View Full Version : Using same calibration for same projector in same room?


cgott42
08-19-08, 02:14 PM
I have a projector (Epson 1080UB) which had a great ISF calibration done, however I'm looking to sell it (want to get 120Hz motion enhancement for the football season).
My question is - if I decide to go back to the 1080UB (which I really love) can I apply the same ISF calibration settings to another 1080UB I'll buy (similar hours) as it'll be in the same room.

i'd imagine it's not 100% exact, but to what extent would it be different?

This would definately help my decison to sell, as I'm getting cold feet (PQ is REALLY good). By I want the motion enhancement which I heard stinks for movies, but is off the charts for sports.

Michael TLV
08-19-08, 02:29 PM
greetings

If the projector is built to military specs ... you could be certain that transferring the settings would be really close.

Military Spec ... is the projector built to that level? Doubt it ... want that type of spec ... add two more zero's to the price.

with the 5 to 15% parts tolerance ... between even the same projectors ... you might get close or it might be off by that 5% or 15% ...

Regards

cgott42
08-19-08, 02:59 PM
thanks!
to give me a point of reference (to the 5-15% max. difference)
How much of an effect does a good ISF calibration make to the overall image quality/accuracy from the out of the box settings for the 1080UB?

BeachComber
08-19-08, 03:17 PM
thanks!
to give me a point of reference (to the 5-15% max. difference)
How much of an effect does a good ISF calibration make to the overall image quality/accuracy from the out of the box settings for the 1080UB?

major

Michael TLV
08-19-08, 03:35 PM
Greetings

How much? ...


This is like asking us for directions to NY City. Except that the asker ... cannot tell us where he is ...

We know where the end point is ... not where the beginning point is. He could be 35 feet outside NY City ... or in Tahiti or on the Moon. The answer of how to get to NYC therefore depends on where you start.

The answer to how much depends on where you begin. Only if you can tell us where the projector begins ... can we tell you what the calibrated product looks like.

Regards

cgott42
08-19-08, 03:37 PM
thanks, I thought so
so the max. difference of 5-15% between parts between the current projector and new projector- would be very minor when compared to the pre calibration and post calibration PQ.
i.e. correct me if I'm wrong, it sounds like there might be a slightly noticeable difference to the trained eye if applying the settings to a different 1080UB, but very minor to the lay person.

Michael TLV
08-19-08, 04:19 PM
Greetings

Or a whole bunch. 15% difference could be to the green side ... a very green image versus a normal one. Hardly too close for people to see the difference.

Could also mean white clipping or discoloration ... or black crushing or washed out blacks. Take a setting on the TV and move it 15% off ... on a scale of 0 to 100 ... move it by 15 numbers and see what happens and if that difference is something you can see ...

regards

cgott42
08-19-08, 04:24 PM
Good point. Well taken.
thanks,

Another different question, how much does the RS1 out of the box require (benefit from) calibration compared with the 1080UB.

Michael TLV
08-19-08, 04:29 PM
Greetings

The RS1 has a color gamut that is well off spec. It is too large and you can't do much to fix it. The 1080UB has the controls to make the image far more accurate.

The RS1 might win more fans for its high contrast and black levels ... but these would not be fans of accuracy which are far fewer in numbers.

Regards

HogPilot
08-19-08, 09:44 PM
military specs

I understand the intent of your post and I agree 100%, but being a military pilot I find the term "military spec" rather entertaining. For example, the g-meter in my aircraft - which is a "heavy" aircraft and not a high performance one - gets tested for accuracy by taking it out of the box and shaking it - if it registers any kind of acceleration, then it's considered acceptable for installation. Never mind we use that same g-meter for measuring in-flight g-limits on the airframe as well as for landing g-limits, both of which are very specific and have no room for error. Just pray that none of the projectors that anyone here ever attempts to calibrate is true "military spec." :D

Michael TLV
08-19-08, 09:56 PM
:D

In the world of parts ... we are likely looking at radio shack level components going into these things than stuff with really tight tolerance.

LINN audio has a CD player that is hand built with parts tolerance under 3% ... hmmm $11K ...

we're not getting it with a $2000 projector. :)

regards

Coyotes
08-20-08, 02:31 AM
And even those Linn's fail occasionally, despite the "if it's not made in Scotland, it's crrrrrap!