I recently had a professional ISF calibrator out at my home to do my Mits 57732. He spent about 3.5 hours working on the TV. He was very polite and professional. When he was done, the picture looked great. I saw shadows that I had never seen before! The only problem was the when you changed my DTV stations, there were some that required me to adjust the color. Some stations looked better at 32 and others looked better at 23.

Being that I have both my DTV output and my PS3 output coming into my Onkyo receiver and then 1 output to the TV, the calibrator only set-up that 1 input, and I had him adjust it to the 1080P level because I wanted it as perfect as possible for our family's Blu-rays watching.

The calibrator said this was NOT unusual because of the how the shows are broadcasted. Every station broadcast differently.

My question is this, is it normal to have to constantly adjust the color depending on which station you are watching after you have had your set professionally calibrated?

Is there anything that you might suggest that I talk to the calibrator about to correct this issue?

Thank you for your feedback in advance. Maybe I have overlooked it in this forum but I did not this was the case after paying to have a professional calibration done.

Greetings

Unless you can tell us which TV station sends out a reference signal ... (none) then it is a crap shoot as to what each show will look like when the TV itself is set up for a reference signal.

Calibrating a TV does not make trillions of dollars of broadcast equipment suddenly become reference ... they have to do that themselves. Now you get to see how close the shows get to reference.

So does the onkyo only output 1080p to the TV? Or does it change depending on what you feed it? If a cable signal is 480 ... does the TV get 480? or does it get 1080p? If native signals are getting through to the TV ... then the TV might be able to handle additional scan rates and have separate memories for them.

Separate settings for 720 p ... versus 1080i for instance. If this is what you are doing, then each rate has to be calibrated separately and depending on what you asked of the calibrator ... "i'm paying for only one signal type" ... then the other signals remain uncalibrated.

Regards

I have an older Mits and I have mine run the same way you are running yours. All of my sources (PS3, Xbox 360, DVR, HDDVD) go through the receiver to the TV. For mine, I calibrated to the PS3 as that is now the player I watch most movies on.

I have my receiver send the signal directly to the TV from each source with no processing. I let the source handle that. I've never seen a case where I would want to adjust the color. With HDNET, there are some instances where the brightness being turned down a few notches help, but most of the time I just leave it alone. I have a TW 8300HD as my DVR, btw.

What made you think you needed to adjust the color down so much? Is there a specific program/station you make this change to?

Unfortunately, like Michael above states, we are at the mercy of most broadcast stations. The only one I know of that even broadcasts a test pattern on a regular basis to check your settings is HDNET, but even that is HDNET specific.

"I have my receiver send the signal directly to the TV from each source with no processing. I let the source handle that."

I have an Onkyo 605, and I'm not sure if I'm allowing this to happen at this time or not? I just re-read through my instruction manual and I can't seem to locate that infomation. How do you know for sure whether or not you have this set-up correctly?

"What made you think you needed to adjust the color down so much?"

The calibrator showed me how much to adjust it up or down as he had me change to some of the channels that I normally watch. He was the one that came up with the numbers 23 and 32.

On my DTV receiver, should all 4 TV resolutions (480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i) be checked or just certain ones? My TV can handle 1080p. Also, should Native be turned on or off?

Greetings

Sounds like multiple scan rate settings. set output to 1080p and see if the other channels are weird.

regards

How do I do that on the Onkyo receiver? Or do you mean 1080i on the DTV receiver?

Connecting HDMI components to your 605 receiver will simply pass the signal thru to the HDMI out with no processing. If you connect a 1080i component source this signal is actually downconverted to 720P. All other analog sources (Composite, Svideo) are converted to 480P I believe. As far as adjusting the colors to 23 or 32... well I can't say I agree on that. No way to know what your color setting should be from channel to channel. I'm sure you calibrator calibrrated the input to a reference signal generator. That's really the best you can do for broadcast since each channel varies from reference. I'm not too familiar with the Mitsu, but as Michael states some televisions will support separate memories for difference scan rates. In your case I would have the calibrator do 1080P for your PS3, 720P for you HD satellite (or 1080i, whichever you prefer. I prefer 720P) and 480P since I believe the 605 will upconvert all other analog signals to that resolution.

Anyway, in a nutshell the HDMI inputs are simply passed thru to the HDMI output with no conversion or processing.

The other issue is the fact that the TV thinks all the channels are HD and mastered to that spec when the DTV (is that DirecTV? Or an HD cable box? Same affect, actually) outputs a signal.
The problem lies in the fact that if it is an NTSC signal, the TV is adjusting to the wrong Color Space with incorrect Black Level as the Set Top Box is outputting HD resolution and the TV adjusts accordingly.
As a result, as Michael and others point out, it's a crap shoot as to what you are going to get.

I calibrated a 65732 a few months ago and I'm fairly certain that for this model, there was only one calibration for each color temperature setting. There was not one for each scan rate. Since DLP is a fixed display, there really isn't a need to do this as all material will be converted to the native scan rate regardless of what the source material is sent as. Also, for the user settings (PerfectColor/PerfectTint), that is adjusted per input, not per scan rate.

What I do on my DVR is set it to only output 720p and 1080i. This way SD channels will be upconverted to 720p by the DVR before being sent to the TV. (My TV is 720p native) I like this for two reasons: First, all SD will be converted to 720p by the DVR instead of by my TV. The DVR seems to do a little better job at this. Second, I see all HD 720p stations in 720p and all 1080i stations in 1080i (which is converted to 720p by my TV since it is a 720p DLP). For me, this seems to be the best overall setup.

I'm with scooper on the color changes. To come up with 23 and 32 seems like pulling a rabbit out of a hat sort of. Since there's no real way to test the incoming signal to see if 23 or 32 is correct, how did he come up with those numbers??? With cable/sat, you really have to calibrate to a known and use those numbers. You can't trust they will display the source accurately.

If it were me, I would start with only 720p and 1080i checked on your DVR. Tune to some fox/abc/natgeo or another HD station that natively sends a 720p signal. See how your tv handles the upconversion. Then you can also try 1080i and do the same thing. Depending on your TV's ability to deinterlace a picture, you might get a better signal with 720p source material with it being sent as 720p. On the other hand, if your TV deinterlaces correctly, then you could only check 1080i and then your TV can handle the work. This is something that trial and error will tell.

Also, with the color settings, unless you see something fundamentally wrong with the picture, you should go with the setting he came up with during the calibration and leave it there.

What I do on my DVR is set it to only output 720p and 1080i. This way SD channels will be upconverted to 720p by the DVR before being sent to the TV. (My TV is 720p native) I like this for two reasons: First, all SD will be converted to 720p by the DVR instead of by my TV. The DVR seems to do a little better job at this. Second, I see all HD 720p stations in 720p and all 1080i stations in 1080i (which is converted to 720p by my TV since it is a 720p DLP). For me, this seems to be the best overall setup.

This does nothing for correct Black Level or Color Space for NTSC material. It merely (and only possibly) matches pixel phase for HD signals, but alters all other image parameters. The only way around this would be to make an S-VHS connection available for all non-HD channels.
Agreed, that would be an incredible inconvenience, however, there is no other way to get one Set Top Box to do everything correctly.
Additionally, some channels run "hot" with respect to Saturation on DirecTv. CNN, for example, is intentionally pumped up so it looks good on "tired" airport televisions.

This does nothing for correct Black Level or Color Space for NTSC material. It merely (and only possibly) matches pixel phase for HD signals, but alters all other image parameters.

I didn't say that it changed the color space or black levels. It's just the way I prefer to have it set up. My TV is just going to convert the pic to 720p anyway, so from my experimentation, there really isn't a difference in the picture (positive or negative) between the DVR doing it or my TV doing it. So I have the DVR do it.

OK, from what I have read on this board and others I now understand that there will be differences in color between programs with the way I have my TV set-up and the fact I only had 1 input calibrated.

I really don't want to change my set-up and I think my calibrator did a very good job, so my question now is this..........

Since my TV (Mits 57732) supposedly upconverts everything to 1080p (no matter what is shown when you hit "Info"), based on the information that I have read and there is no way to turn this off or adjust it. Knowing this, and the fact that my TV is calibrated to the 1080p specifications, my questions are.........

On my Direct TV receiver (HR-21) you have the option to turn "Native" on or off. You also have the option to pick and choose which resolutions that you would like. It offers you 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i. Should I have "Native" turned on or off and which of these resolution boxes should be checked off?

Also on my Onkyo 605 receiver, it allows you to set the resolution at "Auto" or 720p in it's hidden menu. It also allows you to adjust settings like contrast, hue, sharpness, brightness, and I think one other that I can't seem to remember at this moment. The scale for these adjustments is from 1 to 100. Should I turn the resolution to "Auto" or 720p, and should I make any adjustments with the hidden settings?

I guess my question is, if my TV has been calibrated to the 1080p specifications and it upconverts everything to 1080p regardless of what it labels the program, should I allow my DTV receiver and/or Onkyo receiver to upconvert anything or should I just allow everything to pass through naturally and let the TV handle any and all upconversion? If so, how exactly do I do this to make sure everything is working properly?

Thank you!

Greetings

So if the TV have format memories ... and 1080p is calibrated ... then something like 1080i or 720p or 480i/p would not be calibrated at all. If you feed anything other than a 1080p signal to the TV ... you get an uncalibrated image.

So as long as the Onkyo keeps sending out anything other than 1080p ... you get a mix of calibrated and uncalibrated images.

I'd probably fix the onkyo at 1080p and set the satellite to 1080i for everything.

Regards

The onkyo 605 does not upconvert incoming HDMI signals. The HDMI ports on the Onkyo are strictly pass through. That being the case the only 1080P source you have will be your PS3. I normally recommend going straight to the television from each source as long as you have enough inputs which I believe you do on that particular Mitsu. That way you could calibrate one input for 1080p/24 and the other for 1080i and be done with it.

But Mitsubishi DLPs do not have separate calibrations for different resolutions. You only have one for each color temp. That's it. Anything that was calibrated for 1080p will still be calibrated when it is fed any other signal type. Trust me, I own one and have calibrated many others.

Since your Onkyo simply passes the signal through, I would set your DVR to "Native" and enable 720p and 1080i.

Try that setup and see what you think. It's not going to hurt for your DVR to send the SD channels as 720p. Then any 720p channels will also be sent as 720p and 1080i channels will be sent as 1080i and your TV can do the conversion from there. So the only thing that the DVR will upconvert will be the SD channels. All HD channels will be sent natively and the TV will do the upconversions for those.

The service level adjustments are global to the inputs by color temp, but the consumer level adjustments are stored by input, including the color temp.

The service level adjustments are global to the inputs by color temp, but the consumer level adjustments are stored by input, including the color temp.

Precisely. But the color temp that you adjust in the service menu is going to be the same regardless of input. You can select one of two (or three depending on model) temps and of course the normal Contrast, Brightness, Color, Tint, PerfectColor, PerfectTint settings which are also independant per input.

But that's per input, not input per resolution. In the OPs case where he is running everything through his Onkyo, he needs to find one calibrated setting that looks good for everything (or is at least close). For me it was the PS3 since I watch the majority of movies on that.

Well, you can use the two color temp settings like presets and have them remembered for a given input if you wanted or needed them to be discrete. There is no reason that they have to be set in the ranges that they come from the factory and they are stored for a given input, as are all of the other settings in the consumer menu, including PC & PT.

True, and if you had two sources that had significant differences in gray reproduction, then this would be the only way to handle that.

First off, I would like to thank everyone for responding and giving their input. It has been very much appreciated.

After playing around with this whole thing and talking with everyone on here and with my calibrator, I think I have come to the conclusion that since my TV has been calibrated to the 1080p setting for our PS3, I'm going to leave it as is.

I think the best way to get the most calibrated video out of my current set-up, would have been doing the following (note that I said "most calibrated video" and not "best set-up" -- audio issue):

1) Run component cables from my DTV receiver to my Onkyo and then HDMI from my Onkyo to my Mits 57732. This would have aloud me to change the Onkyo settings from "Auto" to "720p," and with this I could have made sure that every signal going into the TV was that of 720p. At this time, I could have had this HDMI input on my TV calibrated to the 720p specs, allowing for the adjustments in the hidden menu in the Onkyo.

2) Run a HDMI cable from my PS3 directly to my Mits TV, and had this input calibrated to the 1080p specs. The only problem with this set-up, is that I believe I would lose the new audio codes from my Blu-rays because I don't think they transmit over anything other than HDMI. With the HDMI cable going directly to my TV, I would have had to use an optical cable to my Onkyo, thus not being able to detect those new codes.

Final decision is to leave things as is and be very happy with about 1/3 of my DTV channels and all of my Blu-rays! :)