The title says it all.

42 Blue Left 96 Dog Green and go for daylight.

Response says it all.

huh

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1055906

okay, go ahead and close the thread.

Please try looking in the section of the forum dedicated to owners of your display.:)

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Or pick up a test disc ... use it. If you have questions about how it works that you cannot understand ... we will help you out.

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Greetings

Or pick up a test disc ... use it. If you have questions about how it works that you cannot understand ... we will help you out.

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MichaelTLV, I picked up a TC-26LX85 two days ago and will be returning it this morning. The image has a severe red push and overbaked flesh tones. Bought a service manual online and found to my dismay last night that the RGB controls are disabled in the service menu, adjustable only via factory lab equipment. No desaturation, color space, etc., just a copy of the same color and tint controls found in the user menu.

The only fix I've seen posted for this problem in other Pannies is to lower the overall Color level to roughly 30% of factory default (which desaturates everything, unfortunately), then to enter the service menu and raise saturation of blue/yellow with the B-Y-G control. This simply turned everything yellow/green, as the image already starts out with deficient Blue in the brights and skin tones.

I started with the DVE disk, which proved useless with this much red hysteria and was even more useless in the service menu, so decided to try my EyeOne, HCFR, etc., in the service menu.

This set will be on its way back to the store in about 1 hour.

The title says it all.

OK, people, I stubbornly decided to keep the Panny at home and struggle with it. I've had the TC-26LX85 for about a month. The first thing I noticed in the image was the red push (typical Panasonic) and slightly less blue push. My EyeOne and HCFR readings confirmed this, as red is up about 15% and blue is up about half as much. The closest default settings use "Standard" mode and "Warm" temp. As the HCFR RGB and temperature curves show, these settings are as close as the Panny gets to D65, which isn't all that close. These are the RGB curves; below it is the temperature curve, which at least tries to stay somewhere near 6500.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=122971&stc=1&d=1225129302

Like the the original poster for this thread, I'm using this tv principally for 4:3 SD sources (S-video and Component), though I also have HD sources available via HDMI. The CIE chart shows that some colors are way off for an SD color space.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=122972&stc=1&d=1225129302

I didn't take color readings for the HD HDMI color space, but from what I could see the HD looks pretty much like the SD sources in most respects. The most noticeable difference is with analog cable thru antenna or cable box; as usual most of them look poorly colored no matter how much calibration you do.

After about a week of normal evening viewing I noted that the red push and overall color balance seemed to settle down a bit toward something looking fairly clean, with relatively "believable" colors and contrast. Flesh tones are still too red; a dark-skinned actor like Sidney Poitier looks purple, with more yellowy skin like Morgan Freeman's looking orange or green, depending on the scene's lighting. The dark "blacks" are definitely blue. The red push is evident in the bright reds, with dark reds tending to go purple -- another Panasonic trademark, IMHO.

The Panny's "dark" black level setting is just too dark, period. Stick with the "Light" setting. The "Cinema" mode has such low gamma that it always looks wahed out; stick with "Standard" mode, where the gamma stays at about 1.8 or so. As far as I can tell, there is no gamma adjustment and the backlight control doesn't seem to affect it.

I finally got my hands on the tv's service menu. Big disappointment. The number of image controls is a little slim, with no additional notes in the text about what the settings are for. The RGB white balance controls appear to be disabled. Some of the sub-menus contain an instruction to use the "ENTER" key as a "write" command, but the command doesn't seem to save any of the RGB changes. I didn't dare touch most of the menu items -- if I don't know what they do, I just LEAVE 'EM ALONE :eek:. There does not appear to be a Reset command in the SM, so anyone who accesses this menu had better record any and all default settings immediately -- not that it matters, as it seems that no changes are saved anyway.

Anyone with additional info on how to save SM settings is welcome to add any other info here. But for anyone tempted to enter this tv's service menu: If you don't know what a control does, STAY AWAY FROM IT! My only interest in this menu is finding a way to improve the color balance and saturation. Beyond that, I don't care about other items in this menu. The normal user settings for Brightness, Picture (Contrast), Color, and Tint seem more than adequate.

White balance menu: Apparently these control don't affect the overall lineup of RGB curves. They appear to affect saturation levels at the low and bright ends, but I haven't had time to experiment with them to any extent. There are RGB settings for each each color temp, but not for each input.

I've used the settings below for a few weeks now, and they seem to work equally well for SD and HD settings. CAUTION: These values work in my house. Your mileage may differ.

Picture Mode = Standard
Backlight = 40
Picture = 70
Brightness = 40
Color 33
Tint = 0
Sharpness = 35 (edges start blooming at 40)
Color Temp = Warm
Color Mgmt = Off
AI Picture = OFF
Zoom Adjust = Grayed unless Zoom is used
Advanced Picture:
Video NR = Off
Color Matrix = SD (grayed)
MPEG NR = Off
Black Level = Light

Service menu:
The only item for which I noticed any saved effect was in the "Adjust" sub-menu for the B-Y-G control, which appears to affect Blue-Yellow-Green saturation levels. This helped counteract some of the red push.

I changed B-Y-G from Hex 36 (default) to Hex 4A, after lowering the Color (saturation) from 50 to 32.

To enter the service menu, hold the Volume control "down" (-) button on the right-hand side of the set's display frame, and at the same time press the remote's INFO button 3 times within 2 seconds. You have only 2 seconds to perform this procedure. If you do it correctly, the audio will cut out for a couple seconds and the service menu rectangle will appear in the display's upper-left corner after about 10 seconds. If you don't notice the audio cut or see the menu, you either pushed the wrong buttons or didn't press INFO three times within 2 seconds.

To navigate to the main menu categories of "Adjust", "Wb-Adjust", etc., use the "1" key to move forward or the "2" to move backward. To access sub-menu items within each main menu, use "3" (forward) or "4" (backward). Adjust values in each item by using the "+" or "-" volume control on the remote or on the tv.

To exit the service menu, turn the tv OFF with either the remote or the power switch on the tv.

The small service menu also displays a few notes telling you that for some menu categories, "7" selects color temp and "9" selects Picture modes.

I may not know what the heck I'm looking at since I don't spend much time in front of the television other than during football season and major golf tournaments and watching DVDs, but, although I've only had it for about a week and a half, I think the Panasonic TC-26LX85 is a great tv. I used some of the picture settings I found on the internet for this model and I've managed to tweak it enough so the red push is essentially gone and the picture is lifelike and nearly three dimensional. I watched some college games and the NFL last weekend and I was blown away by how good the picture looked, and I don't have cable. I'm still playing with the backlight, brightness, and sharpness settings, but basically I've got the picture where I want it. As far as the red push goes, I've adjusted the tint setting so flesh tones look natural, and that seems to work for me. Obviously some of you are seeing more technical problems with the picture than I am, but I suppose ignorance is bliss.

I'm still playing with the backlight, brightness, and sharpness settings, but basically I've got the picture where I want it. As far as the red push goes, I've adjusted the tint setting so flesh tones look natural, and that seems to work for me. Obviously some of you are seeing more technical problems with the picture than I am, but I suppose ignorance is bliss.

I'm no fan of LCD's, but I agree that within limits the image on this 26" looks pretty good to me (but no match for my recently deceased CRT). Regarding this set's sharpness contol: I read in a review on the net (and see in my own viewing) that this set's sharpness control appears to have both edge enhancement and slight temporal noise reduction effects. Likewise, it's DNR noise reduction control appears to do much the same dual-purpose job. I use those controls only for really poor cable broadcasts. With DVD's they tend to introduce some mild but unwanted effects (why anyone needs DNR on a well-made DVD is a mystery to me!).

I experimented with your settings and those of the fellow who reviewed the 32" Panasonic which is a size step up from the TC-26LX85 and, for what it's worth, here are the settings I'm using at the moment...

Back Light 30
Picture 90
Brightness 50
Color 45
Tint +4
Sharpness 30
Color Temp Warm
Color Mgmt Off
AI Picture Off
Video NR Off
Color Matrix HD
Mpeg NR Off
Black Level Light