I noticed that some companies are claiming 400-500 GB storage on Blu-Ray disc is possible in the not too distant future using 16 to 20 layers per disc (http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/05/pioneer-finds-20-layer-500gb-blu-ray-disc-feasible/).

So, how much storage space would a 2 hour, 4K x 2K resolution movie require, including 96 KHz DTS-HD (or DD HD, etc) audio?

Does it look like Blu-Ray will pass out of mainstream existence much quicker than its DVD ancestor?

By Blu-Ray I mean the immediate format they are using, not the media itself, or do people think they will expand the format definitions to encompass higher resolutions?

A year or so ago Sony displayed it's 4k SXRD projector when doing so they had one of their movies in DCI compliant format 4k and they claimed it Faithfully represented all the film elements size (200gb-length of movie 149 Minutes) Uncompressed it was 10 Terabytes.Hope that helps.:)

A year or so ago Sony displayed it's 4k SXRD projector when doing so they had one of their movies in DCI compliant format 4k and they claimed it Faithfully represented all the film elements size (200gb-length of movie 149 Minutes) Uncompressed it was 10 Terabytes.Hope that helps.:)

How about with lossless compression? That would help a lot more. Thanks.

To go from 1080p 4:2:0 8 bit to 4K 4:2:0 10 bit requires roughly 4 times more bandwidth for uncompressed data. After compression it's less. 200 GB Blu Ray with 100 Mbit/s peak for video should do the trick.

Do you guys believe that we will have 4K content for the home soon, I do not ?

Do you guys believe that we will have 4K content for the home soon, I do not ?

I do not either.

Also, excuse my possible ignorance, but what type of cables would need to be used to pass this type of bandwidth? Clearly one HDMI cable is not capable of this.

i do not either.

Also, excuse my possible ignorance, but what type of cables would need to be used to pass this type of bandwidth? Clearly one hdmi cable is not capable of this.


2 hdmi.

I think I recall William Phelps telling me the new Merridian 4K required 4 DVI cables from proccesor to projector

Irrespective of how you drive it I think 4K content for the home (at least with choices) is off a while. Tough to say how long but I say no sooner than a couple of years. Even then I'm just struggling to see any sort of economic model.

Art

Do you guys believe that we will have 4K content for the home soon, I do not ?

I don't either.

the reality is that if you look at the best quality BD right now, into the best quality Proj and use that as a baseline, we have a long way to go until we hit a point where we are getting the most out of what we have. And far too much invested in infrastructure for ANYBODY to even start to look at higher res.

Sure, within ten years we will see some niche specialty content at higher res, but this will be very limited.

Irrespective of how you drive it I think 4K content for the home (at least with choices) is off a while. Tough to say how long but I say no sooner than a couple of years. Even then I'm just struggling to see any sort of economic model.
Thank you. There is NO economic model except in hobbyist fantasy land. Because the market for it is and will continue to be so ridiculously small. Now if that small market demand could be filled by any enterprising individual, it would be one thing. If for instance I could got to the studios and borrow their masters and rip them to blu ray in my basement on a $10,000 machine, I could fill that niche. But that aint the way it's going to happen for so many reasons. In short, the cost to create the content, to get the studios to provide it and the machines to do it and so on would be astronomically higher than the profits that could be made by selling it.

we might see (in a few years) the likes of imax wanting to relases some content in a 4 k manner. but only if they can get it to play on a PC.

As far as the rest of the world goes... probably 20 years.

I would really think that we would need to move away from an optical disc format before it starts becoming physically and economically feasible. What would a completely uncompressed video file at the current 1080 resolution be in size, or maybe a better question is, what is the compression ratio for transfer to bluray. I'm sure one of you know, I haven't looked so its probably an easy answer. To go from 10tb to 200gb though seems like an awful lot of compression.

Am I correct though that video is fed to 4K projectors in theaters via a networked media hub? How is the video sent to the media controllers they use, I assumed it was a network, i.e. something like an FTP link via the internet. Are they really downloading 10tb files to these things, or is some form of compression already being used?

While I think we are a long long way away from network media or internet based media as the standard home source, I do think once that infrastructure is in place, it will help to open up things like higher resolution video. My personal opinion is that we are at least 20 years away from that happening simply because of internet infrastructure problems, and will see further developments in the optical disc world, and probably solidstate memory world first.

The only current business model for 4K is archiving. While some theater venues do have 4K projection, the general feeeling in Hollywood is that 2K is sufficient for distribution. Now it is true that 2K does not equal the quality of the negative or intermediate stock, it does equal or in many cases surpass the quality of the average print stock except for absolute black level.

And the main motivation for digital projection is not quality. It's the elimination of printing and physical distribution. That's where the savings are found. The higher delivered quality is a fortunate side benefit.

So as 4K presently has little interest in theatrical distribution, imagine how much interest the idea of 4K home video gets!

Now it is true that 2K does not equal the quality of the negative or intermediate stock, it does equal or in many cases surpass the quality of the average print stock except for absolute black level.


Not when 6k-1 on/off mod is available for DCI.Which is very soon (mid October), then print stock (with the exception of a very expensive Kodak formula) will be at a disadvantage.


If you guys saw these hacked 2k DCI projectors you would hardly want anything else. They truly are reminiscent of a personal 70mm rig. 1080p prosumer has a long way to go yet.

4k has value in simulation, I saw benefit to this on a simulation of a jUMBO JET APPROACHING AN AIRPORT from 7 miles away. You could see individual runway lights made out of 1 2 or 4 pixels. Very pretty.

Not when 6k-1 on/off mod is available.Which is very soon mid October, then print stock will be at a disadvantage.

Peter, 6k is already available on a number of quality projectors.;)

thats it peter, you tell glimmie whats what

Glimmie can't use modded projectors at work, I do.

CM. Your definition of quality is somewhat lenient. Wether or not you need DCI content to exploit it's superiority it's besides the point, a DCI projector to me eyes portrays an image way better than what the best home 3 chippers can. D-Cinema equipment is far ahead of what E-cinema equipment can offer.

If that was not the case I would not say it, with BlueRay DCI moded units are the best there is currently.

CM. Your definition of quality is somewhat lenient.

Now your getting personal. I know some women who would seriously take offense at that.

a DCI projector to me eyes portrays an image way better than what the best home 3 chippers can

Ease up there Kemosabe. I think that's over stating the case. DCI machines do have some advantages, but so do domestic 3 chippers.

If what you say is true then I am Ethel Merman.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/EthelMermanNoBusinesstrailer.jpg

If what you say is true then I am Ethel Merman.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/EthelMermanNoBusinesstrailer.jpg

If that's the case, then pucker up baby, 'cos I bring a ruckus to the ladies.:D.

If what you say is true then I am Ethel Merman._That's_ why I thought you looked so familiar! :)

Not when 6k-1 on/off mod is available for DCI.Which is very soon (mid October), then print stock (with the exception of a very expensive Kodak formula) will be at a disadvantage.


If you guys saw these hacked 2k DCI projectors you would hardly want anything else. They truly are reminiscent of a personal 70mm rig. 1080p prosumer has a long way to go yet.

4k has value in simulation, I saw benefit to this on a simulation of a jUMBO JET APPROACHING AN AIRPORT from 7 miles away. You could see individual runway lights made out of 1 2 or 4 pixels. Very pretty.

You missed the most important point. It's not about quality. It's about costs. The three major Digital Cinema players Technicolor, Deluxe, and Kodak, all developed programs a few years ago to finance the transition and yet there are still few signing up. The three companies above have a lot to lose if prints go away so they are very proactive on alternate revenue streams from digital to replace the print revenues.

I listened to a paper a couple of years ago from the head of NATO. He hit it right on the head. What is discouraging many independant theaters and even the big chains is technology obsolesence. A well maintained 1950s film projector can produce the exact same image quality of a modern Christie or Ballentine projector. Not true with digital projectors. Now most theaters have upgraded to platter technology and newer projectors many years ago. But why? Not to have the latest and greatest projector. With platter automation they could get rid of the union projection staff. Now one qualifiued technician handles many theaters on a checkup basis. The senior consesion stand employees are trained to load film and troubleshoot basic issues.

Somebody has to come up with a workable finance model and some guarentee of future product compatability before we will see wide spread adoption of digital cinema.

Higher resolution isn't the only thing DCI is getting. They also are getting 4:4:4 color, whereas all the consumer distribution formats get 4:2:0. Even if they were generous enough to give us the higher resolution, they never would release the material to consumers in 4:4:4. Too bad, because it's chroma subsampling errors that causes a good deal of the ringing and other distortions in the image - not the reduced resolution.

The financial model for wide adoption of digital cinema was launched about 3 years ago and has been a huge success. It's based on virtual print fees paid by the studios that subsidizes much of the equipment cost. The leading companies handling the collection of the fees and the distribution of equipment to cinemas are AccessIT in the US and XDC in Europe. AccessIT has completed about 5000 installations in the US and a large number have been installed in the rest of the world. AccessIT has signed a second phase agreement with the studios earlier this year that schedules an additional 10,000 installations during the next three years. Current projection is one half of cinemas worldwide digital by 2013.

The financial model for wide adoption of digital cinema was launched about 3 years ago and has been a huge success. It's based on virtual print fees paid by the studios that subsidizes much of the equipment cost. The leading companies handling the collection of the fees and the distribution of equipment to cinemas are AccessIT in the US and XDC in Europe. AccessIT has completed about 5000 installations in the US and a large number have been installed in the rest of the world. AccessIT has signed a second phase agreement with the studios earlier this year that schedules an additional 10,000 installations during the next three years. Current projection is one half of cinemas worldwide digital by 2013.

5000 screens is a small slice of the pie. The above reads like a press release to raise stock.

5000 screens is a small slice of the pie. The above reads like a press release to raise stock.

I totally agree. At the May LA-SID meeting Real D was the presenter talking about their equipment for doing stereoscopic projection. It was interesting to hear their pitch and on just how tremendous the animosity is between distribution and the theaters.

Digital is great, but in favor of film you have higher resolution and a really well known medium. The director of photography knows the techniques he/she wants/likes for telling the story. On the technical side, film rocks for dynamic range, has a very much more pleasent affect when you enter the limits of exposure in both the toe and shoulder and their are colors you get on film that video technology can't give you (e.g. yellows). Film however is expensive, heavy, and requires a ton of steps to work with. Plus it has all sorts of interesting means by which it self degrades. [dough]

In favor of digital you have lower cost, though a Thompson viper cam isn't exactly cheap. The thing is, with the budgets of major films these days, egos at several different stages can occasionally be something of a factor. <wink>

Will we see more movies shot with digital? Certainly, as a younger generation comes in who have cut their teeth on the lower cost digital cameras you'll see more of it. But I feel pretty confident saying that film is going to be around for many years to come.

Now an interesting wild card is 3d/stereoscopic. Right now, Disney, Dreamworks Animation, and several other studios have made several announcements about their plans for use of stereo. I'm personally skeptical, but then my opinion is that only certain types of movies can make effective use of the 3d and that it is hard to do well. Show of hands if you saw Journey to the Center of the Earth and you thought that the 3d was integral to the movie. If 3d is more than a novelty, and it does increase ticket sales, then we will see theaters switching over to digital projection much more quickly.

Digital means change and change is always 'interesting' :)

Now an interesting wild card is 3d/stereoscopic. Right now, Disney, Dreamworks Animation, and several other studios have made several announcements about their plans for use of stereo. I'm personally skeptical...
As you should be, I read an article about it the other day, I wish I could remember where so I could link to it. It basically said the entire announcement was a lot of hype, and that if you read the fine print so to speak, that the announcement was nowhere as significant as it appeared and that in actuality it was going to affect a small number of films for quite a few years.

I saw Jouney in a stadium seating room converted to 3-D, if you sat on the main seating area up back the experience was not good, the high gain angularly reflective screen had been nailing the brightness into a small target around row 4 front, down there the experience was phenomenal. Not only the screen was bright (imperative for good 3-D) the viewing angle was ideal to focus on the characters (important to not get overly distracted with out-of-phase background which can be fatiguing) also the ratio of direct light (wanted) to out of phase reflected light bouncing from the screen periphery [walls floor ceiling] (unwanted) was optimal.

These stadium seating theaters are not suitable for reald D. That been said 3-D is extraordinary when properly experienced. I enjoyed myself immensely seating in row 4 center.

http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/RealD.jpg

And Q you are just growing old into premature cantankerousness, 2009 will be the year of 3-D. From Marketsaw.blogspot.com (http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2007/04/list-of-upcoming-3d-movies.html)

Rumors:
1. Transformers 2 (Paramount) (June 2009) Rumor debunked here.
2. Baywatch 3D (Spielberg/Reitman)
3. Godzilla 3D
4. The Hobbit Part 1 (2011) (New Line) (Peter Jackson) CONFIRMED. Waiting for official statement that it is in 3D. Lawsuit pending.
5. The Hobbit Part 2 (2012) (New Line) (Peter Jackson) CONFIRMED. Waiting for official statement that it is in 3D. Lawsuit pending.
6. LOTR: The Fellowship of the Ring (2013) (Re-released in 3D) (New Line) (Peter Jackson) Waiting for official announcement.
7. LOTR: The Two Towers (2014) (Re-released in 3D) (New Line) (Peter Jackson) Waiting for official announcement.
8. LOTR: The Return of the King (2015) (Re-released in 3D) (New Line) (Peter Jackson) Waiting for official announcement.
9. The Gate 3-D (Randall William Cook, Director) Rumored 3-D remake of the original 1980s flick about a gate to hell. (JoBlo)
10. King Kong (Peter Jackson) Often connected with a 3D re-release may come to fruition soon. Jackson was definitely seen shooting with 3D cameras during the production of King Kong.
11. Stewardesses 3-D (Summer 2009) (Condon /Meyer - Remake) (Adirondack International Pictures)
12. Avengers (Marvel) (Writer: Zac Penn?) (Director: Jon Favreau?) PENN: "Absolutely. It's not only something I've considered doing, but there's been the discussion about The Avengers doing some sort of next level… Whatever the next iteration of computer animation is after this, the next step after Beowulf, is something we would definitely consider for that." Rumor Source: FirstShowing.net
13. Calling All Robots (Disney) (ImageMovers Digital) (Writer: Michael Dougherty) Performance capture movie that leans on the Godzilla genre and will use the same technology used for "Beowulf". This obviously hints that it will be in 3D - but I have not confirmed this yet!
14. Speed Racer 2 (See this post)
15. RoboCop 3D (MGM) (See this post)
16. Fantastic Voyage (James Cameron)
17. Dead Still (Ghost House Productions) (Peter Skagen, Writer) (Charlotte Clay Huggins, Producer) Suspenseful, Eco-thriller set in the jungles of Asia. Throwback to the 80's action films.

Date TBA:
1. Scar 3D (Jed Weintrob, Director) Scar 3D uses side by side Sony 950 cameras and is the first released full length, live action feature film shot in this innovative process.
2. Tintin (Trilogy) (Steven Spielberg / Peter Jackson / ???) (casting started in LA the week of Oct 29th, 2007) Suspected Summer 2009 release for the first feature.
3. Master Mind (Dreamworks Animation) (Ben Stiller, Producer) A villian loses his motivation after accidentally killing his arch nemesis. Potentially a Fall 2010 release.
4. Battle Angel (James Cameron) A 26th century tale of a cyborg (human brain / artifical body) rescued from the scrapheap by a cyber-surgeon who becomes her surrogate father.
5. Interworld (Dreamworks Animation) Loosely based on the book of the same name written by Neil Gaiman and Michael Reaves.
6. Punk Farm (Dreamworks Animation) No details as of yet.
7. Shrek 5 (Dreamworks Animation) No details as of yet.
8. Step Up 3-D (Disney) (Jon Chu) Third installment in the dance franchise.
9. OWN3D (Owned Entertainment) Mixed Martial Arts Live Action 3D movie. Also will be released in 2D.
10. Big Buck Bunny (Blender Institute) (Open Movie Project) 3D Animation - Premiere: April 10th in Amsterdam.
11. Crank 3D (Neveldine/Taylor) The third installment of the Crank franchise. (2011??)
12. Love Like Blood (Stuart Levy) (Takahiko Akiyama) Based on the Kei Toume manga "Lament of the Lamb," the goth-flavored tale revolves around a slightly anemic named Blake Edwards, who meets a beautiful girl called Jira. Their relationship becomes increasingly intense and gory before a final twist.
13. Ghost In The Shell (Dreamworks) (Steven Spielberg) Ghost in the Shell is a futuristic police thriller dealing with the exploits of Motoko Kusanagi. She is capable of superhuman feats, and bionically specialized for her job — her body is almost completely mechanized; only her brain and a segment of her spinal cord are organic.
14. 1.8 Days (Movie Tao Productions, Cerebral Films) (Producer, Terry Mc Innes) (Writer, Chuck Fallaw) Two hustlers, their ex-fiancé, a ruthless crime boss, and a bounty hunter, all intent on killing each other, suddenly find themselves in the middle of an "invasion." The violent enemies must band together to defeat the (what the hell are they!?). They just have to stop fighting each other long enough to survive.
15. Relentless - Karl Urban starrer - Four extreme sports professionals who survive a plane crash in the Amazon jungle, and must use all their survival instincts as they are hunted by a group of homicidal natives
16. Outback (Velvet Octopus) (Producer, Ash Shah) 3D CGI Animation - Story of a white koala bear.
17. The Legend of Spyro (Velvet Octopus) (Producer, Ash Shah) 3D CGI Animation - Spin-off from the best-selling video game.
18. Jonas Brothers' "Burning Up" 3D Concert Movie (Title TBA) (Director, Bruce Hendricks) (Producer, Art Repola) (See this post).
19. The Dive (James Cameron) Live Action 3D based on the true story of Francisco "Pipin" Ferreras and his love affair with French diver Audrey Mestre. Mestre perishes while in competition after being trained by her lover. Cameron will be diving into this film right after "Avatar". (See also this post).
20. Horror Tour (Ben Stassen) - 3D Stereoscopic Live Action movie. More details to come. Shooting starts in spring or summer of 2009.

2008:
1. U2 3D (January 23rd, 2008 for IMAX limited release / February 15th for wide release including Real D theaters) (3ality Digital / National Geographic is Distributor) From their Vertigo tour of South America
2. Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus: Best of Both Worlds Concert Tour (February 1st to 7th) (Disney) Live concert shot in 3D. Approx 700 3D screens at time of release.
3. Journey 3D (July 11th, 2008) (New Line) Trip beneath the earth's surface. Cast: Brendan Frasier, Josh Hutcherson
4. Fly Me to the Moon (August 15, 2008) Official site is here - An animation about 3 houseflies travelling to the moon aboard Apollo 11. Voices: Tim Curry, Christopher Lloyd, Robert Patrick, Nicollette Sheridan, Kelly Ripa and "Buzz" Aldrin as himself!
5. Coraline (Limited December 2008 Release) (Focus Features) In this animation, a girl discovers a bricked up wall behind a door that leads to an alternate world, complete with a different mother and father. Voices: Dakota Fanning, Teri Hatcher, Ian McShane and Keith David. >>> Teaser Clip Here. <<<
6. Bolt (November 21, 2008) (Disney) (Chris Williams, Director) (Score by John Powell) This feature animation revolves around a TV star Dog named Bolt (Voice John Travolta) who is accidentily shipped from his Hollywood sound stage to New York City thereby finally seeing the real world He thought he had superpowers. Miley Cyrus will voice Penny - the human co-star of Bolt's in the TV show in NYC. Bernie Mac, Hugh Grant, Mario Cantone, Woody Harrelson, Bruce Greenwood, Thomas Hayden Church and Susie Essman also lend voices.

Projected Number of 3D screens (End of 2008): Worldwide - 3,000; US - 2,000 **

2009:
1. My Bloody Valentine 3-D (January 16, 2009) (Lionsgate Entertainment) (Director - Patrick Lussier) Jaime King to play lead role of Sarah Palmer. Remake of the original horror movie. The 4K Red One Cameras is being used in 3D configuration for this movie!
2. Coraline (Wide Release February 6th, 2009) (Focus Features) In this animation, a girl discovers a bricked up wall behind a door that leads to an alternate world, complete with a different mother and father. Voices: Dakota Fanning, Teri Hatcher, Ian McShane and Keith David. >>> Teaser Clip Here. <<<
3. Monsters vs. Aliens (March 27th, 2009) (DWA) Animation. A monster hunter is called upon to battle aliens who have disrupted cable TV service. Rex assembles a team of monsters to help including Ick!, Dr. Cockroach, the 50,000 Pound Woman and Insectosaurus. >>Official Site<<
4. Up (May 29th, 2009) (Disney) Animation. A senior citizen's adventures with a wilderness Ranger: "Our hero travels the globe, fights beasts and villains and eats dinner at 3:30 in the afternoon."
5. Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs (July 1st, 2009) (Fox) (Carlos Saldanha, Director) Animation - Ray Romano, John Leguizamo, Queen Latifah and Dennis Leary are all back to lend their voices.
6. Piranha 3D (July, 2009) (Alexandre Aja) (Dimension Films) A remake of Joe Dante's original, Arizona's Lake Havasu ruptures its floor after an earthquake releasing prehistoric piranhas.
7. G-Force (July 24th, 2009) (Disney) (Jerry Bruckheimer) (Hoyt Yeatman, Director) Live Action / Animation Blend - Voices: Penelope Cruz, Nicolas Cage, Steve Buscemi, Bill Nighy and Tracy Morgan. An elite guinea pig commando force try to stop a billionaire from taking over the world.
8. Planet 51 (Nov 20th, 2009) (Sony) (Jorge Blanco, Director) Voices by: Dwayne (The Rock) Johnson (astronaunt Chuck Baker) , Jessica Biel, Seann William Scott and Justin Long. 3D animation that centers on an astronaut who lands on another planet whose inhabitants live in fear of invasion; this time its humans that are invading. March 2009 completion date. Pyro Studios will also release a Planet 51 video game in 2009.
9. Toy Story (Oct 2nd, 2009) (Disney) 2D to 3D digital source conversion and re-release
10. Horrorween 3D (October 30, 2009) (Joe Estevez / Ed Meyer) (Adirondack International Pictures) Comedy
11. A Christmas Carol (November 6th, 2009) (Zemeckis / Jim Carrey) (Pixar) Jim Carrey, Bob Hoskins (Mr. Fezziwig), Robin Wright Penn, Colin Firth, Sammi Hanratty and Gary Oldman have been confirmed. Rumors of Tom Hanks (Bob Cratchit), Michael J. Fox (Tiny Tim), Christopher Lloyd (Marley's Ghost) being cast to join. Check back here for updates!
12. Avatar (December 18th, 2009) (James Cameron) A paraplegic war vet goes to Pandora, home of the Na'vi, a humanoid race. Cast: Sigourney Weaver, Sam Worthington, Michelle Rodriguez, Zoe Saldana, Giovanni Ribisi, Joel Moore, Stephen Lang & CCH Pounder. Avatar shooting in Wellington, New Zealand will wrap by February 22nd, 2008.
13. Final Destination 4 (2009) (David R. Ellis, Director) (Rumor: Release date - August 14th, 2009 via STYD)
14. Frankenweenie (2009) (Tim Burton / Disney) Digital 3D: Stop Motion Animation. A young boy brings his dog back from the dead.
15. The Jonas Brothers 3D (Jan / Feb 2009) (Disney) Concert movie shot from their 38 city "Burning Up" North American tour (their 3rd CD). The tour starts July 4th, 2008 and wraps up around Labor Day, 2008.
16. Dawn Of The Dead (2009) (George A. Romero) (Richard Rubinstein) Re-release of the original 1979 zombie classic converted from 2D to 3D by In-Three. (See also this post).
17. Godspeed (2009) (Rick McCallum, Executive Producer) (Sherry Voigt, Producer) (Dustin Voigt, Director) Tagline: "Sibling rivalry at 200 MPH"
18. The Magic Tale (2009) (Writer / Director, Jordi Llompart) (William Reeve, Stereographer) Based on the book: "El Corazon sobre la arena" The story of a little girl's magical journey to Africa and enlightenment.
19. The Dark Country (2009) (Thomas Jane / Tab Murphy) A newly wed couple are forced to deal with a dead body in the desert on the way to Las Vegas for their hellish honeymoon. Cast: Thomas Jane, Ron Perlman & Lauren German. The 4K Red One Cameras is being used in 3D configuration for this movie!

Projected Number of 3D screens (End of 2009): Worldwide - 6,000; US - 4,000 **

2010:
1. Toy Story 2 (Feb 12th, 2010) (Disney) 2D to 3D digital source conversion and re-release
2. Alice in Wonderland (March 19th, 2010) (Tim Burton / Disney) (Writer, Linda Woolverton) (Producers, Richard Zanuck, Joe Roth, Jennifer Todd and Suzanne Todd) Disney Digital 3D: Performance Capture AND Live Action.
3. How To Train Your Dragon (March 26th, 2009) (Dreamworks Animation) >>Check out early production concept art here and here!<<
4. Alpha And Omega (April 16th, 2010) (Lionsgate) CG Animation. The movie is about a couple of young wolves and their adventures. Hayden Panettiere, Christina Ricci, Danny Glover, Justin Long, Larry Miller and Dennis Hopper lend their voices to the project.
5. Shrek 4 (May 2010) (DWA)
6. Toy Story 3 (June 18th, 2010) (Disney) 3D Digital Animation
7. Rapunzel (Christmas 2010) (Disney-Pixar) (Directors: Glen Keane, Dean Wellins) be transported to a stunning CG fantasy world complete with the iconic tower, an evil witch, a gallant hero and, of course, the mysterious girl with the long golden tresses.
8. Boat (2010) (Gaumont) (Franck Chorot, Producer) centers on a cheetah and a porcupine who must change their identities to gain entry to Noah's Ark when they discover that their animal breeds were already represented on board. They decide to create a fake species called "porceetahs".
9. Around The World in 50 Years (2010?) (nWave) (Director, Ben Stassen) (Producers, Gina Gallo, Mimi Maynard, Domonic Paris, Caroline Van Iseghem & Ben Stassen) Animation. Voices by: Tim Curry, Anthony Anderson, Ed Begley Jr., Pat Carroll, Kathy Griffin, Melanie Griffith, Stacy Keach and Jenny McCarthy. Story revolves around a turtle born in 1959 who travels the globe while it is being affected by global warming. (Completion in 2009).
10. Cereal Heroes (2010) (Fable Works LLC) (Sparx Animation Studios) Cartoon cereal-box-mascots are mistakenly brought to life when a plan to replace the world's fallen superheroes with characters from comic books goes awry.
11. Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs (January 10th, 2010) (Sony Pictures Imageworks Animation) Food pours down from above just when the a town called Chewandswallow needs it most - however it soon overwhelms everyone. This will be Sony's first stereoscopic 3D movie and it will be shot in similar style to "Beowulf"'s performance capture.
12. The Mortician (2010) (Aria Films and Full Circle Films) (Equipment and Post Production, Axis3D) (Director, Writer, Gareth Maxwell Roberts) (Producer, Carlo Dusi) Psychological Thriller.

2011:
1. Puss In Boots (DWA)
2. Newt (Summer 2011) (Disney-Pixar) (Director, Gary Rydstrom) What happens when the last remaining male and female blue-footed newts on the planet are forced together by science to save the species, and they can't stand each other?
3. The Bear and the Bow (Christmas 2011) (Disney-Pixar) (Director, Brenda Chapman) A rugged and mythic Scotland is the setting for Pixar's action-adventure "The Bear and the Bow."
4. Crood Awakening (2011?) (DWA) (Written by John Cleese!) This animation is set in prehistoric times where a leader of a tribe is threatened by a newcomer genius with inventions such as fire. Official site is here.
5. Tron 3D (Spring 2011) (Disney) (Director: Joseph Kosinski) A revisit to Tron. Read about a sneak preview here.

2012:
1. Cars 2 (Summer 2012) (Disney-Pixar) (Director, Brad Lewis) Mater and McQueen will need their passports as they find themselves in a new world of intrigue, thrills and fast-paced comedic
escapades around the globe.
2. King of the Elves (Christmas 2012) (Disney-Pixar) (Directors, Aaron Blaise, Robert Walker) Legendary storyteller Phillip K. Dick's short story (his only experiment in the fantasy genre) becomes the basis for this fantastic and imaginative tale about an average man living in the Mississippi Delta, whose reluctant actions to help a desperate band of elves leads them to
name him their new king.

PAST MOVIES
1. Meet The Robinsons
2. Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix (last 20 mins will be digitally converted for IMAX)
3. Beowulf (Nov 16)

3D SHORTS (Shown before Feature 3D Movies):
1. Dumbass 3D (Ed Meyer) (Adirondack International Pictures)
2. Air Guitar 3-D (Ed Meyer) (Adirondack International Pictures)
3. Jack, Texas (Ed Meyer) (Adirondack International Pictures)
4. Paintball 3-D (Ed Meyer) (Adirondack international Pictures)

George Lucas will again redistribute his Star Wars movies in 3D.

5000 screens is a small slice of the pie. The above reads like a press release to raise stock.

In the US alone, I would say that it's a very good accomplishment. It includes most of the prestigious venues and was mostly done during the past two years. The current digital cinema installation rate worldwide is about 500 per month. Reading your post, there is no viable financial model and few installations. Both of these are far off the mark and three years out of date.

Average multiplex has 20 screens.

Average city has (lets guess) 10 cinemas... (total shot in the dark, trying to average based on little towns)

that means that 25 cities are done. with plans to do another 50...

In the US alone, I would say that it's a very good accomplishment. It includes most of the prestigious venues and was mostly done during the past two years. The current digital cinema installation rate worldwide is about 500 per month. Reading your post, there is no viable financial model and few installations. Both of these are far off the mark and three years out of date.

Well I work for one of the three companies I mentioned. Things aren't exactly hopping over in the DC distribution department. There was a spike about two years ago but things have slowed down. DI (Digital Intermediate) is going strong but that group produces film output as well as DCI files.

Since digital video technology is doubling in power every two years at half the cost, we may not be as far away as it seems. 4K projectors are a given within a couple of years. 4K LCD panels will happen, especially since the professional video industry is going to need a ton of them. Then the obvious happens, the professional gear moves into home as manufacturers try to recoup their technology investments. Eventually, everyone demands content.

One possibility is to simply have the TV do the MPEG decoding, assuming it's not prohibited. Why unpack first if it clogs the cable?

Since you can store an HD movie in about 10-12GB without it sucking too much, 50GB could easily handle consumerized 4K.

I say it's inevitable, but I assume there will be much foot dragging, so I'd say 6-12 years as a safe minimum, but could be more. It largely depends on how fast LCD manufacturers up their resolutions. Once 768 sets disappear and 1080p sets are even cheaper (and LED backlighting/120Hz is standard), I'd be expecting companies to come out with higher rez sets for the premium market. If you can't increase contrast, you obviously go for more resolution as a sales tool.

Since you can store an HD movie in about 10-12GB without it sucking too much, 50GB could easily handle consumerized 4K.

HD lite? No thanks.

HD lite? No thanks.


Yea what's the point ,plus right now, so many HD transfers to BD are poor ,I just don't see it happening.

Art

I thought it was interesting to read this at the head of the AVSForum news feeds today:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1062942

HD lite? No thanks.

As the data rate increases for a given resolution, the performance improvement diminishes. If you take it out to 4K resolution, the increase would be dramatic. Keep in mind that you can improve the image quality more dramatically and do it in less space by simply doing film grain removal on the digital transfer pre-compression. Less space, better picture. The more film grain is there, the more the MPEG algorithm is using storage to reproduce grain noise.

Also keep in mind that EVERYTHING you see is 'HD-lite'. It's simply a matter of degree. I'd rather have 50GB of grainless 4K than 50GB of 2K. True 1080p looks actually quite good using only 9GB, easily fitting on a standard DVD. It may benefit from being a 15GB file, but not nearly as much from being a 50GB file. 4K using 50GB is the same quality as using 12GB-15GB 1080p file, but with 4x the resolution. The audio file won't take up any more space, which is good, since it could be as much as 3-5GB of the space.

I thought it was interesting to read this at the head of the AVSForum news feeds today:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1062942

We're not even going to sell BD. We decided to go with Vudu for HD. Not quite as good (yet), but at least it won't be obsolete. They're now delivering 1080p movies, though more compressed until we get better internet infrastructure.

Video on demand is going to end up killing off cable, satellite, BD, everything. Even satellite understands this. Why put up $10M satellites when you can use upcoming infrastructure? I foresee subscribing directly to the Sci-Fi channel, for instance, and having access to all of their programming. Or subscribing to CNN or Fox. Or even HBO for movie downloads. No commercials. Buy what you want. Real competition between channels and programming.

BD will be the last shiny polycarbonate physical medium.

BD will be the last shiny polycarbonate physical medium.

Dizz, For the mass market consumer, I agree 100%.

Within a few years many of us, depending on internet speed, will have a library consisting of every film and program ever archived and watchable in real time. A single "All you can eat" subscription a la Napster etc will be the norm. All IMHO, but I think its a safe bet and not a stretch at all, infrastructure dependent.

Take care.

Do expect internet to keep up with a billion people streaming 50Mbits HD content? Perhaps the net part of it will but can the servers really push out all that content? The only solution is file sharing. That increases the server capacity by orders of magnitude. But would you give away all your content to "protected" file sharing. When the spirit is out of the bottle how can you get back inside. Free will always look cheaper to most people over any payment plan even if it is good value.

Do expect internet to keep up with a billion people streaming 50Mbits HD content? Perhaps the net part of it will but can the servers really push out all that content? The only solution is file sharing. That increases the server capacity by orders of magnitude. But would you give away all your content to "protected" file sharing. When the spirit is out of the bottle how can you get back inside. Free will always look cheaper to most people over any payment plan even if it is good value.

There are already a number of content providers working on closed loop server nets to do just that.:) Sorry if that's not the proper technical term.

Sorry there are no big lasers this year.:D

http://www.kontiki.com/

they are just one. the future will be download. a client on a box that allows you to order ahead of time, it pre loads on the box, it is reached via peer to peer networks, when you have not watched something for a while it may dump part of it, there are loads of variables to lighten the load, to pre load, to watch your tendencies and predict other things you will want.

There are so many really clever things that it is mind blowing. K openly talks about the fact that they never set out to make a DVD server... they started (and much of their early work and patent portfolio is about) content delivery over the internet. The whole DVD thing was to gain the trust of studios etc, in order to eventually get the content.

Not sure how it is all working out now, i have been gone for two years, but there are a few others in the valley working on similar types of things... Vudu, ZillionTV, and many others. So whether you accept it or not, that is the future. BD is merely a stop gap.

coldmachine
Not even a technology demo? :(

Dizzman
My question os if there is technology to keep the content from escaping the closed loop. Are VPNs so safe as to make this work? If so I am not complaining just abit surprised.

coldmachine
Not even a technology demo? :(

Maybe there will be that sealed unit lamp replacement we saw a while back.

Four things need to happen.

1. Using an appliance so that there is no fear of mainstream hacking off a windows PC or the like.
2. heavy duty (we are talking NSA grade) security in the connections from the provider to the appliance.
3. Solid high speed connections. 6meg and up or somewhere like that. (and no bandwidth capping form the ISP)
4. Content MUST be hard coded to your appliance. AND, there have to be ways to tell if you copied your content off somehow (videoing the screen, copying the analog outputs... whatever)

once those things are in place, we have A. a business model of the appliance and the content. B. enough security in place to satisfy the content owners that their copyright will be respected.

Only then will the keys to the kingdom be revealed. And BTW, this response would have been EXACTLY the same yesterday before the EE release.

Hollywood has always had the same concerns and content drives EVERYTHING