Hi... Sorry in advance for the length of this...

I have a few questions about calibrating a few different displays (for a few different family/friends...)... I'm familiarizing myself with the HCFR software, deciding between colorimeters, etc... but there are just a few things I need a little help with:

1. I have someone with an SD CRT who wants, even if the settings can't be altered, to see how far off his D65/primary/secondary points are... the AVSHD disc is for HD content, I need these patterns readable by an SD DVD player... I have DVE, but have read that it's full screen patterns aren't proper for primaries/secondaries, something about CRTs decreasing their output to maintain average-picture-level... where can I find the windowed patterns for not-a-lot-of-bucks... similar to the AVSHD disc?

2. I have a friend with a Phillips HD, CRT Re/Pro. At the moment, he is only viewing SD content.

a) Should this therefore be calibrated using SD primary points (also D65, secondaries) or still HD?

b) Are CRT Re/Pros susceptible to the same thing that makes the windowed patterns more appealing for CRT direct views?

c) I already did an elementary calibration for him using DVE... he's very happy, but I think I can do better: after setting color/tint so it looked right w/ the blue filter, green and red were off... I understand different picture modes (cinema, daytime, etc) can do better jobs with this, specifically the cinema mode is often the most accurate decoder... in the user menu, I could choose any of these modes, but as soon as I tried to adjust settings, it switched me into "personal" mode, which gave the lackluster results. I went into the service menus, and found options for the same basic settings for each different mode, but again, I could not alter them without the set putting into personal mode again... I dont' have the exact model# at my fingertips, and would like to avoid buying the service manual, so... are there any tricks to doing this normally that I might be missing? Or is it something where a slightly cheaper version could have been offered that didn't allow setting all these different parameters?


I'm sure I've forgotten something, but anyone who's still reading is a Saint, so that's it for now... thanks in advance for any help you can provide...

What you're wondering about SD primary points vs. HD is for the most part a moot point, unless you're calibrating a display with adjustable primaries and secondaries. I say "for the most part" because there is a chance that, if HCFR allows computation of the luminance and dE of the primaries/secondaries against a reference white, you could use that to aid in setting the color and tint controls. I am not familiar with HCFR; I use CalMAN, which does allow that. But on many displays such as CRT RPTVs, you can get the best results by the visual method either by using the color filters or by turning off or blocking the unused colors (preferred over using the filters).

Hi... Sorry in advance for the length of this...

I have a few questions about calibrating a few different displays (for a few different family/friends...)... I'm familiarizing myself with the HCFR software, deciding between colorimeters, etc... but there are just a few things I need a little help with:

1. I have someone with an SD CRT who wants, even if the settings can't be altered, to see how far off his D65/primary/secondary points are... the AVSHD disc is for HD content, I need these patterns readable by an SD DVD player... I have DVE, but have read that it's full screen patterns aren't proper for primaries/secondaries, something about CRTs decreasing their output to maintain average-picture-level... where can I find the windowed patterns for not-a-lot-of-bucks... similar to the AVSHD disc?

2. I have a friend with a Phillips HD, CRT Re/Pro. At the moment, he is only viewing SD content.

a) Should this therefore be calibrated using SD primary points (also D65, secondaries) or still HD?

b) Are CRT Re/Pros susceptible to the same thing that makes the windowed patterns more appealing for CRT direct views?

c) I already did an elementary calibration for him using DVE... he's very happy, but I think I can do better: after setting color/tint so it looked right w/ the blue filter, green and red were off... I understand different picture modes (cinema, daytime, etc) can do better jobs with this, specifically the cinema mode is often the most accurate decoder... in the user menu, I could choose any of these modes, but as soon as I tried to adjust settings, it switched me into "personal" mode, which gave the lackluster results. I went into the service menus, and found options for the same basic settings for each different mode, but again, I could not alter them without the set putting into personal mode again... I dont' have the exact model# at my fingertips, and would like to avoid buying the service manual, so... are there any tricks to doing this normally that I might be missing? Or is it something where a slightly cheaper version could have been offered that didn't allow setting all these different parameters?


I'm sure I've forgotten something, but anyone who's still reading is a Saint, so that's it for now... thanks in advance for any help you can provide...

You can find some free SD patterns in TomHuffman's stick thread at the top of this section. Also a good idea to read the sticky... has tons of good info.

What you're wondering about SD primary points vs. HD is for the most part a moot point, unless you're calibrating a display with adjustable primaries and secondaries.
Granted, except as a curiosity... at the moment, I do not know if his display allow this or not, and I don't want him to mess around in the service menu to find out, and it'll be easier for me if I can get all my ducks in a row before I go over there again... so... SD or HD color space for calibrating an HD set that's only used for SD content?
Also, even if just adjusting color/tint, the color bars in DVE SD vs DVE BD show different primaries/secondaries, so won't the color/tint settings be different depending on which (SD/HD) patterns are used?

I'm sure I've forgotten something, but anyone who's still reading is a Saint, so that's it for now... thanks in advance for any help you can provide...
Thanks! I'll take a good look...

Noone has any info on adjusting the other picture "modes?" Are these just different presets for bright/cont/color/tint or is it likely they can be adjusted and I just have to figure out how?

I use the HCFR Pattern dvd for SD PAL CRT's. Their website says that an NTSC version is on it's way.

http://www.homecinema-fr.com/colorimetre/index_en.php



And yes you can choose your white point in HCFR.