We at undigitize wanted to get an idea of how many of the members that frequent the Ultra Hi-End HT Gear own only analog or digital sources, or if you own both? Thank you for your votes!

http://www.undigitize.net

How does the undigitize process work? That information is proprietary - but we can tell you that we do not use reverb and EQ, or CD copying and disc treatments, like others that have attempted our goals prior to us.

Can you say anything about this process?

Nah. I'll tell you something when you tell us something.

I think this might be better on audio asylum.

I think this might be better on audio asylum.Or out on the street.

Nah. I'll tell you something when you tell us something.

Exactly. :rolleyes:

That depends on what source I’m running. last week I showed a neighbour a very rare PAL analogue Star Wars pan & scanned laserdisc pressed in (1982) and I forgot at first to switch from digital to analogue due to no PCM encoding on the early laserdisc LOL.

He was rather impressed if not a little too excited. I told him the mix will be somewhat different with the later version in digital PCM with its wider stereo and lesser crosstalk. Again he was wowed and getting too excited.

I then played the (2004) DVD edition and he was wetting himself with excitement as the star destroyer thundered overhead.

So its best of both worlds because you never know when you need them.

Analog all the way man! I love the _organic_ nature of the images and sound. I despise the cold, hard, sterile nature of digital (all those bits with their sharp pointy edges). I have gone completely retro in my quest for the ultimate analog experience. I run an RCA SelectaVision CED player using a composite video output into an original 1975 Advent VideoBeam CRT projector with a 7-foot diagonal 10x gain curved screen (4:3 aspect ratio, of course!). The stereo audio from the player is pumped into an all-tube stereo amplifier to a pair of vintage Advent speakers (figured I'd stay within the brand). For audio only I play LPs on a belt-drive turntable and also a reel-to-reel tape machine (man, I just love threading tape). Analog heaven.

Seriously, this is just my long winded way of telling the OP to take a flying leap. Look elsewhere for your market data.

Based upon the web site, I get to spend $50 (that would be FIFTY) for a single CD that may or may not sound better than the original. Where is my green pen?

WC Fields would love this company!!!!

I never cease to be amazed !!!

http://www.undigitize.net



Can you say anything about this process?

10 bucks says there's a DAC somewhere in there.

We at undigitize wanted to get an idea of how many of the members that frequent the Ultra Hi-End HT Gear own only analog or digital sources, or if you own both? Thank you for your votes!


All you want is us to shell $50 per CD so your process can "undigitize" it!
Probably a take on the "teleport" tweak where you call in a number and your sonics are better.

Moderator, you may want to delete this thread as a shrill attempt at self-promotion.

All you want is us to shell $50 per CD so your process can "undigitize" it!
Probably a take on the "teleport" tweak where you call in a number and your sonics are better.

Moderator, you may want to delete this thread as a shrill attempt at self-promotion.

Agree because it has SPAM written all over it!:(

I use both.

Wow, tough crowd! I love it ;)

We at undigitize wanted to get an idea of how many of the members that frequent the Ultra Hi-End HT Gear own only analog or digital sources, or if you own both? Thank you for your votes!

Is this process in any way patented?
Can a copy of your disc be made or you lock it?
Will the bits be numerically identical to the disc sent in?

I use both professionally everyday and prefer both throughout the recording/engineering/mastering process. At this point, couldn't do it without the digital, wouldn't want to do it without the analog. This hybrid approach is how most records you reference to are produced in the top end of the music biz these days. Unfortuneately this gear costs stupid amounts of money.

Thanks,
Ted.

Here's the studio
www.upstairsproductions.com

From the Undigitize.net FAQs:



Why have I been banned?

Should we feel it is necessary, we will have informed you of the reasoning of your ban. If not, it is likely due to your character in some nature. We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

This is an interesting business model. I own/run a more traditional brick n' mortar retail operation. I wonder how posting a similar sign near my front door might effect my traffic? :rolleyes: I'm also left to wonder if a flaw in my character could adversely effect my perception of the proprietary "Undigitize" process?!? :confused: Things that make you go hmmmm...

Happy Trails!
Vince@Freewheelcycle.com

From the FAQ:

Why do you use black CD-Rs, and not gold or some other type?

Based on our experiments with many different CD-R types, we have found that black CD-Rs best capture the qualities of analog. Black CD-Rs also most closely recreate the quality of original digital masters, in our experience. If you would like us to experiment with a different type of CD-R or to use for your order, feel free to contact us.
I'd like to try a purple one please.

And to Mark Rubin, no, PLEASE don't delete the thread. We need a little entertainment here once in a while. I am however willing to compromise. You can close this thread if you reopen the thread you so rudely closed by Vahalla PC looking for the best sounding bed. That could have been an all time classic with Valhalla posting whispering videos to youtube showing how he treated his bed and you had to ruin it :).

I vote to sack this thread too,in sacrifice for resurecting the bed thread. I was planning on comparing a bed of nails to my tempurpedic to see if it would image better and all...

Both can sound good and bad due to:

1) Recording
2) System setup=cd and vinyl setup
3) Speakers-Type of speakers truly dictate a lot of how we assess the value of one vs. the other.
4) Room acoustics

For the majority that will not have the speaker/room/etc. setup that makes studio recordings on cd sound like live music, vinyl through a good vinyl rig will flat out spank a cd through a good cd rig...

vinyl through a good vinyl rig will flat out spank a cd through a good cd rig...


Spank in what way? More cozy warmth caused by massive distortion?

Spank in what way? More cozy warmth caused by massive distortion?

Audioexcels

I totally agree with your observation. Even though I am all digital and like to think that I have a darn good digital rig, NIN74's comments are far fetched and without any personal listening experience.

Sorry oneobgyn, I call total BS on this:
For the majority that will not have the speaker/room/etc. setup that makes studio recordings on cd sound like live music, vinyl through a good vinyl rig will flat out spank a cd through a good cd rig...
Sorry, nonsensical. So if I have an OK room and OK speakers, vinyl is going to sound better. But if I have a great "speaker/room/etc", CD can hold it's own? And I have some great farmland in Florida.

If vinyl sounds better, it would do so regardless of the room and system. The only relevant variable is vinyl versus the CD player, nothing else is changing. The only possible exception would be that since CD can reproduce deeper bass (I know vinyl aficionado's will claim otherwise in spite of all evidence to the contrary), there could be more low bass interaction in a room with CD, and in that sense the room comes into play.

Sorry oneobgyn, I call total BS on this:

Sorry, nonsensical gibberish. So if I have an OK room and OK speakers, vinyl is going to sound better. But if I have a great "speaker/room/etc", CD can hold it's own? And I have some great farmland in Florida.

If vinyl sounds better, it would do so regardless of the room and system. The only relevant variable is vinyl versus the CD player, nothing else is changing. The only possible exception would be that since CD can reproduce deeper bass (I know vinyl aficionado's will claim otherwise in spite of all evidence to the contrary), there could be more low bass interaction in a room with CD, and in that sense the room comes into play.
QQQ
what you say certainly makes sense however there is indeed something wonderful about a good analog setup

the undigitize site is so uninformative it borders on a test for the stupid. Basically their model seems to be bottom fishing and see if anyone bites, on the theory that 0.5% of all visitors are suckers and will believe anything.

yeah, I vote to let undigitize provide lots of entertainment trying to pitch this 'product'.

p.s. for the benefit of undigitize market survey, I have all three of digital, analog and digalog.

QQQ
what you say certainly makes sense however there is indeed something wonderful about a good analog setup
I am not saying there is not, that's not what I am disagreeing about :).

We at undigitize wanted to get an idea of how many of the members that frequent the Ultra Hi-End HT Gear own only analog or digital sources, or if you own both? Thank you for your votes!

This is a joke...right???:confused: I send you $50 via Paypal...I send you...insured of course...my Britny Spears CD...And I get back a recorded CD-R??? You keep my original??? Pretty bad scam just to get your own collection of music and be paid for doing so...If it wasn't so pathetic I might actually be offended that you would think anyone here is stupid enough to fall for your scam...

Of course if you are serious I apologize...I will send you a Nigerian check in the amount of $50,000 and you just send me back the difference minus a 5% fee you may keep for yourself...Oh yeah...and the $50 to undigitize my CD...:rolleyes:

Audioexcels

I totally agree with your observation. Even though I am all digital and like to think that I have a darn good digital rig, NIN74's comments are far fetched and without any personal listening experience.


Without any personal listening experience? :confused:
Why do you make up stuff you clearly don't know anything about? 85% of my listening for the past 20 YEARS have been vinyl. 90% of my collection is vinyl. So why do you make up stuff like this is beyond me.

It is rather easy so prove that CD is more transparent than vinyl. But I love my vinyls and some do sound very good (better than the badly mastered CD version)

I love this thread like I love watching a traffic accident as I slowly drive by...

i vote we close it an reopen the one with the guy who claimed their new driver (manga or something like that i recall) totally rewrites all knowledge in sound reproduction...

From the FAQ:

Quote:
Why do you use black CD-Rs, and not gold or some other type?

Based on our experiments with many different CD-R types, we have found that black CD-Rs best capture the qualities of analog.

And it more closely resembles a tiny analog LP or a 45 with a smaller hole.
Of course black is by far the best choice.

I have a red LP by Timothy Leary but it doesn't sound as good as it used to. I'm quite positive that the only reason this can be is that audio copied in red will lose "dimensionality" over time. What else could it be?
Black sound quality lasts far longer. Had Leary had this red LP pressed in black instead, without a doubt it would still sound the same even today.
It's a fact!

What is wrong with you people? :mad:

And it more closely resembles a tiny analog LP or a 45 with a smaller hole.I had also thought of that reasoning but you expressed it so much better than I could have...;)

I had also thought of that reasoning but you expressed it so much better than I could have...;)

Well, that's a first.
Nobodys ever accused me of that before!
Thank You. :D

vinyl through a good vinyl rig will flat out spank a cd through a good cd rig.

That is silly and contradicts this sensible observation:

Both can sound good and bad due to:

1) Recording
2) System setup=cd and vinyl setup
3) Speakers-Type of speakers truly dictate a lot of how we assess the value of one vs. the other.
4) Room acoustics

That is silly and contradicts this sensible observation:

How DARE you be sensible?!! :D

Hi

I listen to both and have found myself listening to more digital than analog and this by a long shot... i travel a lot and most of my listening is through digital... Then even when I am not taveling I listen to digital but once in a while I take a vinyl and drop it on the platter... a singular experience, akin to enjoying an old rare wine or a great cigar ( I understand the feelings but do not smoke cigar or drink much wine) ... Listening to analog is a special occasion.. and to me it sounds better than digital and my digital rig is top notch, easily amongst the best there are... while my analog is very good but not over the top good... Uh? Where do I vote?

We apologize for the delay in our reply, as we have been swamped with orders! Thank you for those that voted!

We had no intention of marketing, and the last time we visited this was a friendly thread with only voting to our poll. We only wanted to see where the state of the high-end industry currently is. This is why we did not provide a link to our site. If Mr. Winsor would please remove the link, we would be appreciative!

Unless the group says otherwise, we would prefer to answer any questions you may have by email, and leave the thread to its original polling purpose, with responses like Mr. Frantz M's above.


10 bucks says there's a DAC somewhere in there.

If you are truly serious, then your wallet would end up $10 lighter. Donate it to a noble charity if you like.

We had no intention of marketing, and the last time we visited this was a friendly thread with only voting to our poll. We only wanted to see where the state of the high-end industry currently is. This is why we did not provide a link to our site.

If you truly just wanted to find out the info regarding the poll then you could have posted under another username. Using Undigitize as the username really makes your intentions dubious and more of the same B.S. Unfortunately, the bait you left was much to obvious. Sort of like trying to catch a mouse by putting a piece of cheese in the middle of the floor, in the afternoon , while standing above it with a mallet.

We ain't no dumb mouses!!

Cheers
Joey

If you truly just wanted to find out the info regarding the poll then you could have posted under another username. Using Undigitize as the username really makes your intentions dubious and more of the same B.S. Unfortunately, the bait you left was much to obvious. Sort of like trying to catch a mouse by putting a piece of cheese in the middle of the floor, in the afternoon , while standing above it with a mallet.

We ain't no dumb mouses!!

Cheers
Joey

Hey Joey, we agree!

We apologize for the delay in our reply, as we have been swamped with orders!



Thanks to your "free" plugs you started no doubt throughout internet forums.

What a bunch of crap.

If Mr. Winsor would please remove the link, we would be appreciative!

Wow, I was called Mister.

Unless the group says otherwise, we would prefer to answer any questions you may have by email, and leave the thread to its original polling purpose, with responses like Mr. Frantz M's above.

Do you have any reasonable explanation for why your "product" works?

Undigitize you could prove us all wrong by sending a black CDR and an original disk to one of the forum members "FREE OF CHARGE" and have them listen on their high end system to disern any differences.

That would be the cheapest and best way to promote your product!!

If it worked:rolleyes:......you would get honest praise from members. Owning a restaurant I often have customers try new products before releasing them to he general public. Given the lost cost to so this...it makes sense.

Remember some of the members (my self included) have spent big $$$ on speaker cables that have been proven not to work. If you don't take up this low cost option (under $25.00 for disk, shipping, black CDR) then your magic act should probably perform elsewhere.

Any takers on sampling this product?

Joey

www.metrobilliards.com

If you truly just wanted to find out the info regarding the poll then you could have posted under another username. Using Undigitize as the username really makes your intentions dubious and more of the same B.S.

While this is a very good idea - one we thought of, mind you - you may wish to read the Forum Rules. Rule #6: "You may not post to the site under multiple User ID's.* If it is found that you are doing so, action will be taken including, but not limited to, account suspension or banning of all affected or applicable User ID's." We know you could be in the kitchen helping to create new products for your customers to try, so thank you for your thoughts and opinions!

Oh I guess you missed the other half of my post:rolleyes:

Is there any rule which states you can't send a potential customer one of your products for a free demo?

If you are truly serious, then your wallet would end up $10 lighter. Donate it to a noble charity if you like.

Happily. Take a picture of your rig with a sheet of paper saying, "jmichaelf owes me 10 bucks!" next to it. I'll take a picture of a $10 check to the Gates Foundation.

If I were trying to replicate vinyl, the first thing I'd do is set up some of blend between the channels, then add a touch of EQ. I've even talked to a few electronics firms about creating a 'vinyl emulator' for their CD players. But Meridian Trifield does a great job of doing this and a used Meridian preamp is less expensive than this process if you have more than 20 CDs.

Sorry, I know I should join the 'kill the shill' crowd, but on a serious note, I can imagine that if you could figure out how to make a CD sound like vinyl (cheaply), you'd make good money in licensing agreements.