I was recently talking to an employee of my friendly local Paradigm dealer, and was told the Studio v5 speakers were coming out very soon (ie. days/weeks - not months). I haven't been able to locate anything on the Paradigm web site - but then again, they didn't announce the last major upgrade early either. According to this source the new speakers are solid wood, not laminate, and have a tapered design - instead of the square box look.

I was hoping someone here may know if this was credible information - or just an evil rumor?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Thanks all,
Scott

That would actually be very good news as the laminate on the v4's always looked really cheap to me. But, that would make them awfully similar to the Sig's so I guess we have to wait and see.

My local dealer told me they were already out and that they were on his floor...I was not really shopping for them so I did not quiz him, so maybe he was BS'ing me.

My local dealer told me they were already out and that they were on his floor...I was not really shopping for them so I did not quiz him, so maybe he was BS'ing me.

I call BS!

I talked to Paradigm direct. They said the v5's have no date, and to check back after September when they have a big trade-show coming up.

I talked to Paradigm direct. They said the v5's have no date, and to check back after September when they have a big trade-show coming up.

Everyone does, it is called CEDIA ;)

I called my dealer in Toledo,Ohio and they said the Paradigm rep. was just is last week.

They are changing the look of the Studios to a curved back like the Sigs. and they were'nt sure if they will have real wood veneers.

Will know more info after CEDIA show. They took my name a number and said they would contact me when they knew more.

Ryan

That would actually be very good news as the laminate on the v4's always looked really cheap to me. But, that would make them awfully similar to the Sig's so I guess we have to wait and see.

Do what I did with 2 of my speakers. I just painted my PSB Alpha B1's blood red metallic. It fits in with the black oak desk very well.

Just out of curiosity I thought the Studio v4 were released less than a year ago.
There is a rumor going around in the industry that Paradigm/Anthem and Martin Logan are not doing too well financially(both companies owned by the same investment firm).

With all the quick model changes in the Martin Logan models recently and now this, something doesn't sound good. I guess nothing surprises me nowadays.

I think a a makeover would be cool. I think the Studio series is a great speaker series for the price, but I've never been partial to the look. A tapered cabinet and real wood would be great!

ShoreView Industries, a private equity firm, acquired both Paradigm and Martin Logan. Here are the growth objectives for Paradigm:
http://www.shoreviewindustries.com/portfolio/port2.htm

Paradigm isn't selling that well over here anymore. They are now seen only has HT dedicated speakers.

ShoreView Industries, a private equity firm, acquired both Paradigm and Martin Logan. Here are the growth objectives for Paradigm:
http://www.shoreviewindustries.com/portfolio/port2.htm

Isn't that something! So Paradigm isn't Canadian anymore either. Wow, what's next, Totem?

Hmmmm maybe Shoreview can teach them how to market their products better and shape up their business model.... Don't get me wrong, I love my Sigs and Studios, but some of their business methods are something to be desired...

I guess i have to wait just a little longer. I was going to upgrade my studio 100's v4's to signature s6. If the new Studio v5 series is all wood than i might jump on the new V5's.. I'll just have to wait little longer an see what happens.:)

Isnt the monitor series v.5 already out?

Isnt the monitor series v.5 already out?

Monitor v5 is last years, cause thats what I have. Titan mains and a CC 190 center.

Guys,

Did Paradigm manufacture all their speakers in Canada? The last part of that acquisition link read: Pursue additional low-cost sourcing and manufacturing opportunities in Asia.

Guys,

Did Paradigm manufacture all their speakers in Canada? The last part of that acquisition link read: Pursue additional low-cost sourcing and manufacturing opportunities in Asia.

Rumor has it some monitor line speakers are assembled in China, as well as some of B&W's entry line-up (600 series I believe).

You will never get a rep to tell you that though.

Rumor has it some monitor line speakers are assembled in China, as well as some of B&W's entry line-up (600 series I believe).

You will never get a rep to tell you that though.

Woodshed,

Thanks for the info. Personally, I don't care either way where the product is manufactured as the global economy is part of our daily lives in everything we purchase. Of course, I would hate to see jobs lost in Canada if they outsource to another continent, but as long as the build quality and component reliability are the effect, then it's the way of the world today.

You know, the made in China part could be a Not So Good Thing™. Look at what happened to M&K.
They started outsourcing to China, then suddenly and mysteriously, there started appearing on the market M&K knock offs, albeit with cheap drivers and crappy crossovers. Even had the M&K logo on 'em.
I'm not say that will happen, but going forward, I'd keep an eye on that series of speaker...

You know, the made in China part could be a Not So Good Thing™. Look at what happened to M&K.
They started outsourcing to China, then suddenly and mysteriously, there started appearing on the market M&K knock offs, albeit with cheap drivers and crappy crossovers. Even had the M&K logo on 'em.
I'm not say that will happen, but going forward, I'd keep an eye on that series of speaker...

Peter,

I understand your concerns and if I was a Paradigm fan, I'd feel the same. My only thoughts are if the current company owner, ShoreView Industries gives Paradigm the autonomy to keep the same dictatorship attitude they currently have in place, then there is little to worry about for the knowledgeable buyer.

Charles

Isnt the monitor series v.5 already out?

This thread is about possible v5 STUDIO, not Monitor.

Also, v6 Monitor just came out.

There really shouldn't be a problem with manufacturing in China as long as management knows what they are doing. M&K, as mentioned, is an example of outsourcing gone wrong but PSB is a great example of a company successfully outsourcing. It's because of this that they can keep their pricing on the Synchrony line.

Any news on a new Studio line at Cedia yet?

Any news on a new Studio line at Cedia yet?

This is the latest news i read so far about paradigm:

Paradigm is replacing its Signature Servo subwoofer with the new Sub 25. This beast has a 15" driver with a class D amp rated at 3000 watts RMS. It is supposed to be 5 dB louder than the Signature Servo. Paradigm's demo room had two of the Sub 25's; they were very impressive-sounding. Price is $3,999.

There really shouldn't be a problem with manufacturing in China as long as management knows what they are doing.

Exactly, take a look at Quad, PSB, and Usher (Taiwan but heck). Quad and Usher has some of the most praised cabinet quality in addition to getting rave reviews for their sound. PSB's lowest offering, the Alpha B1, has crappy material and construction compared to the other two but most people would prefer its sound. So it doesn't matter where it's made as long as quality control is good and the design and material choice are top notch.

First picture of the Studio v.5 speakers that I have come across from CEDIA.
Picture provided by UltimateAV.com show thread.

Whoa... Cool. So far the "rumors" look to be reasonably true! Definately the tapered case - can't tell on the wood from the pics. Still eagerly awaiting more info.... Anyone at CEDIA?

The new 20's perhaps???????

The new 20's perhaps???????

Very nice. Looking forward to some more info.

One quick question, I have just picked up a pair of Studio 60 v4s and was wondering if I should ensure I get the matching 590 before the v5 come out and I am unable to get it since it would be a perfect match OR will the newer V5 center channels be fine.

Keep in mind that I ideally do not want the center right now as my current condo does not have room for it but I would like to get one in the next 1-2 years. However, I just want to ensure that either the V5 centers will match well or if I should grab it in the next few months.

One quick question, I have just picked up a pair of Studio 60 v4s and was wondering if I should ensure I get the matching 590 before the v5 come out and I am unable to get it since it would be a perfect match OR will the newer V5 center channels be fine.

Keep in mind that I ideally do not want the center right now as my current condo does not have room for it but I would like to get one in the next 1-2 years. However, I just want to ensure that either the V5 centers will match well or if I should grab it in the next few months.

When you need the center then go find a used 590, im sure they will be out there if you spend some time hunting.

First picture of the Studio v.5 speakers that I have come across from CEDIA.
Picture provided by UltimateAV.com show thread.

whats the ultimate AV show thread?

whats the ultimate AV show thread?

http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/cedia2008/

Check this one out too:

http://blog.hometheatermag.com/cedia2008/

Any word on pricing of the new Reference v.5 line? Hopefully they don't raise the prices...

My contact that gave me the info on these coming out (who has been spot on so far!) also said he expects a 10+% price increase.

IMO, this is a given, and I expect we'll see the new price sheets soon.

My contact that gave me the info on these coming out (who has been spot on so far!) also said he expects a 10+% price increase.

IMO, this is a given, and I expect we'll see the new price sheets soon.


So, when did he say they're coming out?

My contact that gave me the info on these coming out (who has been spot on so far!) also said he expects a 10+% price increase.

IMO, this is a given, and I expect we'll see the new price sheets soon.

I really hope there are significant improvements if they are going to increase the price 10+%. IMHO an upgrade to the nice curved cabinets + real wood veneer just isn't worth 10+% price increase.

I really hope there are significant improvements if they are going to increase the price 10+%. IMHO an upgrade to the nice curved cabinets + real wood veneer just isn't worth 10+% price increase.Is Paradigm eliminating their lower priced speakers?

Is Paradigm eliminating their lower priced speakers?

I don't think so because they recently announced the Monitor v.6 line.

I really hope there are significant improvements if they are going to increase the price 10+%. IMHO an upgrade to the nice curved cabinets + real wood veneer just isn't worth 10+% price increase.

Problem is it would cost them more money (pretty close to 10% I would guess) to put this out. If you're a share holder of "Shore Industries", you'd be pretty pissed off if your stock dropped 10% because of an increase in cost of goods that was not passed on to the consumer.

If you have the .4's, I'd stick with them. IMO - if you want to change out your speakers every time a new 'version' is announced, then the old line wasn't 'good enough' to begin with and probably the new line won't be in a year or two either. :)

Supposedly on the 15th... which would be Monday.

Supposedly on the 15th... which would be Monday.What is happenning on Monday the 15th?

What is happenning on Monday the 15th?

I think the price list for the new studio v5's?

Supposedly on the 15th... which would be Monday.

So what was supposed to happen today anyways?

The new Studio line won't be out for another year or so.

I saw them at CEDIA and I thought they looked cartooney- looking. I didn't look closely enough to see if the wood is veneer or not.

If you are thinking of buying the current version, go ahead. Don't wait for Paradigm. Anybody remember the Diva iPod dock that was supposed to be out forever ago?

EDIT: They will have real wood veneers and the estimated release will be early 2009. Price lists were supposed to be released yesterday (the 15th). I don't know where they are.

New subwoofers will also be released early 2009. They will have the PBK "Perfect Bass Kit" as an option.

In speaking with my local dealer yesterday, he was told to expect v5 Studio line in the first quarter of 2009. Knowing what he knows after four years as a Paradigm rep (he had a Paradigm shirt on), the thinking was that meant late March.

Also, expect a price bump and curvy cabinets.

Any updates?

New subwoofers will also be released early 2009. They will have the PBK "Perfect Bass Kit" as an option.[/QUOTE]

Are there other subs coming out besides the sub 25

Ryan

The version 5 will be out by March. The version 4 are still a good buy because the new price increases did not affect the studio line. Everything else (except in wall) went up 5 to 10%. So its safe to say the version 5 studios will be a least 10% higher from missing this increase and costing more due to real wood cabinet.

My local dealer just put the Studio line on fire sale. Studio 100's down to 1799 and the 60's down to 1299cdn. I think the new line will be out long before march.

$1799 for the Studio 100's today and I just ordered my 2 x 100's at $2050 & 1 x 40 at $450 - $500 can't remember!:eek: Maybe seems how I never paid for them yet & they are still in transit, I can talk them into dropping the prices a little more.;)

If you have the .4's, I'd stick with them. IMO - if you want to change out your speakers every time a new 'version' is announced, then the old line wasn't 'good enough' to begin with and probably the new line won't be in a year or two either. :)

IMO, that's Paradigm's problem, they've upgraded their Studio line so soon, an owner feels the need to upgrade constantly, or be stuck with a "obsolete" version. Folks like me, who purchased the V3 model line 3-4 years ago, have little chance of getting any decent resale value after this. Learned my lesson; I'll never buy new Paradigm again.

Good news is there will be someone out there, who although recently paid a premium on a new 690 center, will feel the need to upgrade...Hello Audiogon:D

IMO, that's Paradigm's problem, they've upgraded their Studio line so soon, an owner feels the need to upgrade constantly, or be stuck with a "obsolete" version. Folks like me, who purchased the V3 model line 3-4 years ago, have little chance of getting any decent resale value after this. Learned my lesson; I'll never buy new Paradigm again.

Good news is there will be someone out there, who although recently paid a premium on a new 690 center, will feel the need to upgrade...Hello Audiogon:D

I have the v3's and went to listen to the v4's could not hear a difference to
warrant replacing them maybe in a side by side a/b things might be slightly
different not sure about the v5's have not had a chance to demo them.

ANY updates? prices? when? specs ?

any updates? Prices? When? Specs ?


+ 1

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I have the v3's and went to listen to the v4's could not hear a difference to
warrant replacing them maybe in a side by side a/b things might be slightly
different not sure about the v5's have not had a chance to demo them.

I agree with you 100% oz..... When I bought my .v4's from the dealer, I listened to the .v3's and .v4's side by side, but I chose to go with the .v4's just to minimize upgraditus... but honestly the difference was only slight, and not necessarily worth the extra money.

Prices since then have jumped 2 times already but now they are putting the same drivers in a new cabinet. But as I have stated before, I have a feeling that they will be upgrading Sigs very soon. They can't be thinking that they will have both the Studio's and the Signatures running in cabinets that are extremely similar. And the sound for many with an untrained ear, will be very close. How would one be justified by getting the Sigs at all..

I am out of town, and have the opportunity to listen to the Sig S6 & S8 .v2 for the first time in the morning. I have the S4 .v1, and I'm very happy with them, but will be looking to replace the Studio 100's in my great room in time. But I also have no problem waiting to see what the Sigs next iteration will be first....

I stumbled upon a high-res version of the v.5 studios on flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/glennqnyc/2866408503/sizes/l/

Thought it was worth sharing. I haven't heard any official release dates yet, however. :(

I stumbled upon a high-res version of the v.5 studios on flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/glennqnyc/2866408503/sizes/l/

Thought it was worth sharing. I haven't heard any official release dates yet, however. :(

My dealer told me the release date will be late January. The prices he suspects will be around $2299 canadian for the 60's and $3199 for the 100's. Since the dealer didn't get the price list from paradigm yet the prices are a guess, but the release date is pretty good.

Someone else caught this before me, but take a look at the Black Studio 60, It has an extra driver in there.... I wonder if they also changed it from a 2 1/2 way to a 3 way like the Signature S6. That would leave the Studio 40 the only 2 1/2 way in the lineup.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/2866408503_8fabbdb296_b.jpg

Someone else caught this before me, but take a look at the Black Studio 60, It has an extra driver in there.... I wonder if they also changed it from a 2 1/2 way to a 3 way like the Signature S6. That would leave the Studio 40 the only 2 1/2 way in the lineup.



Actually the black speakers you see on the left hand side will be the new Monitor 11's. The studio's will have the bigger cabinets and drivers than the monitors. The one in the middle is the new studio 20 V5 and beside that on the right hand side is the studio 100's.

Paradigm will revamp all their line with wood finishes instead of laminate. I heard this news from my dealer. They are pretty dead on with their rumors.

cheers,

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=118962&d=1220643285

As you can see in this picture the left hand side has the smaller cabinet paradigm speakers. These will replace the Monitor line or become the new monitor line. The 3 way design looks like the Monitor 11's the smaller one will be the Titan monitor. Like i said, these will be the new monitor or will replace the new monitor.

The bigger cabinet studio speakers will be the new V5's. As you can see in the picture the middle one is the new 20 V5 with the new studio 100 on the right hand side. This is all from my dealer, let see if it is true?

cheers,

Actually the black speakers you see on the left hand side will be the new Monitor 11's. The studio's will have the bigger cabinets and drivers than the monitors. The one in the middle is the new studio 20 V5 and beside that on the right hand side is the studio 100's.

Paradigm will revamp all their line with wood finishes instead of laminate. I heard this news from my dealer. They are pretty dead on with their rumors.

cheers,

I beg to differ, the monitor line is not getting a cabinet upgrade, just the studio line, and you can plainly see that the black cabinet has the Gold G-Pal tweeter and the White midrange driver...

That Black one is clearly the new Studio 60....
I also question the 2 different 2 way speakers, the one on the right appears to have a larger midrange driver...

Not sure where your dealer is coming from on that...

Here is the pics of the new Monitor Line..... with the Wenge veneer, they have already been announced. from ecoustics http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/506874.html
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/506898.jpg

I beg to differ, the monitor line is not getting a cabinet upgrade, just the studio line, and you can plainly see that the black cabinet has the Gold G-Pal tweeter and the White midrange driver...

That is clearly the new Studio 60....
Not sure where your dealer is coming from on that...

Here is the pics of the new Monitor Line..... That have already been announced. from ecoustics [

Like i said, if they are not the monitors than it could be a new line from paradigm or could replace the monitors. I heard this from the dealer, i guess still could be a rumors.

They are revamping the Studio Line with real wood finishes... they will discontinue the current boxy look to go with the more mainstream finishes that everyone else and their uncle is putting out for the same money, so if Paradigm wants to stay competitive in this market, they had to make a move.

I was also just at the dealer auditioning the Sig. S6 and S8 and had discussed this with the them and they were at the Show and saw them in person and confirmed all this.

I did not get info about the adding of a new speaker to the lineup though, but you can certainly see that there are now 2 - 2 way speakers in the picture.

We'll have to just wait and see when the announcement comes... :)

Did you guys notice that the Midrange and Bass Drivers of the black speaker are smaller compared to the Studio 20's and Studio 100's ???

Did you guys notice that the Midrange and Bass Drivers of the black speaker are smaller compared to the Studio 20's and Studio 100's ???


I just took the grills off my studio 100's and took a peak, it looks like all the drivers are the same on every speaker compared to my 100's except that one I have highlighted..... It looks to have a larger midrange then the others...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/speakers/Studiov5.jpg

Check out the following photo...

The Studio 20 looks bigger because the other speakers are standing behind from it. Now take a close look on the Midrange - Bass drivers of the first two speakers. They only have one screw on each corner holding them in place. While the Studio 20 and Studio 100 have 2 screws on each corner just like the V.3 and V.4 Studio Line.


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2770/studiovf0.gif


And here's the "Studio 60" and the Studio 100 side-by-side.


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3334/studiocompzy5.gif

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The oval port on what looks to be a jr to the studio 20 is new.

I can help clear things up...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/2866408503_8fabbdb296.jpg

The picture is of Paradigm's upcoming Reference Studio (version 5) line. Paradigm will indeed have two driver sizes available in the Studio v5 series, but actual naming is TBD. Why? Well, the word on the street is the new, smaller Studio models perform as-well-as or better than the current Studio v4 product. We'll see I guess!

glennQ

I can help clear things up...

The picture is of Paradigm's upcoming Reference Studio (version 5) line. Paradigm will indeed have two driver sizes available in the Studio v5 series, but actual naming is TBD. Why? Well, the word on the street is the new, smaller Studio models perform as-well-as or better than the current Studio v4 product. We'll see I guess!

glennQ

Thanks for the info glennQ. :)

I'm very interested in the smaller 2-way speaker (Studio 10 ???).
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they look beautiful.......i wonder what they would cost to buy :(

I just sold my Studio 40 v.3 upgrading to beautiful wood veneer Studio 20 :D

I took my damaged Studio 20v4 (with the warped drivers) in to get them replaced a week ago. The dealer asked me if I wanted a new Studio 20 v4 for a deep discount or wait for the new Studio 20 v5.

My dealer was ready to place a pre-order for the new Studio 20's. He spoke to a paradigm rep to get the price and shipping dates, and confirmed that the new line will be shipping in Jan 09. The Studio 20 v5 will be for $1200.The smaller bookshelfs will be called Studio 10. He said that in addition to the cosmetic changes, Paradigm have improved the "driver technology", so the new line should sound better as well. I didn't ask him for any specifics on that.

Considering the good discount I was getting, I decided to stick with a pair of new Studio 20 v4 and use the saved money to upgrade my old receiver and get a nice amp.

Hope I don't regret this decision in the future....

I took my damaged Studio 20v4 (with the warped drivers) in to get them replaced a week ago. The dealer asked me if I wanted a new Studio 20 v4 for a deep discount or wait for the new Studio 20 v5.

My dealer was ready to place a pre-order for the new Studio 20's. He spoke to a paradigm rep to get the price and shipping dates, and confirmed that the new line will be shipping in Jan 09. The Studio 20 v5 will be for $1200.The smaller bookshelfs will be called Studio 10. He said that in addition to the cosmetic changes, Paradigm have improved the "driver technology", so the new line should sound better as well. I didn't ask him for any specifics on that.

Considering the good discount I was getting, I decided to stick with a pair of new Studio 20 v4 and use the saved money to upgrade my old receiver and get a nice amp.

Hope I don't regret this decision in the future....

What good timing. I'm looking at studio 100's. Did you get an MSRP on the 100 v5's?

Any updates on this?

if you ask me they look like the Signature series as they are rounded in the back and looks like real wood. Yet, the mid range drivers are white, not gold like the sigs. The midrange phase plug on the "new studio 60" black speaker looks much larger then that on my studio 100 v.3 or the v.4's for that matter.

I just looked again and the rubber around the drivers looks to be changed also. Seems to be more "traditional look" with the rubber ( raised in a half moon. The rubber around my studio 100's v.3 dips inward around the driver and the driver is kind of suspended. Don't know if that makes sense to anyone? :p

What kind of discounts can I expect for the current v4 lineup if the v5 will be showing up in Jan 09.
Looking to purchase the studio 100, c690 and 2 pairs of studio 20s for the rears.
Anybody willing to get rid of them please PM me.

Thx.

I'd really like to get a set of Studio 60s. I have v1 Reference 20s from when they first came out and v1 Studio CC (CC-450 I think). I'd like to move the 20s to the back and get some 60s for the Front L&R. I have a MK sub from the same time (late 90s) with newer drivers from MK recommended for the included amp. Does anyone have a guess at the MSRP and street price for the new series? From an earlier post, it looks like the 60s might be more than I expected and am potentially interested in some gently used units if anyone is looking at ditching 60s or 100s.

I haven't seen or heard anything lately. Does anyone have any updates to report?

I haven't seen or heard anything lately. Does anyone have any updates to report?

A dealer is working on getting me info on me for v5 60s, and I'll let you know if he's able to find out anything.

I spoke to my dealer (in Houston area) yesterday regarding the V5s. The dealer advised they have received no official information from Paradigm. They have been Paradigm dealers for at least ten years.

Mike Sherman

I bought my v1 20s in 1996 (I think) from the dealer I've contacted, he told me that the v5 won't be available until next year of course. He said he was told maybe around mid-February with a design that looks like above. He told me that pricing was tentatively set at $2,500 for the 60s, subject to change.

From what a Paradigm rep told me, the smallest speaker in that group will be the Studio 20, making the 20 a true bookshelf speaker.

The larger of the two "bookshelf" speakers is the Studio 40, much like the old Studio 20.

The Studio 60 is the smaller tower and the Studio 100 is the bigger tower.

This was all about a month or two ago so stuff may change, but this is what I was told from a Paradigm factory rep.

-K

I do hope that the 40v.5 continue as a 2.5 way design. It offers much better detail than what a 2 way can offer at that price with the crossover parts they use.

I wonder if the new Studio 10 will be derived from the Signature S1.

I wonder if the new Studio 10 will be derived from the Signature S1.
Sure looks that way.

I do hope that the 40v.5 continue as a 2.5 way design. It offers much better detail than what a 2 way can offer at that price with the crossover parts they use.If you remember they did away with that design with the Monitor 5, so I'm sure they are applying that same logic to the Studio series now.

-K

I wonder if the new Studio 10 will be derived from the Signature S1.


The Signature S1 is a sealed design.......

The Signature S1 is a sealed design.......

I'm talking driver wise not enclosure.

If you remember they did away with that design with the Monitor 5, so I'm sure they are applying that same logic to the Studio series now.

-K

IMHO that is dumb logic on their part. The monitor series is their economy line. The Studio's are for the budding audiophile who craves detail on a budget. The Studio 40's I've always felt were the best value for the buck in their lineup. Normally, P-Dime has addressed improvement in each version from the top down. To reverse it is going against their tried and true strategy.

Any fresh news on the Studio v5 series?

I'm seriously looking at either the 60 or 100 for 2ch duties in my lounge.....

Same here. I'm looking-up this thread regularly but nothing tangible popped-up lately.

Same here. I'm looking-up this thread regularly but nothing tangible popped-up lately.

With CES looming, I doubt if there will be much news until then.

When is CES?

Google is your friend....

http://www.cesweb.org/

If you remember they did away with that design with the Monitor 5, so I'm sure they are applying that same logic to the Studio series now.

-K

Did away with what design? The 2.5 way function? Check again my friend.

v5 Studio will we officially introduced next week,
here is the FMV

Reference Studio/10 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 399.00
Reference Studio/20 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 599.00
Reference Studio/60 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 999.00
Reference Studio/100 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1499.00
Reference CC-490 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 799.00
Reference CC-590 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1199.00
Reference CC-690 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1499.00
Reference Sub-12 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1999.00
Reference Sub-15 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 2799.00

v5 Studio will we officially introduced next week,
here is the FMV

Reference Studio/10 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 399.00
Reference Studio/20 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 599.00
Reference Studio/60 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 999.00
Reference Studio/100 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1499.00
Reference CC-490 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 799.00
Reference CC-590 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1199.00
Reference CC-690 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1499.00
Reference Sub-12 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1999.00
Reference Sub-15 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 2799.00

Wow, how did you get this? I would like 2-Reference Studio/100 and 1-Reference CC-690. :D

Great to see some more info!

Hopefully there will be more info and specs available in the Paradigm website shortly.....

I was talking to my local dealer today (in Australia) and he has been advised that sonically these will be very close to the current Signature range!!

v5 Studio will we officially introduced next week,
here is the FMV...



Thanks for the info Chadfa. :)

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v5 Studio will we officially introduced next week,
here is the FMV

Reference Studio/10 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 399.00
Reference Studio/20 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 599.00
Reference Studio/60 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 999.00
Reference Studio/100 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1499.00
Reference CC-490 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 799.00
Reference CC-590 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1199.00
Reference CC-690 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1499.00
Reference Sub-12 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1999.00
Reference Sub-15 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 2799.00


No price for the Studio 40 v5 yet ???

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Go figure. Just got a pair of Studio 20's V. 4 ordered a day or so ago.

Whatever, I'm sure I'll be happy. Not like I could stop them from releasing future versions anyway.

Also looked like there might be a Studio 80?

The new Paradigm Reference subs look interesting! Maybe Paradigm will employ their "Perfect Bass Kit" upgrade like their new Paradigm Signature Sub25 uses...

glennQ

Talked to my local dealer today and he mentioned that it will be announced this week-ish...but that availability "likely" won't be until this summer-ish.

I'm actually going to visit him after work today--I'll let you guys know some more after we chat.

Paradigm keeps their cards close to their chest, but I'm thinking I'll have a new set of studios to play with before Valentine's Day. In the meantime, I'd bet you can find a killer deal on the current versions for those less trendy!

glennQ

Someone else caught this before me, but take a look at the Black Studio 60, It has an extra driver in there.... I wonder if they also changed it from a 2 1/2 way to a 3 way like the Signature S6. That would leave the Studio 40 the only 2 1/2 way in the lineup.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/2866408503_8fabbdb296_b.jpg
the drivers look smaller on the black studio 60.

Someone pointed out that the picture was distorted as that speaker is nearfield, so It appears bigger but not likely...

The Studio 10v5 and Studio 60v5 do utilize smaller drivers.

glennQ

v5 Studio will we officially introduced next week,
here is the FMV

Reference Studio/10 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 399.00
Reference Studio/20 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 599.00
Reference Studio/60 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 999.00
Reference Studio/100 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1499.00
Reference CC-490 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 799.00
Reference CC-590 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1199.00
Reference CC-690 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1499.00
Reference Sub-12 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1999.00
Reference Sub-15 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 2799.00

What's FMV? Fair market value? Is that like list price or a negotiated price?

No price for the Studio 40 v5 yet ???

.I'm pretty sure the Studio 40 is gone.

-K

Did away with what design? The 2.5 way function? Check again my friend.In a "bookshelf" design from Paradigm it is. Check again.

-K

I'm pretty sure the Studio 40 is gone.

-K

Apparently, same with the ADP's.

Apparently, same with the ADP's.

So there are no more dipoles in the studio lineup? That seems really strange.

That isn't the complete list of Paradigm Reference Studio products, just the core offerings to help dealers plan ahead. CES is this week; complete info is only days away.

glennQ

Okay, so I saw the new in-wall subwoofers from Paradigm:

http://www.electronichouse.com/article/paradigm_intros_2_pcs_series_in_wall_subwoofers/C157&cid=0&usg=AFQjCNFARZSBNRzJu_4dyh-kqPXA7mdeMA

Anyone near Suite 30-133 in the Venetian Towers to see what else new Paradigm has??

_Scott

Cool! First press-release on the v5 speakers I've seen:

http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/541804.html

Highlights of the fifth incarnation of Paradigm’s best-selling speaker line include beautifully sculpted cabinetry, real wood veneer finishes, upgraded bass/midrange driver technology, the smallest Studio Series bookshelf speaker ever and two powerful state-of-the-art subwoofers.

_Scott

Cool! First press-release on the v5 speakers I've seen:

http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/541804.html

Highlights of the fifth incarnation of Paradigm’s best-selling speaker line include beautifully sculpted cabinetry, real wood veneer finishes, upgraded bass/midrange driver technology, the smallest Studio Series bookshelf speaker ever and two powerful state-of-the-art subwoofers.

_Scott


Thanks for the link Scott.

Here's some pics:

Studio 10 - Studio 20 - Studio 60 - Studio 100



http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6375/studio10rosenut2nr3.jpg http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1304/studio20rosenut2pw6.png http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4886/studio60rosenut2hg2.png http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7203/studio100rosenut2ap2.png



Studio CC-490

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2507/studiocc490rosenut2qr0.png



Studio CC-590

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/9405/studiocc590rosenut2gc7.png



Studio CC-690

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9599/studiocc690rosenut2cn3.png


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Original pics can be found here (scroll down for the v5 models):

http://www.castercomm.com/gallery.cfm?cid=113


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This is great news, I've been considering upgrading from my Mini Monitor v5's to Studio 20's and a CC-590.

Can't wait to hear the new Studio's...any idea when they'll be out? Sounds like any time from next month through the end of the year. Hopefully I can hold off on upgrading until they come out; look much better than the v4's.

Any close-up pictures on the black finish? From the ones so far, I'm disappointed; it still looks cheap. I was hoping it'd be higher gloss, or that you could see the wood grain through it still.

I'll be purchasing Studio 100 or 60; Studio 20 (rears); Studio CC590 (center), ADP-590 (sides).

Do you think the Studio v.4's will be discounted once the v.5 come out?

My dealer made me an offer for 30% off on the v.4's last week and I am sure it was a good deal but I wanted to wait for the v.5's. I am going to get the Studio 100s (fronts), Studio 20 (rears), Studio CC690 (center), ADP-590 (sides). I have been waiting to buy speakers for a very long time.

Does anyone know the driver measurements for each studio speaker? Looking at the new photos its clear that the 10s and 60s are using the same midrange while the 20s and 100s use a larger one. I know that the different midrange driver has been discussed earlier as a optical illusion due to camera angle but the extra screws on the 20s and 100s are the give aways.

I think Paradigm made a very smart decision there, the gave the Studio 60 smaller drivers there by stopping the people questioning - "How much of a difference is there between the 60's and 100's "

You will get more SPL with more cone area out of the 100's for big rooms.
60's will work better for smaller room size.

I'm wondering if they are omitting some other speakers from the release, what about the ADP's

I think this lineup looks fantastic - Rosewood... YES !!!

But what they are not telling us here.... is what are they going to do to seperate the Studio line from the Signature line....

Studio 10's will work great for surround speakers in a smaller footprint then the 20's.

I really like the rosewood look as well. Dont understand the people who complain that they look cheap. Damn them for giving the 100s larger drivers makes me wonder if the extra grand would be worth it.

Those are some pretty looking speakers!

Does anyone know the driver measurements for each studio speaker? Looking at the new photos its clear that the 10s and 60s are using the same midrange while the 20s and 100s use a larger one. I know that the different midrange driver has been discussed earlier as a optical illusion due to camera angle but the extra screws on the 20s and 100s are the give aways.



Looks like a 5.25" bass/midrange driver for the 10's and 60's

Same 7" size bass/midrange driver for the 20's and 100's like previous versions.


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Paradigm sent this out today... :)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7394/screenshot4va5.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7964/screenshot1li1.jpg

• Cutting-Edge Technology Updates on all bass/midrange and bass drivers. Updates that promote the most linear performance ever in this series, as well as higher output, deeper bass extension and lower distortion

• NEW! Beautifully Sculpted Real Wood Veneer Cabinets

• NEW! Studio 10 … an all-new 2-driver, 2-way smaller compact bookshelf/stand model with a unique elliptical port that helps ensure bass performance that rivals larger models

• NEW! Studio 60 … redesigned with a smaller footprint to fit seamlessly into today’s popular home décor choices

• NEW! Studio CC-490 … teamed with the Studio 10, this compact 4-driver, 3-way center channel is the answer for those looking for a more compact size Studio system

• Redesigned, Removable Grilles and Kickplates to complement new cabinetry

• SUB 12 and SUB 15 … 2 Hot New Paradigm® Reference Studio Subwoofers with 3,400 watts Dynamic Peak power / 1700 watts RMS Sustained, as well as a host of distortion reducing features and much, much more … including an interface for the amazing Paradigm Perfect Bass Kit!

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2120/screenshot3ni8.jpg

Paradigm sent this out today... :)


• Cutting-Edge Technology Updates on all bass/midrange and bass drivers. Updates that promote the most linear performance ever in this series, as well as higher output, deeper bass extension and lower distortion

• NEW! Beautifully Sculpted Real Wood Veneer Cabinets

• NEW! Studio 10 … an all-new 2-driver, 2-way smaller compact bookshelf/stand model with a unique elliptical port that helps ensure bass performance that rivals larger models

• NEW! Studio 60 … redesigned with a smaller footprint to fit seamlessly into today’s popular home décor choices

• NEW! Studio CC-490 … teamed with the Studio 10, this compact 4-driver, 3-way center channel is the answer for those looking for a more compact size Studio system

• Redesigned, Removable Grilles and Kickplates to complement new cabinetry

• SUB 12 and SUB 15 … 2 Hot New Paradigm® Reference Studio Subwoofers with 3,400 watts Dynamic Peak power / 1700 watts RMS Sustained, as well as a host of distortion reducing features and much, much more … including an interface for the amazing Paradigm Perfect Bass Kit!

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2120/screenshot3ni8.jpg



EXCELLENT post GlennQNYC! Thanks for passing along the information. I didn't see anything on their website. Hopefully more info will be posted there shortly.

Sub 15 looks great. Might trade my servo at my dealer for one. Matches my sigs better.

EXCELLENT post GlennQNYC! Thanks for passing along the information. I didn't see anything on their website. Hopefully more info will be posted there shortly.Note that the document says that the Studio60 is a 2.5way but, afaik, the new v5 is a 3way.

Hey,

I'm a bit of a newb at home audio so I was hoping I could get some thoughts/recommendations for a v5 setup. I was thinking 100's for the front, 20's for the surround, 690 center, and the 15 sub for my home. Any thoughts from the experts (and compared to what I know you can probably consider yourself an expert) about this kind of a setup.

I haven't purchased the amp and pre yet, but for those I was thinking a Sherbourn 7200 for the amp and an Integra 9.9 for the pre. Any comments are welcome!

Thanks in advance

Guys, if anyone knows a dealer sitting on a new pair of Studio 20 v4 in black ash they want to get rid of at a good discount please PM me. Thanks!

Originally posted by Kal Rubinson:
Note that the document says that the Studio60 is a 2.5way but, afaik, the new v5 is a 3way.

I am confused as to how they are 3-way. The bass and bass/mid drivers look the same size as do the drivers on the Studio 100s. You can see a distinct difference in the drivers on the 3-way center speakers, but you can't see it in the towers.

Does anybody have info on the driver sizes for the new line. Also, what is so different about the drivers between the new Monitor Series V.6 and the Studio V.5 that drive the huge price gap? You can pick up the 7-driver CC390 for $100 less than the 4-driver CC490.

I am confused as to how they are 3-way. The bass and bass/mid drivers look the same size as do the drivers on the Studio 100s. You can see a distinct difference in the drivers on the 3-way center speakers, but you can't see it in the towers.

Does anybody have info on the driver sizes for the new line. Also, what is so different about the drivers between the new Monitor Series V.6 and the Studio V.5 that drive the huge price gap? You can pick up the 7-driver CC390 for $100 less than the 4-driver CC490.

3-way has nothing to do with driver size. It's about how the crossover divides the signal. In a 3-way the mid-woofer has the bass cut off. In a 2.5 way the mid receives bass.

Price has nothing to do with the # drivers. The little studio cc is more because of the quality of the components.

I am confused as to how they are 3-way. The bass and bass/mid drivers look the same size as do the drivers on the Studio 100s. You can see a distinct difference in the drivers on the 3-way center speakers, but you can't see it in the towers.First, the mid is obviously different from the woofers. Second, my observation was confirmed at the Paradigm CES exhibit.

Originally posted by THX1720:
Price has nothing to do with the # drivers. The little studio cc is more because of the quality of the components.

I guess I should have asked a little more detailed question. Yes, I know the quality should be better, but is it really "that much better" between the Studio and Monitor series to drive that price differential? It seems like you get a lot more speaker for the money.

Thanks for the answer on how a 3-Way is designed. I didn't know that, I thought there had to be 3-different sized woofers as the CC line is designed.

I guess I should have asked a little more detailed question. Yes, I know the quality should be better, but is it really "that much better" between the Studio and Monitor series to drive that price differential? It seems like you get a lot more speaker for the money.

Thanks for the answer on how a 3-Way is designed. I didn't know that, I thought there had to be 3-different sized woofers as the CC line is designed.

Well that is for you to decide. When I listened the Monitor v.5 compared to the Studio v.4 and the Signature v.2, I though the Studios were well worth the extra over the Monitor series but I would have had to think long and hard about the Signatures over the Studios.

Looking to upgrade from my Cinema 330's

I was at my local Minneapolis dealer and they had 20% off closeout on all v.4 Studio speakers. Only had the floor model of the cc-590 v.4 left and wouldn't budge from the flat 20% off...said 'new in the box' was 20% and the floor model that was used he couldn't do any better than the 20%....so I walked and I'm pretty erked that they wouldn't come down anymore on the floor model of the speaker being clearenced out.

So anyway, after thinking about it...I think I'm going to go for upgrading all three fronts.....so with the CC-590...also get the Studio 40v.4 for left and right.


Without talking specific prices on here...if anyone knows any dealers or individuals that might want a sale that has v.4 Studio gear to clear out....please PM me...I'm ready to buy.

Ron

Does anyone have any clue on Canadian pricing for the new v.5?

Does anyone have any clue on Canadian pricing for the new v.5?

I'm wondering the same. I'm also wondering about the dimensions as I'm trying to plan out my setup. Here's hoping that Paradigm will update their website with all the details soon.

Paradigm sent out the "full" data sheet on the RSv5 today. When I get home later, I'll add it to the thread.

Does anyone have any clue on Canadian pricing for the new v.5?

Is there US pricing somewhere that I missed?

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6479/screenshot2hx2.jpg



http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5387/screenshotlz0.jpg



http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/479/screenshot1zm1.jpg

Thanks for the info, glennQNYC. I see that this indicates and explains how the Studio/60 is still a 2.5way. I apologize for saying otherwise but, when I asked about this specifically at the Paradigm CES, it was agreed that it was a 3way. Guess they were wrong or misunderstood me. Guess, also, that's one way they get as much bass from the smaller cab and smaller drivers compared with the v4's 2 larger midbass drivers.

Anyone ever use the Reference Studio Esprit? I have a secondary application where an on-wall is ideal.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/804/screenshotye7.jpg

Anyone ever use the Reference Studio Esprit? I have a secondary application where an on-wall is ideal.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/804/screenshotye7.jpgi plan to in my game/living room

Yes, see post #100 of this thread for US FMV pricing.

So would the Studio 60's be a good match for the CC490??

It would seem so since they utilize the same drivers. That would be good news for me since I'm width limited on the center channel which has stopped me in the past from pulling the trigger on a LCR Studio setup.

Anyone have any information on when we'll start seeing the V5's in the US???

Anyone have any information on when we'll start seeing the V5's in the US???

RSv5 products have been shipping in the states for at least a week now... Call your local dealer(s).

glennQ

RSv5 products have been shipping in the states for at least a week now... Call your local dealer(s).

glennQ

Seriously? My dealer said he didn't expect them until April when I talked to him 2 weeks ago. Maybe he's gotten more news recently; he may be getting another call from me in the near future... :)

Does anyone know, or have an opinion/guess, as to why Paradigm has gotten rid of the 2.5 way bookshelf design? It was on my radar as a potential purchase...

Seriously? My dealer said he didn't expect them until April when I talked to him 2 weeks ago. Maybe he's gotten more news recently; he may be getting another call from me in the near future... :)

I think it may come down to who's in line first...

If the dealer in question has a high volume of sales, they will be getting products sooner then the lower volume dealers..... precedence...

Does anyone know when Paradigm is going to update their website?

Also does anyone know what colour the grill mesh is for the new .v5 Studios?
Black like the Monitors or grey like the Sigs?

Does anyone know, or have an opinion/guess, as to why Paradigm has gotten rid of the 2.5 way bookshelf design? It was on my radar as a potential purchase...

Paradigm still offers a "2.5 way bookshelf design;" the Signature S4.

glennQ

RSv5 products have been shipping in the states for at least a week now... Call your local dealer(s).

glennQ

Thanks for the info GlenQNYC! I'm surprised that they're available since they haven't even updated their website. I'll call around.

In the meantime I had a post I sent out a little while ago. I was hoping I could get a little feedback. I'm sure this is a simple question, but as I mention in my orginal post I am a bit of a newbie at home audio so I was hoping I could get some thoughts/recommendations for a v5 setup.

I was thinking 100's for the front, 20's for the surround, 690 center, and the 15 sub for my home. Any thoughts from the experts (and compared to what I know you can probably consider yourself an expert) about this kind of a setup.

I haven't purchased the amp and pre yet, but for those I was thinking a Sherbourn 7200 for the amp and an Integra 9.9 for the pre. Any comments are welcome!

Thanks in advance

So I noticed the Studio 20 v4's have a recommended power of 15-150W, with max. input power of 100W, while the v5's are spec'd at 15-180 and 110W max. input. First off, I guess "max. input power" means the max. recommended RMS power. And second, why are the values different? I though all they changed about the drivers were the surrounds on the woofers? Did they do some other electronic upgrades with the crossover or something too?

I think they are trying to give dealers time to sell out the v.4's. I am stoked I just ordered the 100's, cc690, adp590's and the sub -12 this morning.


Thanks for the info GlenQNYC! I'm surprised that they're available since they haven't even updated their website. I'll call around.

In the meantime I had a post I sent out a little while ago. I was hoping I could get a little feedback. I'm sure this is a simple question, but as I mention in my orginal post I am a bit of a newbie at home audio so I was hoping I could get some thoughts/recommendations for a v5 setup.

I was thinking 100's for the front, 20's for the surround, 690 center, and the 15 sub for my home. Any thoughts from the experts (and compared to what I know you can probably consider yourself an expert) about this kind of a setup.

I haven't purchased the amp and pre yet, but for those I was thinking a Sherbourn 7200 for the amp and an Integra 9.9 for the pre. Any comments are welcome!

Thanks in advance

They are indeed shipping, I just ordered a pair of Studio 60's and the 690 center, should be in sometime next week... Dealer said the Studio 100's are all sold, might be south east region or state wide not sure what context he meant.

So I noticed the Studio 20 v4's have a recommended power of 15-150W, with max. input power of 100W, while the v5's are spec'd at 15-180 and 110W max. input. First off, I guess "max. input power" means the max. recommended RMS power.

I am not familiar with how Paradigm determines their power ratings... But the "max power" rating is usually the maximum power the speaker can absorb before failing when playing a steady test tone for a substantial amount of time (think hours). Since most people do not listen to steady tones for hours at a time, most can far exceed the max rated power when playing dynamic material like music. I wouldn't have any problem at all recommending say, an Anthem Statement "A Series" amplifier (225w/ch) for the RSv5.

And second, why are the values different? I thought all they changed about the drivers were the surrounds on the woofers? Did they do some other electronic upgrades with the crossover or something too?

Paradigm completely redesigned the suspension on the bass and midrange drivers on the RSv5. I assume the higher power rating is a result of the new suspension providing higher mechanical (opposed to thermal) power handling since the voicecoil didn't change.

glennQ

Thanks for the reply Glenn. Didn't know all the suspension changed too; surprised Paradigm didn't mention that in the press release.

EDIT: Just noticed it is mentioned in the press release; must have mis-read it the first time.

One more quesion: Do the new Studio bookshelves require different stands than the v4's, since they have curved cabinets? (Basically, have the J Series stands had to be modified to work with the v5's)? I'm betting they're the same, but I'd like to make sure.

It's odd that we haven't seen any pics of any RSv5's with the grills on; either Paradigm really likes showing off the drivers, or the grills are cheap. I'm betting the former; they are awfully nice looking. :)

It's odd that we haven't seen any pics of any RSv5's with the grills on.....

This is one question I would also like answered, what colour are the grills?
Black like the Monitors or Grey like the Sigs?

Is there anyone who has seen them in the flesh able to supply an answer?

Or perhaps Paradigm could just update their website.......

This is one question I would also like answered, what colour are the grills?
Black like the Monitors or Grey like the Sigs?

Is there anyone who has seen them in the flesh able to supply an answer?

Or perhaps Paradigm could just update their website.......

If you look at one of the press releases on page 5, there's a small inset picture of the corner of the grills (Paradigm, why do you feel the need to tease us like this? :) ) Anyway, assuming that picture is representative of the production models, the cloth is either black, or an extremely dark gray. I'd love gray myself, but I'm not counting on it.

If you look at one of the press releases on page 5, there's a small inset picture of the corner of the grills (Paradigm, why do you feel the need to tease us like this? :) ) Anyway, assuming that picture is representative of the production models, the cloth is either black, or an extremely dark gray. I'd love gray myself, but I'm not counting on it.

It looks black from the little picture you're talking about. One interesting thing I noticed on the brochure is that Paradigm now says the grills can be on or off which is in contrast to the past where they were always very consistent about telling the consumer to keep the grills on.

If you look at one of the press releases on page 5, there's a small inset picture of the corner of the grills.......

Thanks for that, I obviously missed the pic!

Has anyone had the pleasure of listening to the v5's yet? I'm very anxious to hear how they sound compared to the v4's or even the sig 2's.

Also, the ADP looks very similar to the v4, has it changed at all? New drivers in the same cabinet maybe?

Has anyone had the pleasure of listening to the v5's yet? I'm very anxious to hear how they sound compared to the v4's or even the sig 2's.

Also, the ADP looks very similar to the v4, has it changed at all? New drivers in the same cabinet maybe?the word on the street is that the V5's sound more like sigs.

Has anyone had the pleasure of listening to the v5's yet? I'm very anxious to hear how they sound compared to the v4's or even the sig 2's.

Also, the ADP looks very similar to the v4, has it changed at all? New drivers in the same cabinet maybe?

Looked on the specs on the ADP's the new ones are 2db lower sensitivity and the mid range driver is smaller.
So unless there is a significant improvement in SQ the v4adp may be better
Regards
Knights

Looked on the specs on the ADP's the new ones are 2db lower sensitivity and the mid range driver is smaller.
So unless there is a significant improvement in SQ the v4adp may be better
Regards
Knights


Very interesting, good find.

When anyone actually gets to hear some of the v5s first hand be sure to post your thoughts.

Well after waiting about 2.5 years I finally dropped the dime and placed an order for a new v5 system consisting of:

2x Studio 100's
2x Studio 20's
CC-690
Sub-15
Pioneer SC-05 AVR

Because I live in Salt Lake City I was preparred for them to not budge from FMV and having to go to CA for a deal but I said I was praperred to pay cash if I got 15% off. The salesman was quick to say he could go 10% without getting permission and he left to call his boss. Well, about 5 minutes later he came back and said, "done!"

So, after a quick trip to the bank I returned with the check and if all goes well I should have the receiver next Monday and the Paradigms a week later.

BTW, I wasn't too impressed with the Rosenut so I went with Cherry.

I guess I'll take the next week and order some Blue Jeans Cable speaker wire and sub-woofer inter-connect as well as rework the Wall unit to handle the Pioneer SC-05.


Brian

Congrats on the purchase Raptorsys!

Make sure you post some pics when you have it all set up :-)

What didn't you like about the rosenut finish?

BTW, I wasn't too impressed with the Rosenut so I went with Cherry.Brian - please post a picture of the Cherry when you get them.

@Raptorsys: Congrats, I should have my v5's (60's, cc-690) next Friday, they will be in earlier but I won't have time during the week to go pick them up.

We did go with the Rosenut since our PB13 Ultra is Rosenut as well, what was so bad about it? We love the way our sub looks.

I have spent 2 days re-working my TV stand to accommodate that beast of a center, I think I finally got a configuration that's both functional and clean looking.

BTW, does anyone know if you can angle the cc-690 up a tad? Cause of it's size and the layout of our TV stand, it will have to go on the bottom shelf, so it will need to be angled up slightly.

Finally, I thought a deal on the v5's would be nearly impossible, a couple of dealers said they are not going to discount them, one offered a meager 8% but thanks to a forum member, I got an outstanding deal on my purchase. If your in the central Florida\Tampa area and want Paradigm's send me a PM and I can recommend a great dealer who will hook you up with minimal effort.

In any case, can't wait to hear these things :)

BTW, does anyone know if you can angle the cc-690 up a tad? Cause of it's size and the layout of our TV stand, it will have to go on the bottom shelf, so it will need to be angled up slightly.


Of course, why couldnt you?

I have a pair of black rubber doorstops under my CC690.....works for me.

From the pictures, It looks like the New 690 will be on a fully adjustable rubber cup type thing..... I would imagine you could choose any angle you wish...

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9599/studiocc690rosenut2cn3.png

LOL it looks like it comes with a crushed tweeter too!

From the pictures, It looks like the New 690 will be on a fully adjustable rubber cup type thing..... I would imagine you could choose any angle you wish...

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9599/studiocc690rosenut2cn3.png

LOL it looks like it comes with a crushed tweeter too!

WTF - LOL that is amazing.

Sorry I was not asking if it was OK to angle it, but if it had some sort of adjustable feet. Looks like it may, cool.

@Raptorsys: Congrats, I should have my v5's (60's, cc-690) next Friday, they will be in earlier but I won't have time during the week to go pick them up.

We did go with the Rosenut since our PB13 Ultra is Rosenut as well, what was so bad about it? We love the way our sub looks.

I have spent 2 days re-working my TV stand to accommodate that beast of a center, I think I finally got a configuration that's both functional and clean looking.

BTW, does anyone know if you can angle the cc-690 up a tad? Cause of it's size and the layout of our TV stand, it will have to go on the bottom shelf, so it will need to be angled up slightly.

Finally, I thought a deal on the v5's would be nearly impossible, a couple of dealers said they are not going to discount them, one offered a meager 8% but thanks to a forum member, I got an outstanding deal on my purchase. If your in the central Florida\Tampa area and want Paradigm's send me a PM and I can recommend a great dealer who will hook you up with minimal effort.

In any case, can't wait to hear these things :)


Yeah I am very excited to get this system and waiting, even a week, is going to be tough.

I don't think there is anything wrong or bad with with the Rosenut finish only that it didn't work for me.

Interestingly, my dealer called me this morning to tell me that the new Sub-15 is also available in Cherry and wanted to know if I wanted Cherry or Black. I was a bit surprised by this question as it was obvious from the pictures that the subs were available in Cherry and Rosenut in addition to Black. The "sales engineer" was not fully aware of the new version Reference line but they are still pretty new...

It looks like I'll be spending the next week or so looking at improvements in the room and component rack. I'd like to design and build a new wall unit with a component rack on one side and CD/DVD/Blu-ray storage on the other side and below.


Brian

What are the rounded parts (i.e. the vast majority of the surface area/cabinet) made of? Certainly not wood, as P specifically mentions only the flat pieces are wood, and it would be way too much labor. Fibreglas? Plastic? I don't really care that much what they're coated with internally if the base material is lame.

What are the rounded parts (i.e. the vast majority of the surface area/cabinet) made of? Certainly not wood, as P specifically mentions only the flat pieces are wood, and it would be way too much labor. Fibreglas? Plastic? I don't really care that much what they're coated with internally if the base material is lame.

Most likely MDF w/wood veneer.

What are the rounded parts (i.e. the vast majority of the surface area/cabinet) made of? Certainly not wood, as P specifically mentions only the flat pieces are wood, and it would be way too much labor. Fibreglas? Plastic? I don't really care that much what they're coated with internally if the base material is lame.

They're wood I'd bet, just not MDF. The press release notes that the top, bottom, and baffle are MDF. Since the curved back/sides aren't mentioned, I'd assume they aren't MDF; probably something lower quality with the wood veneer laid over it. I was wondering about this a while back as well, a definitive answer would be great.

Hey guys,

I've looked around, but I haven't seen anyone post this question, so I thought I'd ask it here...I am getting ready to purchase my first setup and since you all have much more experience with this gear I thought you might be able to give me your opinion on my options, and let me know if you think I'm making a bad pairing.

Per my dealer, I have the option of a pair of floor model Studio 100s v4 or a pair of new Studio 60s v5 at the same (discounted) price.

For the updated styling and "Signature-Series-like" sound that the v5s are rumored to produce, I am tempted to go with the v5 60s. But in the long run, I think I may be better off with the v4 100s.

I am looking to pair them with the new (yet to be purchased) Marantz SR6003 (100 watts). I'd wait for the SR7003 for a little more wattage and upgraded transformer, etc, but I am told there won't be one. (but that remains to be seen.)

There won't be a CC or sub in this setup for another few months. I just don't have enough experience with the 60s or 100s to know which is the better choice, and then once that choice is made... I'm wondering if the SR6003 is a "bad" choice. I could pick up an SR8002 but I'd really like the TrueHD and DTS-MA support offered by the SR6003.

I'd appreciate any pointers you may have. Thanks in advance... Don


Oh, and this is the only Studio v5 thread I found...if my post is off topic, please let me know where you think I should post. Thanks!

I'd appreciate any pointers you may have. Thanks in advance... Don



The size of your room will make a big difference for the recommendation. In a large room - I would think the v4 100's would be more desireable. In a smaller room, go with the 60 v5. More information on your desired use (music, movies, etc.) may also lead a little more useful advice.

_Scott

Similar to Don's question above^

Can anyone comment on the differences in sound for the 100 v5 versus the 60 v5?
They have nearly identical frequency response.
The LFE* (DIN*) are different at 29 vs 25. Not being an expert, I assume the LFE/DIN is in room specific. Actually I'm surprised the FR does not dip into the 30's for both of them.
Is Paradigm conservative with their published specs?

Of course FR is not the only consideration.

Is there a sound improvement for the $1000 price difference?

I want to upgrade from Energy bookshelf speakers in a 19x25 room that opens into the kitchen. I have an SVS sub, so the crossover will be set to the normal 60-80. Is bigger necessarily better?

I'm leaning toward the cc-590 as the center. the 690 is just too massive for my setup.

I can't wait to audition them both. I hope they sound as good as they look.

That's a big price difference, didn't realize it was that big of a difference. I remember I was looking at those two a couple days ago, and noticed the same thing about the FR being very similar. If it were me, I'd go for the 60's since you have a sub. (Keep in mind that I'm biased here, personally I don't even care for tower speakers that much.) But with that big of a room, maybe you'd be better off with the 100's, since they should have greater dynamic cpability...but then I'd be worried about the 590 getting overpowered (not sure if this concern is valid or not). Maybe you should find a dealer that has both of them.

If it were me, I'd go for the 60's since you have a sub.

That was my thinking also, that's why I went with the 60's and splurged on the cc-690. My system is 80-90% HT so it's all about the center channel for us.

On a side note, with the 100's on back order, I am surprised no one has posted any initial impressions yet.

Similar to Don's question above^

Can anyone comment on the differences in sound for the 100 v5 versus the 60 v5?



The Dealers haven't even gotten them in the show rooms yet, have a little patience. More and more info will be forth coming in the weeks to come. If that were my room, I wouldn't even think twice about it, I would get the 100's, but then again I like the ability to go extremely loud at times, but want it to stay clean and clear all the way up to the top. 100's will give you that over the smaller drivers of the 60's

As soon as my dealer gets a pair of both I will be doing some subjective listening for sure... Although I have my sites set S8's, I still love my Studio 100's .v4

I wonder if the weight specs on the new Studio 20 v5 is incorrect? The specs on Paradigms site for the 20 V4 states 43lbs per pair but the new ones are showing 70lbs and the new Studio 10's at 43lbs per pair. How could the new 20's be almost double the weight of the old 20's with almost the same dimensions? Maybe the 20v4 specs are wrong? I am also wondering how the Studio V5's can have a more "signature like sound" with only changing the rubber surrounds on the drivers and enclosure shape?The tweeter is the same isn't it?

I wonder if the weight specs on the new Studio 20 v5 is incorrect? The specs on Paradigms site for the 20 V4 states 43lbs per pair but the new ones are showing 70lbs and the new Studio 10's at 43lbs per pair. How could the new 20's be almost double the weight of the old 20's with almost the same dimensions? Maybe the 20v4 specs are wrong? Just wondering how the Studio V5's can be more "signature like sound" with only changing the rubber surrounds on the drivers and enclosure shape?The tweeter is the same isn't it?

I agree.... IMO you will not be getting Signature like sound.... I auditioned the .v2 S8's and S6's and they blow the Studio line away with a more ribbon like sonic signature to the Be tweeter and tighter and cleaner mids, plus they will handle much more power and stay cleaner at higher levels...

I loved the new Sigs but one obviously has to weigh whether almost double the money is worth it to them..... it is to me....

If you remember they did away with that design with the Monitor 5, so I'm sure they are applying that same logic to the Studio series now.

-K

Major Bump for this replay...they have done away with the 2.5 design because bass response and slam where the same in a 2 way design. I'm personally glad they are bringing a true bookshelf speaker to the Studio line as I really think a group of small bookshelfs a big center and sub make a great movie theater design.

Similar to Don's question above^

Can anyone comment on the differences in sound for the 100 v5 versus the 60 v5?
They have nearly identical frequency response.
The LFE* (DIN*) are different at 29 vs 25. .


I have a pair of studio 100 v3, basically the same as a v4 (add new tweeter/midrange same base response and slam). It is rated to hit 28hz din and it creates a lot of slam you do feel the base. I think you could go with both without a sub, the 100's of course are going to be better in a larger room paired with a larger amp. In the past the 60's have always been regarded as the best bang for you buck!

If your a music man get the 100's if your 50%/50% go with 60's. If your total HT then go with 4 of the 40's or 20's a 690 and a servo.

s. If your total HT then go with 4 of the 40's or 20's a 690 and a servo.

Factor in the cost of the stands and you might as well go with the 60's up front. Also,their ADP-590 looks bad ass but that will be on hold for a long time :(

I have always thought the 40s on good stands sounded better than the 60s. And the 20s on good stands sounded better than the 40s on crappy stands. Remember the 80s ?...now they were half-assed. It is true that to get 40s to outperform the 60s you needed good (read somewhat expensive) stands, so I can sort of see why they eliminated that model (stands+40 cost more than 60). Also, the 40s on not-so-good stands are kind of precarious...I eventuallly wall-mounted mine and they make great surrounds (20s for backs now). So overall, though I am not so keen on this new shape for the CCs, I can see the logic and practicality behind P's model changes.

Thanks for the quick replies...

To answer some of the questions, the room I am in now is smaller, but I am moving soon, into a larger home, so I am trying to plan for a larger room.

As far as use goes, I am definitely a music guy, but I will also be using this setup as the first pieces in my home theater, so I'd have to say it'll be used 50/50 for both stereo and HT. I will eventually be pairing this with a Seismic 12, or whatever the equivalent is at the end of 2009.

Does anyone have opinions on the SR6003? My dealer tells me that it'll push both the 60 v5s and the 100 v4s, but won't push the 100s to their potential.

I'm looking at the SR6003 over the SR7002 because of the updated audio format support (although its lacking in THX) and I'm hoping it doesn't have the firmware issues that I have read so much about with the 7002/8002.

Thanks, Don

I have always thought the 40s on good stands sounded better than the 60s. And the 20s on good stands sounded better than the 40s on crappy stands. Remember the 80s ?...now they were half-assed. It is true that to get 40s to outperform the 60s you needed good (read somewhat expensive) stands, so I can sort of see why they eliminated that model (stands+40 cost more than 60). Also, the 40s on not-so-good stands are kind of precarious...I eventuallly wall-mounted mine and they make great surrounds (20s for backs now). So overall, though I am not so keen on this new shape for the CCs, I can see the logic and practicality behind P's model changes.

Glad you posted this. I was having second thoughts about shelling out that much for Paradigm's J-29 stands for my soon-to-be Studio 20 v5's. The stands do look amazing though, and it sounds like it may be worth it after all.


To Don: I actually just went with the Marantz SR5003. There's a $200 price difference between it and the 6003, and the only things the 6003 adds are 10 more watts per channel, a USB input for music, and an extra HDMI output. To me, those features just aren't worth $200. One thing you might want to consider doing: bi-amp the front speakers. If you're only running a 5.1 setup, you'll have the 2 available channels if you get a 7.1 amp/receiver; might as well use them. This is what I plan on doing with the Studio 20's when I get them. Bi-amping the Studio 100's off of the SR5003 should give them plenty of power, since it's 90WPC RMS.

I absolutely love the SR5003. It sounds great (I mostly listen to music too), and MultEQ is awesome. I feel this is the sweet spot in Marantz's lineup. The model below it (SR4003) doesn't have MultEQ, has 10wpc less, and IIRC it's missing some inputs/outputs, plus it doesn't decode TrueHD or DTS HD-MA or HR, or upconvert to HDMI. And the model above it doesn't add enough features IMO to be worth the price difference, like I mentioned before.

I drove my Studio 20V3s with the SR6003 and was very satisfied. The overall sound was excellent. My only gripe is that the SR6003 was clearly running out of steam at around 94dB or so of output. The sound out of the 20's was definitely starting to get a little harsh as the amplifier starting getting into its distortion range. This was only with 2channels going. With 5 or 7, you will have even less power on tap.

So the question is, how loud do you play your music/movies? If you never break 90dB(which is pretty lound), then the SR6003 should be fine with Studio 100's. If you like to crank your music up to 100+dB, then you need more power. Frankly, even moving to the SR7002 or SR8002 wouldn't be enough juice to reach those types of SPLs. The extra 25 watts of power would barely yield you an extra .25dB of output. You would need more than 200 watts to drive a sub 90dB efficient speaker to those levels.

Sonically, the pairing of the SR6003 with the new 100's will most likely be a very good match.

Glad you posted this. I was having second thoughts about shelling out that much for Paradigm's J-29 stands for my soon-to-be Studio 20 v5's. The stands do look amazing though, and it sounds like it may be worth it after all.




The stands are worth the money.... they are built very very well, and they look fantastic IMO. Just put them on bar stools for a little while, and when you find the J-29 stands come up on audiogon (http://www.audiogon.com/), (search "Paradigm") snatch them up.. thats where I got my stands for my Paradigm Sig S4's....

There are none on there right now, but I see them there all the time.
Also videogon, and ebay have them from time to time...

I am thinking of upgrading my monitor 9 v5 system to the new studio 60 v5 system. This will be going in a room 13ft by 17ft driven by a denon 4308ci and used for mainly blue ray movies and the odd blue ray concert. I can get them for a good price but an audition is not part of the deal so does any body think I will hear a considerable difference with the upgrade.
Thanks,
Tony.

Glad you posted this. I was having second thoughts about shelling out that much for Paradigm's J-29 stands for my soon-to-be Studio 20 v5's. The stands do look amazing though, and it sounds like it may be worth it after all.

My point was to not overlook the stands; they become part of the speaker and must be considered more than just something to hold the speakers off the floor. Stands can be "tuned" too, along with speaker placement.

I would have to presume many stands come to Agon because people do what I did: you upgrade the fronts, then the old fronts become the surrounds, the old surrounds become the backs. And to get back/surround mounting heights of well over your seated head, stands are not so practical, so out they go, always in demand.

I am thinking of upgrading my monitor 9 v5 system to the new studio 60 v5 system. This will be going in a room 13ft by 17ft driven by a denon 4308ci and used for mainly blue ray movies and the odd blue ray concert. I can get them for a good price but an audition is not part of the deal so does any body think I will hear a considerable difference with the upgrade.
Thanks,
Tony.

Paradigm works very hard at producing an amazing sounding speaker.... I will state even without hearing them myself that the Studio line is a vast improvement over the monitor series.... You will have absolutely no regrets... and it would seem to me that the new 60 would be a perfect match for you with that size room.... my S4 Sigs are in a room that exact size and they are incredible.... louder then any of my friends can tolerate, but still clean as a whistle.

My point was to not overlook the stands; they become part of the speaker and must be considered more than just something to hold the speakers off the floor. Stands can be "tuned" too, along with speaker placement.

I would have to presume many stands come to Agon because people do what I did: you upgrade the fronts, then the old fronts become the surrounds, the old surrounds become the backs. And to get back/surround mounting heights of well over your seated head, stands are not so practical, so out they go, always in demand.

The stands I got off Agon were new in a box, there are alot of dealers that move product there to add to their sales, and the pricing is better then in the store. Thats the only reason I suggested Agon or Vgon... :)

[QUOTE=Warpdrv;15711187]Paradigm works very hard at producing an amazing sounding speaker.... I will state even without hearing them myself that the Studio line is a vast improvement over the monitor series.... You will have absolutely no regrets... and it would seem to me that the new 60 would be a perfect match for you with that size room.... my S4 Sigs are in a room that exact size and they are incredible.... louder then any of my friends can tolerate, but still clean as a whistle.



Thanks Warp I appreciate your imput; I think once uncle sam gives me some money back I see new speakers on the horizon. What your thoughts on the center the c690 over it's smaller brother.
Thanks again,
Tony.

Thanks for the replies guys.

Influence, Although I'm afraid I can't give you a specific dB level, I don't like my music painfully loud. Thanks for the perspective on the extra wattage as well. With movies, I definitely like to feel the movie as much as I hear it, but the Seismic will help with that, so I'm not relying on the Studios for their low end.

CJV - Thanks for sharing your experience with the 5003. Do the x003 series have user serviceable firmware? Not that there are any issues that I know of at this point, I'm just curious, because the 7002/8002 did not.

At this point, I think I am settled on the 100 v4s over the 60 v5s for their range and the options they provide. The 100s are floor model units. Although, one speaker cover has a tear in it and some of the pegs have broken off, so the covers would need to be replaced. (Do you guys leave the covers on or off?)

Given their condition, any advice as to what might be a reasonable offer or range on that set? 25 off list? 35? I've seen quite a range over the past year in the forums, so while I do want to pay a fair price, I also don't want to be rude.

Thanks again, Don

I had a sr5001 before I purchase my Onkyo 875, it wasn't bad i had it pair with my B&W 601 s3 and it was good. It won't have the power your looking for, the studio 60s/100s are on the boarder of needing a dedicated amp.

If must have Marantz buy a 8002 from accessories4less.com can't go wrong with those prices and service.

Buy the speakers in the store and the receiver online you'll get a better deal on most brands.

CJV - Thanks for sharing your experience with the 5003. Do the x003 series have user serviceable firmware? Not that there are any issues that I know of at this point, I'm just curious, because the 7002/8002 did not.

At this point, I think I am settled on the 100 v4s over the 60 v5s for their range and the options they provide. The 100s are floor model units. Although, one speaker cover has a tear in it and some of the pegs have broken off, so the covers would need to be replaced. (Do you guys leave the covers on or off?)


The 4003 is not upgradeable, and the 5003 and 6003 are upgradeable via an RS-232C cable. Hate to press my point again, but I think you'd be fine bi-amping the 100's off the 5003, especially seeing how you have a sub for the low end already, and given the in-room sensitivity of 91dB on the 100's. That'd be 180W RMS, I'd assume (as long as there aren't any odd factors coming into play with bi-amping that I don't know about). They're rated up to 210W max. input power, with power handling up to 350W. It'd be nice if the dealer could hook them up to a similarly-powered setup, so you could see if it makes a difference.

One thing I just learned on the 100 v4's: Paradigm's site says they're an 8 ohm speaker, but some people on here say they're a 4 ohm speaker, and they have an area in the upper midbass where they drop down to 2.5-ish. So whatever you go with, make sure the receiver can handle that low of an impedance, or do some more research to verify this. Sounds like they do like lots of clean power, but then again, what speaker doesn't? Seems like 200wpc is plenty for them, some people seem to be using less than 150wpc and seem happy with it.

Paradigm usually recommends leaving the covers on. Most people (myself included, on the Monitor series at least) say the speakers are too harsh with them off. If the fabric is torn, I'm sure you can either re-cover them yourself, or pay someone a bit to do it.

The pegs on the grill being broken off shouldn't be too big of a deal as long as the grill is still snug. You will want to make sure it doesn't rattle when you turn the speakers up, if you haven't checked already. Maybe they can order a replacement grill for you? I'd say if they can do that, then you should offer to pay 20-25-ish percent off of MSRP, since they're floor models. Totally made that figure up, it's just what I'd personally consider to be reasonable, assuming the speakers are in fine condition otherwise.

I am also wondering how the Studio V5's can have a more "signature like sound" with only changing the rubber surrounds on the drivers and enclosure shape?The tweeter is the same isn't it?

Don't underestimate the power of suggestion, especially the so-called "early word on the street". If one or two people post on a popular blog or forum, it takes on a life of its own. It's why Paradigm updates so often.

My take (and this is not based on anything - just my gut):, this round appears to be more surface. It's indicitive of a lot of electronics in this tough economy: make cosmtic improvements that don't require as much R&D. Then you have a new line to sell with mostly the same components. Add in some early hype, and you have a winner.

I'm not an expert, but I've owned a lot of different Paragigms over the years. I've always been partial to the smaller towers for Left/Right (having owned Monitor 7, Studio 60 v2 and v4). I'm pretty skeptical about the 60 v5 though. Smaller drivers, smaller enclosure, and the tweeter won't be at ear level (something that annoyed me about the 60 v2). Most of the components themselves are the same. As for the looks - well, there have been plenty of choices for the pretty red wood (ie. Rockets). I know I'm in the minority, but I prefer boxy black speakers. My couch, TV, sub, and most other components are black so it just fits better.

Given the economic situation, I understand the direction for this series, but I hope Paradigm does not change their overall priorities.

Don't underestimate the power of suggestion, especially the so-called "early word on the street". If one or two people post on a popular blog or forum, it takes on a life of its own. It's why Paradigm updates so often.

My take (and this is not based on anything - just my gut):, this round appears to be more surface. It's indicitive of a lot of electronics in this tough economy: make cosmtic improvements that don't require as much R&D. Then you have a new line to sell with mostly the same components. Add in some early hype, and you have a winner....You make some good points. A lot of reputation in CE -- especially in audio -- is based on a few boldly stated opinions which may or may not ever be supported by independently substantiated facts.

It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the economy, though. Its been basic audio marketing strategy for decades, through good times and bad. Many new models are driven by manufacturers desire to cut costs, improve cosmetics (which often drive sales) or just freshen the the line's image. Improved sound may or may not result, but will always be implied by product marketing and/or inferred by users.

This is an industry observation, not directed at Paradigm or the new Studio line, per se. I haven't heard the new Studios, much less compared them with their predecessors in a carefully controlled environment. But then, I don't think others posting here have either. ;)

Thanks Warp I appreciate your imput; I think once uncle sam gives me some money back I see new speakers on the horizon. What your thoughts on the center the c690 over it's smaller brother.
Thanks again,
Tony.

You don't really have a huge room to work with there, I am running the C3 with my S4's and its more then enough for that small room, great dispersion and clarity, I think if you were working with a much larger room then it may be beneficial to run the 690, I am running that center in my great room, 8200^3.... It does fine, do I notice a difference from one room to the next - not really. Just remember that either way the perfect match for a L R vertical speaker would be another vertical speaker, a horizontal speaker is a compromise in design, made for the consumer that couldn't place another vertical tower speaker in the middle. It all comes down to aesthetics, that is the only reason they made speakers that lay on their sides like this... The 590 will be great, I would assume you will be running a sub, so the possible added bass and more power handling will be inconsequential IMO..... My C3 has the ability to make peoples ears bleed as loud as I like to run my system.





At this point, I think I am settled on the 100 v4s over the 60 v5s for their range and the options they provide. The 100s are floor model units. Although, one speaker cover has a tear in it and some of the pegs have broken off, so the covers would need to be replaced. (Do you guys leave the covers on or off?)

Tell the dealer to get new grills or lower the price to make up for the cost of replacing them. He needs to move those speakers to make room for new, as well to replace his investment. I wouldn't want a speaker that has a ripped grill.




I'm pretty skeptical about the 60 v5 though. Smaller drivers, smaller enclosure, and the tweeter won't be at ear level (something that annoyed me about the 60 v2). Most of the components themselves are the same. As for the looks - well, there have been plenty of choices for the pretty red wood (ie. Rockets). I know I'm in the minority, but I prefer boxy black speakers. My couch, TV, sub, and most other components are black so it just fits better.

Given the economic situation, I understand the direction for this series, but I hope Paradigm does not change their overall priorities.

Honestly I think Paradigm has done a good job thinning the lineup to provide basically the most crucial and most flexible products for people. How high do you sit in a room, and how close to the speakers are you, not picking at you, but they do have adjustable feet so they can be flexible in aiming the speakers to your ears.

In my bedroom, I run the S4's on stands and they are not at ear level, as my bed sits a bit higher, so I just aim them in an upward direction to suit my needs and I have never had one issue or complaint.

The 60's IMO will provide more then plenty output in a medium and smaller size room, if you need more then jump up to the 100's.... Paradigms 2 1/2 way is still an extremely good sounding design..... the .v1 S4's are still a very impressive sounding speaker to my ears and they have gone up against lots of other speaker in my house during speaker shootouts.


Not to derail this thread but,
If you like big boxy speakers, take a look or listen if you can at Salk Speakers, they make an incredible product and Jim goes out of his way for his customers and will do custom jobs to meet just about any requirement a person could have, they truly are an amazing company with a spectacular product. Any color or finish you want, even a change in cabinet design.

Check out funkmonkeys one off HT3 speakers http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15523004#post15523004
Salk Sound even changed the cabinet from the original shape of the HT3's, http://www.salksound.com/ht3.shtml which IMO are ugly and look like coffins, but funk got exactly what he wanted. Or Nuance got a Ribbon Tweeter on his Song Towers instead of a soft silk dome tweet. I have heard them, they sound amazing.

How high do you sit in a room, and how close to the speakers are you, not picking at you, but they do have adjustable feet so they can be flexible in aiming the speakers to your ears.
...
The 60's IMO will provide more then plenty output in a medium and smaller size room, if you need more then jump up to the 100's....

Yes, I'm sure the new 60s are loud enough, and you can adjust the feet to point up, but the point of this thread is whether the v5's are better, not "good enough". If you are considering a pair of v5 60s for the same price as v4 100s, the v5's better be drastically improved. Given the price difference, we're not looking for the same. The question is will the smaller drives and curved enclosure actually sound significantly better? My guess is the answer is no. They would have made both of those changes years ago if they truly resulted in that much improvement.

The question is will the smaller drives and curved enclosure actually sound significantly better? My guess is the answer is no. They would have made both of those changes years ago if they truly resulted in that much improvement.I cannot answer the question at the moment but I would like to point out that, as with the new PSB models, new cone materials and the ability to make these curved enclosures are possible at these prices only now with automated tooling and machining. Prior to this, such technologies demanded hand construction and were limited to more expensive speakers. In the case of the new PSBs, the improvements are notable and I would expect they would be similarly successful for Paradigm.

We'll see.

Agreed Kal.... also to add to that, newer driver technologies have come about with companies producing longer throw drivers that have more excursion higher roll surrounds, that allow more linear and usable output with more motor control and less distortion..... The smaller drivers with a longer throw can actually be able to produce the same amount of output as a bigger cone with less excursion... simple physics in that calculation....

Take for example the JL F113 having a long throw driver with big surround has just about the same output as a Velodyne D18 sub.... 13" cone compared to 18" cone offering up roughly the same output...

I guess we'll see if the proof is in the pudding.

I still highly doubt the curved parts of these enclosures are made of wood. I am no woodsmith, but I know just enough that even offshore labor couldn't form that for these prices. I will bet it's some molded synthetic, and thus the "fancy" interior coating. Anybody heard good speakers whose enclosures aren't made of wood? The new PSB? I'm not really familiar with the small speaker offerings these days. I am quite curious, because as mentioned I ordered one of these CC-690 semi-footballs after thinking they'd look like the v4 which I heard. I suppose if I don't like it I can trade for a v4 with somebody local...some people always want the latest versions. New specs do look good though, and one driver is upgraded, so that's something for the v5.

I cannot answer the question at the moment but I would like to point out that, as with the new PSB models, new cone materials and the ability to make these curved enclosures are possible at these prices only now with automated tooling and machining. Prior to this, such technologies demanded hand construction and were limited to more expensive speakers. In the case of the new PSBs, the improvements are notable and I would expect they would be similarly successful for Paradigm.

We'll see.

How soon can we expect to see "Stereophile" reviewing the V5 Paradigms?

How soon can we expect to see "Stereophile" reviewing the V5 Paradigms?I expect a pair very shortly.

Thanks Kal! Looking forward to it.

Kal, what are the chances that you will remove a driver or two or all and snap off some pics for the interior build quality analysis... I really enjoy checking out the construction of different speakers...

Kal, what are the chances that you will remove a driver or two or all and snap off some pics for the interior build quality analysis... I really enjoy checking out the construction of different speakers...

I'd be interested in some pics like this too. The more we talk about it, the more I'm curious what exactly the sides of the cabinet are made of...maybe it isn't wood after all. I don't see why the sides couldn't be made of some sort of fiberboard though; I mean it's basically just compressed sawdust and glue, so I'd think you could form/press it into pretty much whatever shape you wanted.

Definitely looking forward to a review of some v5's...especially the 20's.

EDIT: Found out that the PSB Imagine series, which have curved sides similar to the v5 Studios, are made from 7 layers of 3mm thick sheets of MDF on the curved surfaces (according to a Sound & Vision review). I'd assume Paradigm uses a similar manufacturing technique on the Studios.

I don't see why the sides couldn't be made of some sort of fiberboard though; I mean it's basically just compressed sawdust and glue, so I'd think you could form/press it into pretty much whatever shape you wanted.

True, but I've never heard of it or seen anything like it elsewhere. It would be quite tough to get the pressures used making MDF to form something similar that isn't "flat". I'm sure Paradigm knows what they're doing and the sound doesn't suck, I'm just uneasy with some unproven-over-time manufacturing method. Magazines never talk about (projected) product reliability and durability when they do reviews of new products (I'm into that sort of thing).

I'd be interested in some pics like this too. The more we talk about it, the more I'm curious what exactly the sides of the cabinet are made of...maybe it isn't wood after all. I don't see why the sides couldn't be made of some sort of fiberboard though; I mean it's basically just compressed sawdust and glue, so I'd think you could form/press it into pretty much whatever shape you wanted.

Definitely looking forward to a review of some v5's...especially the 20's.

I know Paradigm has its curved cabinet for its Signature series manufacturing outsourced overseas to Denmark I think I remember, I will confirm when I find the answer.

I just pulled one of my drivers out of my S4 .v1 to see the inside and the interior is constructed of pressed wood (MDF type) to make the curve and then veneered over that. I estimate that to be almost 1" thick with comprehensive bracing, which would speak for the weight of the unit. I would have snapped off a picture, but it was stuffed with poly and I believe rock wool lining the side walls, which I am not taking out. I don't want that fiberglass type stuff all over...

Kal, what are the chances that you will remove a driver or two or all and snap off some pics for the interior build quality analysis... I really enjoy checking out the construction of different speakers...It is unlikely unless I need to replace a driver (it has happened with some review speakers) or some issue arises that motivates me to do so.

So I take it no one still has these in their homes, or a showroom yet? I have not gotten the official call from my dealer, but he assures me the 60's and the cc-690 have shipped and will be ready for me to pickup at the end of this week. Only the 100's are on back order. The anticipation is killing me... gonna be a long week.

cabinets are mdf with wood veneer.

I spoke with my buddy who is a Paradigm dealer he was disappointed in the new line, said the midrange driver was the major weakness. He said the v4 was a better model and they have them at 20% off. He said they got rid of the phase plug on the midrange and made it a dust cap.

So I take it no one still has these in their homes, or a showroom yet? I have not gotten the official call from my dealer, but he assures me the 60's and the cc-690 have shipped and will be ready for me to pickup at the end of this week. Only the 100's are on back order. The anticipation is killing me... gonna be a long week.

Your right, I've got the 100's on order, and they are not shipping them yet, were thinking they should make it here in the next two weeks, I was told my 590's/690/sub-12 are ready to ship but we are waiting so all can ship together.

Does anyone know of any boutiques that stock the Studios in Canada? Specifically Montreal. I am loathe to spend that amount of dough without hearing it first, and most of the paradigm dealers I've seen only sell the lower end models.

blimey, the cherry 100s look fine. g/f likes! after hearing the disappointing B&W Cm9s I am jumping ship to something else.

He said they got rid of the phase plug on the midrange and made it a dust cap.

Can anyone confirm/deny this? To me, the cone and phase plug in the pictures look identical to the v4 models.

EDIT: Sent Paradigm tech. support an e-mail asking about this, along with asking about when the site will be updated and when I can expect some reviews to surface; I'll let you guys know what I hear.

Can anyone confirm/deny this? To me, the cone and phase plug in the pictures look identical to the v4 models.

Not to stir the fire, but I sure hope Paradigm hasn't pulled the old "let's make the dustcap look like a phase plug", cheap speaker non-sense. Not on their Studio line anyway. What's next? Plastic tweeters spray painted to look like metal? Blargh.

I may be one of the first in the thread to have a v5 in da house... Ordered Friday am at dealer, arrived Tuesday am (they're closed Mondays)...not bad! Arriving here in 1 hour. It's only a 690, but better have the phase plugs as shown in brochure...I could not handle one more (IMO detracting) difference from v4.

Unfortunately I'm probably the worst person to get one. My HT is a disaster area. Another forum member is coming over tonight to help me change displays...a big deal to fit it in. All the amps are being changed out too. And worst of all, my Denon 3808, which I use as a pre-pro and is the centre of my HT sound (Audyssey), is in for repair with a broken Ethernet port (of all things...). I'll see what I can do though...may not mean much, but I can at least handle some visual aspects, and maybe some half-assed sonic comments based on an un-set-up system.

Your right, I've got the 100's on order, and they are not shipping them yet, were thinking they should make it here in the next two weeks, I was told my 590's/690/sub-12 are ready to ship but we are waiting so all can ship together.

Not exactly. Paradigm sold through their first batch of 100s right away. More are expected this week.

I may be one of the first in the thread to have a v5 in da house... Ordered Friday am at dealer, arrived Tuesday am (they're closed Mondays)...not bad! Arriving here in 1 hour. It's only a 690, but better have the phase plugs as shown in brochure...I could not handle one more (IMO detracting) difference from v4.

Unfortunately I'm probably the worst person to get one. My HT is a disaster area. Another forum member is coming over tonight to help me change displays...a big deal to fit it in. All the amps are being changed out too. And worst of all, my Denon 3808, which I use as a pre-pro and is the centre of my HT sound (Audyssey), is in for repair with a broken Ethernet port (of all things...). I'll see what I can do though...may not mean much, but I can at least handle some visual aspects, and maybe some half-assed sonic comments based on an un-set-up system.

Been almost an hour already!!! What gives??

Just kidding! Just anxious.

;)

Can anyone confirm/deny this? To me, the cone and phase plug in the pictures look identical to the v4 models.


This is easy to test just push in on the phase plug/dust cap if it doesn't budge then it is most likely a phase plug. If it moves with the woofer and looks glued to the woofer then it is a dust cap.

^ LOL...actually, it IS here! I didn't expect it to be quite so heavy, even though I know what 69lbs is. I cannot easily lift it by myself to the high place I was going to temporarily put it while we screw with the other gear tonight... But I will open it up now just for you :)

Edit: got a few bits of biz to do first after all. But it's S/N xx001...yikes!!

From my local Paradigm Dealer (largest in Midwest) ...

"studio 20 has phase plug on woofer, I don't know if a phase plug on midrange driver has that big of an effect."

^ LOL...actually, it IS here! I didn't expect it to be quite so heavy, even though I know what 69lbs is. I cannot easily lift it by myself to the high place I was going to temporarily put it while we screw with the other gear tonight... But I will open it up now just for you

Edit: got a few bits of biz to do first after all. But it's S/N xx001...yikes!!

pics pls.

Contrary to my speculation the other day about whether these "shapes" are made of MDF/wood, here's what I was told today: the curvy parts are made of laminated wood (commonly called plywood, which can be "bent" of course) using special machinery designed/built in Canada and shipped to China for the manufacturing. Not synthetic...

Edit: re the CC-690: midrange driver has a gold metal phase plug. The two bass/midrange drivers have gold plastic dustcaps. Two large ports in the back. Nice binding posts, 4 of those kind with the transparent plastic over "gold" (??) metal that are common these days. The cradle is fixed in position, and cannot be slid along the curve to adjust aiming angle. I got "black", and it looks like the old black ash finish, except with real wood (presumably, and of some ?? type) and grain...it is not lacquered smooth (good! IMO). Sure sounds (knock test) and looks/feels very solid. Actually looks a lot nicer than I expected from the few pics I've seen of the black v5s...I am MUCH happier than I was from my impression from the brochure! Bear in mind I had not even seen the brochure when I ordered, and had expected the v5 to look "mostly" like the v4 so was a little shocked at first.

From my local Paradigm Dealer (largest in Midwest) ...

"studio 20 has phase plug on woofer, I don't know if a phase plug on midrange driver has that big of an effect."Probably a bigger effect than the one on the woofer. ;)

So there's no way to tilt the new v5 center channels up or down?

So there's no way to tilt the new v5 center channels up or down?

No, not on the 690 and included at least. It looks like other/smaller models *may* come with other mounting options, but I don't know for sure as the manual is very general purpose and may be the v4 center manual with a v5 addenda page.

Reference Studio 10 v5 in cherry...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3045/3250763671_7f1918d848.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3325/3251581188_b6def88e77.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3260/3250760293_c67d2bb545.jpg

Very pretty and classy looking! Would be a shame to hide them in the back...:)

Just called dealer, he just off loaded my 60's and cc-690... he did not expect them in this early, sucks I can't go pick them up until Saturday (dealer is 2 hours away). Anyhow his quick early impressions: He said they sound like the signatures, the build quality is amazing, he has never seen a speaker at this price point with such a great build, he got the Rosenut like me and he absolutely loves the finish. He is so impressed he is ordering a pair of 60's for his home, not sure what he has right now. Was only on the phone with him for 10 mins, and he JUST got them in the store, but that's his early impressions.

Thanks glennQ for the pics and info. I can't wait to hear them.

Wow, that v.5 studio 10 looks gorgeous. Looks like my studio 60 v.3s are on their way out!!!

all I know is that cheap speakers use fake phase plugs (Aka Dust Caps) and expensive speakers use phase plugs. There is science behind this bullet shaped protrusion...I always thought good speakers were derived from the trickle down effect not vice versa.

If interested in zooming in... Full size images are on my flickr photo page (address in my sig).

glennQ

glen tell us do they have a phase plug or not?

Reference Studio 10 v5 in cherry...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3260/3250760293_c67d2bb545.jpg

Schweet.....those do look awesome from the back.

Considering the 10's look like the old 20's as far as size goes, I wonder how big the 20's are actually going to be?