Cedia usually generates a lot of excitement in both above and below $3000 forums. This year all the exciting cedia posts seem to be in in the above $3000 forum. Is there nothing new for the under $3000 forum? No Sanyo, Epson, Panasonic competition any more?

There's the Sanyo Z60 and Z700, Epson PowerLite 6100 (http://news.softpedia.com/news/CEDIA-2008-Epson-039-s-PowerLite-6100-Claims-To-Be-World-039-s-First-1080p-Projector-Under-2-000-93048.shtml) and maybe a few others, but you're right, the big news seems to be at or above $3000 this year.

There's the Sanyo Z60 and Z700, Epson PowerLite 6100 (http://news.softpedia.com/news/CEDIA-2008-Epson-039-s-PowerLite-6100-Claims-To-Be-World-039-s-First-1080p-Projector-Under-2-000-93048.shtml) and maybe a few others, but you're right, the big news seems to be at or above $3000 this year.

The Sony VPL-HW10 will probably be available for a street price under 3k this year. With the economy in the states as bad as it is, I think we'll see drastic price reductions here in the U.S.. I wouldn't be surprised if the new Epson 6100 for under $1,500 by the end of the year, along with the 1080UB.

Street prices, I think there's a few other 1080p projectors that will be sub $3000 either immediate upon, or shortly after release...but as far as MSRP goes, it is slim pickings.

I am curious how disparate manufacturers will allow US, Europe and Japan/Asian prices to be.

Most companies usually don't have a notable difference in list prices at launch, but the Japanese prices move much less over the sales cycle of a given model than the states.

I will definitely be holding my money until the Holidays. I'm seriously looking into the new Epson 120hz FP that surpasses the 1080UB. If still too high by December, the I'd settle for a 1080UB at around the really low 2K range.

I will definitely be holding my money until the Holidays. I'm seriously looking into the new Epson 120hz FP that surpasses the 1080UB. If still too high by December, the I'd settle for a 1080UB at around the really low 2K range.

I would look for something to tide me over for the short term (two years) and save my money so that I could buy an LED projector.

LED projectors don't look too good for the near future. I can't say what will happen in a few years but right now I see 600 ANSI lumens with liquid cooling so they are having trouble even producing half the lumen outpur of current PJs.

LED projectors don't look too good for the near future. I can't say what will happen in a few years but right now I see 600 ANSI lumens with liquid cooling so they are having trouble even producing half the lumen outpur of current PJs.

That is something that I just do not get. Foot Lamberts are what you are after and you can get higher Foot Lamberts by using a projector with more lumens or you can get the same increase in foot lamberts by using a screen with more gain.

What is the difference between a 900 ANSI lumen projector on a 1.0 gain screen and a 600 ANSI lumen projector used with a 1.5 gain screen?

Does anybody use their projector at maximum brightness? I ask because most projectors that I have seen look like crap when used at maximum output.

That is something that I just do not get. Foot Lamberts are what you are after and you can get higher Foot Lamberts by using a projector with more lumens or you can get the same increase in foot lamberts by using a screen with more gain.

What is the difference between a 900 ANSI lumen projector on a 1.0 gain screen and a 600 ANSI lumen projector used with a 1.5 gain screen?

Does anybody use their projector at maximum brightness? I ask because most projectors that I have seen look like crap when used at maximum output.

I tried both the glass-beaded high-power and the 1.5 screens, and ended up going back to 1.1 matte. IMO high gain screens are compromised in some way, such as a more grainy texture, or better suited to table projection, or limited viewing angle. For example with the glass beaded, I can clearly see a drop off as I walked from the center to the side of the room.

I tried both the glass-beaded high-power and the 1.5 screens, and ended up going back to 1.1 matte. IMO high gain screens are compromised in some way, such as a more grainy texture, or better suited to table projection, or limited viewing angle. For example with the glass beaded, I can clearly see a drop off as I walked from the center to the side of the room.

I am in an unusual situation. My HT set up is one side of my family room. I built this room, but I made it for direct view HT. My ceiling is 17 foot so forget about a ceiling mount. I have a 6 foot wide and 12'-6" high window centered with the screen on my back wall. To use a projector in this room I made a pedestal mount that raises and lowers. When not in use the projector is lowered to sill height. When in use it is raised up to center of the screen height. Perfect set up for a high power screen.

The glass beaded screen is not the High Power. You need to view a HP screen. It does not have sparkles like a glass bead, it does not hot spot, it does not have a grainy appearance and it does not show wrinkles. It does have a narrower viewing angle, but for many people like me that is not a problem.

The glass beaded screen is not the High Power. You need to view a HP screen. It does not have sparkles like a glass bead, it does not hot spot, it does not have a grainy appearance and it does not show wrinkles. It does have a narrower viewing angle, but for many people like me that is not a problem.

I had the Dalite Video Spectra 1.5, and it definitely had a grainy texture that is visible during normal movie viewing. When I switched to the matte white the grainy look disappeared.

I had the Dalite Video Spectra 1.5, and it definitely had a grainy texture that is visible during normal movie viewing. When I switched to the matte white the grainy look disappeared.

The texture of the HP is like that of the matte white.

this is the best time of the year to get the outgoing models. Usually there are blow-outs to get them off the shelves.

Sure spec on those lamps are more than LED but put a few hours on that bulb and your going to have much less brightness. Where as the LED is going to keep it's brightness for a much longer time.

Sure spec on those lamps are more than LED but put a few hours on that bulb and your going to have much less brightness. Where as the LED is going to keep it's brightness for a much longer time.

Maybe so, but what's the price of the cheapest LED model? I'm guessing you can replace a few bulbs and still save money for the time being going with a traditional (lamp) model. I'm sure things will change in 2 or 3 years.

So what's the under $3,000 DLP PJ news like at Cedia?

There is a new Mitsu projector that will be $2500 retail that is going to be pretty descent for the dollar...I saw it at CEDIA yesterday - looks nice.

there is a new mitsu projector that will be $2500 retail that is going to be pretty descent for the dollar...i saw it at cedia yesterday - looks nice.

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