HeffeMusic: Go to Sound City. The address is 58 West 45th in Manhattan. Ask for Steve in the audio department. They are an authorized Paradigm dealer and they do discount.6ave and 45th street they are the best and expect to get educated.

For those who are not happy with their centers, I kind of know what you mean. At times it sounds very lacking, you see that beefy center and your like WTF why does it sound so muted. But at least in my case, it varies from source to source. Some TV program, DVD's, BD, sound great, others sound very muted. On the muted ones, I switch to Stereo mode and there is a HUGE difference. I was thinking there was something wrong with my 690, but if there was, it would always be bad (muted), not vary from source to source. I also have placement issues due to the size as well. Overall I am happy with it, but I have experienced what some of you are saying. I have an Onkyo 806, I notice when I switch to THX Cinema mode, the muted effect is more noticeable. When I run in native formats, it sounds a lot better. I even thought about getting an amp, but I doubt it would help. There are so many things that could be causing this, Audyssey for one... I should do some testing but I am tired of tinkering...:o

HeffeMusic: Go to Sound City. The address is 58 West 45th in Manhattan. Ask for Steve in the audio department. They are an authorized Paradigm dealer and they do discount.


Unfortunately Sound City's gone due to the bad economy. Steve is now working at CAPITAL AUDIO ELECTRONICS - 120 Duane St. - 212-964-9400

* They are also an authorized Paradigm dealer but not for the Reference Line.

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I am tired of tinkering...:o

:eek: blasphemy :eek:

:D

Unfortunately Sound City's gone due to the bad economy. Steve is now working at CAPITAL AUDIO ELECTRONICS - 120 Duane St. - 212-964-9400

* They are also an authorized Paradigm dealer but not for the Reference Line.

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Sorry to hear that. I bought a lot of gear over the years in Sound City. At least Steve is working.

Unfortunately Sound City's gone due to the bad economy.

Beat me to it. I just walked over there a few weeks back and the store was empty and there was a red eviction notice on the door. :(

Hmm..

Sorry to hear about the bad QC.. :(

I'll make sure the dealer checks them out before I get them shipped..

I don't want to have to make the 6 hour round trip to take them back!

Unfortunately Sound City's gone due to the bad economy. Steve is now working at CAPITAL AUDIO ELECTRONICS - 120 Duane St. - 212-964-9400

* They are also an authorized Paradigm dealer but not for the Reference Line.

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Thanks for that info. I work near there and went to Sound City before it closed its doors back in late February. One of guys there mentioned they were moving across the street starting the next month (that would be March) but when I went back there I could not find any sign of them. I bought an entry level Paradigm system from Steve about 5 years ago. Still loving it.

Thanks for that info. I work near there and went to Sound City before it closed its doors back in late February. One of guys there mentioned they were moving across the street starting the next month (that would be March) but when I went back there I could not find any sign of them. I bought an entry level Paradigm system from Steve about 5 years ago. Still loving it.


Just went on the Paradigm Website and used the Dealer Locator. There is still a Paradigm dealer (both standard and reference line) on 45th Street.
J&V AUDIO INC.
55 W 45TH ST., 4TH FLOOR
NEWYORK, NY
10036
917-449-8845

Maybe the SoundCity owners did move across the street afterall?


As for Capital Audio Electronics, I could not find mention of them on the Paradigm site.

Just went on the Paradigm Website and used the Dealer Locator. There is still a Paradigm dealer (both standard and reference line) on 45th Street.
J&V AUDIO INC.
55 W 45TH ST., 4TH FLOOR
NEWYORK, NY
10036
917-449-8845

Maybe the SoundCity owners did move across the street afterall?

I've known the people from Sound City for years. I was actually there when they were closing the store. Jack (one of the owners) said he was trying to get a partner to open a smaller store maybe across the street but he couldn't find anyone willing to invest money due to the economy. So he was forced to close Sound City. Maybe he finally found someone ?!?


As for Capital Audio Electronics, I could not find mention of them on the Paradigm site.

Strange...

That's exactly how I found Steve.

Since Sound City was closing, I was trying to find another dealer to buy a pair Studio 20's or 10's v5. at discounted price. Did a Dealer locator search and got:

AUDIO VIDEO CENTER (133 Bowery)
AUDIO VIDEO SALON (1553 2nd Ave)
CAPITAL AUDIO ELECTRONICS

I already knew AVC and AVS so I decided to go downtown to check CAE and for my surprise, Steve was working there. Gonna call Steve and ask if he knows anything.

Just went on the Paradigm Website and used the Dealer Locator. There is still a Paradigm dealer (both standard and reference line) on 45th Street.
J&V AUDIO INC.
55 W 45TH ST., 4TH FLOOR
NEWYORK, NY
10036
917-449-8845

Maybe the SoundCity owners did move across the street afterall?

I've known the people from Sound City for years. I was actually there when they were closing the store. Jack (one of the owners) said he was trying to get a partner to open a smaller store maybe across the street but he couldn't find anyone willing to invest money due to the economy. So he was forced to close Sound City.

Maybe he finally found someone ?!?


As for Capital Audio Electronics, I could not find mention of them on the Paradigm site.

Strange, that's exactly how I found Steve...

Since Sound City was closing, I was trying to find another dealer to buy a pair of Studio 20's or 10's v5 at discounted price. Did a Paradigm Dealer locator search and got:

AUDIO VIDEO CENTER (133 Bowery)
AUDIO VIDEO SALON (1553 2nd Ave)
CAPITAL AUDIO ELECTRONICS

I already knew AVC and AVS so I decided to go downtown to check CAE and for my surprise, Steve was working there. Gonna call Steve and ask if he knows anything.

I did a search but didn't see anything. Is there a list of the Canadian MSRP of the Paradigm V5 and new subs?

Raptorsys, are those 100s Cherry or Rosenut in your pics?

Raptorsys, are those 100s Cherry or Rosenut in your pics?


All Cherry!


Brian

Could someone post some more pics of the Studio 60 or 100 V5 in ROSEWOOD? It'll have to tide me over until I move to a bigger place and upgrade.

Could someone post some more pics of the Studio 60 or 100 V5 in ROSEWOOD? It'll have to tide me over until I move to a bigger place and upgrade.

Try post 678 on page 23 or post 393 on page 14. On page 3 there are several posts that show the studios in black, rosenut and cherry side by side but the one in cherry is cut off and the studio in rosenut is the 20, but you get the main idea of the color difference.

Here is a sample of the 100's in rosenut.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/mkr12162/StereoPics092-1.jpg

Could someone post some more pics of the Studio 60 or 100 V5 in ROSEWOOD? It'll have to tide me over until I move to a bigger place and upgrade.

The v5's have been out for a while now (ok, it just feels like a while to me), but where are the major reviews? When are they coming?!?!

The v5's have been out for a while now (ok, it just feels like a while to me), but where are the major reviews? When are they coming?!?!

Playback Magazine (formerly The Perfect Vision) has a review of the 60's in their latest issue.

http://playback.avguide.com/issue/18

Just went on the Paradigm Website and used the Dealer Locator. There is still a Paradigm dealer (both standard and reference line) on 45th Street.
J&V AUDIO INC.
55 W 45TH ST., 4TH FLOOR
NEWYORK, NY
10036
917-449-8845

Maybe the SoundCity owners did move across the street afterall?


As for Capital Audio Electronics, I could not find mention of them on the Paradigm site.


Here's an update...


Just paid J&V Audio a visit. It's indeed owned by Jack (Sound City). The new store isn't open yet (lotta stuff still need to be installed) but it's open for business. And He's willing to give a discount. :)

Also spoke with Steve. He said Capital Audio is getting a full-line authorization from Paradigm. He's not sure why it was removed from the list but he'll call Paradigm to find out what's the problem.

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Here's an update...


Just paid J&V Audio a visit. It's indeed owned by Jack (Sound City). The new store isn't open yet (lotta stuff still need to be installed) but it's open for business. And He's willing to give a discount. :)

Also spoke with Steve. He said Capital Audio is getting a full-line authorization from Paradigm. He's not sure why it was removed from the list but he'll call Paradigm to find out what's the problem.

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Good to know. Thanks.

just curious to know if the new Studio 100's, 690cc and adp-590's will sound too bright in my room considering the fact that I have laminate flooring instead of carpet and the room is completely open concept to the kitchen?

just curious to know if the new Studio 100's, 690cc and adp-590's will sound too bright in my room considering the fact that I have laminate flooring instead of carpet and the room is completely open concept to the kitchen?I can't answer such a question, but I can add my 2¢. It continues to amaze me that people will spend thousands on new equipment and do nothing for their room acoustics. Go to www.realtraps.com and do some reading. For the cost of a cheap HTIB, you can improve your sound quality to a level that even $100,000 spent on equipment couldn't match.

just curious to know if the new Studio 100's, 690cc and adp-590's will sound too bright in my room considering the fact that I have laminate flooring instead of carpet and the room is completely open concept to the kitchen?

A nice thick area rug in front of the speakers will do wonders as a starter.

A nice thick area rug in front of the speakers will do wonders as a starter.Well, better than nothing.

Good to know. Thanks.

You're Welcome. :)

While at J&V Audio, I asked Jack about the Studio 10.
He had one pair in stock just waiting for me. :D :D :D

Here's my new setup:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8659/nstp01.jpg



The sub is a Sunfire HRS-8 (http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8659/nstp01.jpg).



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I just went to a trade show for audio equipment here in Montreal, called Salon Son et Image, and enjoyed the paradigm demo a lot. They had a small room with studio 60s v5 in a 5.1 config, as well as some signatures (s6) in gorgeous black (too bad that glossy black is not available in the studio line).

Anyway, just wanted to say the 60s sounded great and very musical, not obnoxious or weak, just stately and more of a gentleman's speaker. They didn't crank it but it seemed like it would be plenty clear at normal listening volumes which is important for me because I can rarely crank my speakers in my apartment anyway, and any new speaker would have to sound good at low volume too. They had a demo of Chieli Mucchini (awesome guitarist!) and an exerpt of Rush Hour 2. I'm not sure if 60's would be great for a larger room, but they didn't push it so I'm not too worried.

If I do end up with a studio speaker, it will probably be a 100 in rosenut (I didn't like the Cherry in person for some reason, the Monitor Audio booth had a much nicer red colour in their cherry speakers). As an aside, I also heard this speaker called Arabesque that was made out of glass with a ribbon tweeter and sounded 10x better than anything else in the whole place, bar none. I didn't check the price, but was amazed along with my girlfriend at the superb detail they gave. The internal cabinets were of a teardrop shape (they are transparent). If I do get a ribbon tweet-based speaker it'll probably be a copy of this sea shell design I'll ask my mate to make. But who knows...I really liked the new studios, although the signature was in another category (though the price was out of the question). The other speaker I was hoping to hear in person was Klipsch THX ultra 2s, although neither they nor B&W made an appearance. They were even supposed to be there too. I don't get it. I'm very disappointed in B&W lately, CM9s were a big disappointment to me, sadly. Gooo Paradigm! first time hearing their upscale line-up. very impressed

The v.5 Studio 60's should be more than enough in an apparentment. Actually so would the 20's. It would depend more on the quality of amplifier IMHO.

I will be moving into a new town home in about 2 weeks. So the size of my "mains" is important. While I think I would like the 100's more I wonder if they would be "too much speaker" for the room. No one wants to be the "annoying neighbor".

But again. Have yet to demo the v.5 system (along with the others I'm considering like the PSB Synchrony, KEF iQ and XQ).

I am looking forwards to demoing the v.5. :)

The 10's look good Bruzzi. As do the rest of the v.5 line. Where is your center speaker?

Bruzzi.... you still buying those Panasonic Plasma's...

Ok Ok... So am I.... :)

What can I say, I was overdue and picked up a 65 :)

II really liked the new studios, although the signature was in another category (though the price was out of the question).

Just curious - can you be a little more specific? I obviously agree, but it's often hard to describe in words, especially on a board, why they are in another league.

Just curious - can you be a little more specific? I obviously agree, but it's often hard to describe in words, especially on a board, why they are in another league.

I know this is not directed towards me, but I'll comment as I have heard both.

The Sigs are much tighter and more controlled, less bright and handle power better then the studios by a long stretch. The Be tweeters are amongst the best tweeters I have heard even next to ribbons they are very comparable without the directive or beaming nature of a ribbon. The Studio's may have pretty cabinets now, but they don't come close to the capabilities of the Sigs...

That is just my opinion having spent time with both.....

Looking forward to the upgrade to the Sigs after I get settled with the D2v and get my room more in order...

Yeah, what he said :)

Just better engineered and obviously so. The drivers blended together more smoothly to my ear, and the tweeter was real nice (smooth and effortless like gliding on buttah). They were playing a silky voiced woman singing "I'm in Heaven" -- for effect no doubt. I don't personally think they would be worth more than 2x the price though, esp compared to ribbon tweeters which might different flaws but their positives (massive amounts of detail tickling your earbuds) IMO outweigh their negatives. I also loved the MA platinum 100 bookshelfs for the same reason. But for sure the Paradigms were great too. More listening is needed before I make my next 10-year commitment. As for the 60s vs 100s, I'd prefer to buy the 100s and have extra rather than skimp now and regret it when I upgrade my living situation. I play pianoteq thru my midi keyboard and want those extra bass drivers and 7-inch mids to handle it all gracefully. Piano is tough to get right without distortion, this is where a lot of speakers fail miserably and the Paradigms (the 60s and the s6s both) sounded great. Based on how good the 60s were, I kinda doubt the S6 would crush the 100s, given the difference in number of drivers and overall surface area, regardless of whether the tweeter is that much better. If I was buying a speaker just for the tweeter I'd probably just get a ribbon-based bookshelf and be done with it.

The 10's look good Bruzzi. Where is your center speaker?

Thanks. :)

After moving to a very small studio apartment, I decided not to use a center channel anymore. Over the years, I was planning to get one but preferred to save the money and upgrade the Plasma TV instead. :D

Now I'm living in a much larger studio (moved in about a month ago) so I'll definitively get the matching CC-490 in the next few weeks. Hopefully it doesn't sound muddy ?!?

But first (and yet again... :D) I want to upgrade my current Plasma and then decide if I keep the Ikea stand and mount the center speaker at the top or buy a new TV stand with a shelf to mount the center speaker beneath the TV.

Bruzzi.... you still buying those Panasonic Plasma's...

Ok Ok... So am I.... :)

What can I say, I was overdue and picked up a 65 :)


Hehehehehee...

I'm addicted to Panasonic Plasmas. ;)
And I'm getting another one in few weeks. :D :D :D

What is the thoughts of using a studio 10 or 20 as a center channel instead of a 590? It seems that the centers have been getting a bad rap and is considerably more costly than purchasing one studio 10 or 20.

What is everyones thoughts? I understand say one 60 or 100 would be better but would be very hard to place in the center due to their size unless you had a drop down screen.

Thoughts?

3 identical speakers across the front is the optimal setup... the horizontal center channels are a compromise in SQ.... If you can swing it - do it..

Or a vertical laid out speaker in the center like say - a pair of studio 100's or 60's and a 10 or 20 for a center would be preferred, though you should be aware that for movies you want something that will be able to keep up with the mains and the Studio 10 may fall a bit shorter then the 20 with the larger driver/woofer when it comes to output depending on your listening levels....

With that layout you will have far better dispersion and not suffer from the lobing and off axis issues that horizontal center channels suffer from.

Google "horizontal center channels" and see what you learn

I came up with this (http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=89614) in one search... tons more info out there though..

3 identical speakers across the front is the optimal setup... the horizontal center channels are a compromise in SQ.... If you can swing it - do it..I agree, completely, but let's point out that the latest Paradigm centers are 3ways with the mid and tweeter arrayed vertically. This is a big advance on the typical horizontal array.

3 identical speakers across the front is the optimal setup... the horizontal center channels are a compromise in SQ.... If you can swing it - do it..

Or a vertical laid out speaker in the center like say - a pair of studio 100's or 60's and a 10 or 20 for a center would be preferred, though you should be aware that for movies you want something that will be able to keep up with the mains and the Studio 10 may fall a bit shorter then the 20 with the larger driver/woofer when it comes to output depending on your listening levels....

With that layout you will have far better dispersion and not suffer from the lobing and off axis issues that horizontal center channels suffer from.

Google "horizontal center channels" and see what you learn

I came up with this (http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=89614) in one search... tons more info out there though..

I just ordered Studio 20s for my fronts ( live in a 1 bedroom in NY). How do you think a Studio 10 would work as the center channel?

I agree, completely, but let's point out that the latest Paradigm centers are 3ways with the mid and tweeter arrayed vertically. This is a big advance on the typical horizontal array.

Kal - Aren't you doing a review of the Paradigms? If so, what issue will it be in?

Kal - Aren't you doing a review of the Paradigms? If so, what issue will it be in?

1. Yes.
2. Dunno. I am in the midst of my busiest season of teaching.

Kal

I have heard that line of thought. To use identical speakers. But for most of that it's impossible. Especially if we insist on towers for mains. I mean lets say we buy a pair of Studio 100's for mains. Should be buy a third and use it as the center? Then where would we put our plasma TV's? You'd need a room the size of a small auditorium with 15-20 foot ceilings. :)

As Kal said...I think Paradigm comes awfully close to providing near identical speakers with the CC690 if used with a pair of 100's. :)

But since the center does most of the work I'm considering a pair of Studio 60's for mains instead. And buying a CC690 for the center. And a pair of 10's or 20's for surrounds. Can't do 7.1 so only 2 surround speakers for me.

Again...IF I love what I hear with the v.5 system.

I have heard that line of thought. To use identical speakers. But for most of that it's impossible. Especially if we insist on towers for mains. I mean lets say we buy a pair of Studio 100's for mains. Should be buy a third and use it as the center? Then where would we put our plasma TV's? You'd need a room the size of a small auditorium with 15-20 foot ceilings. :) I have no problem with a plasma mounted above my trio of Studio/60s.

As Kal said...I think Paradigm comes awfully close to providing near identical speakers with the CC690 if used with a pair of 100's. :)I never said that. I said that the new centers have fewer issues than the older ones or, indeed, those of most other manufacturers. I did not say anything about how closely they match the 100s. How could I? I never heard the combination.

Sorry Kal. My mistake. :)

3 Studio 60's? I'll pass. My future HT room will have ceilings roughly 8 feet high. Probably a little lower. So I will have to go with using a center designed to be placed in a horizontal position. Never noticed any issues before. Or none that I could hear.

3 Studio 60's? I'll pass. My future HT room will have ceilings roughly 8 feet high. Probably a little lower. So I will have to go with using a center designed to be placed in a horizontal position. Never noticed any issues before. Or none that I could hear.I should have added that this is with an 8' ceiling. Perfectly comfortable viewing and listening.

The 690 center is a very good center and provides good dispersion, but it is a horizontal speaker which is a compromise for off axis response. If your seated in front of the center you will have less problems with these issues, but every room is different so YMMV.

Three vertical speakers across the front like Kal has is the optimum setup...

I have no complaints with what I have with the 690, though I would rather have 3 Studio 100's up front, but that is not going to happen.

1. Yes.
2. Dunno. I am in the midst of my busiest season of teaching.

Kal

Didn't know you were a teacher. Looking forward to your Paradigm review, whenever it comes out.

Ben

I am interested in hearing what other people think of the Paradigm v5 CC-590. I have listened to it for about 5 weeks now and I am, to put it mildly, very unhappy. Given that it is a speaker that has a MSRP of $1,200, I would expect a very good sound from it. Instead, it sounds boxy, voices are muted, and there is just no prescence with it. And that is not a good thing considering 90% of my listening is HT. I have it paired with v5 Studio 60's (which sound superb) and actually enjoy the sound of 2-channel viewing over 5.1 simply because the fronts sound so good and the center sounds so bad.

I did run into a problem when I first brought it home, in that the mid-range driver was not connected and was actually broken. It was replaced by the dealer and shipped back to me. So much for Paradigm QA and QC.

Anyway, no dealers in my area have the v5's on display as yet so I can't go and listen to another 590 for comparison. I have tried to like this speaker, but time hasn't improved it's performance as far as I am concerned. Now, I'm just a partially satisfied Paradigm customer. How do you feel about your 590?

Two additional weeks with these speakers has really made a difference in my opinion of their quality sound. One thing I did, and I slap myself for not doing it in the first place, is angle the 590 more towards the listening area. I have it placed under the LCD where the top of the 590 is about 20 inches from the floor and aimed straight ahead. I then angled it upwards so it aims more to ear level, and what a difference! Where before voices sounded somewhat muted, I now hear more clarity and sharpness. The dynamics have opened up as well so that there is an improved soundfield. I just find that I really like this speaker now.

I think one thing I also had to do with the Paradigm's is re-learn how things should sound all over again. By that, I mean that I am so used to the sound of Klipsch speakers that were rated at 95-96dB and were very loud and bombastic. The Paradigm's are rated at 91-92dB and have a more delicate sound. It definitely takes more to drive them, but my front three speakers are connected to an Emotiva XPA-3, so they have plenty of power. They instantly show you the sound quality of the source - whether it is sharp and clear or shallow and muted.

I am now a happy listener once again. The pairing of the Studio 60's with the 590 really makes for a sweet sounding system. :)

ez

Two additional weeks with these speakers has really made a difference in my opinion of their quality sound. One thing I did, and I slap myself for not doing it in the first place, is angle the 590 more towards the listening area. I have it placed under the LCD where the top of the 590 is about 20 inches from the floor and aimed straight ahead. I then angled it upwards so it aims more to ear level, and what a difference! Where before voices sounded somewhat muted, I now hear more clarity and sharpness. The dynamics have opened up as well so that there is an improved soundfield. I just find that I really like this speaker now.

Agreed. The speaker's sound seems to be greatly influenced by correct angle. My 590 is 7' away, and 1' below ear level. Angling the front feet up by 3/8" with some extra rubber feet made a big difference, surprisingly, even though that's only half as angled as it should be to hit ear level straight on, roughly. Dialog was much more transparent; it didn't sound like everyone was talking through a mask any more!

That considered, I'm disappointed in Paradigm for not making the feet adjustable; for a speaker of that price, I'd expect adjustable feet; it seems like the feet on the CC series were an afterthought. Like someone realized, "Hey, this thing needs a cradle or support of some sort", and someone else was like, "Okay, I'll whip one up," and that hardly any time or thought was given to its design.

Out of curiosity, what is everyone using to angle the center channels up? Mine is pretty visible (on the open top shelf on my black tv stand), and I'm trying to find something that won't stand out.

A side note: I was curious, so I started playing with some numbers. My 590 is a bit over 8 degrees below ear level, and the extra feet angled it up by a touch over 4 degrees. Honestly, I'm surprised the off-axis dispersion is that poor; 8 degrees shouldn't affect the speaker that much I'd think. I guess our ears are more sensitive to voices sounding accurate though, since we hear them all the time, so maybe that's why angle is so much more critical for a center channel.

Hey guys, I've got a question for board. I currently have a 2 studio 20's (fronts) and a cc-470 (all version 4, I believe). Currently powered by an Integra 4.5.

So my dealer came to me with a deal. Go figure, hehe. He's got an Integra 5.9 he can get me a good deal on and I'm debating picking up v.5 60's or 100's for the fronts and moving my 20's to the back. So here are my questions:

-Will I run into any issues w. v4 20's as my rears and a v5 fronts/center?
-How will the 5.9 handle the fronts/center? Eventually I'll add an amp (like an emotiva xpa-3) but who knows when.
-With the smaller drivers in the 60's, is it worth plunking down the extra cash for the 100's? (I know this one is a little more objective). I live in a townhouse and my movie room is incredibly large so part of me wants to get the 60's and part of me thinks about the possibility of a larger room when I move.
Lastly, would it be a mismatch to get the cc-590 with the 60's or 100's? I think the 690 is a little too big and expensive for me.

Phew, thanks for any input guys!

Personally, I'd rather spend the extra cash and avoid the regret of getting the smaller speaker. The same goes for the CC...I'd prefer to save up and get the larger one that will likely deliver a more seamless soundstage. Regret's a drag...

I'm likely going to upgrade my Studio 100 v3's to the v5's in the next few weeks. I'm going to audition them a few times to make sure that the upgrade is significant, but I'm pretty excited about the new line.

Jason

Lastly, would it be a mismatch to get the cc-590 with the 60's or 100's? I think the 690 is a little too big and expensive for me.

I have the Studio 60's paired with the 590 center and they are definitely a good match "if" the 590 is positioned properly. I have found that it really needs to be "aimed" at the listeners ear-level to enjoy all of it's goodness.

I think the 690 would overpower the 60's, but are a good match for the 100's.

Have fun with your shopping quest. :D

ez

I agree regret is a drag and a costly one!

I originally purchased a CC590 to go with my 100's up front. Although the match was decent, I couldn't keep myself from looking at the CC690. One month later I purchased the CC690 and sold the CC590.

I'm surprised the off-axis dispersion is that poor.

I believe they try to reduce vertical axis dispersion to reduce interaction with the floor and ceiling.

-Will I run into any issues w. v4 20's as my rears and a v5 fronts/center?


If this system is used for HT rather than 5-channel music, then absolutely not. You could run even an entirely different brand of speakers as rears and you wouldn't notice a difference.

- Dave

All,

I am getting that itch to upgrade. I have a Denon 4306 as my amp.

Equipment: 2 Monitor 5s v4, CC-370 v4, 2 mini-monitors v4. For my sub, I am using a JBL 12" (can't remember the model #).

Room size: 20x15

I am thinking about the Studio 60s, but concerned about price. Can anyone give me suggestions on what to pair? Thanks all!

Thanks for the help guys. I'm thinking if I can find a deal on the Onkyo SR806 then maybe that'll motivate me enough to make the upgrade. I'm not feeling the feature set of the DTR-5.9.

I definitely hear you guys on the regret comment. Of course, it's an expensive pill to swallow to build a s100/690 front stage. hehe.

I have the Studio 60's paired with the 590 center and they are definitely a good match "if" the 590 is positioned properly. I have found that it really needs to be "aimed" at the listeners ear-level to enjoy all of it's goodness.

I think the 690 would overpower the 60's, but are a good match for the 100's.

Have fun with your shopping quest. :D

ez

Why does paradigm recommend the cc690 for the 60's if they are too much

Why does paradigm recommend the cc690 for the 60's if they are too muchI cannot imagine how the CC690 can overpower the 60s if all is set up properly. The only downside to overkill is the co$t.

I know the new studio's are pretty neutral maybe a touch bright having heard them in a showroom, my question is my room has laminate floor instead of carpet will this cause the v5 100's, 690cc and adp-590's to sound overly bright?

I am powering them with a pioneer SC-07 until I purchase a dedicated amp which from what I have read is a warmer reciever.

I know the new studio's are pretty neutral maybe a touch bright having heard them in a showroom, my question is my room has laminate floor instead of carpet will this cause the v5 100's, 690cc and adp-590's to sound overly bright? The flooring will affect any speaker that you have or will have. What other surfaces and furnishings do you have?

I know the new studio's are pretty neutral maybe a touch bright having heard them in a showroom, my question is my room has laminate floor instead of carpet will this cause the v5 100's, 690cc and adp-590's to sound overly bright?

I am powering them with a pioneer SC-07 until I purchase a dedicated amp which from what I have read is a warmer reciever.


bright YES..... but that is an effect of the room...

My room is bright and I EQ the high end down some right now with my Pioneer receiver, but I'll be getting my Anthem D2v soon so we'll see what kind of effect that has on my setup, but I have plans to make lots of additional changes that will impact the brightness of my room.

I would suggest you look to treating your room.

Carpeting, acoustic panels and other methods can have a big impact on those effects.... They don't have to be ugly and can be tastefully done if you do your homework.

Hi all, I'm looking to set up a system for the first time. I'm currently in an apartment but will be moving into a house in the nearish future. I'm trying to stay as close to 2K as possible and have looked at the following setup.

Studio 20 -v5
CC290-v5
ADP390-v5
dsp 3100

I've gotten a couple different prices both locally and out of state (even in Canada cause I know someone in Toronto) and it seems like it's all over the place.
What do you guys think is the best I can do on this setup? Also, is there anything glaringly wrong with this system?
Thanks for your help, very much a newb here.

Hello everyone, Brand new to this thread, please help! I am replacing an aging NHT front array; 2.9 Towers C-2 Center; and am considering Studio 100's w/ 690 center or possibly Sig 6's w/ c-3 center. It is a shame that local dealers within 40 miles don't stock both of these systems for easier reference so it is great to have all of yoiur collective knowledge to learn from. Is the Sig series THAT much better?? Your help is very much appreciated!! I have a Bryston 3-channel; 300w x 3 and a 2-channel Anthem d-2 for my 5.1 channel system and a REL Stadium sub. Thank you for your time, John Fricano.

Hi all, I'm looking to set up a system for the first time. I'm currently in an apartment but will be moving into a house in the nearish future. I'm trying to stay as close to 2K as possible and have looked at the following setup.

Studio 20 -v5
CC290-v5
ADP390-v5
dsp 3100

I've gotten a couple different prices both locally and out of state (even in Canada cause I know someone in Toronto) and it seems like it's all over the place.
What do you guys think is the best I can do on this setup? Also, is there anything glaringly wrong with this system?
Thanks for your help, very much a newb here.

Hmm. The 20's are definitely a solid choice up front; they should last you quite a while. Actually, I recently bought a pair of 20 v5's and absolutely love them.

I'm assuming you'll need stands for the front speakers...keep that in mind when you get prices for stuff, as those can get expensive.

I'd listen to ADP's to make sure you like the way they sound. I know people seem to have mixed reviews/feelings on those; some like them, while others would prefer conventional speakers for surround use.

Finally, I'd look into a subwoofer from HSU, Epik, SVS, Velodyne, or some similar company (personally, I own a HSU STF-2 and am quite happy with it, especially considering the price). Paradigm subs don't seem to have the same reputation as their other speakers. It just seems like for what you spend on a Paradigm sub, you could've gotten more bang for your buck by going with another company.

Okay, one more final thought: If this is your first "hi-fi" or "real" home theater setup, I'd personally consider going one of 2 routes, given your budget.

1. Go with something from the Monitor series up front, such as the Mini Monitors. I have a pair of Mini Monitor v5's that I used up front before upgrading the the Studios, and the Monitors were great up front until I saved up for the Studios, at which point the Monitors moved to surround duty. It's just that the Studio series is a pretty big step above the Monitors, and I'd be concerned that you'd want to upgrade the other speakers soon so they'd be "up to par" with the Studio 20's. If you want to buy new, I'd say go for the Monitor series, but if you're okay with buying used, you may be able to manage a Studio series setup, at least for the front 3 speakers. MSRP prices here would be:

Mini Monitor v6: $440/pair (Man, prices jumped up on these for the v6's)
CC-290 v6: $500
ADP-190 (5.25" drivers, but that ought to be okay for surround use I think): $500
(It just seems like getting the 390's in back is a bit silly; you'd be spending way more on surround speakers than on the front pair. Alternatively, you could go with another pair of Mini Monitors, or even Atoms, for surround use)

You should be able to get 15% off the MSRP from the Paradigm dealers, which brings the above stuff to $1225 plus tax. That leaves you with a lot for a sub, and a receiver if you need one. For subs, my HSU STF-2 paired really well with the Mini Monitors, and set me back roughly $400 after shipping (you can see exact prices on HSU's website). Also, you can bug the dealer for closeout prices on outgoing models (v4 Studios and v5 Monitors)

2. If you really want the Studio series, I'd consider buying the system piece-by-piece (i.e. buy the 20's and a sub now, then add a CC-490 or 590, then the surround speakers, or something like that) or try to get them used off Audiogon or ebay. (Just checked Audiogon, and there's a pair of 20 v4's for $670)


Not saying those things are what you need to do; just giving some more suggestions you may not have thought of. :)

Great post cjv,

You can definitely get 15-25% off of cost with a dealer.

I have a connection in Toronto area if you need one - PM me.

The Studio 20s are definitely a nice speaker for a smaller size. The stands are stupidly expensive. The v4s sound great.

GL


Hmm. The 20's are definitely a solid choice up front; they should last you quite a while. Actually, I recently bought a pair of 20 v5's and absolutely love them.

I'm assuming you'll need stands for the front speakers...keep that in mind when you get prices for stuff, as those can get expensive.

I'd listen to ADP's to make sure you like the way they sound. I know people seem to have mixed reviews/feelings on those; some like them, while others would prefer conventional speakers for surround use.

Finally, I'd look into a subwoofer from HSU, Epik, SVS, Velodyne, or some similar company (personally, I own a HSU STF-2 and am quite happy with it, especially considering the price). Paradigm subs don't seem to have the same reputation as their other speakers. It just seems like for what you spend on a Paradigm sub, you could've gotten more bang for your buck by going with another company.

Okay, one more final thought: If this is your first "hi-fi" or "real" home theater setup, I'd personally consider going one of 2 routes, given your budget.

1. Go with something from the Monitor series up front, such as the Mini Monitors. I have a pair of Mini Monitor v5's that I used up front before upgrading the the Studios, and the Monitors were great up front until I saved up for the Studios, at which point the Monitors moved to surround duty. It's just that the Studio series is a pretty big step above the Monitors, and I'd be concerned that you'd want to upgrade the other speakers soon so they'd be "up to par" with the Studio 20's. If you want to buy new, I'd say go for the Monitor series, but if you're okay with buying used, you may be able to manage a Studio series setup, at least for the front 3 speakers. MSRP prices here would be:

Mini Monitor v6: $440/pair (Man, prices jumped up on these for the v6's)
CC-290 v6: $500
ADP-190 (5.25" drivers, but that ought to be okay for surround use I think): $500
(It just seems like getting the 390's in back is a bit silly; you'd be spending way more on surround speakers than on the front pair. Alternatively, you could go with another pair of Mini Monitors, or even Atoms, for surround use)

You should be able to get 15% off the MSRP from the Paradigm dealers, which brings the above stuff to $1225 plus tax. That leaves you with a lot for a sub, and a receiver if you need one. For subs, my HSU STF-2 paired really well with the Mini Monitors, and set me back roughly $400 after shipping (you can see exact prices on HSU's website). Also, you can bug the dealer for closeout prices on outgoing models (v4 Studios and v5 Monitors)

2. If you really want the Studio series, I'd consider buying the system piece-by-piece (i.e. buy the 20's and a sub now, then add a CC-490 or 590, then the surround speakers, or something like that) or try to get them used off Audiogon or ebay. (Just checked Audiogon, and there's a pair of 20 v4's for $670)


Not saying those things are what you need to do; just giving some more suggestions you may not have thought of. :)

I'll soon likely be upgrading to the new version of the Studio line. I just posted my v3 Studio 100 setup on A'gon if anyone's interested. Cherry 100's, cherry CC-570, and ADP-470s.

Jason

Cjv, thanks much for the detailed reply. I'm seriously new at this. The only reason I know Paradigm is a long time ago my parents got a Paradigm setup in their home and it still sounds great today. I also know of those awards for cost/what you get. When I went to the local shop I listened to the Atoms and the 20s. The 20s obviously blew away the Atoms (he didnt have the mini or titan in stock).
I'm really thinking of going the Studio route, though to be honest as a first timer it seems hard to spend that much on speakers. Watching movies is really something I enjoy though, so, I feel like the enjoyment factor outweighs the money factor. Or at least, over time it will lol.
The more I think about it and the more I read, it seems like a lot of people don't like the dipoles. Would it be stupid to have 20's up front and 10's in the back for surround? (not right now obviously cause of cost, but eventually add the 10's) My parents have old Titans in front with Atoms in the rear. It seems to work out okay for surround, maybe a little light though.

Can I ask where you're getting the list prices at?
I'm wondering what the prices should be on the cc490, cc590, studio20, studio10, dsp31/3200.

Also, how do you recommend finding a sub? I have very few shops around me and the paradigm guy only had the PDR10 and a small UltraCube.
Velodyne is one name I've heard before. I think it was the Optimum series I had heard about? It just seems difficult to pick one out without being able to listen to them =\
Thanks again for your help!

ps - I'd never heard of Audiogon before...I'll have to look around this site. I'm assuming it's reputable?

The more I think about it and the more I read, it seems like a lot of people don't like the dipoles. Would it be stupid to have 20's up front and 10's in the back for surround? (not right now obviously cause of cost, but eventually add the 10's) My parents have old Titans in front with Atoms in the rear. It seems to work out okay for surround, maybe a little light though.


I use Studio 100s as fronts and 20s as the rears for a 5.1 setup. Sounds really nice. Not sure what I will do when I move to 7.1 - whether to get the dipoles or not. I am leaning that way - but it will depend on the room I move it into for 7.1.

The more I think about it and the more I read, it seems like a lot of people don't like the dipoles. Would it be stupid to have 20's up front and 10's in the back for surround? (not right now obviously cause of cost, but eventually add the 10's) My parents have old Titans in front with Atoms in the rear. It seems to work out okay for surround, maybe a little light though.

Can I ask where you're getting the list prices at?
I'm wondering what the prices should be on the cc490, cc590, studio20, studio10, dsp31/3200.

Also, how do you recommend finding a sub? I have very few shops around me and the paradigm guy only had the PDR10 and a small UltraCube.
Velodyne is one name I've heard before. I think it was the Optimum series I had heard about? It just seems difficult to pick one out without being able to listen to them =\
Thanks again for your help!

ps - I'd never heard of Audiogon before...I'll have to look around this site. I'm assuming it's reputable?

Alright, I see a few questions in there. Let's see what I can do to answer them.

Having 20's in front and 10's as surrounds is not an odd thing to do at all. In fact, if I decide my Mini Monitors aren't cutting it as surrounds any more, I'd seriously consider a pair of 10's.

Those list prices were from the press release about the v6 Monitor series. http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/08/09/paradigm-bumps-up-monitor-speaker-line-to-v-6/

And here's the Studio v5 press release with prices: http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/10/paradigm-gives-its-reference-studio-speakers-a-bump-to-v-5/

As far as subs, I'd pick the rest of your speakers first, and we can see where to guide you from there, to get a sub that will match the mains in terms of quality and budget. For example, if you went with the Monitor series, I'd suggest a HSU STF-2 (or similar from another manufacturer), but if you went with the Studios, I'd suggest spending a bit more on a sub. Also, picking a sub would be influenced by what percent of its usage will be playing music, vs. movies, TV, and games. And if it'll play music often, what kind? And do you like loud boomy bass, or tight, clean bass? Answer some of those and we can help you more.

Audiogon is basically eBay (well, maybe closer to Craigslist) for hi-fi/home theater gear (Videogon is the sister site for video equipment).

Oh, and I agree about the Studio series' J-series stands being retardedly expensive...but they're also really nice, solid stands, and they complement the look of the Studio series really well. :)

Find used stands if you can...

If not, just get the stands for the 20s...they ARE NICE. They will no doubt last a lifetime. They also enable you to "fill" with sand or something in case you ever have little ones or pets running around.

The more I think about it and the more I read, it seems like a lot of people don't like the dipoles. Would it be stupid to have 20's up front and 10's in the back for surround? (not right now obviously cause of cost, but eventually add the 10's)

You might want to read up on the dipole/non-dipole topic in the audio theory forum... it really comes down to each individual's preference, as well as proximity of speakers to the listening position.

For instance (I am not a paradigm owner), I tried it both ways in a 7.1 setup:
- dipoles to the sides, and monopoles in the rear
- monopoles to the sides and dipoles in the rear

Dipoles to the sides, for me is much better. But others disagree. YMMV.

-T

Alright, I see a few questions in there. Let's see what I can do to answer them.

Having 20's in front and 10's as surrounds is not an odd thing to do at all. In fact, if I decide my Mini Monitors aren't cutting it as surrounds any more, I'd seriously consider a pair of 10's.

Those list prices were from the press release about the v6 Monitor series. http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/08/09/paradigm-bumps-up-monitor-speaker-line-to-v-6/

And here's the Studio v5 press release with prices: http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/10/paradigm-gives-its-reference-studio-speakers-a-bump-to-v-5/

As far as subs, I'd pick the rest of your speakers first, and we can see where to guide you from there, to get a sub that will match the mains in terms of quality and budget. For example, if you went with the Monitor series, I'd suggest a HSU STF-2 (or similar from another manufacturer), but if you went with the Studios, I'd suggest spending a bit more on a sub. Also, picking a sub would be influenced by what percent of its usage will be playing music, vs. movies, TV, and games. And if it'll play music often, what kind? And do you like loud boomy bass, or tight, clean bass? Answer some of those and we can help you more.

Audiogon is basically eBay (well, maybe closer to Craigslist) for hi-fi/home theater gear (Videogon is the sister site for video equipment).

Oh, and I agree about the Studio series' J-series stands being retardedly expensive...but they're also really nice, solid stands, and they complement the look of the Studio series really well. :)

Lets see watching wise is going to be mostly TV and Movies. I do have a PS3 and play games on it. I'm not as concerned with sound for games. While it is awesome to have it thumping in a game I'd much rather have great sound for movies if I had to pick between the two. I will play music every now and then. My taste varies pretty widely. Anywhere from bands like Rush to Tool to Coltrane to Buddy Rich. I much prefer tight clean bass. When I think boomy bass I think of those kids in their civics with their trunks rattling. :)

As for speakers I'm thinking I will go with the Studio set up. Having heard the 20's and wanting to go with those up front I can't imagine being disappointed with the others. I will probably do it piecemeal for budget purposes though unless I can find a used center for a good price. Or maybe I should spend the money on a new center and find used 20s since the center is used more in movies?

Any thoughts on where to find the J-29s used? (didn't see any on audiogon) I found a site selling them for $400...crazy!

:o

Any thoughts on where to find the J-29s used? (didn't see any on audiogon) I found a site selling them for $400...crazy!


Have patients, they do show up there all the time...

Have patients, they do show up there all the time...

Where are the patients showing up? Just teasin Warp. :o

Where are the patients showing up? Just teasin Warp. :o


HAHAHHAH..... Doh.... guess I was supposed to use patience :o

Lets see watching wise is going to be mostly TV and Movies. I do have a PS3 and play games on it. I'm not as concerned with sound for games. While it is awesome to have it thumping in a game I'd much rather have great sound for movies if I had to pick between the two. I will play music every now and then. My taste varies pretty widely. Anywhere from bands like Rush to Tool to Coltrane to Buddy Rich. I much prefer tight clean bass. When I think boomy bass I think of those kids in their civics with their trunks rattling. :)

As for speakers I'm thinking I will go with the Studio set up. Having heard the 20's and wanting to go with those up front I can't imagine being disappointed with the others. I will probably do it piecemeal for budget purposes though unless I can find a used center for a good price. Or maybe I should spend the money on a new center and find used 20s since the center is used more in movies?

Any thoughts on where to find the J-29s used? (didn't see any on audiogon) I found a site selling them for $400...crazy!

Good, sounds like we're really making some progress. :) I think the next decision is whether you want to buy used (v4's), new (v5's), or new (v4's) if you can find a dealer with some left. A bit more on this later.

Since you like tight, clean bass, I'd recommend you look into HSU subs. They have a great reputation for giving clean, "musical" bass, while still being perfectly capable during movies. Also, it seems like you get way better bang for your buck, as compared to, let's say, Paradigm or JL, since HSU is an online dealer, you cut out the middle man. (I'm sure others will have different suggestions here too, but there's my 2 cents.) If you were to go with them, I'd try saving up for something you won't want to upgrade for a while, especially since you are willing to buy the system piece by piece anyway. As I said, I have their STF-2, and while it's a great entry-level "hi-fi" sub at around $400, it's currently the weakest link in my system, and I want to upgrade to their ULS-15 in the next year or so. A few more questions that will help you pick a sub: what sized room will this be going into? Is this in an apartment? Is the room open to other rooms (like, is there a big entryway that open to a kitchen or something) ?

If it were me, I'd try matching the fronts and centers, especially since the v5 Studio series has curved cabinets. I think a curved center would look out of place with boxy front L/R speakers, but maybe that's just me.

I think buying the Studios piecemeal is a great idea. Start with the 20's and maybe a sub, then add the center, the the surrounds (or vice versa). Then you can appreciate what each speaker adds, too.

As far as buying used vs. new, that's your call, and is basically a question of whether you want to pay a premium for the v5's curved cabinets, since soundwise the v4 and v5's are supposedly really similar. Also, like I mentioned before, I'd see if any Paradigm dealers in your area have any new v4's left they're trying to get rid of still, as those should carry a good discount with them, not to mention the v4's were a few hundred bucks cheaper to begin with.

Honestly, if you want to save a good chunk of change and don't mind the looks of the v4's, I'd strongly consider going for them. I bet you'd save $500-600 just from the front three speakers being used v4's as opposed to new v5's. And for the rears, if you still want ADP's, the v4 and v5 are identical I believe. Keep in mind you'll most likely be paying a premiu for the ADP's, so make sure you like how they sound first. The only thing, is it'd be harder to piece together a system from used v4's and get the same finish on all of them, unless you found someone selling their matching v4 setup.

And yeah, $400 is the MSRP for a pair of the J-29 stands. But man they're nice...:) Finding them used, I'd just keep an eye out between Audiogon, the "for sale" forums here, and eBay. I was looking for them for a few weeks, and finally gave in and bought them new with my 20's.

You can get the stands for about $325 new.

Also check out SVS subs.

You could live with a phantom center for the time being easily.

I recommend going with 4xStudio20s. I think they are better and cheaper than ADPs as rears if you are going 5.1. The only time I would get the ADPs is if you are using them as sides for 7.1, or if your seating is right against the back wall.

GL

Good, sounds like we're really making some progress. :) I think the next decision is whether you want to buy used (v4's), new (v5's), or new (v4's) if you can find a dealer with some left. A bit more on this later.

Since you like tight, clean bass, I'd recommend you look into HSU subs. They have a great reputation for giving clean, "musical" bass, while still being perfectly capable during movies. Also, it seems like you get way better bang for your buck, as compared to, let's say, Paradigm or JL, since HSU is an online dealer, you cut out the middle man. (I'm sure others will have different suggestions here too, but there's my 2 cents.) If you were to go with them, I'd try saving up for something you won't want to upgrade for a while, especially since you are willing to buy the system piece by piece anyway. As I said, I have their STF-2, and while it's a great entry-level "hi-fi" sub at around $400, it's currently the weakest link in my system, and I want to upgrade to their ULS-15 in the next year or so. A few more questions that will help you pick a sub: what sized room will this be going into? Is this in an apartment? Is the room open to other rooms (like, is there a big entryway that open to a kitchen or something) ?

If it were me, I'd try matching the fronts and centers, especially since the v5 Studio series has curved cabinets. I think a curved center would look out of place with boxy front L/R speakers, but maybe that's just me.

I think buying the Studios piecemeal is a great idea. Start with the 20's and maybe a sub, then add the center, the the surrounds (or vice versa). Then you can appreciate what each speaker adds, too.

As far as buying used vs. new, that's your call, and is basically a question of whether you want to pay a premium for the v5's curved cabinets, since soundwise the v4 and v5's are supposedly really similar. Also, like I mentioned before, I'd see if any Paradigm dealers in your area have any new v4's left they're trying to get rid of still, as those should carry a good discount with them, not to mention the v4's were a few hundred bucks cheaper to begin with.

Honestly, if you want to save a good chunk of change and don't mind the looks of the v4's, I'd strongly consider going for them. I bet you'd save $500-600 just from the front three speakers being used v4's as opposed to new v5's. And for the rears, if you still want ADP's, the v4 and v5 are identical I believe. Keep in mind you'll most likely be paying a premiu for the ADP's, so make sure you like how they sound first. The only thing, is it'd be harder to piece together a system from used v4's and get the same finish on all of them, unless you found someone selling their matching v4 setup.

And yeah, $400 is the MSRP for a pair of the J-29 stands. But man they're nice...:) Finding them used, I'd just keep an eye out between Audiogon, the "for sale" forums here, and eBay. I was looking for them for a few weeks, and finally gave in and bought them new with my 20's.

Well, I am still awaiting my Studio 100 v.5's, but I did get my CC-690 v.5 and my Esprits (which are v.4...no v.5 released yet).

Here are some pics of the CC-690:

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Hello All,
I just purchased a set of Studio 20s. I know this ? has prob. been asked several times, (and yes I did a search) but what is the propper break-in period for the speakers, and what level should you break them in? I have a Onkyo 705, these speakers are my fronts,( I live in a 1 bedroom in NYC), Polk middle Definitive 800s rear surround and HSU sub.

Break in is the time it takes for the coils in the cold driver to get warm which is literally a minute or couple of minutes.... but even that I Highly doubt...

Don't buy into all that break in business.... the tolerances that products are made under these days is extremely tight, so there isn't going to be alot of run in or stretching or molecules settling in kinda hooey like that...

Sit back and enjoy !!!!

Thanks, I will do that!

I bought a pair of 20 v5's (and a CC-590) and haven't had any QC issues come up with any of them, speakers work flawlessly so far, and sound amazing to boot. I haven't compared them to the v4's though, so I can't comment on that.

There seems to be a battle between people who think Break-in periods for these spekers is (A bunch of Hooey)! Did you notice any difference with your speakers after many hours of usage. The Dealer equated the break-in period to a flower blooming??

I always asked the question about people that believe speaker break-in takes hours is
to what stops this process never got an answer so I will go with your ears be come accustom to the sound and will agree with Warpdrv room temp within minutes or under
an hour.

There seems to be a battle between people who think Break-in periods for these spekers is (A bunch of Hooey)! Did you notice any difference with your speakers after many hours of usage. The Dealer equated the break-in period to a flower blooming??

HeffeMusic - Enjoy your new toys for many years to come. You got yourself some great speakers. But - your dealer is giving you a load of crap with his "flower blooming" analogy. I've been involved in this insane hobby since the mid 70's and I've always had a good laugh when people write how their speakers "really opened up" after playing them for 200 hours or 300 hours, etc. What dealer did you get them at by the way?

HeffeMusic - Enjoy your new toys for many years to come. You got yourself some great speakers. But - your dealer is giving you a load of crap with his "flower blooming" analogy. I've been involved in this insane hobby since the mid 70's and I've always had a good laugh when people write how their speakers "really opened up" after playing them for 200 hours or 300 hours, etc. What dealer did you get them at by the way?
I have to speak in defense of the speaker break-in period theory. When I first set up my brand new speakers, I had to go on a business trip for a week after only 2 days of using them. They sounded rather bright and harsh at that time. My family had been using them on a daily basis while I was away. When I returned, I was pleasantly surprised to find that they sounded very smooth and balanced. Perhaps the break-in period isn't so bogus after all.

I have to speak in defense of the speaker break-in period theory. When I first set up my brand new speakers, I had to go on a business trip for a week after only 2 days of using them. They sounded rather bright and harsh at that time. My family had been using them on a daily basis while I was away. When I returned, I was pleasantly surprised to find that they sounded very smooth and balanced. Perhaps the break-in period isn't so bogus after all.

Here's another vote in defense of break-in. Affordable Audio even had an article (in their Dec. 2006 issue IIRC) with a detailed analysis and measurement process which seems to conclusively prove that break-in is a real factor (they said it's caused by micro-cracks forming in the spider as it flexes). They have numbers to back this up, what more do you guys want?

Anyway, I didn't notice a huge difference on my 20's for break-in, but I was moving them around for a while too, so I may have chalked up any changes to that. My Mini Monitors, on the other hand, seemed to be affected by break-in much more so.

Back to the question: Paradigm's suggested break-in time is 50-60 hours at moderate volume. Whether you want to believe in break-in or not is up to you.

I've had my speakers for roughly 1½ months and I was, to be honest, quite disappointed with the sound when I first listened to them. But, I have really begun to enjoy the sound over the past couple of weeks. I would like to say that they have gotten past the break-in period and finally "settled in". However, I think it's more a matter of tinkering with placement and just plain-old getting used to the sound.

There again what is there to stop this break in process to keep going till the speaker is wore out because if break in alters the sound then constant playing will constantly alter
the sound so more than not I think people adjust to the sound and it helps dealers because by the time you log your 200 to 300hrs you are past your return period they
are now yours until you sell or give them away.

Hey guys, I posted this in the owners thread but thought it might be more appropriate here since this is specific to the studio v5's.
Mod if this isn't okay please delete, thanks!

Can someone tell me if the following are good prices for new v5s? It seems smoking to me but I thought I'd ask the experts
Also with this setup should I go with the UltraCube given its price or find something else at a similar price?
edit ...US dollars..
CC-590 - $675
ADP-390 - $400/pair
Studio 20 - $340/each
Cube 10 - $500

thanks for your help!

I am no expert, but do you really need to ask if paying 56% of suggested retail is a good price or not? At least that's what the CC590 and Studio 20 prices reflect. You can go to page 4 in this thread to look at retail prices. By the way, I don't think we are supposed to be talking prices. :)

I am no expert, but do you really need to ask if paying 56% of suggested retail is a good price or not? At least that's what the CC590 and Studio 20 prices reflect. You can go to page 4 in this thread to look at retail prices. By the way, I don't think we are supposed to be talking prices. :)


Hahhaha I already chewed his a$$ in another thread.... I think he got the point :)

I've had my speakers for roughly 1½ months and I was, to be honest, quite disappointed with the sound when I first listened to them. But, I have really begun to enjoy the sound over the past couple of weeks. I would like to say that they have gotten past the break-in period and finally "settled in". However, I think it's more a matter of tinkering with placement and just plain-old getting used to the sound.

Well After 4 days of listening to my Studio 20s, I have to say I think they are sounding better with each listen. I just listened to The Super Audio of the Allman Brothers Eat a peach and the imaging/sound stage were amazing.

Well After 4 days of listening to my Studio 20s, I have to say I think they are sounding better with each listen. I just listened to The Super Audio of the Allman Brothers Eat a peach and the imaging/sound stage were amazing.

Wow I am loving these speakers:D

Wow I am loving these speakers:D

Same thing I can say about my Studio 10's (which replaced a Studio 20 v3).

:) :) :)

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Corpfan1 I talk to your dealer connection in Toronto but his price was the same as in Thunder Bay by the time I paid for the shipping.

Just curious to know if I should use the ADP-590's for surrounds or the Studio 20's instead with the 100's as fronts and the 690 CC.

Just curious to know if I should use the ADP-590's for surrounds or the Studio 20's instead with the 100's as fronts and the 690 CC.

I've been debating that back and forth and I think I'm going to go w/ the ADP's. Still not sure if I'll get them, might not be able to get them in an ideal location because of some columns, therefor may have to go w/ the 20's anyway, but that's the plan for now. They'll be paired up w/ the same speakers as you, a Yamaha 663, and the XPA5. Hopefully it'll all sound good. I'm using satellite speakers for now :( Can't wait for the change.

I am using the 20s.

The ADPs are more $ aren't they? I think the 20 is the better speaker overall. But, I have heard some people like or don't like the ADP style speakers.

I have also read, if you are going 5.1...use ADP is your couch/seating is against the rear wall...if not, use the 20s.

GL

Corpfan1 I talk to your dealer connection in Toronto but his price was the same as in Thunder Bay by the time I paid for the shipping.

Just curious to know if I should use the ADP-590's for surrounds or the Studio 20's instead with the 100's as fronts and the 690 CC.

Based on previous releases, does anyone have any ideas when more reviews 'should' be coming in? I read the reviews for the 60's, but I was hoping one of the major audio/video magazines would review the 100's.

They are the same, just better having a 3 way design with the dedicated mid range driver...

Well I sold my Studio 100 v3's last night, so it's off to our local dealer today to audition the new v5's.

Jason

Have fun on your audition Jason...

If they have the Sigs, see if you can audition side by side... I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.. I have to visit 2 different dealers for that... :(

Have fun on your audition Jason...

If they have the Sigs, see if you can audition side by side... I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.. I have to visit 2 different dealers for that... :(

Thanks! Unfortunately, my dealer no longer carries the Signature line on the floor...they've closed two of their locations and are "restructuring" their business and focusing on custom install. However, I was able to listen to the 100's and they were magnificent. I only had about 1/2 hour (took my 7-wk-old daughter...gotta get 'em started young!) to listen to them, but was able to pop in a few of my demo tracks and was very impressed with what I heard. Additionally, the cabinets are beautiful. They only had the black (Studio 100's and Studio 20's), but the new design is very impressive (you know how I like curved cabinets :D). Anyways, I will be visiting another dealer this week (by myself) and will likely order the 100s. I do not know if they carry the Sigs, but if they do I'll be sure to give them a comparo.

Jason

Just picked up a pair of Studio 100 v.5 in black for the father in law, and Studio 60 v.5 for fronts in rosewood and ADP 470 (demo closeout) for rears in my 5.1 system. I'm still working out the CC-490/590/690 decision.

Just wanted to say thanks to all who put up with the countless questions I've asked on this forum before pulling the trigger.

Just picked up a pair of Studio 100 v.5 in black for the father in law, and Studio 60 v.5 for fronts in rosewood and ADP 470 (demo closeout) for rears in my 5.1 system. I'm still working out the CC-490/590/690 decision.

Just wanted to say thanks to all who put up with the countless questions I've asked on this forum before pulling the trigger.
its going to be between the 590 vs. 690. the 490 is not a match for the 100's or the 60's.

just picked up a pair of studio 100 v.5 in black for the father in law, and studio 60 v.5 for fronts in rosewood and adp 470 (demo closeout) for rears in my 5.1 system. I'm still working out the cc-490/590/690 decision.

Just wanted to say thanks to all who put up with the countless questions i've asked on this forum before pulling the trigger.

Pics!!!! :D:D

I'm finally ready to pull the trigger on a pair of 100's, a 690, and four 20's. I live in the Philadelphia area. Does anyone have any dealer recomendations that they could pass on to me? (It can be online or brick and morter) Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

Thanks in advance!

Regards,

CM

I'm finally ready to pull the trigger on a pair of 100's, a 690, and four 20's. I live in the Philadelphia area. Does anyone have any dealer recomendations that they could pass on to me? (It can be online or brick and morter) Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

Thanks in advance!

Regards,

CM

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Nice setup.

What are you using for power?

I'm finally ready to pull the trigger on a pair of 100's, a 690, and four 20's. I live in the Philadelphia area. Does anyone have any dealer recomendations that they could pass on to me? (It can be online or brick and morter) Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

Thanks in advance!

Regards,

CM

Pics!!!! :D:D

Coming soon. Just got a call from the dealer today that the 60s in rosewood (or is it rosenut?) are back ordered, per Paradigm, and won't ship until May 1.

The 100s are currently on loan until my father in law picks them up. In my family room, they're huge! But they sound soooo sweet.

;)

Nice setup.

What are you using for power?

Sherbourn has a new amp that will replace the 7/2200. I think the number is 7/220. Basically the same amp except instead of 200 watts per channel for 7 channels, it's 220 watts per channel. Should be getting it some time this week.

Coming soon. Just got a call from the dealer today that the 60s in rosewood (or is it rosenut?) are back ordered, per Paradigm, and won't ship until May 1.

The 100s are currently on loan until my father in law picks them up. In my family room, they're huge! But they sound soooo sweet.

;)

So your telling me that the latest given date of arrival for my 60's - today April 28th is not going to happen. So far past delivery dates have been March 31, April 9, April 16.

So your telling me that the latest given date of arrival for my 60's - today April 28th is not going to happen. So far past delivery dates have been March 31, April 9, April 16.

I ordered my rosenut 100 v.5s on 3/26/09 and the current projected ship date is 5/1/09 (although it's changed 3 times now). Good luck!!!

I ordered my 100s this afternoon, but my dealer needs to contact Paradigm to find out what the lead time is. I hope to hear back from him this afternoon with good news...

Jason

I ordered my rosenut 100 v.5s on 3/26/09 and the current projected ship date is 5/1/09 (although it's changed 3 times now). Good luck!!!

I ordered my rosenut 100's, CC-690 and black ADP-590's on 4/4/09 and was also told the the 100's were back ordered until 5/1/09.

Can anyone tell me how far apart the mounting holes are in the bottom of the Studio 10s and what type of threads there are?

Thanks,

Jason

I ordered my rosenut 100's, CC-690 and black ADP-590's on 4/4/09 and was also told the the 100's were back ordered until 5/1/09.

I didn't have to wait for my CC-690 or the Esprits. Waiting on the fronts though has been difficult.

The 100's came in about 5 days after I ordered them, but they were in the black finish.

I'm looking for 100's, 690, 4X20's, and 4XJ29's. I live in PA in the Philadelphia area. Anyone know any dealers they can recommend in the tri state area? (Ideally I would like to make a road trip to Delaware to get the tax free shopping)

I posted a similiar question earlier and I got one response (it was a good one though), so I just thought I'd try again.

Thanks again!

If anyone is interested, I'm in the process of building matching stands for the new Studio bookshelves and CC speakers. I'm currently building a set to match the Rosenut Studio 10's, but the design could obviously be tailored for the larger cabinets. I'm waiting final approval on the color match and will get some pics up as soon as I have them together. I'm also going to build one for my incoming CC-690 which is also Rosenut.

Jason

I live in PA in the Philadelphia area. Anyone know any dealers they can recommend in the tri state area?

http://www.paradigm.com/en/dealer_locator/paradigm.php

FYI, the gent that I'm building the Studio 10 stands for is in Philly and recently picked up his 10s and a 490 or 590.

Jason

Link is broken Jason, you can't use paradigms info like that, it doesn't work...

Strange...works fine for me. Either way, just go to Paradigm's site and click on Dealer Locator...

Jason

I'm looking for 100's, 690, 4X20's, and 4XJ29's. I live in PA in the Philadelphia area. Anyone know any dealers they can recommend in the tri state area? (Ideally I would like to make a road trip to Delaware to get the tax free shopping)

I posted a similiar question earlier and I got one response (it was a good one though), so I just thought I'd try again.

Thanks again!

Long Island, NY 6th Avenue Electronics. I was there a week ago and got a chance to listent to the Monitor 9 v.6 They sounded great. They also have a website.

Hello All,
I have a question about what center channel I should buy. I just got the Studio 20's for my fronts. I am currently using difinitive 800's for surrounds. these work real well with the studio 20's. I also have a HSU stf-1. The weak link of my system is currently my center channel. It is an old Polk I purchased about 11 years ago. Can you all give me advice on different CC's that would work with this system? Obviously I am looking @ the Paradigm CC-490, but it is a little costly. My listening area is about 15/12.

Obviously you'll want to go with one of the new Studio CCs, likely the CC-490 as that's what Paradigm suggests with the 20s. That will give you the most seamless front end, both sonically and aesthetically. It might be a bit more than you want to spend, but that's what you get for going with the Studio line. :)

Jason

Obviously you'll want to go with one of the new Studio CCs, likely the CC-490 as that's what Paradigm suggests with the 20s. That will give you the most seamless front end, both sonically and aesthetically. It might be a bit more than you want to spend, but that's what you get for going with the Studio line. :)

Jason

Actually, their recommended Studio 20 system uses the CC-590. I have the 20's and 590 though, and I wish I would've looked into the 490. The 590 is just so much bigger than the 20's, it almost looks funny. Seriously, it's gotta be nearly the size of both 20's put together.

Back on topic: I agree about looking into getting the 490. It's only $300 more than the CC-290, and after dealer discounts, that difference will be a little less, more like $250.

Actually, their recommended Studio 20 system uses the CC-590. I have the 20's and 590 though, and I wish I would've looked into the 490. The 590 is just so much bigger than the 20's, it almost looks funny. Seriously, it's gotta be nearly the size of both 20's put together.

Back on topic: I agree about looking into getting the 490. It's only $300 more than the CC-290, and after dealer discounts, that difference will be a little less, more like $250.

Thanks guy's, I will talk to my dealer and see how much he will chg me.

Actually, their recommended Studio 20 system uses the CC-590.
It's odd...their hard-copy catalog recommends the 490 with the 20s while their website recommends the 590... I guess the 490 is strictly recommended for the 10s, which seems strange.

Jason

Actually, their recommended Studio 20 system uses the CC-590. I have the 20's and 590 though, and I wish I would've looked into the 490. The 590 is just so much bigger than the 20's, it almost looks funny. Seriously, it's gotta be nearly the size of both 20's put together.

Back on topic: I agree about looking into getting the 490. It's only $300 more than the CC-290, and after dealer discounts, that difference will be a little less, more like $250.

I just picked up a v4 CC590 last night to go with my v4 Studio 40s and the CC is a good match size wise with the 40s. I agree it would quite large with a set of 20s.

It's odd...their hard-copy catalog recommends the 490 with the 20s while their website recommends the 590... I guess the 490 is strictly recommended for the 10s, which seems strange.

Jason

Yeah, my dealer mentioned that the 490 was intended to go w/ the 10's, since they're both new models. He said something along the lines of "the 490 was designed to complement the 10's"...a.k.a. they use the same size drivers, lol.

Hi I just saw this review of the Studio 10s. I have a pair for my rear channels and really like them.

http://www.goodsound.com/equipment/paradigm_studio10_v5.htm

I am trying to decide between studio 60's and 100's. I have heard the 100's and they are fantastic. However, I do think I heard a kinda muddiness or overly bass in the vocals. Has anyone noticed this and does it exist in the 60's?

I didn't experience that when I auditioned the 100s, though my visit was limited timewise. I'll be going back on Tuesday to pick up a loaner 690 and I'll be spending more time with the 100s (even though I already ordered them).

Jason

Well I'm also waiting for Studio 100's and a CC-690 in Black. I just sold my Monitor11's and CC-390 for exactly what I paid for them in January so I'm pretty happy I could put that all back into these. I'm still using ADP-390's as surrounds and will maybe upgrade those later but I think it should be fine if I kept them.

Order was placed on Tuesday but a Paradigm order rep told me the CC-690 in Black is still out of stock and should be ready soon(no date yet). The Studio 100's in Black are also out but she said they should be ready to ship by mid next week. They had Rosenut and Cherry available for shipment this week. Hope it doesn't get pushed back again since she said it's been pretty crazy the past 2 months.

I'll probably be getting my set in Rosenut. I like the finish the best. Cherry is a little too light colored for me. Though, it still "looks like" wood. And I think I will go for a 100 and cc690 (Studio 10 for surrounds) setup. Was thinking Studio 60 and cc590 (plus the 10's) but I'd rather have the dynamic range. Plus, I spoke to my neighbors, and they seem to be more than ok with me cranking up my system (live in a new town home).

All I need now is to have my hardwood floors put in first. Will be getting estimates next week.

You REALLY can hear the difference between the Studio 100s and the 60s.

Hi I just saw this review of the Studio 10s. I have a pair for my rear channels and really like them.

http://www.goodsound.com/equipment/paradigm_studio10_v5.htm

Interesting to see the measurements and read his review which pretty much echoes my opinion of these speakers. The measurements are pretty neutral overall and pretty much what I expected before I saw those measurements, not bad for a $800 compact bookshelf.

http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/measurements/speakers/paradigm_studio10_v5/frequency_listeningwindow.gif

I think the reviewer's comments about the highs are right on the money, personally I think it could be a bit more refined.

Thanks for posting the link to the review of the 10's. But I'd be a lot more interested to read a few reviews of a complete HT system. Especially one comprising of the 100's or 60's for mains, CC690 or CC590, and maybe the 10's for the surrounds. If I had the right room wall layout I would be opting for a pair of ADP's.

Have to say I was very impressed with the v.5 HT setup I did hear. They had both the 100's and 60's for demo (so you could switch), CC590 and I think a pair of 20's. And I think the Studio 12 sub. Forget the name. Powered by Pioneer's flagship receiver. Playing the Iron Man BD.

Clearly sounded better (to me) than previous versions of the Ref Studio line. And they look great to boot. :)

Thanks for posting the link to the review of the 10's. But I'd be a lot more interested to read a few reviews of a complete HT system. Especially one comprising of the 100's or 60's for mains, CC690 or CC590, and maybe the 10's for the surrounds. If I had the right room wall layout I would be opting for a pair of ADP's.

Have to say I was very impressed with the v.5 HT setup I did hear. They had both the 100's and 60's for demo (so you could switch), CC590 and I think a pair of 20's. And I think the Studio 12 sub. Forget the name. Powered by Pioneer's flagship receiver. Playing the Iron Man BD.

Clearly sounded better (to me) than previous versions of the Ref Studio line. And they look great to boot. :)

I've got 100's for LCR, ADP590s for surrounds and 10's for rears and it sounds fantastic. :)

Awesome setup, Shawn! What AVR or pre/pro are you using now that you've parted with your 3808? I'd love to see pics! My order should be in late next week or early the following week. My dealer is hooking me up with a free 690 (v4) loaner to use while I muster up some scratch for a v5. Waiting for a check from the guy that just bought my CC-570 v3 and a brief recovery from the new 100s, though the discount lessened the sting a bit. :)

Jason

Awesome setup, Shawn! What AVR or pre/pro are you using now that you've parted with your 3808? I'd love to see pics! My order should be in late next week or early the following week. My dealer is hooking me up with a free 690 (v4) loaner to use while I muster up some scratch for a v5. Waiting for a check from the guy that just bought my CC-570 v3 and a brief recovery from the new 100s, though the discount lessened the sting a bit. :)

Jason
go to his build thread its the most exciting thread on AVS!

Awesome setup, Shawn! What AVR or pre/pro are you using now that you've parted with your 3808? I'd love to see pics! My order should be in late next week or early the following week. My dealer is hooking me up with a free 690 (v4) loaner to use while I muster up some scratch for a v5. Waiting for a check from the guy that just bought my CC-570 v3 and a brief recovery from the new 100s, though the discount lessened the sting a bit. :)

Jason

Thanks :) The 100's are awesome!

I have an Anthem AVM50v pre pro, I love it.

Here's some pics of the lcr behind the screen. The angle of the picture is bad because it looks like they are too low, but the tweeter height is really about 42" high:

http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/final36.jpg

And the adp590's and studio 10's:

http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/done/2.jpg
http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/done/3.jpg

I've had tons of paradigm stuff from atoms to monitors to studio 40's to studio 100's and I can say now that I'm completely happy with the setup and sound.:)

go to his build thread its the most exciting thread on avs!

Thanks lol :D

http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/done/3.jpg

I've had tons of paradigm stuff from atoms to monitors to studio 40's to studio 100's and I can say now that I'm completely happy with the setup and sound.:)

This picture makes it look like the middle chair is a bit off center. Maybe it's just he angle of the picture, but I always make sure my seat is in the perfect sweet spot. Never mind my wife's listening position... she doesn't care anyway. :)

This picture makes it look like the middle chair is a bit off center. Maybe it's just he angle of the picture, but I always make sure my seat is in the perfect sweet spot. Never mind my wife's listening position... she doesn't care anyway. :)

Heh good point! Thanks :)

That was one of those quick, lets put the chairs back in place and take some pics for the build thread type of shots :p It's also an older shot as I have since replaced that projector. I guess I'm do for some updated shots, with the seats perfectly centered of course :D

I am like you, I tweak my seat until it's perfectly in the middle since that's the money seat!

Heh good point! Thanks :)

That was one of those quick, lets put the chairs back in place and take some pics for the build thread type of shots :p It's also an older shot as I have since replaced that projector. I guess I'm do for some updated shots, with the seats perfectly centered of course :D

I am like you, I tweak my seat until it's perfectly in the middle since that's the money seat!

Of course most sane human beings would say "close enough", but that's not how we think.

Ha..... someone is always b!tchin.... :)

I would imagine that if he saw your Lambo - he'd truly understand how anal you really are buddy.... great shots, and so glad everything has come together so nicely for you my friend....

I am seriously dying that my D2v still hasn't shown up just yet.... grrrr...

Ha..... someone is always b!tchin.... :)

I would imagine that if he saw your Lambo - he'd truly understand how anal you really are buddy.... great shots, and so glad everything has come together so nicely for you my friend....

I am seriously dying that my D2v still hasn't shown up just yet.... grrrr...

Thanks Warp! Your d2v still isnt here?!:eek:

Thanks Warp! Your d2v still isnt here?!:eek:

No spit !!! I'm freakin dyin here grrr :(
And to think - I have 2 systems so I'll likely be getting a second one.....
But I'm holdin out on upgrading to see if paradigm upgrades the sigs this year to replace my .v4 studios in my main system before I throw down on a second D2v for my bedroom setup :)

I'm looking for 100's, 690, 4X20's, and 4XJ29's. I live in PA in the Philadelphia area. Anyone know any dealers they can recommend in the tri state area? (Ideally I would like to make a road trip to Delaware to get the tax free shopping)

I posted a similiar question earlier and I got one response (it was a good one though), so I just thought I'd try again.

Thanks again!



J&V AUDIO INC. (Formerly Sound City NY)
55 W 45TH ST., 4TH FLOOR
NEW YORK, NY
10036
917-449-8845

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I ordered all my Studio 100's, 690, and ADP590's on Friday!! Should be here hopefully the end of the week. Hopefully what I paid was a good price too, lol. I'm not sure if the ADP's will work in my room but I'll try them out. If not guess I'll try hanging the 20's on the wall.

You could always either try the Esprits or one of the Reference inwalls. Wall-mounting a Studio 20 doesn't sound ideal.

Jason

Yeah I could try the Espirits also. If I remember correctly, I had looked up the inwalls before and the Paradigms and made for a pre-sheetrock installation

AFAIK, both the SA and ADP inwalls can be retrofitted into existing construction.

Jason

I ordered all my Studio 100's, 690, and ADP590's on Friday!! Should be here hopefully the end of the week. Hopefully what I paid was a good price too, lol. I'm not sure if the ADP's will work in my room but I'll try them out. If not guess I'll try hanging the 20's on the wall.
whats your room size?

whats your room size?

15x17. Reason I don't think ADP's will work is because where the seating is going to be there is a column w/ a light sconce on it so the speaker can't be mounted there. The speaker will have to be mounted in front of the column and the center of the ADP speaker will be alot further up than the center of something smaller which would move my seating up alot more...if any of that makes sense.

Basically I'd need something I can put up right next to the column. I'm going to bring the ADP's home though and see if I can work them in, may not be as bad as I have it pictured in my head.

OK,
I know this question has been beaten to death! But,I am thinking about getting the Studio cc-490. I currently have a Poke CC (About the same size as the cc-490) about 12 years old. This CC will go with my Studio 20 v.5 fronts, and Definitive 800's for surrounds. How important is the cc in the overall sound experience?. I listen to alot of SACDs, DVD Audio's, watch DVD concerts with DTS, and Dolby, and Movies. Will this new cc-490, make my system sound much better, or will it be similar to what I am experiencing now?

The new CC will make a huge difference, particularly if you watch a lot of movies and listen to a lot of multichannel music. Having a seamless front end (LCR) is a no-brainer, so anything in the new v5 line will work well, including a single Studio 20 if you can find one. Otherwise, go for the 490. You'll be glad you did.

Jason

OK,
I know this question has been beaten to death! But,I am thinking about getting the Studio cc-490. I currently have a Poke CC (About the same size as the cc-490) about 12 years old. This CC will go with my Studio 20 v.5 fronts, and Definitive 800's for surrounds. How important is the cc in the overall sound experience?. I listen to alot of SACDs, DVD Audio's, watch DVD concerts with DTS, and Dolby, and Movies. Will this new cc-490, make my system sound much better, or will it be similar to what I am experiencing now?the center is the most important channel the CC590 is a match for the 20's

http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/rec_systems/Studio20System_US.gif

The new CC will make a huge difference, particularly if you watch a lot of movies and listen to a lot of multichannel music. Having a seamless front end (LCR) is a no-brainer, so anything in the new v5 line will work well, including a single Studio 20 if you can find one. Otherwise, go for the 490. You'll be glad you did.

Jason

Thanks.

OK,
I know this question has been beaten to death! But,I am thinking about getting the Studio cc-490. I currently have a Poke CC (About the same size as the cc-490) about 12 years old. This CC will go with my Studio 20 v.5 fronts, and Definitive 800's for surrounds. How important is the cc in the overall sound experience?. I listen to alot of SACDs, DVD Audio's, watch DVD concerts with DTS, and Dolby, and Movies. Will this new cc-490, make my system sound much better, or will it be similar to what I am experiencing now?

You should go with the CC590 instead, it's 7" Bass Driver is a better match for the Studio 20 7" Midbass driver versus the 5 1/4" Bass drivers in the CC490.

You should go with the CC590 instead, it's 7" Bass Driver is a better match for the Studio 20 7" Midbass driver versus the 5 1/4" Bass drivers in the CC490.

The reason I am going with the 490, is because of its size. The 590 is the size of a Buick! :eek: I ive in a 1 bedroom in NYC. Thanks for all your help.

The reason I am going with the 490, is because of its size. The 590 is the size of a Buick! :eek: I ive in a 1 bedroom in NYC. Thanks for all your help.
then you could have used the 10's.

The reason I am going with the 490, is because of its size. The 590 is the size of a Buick! :eek: I ive in a 1 bedroom in NYC. Thanks for all your help.

Go for an extra Studio 20 over the 490. I just think the 490 is too small and you may regret your purchase decision later. Like osofast stated, the CC is the most important channel.

I purchased a CC590 to complement my Studio 100's, which Paradigm's site shows as a match. However, I was disappointed with the performance and ended up selling the CC590 a month later. I ended up with a CC690 and couldn't be happier. It was a somewhat costly mistake.

then you could have used the 10's.

Well If you go to Paradigms website under matching fronts it has the 20s listed. My listening area is about 15/13. The 490 has to be 100 X better than this old Polk I have with 2, 5 inch drivers. I have to admit the Set up as it sounds pretty damn good! I have the fever now after I bought the 20s, so I figure this cant be any worse:)

My set-up is in a 12'x11' listening area...in it are Studio 100's, Studio 20's, CC690, ADP590, SVS PB13-Ultra....to me, no area is too small to accomodate some nice speakers.

The 490 will definitely be a huge improvement over the Polks. Sounds like you're set on the 490 so go for it, you'll love it.

My set-up is in a 12'x11' listening area...in it are Studio 100's, Studio 20's, CC690, ADP590, SVS PB13-Ultra....to me, no area is too small to accomodate some nice speakers.

The 490 will definitely be a huge improvement over the Polks. Sounds like you're set on the 490 so go for it, you'll love it.

Thanks. I already ordered it.:) Thanks for the help.

Thanks. I already ordered it.:) Thanks for the help.

Good for you! Sure you'll love it.

Jason

Good for you! Sure you'll love it.

Jason

I will let you all know when I get it:)

Since everybody's talking about their setups, I guess I wanted to jump in. I just ordered my paradigm setup this saturday (100's for the front, 4X20's for the 7.2 surround, 690 center, 4XJ29 stands). I'm expecting them to arrive in 2-3 weeks.

The rest of my setup is (or will be for the tv) as follows:

- Two PB13 Ultra's
- Sherbourn 7/2100 amp
- Onkyo PRO pr-sc886 pre-amp
- Panasonic TC-P65V10 plasma (Unfortunately it won't be released till august - geerrrggghhhh!!!)
- Salamanderdesigns AV stand
- And of course some other little gadgets - PS3, 1TB Tivo, cables, fancy remote, etc...

No real point to my post, I guess I'm just excited and wanted to share with the group. (The wife doesn't appreciate the details of the setup as much as I do:))

FYI - for those wanting matching fronts, Paradigm charges only $10 more to get a single speaker if they are normally boxed as pairs (Studio 10's, Mini Monitor's, etc.), and nothing extra if they are boxed individually (Studio 20's), just in case your dealer gives you a hard time if you want matching fronts.

Since everybody's talking about their setups, I guess I wanted to jump in. I just ordered my paradigm setup this saturday (100's for the front, 4X20's for the 7.2 surround, 690 center, 4XJ29 stands). I'm expecting them to arrive in 2-3 weeks.

The rest of my setup is (or will be for the tv) as follows:

- Two PB13 Ultra's
- Sherbourn 7/2100 amp
- Onkyo PRO pr-sc886 pre-amp
- Panasonic TC-P65V10 plasma (Unfortunately it won't be released till august - geerrrggghhhh!!!)
- Salamanderdesigns AV stand
- And of course some other little gadgets - PS3, 1TB Tivo, cables, fancy remote, etc...

No real point to my post, I guess I'm just excited and wanted to share with the group. (The wife doesn't appreciate the details of the setup as much as I do:))
I don't blame you I would be proud also great set up.

I don't blame you I would be proud also great set up.

Thanks oztech!

Since everybody's talking about their setups, I guess I wanted to jump in. I just ordered my paradigm setup this saturday (100's for the front, 4X20's for the 7.2 surround, 690 center, 4XJ29 stands). I'm expecting them to arrive in 2-3 weeks.

The rest of my setup is (or will be for the tv) as follows:

- Two PB13 Ultra's
- Sherbourn 7/2100 amp
- Onkyo PRO pr-sc886 pre-amp
- Panasonic TC-P65V10 plasma (Unfortunately it won't be released till august - geerrrggghhhh!!!)
- Salamanderdesigns AV stand
- And of course some other little gadgets - PS3, 1TB Tivo, cables, fancy remote, etc...

No real point to my post, I guess I'm just excited and wanted to share with the group. (The wife doesn't appreciate the details of the setup as much as I do:))

x2 PB 13 ultra's thats got to be sick. Pics please:) How big is your room?

Got my Emotiva XPA-5 today!!! No speakers to hook it up to yet though, hurry up Paradigm!! Got my 2 MFW15's waiting to be matched w/ those speakers as well :)

x2 PB 13 ultra's thats got to be sick. Pics please:) How big is your room?

My room is about 16 ft by 28 ft (about 4000 ft^2). I'm not quite ready to post pics yet though. I'm actually a little embarrassed to since i'm waiting for the TV. The pics wouldn't look right with my 4:3 CRT tv that we have (yes, I'm still in standard definition :(). This will be the 'big home theater setup' i've been planning for years and years.

It was funny though, I initially had the SVS's sitting next to the tv, but i had to move them since the giant magnets in them was completely messing up the colors on the tv. (won't be an issue when panasonic releases the 65 incher though)

I also don't have the paradigm speakers yet, they won't be here for a few more weeks. The SVS's look impressive, but the whole setup looks so incomplete.

Got my Emotiva XPA-5 today!!! No speakers to hook it up to yet though, hurry up Paradigm!! Got my 2 MFW15's waiting to be matched w/ those speakers as well :)

Hang on to that optimism, I'm out 8 weeks with no speakers yet.

Hang on to that optimism, I'm out 8 weeks with no speakers yet.

Ouch...:( Any idea of when they're coming in? That's a long time to wait, especially if they're all paid for.

Jason

Yep paid for on day one. I have no idea when they are coming in, every week it's "we're expecting a shipment next week".

Yep paid for on day one. I have no idea when they are coming in, every week it's "we're expecting a shipment next week".


Footboard, where are you located? I can't see 8 weeks being anywhere near normal. I ordered my v.5's (100's, 20's and CC-690) in late Janurary and had them in less them in about 10 days! Having to wait for toys for 8 weeks can NOT be fun!


Brian

Yeah, I ordered on Friday and hopefully they will be here tomorrow. They've been shipped to the dealer already though. Not sure why yours are so delayed.

Footboard, where are you located? I can't see 8 weeks being anywhere near normal. I ordered my v.5's (100's, 20's and CC-690) in late Janurary and had them in less them in about 10 days! Having to wait for toys for 8 weeks can NOT be fun!


Brian

Just a hop across the border - Minnesota. Maybe it's the finish, rosenut.

Got my speakers yesterday!!! One problem though, the 690 didn't come w/ the outrigger feet. Is that right? I thought it came w/ them.

Got my speakers yesterday!!! One problem though, the 690 didn't come w/ the outrigger feet. Is that right? I thought it came w/ them.

Congrats! But then how do they stand? Is it still flat underneath? Maybe you could take some photos and post them.

I'll have to wait a few more weeks for my v.5 system. As I have to get hardwood put in first. Then order. So it looks like I won't get them till late May at the earliest if not early June.

What kind of amp or receiver will be powering your system?

Got my speakers yesterday!!! One problem though, the 690 didn't come w/ the outrigger feet. Is that right? I thought it came w/ them.


Look at the pics, the .v4 models came with outrigger feet, and the .v5 models come with a rubber cradle type foot for underneath... which from what I have heard is not adjustable :rolleyes:

Why they made a cradle that is not adjustable for a center channel to angle upwards or downwards is beyond me... :confused::(

Look at the pics, the .v4 models came with outrigger feet, and the .v5 models come with a rubber cradle type foot for underneath... which from what I have heard is not adjustable :rolleyes:

Why they made a cradle that is not adjustable for a center channel to angle upwards or downwards is beyond me... :confused::(

Yep, the v5 Studio CC's have fixed plastic cradle-type feet, with little adhesive rubber feet that stick to the bottom of those. The plastic cradle parts come attached to the speaker, and because of the way the speaker is curved, they aren't adjustable.

I agree it's a stupid move. It wouldn't have been much more work to make the plastic cradle pieces further apart, and give them adjustable rubber feet or something.

Hey,

Stupid question... Does anyone know if the paradigm v5's are magnetically shielded?

FWIW, I still have a standard definition CRT (which is susceptible to magnets). This won't be a problem once I get my plasma, but unfortunately that won't be till it's released in August.

Also, just wondering about the 100's since they'll be closest to the tv.

Thanks!

CM

Hey guys, I'm looking for a couple of J-29 stands (used to save some $) If anyone knows of any or has some please send me a PM. :)

To those that have a v5 690...would you mind posting some info/pics of the cradle base? I'm building a pair of rosenut stands for a pair of Studio 10's and I'd like to get rolling on a stand for my 690, though it won't be here for a couple weeks. Specifically, I'm looking for the footprint of the cradle and if there's any attachment point like in previous versions.

Thanks!

Jason

I will take a pic, I haven't had a chance yet, the Misses has the camera. I will get one up for you later today

Hey,

Stupid question... Does anyone know if the paradigm v5's are magnetically shielded?

FWIW, I still have a standard definition CRT (which is susceptible to magnets). This won't be a problem once I get my plasma, but unfortunately that won't be till it's released in August.

Also, just wondering about the 100's since they'll be closest to the tv.

Thanks!

CM


Hi crackmonkey,

Nope, they definitely are not magnetically shielded.

Regards,
Shawn

To those that have a v5 690...would you mind posting some info/pics of the cradle base? I'm building a pair of rosenut stands for a pair of Studio 10's and I'd like to get rolling on a stand for my 690, though it won't be here for a couple weeks. Specifically, I'm looking for the footprint of the cradle and if there's any attachment point like in previous versions.

Thanks!

Jason



I have a 590, but here are the pics of the feet on it.

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m207/cjv998/PICT0203.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m207/cjv998/PICT0204.jpg

I added the 3 square rubber feet under the front edges to angle it up, and as you can see, they're putting too much strain on the plastic, and it's starting to warp.

I'm thinking I may get some of the foam rubber pads you use for keyboards to prop up the front, so the plastic cradle part doesn't get warped any more.

I just wanted to find out if anyone experienced any tweeter crossover wire problems with their Studio 100's. Mine came with both tweeters non-functional. In looking at the crossover network on the back of each of my 100's, I noticed that the crossover wire pairs for the tweeters were totally disconnected from the gold leads. Thus, I had to physically re-attach them in BOTH my speakers.

I think there might me some quality control issues with certain batches as those tweeter crossovers in my mains were so short, that I believe my issue might recur in the future.

Any feedback on this particular issue were be great.

Best regards,
Shawn

I have a 590, but here are the pics of the feet on it.

I added the 3 square rubber feet under the front edges to angle it up, and as you can see, they're putting too much strain on the plastic, and it's starting to warp.

I'm thinking I may get some of the foam rubber pads you use for keyboards to prop up the front, so the plastic cradle part doesn't get warped any more.

Thanks for posting those pics.. I was wondering about the feet on the CC-690 as well. Can anyone tell me the deep the feet go?? I have a center stand 16" wide and 8 " deep. It looks like the feet are closer than 16" apart so I'm good that way but the speaker itself is 16" deep so the back half of the speaker will probably hang at the back - hopefully it will be stable enough since most of the weight will be at the front anyway. Just want to be sure in case I have to modify my stand or get a new one. Thanks.

Also got an update - Paradigm rep called me to tell me they shipped out my speakers this Thursday and should have them by the middle of this week with no delays. Hopefully no problems like other people have had. I will post as soon as I
inspect them.

I have a 690. A stand that's 16x8" will be just fine, wouldn't want to go much smaller.

I just took mine off the stand yesterday, put it back on "risers" that are ~6" off the floor. Been going back and forth every month or so, but I think the "floor" mount is going to be permanent. IMO the feet on the 690 are really poorly/stupidly designed. I say poor because the angle can't be adjusted. I say stupid because why would you put the feet for something that weighs 70lbs (IIRC) so close to the center, when most of the weight is outboard...just too unbalanced for my taste on a typical CC stand. Not totally terrible, but could have been much better. I know they put the feet where they did so that current stands could be used, but it just isn't that good unless the stand has a VERY wide base. Way more stable on the floor/riser, sounds better too IMO. A shelf mount would be good too.

Thanks to all for the info and pics so far. I'll likely build the stand and just hold off on the top part until I pick up my 690. I'll get pics of the other stands up this week.

Jason

Hi crackmonkey,

Nope, they definitely are not magnetically shielded.

Regards,
Shawn

dang... thanks for the response though.

I'm not buying speakers from a company that can't even plug in their tweeters correctly. I was about to buy the 100s.

Even though I'm Canadian, I wouldn't think of supporting this kind of shoddy quality control. Paradigm just lost a customer. Just too many posts about brand-new speakers that don't work properly. Especially for 3 grand a pair--that's as we say in Quebec: "Oublie ça big, sti"

I'm not buying speakers from a company that can't even plug in their tweeters correctly. I was about to buy the 100s.

Even though I'm Canadian, I wouldn't think of supporting this kind of shoddy quality control. Paradigm just lost a customer. Just too many posts about brand-new speakers that don't work properly. Especially for 3 grand a pair--that's as we say in Quebec: "Oublie ça big, sti"welcome to the real world. A little extreme not to buy paradigm. In the end your the one that will miss out on the Paradigm sound.

I just wanted to find out if anyone experienced any tweeter crossover wire problems with their Studio 100's. Mine came with both tweeters non-functional. In looking at the crossover network on the back of each of my 100's, I noticed that the crossover wire pairs for the tweeters were totally disconnected from the gold leads. Thus, I had to physically re-attach them in BOTH my speakers.

I think there might me some quality control issues with certain batches as those tweeter crossovers in my mains were so short, that I believe my issue might recur in the future.

Any feedback on this particular issue were be great.

Best regards,
ShawnI'm curious how this can happen, since every speaker is supposed to be tested before leaving the factory.

I finally took some pics of my completed system with the v.5s in place.

Pic Gallery (http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=KCWolfPck&folderid=1600#)

welcome to the real world. A little extreme not to buy paradigm. In the end your the one that will miss out on the Paradigm sound.

I can totally understand his stance. I don't think it's much to ask that speakers leave the factory with at least basic quality control to make sure they emit sound, and it makes me wonder if there was any QC at all. I had to return my first pair of Studio 10's due to a buzzing noise. As somebody else point out earlier, there are lots of great alternatives to Paradigm that are also worthy

I finally took some pics of my completed system with the v.5s in place.

Pic Gallery (http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=KCWolfPck&folderid=1600#)
WOW, have you dialed in your anthem yet? x2 JL's what is the price on those puppies? I was thinking about getting the paradigm subs but those JL's look sweet. I had x3 JL 10" in a previous car system, I love the sound.

I can totally understand his stance. I don't think it's much to ask that speakers leave the factory with at least basic quality control to make sure they emit sound, and it makes me wonder if there was any QC at all. I had to return my first pair of Studio 10's due to a buzzing noise. As somebody else point out earlier, there are lots of great alternatives to Paradigm that are also worthy
I can't. I could if Paradigm had bad customer service or even if the other models experienced the same issues. Once the demand dies down you will see more QC.

I can't. I could if Paradigm had bad customer service or even if the other models experienced the same issues. Once the demand dies down you will see more QC.

This is a good point. Demand is so high, they're probably rushing to keep up. Still, I agree that they've had more QC problems than I'd consider acceptable on the v5 Studios. Luckily mine are fine. :)

I have a 590, but here are the pics of the feet on it. I added the 3 square rubber feet under the front edges to angle it up, and as you can see, they're putting too much strain on the plastic, and it's starting to warp. I'm thinking I may get some of the foam rubber pads you use for keyboards to prop up the front, so the plastic cradle part doesn't get warped any more.

cjv998 - I bought some ½" foam pipe insulation, put a ½"x18" round wood rod in the center with a 2"x20" steel plate on top of it all, and set the front edge of the feet on top. It all compresses down a bit after a couple weeks so that it eventually gives you about a 1" lift to the front of the speaker. I think it will hold up well in the long run and doesn't look too bad as well.

ez

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww268/ezdriver7/DSCF0079.jpg

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww268/ezdriver7/DSCF0009.jpg

This is a good point. Demand is so high, they're probably rushing to keep up. Still, I agree that they've had more QC problems than I'd consider acceptable on the v5 Studios. Luckily mine are fine. :)

I just placed an order this week for a couple 100's, a 690, and 4X20's for the surround. I read a couple posts about QC issues, but I'm starting to get a little scared since they seem to keep coming in.

I agree that at this price point and if you want to consider yourself a reputable company then not connecting tweeter wires is absolutely unacceptable.

WOW, have you dialed in your anthem yet? x2 JL's what is the price on those puppies? I was thinking about getting the paradigm subs but those JL's look sweet. I had x3 JL 10" in a previous car system, I love the sound.

No, I haven't had a chance to run the Anthem Room Correction yet. One of the speakers was damaged in shipping, so I'll wait until that gets replaced. Yeah, the JL's definitely are sweet. MSRP on them is $3700 each, but I got a little bit of a deal.

cjv998 - I bought some ½" foam pipe insulation, put a ½"x18" round wood rod in the center with a 2"x20" steel plate on top of it all, and set the front edge of the feet on top. It all compresses down a bit after a couple weeks so that it eventually gives you about a 1" lift to the front of the speaker. I think it will hold up well in the long run and doesn't look too bad as well.

ez





ez, glad to see that you got something to work for you, but I have to say, and I hope that Paradigm is reading this, having to implement something like that is just downright atrocious, PARADIGM !!! where are the adjustable feet for the center channel ???????

Yep...while I haven't seen it firsthand, the base of the new CCs seems like a disaster. What the heck are they thinking?!?! I'll definitely be waiting to get my 690 to figure out the stand for that beast. I'll likely eliminate the top plate of the stand altogether and cradle the 690 with the posts.

Jason

having to implement something like that is just downright atrocious, PARADIGM !!! where are the adjustable feet for the center channel ???????

Couldn't agree more!

ez

I can't. I could if Paradigm had bad customer service or even if the other models experienced the same issues. Once the demand dies down you will see more QC.

They have good customer service, but it's a pain to have to return speakers for warranty or need to disassemble them to replace a driver. My first pair was the wrong color (Paradigm sent the wrong color), second pair had a buzzing noise and the third pair has cosmetic blemishes. So I had to drive back and forth to the dealer many times to get this all sorted out.

Assembling a speaker is not rocket science and it's still shocking to read this thread and see that a few people got speakers that were not working right out of the box. I think it reasonable to expect that the crossovers or drivers be connected before they ship them out.

I understand these things happen...but at the same time, I think that it's quite reasonable to look elsewhere because there are many other great speakers out there, and if one isn't comfortable with seeing reports of defective speakers, then I say to them, look at PSB, Energy, Totem, NHT, Revel, Ascend, Epos, Wharfedale, KEF, Mirage, Usher, B&W, Dynaudio, or any other number of speaker makers that make a good sounding product as well

Also have to take into consideration the amount of owners in comparison to other brands on these threads. The Studio line is certainly very popular.

Another speaker company that I suppose could be used as an example on these threads would be the DT Mythos line. There have been reports of owners receiving less than ideal products. It may not be to the extent as of late here, but it is there nonetheless.

I also would like to note that I do not own Paradigm speakers, and am not defending them in any way, shape, or form. Just trying to look at it from all points of view.

No, I haven't had a chance to run the Anthem Room Correction yet. One of the speakers was damaged in shipping, so I'll wait until that gets replaced. Yeah, the JL's definitely are sweet. MSRP on them is $3700 each, but I got a little bit of a deal.Im thinking about 2 sub 15's or 1 sub 25.

Im thinking about 2 sub 15's or 1 sub 25.


If your not totally hung up on the looks dept.... I would look at a couple of Mark Seatons Submersives, at $2k each, they are honestly some of the most incredible subs I have heard and experienced...

I own an F112, and 4-5 DIY subs that are incredible in my great room...

Had I not gone DIY I would have a Pair of Submersives - it would have been cheaper for me in the great scheme of things here...

They submersives are not the prettiest things on the planet, but when the lights are out - you won't care one bit... Seriously awe inspiring..

If your not totally hung up on the looks dept.... I would look at a couple of Mark Seatons Submersives, at $2k each, they are honestly some of the most incredible subs I have heard and experienced...

I own an F112, and 4-5 DIY subs that are incredible in my great room...

Had I not gone DIY I would have a Pair of Submersives - it would have been cheaper for me in the great scheme of things here...

They submersives are not the prettiest things on the planet, but when the lights are out - you won't care one bit... Seriously awe inspiring..
are they sealed?or ported?

are they sealed?or ported?

Dual 15" opposed firing Sealed

Here's the short list of what makes a SubMersive:
* Dual, custom designed, 15" drivers with 3" diameter voice coils
* A sealed enlcosure built from very strong and rigid Baltic Birch Plywood
* Drivers on opposing faces for a completely inert, stablized cabinet that won't walk, shake or quiver.
* A robust, high efficiency, 1,000W ICEpower based amplifier with SMPS power supply.
* Isolated balanced input eliminating common ground loop problems
* Cabinet dimensions: 24.25" W x 17.5" D x 25.5" H
* Frequency response: +/-3dB 18-200Hz - outdoor ground plane

That sub is impressive... no lie


Good read... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16362190#post16362190

Marks site...
http://seatonsound.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=1945927

Hey All just got my cc-490. Currently in the breaking in process( Yes I beleive in the breakin process). I noticed a couple of posts regarding the cradle the speaker comes with. It is built to fit the paradigm J-18C stand. For the time being I unscrewed the cradles and reversed the dir they were pointed. This gave the speaker more of an upward position. Does any body have any suggestions on a better solution for the device that holds the speaker? already have a 16" stand.

Dual 15" opposed firing Sealed

Here's the short list of what makes a SubMersive:
* Dual, custom designed, 15" drivers with 3" diameter voice coils
* A sealed enlcosure built from very strong and rigid Baltic Birch Plywood
* Drivers on opposing faces for a completely inert, stablized cabinet that won't walk, shake or quiver.
* A robust, high efficiency, 1,000W ICEpower based amplifier with SMPS power supply.
* Isolated balanced input eliminating common ground loop problems
* Cabinet dimensions: 24.25" W x 17.5" D x 25.5" H
* Frequency response: +/-3dB 18-200Hz - outdoor ground plane

That sub is impressive... no lie


Good read... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16362190#post16362190

Marks site...
http://seatonsound.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=1945927
im impressed from the info so far. the sub does no look bad. I probally only need 1. whats the msrp?

im impressed from the info so far. the sub does no look bad. I probally only need 1. whats the msrp?

$2k plus delivery....

Got a first hand listen to it, and it is just an amazing product that Mark makes, very well thought out and extremely articulate throughout the entire band, especially up high.... Like my DIY drivers the Maelstrom-X 18"s which I have crossed all the way up to 120hz... regardless of what my Studio 100's can do, they will do it better by far....

With room gain, it'll hit the low notes effortlessly... oh and scare the crap out of ya doin it... :D

:)

Guy's just wanted to thank you all for your advice in choosing a center channel to go with my studio 20s v.5. I got the cc-490. I ran my my onkyo's Adussey set up, and man does my system soud great! :D ( Check out Return To Forevers new BlueRay). One thing though with the new speaker all of a sudden the Bottom end is 10x louder. I have to figure that out with some tweaking. Thanks again! Now that I have caught this paradigm Bug, a pair of 10s are looking mighty tempting for surrounds!

Guy's just wanted to thank you all for your advice in choosing a center channel to go with my studio 20s v.5. I got the cc-490. I ran my my onkyo's Adussey set up, and man does my system soud great! :D ( Check out Return To Forevers new BlueRay). One thing though with the new speaker all of a sudden the Bottom end is 10x louder. I have to figure that out with some tweaking. Thanks again! Now that I have caught this paradigm Bug, a pair of 10s are looking mighty tempting for surrounds!
enjoy post some pics:)

Does anyone have any thoughts about using the 20's vs. the ADP-590's for the surrounds?

My fronts would be 100's and a 690 center.

Does anyone have any thoughts about using the 20's vs. the ADP-590's for the surrounds?

My fronts would be 100's and a 690 center.

I have both for a 7.1 set-up.

For movies, in my room, the ADP's excels over the 20's in sound dispersion. I couldn't be happier with them.

For me, although a tough decision and based on my room characteristics, I would chose the ADPs over the 20's strictly for use as surrounds. Your situation may differ based on your room characteristics.

However, IMO the 20s have a fuller sound to them. I believe the 20's are more functional in that, sometimes, I use the 20s to play music.

Tough call, probably the reason I purchased both.

Does anyone have any thoughts about using the 20's vs. the ADP-590's for the surrounds?

My fronts would be 100's and a 690 center.5.1 or 7.1?

Does anyone have any thoughts about using the 20's vs. the ADP-590's for the surrounds?

My fronts would be 100's and a 690 center.

For strictly HT, I'd go with the ADP's. As noted, they'll have greater dispersion and be harder to pinpoint their location. If you're doing any multichannel music, I'd consider the 20's for the edge in accuracy.

Jason

5.1 or 7.1?

sorry - 7.1.

sorry - 7.1.
for the side surrounds you will need the ADP590's. as for the rear you should use the 10's. do you have seats up against the back wall? how far are your seats from your back wall?

for the side surrounds you will need the ADP590's. as for the rear you should use the 10's. do you have seats up against the back wall? how far are your seats from your back wall?

The seats in the back are relatively far from the wall, but there is a dining room table behind the couch. I do have some wiggle room to move the speakers around behind the couch though.

Not sure I understand the reasoning behind the ADP's and 10's. Wouldn't 20's for surrounds and rears be fine. (I have to admit that I do like the wood look on the 20's vs the grey ADP's). For the fronts I have the 100's and 690 center.

The seats in the back are relatively far from the wall, but there is a dining room table behind the couch. I do have some wiggle room to move the speakers around behind the couch though.

Not sure I understand the reasoning behind the ADP's and 10's. Wouldn't 20's for surrounds and rears be fine. (I have to admit that I do like the wood look on the 20's vs the grey ADP's). For the fronts I have the 100's and 690 center.
are the speakers going on the wall?size of room?

are the speakers going on the wall?size of room?

My living room is rectangular with dimensions of about 16 ft by 28 ft. Right now there is about 8 feet between the back of my couch and the back wall (a dining room table is between the wall and the back of the couch). The couch can be moved closer to the tv if necessary.

And there is no real practical location that I could mount the surrounds and rears. I have to use a stand.

My living room is rectangular with dimensions of about 16 ft by 28 ft. Right now there is about 8 feet between the back of my couch and the back wall (a dining room table is between the wall and the back of the couch). The couch can be moved closer to the tv if necessary.

And there is no real practical location that I could mount the surrounds and rears. I have to use a stand.
if your putting the surr and rears on stands then 20's will be fine for both. will the side surrounds be open to another room or near a wall?

if your putting the surr and rears on stands then 20's will be fine for both. will the side surrounds be open to another room or near a wall?

The one on the left will be against a wall, the right one will be about 4 ft away from the other wall. (there's a small path between the couch and wall to get by).

All four surrounds will be on J29 stands.

Apologies for not having a picture drawn, maybe I'll try to put a real one together later. I tried to put a crude schematic below (not sure what it will look like after i try to post it though). Either way, sincere thanks for the comments.

L Sub1 T(cent)V Sub2 R




LS1 LS2 RS2 RS1

Finally got my Studio 100's and CC-690 in today. Very happy to say that they are in mint condition and in perfect working order!! The Black finish is actually pretty smooth and nicer looking than I thought it would be.:)

I'm in a tough spot and I was hoping that someone here might be able to help me out. Here's my situation:

So I was planning to get my Panasonic 65" tv in august based on the release date announced earlier in the year. I just found that they put the model I am interested in on their website, but now they are listing the release date as June. I had initially intended to get a salamanderdesigns stand (a synergy triple 10 with a 12" triple riser on top).

I essentially have two problems:

1. For my center channel speaker, I have a paradigm 690. It's a pretty big speaker (10" X 37" X 16"), so it needs a big place to put it. I was initially going to put it under the triple riser with the tv sitting on top. The 10" height of the center channel seems to be a very uncommon spec that most tv stand manufacturers don't support.

2. When Panasonic put the TV on their website this week, it had the specifications listed, including the weight (200 lbs). The problem here is that the triple riser on the salamander can only support 120 pounds. The brace that they make to mount flat screens can't even accomodate the tv I'm interested in.

I really liked the design and layout of the salamanders. If the tv weight weren't an issue, it really would have been perfect for my home theater. The cabinets underneath would have supported my amp, pre-amp, tivo, and PS3 perfectly, with the 690 on top of them. I'm sure some other people here got the 690 with a big tv so someone may have run into this problem.

If I only had one of the problems above, it would be much easier to find something, but the combination of the tv weight and space requirements for the center channel are making it tough to find something. I even called salamanderdesigns yesterday and spoke with a sales rep. They were very nice, but they said that there's nothing they could do for me.

My questions are as follows:
1. Does anyone know of a TV stand that could accomodate my needs?

2. Does anyone know of some TV stand manufacturers that offer custom designs like salamander does that they would recommend?

3. Has anyone had to hire a carpenter to build a stand. What was the price, quality, and overall experience like? (And where did you find them)

Apologies for the lengthy message, but I'm in a bit of a jam right now, and any help from the board members would be greatly appreciated!!!

Best Regards,

CM

The best part about getting a carpenter to build a cabinet is you get the deminsions you
ask for and if you want a certain type of wood or finish still not a problem the only downside is it takes time and more money but if done right you will probably be happier.

I've built a handful of TV stands for myself and others (friends and forum members). I'll get some pictures posted this evening. Hiring a carpenter is a very good option but can get expensive depending on your design and requirements. You can choose the materials and finish and design specs and style it to your liking. You'll almost always end up with a better product than can be had commercially, but it comes at a higher cost.

Jason

Can the non-v5-studio conversations be moved over to the paradigm owners thread? This thread has gone way offtopic, but some of it is good information that should really be kept in the owners thread.

Has anyone received studio 60's V5 in rosenut over the past 2.5 months? Just trying to find out if Paradigm is really that far behind or if I have problems with my local dealer. I'm 10 weeks out and about ready to cancel and start from square one again on speakers.

Can the non-v5-studio conversations be moved over to the paradigm owners thread? This thread has gone way offtopic, but some of it is good information that should really be kept in the owners thread.
What are you referring to that's "way off topic..."? I think we're all talking about the same speakers here. If we're out of line, then by all means feel free to bust out your "On-Topic Thread Police" badge and give us a good toungue-lashing...otherwise just relax.

Jason

Not even sure why there was a need for .v5 thread anyways, it would fit right into the Paradigm Owners thread just fine, as they are just the latest "Paradigm" Products anyways.

Never felt a need to adopt a new thread for the .v4's, I honestly don't see the reason for this thread - but I'm not the thread police either.... :)

Not even sure why there was a need for .v5 thread anyways, it would fit right into the Paradigm Owners thread just fine, as they are just the latest "Paradigm" Products anyways.

Never felt a need to adopt a new thread for the .v4's, I honestly don't see the reason for this thread - but I'm not the thread police either.... :)Do you really want to share a thread with the cimena and millenia guy's:D

Ha.... then maybe I should start my own Paradigm Signatures thread...

I'm holding out until Cedia to see if Paradigm has something up their sleeve for the new Sig line, otherwise I'll be getting some .v2's - as I can't hold out much longer here..

I do have to say since I recently got my Anthem D2v, things have never sounded better in my room - it was a enormous upgrade...

Ha.... then maybe I should start my own Paradigm Signatures thread...

I'm holding out until Cedia to see if Paradigm has something up their sleeve for the new Sig line, otherwise I'll be getting some .v2's - as I can't hold out much longer here..

I do have to say since I recently got my Anthem D2v, things have never sounded better in my room - it was a enormous upgrade...whats your current setup again?

Here are a couple of pics of stands that I've done...

This first one is mine and was built to accomodate my CC-570 in our old setup. The Studio 5.1 moved to the basement for a few months and is now being replaced by the v5 line. The stand is still in use, but my Parasound Halo A21 now occupies the center channel space. This one is solid cherry.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC02032.jpg

Here's what the setup looks like now...

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC04346.jpg

And here's a stand I did last fall for a friend of mine. He is only using a 2.0 setup, so there was no need for a center channel spot in the stand. This one is made up of solid oak posts and top deck and 3/4" oak ply for the vertical panels and shelves.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC01875.jpg

Jason

Hey guys, I'm looking for a couple of J-29 stands (used to save some $) If anyone knows of any or has some please send me a PM. :)

Not sure if you found your stands, but there's a pair that was just listed at A'gon this morning.

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?accsrack&1248014017&/Paradigm-Premier-J29-J-29-spea

Jason

What are you referring to that's "way off topic..."? I think we're all talking about the same speakers here. If we're out of line, then by all means feel free to bust out your "On-Topic Thread Police" badge and give us a good toungue-lashing...otherwise just relax.

Jason

Um, okay, did I post in all caps or something? Just checked, nope. I wasn't trying to tongue-lash or get bent out of shape. No need to take is personally, it was just a suggestion. Oh and I think building cabinets has nothing to do with paradigm speakers, btw.

I'm not trying to be an ass, it is just annoying to track two paradigm threads when most other groups of speaker owners can stick to one thread.

Sorry, continue with your studio v.5-ish conversation, I'll go back to crying on my monitors wishing I had my own thread.

Um, okay, did I post in all caps or something? Just checked, nope.
That's funny...seriously.

I wasn't trying to tongue-lash or get bent out of shape. No need to take is personally, it was just a suggestion.
No...you were just trying to be the Thread Police. People were asking for suggestions on stands that could accommodate the CC-690 v5 and we were just making what we thought were useful suggestions.

Oh and I think building cabinets has nothing to do with paradigm speakers, btw.
Right, because people with Paradigm speakers have no need for furniture. :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to be an ass...
Try harder...

...it is just annoying to track two paradigm threads when most other groups of speaker owners can stick to one thread.
Funny coming from someone that was so protective of the v5 thread. And I didn't start the v5 thread and it obviously wasn't intended to be a seperate owners' thread.

Sorry, continue with your studio v.5-ish conversation, I'll go back to crying on my monitors wishing I had my own thread.
You could always start your own thread...official "On-Topic Thread Police" badge and all.

BTW, aren't folks out in Fort Collins (aka- Fort Fun) supposed to be laid back? Why so uptight? :)

Jason

Jason,

I don't know what you do for a living, however the cabinet work photos show you have real talent for woodworking. Excellent stuff.

As for Warpdrv's suggestion of starting a thread for the Signatures, why not? For those of us who have owned the previous Studio lines (I still have v.3s), it is difficult to get excited about the v.5s. Sure, they look different. However, based on what I've heard and seen of them at my local dealer, they ain't all that. The Signatures however, bear a closer look.

whats your current setup again?

List is in my profile... I have 2 separate systems....

Last thing for me to change in my Main System is to upgrade my speakers, looking to see what pops up at Cedia for the Sig line.