Ok i will list all of my information here:

i want "american engineered" speakers
2 floorstanding
2 minis for the rear
1 center
1 sub

receiver i will be hooking it up to:
denon 1909 vs pioneer 1018

room size: about 12x12

music is more important to me than movies

budget: can't really justify spending over 1k on 6 speakers

i hate the sound of polk and klipsch

i like definitive but it seems the only ones in my rage are book shelf speakers

Ok i will list all of my information here:

i want "american engineered" speakers
2 floorstanding
2 minis for the rear
1 center
1 sub

receiver i will be hooking it up to:
denon 1909 vs pioneer 1018

room size: about 12x12

music is more important to me than movies

budget: can't really justify spending over 1k on 6 speakers

i hate the sound of polk and klipsch

i like definitive but it seems the only ones in my rage are book shelf speakers

If you are looking for a quality American engineered speaker that will excel at music, I strongly recommend spending more than $1000 for the set. You aren't going to find a good quality American made speaker set in that price range, IMO. On the other hand, if you are willing to up your budget or start with a very good 2.1 setup, I recommend Salk Sound. Their Song Tower's are the best speaker I've heard under $3000.

Another brand recommendation is Selah Audio. I haven't heard their stuff (yet), but they do use quality parts and their engineers have a good reputation. Finally, check out Era speakers. I think they are all American, but I am not positive.

A solid 2.1 setup will blow away a cheap 5.1 setup, for what it's worth. I recommend starting with 2.1 or 3.1 and building from there. YMMV.

Good luck.

sounds like a good idea, however i look at speakers like definitive... and 2 floorstandings will cost me over 1k just for those u know that's kinda high imo

also since i am basically set on floorstanding for the 2 fronts am i going to need a receiver w/ more power?

plus where can i buy these speakers or audition them near ohio

can't really find much other then there main sites which i can't see too much price references

in other words... what floorstanding speakers that are engineered in america and probably made in asia would pair best w/ these receivers ... i am under the impression buying 1200 dollar speakers wouldnt be necessary for my room size ( 13x13 )... and the receiver seems like it has to have a certain price cap for the price range it is in on speakers im guessing

im tempted to buy 4 sony floorstanding speakers for the price of under 300...plus a 10% coupon because i ACTUALLY did move unlike half of u who scam the post office of their coupons for legitimate movers like myself

anyways u know those sc5000 or whatever the model number is xxx something 5000 or 6000

good price but would these be good or are they just cheap wannabes

im tempted to buy 4 sony floorstanding speakers for the price of under 300...plus a 10% coupon because i ACTUALLY did move unlike half of u who scam the post office of their coupons for legitimate movers like myself

anyways u know those sc5000 or whatever the model number is xxx something 5000 or 6000

good price but would these be good or are they just cheap wannabes

If you can audition the Sonys and happen to like them, nothing wrong with that.

But majority of people here would not recommend Sony since they're more well-known as an electronics company and not as a speaker company.

im trying to kill off my addiction to HT by just putting together a nice 5 year system or so until i get married and get a house ( currently living in an apt w/ my gf ) so this is just my 13x13 setup for movies and music

basically bang for my buck w/ one of these 2 receivers: pioneer 1018 or denon 1909

Bite the bullet and buy a 2.1 with Martin Logan Floors. They will sound great with a Denon or Pioneer and sound amazing with music.

If you are only in a 13 x 13 room, then you do not need 200 watts per channel, you will fill it easily with 100 watts per channel. A 2.1 Denon will be cheaper than a 5.1 anyway

Infinity Primus for your price range. Although with such a small room you likely don't need floorstanders and the dimensions of your room are the worst for good 2 channel listening.

Go to a Magnolia/Best Buy to audition these and you should fall in love. They will last 20 years or so and will be versatile enough to fill a 20 x 20 living room when you and your girl get a place.

IMO, the best bang for your buck is quality that will last you a lifetime. You can buy the Sony's and blow them in two years, or spend a little more and never have to buy a floor standing speaker again.

LSA speakers are designed by Larry Staples and top models are built by John Tucker in Washington State(Exemplar Fame). The basic line is manufactured in China and they are beautiful with a rosewood cabinet and top of the line binding post. They make monitors, towers and LCR's for center, on wall surrounds are coming. These are the same as the Vob Schweigert VR-1's and the Music Direct omd-1's. The signature and statement lines are built by John Tucker himself.

http://www.thelsagroup.com/#

if i put 2 book shelf speakers on the floor next to my entertainment center would that sound crappy... wouldnt i want them higher off of the floor

thinking of picking up a couple or 4 of those definitive promon 800s

and possibly making my own sub box for a JL car audio subwoofer and just get a separate amp and use it as a home sub

bookshelf/monitor speakers are meant to be used at ear level. So yes, you would want to mount them on the wall or set them on a shelf.

The JL deal sounds good but it is questionable how the sub will sound in a home setting. You can purchase a Polk PSW10 for only $130 some places. This is a 10" woofer that will be able to do the job in a 12 x 12 room. I recommend it for that budget.

I had this sub for a couple years in a bedroom and it was a good start for my budget.

American designed and American built: Elemental Designs (http://www.edesignaudio.com/index.php)

Using their package builder you can get 2 front tower speakers, 2 rear bookshelf speakers, a center channel speaker and nice sub for ~$1100. Use bookshelves up front and you would come in under $1000 for the entire 5.1 system.

most people can see where i am coming from though right.. the american speakers part... that and the furniture are about the only things in my home theater setup that are from my country which i would love to support especially with the rut our country is in now

where can i go scope these babies out at... ianick

A solid 2.1 setup will blow away a cheap 5.1 setup, for what it's worth. I recommend starting with 2.1 or 3.1 and building from there.
Nuance has this right.

also since i am basically set on floorstanding for the 2 fronts am i going to need a receiver w/ more power?
It would be best to go with more power if choosing full range floorstanders in a 2.0 or 3.0. You would not want to under power full range speakers. But that's not what Nuance recommended, and neither do I. For the receivers you are considering, you're better off with a 2.1 or 3.1, which includes a subwoofer. You would set the crossover to 45Hz or 60Hz so the receiver can better drive the front speakers while the subwoofer handles the lower frequencies. The Velodyne VX10 for about $175 shipped with a pair of mains would be an excellent option.

A better option than under powering full range floorstanding speakers is to buy smaller speakers (put on stands) that go down to about 45Hz to 60Hz and add a subwoofer. Alternatively, you could buy a more powerful receiver with a pair of full range floorstanders. However, it's usually less expensive to get better sound from a 2.1 than it is a 2.0.

I'm just trying to help...

most people can see where i am coming from though right.. the american speakers part... that and the furniture are about the only things in my home theater setup that are from my country which i would love to support especially with the rut our country is in now
Yes, I do and most probably do too.

Nuance has this right.


It would be best to go with more power if choosing full range floorstanders in a 2.0 or 3.0. You would not want to under power full range speakers. But that's not what Nuance recommended, and neither do I. For the receivers you are considering, you're better off with a 2.1 or 3.1, which includes a subwoofer. You would set the crossover to 45Hz or 60Hz so the receiver can better drive the front speakers while the subwoofer handles the lower frequencies. The Velodyne VX10 for about $175 shipped with a pair of mains would be an excellent option.

A better option than under powering full range floorstanding speakers is to buy smaller speakers (put on stands) that go down to about 45Hz to 60Hz and add a subwoofer. Alternatively, you could buy a more powerful receiver with a pair of full range floorstanders. However, it's usually less expensive to get better sound from a 2.1 than it is a 2.0.

I'm just trying to help...


Yes, I do and most probably do too.

ok fine truce?

no more hatred between me and u :D

u can unblock me off ur ignore list too so i can pm u :D

another problem i'm getting is lots of advice on speakers to buy but no where to go and test them out and see if i like them...

like i heard of elemental, paradigm, velodyne

the audio retail business sucks these days... so many speaker companies w/ so little amount of stores that offer a good selection

********** has their new ELT line out. It is American engineered and south american built. Worth a look.

ok fine truce?

no more hatred between me and u :D

u can unblock me off ur ignore list too so i can pm u :D

You let me know if you would like more help from me regarding your speakers, and I will. But this forum is not the place to resolve any hate issues you may have. You can't PM me because I do not have this service active, not because I put you on an ignore list. Nothing but love... play nice now.

where can i go scope these babies out at... ianick

As far as I know they are an internet only retailer and don't sell through audio stores. Shoot them an email, they are easy to work with. If you live in Iowa you can drive over to their office and touch, feel and listen to about anything you want.

A lot of the online speaker companies do not use retailers so they can sell the speaker for a little less expenisive, or so they can earn higher margins by cutting out the middleman.

If you purchase something online, rather than going into a retailer like Best Buy, just make sure you buy speakers with a 30 day risk-free trial. Use a company that will pay the return shipping and that way you can have a 30 day, in-home audition to see if you truly like the speakers.

There is a new company that there has been several discussions about on this forum. If you are looking for inexpensive, they should be a solid option. The company is called "The Speaker Company." They offer a 30 day free trial and pay return shipping.

They have some affiliation with D&M Holdings, which is the company that owns Denon and Marantz. I think they may be worth a try for your less than $1000 budget. If you don't like them, send them back and you are here at square one. If you do like them, you can tell all of us on the forum about them because I for one am very intrigued.

Their site is: www.thespeakercompany.com (http://www.thespeakercompany.com)