Friday afternoon, and when I hit "DVR" then "Movies & More", no movies were showing up.

I have heard it takes a minimum of 24 hours for movies to appear on there, is that true? Finally this morning, "Doomsday" showed up on there, but nothing else. Is it finally starting to update? How many movies are usually on that VoD list? Also, can I still watch "I am Legend" for $1.99 IF it ever shows up on there? Thanks!

I do not believe there was no macroblocking when things got moving.
That would be something else.
Especially fi they can at somepoint show all movies OAR.

Sorry to dig up an older thread, but how does VoD work with E*? I just had E* installed on Friday afternoon, and when I hit "DVR" then "Movies & More", no movies were showing up.

I have heard it takes a minimum of 24 hours for movies to appear on there, is that true? Finally this morning, "Doomsday" showed up on there, but nothing else. Is it finally starting to update? How many movies are usually on that VoD list? Also, can I still watch "I am Legend" for $1.99 IF it ever shows up on there? Thanks!

Unlike PPV, Dish actually puts the DOD movie on your hard drive when your reciever is idle. Paying the fee unlocks the movie for 24 hours. You have to wait until they get around to it. It could take a week or so.

Unlike PPV, Dish actually puts the DOD movie on your hard drive when your reciever is idle. Paying the fee unlocks the movie for 24 hours. You have to wait until they get around to it. It could take a week or so.

That may be a bit unfair. It was ready for viewing within minutes after I ordered it.

You are right about the 24 hour window. E* even furnished a clock counting down the time remaining for viewing.

That may be a bit unfair. It was ready for viewing within minutes after I ordered it.

You are right about the 24 hour window. E* even furnished a clock counting down the time remaining for viewing.

If you were able to order it, it was already on your hard drive.

Unlike PPV, Dish actually puts the DOD movie on your hard drive when your reciever is idle. Paying the fee unlocks the movie for 24 hours. You have to wait until they get around to it. It could take a week or so.

Wait, I think you guys are confused. I was talking about movies showing up on the list to rent. I haven't rented anything yet.

No movies showed up on the "available" list, so I couldn't rent anything. Then Doomsday showed up the next day as an available movie, but it was the only one. Now, almost a week later, there are only 4 movie choices on there. Is that normal? How many movies are usually available to rent?

I think the whole OAR or non-OAR comes down to 2 questions.
1. Do you like your movies in HD (1920x1080) or do you like your movies in SD?
2. Do you like to watch on a 50" screen or would you rather have that converted into a 25" screen.

Until they start encoding video as 2538x1080 and producing tv's that are 2538x1080, 1080p and OAR should not be used in the same sentence. I wish all movies were in 16:9. What is next you buy a 2.35:1 TV only for the producer to chose 3.5:1?

Wait, I think you guys are confused. I was talking about movies showing up on the list to rent. I haven't rented anything yet.

No movies showed up on the "available" list, so I couldn't rent anything. Then Doomsday showed up the next day as an available movie, but it was the only one. Now, almost a week later, there are only 4 movie choices on there. Is that normal? How many movies are usually available to rent?


Since this thread is about 1080p on E* I assume that is what you mean. Thus far only one movie at a time in 1080p has been offered. It is on Channel 501 and is currently "10,000 B.C." for $2.99.

As an aside, the remaining movies for rent are also listed as being on Channel 501.

If no "rental movies" are appearing I would call customer service.

The fact is that although resolution is the hottest marketing term these days, it isn't anywhere near the top of the list of priorities for videophiles.

I used to say this all the time before Blu-ray or HD DVD was even around, when I preferred to watch DVDs over HBO HD. The reason was simple, I prefer an OAR movie with dynamic sound and NO signs of macroblocking; to a higher resolution, cropped, normalized movie with backgrounds that move when they aren't supposed to.

But hey, I know everyone doesn't share my priorities, which is great, just don't try to convince me to share yours.

bdraw: I would say a good 90% of Forum members are with you on the OAR front.:)

I think the whole OAR or non-OAR comes down to 2 questions.
1. Do you like your movies in HD (1920x1080) or do you like your movies in SD?
2. Do you like to watch on a 50" screen or would you rather have that converted into a 25" screen.



You're not going to get very far with arguments that are grossly absurd and bizarrely exaggerated.

But, you already know this, correct?

Wait, I think you guys are confused. I was talking about movies showing up on the list to rent. I haven't rented anything yet.

No movies showed up on the "available" list, so I couldn't rent anything. Then Doomsday showed up the next day as an available movie, but it was the only one. Now, almost a week later, there are only 4 movie choices on there. Is that normal? How many movies are usually available to rent?

I have eight,all on 501 which I think is the maximum. Legend 1080p is gone BTW and I don't have 10,000BC yet. Is it $2.99 or the regular price?

By the way 10,000 BC isn't worth it if Dish paid you to watch it. It's THAT bad.

I think $2.99 is half price.

anyone besides audiomagnate wanting to give a review of the pq and aq of this 1080p service from e*?

anyone have a review of how speed racer looks?

I watched Speed Racer over the weekend. I thought the PQ was outstanding. There are a lot of audio/video breakups though. When a breakup occurred I hit the back button and rewatched it and it was usually ok second time around.

I think the whole OAR or non-OAR comes down to 2 questions.
1. Do you like your movies in HD (1920x1080) or do you like your movies in SD?
2. Do you like to watch on a 50" screen or would you rather have that converted into a 25" screen.

Until they start encoding video as 2538x1080 and producing tv's that are 2538x1080, 1080p and OAR should not be used in the same sentence. I wish all movies were in 16:9. What is next you buy a 2.35:1 TV only for the producer to chose 3.5:1?
:eek::eek::eek: I can't believe what I am reading. Blasphemy! You sir would be voted off the island if this were Survivor. :D

I watched Speed Racer over the weekend. I thought the PQ was outstanding. There are a lot of audio/video breakups though. When a breakup occurred I hit the back button and rewatched it and it was usually ok second time around.

ok, thanks for the reply.

i thought i'd give it a try and order it and get a message that my set is incompatable. weird. i have a 1080p sony xbr2 and 622 dish box. what am i missing?

anyone besides audiomagnate wanting to give a review of the pq and aq of this 1080p service from e*?

anyone have a review of how speed racer looks?

I DVRd "I Am Legend" from Cinemax West and it doesn't look even close to what it looked like on DOD 1080p, IMO. I'm going from memory, but there is no way I would confuse this with an HD-DVD, unlike the DOD version. There are those pasty looking skin tones, minor motion artifacts, washed out colors etc that we've come to expect from "regular HD." Oh, and BTW, it's 16:9.