I posted this up in some other threads but wanted it to have a thread of it's own being that it is buried in the others. The guys over at DBStalks and SatelliteGuys are coming over here to check things out regarding this issue and I wanted to make sure that they AND anyone at Dish knows about this.

Just about all of the Sony 1080p/24 sets (that has been reported here, as well as at Satellite Guys and DBStalks) will show as "not compatible" and you will not be able to view this or any show in it's 1080p format that is being promoted and shown by Dish. Best we can do is 1080i.

Sets from other manufacturers seem to be ok.

Talked to Dish yesterday and they told me the problem is on Sony's end, not theirs..................so............there ya go !!

btw, my set is an A3000 but this is known to affect other series of Sony's as well.

All we can hope for at this time is that Dish does some kind of patch for us Sony owners.

I received the same message on my Dish screen when I tried. I have the JVC DLA-RS1 projector. It is 1080p/24 as well. No dice. Says my "tv's resolution" is not compatable. I tried it both from HDMI from the Dish box (VIP622) through my Marantz receiver and then HDMI to the projector and directly from the Dish box to the projector through HDMI. :rolleyes: I guess I haven't really been "turboed".

Kevin

I received the same message on my Dish screen when I tried. I have the JVC DLA-RS1 projector. It is 1080p/24 as well. No dice. Says my "tv's resolution" is not compatable. I tried it both from HDMI from the Dish box (VIP622) through my Marantz receiver and then HDMI to the projector and directly from the Dish box to the projector through HDMI. :rolleyes: I guess I haven't really been "turboed".

Kevin
:( Sorry to hear that Kevin. Hope you get a fix also.

I also got the same message. I have my hdmi cable hooked up to my Denon; wonder if DNet can't read in this setup.

I watched I am Legend and both audio and video breaks up; not very smooth. Plus not OAR. Now I know and not all that impressed.

Thread title needs changed. Im sure it would be fine on my Sony SXRD that is not 120Hz.

so its not just ANY sony set...

Thread title needs changed. Im sure it would be fine on my Sony SXRD that is not 120Hz.

so its not just ANY sony set...

So far, it IS EVERY Sony set (mentioned here, as well as at the satelliteguys forum as well as in the DBStalks forums) that has tried to get logged in at 1080p and until ANYONE can come in here with a Sony set, YOU included, and say that they can get it, my thread title remains the same.

Let me ask you a question. Being that Dish REQUIRES all sets to be 1080p/24 to get this resolution, what makes you so sure as to say that "Im sure it would be fine on my Sony SXRD that is not 120Hz."?

I just find it a bit odd that you are suggesting that the thread title be changed based upon an assumption rather than your own personal experience.

Here's a couple of other threads on this exact same issue:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-technical-discussions/145396-cant-get-1080p-my-1080p-set-what-gives.html
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=136499
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=135329

3 or 4 more threads on this issue too, but the two above should suffice. There are a few other TV's that are also affected, but it seems to be universal on ALL Sony's and no one has come on in any of these 3 sites to say that they have a Sony that works on 1080p with Dish.

If you came in here and said, "I have a Sony TV, and it works just fine on 1080p with Dish", I would change this thread title in a heartbeat, but your assumption that yours would work is based on..............................what?

Thread title needs changed. Im sure it would be fine on my Sony SXRD that is not 120Hz.

so its not just ANY sony set...

Huh? How can you be so sure????? Try it and see if it works. If not, your speculation and guesses don't do anyone any good.

Speculation and guesses on many forums is getting out of control and only leads to confusion and propagation of misinformation. Try not to promote this very bad trend.

Doesn't E* (and D*) have a statement about their 1080p policy indicating what sets are acceptable? Seems like any display that accepts 24p should be okay. Being able to display the incoming 24p at 120 Hz makes little sense. Many--even newer--displays, AIUI, still apply 2-3 pulldown to 24p and show frames at 60 fps, introducing judder, even though not every one notices it. Some better video processors show 24p at even multiples such as 48, 72, or even 120 fps, avoiding judder introduction. This thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=942145) tracks displays showing even 24p multiples.

One advantage to 1080/24p direct delivery, it seems, is eliminating the extra anti-twitter vertical filtering--smearing line details together--that minimizes twittering of fine detail when they're displayed on CRTs. It's still unclear whether E*/D* are avoiding this extra vertical filtering. But since their 24p-direct movies apparently aren't meant for interlaced CRT display, they could boost PQ by bypassing this filtering. For interlaced CRT display of direct 1080/24p, STB's would apparently have to add anti-twitter filtering. -- John

Huh? How can you be so sure????? Try it and see if it works. If not, your speculation and guesses don't do anyone any good.

Speculation and guesses on many forums is getting out of control and only leads to confusion and propagation of misinformation. Try not to promote this very bad trend.

When someone claims that it will not work on ANY set, the onus is on them to prove that to be right. Not the other way around.

Sorry but that is the way science works.

If the title said most, then that should suffice I'd imagine.

Topic title edited.

I was going to try it out on my 52XBR4 but my 622 died this weekend. When the replacement comes in I'll see if it works on my set. Since the XBR4 is one of the few 120Hz sets that does a 5:5 pulldown on 24p sources, I would have assumed it would be compatible. Any other XBR4/5 owners tried this out yet?

40v3000- not compatable. CRT rear projection not yet turbocharged.:D

When someone claims that it will not work on ANY set, the onus is on them to prove that to be right. Not the other way around.

Sorry but that is the way science works.

If the title said most, then that should suffice I'd imagine.

Well if you TRUELY believe that, than the onus is ALSO on you to prove your statement above when you say, "Im sure it would be fine on my Sony SXRD that is not 120Hz.". Prove it.


As a matter of fact, I would go as far to say that my conclusions that it doesn't work on ANY Sony set based upon all of the responses of Sony owners at 3 different sites is MORE accurate than your statement that even tho EVERY Sony owner that has reported in that their Sony's are incompatible at these sites............ that YOU have the one that works...........even though you've never tried it.

Now tell us again how science is supposed to work?

I titled this thread as I did because I wanted to motivate a response from ANY Sony owner that their experience was different. So far...........no one has.

I have a Sony KDL-52XBR4 and a VIP622 DVR.
When I query the HDMI port on the VIP622 using MENU-6-3, Analysis, HDMI Test, and look at the "Info 2" block, I see the following:

Supported formats: 720p 1080i 480p 480i

I know that this TV supports 1080p/24, so why in the world does the HDMI port not report it?

I have a Sony KDL-52XBR4 and a VIP622 DVR.
When I query the HDMI port on the VIP622 using MENU-6-3, Analysis, HDMI Test, and look at the "Info 2" block, I see the following:

Supported formats: 720p 1080i 480p 480i

I know that this TV supports 1080p/24, so why in the world does the HDMI port not report it?

That would seem to be the $64,000 question.

I finally got the upgrade this morning. I am Legend VOD does not show up on channel 501 for me. (I get a bunch of other craptastic choices at $4.99. However, I hoped to compare my HD DVD to the VOD.)

I finally got the upgrade this morning. I am Legend VOD does not show up on channel 501 for me. (I get a bunch of other craptastic choices at $4.99. However, I hoped to compare my HD DVD to the VOD.)

I Am Legend has been showing up on my set with the old 6.10 software. I just got upgraded this morning too, to 6.12, but it didn't fix the incompatibility issue.

I Am Legend has been showing up on my set with the old 6.10 software. I just got upgraded this morning too, to 6.12, but it didn't fix the incompatibility issue.

I was on 510/512. Today I'm on 612. I checked channel 501 as well as the Movies on Demand menu. There's no I am Legend listed for me. :mad: They actually came up with a list of worse movies like 10,000 BC, College Road Trip and Fool's Gold. (There are others from Fox, Paramount and Lionsgate. Those just stood out.)

Just received the update today (have the 622), and had no problems playing it on my Pearl (Sony). It did a quick little check and went right on thru at 1080P. However I wasn't all that impressed with the video quality; it definitely wasn't up there with the best HD-DVD or Blu-Ray transfers (although I haven't seen the Blu version of it). For that matter I have seen better quality when I was with Comcast (before they cut the bitrate I watched Planet's Best Safaris which was absolutely beautiful) and I have seen comparable quality at times with dish. I would have to say though the video quality was decent, the audio on the other hand was atrocious. It frequently would cut out during the movie, mostly when there was a scene change. I don't think I will be ordering again, especially when it goes up to 6.99. Can get it cheaper thru Blockbuster, or if I really like I can just buy.

No go on my KDF-50E3000. Pisser...

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Here is Sony's response to our dilemma:

Thank you for contacting Sony Support.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience as your Sony TV is not displaying the 1080p resolution Picture. HDMI interface is necessary to view the 1080P resolution Picture i your Sony TV. The television display has a native resolution of 1080p. This means that any supported signal (480i, 480p, 720p or 1080i) that is input to the TV will be up-converted from its original resolution and displayed in 1080p.

None of the input jacks on the television have the capability of receiving a 1080p signal; trying to input a 1080p signal into the TV will result in a blank or distorted picture on the screen. If you are connecting a video device that is outputting a 1080p signal, the video device will need to be reconfigured to output at a different resolution, such as 480i, 480p, 720p or 1080i.

For many electronics used as an output device, such as a Blu-Ray (BD) player or HD cable box, the conversion of the signal occurs automatically. However, for the PlayStation3 console, there is a need to manually change the output setting on your device from 1080p to 1080i. While this manual change may appear to be changing the display resolution on your television, it is actually changing the output signal resolution of your device only and not the television display resolution, which is fixed at 1080p.

Thank you for your time.

The Sony Email Response Team
C6EL
Jason

Just received the update today (have the 622), and had no problems playing it on my Pearl (Sony). It did a quick little check and went right on thru at 1080P. However I wasn't all that impressed with the video quality; it definitely wasn't up there with the best HD-DVD or Blu-Ray transfers (although I haven't seen the Blu version of it). For that matter I have seen better quality when I was with Comcast (before they cut the bitrate I watched Planet's Best Safaris which was absolutely beautiful) and I have seen comparable quality at times with dish. I would have to say though the video quality was decent, the audio on the other hand was atrocious. It frequently would cut out during the movie, mostly when there was a scene change. I don't think I will be ordering again, especially when it goes up to 6.99. Can get it cheaper thru Blockbuster, or if I really like I can just buy.

Do you have a scaler or something prior to the Pearl?

My HD-DVD and Blu-Ray player feed into an Onkyo 705 and out to the projector from there, but the Pearl is fed directly by an HDMI cable from the 622 with the audio connected by an optical connection to the 705.

My IAL finally downloaded. I just tried it via my 622 and my Mitsubishi 57732. It was listed as not compatible. Yeah, right!

Dish seems to have a very narrow set of criteria for determining what does and doesn't work. My 57732 doesn't even need to be forced.

No go on my KDF-50E3000. Pisser...

___________________________________

Here is Sony's response to our dilemma:

Thank you for contacting Sony Support.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience as your Sony TV is not displaying the 1080p resolution Picture. HDMI interface is necessary to view the 1080P resolution Picture i your Sony TV. The television display has a native resolution of 1080p. This means that any supported signal (480i, 480p, 720p or 1080i) that is input to the TV will be up-converted from its original resolution and displayed in 1080p.

None of the input jacks on the television have the capability of receiving a 1080p signal; trying to input a 1080p signal into the TV will result in a blank or distorted picture on the screen. If you are connecting a video device that is outputting a 1080p signal, the video device will need to be reconfigured to output at a different resolution, such as 480i, 480p, 720p or 1080i.

For many electronics used as an output device, such as a Blu-Ray (BD) player or HD cable box, the conversion of the signal occurs automatically. However, for the PlayStation3 console, there is a need to manually change the output setting on your device from 1080p to 1080i. While this manual change may appear to be changing the display resolution on your television, it is actually changing the output signal resolution of your device only and not the television display resolution, which is fixed at 1080p.

Thank you for your time.

The Sony Email Response Team
C6EL
Jason

So being that the "show display" button on the tv's remote shows the input resolution in the upper right hand corner of the screen, that it will never show 1080p being that it is reading the input?

This makes absolutly no sense to me.

No go on my KDF-50E3000. Pisser...

___________________________________

Here is Sony's response to our dilemma:

Thank you for contacting Sony Support.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience as your Sony TV is not displaying the 1080p resolution Picture. HDMI interface is necessary to view the 1080P resolution Picture i your Sony TV. The television display has a native resolution of 1080p. This means that any supported signal (480i, 480p, 720p or 1080i) that is input to the TV will be up-converted from its original resolution and displayed in 1080p.

None of the input jacks on the television have the capability of receiving a 1080p signal; trying to input a 1080p signal into the TV will result in a blank or distorted picture on the screen. If you are connecting a video device that is outputting a 1080p signal, the video device will need to be reconfigured to output at a different resolution, such as 480i, 480p, 720p or 1080i.

For many electronics used as an output device, such as a Blu-Ray (BD) player or HD cable box, the conversion of the signal occurs automatically. However, for the PlayStation3 console, there is a need to manually change the output setting on your device from 1080p to 1080i. While this manual change may appear to be changing the display resolution on your television, it is actually changing the output signal resolution of your device only and not the television display resolution, which is fixed at 1080p.

Thank you for your time.

The Sony Email Response Team
C6EL
Jason


So being that the "show display" button on the tv's remote shows the input resolution in the upper right hand corner of the screen, that it will never show 1080p being that it is reading the input?

This makes absolutly no sense to me.

Thats bunk. He did not understand the question.

All advertised specs as well as page 49 of the owner's manual states that the HDMI is 1080p. Reply back to him because if he is correct and the TV will not accept 1080p, you have a class action lawsuit.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6121/kdf50e3000ov4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

But even if he didn't understand the question, the answer STILL doesn't make sense for it says that the set in ONLY capable of up-rezing to 1080p, but that it will not accept a 1080p signal.

I'm really confused about this.

And being that I have an A3000, a bit concerned being that it too is a 1080p/24 set.

All of us Sony owners of 1080p sets may have a class action law suit here.

The spec sheet you are showing doesn't tell what frame rates that it will display in 1080p. So it may only do 1080p 60 and not 24p.

The spec sheet you are showing doesn't tell what frame rates that it will display in 1080p. So it may only do 1080p 60 and not 24p.

That's entirely possible and probable as the manual does not list 24p anywhere in it. However, that was NOT what was posted above. According to the Sony Response Team, the set WOULD NOT accept a 1080p input.



None of the input jacks on the television have the capability of receiving a 1080p signal; trying to input a 1080p signal into the TV will result in a blank or distorted picture on the screen. If you are connecting a video device that is outputting a 1080p signal, the video device will need to be reconfigured to output at a different resolution, such as 480i, 480p, 720p or 1080i.

The Sony Email Response Team
C6EL
Jason[/I]

I see 1080p, but no 24p reference in that statement.

I posted this up in some other threads but wanted it to have a thread of it's own being that it is buried in the others. The guys over at DBStalks and SatelliteGuys are coming over here to check things out regarding this issue and I wanted to make sure that they AND anyone at Dish knows about this.

All Sony 1080p/24 sets will show as "not compatible" and you will not be able to view this or any show in it's 1080p format that is being promoted and shown by Dish. Best we can do is 1080i.

Sets from other manufacturers seem to be ok.

Talked to Dish yesterday and they told me the problem is on Sony's end, not theirs..................so............there ya go !!

btw, my set is an A3000 but this is known to affect other series of Sony's as well.

All we can hope for at this time is that Dish does some kind of patch for us Sony owners.

Just saw this thread. My Sony 46Z100 displays IAL without any problem. The display shows 1080p/24 Your statement that ALL Sony sets will be incompatible is not accurate

I already posted this on another forum in response to your post there.

Just saw this thread. My Sony 46Z100 displays IAL without any problem. The display shows 1080p/24 Your statement that ALL Sony sets will be incompatible is not accurate

I already posted this on another forum in response to your post there.

Thanks for the info. I will edit my original post. I wonder what the difference is between your set and my A3000 (along with just about every other Sony set mentioned here as well as at two other sites, that has not passed the compatibility test) regarding this issue? Are you using any type of scaler? How is it hooked up to Dish? What Dish receiver are you using and what software release is it using? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm really trying to nail this down.

Thanks for the info. I will edit my original post. I wonder what the difference is between your set and my A3000 (along with just about every other Sony set mentioned here as well as at two other sites, that has not passed the compatibility test) regarding this issue? Are you using any type of scaler? How is it hooked up to Dish? What Dish receiver are you using and what software release is it using? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm really trying to nail this down.

Sony 46Z4100 is hooked directly to a dish 622 using HDMI. No scaler. Software is 612. Could it be because the TV is 120Hz?

My IAL finally downloaded. I just tried it via my 622 and my Mitsubishi 57732. It was listed as not compatible. Yeah, right!

Dish seems to have a very narrow set of criteria for determining what does and doesn't work. My 57732 doesn't even need to be forced.

Were you able to get this to work? I have a Dish 722 and it still says it's not compatible...even though it says it's displaying 1080p. It just displays a black picture. Then my 722 locked up and needed a reset.