Quote from Sound&Vision:

"The 65" Mitsubishi LaserVue will retail for $6,999, putting it on equal ground with most 60-inch-or-larger flat panels, and significantly cheaper than upcoming high-end models like the $10,000 65" Pioneer Kuro." (http://bitstream.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2008/09/mitsubishi-anno.html)

Interesting! We all know who will be the makers of the glass. :D

Chris

hopefully the $10K was a mistake :).

but a 65-70" when the 10G ECC models come out in late 2009 would be nice.

Probably a confusion with the newly-announced high-end 65" Panasonic that is going for $10K.

but a 65-70" when the 10G ECC models come out in late 2009 would be nice.

+1million

Probably a confusion with the newly-announced high-end 65" Panasonic that is going for $10K.

Thats what I am thinking.

I have not heard of Pioneer announcing anything like that. But who knows, maybe S&V accientally let the cat out of the bag? If so I hope its not 10K!
The panasonic/Pioneer glass manufacturing deal that is for the 10G's is supposed to decrease prices I thought.

to decrease Pioneers cost.....nobody said they had to pass it to the consumer.

i'm sure it just a type/mistake. everyone knows pio will outsource glass from panny but nobody knows if pio will use pnaay sizes like 58/65" or stay with the 60" pioneer size or if they choose to bring out an even larger size yet :) . maybe CES Jan 2009 will give us a preview or if D-nice has some far reaching into the future news from his Pioneer contact........

65" Kuro, yeah next year bud when they will acquire panels from Panasonic. You will see 50", 58", and 65" Kuro all next year. Hey possibly a
42" Kuro? Who knows.

If Pioneer will outsource glass from Panny, I can't see any reason why they wouldn't have a 65" since that's been available for quite some time now. BTW, Panny doesn't make a 60" plasma, do they ?

Nope, a 58" only.

If Pioneer will outsource glass from Panny, I can't see any reason why they wouldn't have a 65" since that's been available for quite some time now. BTW, Panny doesn't make a 60" plasma, do they ?

Pioneer is paying them I'm sure Panny will produce the size that pioneer wants to sell.

they are not just buying panny glass and slapping a pioneer sticker on it.

65" Kuro, yeah next year bud when they will acquire panels from Panasonic. You will see 50", 58", and 65" Kuro all next year. Hey possibly a 42" Kuro? Who knows.

who knows,.......thats the point nobody knows yet. yet to be determined but pio may not want to use 58/65" models as people may relate them to being a rebadged panny. or they may use the 58/65" size option just because it would be the lowest cost and it gives a better distintion between size options. or stay with the 60" and add a 70" to add choices over panny :). yes, it would be nice to see a 42" Kuro as an option back in the model lineup again, especially a 1080p ECC 10G model.

D-Nice has been quiet about this and he usually has some insider info. Hmmm. ;)

he is probably making sure he has permission to speak or not to speak yet.

I believe the article to be true and with Panasonic making the glass for Pioneer, I can see a Pioneer 6530FD or 165FD.

Chris

hmmm no d-nice here yet?

if memory hits me right NEO PDP was related with panasonic and pioneer right?

if so this is intresting....

http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/news/2008/08/28/IFA-2008--Panasonic-Ultra-Thin-TVs---BD-Players-Revealed/p1

read here

‘NeoPDP’ apparently which will allegedly bring the highest black levels in the industry,


does that qualify as pioneer as well? since pioneer has the best black level.

Let me say this.......since the introduction of the Panasonic 65" each year it has sold out for a period of time. (EVERY YEAR) Panasonic has not meet the needs of there own company let alone supply the needs of more...... If there was a Pioneer 65" there will be big supply issues.....

Pioneer 2 years back bought NEC plasma division. They were in contact with NEC to build there panels. Pioneer decided after 2 months of building NEC plasma's they would not be able too any longer. NEC had NO panels for 2 months as they had to regroup and go to there backup source.

In this world there is no gaurantee, PERIOD !! (even with contracts)

I am sure if Panasonic is having supply issues, they will supply themselfs first. As Pioneer did. Brings up a word in my mind.........."Karma"

hmmm no d-nice here yet?

He probably knows, can't say anything and smiling while watching us all guess. :D

65 isn't enough. we want at least 70! :D

Let me say this.......since the introduction of the Panasonic 65" each year it has sold out for a period of time. (EVERY YEAR) Panasonic has not meet the needs of there own company let alone supply the needs of more...... If there was a Pioneer 65" there will be big supply issues.....

Pioneer 2 years back bought NEC plasma division. They were in contact with NEC to build there panels. Pioneer decided after 2 months of building NEC plasma's they would not be able too any longer. NEC had NO panels for 2 months as they had to regroup and go to there backup source.

In this world there is no gaurantee, PERIOD !! (even with contracts)

I am sure if Panasonic is having supply issues, they will supply themselfs first. As Pioneer did. Brings up a word in my mind.........."Karma"

Yes, but Panasonic has a new plant coming on line next year. That should increase production capacity.

Let me say this.......since the introduction of the Panasonic 65" each year it has sold out for a period of time. (EVERY YEAR) Panasonic has not meet the needs of there own company let alone supply the needs of more...... If there was a Pioneer 65" there will be big supply issues.....

Pioneer 2 years back bought NEC plasma division. They were in contact with NEC to build there panels. Pioneer decided after 2 months of building NEC plasma's they would not be able too any longer. NEC had NO panels for 2 months as they had to regroup and go to there backup source.

In this world there is no gaurantee, PERIOD !! (even with contracts)

I am sure if Panasonic is having supply issues, they will supply themselfs first. As Pioneer did. Brings up a word in my mind.........."Karma"
D-Nice - Any thoughts on this? I am waiting for a 4Q09 PIO 65" using Pany glass, and have not even thought of this from Chris? Hopefully with the new glass fab coming on line in 09, there will be plenty of 58s, 65s, and potentially an 80 for all (ie Pany & PIO)? If 58 is it for PIO in 09, I need to get the 141 now? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Pioneer is paying them I'm sure Panny will produce the size that pioneer wants to sell.

they are not just buying panny glass and slapping a pioneer sticker on it.

This view has the tail wagging the dog. Unless you mean that Pioneer want to sell the sizes that Panasonic produces. ;)

- Rich

I would be so upset if they came out with a 65" Pio because I just bought a 65" Panny because the biggest Pio was only 60".

This view has the tail wagging the dog. Unless you mean that Pioneer want to sell the sizes that Panasonic produces. ;)

- RichPioneer will not be carrying all of the panel sizes that Panasonic makes. That is all you will get out of me for now :)

Pioneer will not be carrying all of the panel sizes that Panasonic makes. That is all you will get out of me for now :)

No Pioneer PDP-1031FD...;)

Chris

Pioneer will not be carrying all of the panel sizes that Panasonic makes. That is all you will get out of me for now :)

Aha, a clue!

Oh, but that could just mean Pioneer won't have a 103", so we are back to square one. :D

Edit: I just realized creemail beat me to that. :)

Pioneer will not be carrying all of the panel sizes that Panasonic makes. That is all you will get out of me for now :)

My first guess by your statement is that Pioneer won't be making a 42" plasma panel as the Kuro LCD line would cover this size. Second guess would be there's a 70"er rather than a 65"er. Unfortunately if that's the case I'll just have to be jealous of the other forum members who can shell out the kind of $$$$$ that Pioneer would be asking for one of these. :(:)

My first guess by your statement is that Pioneer won't be making a 42" plasma panel as the Kuro LCD line would cover this size. Second guess would be there's a 70"er rather than a 65"er. Unfortunately if that's the case I'll just have to be jealous of the other forum members who can shell out the kind of $$$$$ that Pioneer would be asking for one of these. :(:)


Sounds like 58 will be the biggest. Who is going to make the 70 glass for pioneer?

Now that i think of it, pio will probably stroll out a 65in. And no 42in.

Actually I was guessing no 42" model. If that wasn't true then my 2nd guess would be 70" rather than 65". I'm dreaming of a 6530 5 lumen infinite black Kuro with the same MSRP of the 6020 or less. I can't overstate the word dream enough!

Sounds like 58 will be the biggest. Who is going to make the 70 glass for pioneer?

It was reported a year ago that Hitachi was going to make an 80 for Panasonic. I think these big ones got put on hold for the 5 Lumen technology since it will make them lighter and cheaper.

A 75 or 80 makes sense as the next size up for consumers.

- Rich

Rich good point, but what is the cost for a size like that? Try roughly $15k.

Chris

A 42" 1080p Kuro would be made of win.

Unfortunately 42" 1080p plasma for Pioneer is a long shot because they have committed to 50" and above for plasma.

Chris

Now that i think of it, pio will probably stroll out a 65in. And no 42in.
Bingo I Hope ? NO 42s (LCD arena) & 103s (Too agressive of a start). Should have 65s & 58s in parallel with 50s based on below thoughts:

Based on PIO Oct 09 models utilizing Panny glass made to their spec., and the new Panny factory in 09 @ 50, 58" & 65" standards, this will probably cover 3x ECC PIO 09 sizes. Speculation from earlier 08 threads noted a potential for an 80" in 09 as well via Hitachi (Probably Unlikely due to risks with using multiple glass suppliers and Engr. $).

There will be no 9 mm ECC in 09 as D-Nice eluded to an ~ 1" monitor (Signature Type).
1" thickness PIO speculation also goes in-line with this European Panny release - 65" Thickness that is < 2 Euro coin diameter (25.75 mm) and the second Engadget article noting 65" @ 24.7 mm?
WOW - 65" @ 29 kg (64 lb.) and - "The tech is now deemed ‘market ready’ and will hit shelves in spring 2009."

http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/news/2008/08/28/IFA-2008--Panasonic-Ultra-Thin-TVs---BD-Players-Revealed/p1

http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/28/panasonic-ifa-2008-prototypes-super-thin-super-green-super-bi/

Hopeully PIO will add Tru2Way as well via Panny's work on this per Cedia Comcast Denver Demo and release - Tru2Way will be here in 09 via Panny.

Hopefully Panny / PIONEER will cooperate for the - Utimate Elite 5 lumens / 65" / half weight / 1.5" / Dual Tru2Way Tuner HDTV - In Q4 09.

Great points Bryan.

To add to his comments...Pioneer has marketed and focused on the "Kuro" technology to consumers very, very well. Although it will reach a point where black levels will be immeasurable within a few years as technology will get better and better.

There new progressive stance on displays will want to create slim profile design, less weight, less power consumption, and less heat. These would be excellent selling features to compete well with LCDs. I believe they will start to attack this type of marketing campaign. As Hitachi has started to market their 1.5" thin displays. You will see this as more of focus for plasma displays.

Chris

Rich good point, but what is the cost for a size like that? Try roughly $15k.

Chris

I am hoping for street pricing 8 to 10K. I can dream can't I :p

- Rich

I am hoping for street pricing 8 to 10K. I can dream can't I :p

- Rich
I am also hoping for an 09Q4 10G 65" PIO in the same range as 9G 60" due to 5 lumens anticipated cost reductions in parallel with Panny glass effeciencies. As noted by many previously, this assumes they pass along some of the savings.

A 42" 1080p Kuro would be made of win. Pioneer is networking with Sharp and each now own a portion of each others stocks. 42" will most probably be a LCD.

Pioneer is networking with Sharp and each now own a portion of each others stocks. 42" will most probably be a LCD.

True, but it is notable that there currently is not a 42" LCD - just 32", 37", and 46". I agree that its unlikely they will have the plasma and LCD lines overlap in size though. I suppose if that were part of the strategy we'd already see a 52" Kuro LCD.

Sharp has a 42 LCD. LC-42D65U, just got released to replace the LC-42D64U.

Sharp has a 42 LCD. LC-42D65U, just got released to replace the LC-42D64U.

Sure, but there is no 42" Kuro LCD.

Sure, but there is no 42" Kuro LCD.

Not yet. You never know what is going to happen in the next couple of years.

Not yet. You never know what is going to happen in the next couple of years.

Absolutely. I guess the point is there remains a small hole in the Kuro lineup which could be filled by either an LCD and Plasma (or it could remain vacant). LCD is probably the most likely to fill it but not necessarily a given.

Absolutely. I guess the point is there remains a small hole in the Kuro lineup which could be filled by either an LCD and Plasma (or it could remain vacant). LCD is probably the most likely to fill it but not necessarily a given.

I loved the 43" size Pioneer had a few years back. I would love to see it come back. I will keep dreaming on that one.

I am hoping for street pricing 8 to 10K. I can dream can't I :p

- Rich

Its a dream and a long shot, but who says dreams can't come true...:D

Chris