Hello,
I am a long time viewer, but a first time poster.
I'm in the market for a Hi Def Projector with 7000 + lumens, capable of projecting a 28 ft + picture from a min 50 ft throw. This is to be used in my Post Production Sound Facility. The problem with most projectors listed here is they are only 1000 or so lumens. I need a great picture to match the great sound we are mixing!:D I realize that CEDIA is around the corner so this post is to get some feedback pre and post of the trade show.
Preferably the units (min of 2) need to be $35,000.00 or less each. We will supply the picture with both hi def and standard def sources. Please give me a short list and why you chose the recommended picture. These units need to be VERY RELIABLE!!
We work around 18 hours a day, maybe 6 days a week.
To see my existing set up go to thedubstage.com
Thank you,
Marti D. Humphrey CAS

The Barco's, Christies, DPI's and so on are generally over budget, if that 35K a piece is a fixed budget. Unless you are willing to go for LCD or XGA/SXGA+ installation projectors you are probably going to have to spend around the 50K mark (and upwards) to get that amount of light.

Barco DP1200/DP1500
Christie CP2000M
Christie HD10K-M

Hello

Also budget in two relamps a year, and some machines use two lamps.


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It's great to be specific and clear about your objectives and requirements. However, your demands may have exceeded your budget. Have you spoken to any manufacturer reps? I sounds like you want a digital cinema display but aren't willing to pay for that level of performance and durability. Aren't you also going to require a first class anamorphic lens rig? Good luck.

Aren't you also going to require a first class anamorphic lens rig?


Why would he want to do that?

The Barco's and Christies Have servo lens memories, there are others with remote controlled lens that do not require refocus the DPI Titans and new SIM2.

The Titan has quite a few models suitable for that size screen. They just blow your budget by a bit.

Why would he want to do that?



To not throw out a quarter of a million pixels maybe.;)

Art

Those would not be true pixels but stretch pixels... we have been down that road.

I believe in a post production house the seating is going to be somewhere> than 1.3 screen width, not .8, so the need to soften the pixels a bit is not warranted (probably). The tell tale is the 50 foot TD. aND FOR MASTERING ADDING THE ANMORPHIC STRETCH just for monitoring seems like extra work.

I have been spoiled with the Barco's colorimetry which is the reference for precise rec 709 d65. The Titans have a filter that when engaged in conjunction with their xenon-mode color management will yield by far the closest color to the Barco that I have seen on any uhp lamped projector. I would use them as the most compact flexible and accurate. Christie's HD10km is a worthy new addition commanding a ridiculously high price due to it's newness.


HERE IS A TITAN (http://www.audiogeer.com/email/DP_CAVCheatSheet05.08.pdf) list price sheet FOR COMMERCIAL PROJECTORS.

A used 2K DCI projector is worth considering, especially if you don't need full compatibility with current DCI security and 3D features. Otherwise, the performance would be very close to current models.

Regarding lamp costs, they are surprisingly low for some of the most expensive projectors because the lamp alone is replaced, and not the entire lamp and reflector assembly. A typical 3kW Xenon lamp used in these units is about $650.

The Barco's, Christies, DPI's and so on are generally over budget, if that 35K a piece is a fixed budget. Unless you are willing to go for LCD or XGA/SXGA+ installation projectors you are probably going to have to spend around the 50K mark (and upwards) to get that amount of light.


Looks like Marti is looking to replace a 10K(?) Sanyo LCD installation/staging projector.

A used 2K DCI projector is worth considering, especially if you don't need full compatibility with current DCI security and 3D features. Otherwise, the performance would be very close to current models.

Regarding lamp costs, they are surprisingly low for some of the most expensive projectors because the lamp alone is replaced, and not the entire lamp and reflector assembly. A typical 3kW Xenon lamp used in these units is about $650.

At eighteen hour days and six day weeks this would amount to about 3900 USD a year for 1000 hour bulbs and 5000 USD for 750 hour bulbs.

For those who have kindly replied:
I am a Post Production Sound House that mixes Sound for Film and TV.
While I too would like to have the finest Projector available, there are reasons why I have a budget. I am not a DI room. You might be very surprised to see the quality of some of the “work copies” (client video) that we use to mix a Feature. There are reasons such as while we are putting the finishing touches on the soundtrack, simultaneously the clients are doing “DI” work. Add to that the word “piracy”. The clients don’t like to have the final picture and the final sound in one place at once. They have too much riding on releasing the “Feature Film”. I am an Independent facility and while overall budgets for “Features” have risen, Post budgets are getting smaller. Now since clients pay for my expertise in sound, it is very difficult if not impossible to get them to pay extra for seeing their picture in the very finest projection available. While this goes against what most of you in this Forum are about. You have a true love of the Art, but Art doesn’t want to pay more!:D I am asking those of you with knowledge in a field where I am not an expert. Granted I know a good picture, but people pay me for my ears. I would like to compliment that sound with a very good picture. It needs to be with a 2K capable projector that will play NTSC and PAL and Hi Def. Now if anyone has questions about Re-Recording for Features, I will gladly help answer your questions.
I hope this gives you an idea of my needs.
Take Care,
Marti D. Humphrey CAS

What size screen and what aspect ratio hd or cinemascope. Is the screen existent? is it acoustically transparent or solid?

Christie's HD10km is a worthy new addition commanding a ridiculously high price due to it's newness.




I'm wondering if the high DI on/off translates into a better picture if the native ends up lower. I think anything under 5000:1 native could compromise things with what might be considered a bandaid.

Is the HD10KM going to be at CEDIA ?

Art

I don't disagree, the Titan reference has 6,260-1, in a room that is not a black hole 6,260-1 begins to be "too much seq contrast":D. So yes a 5k-1 contrast would be more than enough for a work room like this.

We have to ask Runco. Make sure to include it in your plans . Runco could have three new projectors based on the hd6km, hd10km and cinema 2000M. All with servo lenses.

Is the HD10KM going to be at CEDIA ?

If it is, I trust you will be up their ass with a microscope? I certainly would If I were there.

Christie don't seem to be on the list of exhibitors. I also remember,a while back, someone saying they wont be there.:(

Runco are there so may be worth a look in view of Peters comment above.

The screen will be around 25- 28 ft. Right now I have a 28X12 which is a 2.35
I have a Film Projector that has various lenses including a "scope" lens but I haven't used the projector in over 2 years. Film in Post is dead. As for the screen, it will probably be a "Strewart Micro Perf" . A perf screen is a must since my speakers are behind it (just like a theater).The size may get bigger.
As for projectors, how are the Barco's? I know thy are more money, but how is the DP 90 P VS The titan 1080 P?

If it is, I trust you will be up their ass with a microscope? I certainly would If I were there.

Christie don't seem to be on the list of exhibitors. I also remember,a while back, someone saying they wont be there.:(

Runco are there so may be worth a look in view of Peters comment above.

I'll go to the Runco booth but in the past it hasn't been worth much. They have a dealer room off the main floor but I've not always been able to get in there.There they will often have an example of the whole line including the big units.

Art

The Christie will not be at show. No Runco rebage.

So no Christie HD10KM, no PD Helios. It looks like the 4K units will be it.:(
Art

No Sony 4k now as well. No hi contrast LED ether. Other then what is being talked about I think next year will be the better show.

Wow ! Three months ago I thought and said this would be one of the best FP shows ever.....:(:(

Art

Wow ! Three months ago I thought and said this would be one of the best FP shows ever.....:(:(

Art

Me too. I was totally stoked. Its a frikkin turd fest.

I'm sure there will be plenty other things, but the PJs were my main interest.

Guys,
Before this becomes more OT, I want to let you know I may have my answer.
Thanks for all that helped. I will post here in the future and let you know what I found and bought.
Thanks again.
Marti

The older post barco you mentioned the DP90? Since you require 2K, not mearly HD, your options became limited, DPI has a couple of 2K machines, but they retail for around 90K, according the pricelist Peter linked to. The new Barco 1200 might be 50-60K.

The older post barco you mentioned the DP90? Since you require 2K, not mearly HD, your options became limited, DPI has a couple of 2K machines, but they retail for around 90K, according the pricelist Peter linked to. The new Barco 1200 might be 50-60K.

Hi Donald, the DP90 is a 2K projector. DP90P (for post production comes with the communicator post production version) It is exactly the same like DP100 only sans IREM rectifier and only for lamps up to 4KW

The screen will be around 25- 28 ft. Right now I have a 28X12 which is a 2.35
I have a Film Projector that has various lenses including a "scope" lens but I haven't used the projector in over 2 years. Film in Post is dead. As for the screen, it will probably be a "Strewart Micro Perf" . A perf screen is a must since my speakers are behind it (just like a theater).The size may get bigger.

As for projectors, how are the Barco's? I know thy are more money, but how is the DP 90 P VS The titan 1080 P?

The Barco will win in terms of PQ and colorimetry, the Titan can be configured for more contrast, but so can the Barco.

30 foot wide Stewart Microperf is serious coin.

With a 50 foot td you want the 1.87-2-5 lens or greater range, nothing lesser as it will compromise the resolution quite a bit. According to that your screen should be +- 20 to 26 wide if you limit it to 24 there are some people that would recommend another brand of perforated screen which now is being used for your type of application. The Big Kahuna got two.

Peter,
Thank you for all your help!
Take care,
Marti

The Christie will not be at show. No Runco rebage.


The Christie HD10K-M will be at the show according to Christie. My source tells me they will use the projector in booth 813.

I think you'll need to keep your fingers crossed for major price reductions with increases in performance at CEDIA to fit your budget and your spec's. The smaller Christie HD6K-M at 5,100 lumens isn't even within your budget or fill your spec's. The Barco's and Digital Projections are in virtually the same boat. We'll just have to wait and see what surprises CEDIA has to offer.

http://www.cedia.net/expo/new_expo/ExhibitLevel.pdf