Has anyone here tried using a X-Rite ColorMunki to calibrate a plasma display?

I'm looking at the various packages that are available for calibrating my 151FD and the ColorMunki is interesting because it is part of the well regarded i1Pro Spectro family and is a bit less money. However, CalMAM does not appear to support it.

Louis

The ColorMunki has not been released to OEM's yet. When it has we will be the first to support it. Our pricing on the i1Pro is the lowest you will find and is not that much more than the ColorMunki.

Derek,

Thanks for your reply.

Part of my interest in the ColorMunki is that I can also use it for calibrating my digital photography workflow from monitor to printing for considerably LESS than the equivalent i1Pro package.

ColorMunki Photo (which includes the necessary software for monitor and printer calibration) plus CalMAN would come to a bit over $600.00. Whereas the same solution using the i1Pro looks more like $1,000.00 plus.

If I'm missing something here please let me know but getting a spectro at the lower price to serve all my needs is very appealing.

Thanks!

Louis

The ColorMunki has not been released to OEM's yet. When it has we will be the first to support it. Our pricing on the i1Pro is the lowest you will find and is not that much more than the ColorMunki.

I think your math is a little bit off. Lets just say that CalMAN did support the ColorMunki.

ColorMunki:ColorMunki Photo (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=colormunki+photo&cid=9288016343395175696#ps-sellers) ≈$450
CalMAN Professional (http://www.spectracal.com/purchase.html) (required for Spectro.) — $700

Total: $1150

EyeOne Pro:CalMAN Standard + i1Pro Bundle (http://www.spectracal.com/purchase.html) (special deal) — $700
ColorEyes Display Pro (http://www.integrated-color.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=CEDP-D&Category_Code=Display+Calibration) (superior display profiling) — $175
EyeOne RGB Output Module upgrade (http://xrite.gretagmacbethstore.com/index.cfm/act/Catalog.cfm/CFID/16759257/CFTOKEN/4551248/catalogid/1878/description/upgrade/browse/null/MenuGroup/%5F%5Fmenu%20usa%20new/desc/Eye%2DOne%20RGB%20Output%20Module%20Upgrade%20code.htm) (printer profiling) — $200

Total: $1075

Alternatively, you could purchase the EyeOne Monitor upgrade (http://usa.gretagmacbethstore.com/index.cfm/act/Catalog.cfm/catalogid/2727/Subcategory/Options%20%26%20Accessories/category/Eye-One/browse/null/MenuGroup/_Menu%20USA%20New/desc/Eye-One%20Monitor%20Module%20Upgrade%20code.htm), which is $75 less than ColorEyes Display Pro, and pay $1000 total.

Andrew,

Why wouldn't I be able to use the ColorMunki with the standard CalMAN? At this time, it doesn't look like any of the CalMAN versions support the ColorMunki but when it does, why not standard?

Regarding the i1Pro pricing option, why wouldn't I purchase the Eye-One Photo LT for less than $850.00 and CalMAN standard for $199?

It's sounding like CalMAN standard doesn't work with i1Pro outside of the "package". That would be disappointing. There are other items in the i1Pro Photo LT package that I need and aren't included in the CalMAN bundle.

Louis

I think your math is a little bit off. Lets just say that CalMAN did support the ColorMunki.

ColorMunki:ColorMunki Photo (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=colormunki+photo&cid=9288016343395175696#ps-sellers) ≈$450
CalMAN Professional (http://www.spectracal.com/purchase.html) (required for Spectro.) — $700

Total: $1150

EyeOne Pro:CalMAN Standard + i1Pro Bundle (http://www.spectracal.com/purchase.html) (special deal) — $700
ColorEyes Display Pro (http://www.integrated-color.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=CEDP-D&Category_Code=Display+Calibration) (superior display profiling) — $175
EyeOne RGB Output Module upgrade (http://xrite.gretagmacbethstore.com/index.cfm/act/Catalog.cfm/CFID/16759257/CFTOKEN/4551248/catalogid/1878/description/upgrade/browse/null/MenuGroup/%5F%5Fmenu%20usa%20new/desc/Eye%2DOne%20RGB%20Output%20Module%20Upgrade%20code.htm) (printer profiling) — $200

Total: $1075

Alternatively, you could purchase the EyeOne Monitor upgrade (http://usa.gretagmacbethstore.com/index.cfm/act/Catalog.cfm/catalogid/2727/Subcategory/Options%20%26%20Accessories/category/Eye-One/browse/null/MenuGroup/_Menu%20USA%20New/desc/Eye-One%20Monitor%20Module%20Upgrade%20code.htm), which is $75 less than ColorEyes Display Pro, and pay $1000 total.

It is my understanding that, with the exception of that bundle, you need to buy CalMAN Professional to use a Spectro, including the i1Pro. I don't see why the ColorMunki would be any different.

http://www.spectracal.com/meters.html

Perhaps Derek can comment on this.


Even if you could purchase the i1 Bundle version of CalMAN for $200, I wouldn't recommend it. You would be ≈$1000 for the EyeOne Photo LT package and CalMAN.

For $1000 you could get the CalMAN/i1Pro bundle ($700) the full RGB printer module ($200) and the display module ($100) so for the same $1000 you get a better package. (the printer module in the EyeOne Photo LT package is limited)

You could also choose to spend an extra $75 on ColorEyes Display instead of the EyeOne module, as it is regarded by many to be the best software around for creating display profiles.

Thanks! This is very helpful.

It is my understanding that, with the exception of that bundle, you need to buy CalMAN Professional to use a Spectro, including the i1Pro. I don't see why the ColorMunki would be any different.

http://www.spectracal.com/meters.html

Perhaps Derek can comment on this.


Even if you could purchase the i1 Bundle version of CalMAN for $200, I wouldn't recommend it. You would be ≈$1000 for the EyeOne Photo LT package and CalMAN.

For $1000 you could get the CalMAN/i1Pro bundle ($700) the full RGB printer module ($200) and the display module ($100) so for the same $1000 you get a better package. (the printer module in the EyeOne Photo LT package is limited)

You could also choose to spend an extra $75 on ColorEyes Display instead of the EyeOne module, as it is regarded by many to be the best software around for creating display profiles.

Update:

The ColorMunki Design and Photo are not going to be supported by CalMAN because they both include a UV filter built into the meter itself. So with the built in UV filter they are not appropriate to be used for video calibration but are more suited for print and textile calibration.

We will be supporting the ColorMunki Create (http://www.colormunki.com/product/show?product=create&is_designer_type=true) because its brothers with the Display2. The ColorMunki Create is not backwards compatible with any older software from x-rite including iMatch.

While the i1Pro is most certainly the superior device, it's unfortunate you couldn't implement the ColorMunki. It would have been my one stop shopping solution for monitor and printer calibration, not to mention CalMAN video system calibration, at a much lower pricepoint. Why can't the ColorMunki be used in CalMAN despite its UV filter? X-Rite sells an i1Design UV that can calibrate monitors, etc.

I've compiled a list of the differences between the two devices based on a recently released PDF (http://www.xrite.com/documents/literature/en/L11-254i1ProductComparison_082508_B.pdf) from X-Rite.


|i1Pro|ColorMunki
illumination:|bulb|LED|
mode:|ring|unidirectional|
spectrum:|UV-cut or no filter|UV cut only|
illumination spot size:|3.5mm|8mm|
measurement aperture:|4.5mm|6mm|
frequency in scan rate:|200Hz|50Hz|
spectral reporting:|10nm|10nm|
patch size, scan mode:|10mm x 10mm|20mm x 30mm|
automation:|iO|no|
inter-instrument agreement on BCRAs:|0.4ΔE avg|0.6ΔE avg|


Any chance we'll see a special i1Pro + CalMAN bundle like the Chroma5?

Also, I've read there are different hardware revisions of the i1Pro like Rev. A, B, etc. Which ones are you carrying and what are the differences between the revisions (speed)?

The i1Pro we sell is Rev D the latest and yes for the later revs it was an improvement in reading speed. Yes a UV model can calibrate LCD or CRT monitors but it is not well suited for them nor other display types so we decided to not support the ColorMunki Spectro because of the UV filter. We also recommend you don’t use the i1Pro with UV for the same reason. The UV filter models are designed for printer profiling since inks or paper can have UV properties.

The i1Pro + CalMAN bundle is as low as you will ever see it now. The Chroma5 bundle we had last month was to test a marketing and sales program we are working on and were loosing money on each order, that's why we only had it for 4 weeks.

The i1Pro + CalMAN bundle is as low as you will ever see it now. The Chroma5 bundle we had last month was to test a marketing and sales program we are working on and were loosing money on each order, that's why we only had it for 4 weeks.

Was it successful (in dispersing CalMAN to the masses)?

Was it successful (in dispersing CalMAN to the masses)?

Yes it was a huge success we ran short of Chroma5's and had to order more on the last day.

Looks like CalMAN 3.2 is being released NOW with ColorMunki Create support:

http://www.spectracal.com/release_notes.html

:)

Yes the ColorMunki Create is based on the Gamma5 which is also what the Display2/DisplayLT are based on. They are all the same meter just different software from x-rite. As far as I know we are the only OEM licensed to support the ColorMunki Create.

How much for the time machine?

CalMAN v3.2 Release Notes
December 8, 2008

:D


of course, Jimmy Buffet would sing that it's December 8th, 2008 somewhere...

Is build 160 for the EXE current or will there be a new build released tomorrow?

The current exe is build 168. We have posted a CalMAN v3.2 RC2 for download that was supposed to be for tommaorw but I guess the page went live before it's time.

The current exe is build 168. We have posted a CalMAN v3.2 RC2 for download that was supposed to be for tommaorw but I guess the page went live before it's time.I'm experiencing some serious problems with build 168. If I attempt to open a data file from a older calibration session, all of the graphs are screwed up.

Going back to build 165 :(

Damn, I was just going through this now too :(

All my old sessions are messed up. My last version was Build 160 (which I don't have anymore).

I should have known, Ed was telling me this in a PM but I didn't pay attention as the main subject was something else..

I think your math is a little bit off. Lets just say that CalMAN did support the ColorMunki.

ColorMunki:ColorMunki Photo (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=colormunki+photo&cid=9288016343395175696#ps-sellers) ≈$450
CalMAN Professional (http://www.spectracal.com/purchase.html) (required for Spectro.) — $700

Total: $1150

EyeOne Pro:CalMAN Standard + i1Pro Bundle (http://www.spectracal.com/purchase.html) (special deal) — $700
ColorEyes Display Pro (http://www.integrated-color.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=CEDP-D&Category_Code=Display+Calibration) (superior display profiling) — $175
EyeOne RGB Output Module upgrade (http://xrite.gretagmacbethstore.com/index.cfm/act/Catalog.cfm/CFID/16759257/CFTOKEN/4551248/catalogid/1878/description/upgrade/browse/null/MenuGroup/%5F%5Fmenu%20usa%20new/desc/Eye%2DOne%20RGB%20Output%20Module%20Upgrade%20code.htm) (printer profiling) — $200

Total: $1075

Alternatively, you could purchase the EyeOne Monitor upgrade (http://usa.gretagmacbethstore.com/index.cfm/act/Catalog.cfm/catalogid/2727/Subcategory/Options%20%26%20Accessories/category/Eye-One/browse/null/MenuGroup/_Menu%20USA%20New/desc/Eye-One%20Monitor%20Module%20Upgrade%20code.htm), which is $75 less than ColorEyes Display Pro, and pay $1000 total.

Where is CalMAN Pro available for $700? Their website is showing a price of $1799 for the software by itself.

Where is CalMAN Pro available for $700? Their website is showing a price of $1799 for the software by itself.That price was only thru 10/14.

I'm experiencing some serious problems with build 168. If I attempt to open a data file from a older calibration session, all of the graphs are screwed up.

Going back to build 165 :(


Same here just seems to happen if you open saved data even a curent one. Real time captures worked just fine. Hopefully they will have it turned around quickly.

Ok, got 160 msi back, hope this is no issues downgrading though.. :D

Damn, I was just going through this now too :(

All my old sessions are messed up. My last version was Build 160 (which I don't have anymore).

I should have known, Ed was telling me this in a PM but I didn't pay attention as the main subject was something else..

All of the data in the CDF's are fine even if you saved them back.

We enabled a feature to restore screen offset at the same time the data is being restored and using a screen offset value of 0 causes this. We will have a build out Monday that does not have this problem.

Thanks Derek, I assumed you would have a new build out soon, so I didn't even downgrade yet....

It will be up within the hour :)

CalMAN v3.2 RC3 is up http://www.spectracal.com/downloads.html

:)

so far so good except I lost my notes on a saved layout.. I need to poke around some more.

Edit: nvm,

Thanks for the quick turnaround Derek.

Update:

The ColorMunki Design and Photo are not going to be supported by CalMAN because they both include a UV filter built into the meter itself. So with the built in UV filter they are not appropriate to be used for video calibration but are more suited for print and textile calibration.

Have you had a chance to try the Colormunki design/photo?
How big of a problem is the built in uv filter?
How of an error would you get when using the built in UV-filter?

I hope you can answer some of my questions? :)
Regards
A

Have you had a chance to try the Colormunki design/photo?
How big of a problem is the built in uv filter?
How of an error would you get when using the built in UV-filter?

I hope you can answer some of my questions? :)
Regards
A
Derek is off at CEDIA, so let me take a crack. The UV filter is enough of a problem that CalMAN doesn't have ColorMunki on its support roadmap. It would be great to get a lower-cost spectro into users' hands, but this is, unfortunately, not the droid we are looking for. Things may change in another six months or a year, but if you are in a hurry, I would point you to a few other options (e.g., Chroma 5) right now instead.

Bill

Oki, thanks for the info.
Do you think its possible to remove the UV-filter? a modification?
/Adam

Oki, thanks for the info.
Do you think its possible to remove the UV-filter? a modification?
/Adam


No the UV filter is built in and even if you could the sensors are calibrated with the UV filter.

The i1Pro we sell is Rev D the latest and yes for the later revs it was an improvement in reading speed. Yes a UV model can calibrate LCD or CRT monitors but it is not well suited for them nor other display types so we decided to not support the ColorMunki Spectro because of the UV filter. We also recommend you don’t use the i1Pro with UV for the same reason. The UV filter models are designed for printer profiling since inks or paper can have UV properties.
Excuse me, it's a strange statement for me. The "UV-cut" filters only the i1Pro lamp light and is located after the lamp - the "UV-cut" works only in the reflection mode (printer profiling).
In the emission mode (display/projector calibrations) the lamp is not used, therefore "i1Pro UV-cut" and "i1Pro no UV-cut" get the same measurement results.
Am I not right?
I have both devices and I've never seen any differences between them in the emission mode (display/projector calibrations).

P.S. I'm sorry fo my English.