Jason,


As for Warpdrv's suggestion of starting a thread for the Signatures, why not? For those of us who have owned the previous Studio lines (I still have v.3s), it is difficult to get excited about the v.5s. Sure, they look different. However, based on what I've heard and seen of them at my local dealer, they ain't all that. The Signatures however, bear a closer look.


+1....
I have .v1 Sig S4's and C3, and they are very nice, the .v2 Sigs are a very nice step above them with the nicer mid driver and the Be tweeter is among the best I have heard, like a ribbon tweet without the beeming flashlight issues.

I think I'm going to go to Cedia, in hopes they have a preview of the .v3 Sigs.

+1....
I have .v1 Sig S4's and C3, and they are very nice, the .v2 Sigs are a very nice step above them with the nicer mid driver and the Be tweeter is among the best I have heard, like a ribbon tweet without the beeming flashlight issues.

I think I'm going to go to Cedia, in hopes they have a preview of the .v3 Sigs.
whats the difference in sound between your studios and sigs?

whats the difference in sound between your studios and sigs?

I would say they are pretty close between the Studio .v4 and the Sigs .v1, but the Sigs are much more controlled, cleaner and refined, when the volumes are raised there is a noticeable difference in clarity and tightness.

The Sig .v2's are a much larger gap compared to the Studio's, the tweeter and mids are miles ahead IMO.

For those interested there already is a thread dedicated on the Signature line, but it's dormant and was pretty thin while active.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=878920

That's a shame since they are definately a step up from the Studio line and don't get nearly the attention they deserve. My thoughts on them are the same as Warpdrv describes. They used to look sexier too but the v5 series pretty much eliminated that difference. Fortunately I was able to get a terrific price on mine to help justify their higher cost. Also I lean more towards the music side of the HT/Music listening ratio so the better sound quality to my ears was worth it.

I would say they are pretty close between the Studio .v4 and the Sigs .v1, but the Sigs are much more controlled, cleaner and refined, when the volumes are raised there is a noticeable difference in clarity and tightness.

The Sig .v2's are a much larger gap compared to the Studio's, the tweeter and mids are miles ahead IMO.

Shush! Posts like these lead to upgraditus:D

For those interested there already is a thread dedicated on the Signature line, but it's dormant and was pretty thin while active.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=878920

That's a shame since they are definately a step up from the Studio line and don't get nearly the attention they deserve. My thoughts on them are the same as Warpdrv describes. They used to look sexier too but the v5 series pretty much eliminated that difference. Fortunately I was able to get a terrific price on mine to help justify their higher cost. Also I lean more towards the music side of the HT/Music listening ratio so the better sound quality to my ears was worth it.thanks its back. never understood the HT/music ratio.

BTW, aren't folks out in Fort Collins (aka- Fort Fun) supposed to be laid back? Why so uptight? :)

Jason

I moved here from San Diego, so I'm still trying to shed my SoCal a-hole skin, so I'll try not to post thread police posts until I get completely cleansed!

Thanks for being a sport ;) Oh and nice cabinet work... oh crap, look what I just did, broke my own rules.

I moved here from San Diego, so I'm still trying to shed my SoCal a-hole skin, so I'll try not to post thread police posts until I get completely cleansed!

Thanks for being a sport ;) Oh and nice cabinet work... oh crap, look what I just did, broke my own rules.

I dunno...I love San Diego and I used to live in Fort Collins. I know that most folks in CO aren't too crazy about them Californians, but they always seem a'ight to me (present company included). :D

Jason

Shush! Posts like these lead to upgraditus:D


No doubt there Shawn....

I started out in this hobby easy, and now its a full on obsession, but worth it in my eyes.... Building my own subs has been a extremely satisfying adventure.

The addition of the D2v has certainly been one of the greatest additions to my system as well, but I still can't get the Sig .v2's sound signature out of my head... :)

No doubt there Shawn....

I started out in this hobby easy, and now its a full on obsession, but worth it in my eyes.... Building my own subs has been a extremely satisfying adventure.

The addition of the D2v has certainly been one of the greatest additions to my system as well, but I still can't get the Sig .v2's sound signature out of my head... :)
Shawn's system is a little unbalanced:D a sim2 but no sigs?:)

Warp: Would you say that the Sig series is THAT much better over the Studio line? Are we talking for all types of music or HT?

I am looking at a 2.1 setup so would the Sig series be that much better? Would I have to goto 5.1 to make it worthwhile?

I am still debating on the v5 Studio line vs other lines.

Ryan

Has anyone received studio 60's V5 in rosenut over the past 2.5 months? Just trying to find out if Paradigm is really that far behind or if I have problems with my local dealer. I'm 10 weeks out and about ready to cancel and start from square one again on speakers.

Still waiting on mine - going on 1 month now.

Personally I say def YES....

If your intentions are only for 2.1, look at the Sig S6's or even the S4's with a sub, they are extremely powerful. My S4's .v1 mated with a F112 is just downright wicked !!! When I want to listen to 2 channel music, I head to the Sigs for sure....

The Studio's are great for me in my great room and when I have parties and do movies they are more then plenty fine, my guests are usually blown away by the Studio's but it takes the more trained ear to appreciate what the Sigs have to offer.

My GF thinks the Sigs sound a good deal better then my Studio's for just hanging out and listening to music, though I am the first to ever introduce her to this level of components.

Her hearing is better then mine, even though I am very particular about my sound.

Also take a look at the Salk Sound speakers.... I recently hear a pair of Salk HT2's, they are an incredible speaker, it was very very hard to tell that the sub was not playing, and the Ribbon Tweeter was oh so sweet... The Paradigm Be tweeter of the Sigs is almost as delicate, but was better at spreading the sound around the room... off axis stuff....

<---- = untrained ear AND I listen to rap so the tweeter is a little less important for me. I don't do jazz or classical or something that I think really matters to get the perfect sound. I am just looking for a balance of LOUD and Good sounding. Looks like I might be better (and my wallet) getting the studios. Now I am leaning toward the 10's since that review just came out. Especially considering I will be using what I buy NOW as my rears in the future (when I get a real room for HT)

Ryan

That is good street sound decision making, nothin wrong with that...

The Studio's are great sounding speakers, no question about it...

When I first bought my Studio 100 v3's a few years back, I had the opportunity to audition the Sig S8 v1's side-by-side with the Studio 100's. I was very impressed with the Sigs, both aesthetically and sonically, but I couldn't justify nearly 3x the price tag of the Studio 100's for the Sigs. Now that I'm replacing my Studio v3 5.1 with a new setup, I again reconsidered the Sigs (v2), but again found myself struggling to justify it. Part of the issue is that I'll be using the new setup almost exclusively for HT, now that I have my Dali Euphonias upstairs for 2-channel music only, and therefore I'm not quite as critical as I might be in a music rig. That's not to say that I don't want very high quality speakers in the new setup, but I won't be as focused on the speakers in an HT setup as I obviously am in a music setup. That may sound strange (or it might not), but I'd rather save a few bucks and throw the money at amplification or DIY subs (;)).

It's the whole concept of diminishing returns and in the immortal words of Dirty Harry, "A man has to know his limitations."

Jason

When I first bought my Studio 100 v3's a few years back, I had the opportunity to audition the Sig S8 v1's side-by-side with the Studio 100's. I was very impressed with the Sigs, both aesthetically and sonically, but I couldn't justify nearly 3x the price tag of the Studio 100's for the Sigs. Now that I'm replacing my Studio v3 5.1 with a new setup, I again reconsidered the Sigs (v2), but again found myself struggling to justify it. Part of the issue is that I'll be using the new setup almost exclusively for HT, now that I have my Dali Euphonias upstairs for 2-channel music only, and therefore I'm not quite as critical as I might be in a music rig. That's not to say that I don't want very high quality speakers in the new setup, but I won't be as focused on the speakers in an HT setup as I obviously am in a music setup. That may sound strange (or it might not), but I'd rather save a few bucks and throw the money at amplification or DIY subs (;)).

It's the whole concept of diminishing returns and in the immortal words of Dirty Harry, "A man has to know his limitations."

Jasoneven if its 100% HT, the average movie has about 70% music in them. not to mention concerts on blu ray.

Thanks...I understand that.

My point was that I can't justify spending several thousand dollars more for a setup that I simply won't be using for critical listening like I do with my 2-channel rig upstairs. I love Bluray concerts and enjoyed them thoroughly on my Studio 100 v3 setup as well as my Dali rig.

I'm a music whore...seriously.

I'm pretty confident that a Studio 100 v5 5.1 can do the trick just fine with movies and concerts...as well as the occasional tryst with a lowly CD...;)

Jason

As an afterthought...and I don't want to offend any of the Sig owners out there (especially you, Patrick!)...if I were to spend that kind of coin on a speaker setup, I'd likely be looking at brands other than Paradigm. I've owned Atoms, Titans, Studios, Servos, Cinemas, Stylus, etc (and I'm in the process of buying a new Studio 100/690/ADP 5.1)...so I'm a bonafide fan. However, when you get up into the price bracket of the Sigs, there are a lot of manufacturers that have some pretty interesting offerings that would likely give the Sigs a run for their money.

Jason

As an afterthought...and I don't want to offend any of the Sig owners out there (especially you, Patrick!)...if I were to spend that kind of coin on a speaker setup, I'd likely be looking at brands other than Paradigm. I've owned Atoms, Titans, Studios, Servos, Cinemas, Stylus, etc (and I'm in the process of buying a new Studio 100/690/ADP 5.1)...so I'm a bonafide fan. However, when you get up into the price bracket of the Sigs, there are a lot of manufacturers that have some pretty interesting offerings that would likely give the Sigs a run for their money.

Jason

No offense to me whatsoever here Jason, everyone has to take measures into consideration, you have a full on 2 channel setup with Dali Euphonia's, those are by no means an inexpensive speaker. Very much along the same lines of the Paradigm Sigs....

My current 2 channel preference is focused in my bedroom setup, as my Sig S4's just handle this scenario better then my Studio's..... As I'm sure you would say the same about your comparison of the Studio's to the Dali's you now have for music only... My personal goal will be to upgrade my speakers in my great room so as to be able to have my HT setup serve both as a HT and 2 channel listening arena as well... I don't always want to be laying in bed to listen to great quality audio.... My point is one needs to focus his direction to where they would like to go....

There are many other brands out there, and my upgrade plan is slowly moving along, I bought my Wyred4Sound amp, just acquired a Anthem D2v, my Oppo 83 is now on the way, new 65" plasma is in place, 4 DIY Subs are hooked up and pounding with 16kw of pro amp power, the final upgrade will be speakers.... but I'm holding out to see what the next batch of Sigs has in store, but my options are always open, I have auditioned many many speakers, and there are alot out there, but as with you, aesthetics are very important so there are limitations to be certain

As an afterthought...and I don't want to offend any of the Sig owners out there (especially you, Patrick!)...if I were to spend that kind of coin on a speaker setup, I'd likely be looking at brands other than Paradigm. I've owned Atoms, Titans, Studios, Servos, Cinemas, Stylus, etc (and I'm in the process of buying a new Studio 100/690/ADP 5.1)...so I'm a bonafide fan. However, when you get up into the price bracket of the Sigs, there are a lot of manufacturers that have some pretty interesting offerings that would likely give the Sigs a run for their money.

Jason

We all have different ears, and it's all about the sound (and looks). At this price range, the subtleties of the sound differences are far less objective, and more about what each person hears.

Personally, I auditioned a fair number of speakers in this range, and the Sigs just "sang" to me. They brought out an emotion in the music that I didn't get from any other speaker. For me and my ears.

And really, there aren't nearly as many speakers in the mid- to higher-end price range as there are in the consumer price range...

What's the list price for Studio 20 V5?......

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/10/paradigm-gives-its-reference-studio-speakers-a-bump-to-v-5/

$1198/pr for the Studio 20s...that's US. :)

Jason

Shush! Posts like these lead to upgraditus:D

Forgot to add to this posting.....

Keep in mind shawn, most good and reputable dealers offer an upgrade path plan, that if you upgrade your speakers within a year to a higher version they will credit you for what you already invested from the start on those speakers. With the money you have spent with your dealer, I would like to hope he would be very accommodating.... :)

I can't say that with your equipment and attention to details you have spent on your setup that the sound your are experiencing is nothing short of phenomenal already, just thought I would throw that out there.

Warp

I am a bit confused about the price on the Studio 20V.5. I checked ebay and some guy listed a pair for $1800, while the list price is $599 per speaker. How come the price is so high. I checked, that price is not included the stand.I am looking to get 5 of the Studio20 v.5 for the second tv in the house.

That guy that has the 20's listed at Ebay is a moron. Just look at the ad... he's the same guy selling Studio 100's for $2k each! :eek:

Stay away...stay far away...

Jason

That guy that has the 20's listed at Ebay is a moron. Just look at the ad... he's the same guy selling Studio 100's for $2k each! :eek:

Stay away...stay far away...

Jason
Thanks Jason. I noticed his English is as bad as mine. I will never buy from ebay anyways , I was checking out the market. I just bought a 52 LN650 inch Sammy for a second room which is by the way a great tv. My home theater I use for viewing movies only, because the bulb is so expensive to change every six months. My wife said no big speakers again, she gives me the green light for the book S though.

What's the list price for Studio 20 V5?......Studio 10: $399
Studio 20: $599
Studio 60: $999
Studio 100: $1,499
Studio CC-490: $799
Studio CC-590 $1,199
Studio CC-690: $1,499
SUB 12: $1,999
SUB 15: $2,799

Studio 10: $399
Studio 20: $599
Studio 60: $999
Studio 100: $1,499
Studio CC-490: $799
Studio CC-590 $1,199
Studio CC-690: $1,499
SUB 12: $1,999
SUB 15: $2,799

Those prices are per speaker. Most folks know that, but I figured I'd point that out.

Jason

Hi all, I've been lurking around here for a while, but this is my first post so be gentle!

I'm going for the HT ugrade and I want to start with the front 3. I auditioned the the studio 60 v5 again this weekend, and fortunately they had the 100 v5's as well. Tried them both with the cc590. I thought that the 100's had a bit more "oomph", and since I expect this setup to last me a while, I've talked myself (and the wife) to go with the 100's and a CC690, instead of the 60/590.

However, I am waiting to upgrade the amp. For the time being, they would be running from a Yamaha HTR-5830. So before I buy, I would like to make sure that the Yamaha will be sufficient enough so the speakers don't get dammaged. (I understand that underpowering = bad!) You input will be appreciated, thanks.

Phil

Hi all, I've been lurking around here for a while, but this is my first post so be gentle!

I'm going for the HT ugrade and I want to start with the front 3. I auditioned the the studio 60 v5 again this weekend, and fortunately they had the 100 v5's as well. Tried them both with the cc590. I thought that the 100's had a bit more "oomph", and since I expect this setup to last me a while, I've talked myself (and the wife) to go with the 100's and a CC690, instead of the 60/590.

However, I am waiting to upgrade the amp. For the time being, they would be running from a Yamaha HTR-5830. So before I buy, I would like to make sure that the Yamaha will be sufficient enough so the speakers don't get dammaged. (I understand that underpowering = bad!) You input will be appreciated, thanks.
Phil



At 93/90DB (room/anechoic) efficiency and 8 ohm compatibility I would think the Yamaha more than adequate unless you listena t very very high volume levels.

At 93/90DB (room/anechoic) efficiency and 8 ohm compatibility I would think the Yamaha more than adequate unless you listena t very very high volume levels.


Well listening level will play a major role in amp requirements and if you only plan to listen at casual levels almost any amp/AVR will do. However, the Studio 100's do dip down below 3 ohms at some frequencies so having a better amp would be wise even at normal listening levels. And, if you plan to crank it up from time-to-time having a better amp than is normally found in all but the top AVR's would be desireable.

I personally have the Studio 100's, CC-690, Studio 20's (rear) and Sub 15 subwoofer and am driving them all (minus the sub) with a Pioneer Elite SC-05 AVR rated at 130wpc without any problem BUT I do live in an appartment and can't really turn it up like I'd like to. If I could turn it up I'd want an amp with about 500wpc to drive the fronts and center and then use the AVR to drive only the rears.

An amp or AVR with an honest 50wpc would be enough for most listening situations but if you want to be able to double the volume you need 10X the power. Note that the Studio 100's are rated at 230W max but in reality you can expect to drive them with much more power in bursts as the max ratings are usually pretty conservative and are for continous output. There is a general rule-of-thumb that says the amp should be rated at about 2X the max rating of the speaker and while some may argue with this it is a good place to start. So, 500wpc would be a good match but even more would be nice with 1000wpc not being out of the question.


Brian

Anything at 250wpc or so will be fine. Less than that doesn't justify the amp and more than that is more than you need for these speakers, though it's your money and your ears...

Jason

Thanks for your input folks. I have a feeling I am worring about nothing. Most of my listening is at casual levels. I'm leaning of eventually going with an AVR that has pre-outs and adding something along the lines of and Anthem MCA30 (should mate well in theory). But I will be without for a few months so I will take it easy.

I should place an order in a couple of weeks, and see how long it will take to get these in. Then I'll head on over to the "Amps" forum

Thanks for your input folks. I have a feeling I am worring about nothing. Most of my listening is at casual levels. I'm leaning of eventually going with an AVR that has pre-outs and adding something along the lines of and Anthem MCA30 (should mate well in theory). But I will be without for a few months so I will take it easy.

I should place an order in a couple of weeks, and see how long it will take to get these in. Then I'll head on over to the "Amps" forumMCA good choice. you may want to look into AVM50 for a pre pro.

I second the vote for the MCA series from Anthem...good quality amps, plenty of power, and reasonably priced.

Jason

This thread seems to have died down.

Is there a V5 owners thread anywhere on AVS? I did a quick google search, but I didn't see anything.

CM

Is there a need for a seperate thread for the owners of a new version? And I'm not asking rhetorically...

I'm all for abandoning the "Paradigm Owner's Thread?" as it has passed beyond 11,000 posts and there is no rhyme or reason to it at all (other than mildly chronological). The OP hasn't posted in 3 years to the day and there have never been FAQs or "reference posts" that could answer a lot of the commonly asked questions. A good owners thread should be started, but it would take some effort and a lot of organization...

BTW, I pick up my v5 100s this afternoon, so if there is a v5 thread I'll be sure to chime in! :D

Jason

I'm all for abandoning the "Paradigm Owner's Thread?" as it has passed beyond 11,000 posts and there is no rhyme or reason to it at all (other than mildly chronological). The OP hasn't posted in 3 years to the day and there have never been FAQs or "reference posts" that could answer a lot of the commonly asked questions. A good owners thread should be started, but it would take some effort and a lot of organization...

Jason

At this point, this thread is acting as an official owner's thread, or so it seems.

I really like the idea of making a new "reference" thread, with links to common questions in the top post. Here are some things I think it could use:

- a link to Paradigm's website
- MSRP's
- basic summary of Paradigm's lineup (i.e. Studio series is positioned above Monitor Series, Millenia series is thin "lifestyle" design, etc.)
- changes between different models (i.e. v4 to v5 Studios)
- speakers that compete price and performance-wise with the various Paradigm model lines (i.e. B&W 6xx/monitor Series, 7xx/Studios)
- links to this thread and the other "owners?" thread

We've seen a lot of the same questions getting asked repeatedly, because the info someone's looking for is buried in a huge thread, and they don't realize they can search for the info within a given thread *cough*MSRP*cough*. :)

I may be up for this task....I'll work on a thread tomorrow if nobody's started one by then...is anyone opposed to that? Also, what else needs to be included?

At this point, this thread is acting as an official owner's thread, or so it seems.

I really like the idea of making a new "reference" thread, with links to common questions in the top post (a link to Paradigm's website, MSRP's, changes from previous versions, speakers that compete with the Studio v5's, links to this thread and the other "owners?" thread, etc.). We've seen a lot of the same questions getting asked repeatedly, because the info someone's looking for is buried in a huge thread, and they don't realize they can search for the info within a given thread *cough*MSRP*cough*. :)

I may be up for this task....I'll work on a thread tomorrow if nobody's started one by then...is anyone opposed to that?

Good idea with a "Paradigm Reference" thread. Roll with it and I will be glad to join in .

+1 on that. I would like to see a FAQ sheet up front as well.

Mike

And whoever sets up the new thread should reserve the first 5 or so posts so that they can be used as reference posts (faq, msrp, versions, finishes, differences, internal/external links, photos, etc). If a new "master thread" is to be started, it should be done right.

Jason

And whoever sets up the new thread should reserve the first 5 or so posts so that they can be used as reference posts (faq, msrp, versions, finishes, differences, internal/external links, photos, etc). If a new "master thread" is to be started, it should be done right.

Jason

+1.....

And while your at it, make one for the Paradigm Studio's and a separate one for the Paradigm Signatures.... :)

+1.....

And while your at it, make one for the Paradigm Studio's and a separate one for the Paradigm Signatures.... :)

Isn't there already a Sig thread? Besides, we all know you don't like slummin' with us Studio folk...:D

Jason

Isn't there already a Sig thread? Besides, we all know you don't like slummin' with us Studio folk...:D

Jason


Hahahah Yeah, I guess I always seem to forget about that thread, it was dead before it started....

Maybe, the thread should be labeled Ref series - Studio and Signature.... :)

How are your new speakers buddy... I'm sure they are spectacular, gotta post up some pics my friend...

I had a major breakthrough today, I have been trying to figure out why my measurements of my subs looked so cr@ppy in the D2v measurements... I mean come on, 3x18 Mal-X's + a 15" TC3K, and I'm rolling off above 25hz.... with 16kw of amp power :confused::mad:

Turns out my TC3K was hooked up backwards and out of phase 180. :( reversed polarity and got it fixed - WHOA :D Rumble Zone !!!

I be a happy camper...

Hahahah Yeah, I guess I always seem to forget about that thread, it was dead before it started....
Hmmmm.....;)

Maybe, the thread should be labeled Ref series - Studio and Signature.... :)
And what...leave out the Millenia folks? Nah...(even though I'd like to!)

How are your new speakers buddy... I'm sure they are spectacular, gotta post up some pics my friend...
Just dragged one in (heavy!) and unpacked it next to my Dali. Damn...it's a mighty fine speaker! :) A piece of beauty and built like a tank. Unfortunately, the fam's snoozin' so listening's going to have to wait until dawn...

I had a major breakthrough today, I have been trying to figure out why my measurements of my subs looked so cr@ppy in the D2v measurements... I mean come on, 3x18 Mal-X's + a 15" TC3K, and I'm rolling off above 25hz.... with 16kw of amp power :confused::mad:

Turns out my TC3K was hooked up backwards and out of phase 180. :( reversed polarity and got it fixed - WHOA :D Rumble Zone !!!
Glad you got it figured out! I've been so remiss in the DIY sub department it's criminal, but I figure I have a handful of go-to excuses to fall back on...:)

I'll get some pics of the sub(s) up soon...Studio 100's sooner!

Jason

I wanted to get a new set of Studios. I am almost sold on getting a set of Studio 60s and the only thing holding me back is I have to sell my current fronts first. Now I won't mind running phantom center for a while but I have a chance to pick up a CC590 v5. The question I have about this is, the cc-590 has more bass drivers than a Studio 20. I thought about just using a Studio 20 as my center instead and I read that most people say it provides a better sound than the horizontal center. I was just afraid that a single Studio 20 won't be able to provide as much detail as the CC590. Any thoughts?

I'd opt for the 590 or even the 690 if you're going with the 60s. They'll be a better match across the front with the 60's than a single 20. If you were doing 20's across the front (which would be a nice setup with a good sub or two), a single 20 for the CC would be ideal. Otherwise I'd try to keep it as closely voiced as you can get without turning a Studio 60 on its side, which would essentially be a 690.

J.

I had a major breakthrough today, I have been trying to figure out why my measurements of my subs looked so cr@ppy in the D2v measurements... I mean come on, 3x18 Mal-X's + a 15" TC3K, and I'm rolling off above 25hz.... with 16kw of amp power :confused::mad:

Turns out my TC3K was hooked up backwards and out of phase 180. :( reversed polarity and got it fixed - WHOA :D Rumble Zone !!!

I be a happy camper...

I love ARC... you're one of many people who have found speaker problems of some sort that they didn't even know they had, but were thrilled once fixed!

If you had Audyssey Pro, you'd have to pay $200 each time you wanted someone to measure it, or get some gray market nonsense. Or, you'd be stuck with the built-in Audyssey MutiEQ XT, and never see (or fix) a thing.

ARC rocks.

I love ARC... you're one of many people who have found speaker problems of some sort that they didn't even know they had, but were thrilled once fixed!

If you had Audyssey Pro, you'd have to pay $200 each time you wanted someone to measure it, or get some gray market nonsense. Or, you'd be stuck with the built-in Audyssey MutiEQ XT, and never see (or fix) a thing.

ARC rocks.


Agreed.... the only reason I ended up with a problem, is that I switched out my TC2000 for a TC3000 and the coils were opposite, I would have found it without ARC when I did measurements with the SMS-1, but you are certainly right - it is another great product that will help one pinpoint problem areas.... and the best thing is you can run it as many times as you want....

One could always use REW to help find problems, but it doesn't fix them with the processing power of ARC, and Behringer EQ's don't really work all the speakers at the same time like the D2v can

I am trying to build a home theater in my basement. Most of my equipment has been purchased, but i am waffling on the speakers. The room is 12 x 21, but opens up on the right side to where a wine storage/entertaining room will be. My current equipment that will not be substituted is:

Pioneer Pro 151 fd
Anthem AVM 50v processor
Nad M25 amp
Denon 3800 BDCI
Sunfire TSEQ 12 subwoofer

I bought the new M&K sound MP-150's (3) and SS 150 surrounds for the room. I have 2 small children, and will have a 3 rd in the not to distant future so I thought a wall mounted speaker will be nice. But after listening to the Studio 60's I think that this is a bad move, and I am not as concerned about this damage anymore.

I am probably going to purchase the Paradigm Studio 100's and the 690 center and the Esprit's for the rear's. I currently own the older reference CC and 2 Studio 20's v.2 that i have loved for years

I have a few questions:

1. Would it be bad to mount the adp 590 surrounds on the Ceiling as my Surround R and L for 7.1? I can mount one on the wall left of the listening area, but the room opens up 15 feet to the right, so i have no options other than on the ceiling for the right surround. I think placing them directly above the listening area should be ok, but is this wrong?

2. The Nad M25 amp will not be too powerful for the surrounds will it. Its a beast and the power handling of the surrounds looked a little low on the web.

Thanks for your help, great thread.

I am trying to build a home theater in my basement. Most of my equipment has been purchased, but i am waffling on the speakers. The room is 12 x 21, but opens up on the right side to where a wine storage/entertaining room will be. My current equipment that will not be substituted is:

Pioneer Pro 151 fd
Anthem AVM 50v processor
Nad M25 amp
Denon 3800 BDCI
Sunfire TSEQ 12 subwoofer

I bought the new M&K sound MP-150's (3) and SS 150 surrounds for the room. I have 2 small children, and will have a 3 rd in the not to distant future so I thought a wall mounted speaker will be nice. But after listening to the Studio 60's I think that this is a bad move.

I am probably going to purchase the Paradigm Studio 100's and the 690 center and the Esprit's for the rear's. I currently own the older reference CC and 2 Studio 20's v.2 that i have loved for years

I have a few questions:

1. Would it be bad to mount the adp 590 surrounds into the Ceiling as my Surround R and L for 7.1? I can mount one on the left of the listening area, but the room opens up 15 feet to the right, so i have no options other than the ceiling for the right surround. I think placing them directly above the listening area should be ok, but is this wrong?

2. The Nad M25 amp will not be too powerful for the surrounds will it. Its a beast and the power handling of the surrounds looked a little low on the web.

Thanks for your help, great thread.

1) I would avoid putting the side surrounds in the ceiling if at all possible. I think the compromise is too great compaired to putting them on the wall. I would try to fashion some sort of ceiling mount to hang the speaker from personally, something similiar to a projector mount if nothing else. But if you do have to install in-ceiling speakers, I would not mount them directly above any seat in the listening area. They become too directional (distractingly). I would install them at least a few feet to each side of the widest seat.

Also, I would not install the ADP-590's "in" the ceiling, since the side tweeters and midranges would be covered. "On" the ceiling, surface mounted, would be the way to do it, but at that point you might as well mount them in the correct orientation since there is only a 2" difference in the height and depth. For actual in-ceilings, I would recommend the SA-15R-SM's.

2) You should not have a problem with the NAD amp at all. As can be found many places on this forum, it's always better to have too much amplifier power than too little. And the ARC in the AVM-50v will set the speaker levels properly.

As an aside, I would consider the in-wall SA-LCR 3 with back-box for your front channels since you are concerned about safety / damage with small children around. It is in essence a Studio Esprit that mounts in the wall. If you can get the back boxes installed, which are required, they really are great. Or, you can also wall mount the Studio Esprit's to the wall as well.

Brian

Thanks for your advice Brian. I should have phrased them as On-wall mount, not "in-wall" or "on ceiling" not "in ceiling". The basement is totally unfinished and i have the convenience of being able to customize this space 100%. Knowing that, would you still avoid installing them above the listening area? or still try to figure out a way to get them mounted on the side of the listening area somehow?

Hey Jason,

Did you go with the rosenut 100v5's? What amp and wires are you running to them so far? I got mine in a week ago and have been loving just looking at, but now that the contractor finished up my downstairs wiring I have to seriously look at powering these babies sufficiently. I am leaning towards a NAD 175 and amp or a Pioneer SC-07 and adding a Rotel or NAD amp later. Any suggestions?

-Sonny

Thanks for your advice Brian. I should have phrased them as On-wall mount, not "in-wall" or "on ceiling" not "in ceiling". The basement is totally unfinished and i have the convenience of being able to customize this space 100%. Knowing that, would you still avoid installing them above the listening area? or still try to figure out a way to get them mounted on the side of the listening area somehow?

Regardless of if they are in ceiling or on ceiling, I would still not install them directly above any seat. I would give them at least 2-3 feet wider on each side. This holds true for side wall mounted surrounds with not mounting them at ear level. Things would be different if multichannel audio were a primary concern where instruments were placed in the surround channels (instead of being used for crowd/ambience).

Given the open area to the right of the listening area, there probably isn't an elegant way of mounting a traditional surround speaker in its normal orientation. I guess there isn't a support column in a convenient location that could be used for mounting? The key for me is that they be as non-localizable as possible.

I've never installed a normal (enclosed) surround speaker to the ceiling, but I suppose it would probably sound as good if not better than an in-ceiling speaker in the same location. It just might look a little odd.

Hey Jason,

Did you go with the rosenut 100v5's? What amp and wires are you running to them so far? I got mine in a week ago and have been loving just looking at, but now that the contractor finished up my downstairs wiring I have to seriously look at powering these babies sufficiently. I am leaning towards a NAD 175 and amp or a Pioneer SC-07 and adding a Rotel or NAD amp later. Any suggestions?

-Sonny

I have and NAD M25 and it is awesome. I highly suggest one if it is in your budget, some can be had on popular sites for used equipment at attractive prices. It is a beast at 96 pounds and deep, so make sure your stand can support it, but price/performance is one of the best i heard.

Hey Jason,

I am leaning towards a NAD 175
-Sonny
sorry to hear that. you seriously need to chime in on the 175 thread

sorry to hear that. you seriously need to chime in on the 175 thread

I agree I chose an Anthem, you should consider the same. or an Arcam

I listened to Studio 20 v.5 and Studio 60 v.4 last night, liked the v.5 quite a bit more

You could actually hear a difference between versions?? Though, you didn't hear the same model (e.g. 2 60's).

I did hear the v.5 60 and 100. Both very nice. The 60 was very clear and dynamic. Just lacked the "body" you heard when listening to the 100. For obvious reasons.

I'm going to be receiving delivery of a pair of v.5 100's, a CC690 and a pair of 20's next week. Should be awesome. When I heard the 60 it was with a CC590 center and two 10's. Very nice. I suppose it would come down to room size and the WAF. As my system speakers are a bit larger.

The difference between the two was in the higher frequencies. The tweeter of the 20 was much more pleasant to my ears. Obviously the 20 was missing some on the lower frequencies, but in terms of sound quality, I would rather buy the 20's with my sub than the 60's with my sub. The 20 seemed more natural and effortless than the v.4 60's to me. I only listened in stereo, did not do any comparisons with a Center Channel. On Saturday I will be listening to the studio 60 and 100 v.'5's and I want to hear the S-6 as well if they have it.

Hey Jason,

Did you go with the rosenut 100v5's? What amp and wires are you running to them so far? I got mine in a week ago and have been loving just looking at, but now that the contractor finished up my downstairs wiring I have to seriously look at powering these babies sufficiently. I am leaning towards a NAD 175 and amp or a Pioneer SC-07 and adding a Rotel or NAD amp later. Any suggestions?

-Sonny

Yes, I got the 100s and the 690 in Rosenut. I still have my v3 ADP's, but I'll get around to upgrading those at some point. I have the 100s powered with an Anthem MCA-20, which I really like, but I'm considering a Parasound Halo A21 (which I have upstairs with my Dali Euphonias) at some point. The Anthem is very capable and runs cool and provides plenty of power, but the Halo is a beast of an amp and I may end up moving my amp for the 100s out of my AV rack and placing it between the 100s under my 690 if I can figure out a stand design that incorporates the Halo gracefully and tastefully...

I'm using PS Audio Xstream cables, which are very nice, but I'm going to have to swap them out because they're not quite long enough with my 108" screen. I use Tara Labs bi-wires for my Dali rig and like those, too, though I'm no speaker cable expert. They look good, are very well made, and not too crazy expensive...good enough for me. I'll either poke around for longer cables or go the DIY route with some Canare 4s11. Regarding AVR's, I've always liked Denon and Pioneer and have owned several models of each. The Denons are a bit trickier to use (and the manuals aren't very good) though I haven't checked out Pioneer's latest offerings other than the specs. The SC07 looks quite good on paper, but I'd also suggest looking at Denon's comparable AVR's.

Let us know what you do!

J.

My vote would be for the A51 if you can swing it...:D

J.

Jason,

Funny you should mention your choices. I ordered the Reference Studio 100, CC690 and a pair of 20' for surrounds. And a Pioneer Elite SC07. Which has a good amp section and Wolfson DACS. At 140x7 I think it should be sufficient though maybe not "the best" setup. As I have read that 100's (and likely the CC690) are happier with more wattage. Will have to see after I've had some time with the system. Played several CD's, DVD's and BD's.

And at the SC07's price point we could later add an amp. I'm thinking of the Bryston 6B-SST-squared. 300x3 clean watts. And then some probably as Bryston's numbers are usually conservative. That or a 250x5 Parasound.

Hmmm....250watts for each of the 20's? :) I have heard NAD's too. Nice amps. But I think they max out at 160x7. Not that much more than the SC07. Even if it might have internals.

Will receive my gear next week.

I have an NAD M25 and it sounds great. The high quality/price ratio of this amp may be overshadowed by the problems of their recent home theater offerings and the fact that it does not have balanced audio prevents some from considering it. It is rated at 7x160 continuous and can get much bigger whereas the Pioneer is rated at 140 but probably puts out 2/3 of that continuous at best in my opinion. The sound from the M25 was phenomenal and is worth a look. Of course if you are deciding between a Bryston/Parasound/NAD/Anthem, you can't go wrong.

I've never experienced anything like that with my Anthem MCA-20 and either pair of Studio 100s, and I've played them plenty loud. That being said, I'd still prefer another Parasound. Check Audiogon if you don't mind gently used...there are two of them listed right now.

J.

I've never experienced anything like that with my Anthem MCA-20 and either pair of Studio 100s, and I've played them plenty loud. That being said, I'd still prefer another Parasound. Check Audiogon if you don't mind gently used...there are two of them listed right now.

J.

I really like having matched components, which is the only reason I am hesitant to drop cash on a SC-07 as a pre for now to upgrade to a matching Anthem or Parasound later. I can always move that to the Mythos system later, but then I would have a Denon 2808 going to waste. I loved the Paradigm NAD combo that got me hooked on this project, but the NAD pre's and AVRs seem to lack a lot of the features for the money and seem problematic. There are some nice Rotel amps on Audiogon right now, and I did like the Rotel B&W sound, however I have heard that despite similiar sounds to the Paradigms, Rotel doesn't always mate up to the Paradigms quite as well. So it is either all out on Anthem gear or Parasound at this point, unless someone has experience with Rotel stuff. My budget is tentatively about 3.5-4K with some demo or open boxed deals.

I ran my Rotel 1095 with my Studio's for over 2 years, and I can easily state that it was a fine match..... SQ was top notch, but I was looking for a 7 channel amp so I could add in rear speakers when my D2v came in... A slightly used Wyred4Sound IcePower amp fell in my lap and I sold off my Rotel to another Studio owner, he loves that amp as much as I did. I do get much more headroom with the Wyred amp, and the Class D runs cool in my console, unlike the Rotel Class A/B - it got pretty warm in there...

I was heavily considering the 1095, seen a few as low as $1000, but the cooling factor did pop into my mind. I was looking at the Wyred 4 Sound amps, seems like they have received glowing reviews so far. Any Rotel processors with HDMI you would recommend? The Pioneer SC-09 also looks like a simpler path to 80% of the performance of seperates, runs cool, and I could easily live with all Elite gear in my system. :)

I have only been able to demo the SC-07, NAD M25, and Rotel 1095 in person so far. I would say that my preference went NAD, Pioneer, and Rotel. To be fair, the Rotel was a quick demo on a lower line of B&W in a less than ideal room where as the NAD ran the 100's along with the rest of the Masters components. The Pioneer really impressed me for HT, but the typical Dave Matthews music demo, while very full and crisp, it did lack some of the warmth of the Rotel and a lot of that 3D warmth of the NAD. Unfortunately, I am not sure I am willing to risk the 175 M25 combo.

It is tempting to just run out and order an external amp to go with my Pioneer Elite SC07. But as I said. It's too early in the game. I haven't even got my SC07 yet. :)

But for now the amps I mentioned are the ones I would likely be considering.

NAD. Heard them. Sound good. But they don't make 3-channel amps nor 5-channel 160 watt amps. Love to see them put out a 3-channel or 5 channel 250-300 wpc amp. Then I would seriously consider them when I do decide to add an amp.

Anthem MCA30? Perhaps. Price is good. And Jason has tried the MCA20 with a pair of 100's. No power loss when driven hard. Ok. I was just echoing what I read in a review. I've always liked Anthem amps.

Any other recommendations? Preferably for a 3-channel amp (3 front channels).

Sounds like we might have very similiar systems. lol I was considering the SC-07 and adding an external amp later as well, not sure if a dedicated pre/pro with balanced outputs would be worth the additional cash or if the SC-07 with a nice three channel would be worth it as opposed to the SC-09, which would put out about the same power in one nice and clean unit, but the ICE amps are not as musical from what I understand. Maybe I will let you go first. :p

Just cruising audiogon, 3 cc-690 v5's for sale... unless size is an issue, not sure how anyone could not like that center for movies.

Please post some pics if you have time. Thanks.

Regards,

Dark7Pt1 -Post some pics when you have some. I went through this exercise this past February and ended up picking up a pair of v4 Studio 40's and a 590. I chose a Yamaha rxv 3900 but did consider the Pioneer and SC05/07 as well as some NAD T765/775 receivers. I too have young children including a 15 month old boy so the 40's were a good choice for me because I can mount them on either side of my plasma with the 590 under the TV. In the rear I have an old pair of Atoms on stands. So far the kids have been great - not even a close call. Now they're so used to the equipment they don't give it a second look.

For that matter, anyone who owns the Studio 60 v5, please post some pics too. I'm seriously thinking about going for them and would like to see a couple pics in the different finishes if possible.

Regards,

There are quite a few pics in this thread including my 60's and 690 in Rosenut

Cool, I'll check it out. Thanks.

Regards,

Those speakers look amazing!! Enjoy.

Ok guys. Here are a few photos. Just the 60" KURO Elite Signature and speakers in their positions. No cabling yet. Working on that. Was pricing some out today. HUGE range. :) And I put the Elite SC07 into the rack after I took these photos. Also bought my BD player today. So maybe I'll post more photos later.

Borrowing a phrase from Paris Hilton, that's hawt :D

I need to wall mount my 135lb Panny so I can put the 690 on top of my TV stand... just so hard to find reputable installers these day. For the time being, a few db bumps for the center compensates for the poor placement.

Why not just pick up a good mount and DIY for the win? The mounts are very easy to install and should be no more than a 90 minute project for two guys.

J.

Hey guys, I'm thinking of trading in my monitor 11 v5 and 390 in for studio 20s and 490 center. I have a capable pw 2200 sub to cross over. any opinions on the 490 since i havce never heard it and i would be ordering it?

Hey guys, I'm thinking of trading in my monitor 11 v5 and 390 in for studio 20s and 490 center. I have a capable pw 2200 sub to cross over. any opinions on the 490 since i havce never heard it and i would be ordering it?

Are you getting any cash back on your trade in or is it just a flat upgrade where you're covering the full price?
If so I'd suggest looking for a 590 on Audiogon since you can probably get one there for the price of a new 490. The 490 sounded light to me compared to the 590. If you need it for space reasons thats understandable. I had to do the 590 instead of the 690 for space reasons.

Are you getting any cash back on your trade in or is it just a flat upgrade where you're covering the full price?
If so I'd suggest looking for a 590 on Audiogon since you can probably get one there for the price of a new 490. The 490 sounded light to me compared to the 590. If you need it for space reasons thats understandable. I had to do the 590 instead of the 690 for space reasons.

Just getting all my money back, the studio 20s at the local paradigm dealer are v4 at a very good price and it would be nice to match it with a 590 v4. if i cant find a v4 590 from audiogon, would a 490 or 590 v5 match the 20s?? they are basically the same speakers right?

I have been following this discussion for a while now and just decided to upgrade to the Studio 20s from my old Monitor 7 v.4.

What would be a fair price for the Studio 20s in todays market? I am looking at the Cherry or Rosewood finish. I will also be getting the J-29 stands to go with them.

I am not looking to get the rock-bottom price - I just need to know that I am not overpaying. Any guidance would be appreciated.

Msrp is $1198, so a good price would be 20% off or roughly $960.

J.

Msrp is $1198, so a good price would be 20% off or roughly $960.

J.

Thanks Jason. Appreciate the quick response.

Has anyone wall mounted the Studio 10s? And if they have what kind of bracket was used if any?

Well, I finally got a chance to listen to the S6/C3 combo last night and all I can say is wow! The S6 sounded so smooth and effortless that after about 5 minutes into the audition I knew that these were the speakers I would be buying. They sounded so much better than the Stuidio 100's, I really can't say enough about the difference. One thing I did notice is that they are a little brighter than I had expected, and the salesperson explained that part of that is due to the fact that they only had about 2.5 hours of listening on them, and that the Anthem amp he was powering them with is typically a little brighter than my NAD M25 amp I will be using. Female Vocals Rocked, Imaging and Channel Separation was great, bass was much better than expected, we had the crossover set at 35 Hz. Then we tried to play movies so I could audition the C3 Center. After about 10 minutes we realized there was a bad cable from the BluRay player and the audio/video dropouts were too distracting. The C3 was plenty big for my setup and room, its plays a lot bigger than its smaller box would indicate. One only needs a C5 if you are buying S8's because they are so physically big that would simply look ridiculous next to the S6 in a HT setup.

These speakers were very smooth, effortless and just reproduced the sound superbly in comparison to the other speakers I auditioned (Studio 100, Revel F32, Kef XQ40)

Well, I finally got a chance to listen to the S6/C3 combo last night and all I can say is wow! The S6 sounded so smooth and effortless that after about 5 minutes into the audition I knew that these were the speakers I would be buying. They sounded so much better than the Stuidio 100's, I really can't say enough about the difference. One thing I did notice is that they are a little brighter than I had expected, and the salesperson explained that part of that is due to the fact that they only had about 2.5 hours of listening on them, and that the Anthem amp he was powering them with is typically a little brighter than my NAD M25 amp I will be using. Female Vocals Rocked, Imaging and Channel Separation was great, bass was much better than expected, we had the crossover set at 35 Hz. Then we tried to play movies so I could audition the C3 Center. After about 10 minutes we realized there was a bad cable from the BluRay player and the audio/video dropouts were too distracting. The C3 was plenty big for my setup and room, its plays a lot bigger than its smaller box would indicate. One only needs a C5 if you are buying S8's because they are so physically big that would simply look ridiculous next to the S6 in a HT setup.

These speakers were very smooth, effortless and just reproduced the sound superbly in comparison to the other speakers I auditioned (Studio 100, Revel F32, Kef XQ40)

Welcome to the club! I agree, the sigs are amazing...

I would disagree that the C5 is too big for S6's. The S6's are almost the same size tower as the S8, just not as deep and very slightly shorter. The C5 looks great with them.

And if you do a lot of HT, the C5 might be worth it for you as so much of the sound comes from the center.

I have a C5 + S6 (+ADP3+S2) setup, and the C5 is awesome.

Hi,

I've got a setup of Studio 60 Fronts, the CC-590 Center, and an UltraCube 10" sub. Right now, I've got 2x Studio 20s for the surrounds which are placed roughly 5.5' away and just slightly (maybe 1') behind listening position. Fronts are 8-9' feet away. All currnetly driven by a Yamaha V663, though I plan to grab a Emotiva XPA-3 for the fronts + center soon. HT area is roughly 11'x11' with an adjoining hallway and very high (20') ceilings and loft area above.

I'm contemplating moving to a ADP-590s for the surrounds, since I find my surrounds too directional -- I can localize the sound unless my head is in EXACTLY the right position.

Questions for you:
(a) My other speakers are v4s. I'm assuming v5 ADP-590s will work fine with the system?
(b) Any opinions on ADPs vs. Studio 20s for the surrounds? I primarily watch movies, and when I listen to music, its primarily 2-channel.
(c) Anyone interested in a one-year old set of Studio 20s in mint condition? Message me.

Thanks,
Paul

Has anyone wall mounted studio 10s? I thought about getting a set for my fronts because I know my SVS SBS-01s won't match my cc690 v5. I know that I need bigger fronts but for now I can't afford to get the studio 60s yet. I plan on moving the 10s to the rear in the future when I can get the 60s.

Ya know, I've been all through this thread and the Official Paradigm thread and find it odd that there's not more talk about the differences between v4 and v5. The size and appearance has been discussed, but not so much the difference in sound (if there is any). Seems to me a big change in size and depth would be discussed more. I'd like to know if anyone has compared the two and seen any difference or improvement in sound. I've just released my studio 40's v3 and am planning to purchase 60's v5, but I've heard just a couple people favor the v4 60's over the v5.

Ya know, I've been all through this thread and the Official Paradigm thread and find it odd that there's not more talk about the differences between v4 and v5. The size and appearance has been discussed, but not so much the difference in sound (if there is any). Seems to me a big change in size and depth would be discussed more. I'd like to know if anyone has compared the two and seen any difference or improvement in sound. I've just released my studio 40's v3 and am planning to purchase 60's v5, but I've heard just a couple people favor the v4 60's over the v5.

It's completely subjective unless your one of those people who are easily swayed by the opinions of others. All I can say is I listened to DynaAudio, B&W, PSB, Def Tech, etc and all things considered, budget, looks, WAF etc, we chose the v5 Paradigms, for us, this was the best decision. Most dealers still have the v4's and v5's, go take a listen.

Hi,

I've got a setup of Studio 60 Fronts, the CC-590 Center, and an UltraCube 10" sub. Right now, I've got 2x Studio 20s for the surrounds which are placed roughly 5.5' away and just slightly (maybe 1') behind listening position. Fronts are 8-9' feet away. All currnetly driven by a Yamaha V663, though I plan to grab a Emotiva XPA-3 for the fronts + center soon. HT area is roughly 11'x11' with an adjoining hallway and very high (20') ceilings and loft area above.

I'm contemplating moving to a ADP-590s for the surrounds, since I find my surrounds too directional -- I can localize the sound unless my head is in EXACTLY the right position.

Questions for you:
(a) My other speakers are v4s. I'm assuming v5 ADP-590s will work fine with the system?
(b) Any opinions on ADPs vs. Studio 20s for the surrounds? I primarily watch movies, and when I listen to music, its primarily 2-channel.
(c) Anyone interested in a one-year old set of Studio 20s in mint condition? Message me.

Thanks,
Paul

The ADP-590v5 will work fine, in fact there wasn't even a change from v4 to v5 on that model. You state the room is roughly 11' x 11' and the 20's are about 5.5' away. You really need walls/corners for the ADP surrounds to reflect off of and do their thing. If you have them then I'd favor the ADP over the 20's. Keep in mind you will still get some direct sound from 1 side of the ADP but the reflected sound from the other side off the nearby wall/corner should reduce that "directness". Also if possible move the listening position off the back wall, even a change of a foot at such a close in listening environment can be very beneficial.

Welcome to the club! I agree, the sigs are amazing...

I would disagree that the C5 is too big for S6's. The S6's are almost the same size tower as the S8, just not as deep and very slightly shorter. The C5 looks great with them.

And if you do a lot of HT, the C5 might be worth it for you as so much of the sound comes from the center.

I have a C5 + S6 (+ADP3+S2) setup, and the C5 is awesome.

My room is only 11 feet wide, so that would be a monster in a smaller space. The listening room where i auditioned them was much bigger than my room will be and the C3 sounded fine and filled the space nicely. Aesthetics are important too for a smaller space.

If only I had a larger room . . .

Ya know, I've been all through this thread and the Official Paradigm thread and find it odd that there's not more talk about the differences between v4 and v5. The size and appearance has been discussed, but not so much the difference in sound (if there is any). Seems to me a big change in size and depth would be discussed more. I'd like to know if anyone has compared the two and seen any difference or improvement in sound. I've just released my studio 40's v3 and am planning to purchase 60's v5, but I've heard just a couple people favor the v4 60's over the v5.

I wrote about this somewhere, and was not a fan of the v.4's at all in comparison to the v.5's just seemed like they were trying too hard. I did a side by side of studio 20 v.5 and studio 60 v.4 and preferred the v.5 by a great margin. It was clearer, cleaner, and smoother. You should also try the S1 and S2, if its in your budget in my opinion.

Ya know, I've been all through this thread and the Official Paradigm thread and find it odd that there's not more talk about the differences between v4 and v5. The size and appearance has been discussed, but not so much the difference in sound (if there is any). Seems to me a big change in size and depth would be discussed more. I'd like to know if anyone has compared the two and seen any difference or improvement in sound. I've just released my studio 40's v3 and am planning to purchase 60's v5, but I've heard just a couple people favor the v4 60's over the v5.

I wrote about this somewhere, and was not a fan of the v.4's at all in comparison to the v.5's just seemed like they were trying too hard. I did a side by side of studio 20 v.5 and studio 60 v.4 and preferred the v.5 by a great margin. It was clearer, cleaner, and smoother. You should also try the S1 and S2, if its in your budget in my opinion.

I was just going to reply to davisfox but scrolled down a bit and saw the reply by vengazor and I have to say that his sentiments echoed mine to a tee. When I was shopping, I stopped by a dealer who had a pair of v.4 100's and auditioned them for over and hour and liked what I heard. A week later he got his v.5 100's in and when I went to audition, he still had the v.4's set up. We set up the v.5's and did some comparisons and it quickly became apparent that the v.5's were, IN MY OPINION, "clearer, cleaner and smoother", out of the box! Let me be clear, it wasn't a massive difference but certainly enough and coupled with the new cosmetics it was a no brainer for me...v.5's it was and couldn't be happier. As usual, YMMV!

Cheers!

My room is only 11 feet wide, so that would be a monster in a smaller space. The listening room where i auditioned them was much bigger than my room will be and the C3 sounded fine and filled the space nicely. Aesthetics are important too for a smaller space.

If only I had a larger room . . .

11-feet is more than wide enough for 2xS6+C5! Get your priorities in line! :D

Hello,

I am new and I read most of this thread and wow! :)

I have a dilemma choosing my first setup and I did some homework. Researched a lot, read a lot of reviews and listened to some speakers in speaker shops. I narrowed my receiver choice to Denon AVR-1910 and Marantz SR-5004 which Marantz is the winner.

However, I could not decide which speaker to get. I am going to build this system VERY slowly (over the next 3 years) and I am just going to get two fronts and bi-amp them for music and blu-ray movies for now.

The problem with speakers came along when I auditioned Paradigm Monitor 7’s v6 vs. 9’s v6 vs. Studio 60’s v4. I immediately notice how big deal was the Studio series and gently asked the dealer to show me the cheapest Studio speaker which was the new comer Studio 10. Studio 10s sounded more detailed compared to Monitor 7s but had less bass compared to Studio 60’s v4.

So, I thought if I listen to Studio 60’s v5 I never want to get the Studio 10s because the 60’s v4 sounded amazing. Well, I was wrong. The studio 60’s v5 did not sound as good as 10s or their older brothers v4! They were boomy and the instruments were not playing as vividly as the 10s! I asked if I can listen to Studio 20 v5 to see if there is any difference and they sounded a bit better with more bass compared to 10s but much better than 60s. I could easily hear different instruments with 20s which were lost in 60s.

So my questions are,

1- Is it a crime to love the sound of Studio 10 more than Monitor 7 v6?

2- The rule of thumb in speaker selection is, the bigger the price, the better the speaker, right? So is it something wrong with the pair of 60s I listened to? They should sound much better than 20s and 10s right?

3- For start, which pair is better to go with Marantz SR-5004? Including 60s because I am thinking maybe there is something wrong with the pair I listened to.

Thanks for any help.

Hello,

I am new and I read most of this thread and wow! :)

I have a dilemma choosing my first setup and I did some homework. Researched a lot, read a lot of reviews and listened to some speakers in speaker shops. I narrowed my receiver choice to Denon AVR-1910 and Marantz SR-5004 which Marantz is the winner.

However, I could not decide which speaker to get. I am going to build this system VERY slowly (over the next 3 years) and I am just going to get two fronts and bi-amp them for music and blu-ray movies for now.

The problem with speakers came along when I auditioned Paradigm Monitor 7’s v6 vs. 9’s v6 vs. Studio 60’s v4. I immediately notice how big deal was the Studio series and gently asked the dealer to show me the cheapest Studio speaker which was the new comer Studio 10. Studio 10s sounded more detailed compared to Monitor 7s but had less bass compared to Studio 60’s v4.

So, I thought if I listen to Studio 60’s v5 I never want to get the Studio 10s because the 60’s v4 sounded amazing. Well, I was wrong. The studio 60’s v5 did not sound as good as 10s or their older brothers v4! They were boomy and the instruments were not playing as vividly as the 10s! I asked if I can listen to Studio 20 v5 to see if there is any difference and they sounded a bit better with more bass compared to 10s but much better than 60s. I could easily hear different instruments with 20s which were lost in 60s.

So my questions are,

1- Is it a crime to love the sound of Studio 10 more than Monitor 7 v6?

2- The rule of thumb in speaker selection is, the bigger the price, the better the speaker, right? So is it something wrong with the pair of 60s I listened to? They should sound much better than 20s and 10s right?

3- For start, which pair is better to go with Marantz SR-5004? Including 60s because I am thinking maybe there is something wrong with the pair I listened to.

Thanks for any help.

It is always possible that the pair you heard was defective but it is far more likely that the 60s were set up wrong and what you were hearing is poor room acoustics in the low bass. Those modes were simply not excited by the smaller speakers. I suggest you either find another/better place for your auditions or get the salesman to consider moving them around or into another room.

It is always possible that the pair you heard was defective but it is far more likely that the 60s were set up wrong and what you were hearing is poor room acoustics in the low bass. Those modes were simply not excited by the smaller speakers. I suggest you either find another/better place for your auditions or get the salesman to consider moving them around or into another room.

Thank you so much Kal.

You may be right because the Monitor 7s, 9s and Studio 60's v4 were in a smaller room while all the new Studio V5 lined up in a bigger room with lots of furniture and decoratives.

Other than that, in the Studio series room, the Marantz CD player was connected to a weird looking amplifier with some kind of lamps on top. I guess when you use a Marantz Receiver you have more option to set the frequencies of the speakers and etc. Besides, they only used a pair of wire for each speaker not two pair (bi-amp).

So basically, from your post, I get that Studio 60s always should sound better than 20s and 10s. It is a relief because I really like the looks of the 60s and I do not like the idea of paying more for the stands. :)

I am going to check the dealer again on Saturday to see if I can listen to the speakers in a different room.

Thanks again.

Thank you so much Kal.

You may be right because the Monitor 7s, 9s and Studio 60's v4 were in a smaller room while all the new Studio V5 lined up in a bigger room with lots of furniture and decoratives.

Other than that, in the Studio series room, the Marantz CD player was connected to a weird looking amplifier with some kind of lamps on top. I guess when you use a Marantz Receiver you have more option to set the frequencies of the speakers and etc. Besides, they only used a pair of wire for each speaker not two pair (bi-amp).

So basically, from your post, I get that Studio 60s always should sound better than 20s and 10s. It is a relief because I really like the looks of the 60s and I do not like the idea of paying more for the stands. :)

I am going to check the dealer again on Saturday to see if I can listen to the speakers in a different room.

Thanks again.

Passive Bi-amping and bi-wiring is meaningless and will do nothing to the sound.

Thank you so much Kal.

You may be right because the Monitor 7s, 9s and Studio 60's v4 were in a smaller room while all the new Studio V5 lined up in a bigger room with lots of furniture and decoratives.

Other than that, in the Studio series room, the Marantz CD player was connected to a weird looking amplifier with some kind of lamps on top. I guess when you use a Marantz Receiver you have more option to set the frequencies of the speakers and etc. Besides, they only used a pair of wire for each speaker not two pair (bi-amp).

So basically, from your post, I get that Studio 60s always should sound better than 20s and 10s. It is a relief because I really like the looks of the 60s and I do not like the idea of paying more for the stands. :)

I am going to check the dealer again on Saturday to see if I can listen to the speakers in a different room.

Thanks again.

The studio 60's are easy enough to move into the other room for an ideal A/B comparison side by side. I did the test between v.5 and v4 before buying my speakers and i thought the v5's sounded much better than the v.4's. but they're your ears and budget so make the call on whats most pleasing to you.

Also, i don't understand why you are so hung up on bi-amping. One good amp is all you need, these speakers can handle a LOT of power, but will also be more fine with ~100 watts

Thank you so much Kal.

You may be right because the Monitor 7s, 9s and Studio 60's v4 were in a smaller room while all the new Studio V5 lined up in a bigger room with lots of furniture and decoratives.Jeez. They should, at least, have been in the same room for a comparison. Otherwise, you are just hearing the room.

Other than that, in the Studio series room, the Marantz CD player was connected to a weird looking amplifier with some kind of lamps on top. I guess when you use a Marantz Receiver you have more option to set the frequencies of the speakers and etc. Besides, they only used a pair of wire for each speaker not two pair (bi-amp).Irrelevant.

So basically, from your post, I get that Studio 60s always should sound better than 20s and 10s. It is a relief because I really like the looks of the 60s and I do not like the idea of paying more for the stands. :)Not always but usually.

Passive Bi-amping and bi-wiring is meaningless and will do nothing to the sound.

Also, i don't understand why you are so hung up on bi-amping. One good amp is all you need, these speakers can handle a LOT of power, but will also be more fine with ~100 watts

Sorry I mentioned I am new. I thought if you separate Bass from other channels when your amp is 90w/ch it is going to be 180w for each speakers using bi-amp wirings.

The studio 60's are easy enough to move into the other room for an ideal A/B comparison side by side. I did the test between v.5 and v4 before buying my speakers and i thought the v5's sounded much better than the v.4's. but they're your ears and budget so make the call on whats most pleasing to you.

Jeez. They should, at least, have been in the same room for a comparison. Otherwise, you are just hearing the room.


If this is true, then what's the point of listening to them in the dealer's shop?? They are going to sound different in my room, and even if I bought the speaker for this room I have, what will happened when I move?!

Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson http://images.avsforum.com/avs-images/black/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16961966#post16961966)
Jeez. They should, at least, have been in the same room for a comparison. Otherwise, you are just hearing the room.



If this is true, then what's the point of listening to them in the dealer's shop?? They are going to sound different in my room, and even if I bought the speaker for this room I have, what will happened when I move?!

Exactly, that is why people suggest that you try to get the dealer to let you try them in your own home, but not alot of dealers are willing to let the customer do that.... due to damage.

Sorry I mentioned I am new. I thought if you separate Bass from other channels when your amp is 90w/ch it is going to be 180w for each speakers using bi-amp wirings.Not true.

If this is true, then what's the point of listening to them in the dealer's shop?? They are going to sound different in my room, and even if I bought the speaker for this room I have, what will happened when I move?!Only for comparative purposes. Ideally, you should audition them all in your room but this is unlikely.

Exactly, that is why people suggest that you try to get the dealer to let you try them in your own home, but not alot of dealers are willing to let the customer do that.... due to damage.

Not true.

Only for comparative purposes. Ideally, you should audition them all in your room but this is unlikely.

Thanks for all your help.

I will go to dealer tomorrow morning to pull the trigger and get Studio 10, 20 or 60 along with Marantz 5004.

After reading all the posts in this thread, I guess you can't go wrong with either of them. All have excellent quality and the dealer here offers upgrade plan. So even if I get 10s or 20s, I can upgrade them to 60s or 100s if it is going to be within 2 years. As I said, you can't go wrong with any of these fine pieces of art :)

The only problem would be my main budget (~$1200) for Denon AVR-1910 and Monitor 7s which now is going to be double or tripple! Other than that, I can't see any problem.

Thanks again for the replies.

I and my wife went to dealer today and she agreed with me on the sound of 60s! Maybe we don't like that much bass. We bought a set of 20s and they sound perfect and much wider than 60s! I also went with S26 stand (mini monitors) instead of J23 because it was much cheaper and now, the final price of 20s plus stand is just $100 more than 10s plus their J29 stand.

But I guess if you have kids or pets, you need to get the new stands, since the S26s have not screw holes at the bottom to hold the speaker tight. Speakers are really heavy and we didn't think if they roll over ever so we went for cheaper stands. Besides, you can always drill some holes in the stand itself to match the speaker holes.

BTW, Marantz SR-5004 is not available until end of august. Dealer gave me a loaner receiver for now until my receiver gets here. It will be hard to wait that long.

For the sound quality in the room, it is just amazing. The bass is even deep and the highs are clear. I hear things in the sound that I didn't know they were existed! I am very happy with the purchase and the final price which was around 2K.

Thank you for all the answers and all the good posts in this forum.

This may help me decide on whether or not I get 60s or stick with 10s / 20s for now. How far from the wall does the 60s have to be placed? I know they're smaller and they're designed to be closer to the wall than the v4s. How far is everyone placing their 60s from the wall?

This may help me decide on whether or not I get 60s or stick with 10s / 20s for now. How far from the wall does the 60s have to be placed? I know they're smaller and they're designed to be closer to the wall than the v4s. How far is everyone placing their 60s from the wall?

The 60s are the only version 5 Studio speakers that have holes in their back! Even 100s have front holes. Maybe you can place 10s, 20s and 100s much closer to the wall because of that. I almost attached my 20s to the wall.

I love the 20s for music. I have not a chance to hook them up with blu-ray since the loaner receiver does not have HDMI and I don't have Component and Coaxial cables, but I did hook it up to the TV last night and I found without a center, the dialogs are not that clear and the sound is a little bass. Even when I turned on TV speakers (Sony XBR-7 40") along with these simultaneously, the result was awesome. The TV speaker is so thin while 20s have so much more depth so they completed the sound with low ranges and highs and it was a new experience. I managed to get acceptable dialogs with setting the bass to -4 but then I did lose the depth of other sounds in the program.

Maybe if someone just wants two front speaker for multipurpose use with the edge on TV, Studio 10s is a better choice with smaller driver and sharper sound. But I chose mine for 70% Music, and they rock! I can always add a Center channel later but after 4 hours of listening time, I don't feel any need for a subwoofer at all! Ok, maybe YET ;)

Welcome to the club! I agree, the sigs are amazing...

I would disagree that the C5 is too big for S6's. The S6's are almost the same size tower as the S8, just not as deep and very slightly shorter. The C5 looks great with them.

And if you do a lot of HT, the C5 might be worth it for you as so much of the sound comes from the center.

I have a C5 + S6 (+ADP3+S2) setup, and the C5 is awesome.

I am going to wait to open the C3 and see how much room I have once the S6's are setup in the room. Then will decide about the C5 upgrade, thanks for the suggestion, i just want to get this right the first time.

Thanks

This may help me decide on whether or not I get 60s or stick with 10s / 20s for now. How far from the wall does the 60s have to be placed? I know they're smaller and they're designed to be closer to the wall than the v4s. How far is everyone placing their 60s from the wall?

i would say a good rule of thumb is to measure the depth of the speaker and place that speaker that distance from the wall on each side

Has anyone pitted the Studio 20 v5 against the B&W 685?

The prices don't match 1000 and 600, but quality should.

The 685 are really a value as they are made in China, so they where able to upgrade the woofer with neodymium magnets and a fixed phase plug design.

The studio 20 v5 in my option are not as the same quality as the v4. As far as aesthetics go the Paradigms win.

...they are made in China, so they where able to upgrade the woofer with neodymium magnets and a fixed phase plug design.

The studio 20 v5 in my option are not as the same quality as the v4. As far as aesthetics go the Paradigms win.

First, I think it is silly that made in China is now looked at as a positive! Lol.
Second, I'm not convinced a neo magnet on a woofer is better than a conventional design. Lastly, who says a fixed phase plug is better for anything except your ego?

The 60s are the only version 5 Studio speakers that have holes in their back! Even 100s have front holes.

If you mean front firing ports, Studio 60s V5 are front firing.

If you mean front firing ports, Studio 60s V5 are front firing.

I don't know about firing part, but when I examined studio speakers (v5) the 60s had a ~ 3 inch wide hole in their backs. None of the other ones had that hole even 100s.

I don't know about firing part, but when I examined studio speakers (v5) the 60s had a ~ 3 inch wide hole in their backs. None of the other ones had that hole even 100s.Having front and rear ports makes for easier carrying. ;)

First, I think it is silly that made in China is now looked at as a positive! Lol.
Second, I'm not convinced a neo magnet on a woofer is better than a conventional design. Lastly, who says a fixed phase plug is better for anything except your ego?

Glen your just cranky because you paid 800 for some crappy studio 10s. Its called progression Paradigm hasn't keep up. The new studio series is a step in wrong direction. Lots of dealers have dropped Paradigm for selling there gear online, like 6ave.com ect.

BTW- I bet you live on Long Island Glennyc :p

Glen your just cranky because you paid 800 for some crappy studio 10s. Its called progression Paradigm hasn't keep up. The new studio series is a step in wrong direction. Lots of dealers have dropped Paradigm for selling there gear online, like 6ave.com ect.

BTW- I bet you live on Long Island Glennyc :p

6th Avenue Electronics is still a Paradigm (and Anthem) dealer. Why would a big e-tailer like 6th Ave have any issue with select Paradigm dealers selling their Cinema CT systems online anyway?
Think; then type.

BTW... I'll take you up on the Long Island bet. Name your price.

Glen your just cranky because you paid 800 for some crappy studio 10s. Its called progression Paradigm hasn't keep up. The new studio series is a step in wrong direction. Lots of dealers have dropped Paradigm for selling there gear online, like 6ave.com ect.

BTW- I bet you live on Long Island Glennyc :p

6th Avenue Electronics is still a Paradigm (and Anthem) dealer. Why would a big e-tailer like 6th Ave have any issue with select Paradigm dealers selling their Cinema CT systems online anyway?
Think; then type.

BTW... I'll take you up on the Long Island bet. Name your price.


Not trying to get in the middle of anything here (i'm switzerland on this one), but I don't think that 6th ave dropped paradigm. I bought a whole set of v5's from them (2X100's, 690, and 4X20's) about a month ago. And I also must say that they gave me a phenominal deal. Also impressed with the customer service.

I don't think that the statement about 6th dropping paradigm is correct.

Glen your just cranky because you paid 800 for some crappy studio 10s. Its called progression Paradigm hasn't keep up. The new studio series is a step in wrong direction. Lots of dealers have dropped Paradigm for selling there gear online, like 6ave.com ect.
This is the epitomatic stupid post. Go fanboy your fave brand on a different thread. Your post is meaningless without any proof or examples to back up your idiotic suggestions.

J.

Not trying to get in the middle of anything here (i'm switzerland on this one), but I don't think that 6th ave dropped paradigm. I bought a whole set of v5's from them (2X100's, 690, and 4X20's) about a month ago. And I also must say that they gave me a phenominal deal. Also impressed with the customer service.

I don't think that the statement about 6th dropping paradigm is correct.

I think he was suggesting that B&M dealers were dropping the Paradigm brand because of on-line sales via companies like 6ave...again, I'd like to see proof of this. 6ave will not sell Paradigm outside of their region due to sales restrictions put in place by Paradigm, so they shouldn't be cutting into any B&M shop business. And to their credit, 6ave is pretty stringent about this because their ability to sell Paradigm hinges on their adherence to Paradigm's sales policies. FWIW, Paradigm is the bread and butter of a lot of B&M shops because they have so many offerings at various price points and are reasonably priced and a decent-quality speaker. I'll never claim they're the best speakers out there, even though I've owned 7 or 8 pairs/systems of theirs, but they are a good bang-for-the-buck brand.

J.

1) 6ave.com was selling much more then just the cinema packages until recently.
2) If you look on Paradigm's website there is now a statement that they will not accept warranties from items purchased online.
3)I live in Chicago and purchased a Millenia 20 6 months ago from 6ave online...I have the receipt if your interested
4) I loved Paradigm I just don't think the new Studio line is up to snuff, all looks and no substance
5)Sorry Glenn it must be NJ:D

Crackmonkey- I love the Switzerland comment

BTW- I was just interest to see if anyone had put the B&Ws and Paradigms in a A/B audition. I didn't come here to sling mud.:o

6ave.com was selling much more then just the cinema packages until recently.

Paradigm allows authorized dealers to sell discontinued models (after 90 days) through any channel they wish... Including the internet. ;)


I live in Chicago and purchased a Millenia 20 6 months ago from 6ave online...I have the receipt if your interested

The polished aluminum (i.e. silver) Millenia models were discontinued a long time ago. Would I be correct by assuming that your Millenia 20 is silver?

Well, your right about one thing the millennia was the aluminum/chrome finnish. Yes it was at a good discount, but they also were selling the black finnish at retail prices. Although, no taxes and free shipping.

6ave was selling current models all the way up to the new Studio 100 v5 online. Now they have pulled everything, minus cinema packages.

4) I loved Paradigm I just don't think the new Studio line is up to snuff, all looks and no substance


I have to disagree here slightly. I listened to the Stuido 60 v.4's, 20 v.5 and 100 v.5. I thought the v.5 was easily a better speaker than the v.4. It still wasn't what I wanted in the end (I did buy the S6), but found it better than the Revel F32 and Kef XQ40, I did not compare to any B&W, though.

Glen your just cranky because you paid 800 for some crappy studio 10s. Its called progression Paradigm hasn't keep up. The new studio series is a step in wrong direction. Lots of dealers have dropped Paradigm for selling there gear online, like 6ave.com ect.

BTW- I bet you live on Long Island Glennyc :p

I don't think Studio 10s are crappy!! As a matter of fact I really had a rough time choosing between 10s and 20s. 20s just had a little more bass which was better in some music and they looked really nice on S26 stand which was 1/3 the price of J29. 10s are very nice and attractive on J29.

Anyway, 10s are amazing for such a small size.

BTW- I was just interest to see if anyone had put the B&Ws and Paradigms in a A/B audition. I didn't come here to sling mud.:o

I compared the B&W 804 with the s4 in my own room and equipment if thats what your interested in

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2405/3619853679_0194e98e14_b.jpg

I did buy Studio 10s for the rear speakers

I compared the B&W 804 with the s4 in my own room and equipment if thats what your interested in

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2405/3619853679_0194e98e14_b.jpg

I did buy Studio 10s for the rear speakers

So what was your verdict? :confused:

So what was your verdict? :confused:

Overall the Paradigms were the better speaker. The treble especially, it was smoother and not as bright and forward. It blended with the midrange better. It had more detail and definition. The 804s dont use B&Ws diamond tweeter. The midrange was also smoother and more natural sounding. It was fuller and not forward in the upper midrange like the B&W. The B&W was better in the lower midrange and upper bass being tighter and more defined. The imaging on both was excellent.
Ill take the more natural sounding smoother midrange and treble of the Paradigms. The 804 was too forward and bright making vocals sound thin and the tweeter wasnt nearly as smooth and detailed. The range that the 804s were better in was from the sub crossover of 80hz to about 400hz. It was tighter and more defined which isnt surprising since the 804 is a 3 way with 2 woofers and the s4 is a 2 1/2 way. This is just my opinion but was shared by others that came over.
I used a Rotel amp and preamp for the listening. I can be more specific if interested.

Thank you, that was great info.

Hello all,
I have a question regarding rear surround speakers. I currently have a pair of studio 20's v.5 for my fronts, a sudio cc490 for the center, HSU sub, and 2 deffinitive 800s for surrounds. My amp is a onkyo 705. I live in an apartment in NYC, and have a listening room about 15 by 13. I have to say that the sytem sounds amazing, especially with SADC's and DVD audios. I am wondering if my system will sound any better if I swap the deffinitives with Studio 10s? This is prob a stupid question but what do you guy's think? The 800s are about only 1 ft behind my couch, are about 3 ft from the sweet spot. How much better can the 10s sound at that distance?

If you can offload the DT's and swap in either Studio 10's or maybe even ADP's I think you'll notice a huge difference, especially if a lot of your listening is hi-rez multichannel. Are they wall mounted or on stands? I'm not sure which I'd opt for, because they're so close to where you sit. I'd probably go for the ADP's because they will give a broader and more dispersed sound (which some may say will be a negative for multichannel music) and I'd be concerned that the 10's would be too focused or identifiable at that close range. Both are great speakers and certainly would be a step in the right direction.

J.

Funny, when I spoke to 6ave they simply stated that they no longer listed the Paradigms online, but continued to sale them in store only to adhere to policy. They never mentioned or indicated that they would no longer carry the speakers. I auditioned the Paradigm and B&W lineups and went with Paradigm based on sound preferrence with price not being an option. A couple B&W dealers I visited stated they stopped carrying Paradigm because they were too close of a competitor to their B&W line, but at a lower price point and as a result had to choose between the two versus carrying both.

If you can offload the DT's and swap in either Studio 10's or maybe even ADP's I think you'll notice a huge difference, especially if a lot of your listening is hi-rez multichannel. Are they wall mounted or on stands? I'm not sure which I'd opt for, because they're so close to where you sit. I'd probably go for the ADP's because they will give a broader and more dispersed sound (which some may say will be a negative for multichannel music) and I'd be concerned that the 10's would be too focused or identifiable at that close range. Both are great speakers and certainly would be a step in the right direction.

J.
Thanks for the feed back. I have to say the DT's really project a wide image to the right and left sides of the rear walls. What model ADPs are you reffering to? I hope they dont cost as much as the 10s.

The new ADP's are the ADP-590 v5, though you could likely get away with the v4's (which are also ADP-590). I just sold my ADP-470 v3's and purchased a pair of the v5 ADP's, but they haven't arrived yet so I can't comment.

As an aside, how do you like your center with the 20's and hi-rez music?

J.

The new ADP's are the ADP-590 v5, though you could likely get away with the v4's (which are also ADP-590). I just sold my ADP-470 v3's and purchased a pair of the v5 ADP's, but they haven't arrived yet so I can't comment.

As an aside, how do you like your center with the 20's and hi-rez music?

J.

Thanks, in regards to your ? about the center I love it! It works perfect with the Studio 20s. Totaly seamless front end. Hi rez, sounds amazing. I am curious if my DT's sound so good with these speakers I guess anything above the DT 800s will improve my rear AQ. This is the problem with getting into this hobby, you always know that there is something for more $ that will sound better.:(

I'd say that if you're happy with the Def Tech's, there's no need to upgrade at this point.

J.

I finally took some pics of my completed system with the v.5s in place.

Pic Gallery (http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=KCWolfPck&folderid=1600#)

how are you enjoying those Studio Esprits?

I'd say that if you're happy with the Def Tech's, there's no need to upgrade at this point.

J.

I get to compare the Mythos ST and Studio 100's, not a truly fair comparison considering the different price points and powered sub, but still something a lot of people seem to cross shop. I LOVE the ST for HT use, IMO they trounce almost everything else out there in and well above their price range. However, the Studio's still win on looks and pure music. The ST are great for pop, rock, and entertaining music, but they still lack that last 10% needed for stunning acoustic performances.

BlueBoxer-

Are those your Studios listed at Audiogon?

J.

The v5's have been out for a while now.

I know there was a review for the 60's that was put out, but I haven't seen too much else. Is that it for reviews for the studio v5's? Shouldn't there be a few more on their way???

Here's a hometheaterreview By: Brian Kahn of the Studio 100 5.1 system (http://hometheaterreview.com/paradigm-studio-100-51-speaker-system-reviewed/) in June.

BlueBoxer-

Are those your Studios listed at Audiogon?

J.
I see that you have a sale pending on the Studio 100's. Folks would be insane not to jump all over either of your ads. Those are ridiculously priced and beautifully cared for. I hope your sales go smoothly and that you're able to replace them with something else worthy when the time is right.

J.

Hi,

What is the recommended stand for Studio 20's used as surrounds? Paradigm's website has them pictured with J-29 stands, but the brochure posted on p. 5, Reply 131 of this thread has them on J-23 stands. Given the size of the v.5 20's, I'd imagine the tweeters would be about 13" higher than the stands, which would place them at 42" and 36" accordingly.

My ear level would be closer to 36" than 42", but with the J-23s, a good part of the speaker would be below my sofa's arm rest (the Studio 20's would be on the side of the sofa), which I would imagine would negatively affect sound (sofa would block/absorb a lot of the sound).

So, would it be better in my case to chose the J-23 or J-29 stands? From what I've seen, most people choose the J-29s, but I would imagine that most people have ear levels closer to 36", which makes me wonder why the J-29's are such a popular choice???

I have read that you don't really want the tweeters below ear level, and that it is okay and often preferable to have it slightly higher than ear level, but would the J-29's place the tweeter too high in my case (probably 6" higher than my ear level)? Thanks.

The J-29's should do the trick. 6" above ear level is perfectly fine unless you're sitting <12" from the speaker. :eek:

J.

anyone else read about the new Paradigm SE line? Will be between the monitor and studio lines.

Paradigm's new SE line uses their Monitor Series tweeters, with Reference Studio midrange drivers and tweaked crossovers... In real wood cabinets. In addition to the wood finishes, the SE line is also available in gloss white, and gloss black.
Also in the SE line is a really tiny 10" sealed subwoofer that is PBK (Perfect Bass Kit) compatible.
I'll post stuff on my flickr page eventually, but my iMac is out for repair. :(

I just wanted to post and say thanks to those of you who answered my questions and helped me choose my speakers here. I ended up with a pair of Studio 20 v5's for the front, CC590 v5 center, and Atom Monitors v6 for the rears. I decided not to skimp out on the front speakers (because I listen to some 2ch music) and also not the center channel (because it does most of the work for movies & TV). I don't care as much about the rears as I never listen to 5ch audio, and for movie sound effects the little Monitors will be just fine. For a sub I have the SVS PC-12 Plus....couldn't quite afford the Paradigm SUB12. I don't have it all set up together because I haven't moved into my condo yet, but I did hook up the Stuido 20's and I can't get enough of them - absolutely ZERO listening fatigue. I absolutely love them. I got an awesome deal on the speakers (30% off, no GST) because this particular dealer was phasing out Paradigm here in Canada.

Hopefully this all isn't too much for my small room (only 9 ft deep total :))

Thanks again,

Mark

I just wanted to post and say thanks to those of you who answered my questions and helped me choose my speakers here. I ended up with a pair of Studio 20 v5's for the front, CC590 v5 center, and Atom Monitors v6 for the rears. I decided not to skimp out on the front speakers (because I listen to some 2ch music) and also not the center channel (because it does most of the work for movies & TV). I don't care as much about the rears as I never listen to 5ch audio, and for movie sound effects the little Monitors will be just fine. For a sub I have the SVS PC-12 Plus....couldn't quite afford the Paradigm SUB12. I don't have it all set up together because I haven't moved into my condo yet, but I did hook up the Stuido 20's and I can't get enough of them - absolutely ZERO listening fatigue. I absolutely love them. I got an awesome deal on the speakers (30% off, no GST) because this particular dealer was phasing out Paradigm here in Canada.

Hopefully this all isn't too much for my small room (only 9 ft deep total :))

Thanks again,

Mark

good choice, enjoy. dont forget to post pics:)

I forgot to mention that Paradigm will soon be offering their Reference Studio line in a new Piano (Gloss) Black in addition to the Cherry, Rosenut, and Black Woodgrain finishes already available. ;)

I forgot to mention that Paradigm will soon be offering their Reference Studio line in a new Piano (Gloss) Black in addition to the Cherry, Rosenut, and Black Woodgrain finishes already available. ;)

Upcharge for the gloss black?

I forgot to mention that Paradigm will soon be offering their Reference Studio line in a new Piano (Gloss) Black in addition to the Cherry, Rosenut, and Black Woodgrain finishes already available. ;)

Ohhhh...any pictures available yet on the gloss finish?

I just wanted to post and say thanks...

Mark
Congrats on the purchase. I'm sure you will thoroughly enjoy that setup for many years to come! Please do post some pics when you have it all set up.

J.

Congrats on the purchase. I'm sure you will thoroughly enjoy that setup for many years to come! Please do post some pics when you have it all set up.

J.

Thanks! I will post some pics for sure, but I don't move in until November 1. It's absolutely killing me having an entire home theater of stuff in boxes just sitting here :).

I forgot to mention that Paradigm will soon be offering their Reference Studio line in a new Piano (Gloss) Black in addition to the Cherry, Rosenut, and Black Woodgrain finishes already available. ;)

Nice. Shiny gloss black. That's the only color I might have chosen over Rosenet which is sooo pretty. When are these going to be available?

Upcharge for the gloss black?Studio 10: $50 each
Studio 20: $80 each
Studio 60, 490, 590: $100 each
Studio 100, 690: $150 each
SUB 12, SUB 15: $200 each

All FMV of course.

Hi,

What is the recommended stand for Studio 20's used as surrounds? Paradigm's website has them pictured with J-29 stands, but the brochure posted on p. 5, Reply 131 of this thread has them on J-23 stands. Given the size of the v.5 20's, I'd imagine the tweeters would be about 13" higher than the stands, which would place them at 42" and 36" accordingly.

My ear level would be closer to 36" than 42", but with the J-23s, a good part of the speaker would be below my sofa's arm rest (the Studio 20's would be on the side of the sofa), which I would imagine would negatively affect sound (sofa would block/absorb a lot of the sound).

So, would it be better in my case to chose the J-23 or J-29 stands? From what I've seen, most people choose the J-29s, but I would imagine that most people have ear levels closer to 36", which makes me wonder why the J-29's are such a popular choice???

I have read that you don't really want the tweeters below ear level, and that it is okay and often preferable to have it slightly higher than ear level, but would the J-29's place the tweeter too high in my case (probably 6" higher than my ear level)? Thanks.

You can get the S-26 too. I got my 20s (in black) with S26 and they look fine. It was 1/3 the price of J29. The only downside is the screw holes which does not match, but if you don't have kids or pets, they would be fine. You can also drill screw holes in them.

Nice. Shiny gloss black. That's the only color I might have chosen over Rosenet which is sooo pretty. When are these going to be available?

But I prefer the Black Woodgrain. God forbid but if it gets scratches in comming years, you can just fix it with a black marker or pen and it never shows.

But I prefer the Black Woodgrain. God forbid but if it gets scratches in comming years, you can just fix it with a black marker or pen and it never shows.

That's like saying that you'd rather have a Honda Civic than a Ferrari Scaglietti because if (God forbid) it gets scratches, you can touch it up with one of those metallic Sharpie markers...:D I'm just sayin'...

J.

When did they start offering gloss black?? I just got my system a few months ago. Rosenut. Looks great IMHO. Wasn't too crazy about the standard black. That's what I had on my first set of Paradigms back in the 90's. Have to say I find it looked cheap. Though, most of the time you're watching the film and not starring at the speaker so...no offense Lost. To each his own I guess.

Great set of speakers. No complaints.

That's like saying that you'd rather have a Honda Civic than a Ferrari Scaglietti because if (God forbid) it gets scratches, you can touch it up with one of those metallic Sharpie markers...:D I'm just sayin'...

J.

1- If you have ten times the money for Ferrari Scaglietti then you don't care but I don't assume all the people in this forum have that kind of money.

2- I don't think Piano finish and Black Woodgrain can be categorize as Ferrari and Civic or I am missing something in my brain for rationalization!

You could say buying a black metallic car instead of pure black. I'm just sayin'... ;)

BTW in my experience piano finishes reflect too much TV light at night or dark rooms which I don't like but it is a personal choice.

When did they start offering gloss black?? I just got my system a few months ago. Rosenut. Looks great IMHO. Wasn't too crazy about the standard black. That's what I had on my first set of Paradigms back in the 90's. Have to say I find it looked cheap. Though, most of the time you're watching the film and not starring at the speaker so...no offense Lost. To each his own I guess.

Great set of speakers. No complaints.

No offence taken. Agreed it is completely a personal choice.

BTW are you sure the new woordgrain is the same as you had back in 90s?? I've heard that the v5 of studios use real wood and to me it looks fantastic. Not even close to exotic like Rosenut but for sure it does not look cheap at all.

My point (while intentionally exaggerated) was simply that I think it's silly to choose a finish on the merits of "repairability" and not based on what you think looks better. There's no up-charge for the other basic finishes, so why not get what you prefer (unless it is indeed the black ash)?

J.

1- If you have ten times the money for Ferrari Scaglietti then you don't care but I don't assume all the people in this forum have that kind of money.

2- I don't think Piano finish and Black Woodgrain can be categorize as Ferrari and Civic or I am missing something in my brain for rationalization!

You could say buying a black metallic car instead of pure black. I'm just sayin'... ;)

BTW in my experience piano finishes reflect too much TV light at night or dark rooms which I don't like but it is a personal choice.

+100000000000

Even Ferrari's come in flat grey, black, red and white.

My point (while intentionally exaggerated) was simply that I think it's silly to choose a finish on the merits of "repairability" and not based on what you think looks better. There's no up-charge for the other basic finishes, so why not get what you prefer (unless it is indeed the black ash)?

J.

Okay, now we are talking. It is your view point and I agree, some people like to get the best looking things despite the fact of durability but again, some, like I do, prefer to have something that lasts longer. So again, it is a matter of personal choice and financial management.

But I prefer the Black Woodgrain. God forbid but if it gets scratches in comming years, you can just fix it with a black marker or pen and it never shows.

Just wondering, why would a speaker get scratches? Mine Studio 10 is sitting on stands and it's not exactly subject to things scratching it. If I have to move it, I have the original boxes.

I would choose a speaker based on what I think looks the best, and that's either rosenut or gloss black. The fact that they don't charge more for some of these premium finishes makes it even more desirable.

BTW: I own many gloss black things currently and it's never been an issue.

And secondly, I've owned the flat black studio V5 as well before I traded in back for rosenut :)

Just wondering, why would a speaker get scratches? Mine Studio 10 is sitting on stands and it's not exactly subject to things scratching it. If I have to move it, I have the original boxes.


You have been fortunate, I hope it keeps working that way for you :)

I would choose a speaker based on what I think looks the best, and that's either rosenut or gloss black. The fact that they don't charge more for some of these premium finishes makes it even more desirable.

Again a personal choice, you write your ideas, I write mine, the readers decide.

BTW: I own many gloss black things currently and it's never been an issue.

And secondly, I've owned the flat black studio V5 as well before I traded in back for rosenut :)

Again, that is what's best for you!

+100000000000

Even Ferrari's come in flat grey, black, red and white.

My (obvious) point was that I wouldn't choose a finish simply because it's easier to repair. [/topic]

J.

So here is a picture of my system: 60 inch plasma, Paradigm S6/C5 and sunfire sub.

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu327/vengazor/DSC05569-1.jpg

Another poster recommended that I raise the center channel higher to get the tweeters better aligned with the S6 tweeters. I bought the recommended paradigm stand as this is what I would assume would be best by paradigm standards, but is it better to raise it up even higher? I just want the best sound possible so am open to any suggestions on the best way to proceed.

Thanks,
Rich

Please take the grills off and take pics. That's what we really want to see. :D

Regards,

Another poster recommended that I raise the center channel higher to get the tweeters better aligned with the S6 tweeters. I bought the recommended paradigm stand as this is what I would assume would be best by paradigm standards, but is it better to raise it up even higher? I just want the best sound possible so am open to any suggestions on the best way to proceed.

Thanks,
Rich

Having the tweeters at the same height would sound best but you might first try using a pair of these http://www.capitolsupply.com/com.CS69108.csi?cid=AFFCJ&CJAID=1609763 Home Depot sells smaller ones for under a buck. I use 2 under my J-18C stand.

The tweeters don't need to be at the same height as the Mains.... you just need to aim them at your ear height... nothing wrong with what you have right now... Tweeters are very directional, but if you provide the proper angle you will be just fine.

After running ARC, I found my tweeters in my towers were aimed to high, and I adjusted the back foot screws to lower the tweet response at my Listening Position, the graphs reflected the change for the positive.. Same thing with my surround speakers... I had them firing over my head - and after adjusting them to aim lower the response was much better...

Its amazing what the D2v has brought to my system - no question it a far better experience in my room

Please take the grills off and take pics. That's what we really want to see. :D

Regards,

you got it!!

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu327/vengazor/Picture053-1.jpg

Very nice setup. A second sub however, would greatly balance the look and bass output.

vengazor, you have a beautiful set up man ! I can imagine it sounds amazing. I'm getting my Studio 100's in rosewood next week so I'm pretty excited myself.

Regards,

Can somebody give me the name and address for a paradigm dealer outside of the NJ and NY area? I want to purchase a pair of Studio 10s to use as surrounds to go with my Studio 20 v.5 setup. I guess I am looking for the average 20% off or better, and I would like to avoid the taxes if the dealer can ship them to me in NYC.

Very nice setup. A second sub however, would greatly balance the look and bass output.


Thanks a lot guys, i've put a lot into this system, glad you appreciate it.


i am very pleased with the bass output from the s-6's and that sunfire sub is 2700 watts of pure joy. the room is not huge, and the sound is fantastic so far. going to run ARC on the Anthem this weekend.

Can somebody give me the name and address for a paradigm dealer outside of the NJ and NY area? I want to purchase a pair of Studio 10s to use as surrounds to go with my Studio 20 v.5 setup. I guess I am looking for the average 20% off or better, and I would like to avoid the taxes if the dealer can ship them to me in NYC.

That probably won't happen...Paradigm is pretty strict about dealers selling within their regions. You could obviously visit them in person and pick them up, but they won't ship them to you...it would jeopardize their Paradigm dealer status. Check Paradigm's site for a dealer close to you or within reasonable driving distance from you.

J.

Can somebody give me the name and address for a paradigm dealer outside of the NJ and NY area? I want to purchase a pair of Studio 10s to use as surrounds to go with my Studio 20 v.5 setup. I guess I am looking for the average 20% off or better, and I would like to avoid the taxes if the dealer can ship them to me in NYC.

I would highly recommend you give Sam a call at the 6th Ave on Rt. 4 in Paramus, NJ. He is there Wednesday through Saturday. He is a forum member as always tries his best to give as good a deal possible to other forum members. You won't be able to get around the taxes, but he is in the region, and can ship to NY. Just tell him you got his name from the AVS forum.

I would highly recommend you give Sam a call at the 6th Ave on Rt. 4 in Paramus, NJ. He is there Wednesday through Saturday. He is a forum member as always tries his best to give as good a deal possible to other forum members. You won't be able to get around the taxes, but he is in the region, and can ship to NY. Just tell him you got his name from the AVS forum.
Thanks,
I already tried them and he could not give me any great deal. For some reason they can not do deals on the 10s. I bought my 20's there and got a graet discount.

try s.i audio in staten island n.y im getting the studio 60 and cc590 off of them they are a authorized paradigm dealer i dont know if were allowed to give phone numbers but if we can i got his direct number

i have bdi avion audio furniture and bdi strata coffee table and end table in cherry oak now my question is what do you guys think goes best studio 60 in a ( cherry or rosenut )finish im more for the rosenut but would like to here some opinions thanks

Hello All,
Do any of you use Studio 10s as rear surrounds. I just put in an order for a pair to go with my Studio 20's V.5, and the CC490, with HSU sub. I am finally replacing my rear definitve Tech 800s. I cant wait to listen to my SACD's and DVD Audios with this setup:D

This may be a silly question, but I'm kind of a newb, so here goes...I've got a pair of 60v5's driven by an Anthem MCA-20. My receiver is a Yamaha rx-v1800. My question is, how loud is TOO loud for two channel music listening? I enjoy cranking things up once in awhile but am always always paranoid about damaging the 60's. I know everyone talks about clipping, but I'm not sure I even know what this would sound like. I usually only take the receiver up to about -5db max. Is this getting into the area where I should be backing things down? I'm also using an Ultracube 12. With subs, can you damage these as well at high volumes? or is there some sort of built in protection that will shut things down once a certain threshold is met?

The 60's and the Anthem are a good match. You shouldn't experience any clipping or risk any damage to the speakers or the amp. Clipping will sound like crunching/distortion, but will only happen if you are driving your amp too hard (which shouldn't be an issue with your Anthem). Some subs will have a built in protection circuit that will shut them down if you reach dangerous levels, but I'm not sure about your Ultracube. The owner's manual or Paradigm's site should provide that info.

BTW, sounds like a nice setup. How do you like the 60's?

J.

I use 20's for surrounds. Feel it best matches my 100's and CC690.

Very happy with the speakers so far. Now if only my neighbors could all disappear for a few weeks so I can seriously crank up my receiver. :)

I use 20's for surrounds. Feel it best matches my 100's and CC690.

Very happy with the speakers so far. Now if only my neighbors could all disappear for a few weeks so I can seriously crank up my receiver. :)


I have the same kit in version v.5 with the addition of the new Sub 15. Me likey!


Brian

Of course my setup is also a v.5. Hence this thread. Only difference is I have a SVS PC13 Ultra sub. Love this new system. Now if only my neighbors could all disappear for 2 weeks so I can crank it up to the 12 o'clock position. :) I live in a town home so that's usually not doable. Might actually be more sub than I need. As I can't always let it loose. Perhaps in my next home and a sound proofed HT room. :)

The last piece of my setup (my panasonic 65v10) has arrived and it's all finally working! I have an Onkyo receiver along with my 65V10 and I was having some handshake issues with the different componants. The panasonic repair person (who was great!) only needed about 5 minutes to update the firmware, but we did talk a bit longer about the set.

Anyway, it's all finally setup and working correctly! I'm pretty excited so I thought I'd post a pic. Excuse the poor resolution of my camera, but you'll get the feel for what it looks like.

FWIW my new setup is as follows:
- Paradigm studio V5 speakers (2X100's for the front, 4X20's for the 7.2 surround, 690 center, 4XJ29 stands - speakers are all in rosewood)
- Two PB13 Ultra Subs (they can literally shake my house)
- Sherbourn 7-200 amp (their newer recently released amp)
- Onkyo PRO pr-sc886 Pre-Amp
- Panasonic TC-P65V10 plasma
- Custom made stand from the old man (it was extremely hard to find something that would accomodate the weight of all the componants and especially the size of my center channel speaker)
- And of course some other little gadgets - PS3, 1TB Tivo, cables, Harmony One remote (to ensure that the wife will be able to turn on the TV), a small blu-ray collectioin, small PS3 first person shooter game collection, etc...

Just wondering: I have had my CC-690 for a while (it is S/N 1 for that finish, yikes LOL). I never hear any sound coming out of the two lowest frequency drivers (outside ones). However I know they do work. I think I have the LFE XO for the center set to 60Hz (Audyssey recommended 40Hz). What do you guys hear? It just bugs me to have two drivers not carrying the freight. Thanks.

Crackmonkey,

Congrats on the new 65"!! Curious. Does it buzz? :)

Also, I noticed you have a CC690 sitting inside a stand. What kind of stand is this? I was looking for one but couldn't find one. So I had to wall mount my 60" KURO Elite. And place the CC690 on top my open rack (rack that has no back or side walls).

cfraser,

I have a CC690 as well. How are you able to tell there's no sound coming out of 2 drivers? Were you standing right up against the center? Could it just be the program material? As far as I know I think all of the drivers on mine are being used. Would seem hard to tell if two aren't working unless you're standing within inches of the speaker for part of the movie.

^ Yup, I had my ear right up there. I asked this question way back when this lineup was new, so wasn't much user experience yet. I will see if lowering the center LFE XO makes any diff, but I'm pretty sure I had it at 40Hz in the beginning and I still didn't hear anything from those drivers. There may not be any content to utilise these drivers in any normal movie mix, may be some in multich music which I rarely listen to. Let's face it, the drivers are there and make the box at least a foot wider than otherwise (and a lot heavier), so they better do something! Or maybe they are, in practical terms, useless drivers??

Edit: just to clarify, the two lowest-freq/outside drivers DO work. I put a test signal into them (directly into driving amp) and they went quite low, I could even plainly see them working. My question could be rephrased as: do you guys find that the lowest-freq drivers have any practical purpose when used in this CC speaker in an HT system? Obviously the speaker is staying since it's hard to get a "lesser" one, psychologically-speaking. And it's long paid for. :) Perhaps some useful info for future potential purchasers. Or not, depending what you observe.

The last piece of my setup (my panasonic 65v10) has arrived and it's all finally working! I have an Onkyo receiver along with my 65V10 and I was having some handshake issues with the different componants. The panasonic repair person (who was great!) only needed about 5 minutes to update the firmware, but we did talk a bit longer about the set.

Anyway, it's all finally setup and working correctly! I'm pretty excited so I thought I'd post a pic. Excuse the poor resolution of my camera, but you'll get the feel for what it looks like.

FWIW my new setup is as follows:
- Paradigm studio V5 speakers (2X100's for the front, 4X20's for the 7.2 surround, 690 center, 4XJ29 stands - speakers are all in rosewood)
- Two PB13 Ultra Subs (they can literally shake my house)
- Sherbourn 7-200 amp (their newer recently released amp)
- Onkyo PRO pr-sc886 Pre-Amp
- Panasonic TC-P65V10 plasma
- Custom made stand from the old man (it was extremely hard to find something that would accomodate the weight of all the componants and especially the size of my center channel speaker)
- And of course some other little gadgets - PS3, 1TB Tivo, cables, Harmony One remote (to ensure that the wife will be able to turn on the TV), a small blu-ray collectioin, small PS3 first person shooter game collection, etc...

Drool..... That set up looks nice!

Those subs are massive!:eek: They must sound good.

cfraser,

Don't know what to say except I almost swear all my drivers are working on my CC690. If not then I'm guessing it's the program material. Shrug.

I just know I'm very happy with the sound. Just wished I lived on a 1-2 acre lot with neighbors at least half an acre away so I can crank up my HT till my ear drums bust. Well not quite of course. :) Love to be able to push my system. Can't do that now living in a town home.

^ I'm sure you can imagine that part of my motive for asking this question again, after ~6 months, is to determine if perhaps my early production model got an XO change somewhere along the way. Or if I shouldn't set up my system using my big toes.

Crackmonkey,

Congrats on the new 65"!! Curious. Does it buzz? :)

Also, I noticed you have a CC690 sitting inside a stand. What kind of stand is this? I was looking for one but couldn't find one. So I had to wall mount my 60" KURO Elite. And place the CC690 on top my open rack (rack that has no back or side walls).

cfraser,

I have a CC690 as well. How are you able to tell there's no sound coming out of 2 drivers? Were you standing right up against the center? Could it just be the program material? As far as I know I think all of the drivers on mine are being used. Would seem hard to tell if two aren't working unless you're standing within inches of the speaker for part of the movie.

Hey BDD,

There is essentially no buzz with the tv. I would describe the sound that comes from it as follows: from normal seating distances (with the volume off and no ambient noises) there's no sound. As you move toward the tv you still can't hear anything. It's not till you stick your head behind the set and put your ear to the fan that you hear noise. As you move your head away the sound fades till you get to the front of the tv and then it disappears. as far as the electronic buzz it's the same as the fan noise... by the time your head moves from the back to the front of the tv the sound is gone. I'm very impressed.

As far as the stand goes it was custom made by my father. I looked for a long time before i realized that I was not going to find something that will accomodate the size of my 690 and the weight of my componants.

Drool..... That set up looks nice!

Those subs are massive!:eek: They must sound good.

I have literally shaken pictures off the wall. SVS makes a nice sub.

Can somebody give me the name and address for a paradigm dealer outside of the NJ and NY area? I want to purchase a pair of Studio 10s to use as surrounds to go with my Studio 20 v.5 setup. I guess I am looking for the average 20% off or better, and I would like to avoid the taxes if the dealer can ship them to me in NYC.

I sent you a pm

Crackmonkey,

Good to know about your 65" V10. Seems people are finding them dead slilent. At least from the front up close and at "normal" seating distances.

Nice you have a father skilled enough to make a good rack. I don't know why there are no rack manufacturers making racks with shelf space large enough for this speaker. They just have had requests from CC690 owners. Go figure.

And which SVS sub do you own? I have a PC13 Ultra. LOVE IT!!

How loud do you have the sub where you've managed to shake pictures off the wall? Wish I could play my sub that loud or close to. Have vibrated the floor, walls and ceiling though. :)

Not to go to far off topic here but what amazes me is the Ultra is great with music as well. Heck there was a glowing review of the SVS PB12 Plus, I think in HT magazine, where they did a subwoofer smackdown with all the big boys, and SVS was the best overall. I have an Ultra and LOVE it, although not too many movies showcase this bad boy, sad really... with what it can do...

But back on thread topic, I recently replaced my Onkyo 806 with a Pioneer SC-25, man I did not think there would be a major difference, but there was. The one thing that stands out is the dialogue in movies. It always sounded muted with the Onkyo but now, it is crystal clear, still not sure the CC-690 produces $1499 worth of sound... but nonetheless it is a kick ass center. Also, are the ADP's worth it? That's an awful lot of money for surround sound, my dealer recommend the 390's? the smaller version since they are most cost effective and do an outstanding job according to him... Anyhow congrats new owners, the V5's look and sound amazing, but then again, you would not expect any less from Paradigm.

Crackmonkey,

Good to know about your 65" V10. Seems people are finding them dead slilent. At least from the front up close and at "normal" seating distances.

Nice you have a father skilled enough to make a good rack. I don't know why there are no rack manufacturers making racks with shelf space large enough for this speaker. They just have had requests from CC690 owners. Go figure.

And which SVS sub do you own? I have a PC13 Ultra. LOVE IT!!

How loud do you have the sub where you've managed to shake pictures off the wall? Wish I could play my sub that loud or close to. Have vibrated the floor, walls and ceiling though. :)

Hey,

I have two pb-13-ultras.

As far as getting the pictures off, it seems to be more related to the tone than the volume. The nice thing about the 13's is that they really don't have to be that loud to feel the impact (even if the pictures aren't banging against the wall). As far as actually getting pictures off the wall, there's some scenes in a few movies that will really shake the house between -15 and -5 (I don't think I've gone above that, and I generally only do that level for a short time during demos)

BUT, I also made a cd up with some test tones at different frequencies. I wanted to better understand what 30hz, 20hz, etc.... sound like. The tones I loaded were from 100hz down to about 5 hz. I kept the volume at -35 when I tried it (not very loud at all). When I was at 35hz i started to feel something, got stronger at 30, at 25hz things were really shaking, but when I hit 20 hz that's when the pictures started banging pretty violently against the wall and I had to pause the test tone. 15hz still had a little power, at 10 i think I could kinda hear something, but I didn't have it very loud. It was a fun test to hear what the different tones sound like, but I know test tones can be pretty hard on a system so if you do it I would really recommend starting out at a VERY low volume and just doing it once or twice.

I really love my subs. I'm still surprised at how much they add to the movie viewing experience.

Hey everyone. I've read through this entire thread and I've learned some things and had a few laughs along the way. This is my first post here, and I'm somewhat new to the stereo/speaker/HT game. I have recently read a ton of reviews and forum threads on the V5 Studio 60's and 100's along with various receivers to match them. I was hoping I could get some help from you guys.

My local dealer is going to give me a very attractive discount on the Studio series speakers, and he said that he always recommends I get the best speaker that I can afford because I'll have them until I'm 50(I'm 25 now). I agree with him, and I only like to spend my money once so to speak, so I'd like to step up and get the V5 100's instead of the 60's. If I can afford it I'll get the CC-690(dealer recommends the biggest center channel as well), the ADP-590's, and the Sub 12.

The problem is, my local dealer doesnt have the Studio series in stock so I can't listen to them. He only has the Monitor series which are sound nice, but I want something that sounds and looks better. I would have to drive 3 hrs one way to go to another Paradigm dealer in order to listen to them. I know that all of you are going to recommend that I make the drive because it's a small price to pay when considering spending so much on speakers. I guess I'm trying to avoid the drive and buy them based on the rave reviews the Studio series gets and from what everyone on here is saying. Probably a stupid move though hey?

On to to the subject of receivers. Being that it has been recommened that I get as much speaker as I can afford, I won't be able to spend as much on the receiver. That's not to say I won't be getting a decent one though, just that I won't be able to get a top notch receiver if that makes any sense. I'm currently looking at the Onkyo 876 because it's last years model and has a lot of the features and power I'm looking for. I can also get a decent deal on it($1300 instead of $1900 regular). I know that seems high, but I also live in Canada and that's just how it is. My local Paradigm dealer sells the Pioneer Elite line and obviously he is suggesting I purchase one of these instead. He said maybe the VSX-21, but I don't think it's as good as the Onkyo 876. I'm thinking I would have to step up into the SC-25/27 territory to be comparible to the Onk. Problem is, is the SC-25 would probably cost me $1700 and that's just a guess without getting a quote from the dealer. Just wondering if you guys could recommend a solid receiver for the Studio 100's. I want what's going to sound the best with these speakers and have the ability to drive them well.

I listen to about 40% music/30% tv/30% HT.

Thanks so much for your help and suggestions everyone.

I know I'm going to be addicted to this stuff fast!:D

Hey everyone. I've read through this entire thread and I've learned some things and had a few laughs along the way. This is my first post here, and I'm somewhat new to the stereo/speaker/HT game. I have recently read a ton of reviews and forum threads on the V5 Studio 60's and 100's along with various receivers to match them. I was hoping I could get some help from you guys.

My local dealer is going to give me a very attractive discount on the Studio series speakers, and he said that he always recommends I get the best speaker that I can afford because I'll have them until I'm 50(I'm 25 now). I agree with him, and I only like to spend my money once so to speak, so I'd like to step up and get the V5 100's instead of the 60's. If I can afford it I'll get the CC-690(dealer recommends the biggest center channel as well), the ADP-590's, and the Sub 12.

The problem is, my local dealer doesnt have the Studio series in stock so I can't listen to them. He only has the Monitor series which are sound nice, but I want something that sounds and looks better. I would have to drive 3 hrs one way to go to another Paradigm dealer in order to listen to them. I know that all of you are going to recommend that I make the drive because it's a small price to pay when considering spending so much on speakers. I guess I'm trying to avoid the drive and buy them based on the rave reviews the Studio series gets and from what everyone on here is saying. Probably a stupid move though hey?

On to to the subject of receivers. Being that it has been recommened that I get as much speaker as I can afford, I won't be able to spend as much on the receiver. That's not to say I won't be getting a decent one though, just that I won't be able to get a top notch receiver if that makes any sense. I'm currently looking at the Onkyo 876 because it's last years model and has a lot of the features and power I'm looking for. I can also get a decent deal on it($1300 instead of $1900 regular). I know that seems high, but I also live in Canada and that's just how it is. My local Paradigm dealer sells the Pioneer Elite line and obviously he is suggesting I purchase one of these instead. He said maybe the VSX-21, but I don't think it's as good as the Onkyo 876. I'm thinking I would have to step up into the SC-25/27 territory to be comparible to the Onk. Problem is, is the SC-25 would probably cost me $1700 and that's just a guess without getting a quote from the dealer. Just wondering if you guys could recommend a solid receiver for the Studio 100's. I want what's going to sound the best with these speakers and have the ability to drive them well.

I listen to about 40% music/30% tv/30% HT.

Thanks so much for your help and suggestions everyone.

I know I'm going to be addicted to this stuff fast!:D

Don't buy any equipment without listening to it!! Whether it is an amp, processor, speakers, tv, etc, it's your ears, your eyes and your money, and your preferences are unique.

You can always go to another retailer and listen to other brands of speakers and see if you find something you like. If you are going to put the investment into a new system (and want it to last decades), you better be sure you are buying the one you want.

Hey everyone. I've read through this entire thread and I've learned some things and had a few laughs along the way. This is my first post here, and I'm somewhat new to the stereo/speaker/HT game. I have recently read a ton of reviews and forum threads on the V5 Studio 60's and 100's along with various receivers to match them. I was hoping I could get some help from you guys.

My local dealer is going to give me a very attractive discount on the Studio series speakers, and he said that he always recommends I get the best speaker that I can afford because I'll have them until I'm 50(I'm 25 now). I agree with him, and I only like to spend my money once so to speak, so I'd like to step up and get the V5 100's instead of the 60's. If I can afford it I'll get the CC-690(dealer recommends the biggest center channel as well), the ADP-590's, and the Sub 12.

The problem is, my local dealer doesnt have the Studio series in stock so I can't listen to them. He only has the Monitor series which are sound nice, but I want something that sounds and looks better. I would have to drive 3 hrs one way to go to another Paradigm dealer in order to listen to them. I know that all of you are going to recommend that I make the drive because it's a small price to pay when considering spending so much on speakers. I guess I'm trying to avoid the drive and buy them based on the rave reviews the Studio series gets and from what everyone on here is saying. Probably a stupid move though hey?

On to to the subject of receivers. Being that it has been recommened that I get as much speaker as I can afford, I won't be able to spend as much on the receiver. That's not to say I won't be getting a decent one though, just that I won't be able to get a top notch receiver if that makes any sense. I'm currently looking at the Onkyo 876 because it's last years model and has a lot of the features and power I'm looking for. I can also get a decent deal on it($1300 instead of $1900 regular). I know that seems high, but I also live in Canada and that's just how it is. My local Paradigm dealer sells the Pioneer Elite line and obviously he is suggesting I purchase one of these instead. He said maybe the VSX-21, but I don't think it's as good as the Onkyo 876. I'm thinking I would have to step up into the SC-25/27 territory to be comparible to the Onk. Problem is, is the SC-25 would probably cost me $1700 and that's just a guess without getting a quote from the dealer. Just wondering if you guys could recommend a solid receiver for the Studio 100's. I want what's going to sound the best with these speakers and have the ability to drive them well.

I listen to about 40% music/30% tv/30% HT.

Thanks so much for your help and suggestions everyone.

I know I'm going to be addicted to this stuff fast!:Dthe Paradigm Studio v.5 series is some great stuff. its ok to do a blind buy.

Hey everyone. I've read through this entire thread and I've learned some things and had a few laughs along the way. This is my first post here, and I'm somewhat new to the stereo/speaker/HT game. I have recently read a ton of reviews and forum threads on the V5 Studio 60's and 100's along with various receivers to match them. I was hoping I could get some help from you guys.

My local dealer is going to give me a very attractive discount on the Studio series speakers, and he said that he always recommends I get the best speaker that I can afford because I'll have them until I'm 50(I'm 25 now). I agree with him, and I only like to spend my money once so to speak, so I'd like to step up and get the V5 100's instead of the 60's. If I can afford it I'll get the CC-690(dealer recommends the biggest center channel as well), the ADP-590's, and the Sub 12.

The problem is, my local dealer doesnt have the Studio series in stock so I can't listen to them. He only has the Monitor series which are sound nice, but I want something that sounds and looks better. I would have to drive 3 hrs one way to go to another Paradigm dealer in order to listen to them. I know that all of you are going to recommend that I make the drive because it's a small price to pay when considering spending so much on speakers. I guess I'm trying to avoid the drive and buy them based on the rave reviews the Studio series gets and from what everyone on here is saying. Probably a stupid move though hey?

On to to the subject of receivers. Being that it has been recommened that I get as much speaker as I can afford, I won't be able to spend as much on the receiver. That's not to say I won't be getting a decent one though, just that I won't be able to get a top notch receiver if that makes any sense. I'm currently looking at the Onkyo 876 because it's last years model and has a lot of the features and power I'm looking for. I can also get a decent deal on it($1300 instead of $1900 regular). I know that seems high, but I also live in Canada and that's just how it is. My local Paradigm dealer sells the Pioneer Elite line and obviously he is suggesting I purchase one of these instead. He said maybe the VSX-21, but I don't think it's as good as the Onkyo 876. I'm thinking I would have to step up into the SC-25/27 territory to be comparible to the Onk. Problem is, is the SC-25 would probably cost me $1700 and that's just a guess without getting a quote from the dealer. Just wondering if you guys could recommend a solid receiver for the Studio 100's. I want what's going to sound the best with these speakers and have the ability to drive them well.

I listen to about 40% music/30% tv/30% HT.

Thanks so much for your help and suggestions everyone.

I know I'm going to be addicted to this stuff fast!:D

You might fall into the same category as me but I could only afford one big purchase so I bought the CC-690 center channel and that's the only v5 studio I have at the moment. I don't actually regret my purchase either. For the rears I didn't have to have the ones paradigm made but eventually I'll get the studio 100 v5s for the front. Right now though I have some SVS SBS-01s for my fronts and I think they're doing great. Love the CC690 though best investment I ever made.

osofast...I sense some sarcasm in that reply:p

The only other speakers I wanted to buy were the Klipsch Reference series. RF82's, etc. I got a chance to listen to them and they were very in your face, and I think that has to do with the horns. I really wanted the Klipsch speakers to begin with because two of my friends have HT's with them. One with the some old 1970's models and another guy with the RF-62's with the matching surround speakers. I think they're both running older Onkyo receivers. They both sound pretty good in their homes, but I found that even the Monitor 11's sounded better when in a mock up HT setup at my local Paradigm dealer. My wife listens to a lot of music so I'm not sure that the Klipsch speakers will cut it. The Paradigm Studio series on the other hand are supposed to be a cut above for music and HT, and they look incredible as well.

I will probably make the 3hr trip and listen to the Studio 60's and 100's, although I really don't know what receiver/amp will be setup with them. That's the hard part...I don't think I'll ever be able to listen to the exact speaker/receiver combo that I'm looking for.

I think I'm going to be really torn between either the 60's or the 100's in the end. I think the CC-690 is a no brainer though. Go big or go home I guess.

osofast...I sense some sarcasm in that reply:p





I think I'm going to be really torn between either the 60's or the 100's in the end. I think the CC-690 is a no brainer though. Go big or go home I guess.

just a little:D
your on the right track:)

like i always say, go big or don't even get out of bed

Often you can upgrade with full purchase price within a year with your dealer. I've got 60s with a 690 on the way. It should be great with a good sub. I my have missed what sub you're going to use. If no sub, definitely get the 100s, but with one it's a tougher call.

osofast...I sense some sarcasm in that reply:p

The only other speakers I wanted to buy were the Klipsch Reference series. RF82's, etc. I got a chance to listen to them and they were very in your face, and I think that has to do with the horns. I really wanted the Klipsch speakers to begin with because two of my friends have HT's with them. One with the some old 1970's models and another guy with the RF-62's with the matching surround speakers. I think they're both running older Onkyo receivers. They both sound pretty good in their homes, but I found that even the Monitor 11's sounded better when in a mock up HT setup at my local Paradigm dealer. My wife listens to a lot of music so I'm not sure that the Klipsch speakers will cut it. The Paradigm Studio series on the other hand are supposed to be a cut above for music and HT, and they look incredible as well.

I will probably make the 3hr trip and listen to the Studio 60's and 100's, although I really don't know what receiver/amp will be setup with them. That's the hard part...I don't think I'll ever be able to listen to the exact speaker/receiver combo that I'm looking for.

I think I'm going to be really torn between either the 60's or the 100's in the end. I think the CC-690 is a no brainer though. Go big or go home I guess.

If you can swing it I would go with the 100's, but let your ears decide. When I demoed them both, the 100's had a "fuller" sound and I liked it quite a bit more even though I'd be using a sub.

I also realized that if I got the 60's I'd always long for the 100's:D..and I was coming from the 40's:p

The bad thing about the 100's over the 60's is that they need a little more power, so you'll really want to get an amp to power them to get the most out of them (and not damage them).

anyone get the 100's in piano black?yet

Often you can upgrade with full purchase price within a year with your dealer. I've got 60s with a 690 on the way. It should be great with a good sub. I my have missed what sub you're going to use. If no sub, definitely get the 100s, but with one it's a tougher call.

I'll have to check with my dealer about upgrading. I've never heard of that before. I may still end up going with the 60's, we'll see. If the 60's are great with a good sub, then the 100's should be outstanding with a good sub! No?

I planned on getting one Sub 12, but it's also over twice the cost of an Ultracube 12. These questions may be better answered in the Sub forum, but if I got 2 Ultracube 12's, would they just be louder than 1 Sub 12 without sounding any deeper? Is the Sub 12 that much better of a sub where it by itself would be the best option for me? I wish I could get my hands on a Seismic 12, to bad they're discontinued.

If you can swing it I would go with the 100's, but let your ears decide. When I demoed them both, the 100's had a "fuller" sound and I liked it quite a bit more even though I'd be using a sub.

I also realized that if I got the 60's I'd always long for the 100's:D..and I was coming from the 40's:p

The bad thing about the 100's over the 60's is that they need a little more power, so you'll really want to get an amp to power them to get the most out of them (and not damage them).

Eek, I don't want do hurt the speakers by underpowering them! This is where my dilemma is. Can the Onkyo 876 or the Elite SC-25 push the 100's properly? I wasnt really planning on buying separates at this time. I think it would end up being too much money for my budget compared to a decent receiver. The 876 or the SC-25 should have pre-outs so I could add an amp later on down the road, right? It would be nice if I didnt need to but if the options there, then I can later on.

I run seperate amps, but remember you only gain 3 db by doubling power. Most of the load is in the bass and by adding a sub you have that covered.

I'll have to check with my dealer about upgrading. I've never heard of that before. I may still end up going with the 60's, we'll see. If the 60's are great with a good sub, then the 100's should be outstanding with a good sub! No?yep, you got it:)

I planned on getting one Sub 12, but it's also over twice the cost of an Ultracube 12. These questions may be better answered in the Sub forum, but if I got 2 Ultracube 12's, would they just be louder than 1 Sub 12 without sounding any deeper? Is the Sub 12 that much better of a sub where it by itself would be the best option for me? I wish I could get my hands on a Seismic 12, to bad they're discontinued.I would just go for one Sub 12



Eek, I don't want do hurt the speakers by underpowering them! This is where my dilemma is. Can the Onkyo 876 or the Elite SC-25 push the 100's properly? I wasnt really planning on buying separates at this time. I think it would end up being too much money for my budget compared to a decent receiver. The 876 or the SC-25 should have pre-outs so I could add an amp later on down the road, right? It would be nice if I didnt need to but if the options there, then I can later on.you can get the 100's and keep the volume down a bit.

Karsty, where are you in Alberta?

I run seperate amps, but remember you only gain 3 db by doubling power. Most of the load is in the bass and by adding a sub you have that covered.

you can get the 100's and keep the volume down a bit.

^This is what I have done. I got the 100's and a cc690 but have yet to upgrade my reciever. Due to the cost of a decent receiver to power these speakers I have been waiting patiently for a separates solution (Emotiva).

My understanding (and chatanika covered some of this) is that the studio 100 will go down to near 3 Ohms load at low frequencies. Most AVR's will strugle to handle this, and that is why an extrenal amp is recomended. But if you are using a sub to play those low frequencies, then you really wouldn't need and amp.

Things you need to think about!

Karsty, where are you in Alberta?

I'm in E-town too. Southside. Summerside to be exact.

Where do you buy your Paradigm equipment? Laser Tech in Leduc is giving me a very good deal for the Studios. I have to go to Calgary to listen to them at another dealer though.

^This is what I have done. I got the 100's and a cc690 but have yet to upgrade my reciever. Due to the cost of a decent receiver to power these speakers I have been waiting patiently for a separates solution (Emotiva).

My understanding (and chatanika covered some of this) is that the studio 100 will go down to near 3 Ohms load at low frequencies. Most AVR's will strugle to handle this, and that is why an extrenal amp is recomended. But if you are using a sub to play those low frequencies, then you really wouldn't need and amp.

Things you need to think about!i plan to go a step above the studio 100's and get the Signature W5's with 2 killer subs.

I'm in E-town too. Southside. Summerside to be exact.

Where do you buy your Paradigm equipment? Laser Tech in Leduc is giving me a very good deal for the Studios. I have to go to Calgary to listen to them at another dealer though.

I sent you a PM. You don't have to go to Calgary.:)

I sent you a PM. You don't have to go to Calgary.:)

Thanks! I just talked to Andrew at Audio Ark in Edmonton. I'm gonna go listen to the Studio 100's and Sub 12 tomorrow. They sell some pretty high end audio equipment...this is gonna get expensive:eek:

Often you can upgrade with full purchase price within a year with your dealer.

Yes, this seems to be common practice. I know there is a Paradigm dealer in Calgary that does this. I wish I took them up on this offer. :o

Yes, this seems to be common practice. I know there is a Paradigm dealer in Calgary that does this. I wish I took them up on this offer. :oat full purchase price my dealer will also come to my home for a free setup/calabration.

Yes, this seems to be common practice. I know there is a Paradigm dealer in Calgary that does this. I wish I took them up on this offer. :o

Which dealer?

Thanks! I just talked to Andrew at Audio Ark in Edmonton. I'm gonna go listen to the Studio 100's and Sub 12 tomorrow. They sell some pretty high end audio equipment...this is gonna get expensive:eek:

Andrew was the guy I dealt with also. Yeah they sell some really expensive stuff there, its a good thing it was all way out of my budget,;)

When I demoed the 60's vs 100's I had them unnplug the sub so I could listen to them full range. This way I could really notice the difference between the two. With a sub in the way, you dont get a feel of what the speaker can actually do.

By the way, do you know what CC they happen to have there?

Yes, this seems to be common practice. I know there is a Paradigm dealer in Calgary that does this. I wish I took them up on this offer. :o

My dealer makes it sound like a Paradigm program, though it might not be. While I have no plans to use it, the full purchase price he mentioned is not MSRP, but rather I can credit the price I pay later if I want to upgrade. Hope that helps!

Which dealer?

Sounds of Music. There is another authorized dealer in town as well, General Audio, down by Chinook Shopping Centre.

By the way, do you know what CC they happen to have there?

Andrew said they have the CC-490 in stock but because the Studio fronts use the same tweeter, any of the Studio centers will match with any of the Studio fronts. I still want to get the CC-690though.

Sounds of Music. There is another authorized dealer in town as well, General Audio, down by Chinook Shopping Centre.

I phoned both of these a couple of days ago. I can't remember which one it is, but one of them is clearing their Paradigm stuff out because they are no longer a dealer for them. Not sure why though?

My dealer makes it sound like a Paradigm program, though it might not be. While I have no plans to use it, the full purchase price he mentioned is not MSRP, but rather I can credit the price I pay later if I want to upgrade. Hope that helps!

Indeed. It wouldnt make sense to get back more than you originally paid.

Thanks! I just talked to Andrew at Audio Ark in Edmonton. I'm gonna go listen to the Studio 100's and Sub 12 tomorrow. They sell some pretty high end audio equipment...this is gonna get expensive:eek:

I picked up my paradigm's and receiver from Audio Ark. Excellent pricing and good guys there.

I picked up my paradigm's and receiver from Audio Ark. Excellent pricing and good guys there.

What speakers did you go with, and what receiver to drive them?

I wish I could get my hands on a Seismic 12, to bad they're discontinued.


What's the going rate for a mint Seismic12? I have one I've been debating to sell to go up a bit.

what's the going rate for a mint seismic12? I have one i've been debating to sell to go up a bit.900

What's the going rate for a mint Seismic12? I have one I've been debating to sell to go up a bit.

I found one in Edmonton, Canada for $800 Can. and it was only 2 months old, supposedly mint.

What's the going rate for a mint Seismic12? I have one I've been debating to sell to go up a bit.

$900-$1200 depending on the condition and the terms. Check Audiogon, there are two listed at this time.

J.

Hey everyone. I've read through this entire thread and I've learned some things and had a few laughs along the way. This is my first post here, and I'm somewhat new to the stereo/speaker/HT game. I have recently read a ton of reviews and forum threads on the V5 Studio 60's and 100's along with various receivers to match them. I was hoping I could get some help from you guys.

My local dealer is going to give me a very attractive discount on the Studio series speakers, and he said that he always recommends I get the best speaker that I can afford because I'll have them until I'm 50(I'm 25 now). I agree with him, and I only like to spend my money once so to speak, so I'd like to step up and get the V5 100's instead of the 60's. If I can afford it I'll get the CC-690(dealer recommends the biggest center channel as well), the ADP-590's, and the Sub 12.

The problem is, my local dealer doesnt have the Studio series in stock so I can't listen to them. He only has the Monitor series which are sound nice, but I want something that sounds and looks better. I would have to drive 3 hrs one way to go to another Paradigm dealer in order to listen to them. I know that all of you are going to recommend that I make the drive because it's a small price to pay when considering spending so much on speakers. I guess I'm trying to avoid the drive and buy them based on the rave reviews the Studio series gets and from what everyone on here is saying. Probably a stupid move though hey?

On to to the subject of receivers. Being that it has been recommened that I get as much speaker as I can afford, I won't be able to spend as much on the receiver. That's not to say I won't be getting a decent one though, just that I won't be able to get a top notch receiver if that makes any sense. I'm currently looking at the Onkyo 876 because it's last years model and has a lot of the features and power I'm looking for. I can also get a decent deal on it($1300 instead of $1900 regular). I know that seems high, but I also live in Canada and that's just how it is. My local Paradigm dealer sells the Pioneer Elite line and obviously he is suggesting I purchase one of these instead. He said maybe the VSX-21, but I don't think it's as good as the Onkyo 876. I'm thinking I would have to step up into the SC-25/27 territory to be comparible to the Onk. Problem is, is the SC-25 would probably cost me $1700 and that's just a guess without getting a quote from the dealer. Just wondering if you guys could recommend a solid receiver for the Studio 100's. I want what's going to sound the best with these speakers and have the ability to drive them well.

I listen to about 40% music/30% tv/30% HT.

Thanks so much for your help and suggestions everyone.

I know I'm going to be addicted to this stuff fast!:D

I'm in the same situation as you. I have the sc 07 with the studio 20's, cc590,adp 390,atom monitors and sub 15. I would like to go up to the 60's or 100's but not sure if the sc 07 will power them well. Has anyone used the sc 07 or sc 27 with 100 v5 or 60 v5?

Hi,

I am a happy owner of the new pair of Studio 10 v5 speakers. Well, not 100% happy yet as 1) still waiting for the amp so can't try them out in my room yet; 2) dust cup on one of the speakers is glued a little off (quality control, hello?). Now, does the dust cup affect the sound at all or not? Talked to the dealer, he said that's fine and sound won't be affected at all... Is it true?

Hey everyone. I have looked everywhere for actual reviews of the Studio 20 v5s. I've been seeing pretty good deals on older v3 and v4's and don't know how they compare to the new v5s. Based on specs provided by Paradigm, it appears v4 and v5s are the same except for the new curved design.

If someone could send me a link or personal experience. I have heard the v5's and while I really liked them, don't have the money to fork up for the new ones and was looking at previous versions, but didn't know how they stack up.

Hey everyone. I have looked everywhere for actual reviews of the Studio 20 v5s. I've been seeing pretty good deals on older v3 and v4's and don't know how they compare to the new v5s. Based on specs provided by Paradigm, it appears v4 and v5s are the same except for the new curved design.

If someone could send me a link or personal experience. I have heard the v5's and while I really liked them, don't have the money to fork up for the new ones and was looking at previous versions, but didn't know how they stack up.
I don't know about the 20's, but check this out. I'd expect similar levels of comparisons with the 20s: http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/paradigm_reference_studio_60_v5_loudspeaker/

I don't know about the 20's, but check this out. I'd expect similar levels of comparisons with the 20s: http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/paradigm_reference_studio_60_v5_loudspeaker/good find

Hey everyone. I have looked everywhere for actual reviews of the Studio 20 v5s. I've been seeing pretty good deals on older v3 and v4's and don't know how they compare to the new v5s. Based on specs provided by Paradigm, it appears v4 and v5s are the same except for the new curved design.

If someone could send me a link or personal experience. I have heard the v5's and while I really liked them, don't have the money to fork up for the new ones and was looking at previous versions, but didn't know how they stack up.

I haven't heard the 20v5 only the 10's, they sound good. I have the 20v4's and love them. My system is 100v5, 690v5, 20v4, adp590v4 and sub 12. You can't go wrong with the 20's they are an excellent speaker.

Thanks everyone for helping me out with this. The review was very helpful. Yeah, I am happy that I stumbled across the Paradigm line and have a feeling will they will get a few of my paychecks in the coming years.

I don't think I will go wrong with either.

I'm in the same situation as you. I have the sc 07 with the studio 20's, cc590,adp 390,atom monitors and sub 15. I would like to go up to the 60's or 100's but not sure if the sc 07 will power them well. Has anyone used the sc 07 or sc 27 with 100 v5 or 60 v5?

I have an SC-25 pushing v5 60's and cc-690, the SC-25 replaced an Onkyo 806, the difference was quite noticeable. In my room I listen at -20 under reference and the SC-25 performs like a champ. Unless you going to play them insanely loud, any of the SC or a high end Onkyo will be more than up to the task.

Does anyone know if the cherry wood finish of the studio V5 line is anywhere close to the fake-wood cherry finish of the older v4 line? I have the v4 studio 100's now, with the cc-690 center and the servo-15 sub all in the front and I want to add some width speakers that match them sonically and visually. So I am going to stick with the Paradigm studio family, and will probably get the 20's on stands or the 60's floorstanding. But it's hard to tell with online pictures how well the color matches. The new v5's look darker, and obviously have the curved back. My dealer doesn't have them in stock for me to compare. Anyone else seen them side by side?

Does anyone know if the cherry wood finish of the studio V5 line is anywhere close to the fake-wood cherry finish of the older v4 line? I have the v4 studio 100's now, with the cc-690 center and the servo-15 sub all in the front and I want to add some width speakers that match them sonically and visually. So I am going to stick with the Paradigm studio family, and will probably get the 20's on stands or the 60's floorstanding. But it's hard to tell with online pictures how well the color matches. The new v5's look darker, and obviously have the curved back. My dealer doesn't have them in stock for me to compare. Anyone else seen them side by side?He may not have any v.5 cherry's in stock, but he should have finish samples with 2" x 2" squares of the black ash, rosenut and cherry veneers. If he doesn't, he should be able to get one from his dealer rep.

Does anyone know if the cherry wood finish of the studio V5 line is anywhere close to the fake-wood cherry finish of the older v4 line? I have the v4 studio 100's now, with the cc-690 center and the servo-15 sub all in the front and I want to add some width speakers that match them sonically and visually. So I am going to stick with the Paradigm studio family, and will probably get the 20's on stands or the 60's floorstanding. But it's hard to tell with online pictures how well the color matches. The new v5's look darker, and obviously have the curved back. My dealer doesn't have them in stock for me to compare. Anyone else seen them side by side?

The v5's with real wood I would say are definetely darker in color.
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1269907446&/Paradigm-Studio-20-v5
These pictures do a pretty good job of showing them in real life. If your looking to match colors.. I'd stick with the v4 (or even the v3's).

He may not have any v.5 cherry's in stock, but he should have finish samples with 2" x 2" squares of the black ash, rosenut and cherry veneers. If he doesn't, he should be able to get one from his dealer rep.

Good thinking, I'll ask him. Cheers.

The v5's with real wood I would say are definetely darker in color.
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1269907446&/Paradigm-Studio-20-v5
These pictures do a pretty good job of showing them in real life. If your looking to match colors.. I'd stick with the v4 (or even the v3's).

Thanks for the link... yes, they definitely look darker. I did ask my dealer about getting the older v4's and I have done some web searches looking myself, but I couldn't find any as they were phased out so long ago. So I'd have to buy used. I could always do that of course, but I'd prefer new. If the v5's color looks ok several feet wide of the fronts, I'd prefer to go with that setup. It's all a matter of WAF really :D

Well, I bought the studio 60's and now have them set up as wides either side of my 100's and am enjoying DSX in all its glory! And yes they sure are a LOT darker, but don't look too bad in the same room because at least the trim matches. They sound amazing though, and when I'm sitting in the sweet spot, all I see are the grills anyway. But if anyone wants to make me an offer on my 100's, I may accept and then go straight out and buy the 100's again in the v5's to match my new 60's :-)

But if anyone wants to make me an offer on my 100's, I may accept and then go straight out and buy the 100's again in the v5's to match my new 60's :-)now were talking, any pics of the new setup?

now were talking, any pics of the new setup?

Here you go... sorry the quality of the photos is not up to much, my flash isn't that great. We are also in the middle of remodelling (doing it myself so it is taking ages) so the entertainment center is unfinished and the floor tiles are half ripped up because I am putting wood flooring down. What a mess!
Anyway, this is just the front, with the sub hiding beside the small sofa in the front left corner, and you can't see them but I have 4 Paradigm adp-590 dipoles in the back. I am running 9.1 now, with the extra 4 channels being the SB and FW and using Audyssey DSX processing.

Here you go... sorry the quality of the photos is not up to much, my flash isn't that great. We are also in the middle of remodelling (doing it myself so it is taking ages) so the entertainment center is unfinished and the floor tiles are half ripped up because I am putting wood flooring down. What a mess!
Anyway, this is just the front, with the sub hiding beside the small sofa in the front left corner, and you can't see them but I have 4 Paradigm adp-590 dipoles in the back. I am running 9.1 now, with the extra 4 channels being the SB and FW and using Audyssey DSX processing.nice setup