I've been looking forward to the release of this projector. It's supposed to improve on the 2000 with improved LCDs, and brightness. I am eventually going to have to upgrade from my Z4. I'm really excited to see what this projector will do in my HT. I have a 96" screen in a lighting controlled setting. I'm hoping this new Sanyo model will look like true 1080p. I know about the econo minded 700. When are we going to see more about the 3000?

I know about the econo minded 700. When are we going to see more about the 3000?What Z3000?

I was definitely hoping to see a Sanyo 2008 version of the Z2000...but both IFA and CEDIA have come and gone, and Sanyo has just recently updated their web page to include the Z60 (720p) and Z700 (1080p) entry-level projectors, with no mention of anything else.

I'm also not sure what to make of it, but it's looking more and more like there won't be anything else in 2008. Maybe Sanyo is waiting for something more substantial than D7/D7' panels to make sure the successor to the Z2000 is a substantial upgrade? Who knows?

I saw a foreign website with some info on the Z3000. It will be available in Australia in October. It is supposed to have the D7 panels. It's also supposed to be brighter. Hopefully we will here about it soon. I love my Z4 and the 3000 might be my next projector. Hopefully we will here something soon.

Just curious, what is your issue with the Z2000? It does look like "true" 1080P and the picture will be absolutely fantastic on a smallish 96" screen. What is your throw distance? I have a Z2000 projecting on a 77" screen from about 10.5' in eco lamp and it is plenty bright. Just my 2 cents...;)

Some specs from the Z3000 at the IFA (The original article in French with my translation below):

"Sanyo dévoilera ses nouveaux projecteurs baptisés PLV-Z7 et PLV-Z3000. Si tous deux seront 1080p, le Z7 viendra s'attaquer à un segment très agressif avec des caractéristiques assez légères (espèrons pas trop tout de même) et un séduisant design blanc.
Le Z3000 conserve la même coque mais opte pour un habillage noir. Plusieurs nouveautés tels que le traitement Superior Colour Reproduction ou la possibilité de régler individuellement les saturations, gamma et les teintes. Le contraste sur papier est de 50 000:1 et la luminosité de 1400 lumens ANSI"

It says the Z3000 will have the same housing as the Z2000 only in black. Some new features are the Superior Colour Reproduction processing. Also it is now possible to adjust individually saturation, gamma and colours. The contrast on paper should reach a value of 50 000:1 with a brightness of 1400 lumens ANSI.
I also read somewhere else the Z700 will be a 1080p projector with rival specs to Epson's TW 1000.

http://www.minhembio.com/bilder/bild/index.php?pic_id=231554.jpg

Just curious, what is your issue with the Z2000? It does look like "true" 1080P and the picture will be absolutely fantastic on a smallish 96" screen. What is your throw distance? I have a Z2000 projecting on a 77" screen from about 10.5' in eco lamp and it is plenty bright. Just my 2 cents...;)

The 2000 is a great projector indeed but I'd like to see how much of a difference the D7 panels make as well as the other bells and whistles. I also like the black casing. I'm thinking of painting more of my ceiling black. That would look cool.

I also read somewhere else the Z700 will be a 1080p projector with rival specs to Epson's TW 1000.
The Z700's specifications (http://us.sanyo.com/business/projectors/home_theater/downloads/PLV-Z700_SPEC.pdf) are not only on Sanyo's website already, the user manual (http://us.sanyo.com/business/projectors/home_theater/downloads/PLV-Z700_OwnersMamual.PDF) is also available. (or should I say "mamual"?)

Still no word from Sanyo anywhere about a 2nd 1080p model this year...but like I said, I'd love to find out there will be one.

http://www.slashgear.com/sanyo-launches-lcd-projector-lp-z3000-features-120hz-with-55-pull-down-1616339/

Look like it's out! you thought they would announce it at Cedia but it's here nevertheless.

120hz 5:5 pull down for 60hz
4:4 pull down for 1080/24p
65k:1 CR
1200 lumens
better lens

for a whooping $4,600!! that's not a typo right? :mad:

The Full 1080P beamer when uses in Theater Black setting is capable to produce an ultra high contrast 65,000:1(dynamic) and 1,200 lumen in whisper quiet mode of 19db. (http://www.slashgear.com/sanyo-launches-lcd-projector-lp-z3000-features-120hz-with-55-pull-down-1616339/)So...it does 1,200 lumen in Theater Black, with 65,000:1 contrast making 19db?

I have some reservations about that, although I'd love for it to be true.

I'm guessing it has ultra high contrast of 65,000:1 in dynamic mode achieved with the iris, 1,200 lumen (in dynamic mode?) and only makes 19db in eco mode.

The Epson TW4000 has even more impressive lumen and contrast at Y369,800 on Epson's online store, and Panasonic's AE3000 is crammed full of features with more lumens and it's also not near this price. (Open price, but the AE2000 was 440,000 at most.)

I own a Z3, and I'd love to see a compelling Z3000 this fall, as I will be upgrading due to blue fringing on the right side of my Z3, but the price seems high and the lumens seem low. Definitely looking forward to more info, hopefully with some compelling details that will justify their MSRP.

Here's some info from cine4home:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcine4home.de%2Fnews%2FSanyoZ3000%2F Z3000.htm&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en

120Hz panels, 2290eu; 65000:1 . Sounds interesting. Should see it ~ 2K US.

Should see it ~ 2K US.If it hits 2K this year in the states, I'd be very interested. But I expect they want this to compete with the TW4000 (Epson 5000/6500/7500) and AE3000 here in Japan, and if that's the case, I don't see it doing very well over here.

some news on the LP-Z3000
http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/16/sanyo-levitates-top-o-the-line-lp-z3000-3lcd-projector-with-help/
http://www.sanyo.com/news/2008/09/16-1en.html

I doubt it can produce 1200 lumen at its best D65k mode, especially in quiet mode. Those are most likely less-than-idea dynamic ratings like the rest of the PJ we probably never used it anyway. But the price is too high for an improved lens and better video processing.

So...it does 1,200 lumen in Theater Black, with 65,000:1 contrast making 19db?

I have some reservations about that, although I'd love for it to be true.

I'm guessing it has ultra high contrast of 65,000:1 in dynamic mode achieved with the iris, 1,200 lumen (in dynamic mode?) and only makes 19db in eco mode.

The Epson TW4000 has even more impressive lumen and contrast at Y369,800 on Epson's online store, and Panasonic's AE3000 is crammed full of features with more lumens and it's also not near this price. (Open price, but the AE2000 was 440,000 at most.)

I own a Z3, and I'd love to see a compelling Z3000 this fall, as I will be upgrading due to blue fringing on the right side of my Z3, but the price seems high and the lumens seem low. Definitely looking forward to more info, hopefully with some compelling details that will justify their MSRP.

A Little disappointed to see that the ANSI lumens has not been rasied to at least 1400 as was speculated. The new panels are nice and the new optics are great and I am sure the dynamic iris will be nice but I am not sure if the high price difference between the z2000 and the z3000 will be worth it in performance unless you do alot of 120hz content interpolation. Anyways anyone know what the US MSRP will be? I would be interest in the 700 but they went with a organic panel. I may just pick up a z2000 before the rebate is discontinued.

some news on the LP-Z3000
http://www.sanyo.com/news/2008/09/16-1en.htmlInteresting that it says that monthly production will be 1500 units. I don't think projector companies have normally listed that information.

With these LCD projector manufacturers doing 120Hz modes with interpolation, I wonder if they are doing their own algorithms for that or whether Epson is providing that capability for them, along with the capability of the panels to handle this speed. I'm also wondering how well this interpolation technology handles things like bouncing balls or somebody swaying back and forth (as opposed to motion just in one direction)

--Darin

for a whooping $4,600!! that's not a typo right? :mad:I looked on the cine4home.de site and they list 2290 Euros for this one. I looked back at the Z2000 and they listed 2799 Euros for that one, so seems like the price is going down from last years model if they are right. But doesn't seem to match up with the price in Japan at all.

--Darin

Interesting that it says that monthly production will be 1500 units. I don't think projector companies have normally listed that information.Maybe they're anticipating low demand due to the Epson and Panasonic projectors and are including that info to make these look rare or to justify their low sales?

Just a guess. It would seem with the announced Eupore and Japanese MSRPs that they're not interested in selling many in Japan?

Grobi, a german site, has had a first look at the projector.
http://www.grobi.tv/seiten/neuigkeiten/news-aktuell/PLV_Z_3000.html (German)

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.grobi.tv%2Fseiten%2Fneuigkeiten %2Fnews-aktuell%2FPLV_Z_3000.html&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en (denglish - googlefish ;) )

no measurements or details yet, but contrast/black levels look promising, and light output seems a bit higher. also, the dynamic iris is fast and silent now.

soon, ekke from cine4home should be able to review this unit too (according to forums he got the PJ today.)

can't wait to see the first reviews.

http://www.biccamera.com/bicbic/jsp/w/catalog/detail.jsp?JAN_CODE=4973934461406
It looks like the Sanyo Z3000 will be just shy of $4000 (street) in Japan, and will hit major brick and mortar retailers in Japan on 11/28/08.

(I'm assuming that street price in Japan has no impact on AVS's business, so I hope that's okay to post.)

Their Z700 is listed as coming out in October at 75% of the price (unlike the Z3000, no hard date) so it seems that, like Epson, their organic based, less expensive 1080p model will hit the market in October, and the high-end model will hit the shelves at the end of November.

Edit: It looks like the Epson TW-4000 (Epson's 6500/7500 in Japan) will be at 80%-85% of this price. I can't imagine them selling many Z3000s in that market. Can someone fill me on why this would be worth a substantial mark up over the TW4000 for the Z3000? On that note, if you're willing to buy the Z700, why not find the extra 10-15% and get the top Epson? (Please don't take this the wrong way. I like Sanyo, and have quite a few of their electronics in my house, including my current projector...I just don't understand how they can expect to do well at these price/feature levels.)

Wow, horrible year to be in the market for what should be the higher end sub-3k PJ's. Either these 120Hz panels are really expensive or the manufacturers found there is more money to be made selling fewer units at higher profits. Estimates probably place this Z3000 at $3500-$4000 with the Epson 6500UB being $4000--HUGE increase over their predecessors which were $2600 and $3000 (?) at release.

I've been thinking about trying to pick up a 120Hz TV, but I much prefer projector form factors (weight, portability, screen size). I came back today to see if there were any ~$2000 720P projectors: looks like I still have some waiting to do. Why I expected this? The materials costs cant change much between 60Hz and 120Hz. Theres some minor added costs for having to make drivers that work twice as fast, and a not-insignficiant cost of building faster switching crystals, I imagine a large part is just recouping costs for paying engineers to design something not purely off the shelf, but for the most part I'm pretty sure we're just being gouged the #$@#$ out of while this is still a novelty.

Given how 120Hz tv's have gone from $3000 to mid 1500's in 8 months, I expect to see these comidifed sometime in 2010 (projectors are still quitea bit more niche than tvs but its "inevitable").

Honestly the best reason for hope is potential war between 1080P 120Hz and 720P 120Hz projectors. When you can start buying 1080P 120Hz projectors for $4k, or even when 1080P 60Hz projectors are just north of $2k, 720P models are going to have to get very price competitive very fast.

-Myren

Either these 120Hz panels are really expensive or the manufacturers found there is more money to be made selling fewer units at higher profits.

The panels used have nothing whatsoever to do with the 120 Hz frequence.

Estimates probably place this Z3000 at $3500-$4000 with the Epson 6500UB being $4000--HUGE increase over their predecessors which were $2600 and $3000 (?) at release.Unlike the Z3000, the Epson looks to be heading for a lower price than it's predecessor, at least here in Japan. Possibly just over $3000, even in brick and mortar stores here.

I looked on the cine4home.de site and they list 2290 Euros for this one. I looked back at the Z2000 and they listed 2799 Euros for that one, so seems like the price is going down from last years model if they are right. But doesn't seem to match up with the price in Japan at all.

--Darin
http://www.slashgear.com/sanyo-launches-lp-z3000-lcd-projector-sporting-120hz-with-55-pull-down-1616339/

Look like they have updated the US price, :)
US price and availability is $3,295 in December

So this projector is officially belongs at above-3k-thread

Actually that is not too bad, a difference of around $300 to the original MSRP of the Z2000, so hopefully will be down to $2200 by this time next year.

I liked my Z2000 for 3 months because of sharper picture specially at the edges compared to panasonic AE2000. But picture became dimmer even in dynamic mode for my setup at 20 feet away in totally dark HT. As I remember Vivid mode was dimmer than dynamic. Z2000 is rated 1200 ANSI lumens at vivid. But the new Z3000 is rated 1200 ANSI lumens at dynamic. I was expecting extra 100 lumen increase because of the newer panels. I hope direct side by side comparison between Z2000 and Z3000 shows brighter new pj.
Generally I am also curious why with the same lamp panasonic AE2000 is 300 lumens and AE3000 400 lumens brighter. Wider lens?

I liked my Z2000 for 3 months because of sharper picture specially at the edges compared to panasonic AE2000. But picture became dimmer even in dynamic mode for my setup at 20 feet away in totally dark HT. As I remember Vivid mode was dimmer than dynamic. Z2000 is rated 1200 ANSI lumens at vivid. But the new Z3000 is rated 1200 ANSI lumens at dynamic. I was expecting extra 100 lumen increase because of the newer panels. I hope direct side by side comparison between Z2000 and Z3000 shows brighter new pj.
Generally I am also curious why with the same lamp panasonic AE2000 is 300 lumens and AE3000 400 lumens brighter. Wider lens?

You have more brightness with the same lamp because of more advanced polar panels that let more light through without compromising contrast, which is also part of the reason why the new generation of pjs have CRs of 60,000:1 and higher.

The only thing that has me on the edge of my seat is the published 65000:1 contrast ratio. I'm a sucker for great black level and shadow detail. If it's a huge step forward in that regard, I may have a heck of an inner battle ahead, do I upgrade or not...:confused: Not to mention the what the Mrs. will have to say...:eek:

Based on the MSRP in on this page http://sanyo.com/news/2008/09/16-1en.html , converted from Yen of 483,000 the US MRSP will be $4,499.15 . Does sound right?

U.S. MSRP is $3,295. http://www.noydcom.com/press_release/sanyo/PLV-Z3000/

U.S. MSRP is $3,295. http://www.noydcom.com/press_release/sanyo/PLV-Z3000/

MSRP doesn't mean much. If Sanyo turns out to be inferior to Epson, and if Epson sells for same, they will start discounting in a hurry - as has been the case with Z2000.

We have Mitsu, Pana, Epson, Sony and Sanyo going for same market claiming roughly same specs. The best product will command the highest price.


From the past history Sanyo has been the weakest performer, thus lowest price. We'll have to wait for the reviews to see if they are different this time.

MSRP doesn't mean much. If Sanyo turns out to be inferior to Epson, and if Epson sells for same, they will start discounting in a hurry - as has been the case with Z2000.

We have Mitsu, Pana, Epson, Sony and Sanyo going for same market claiming roughly same specs. The best product will command the highest price.


From the past history Sanyo has been the weakest performer, thus lowest price. We'll have to wait for the reviews to see if they are different this time.

We also have the Infocus X10 and Optoma 806 which will probably hit about a$2,000 street price.

Being able to project a 100" diagonal image from 10' away is definitely a feature I am interested in. It means I can do the zoom-CIH and still get a respectable 16x9 image size. Now I just wish it has the zoom/focus/shift memory feature as in the AE3000.

This pj is now up on the Sanyo US page: http://us.sanyo.com/business/projectors/home_theater/index.cfm?productID=1624

I had no idea it retailed for $4600, or is this speculation? If so, they are dreaming as a Pearl and RS1 can be found used for $3K (and both would probably better it), not to mention used 1080 UBs getting closer and closer to the $2K mark...I guess we'll wait and see, if they slash the price 50% I might consider it though, if not, will demo the Z700 to see if blacks are acceptable (I bet they're good enough for me).

I doubt it will go for that much. It might however be more than the current Z2000 is costing. I'm interested in how good this projector is going to be.

I'm suprised that the lumens output isn't slightly higher. I wonder if the lumens will be a signifigant improvement over my Z4. I never felt my Z4 was too dim but it definately isn't as bright as the picture on my Samsung A650. I'm hoping the 1080p and the added contrast will make the picture signifigantly better than my Z4 which I love.

I read on projectorreviews.com that the Z3000's MAP is ~$3200, should street for a little less, maybe the Z700 will be good enough.

I read on projectorreviews.com that the Z3000's MAP is ~$3200, should street for a little less, maybe the Z700 will be good enough.If the Z3000 was a little less than $3200 in Japan, I'd definitely consider it, I've been happy with Sanyo and my Z3 while it worked. Both Panasonic and Sanyo seem to like to see how much they can over charge Japan for their products, unfortunately, which has me leaning heavily towards the Epson TW4000/6500 at this point.

anyone saw the z3000 at photokina? any report?

The MSRP of the Z2000 was 2999$ and street prices where between 2299$ and 2499$. They also offered a nice mail in rebate in both US and Canada..

Btw according to the press sheet at projectorcentral, this one is a 120hz projector. Witch is cool i guess..

dang, I was about to pull the trigger on the 2000 but now see this. The 120hz would definately be a nice option to have if I ever wanted to use it, especially for football. Does anyone know it it will have the cool motorized lense door that automatically shuts the lense in when turning projector off? I think that is an awesome feature. Hmmmm, decisions, decisions.:confused:

dang, I was about to pull the trigger on the 2000 but now see this. The 120hz would definately be a nice option to have if I ever wanted to use it, especially for football. Does anyone know it it will have the cool motorized lense door that automatically shuts the lense in when turning projector off? I think that is an awesome feature. Hmmmm, decisions, decisions.:confused:

The z2000 is still an awesome projector and yeah the 120hz would be a nice feature, but z2000 is still extremely smooth at 24hz and 60hz and yeah must say that motorized lense door is pretty cool. :)

120hz is nice for sport and videogame. If you videogame a lot it smooth out the screen a lot and reduce lag. But it's not a major feature for movie watcher.

Got my Z2000 the other night. Im another happy customer, especially seeing the difference between this and my Z1.
Havent done much tweaking, but HD channels from dish network and hd-dvd's look fantastic right out of the box.

Got my Z2000 the other night. Im another happy customer, especially seeing the difference between this and my Z1.
Havent done much tweaking, but HD channels from dish network and hd-dvd's look fantastic right out of the box.

If you think they look good out of the box wait till you try the tweaked brilliant settings. big difference:). I left some settings somewhere in the last couple of pages in the z2000 tweak post, try them and adjust to your screen and environment, let me know waht you think then:D

I would have thought Sanyo would make the Z3000 look better, EXTERIOR wise compared to the new Sanyo Z60 720p, which IMHO looks better. The Z60 looks tougher and more masculine. But then again its the final output image that is important.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/Polardoor/741f371a.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/Polardoor/acc79001.jpg

What projector is that black one on the bottom? It looks like my Z4 but in black. The top projector I believe is the Z760. The Z3000 looks just like it but I think the face is going to be darker.

The top projector is the Z3000, and the bottom is the Z60 720p. These shots are direct from Sanyo's website.

http://us.sanyo.com/business/projectors/home_theater/

The Z3000 should be a great improvement for the already super performer, the Z2000. Contrast ratio at 60,000 sounds impressive and both 24 Hx and 120Hz frame rate is another reason that I will swap my great Z2000 for a Z3000. Sanyo tech support and repair is first rate too. :)Here is the spec sheet:

http://us.sanyo.com/business/projectors/home_theater/downloads/PLV-Z3000_SPEC.pdf

The Z3000 should be a great improvement for the already super performer, the Z2000. Contrast ratio at 60,000 sounds impressive and both 24 Hx and 120Hz frame rate is another reason that I will swap my great Z2000 for a Z3000.
It looks good, but frankly it needs to sell for less than the Panasonic AE3000 because it's missing some features (no motorized zoom and focus, less bright, etc.). And the Panny is cheaper than expected: http://www.projectorpeople.com/projectors/projdtls.asp?itemid=24159&itmname=Panasonic+PT%2DAE3000U

It looks good, but frankly it needs to sell for less than the Panasonic AE3000 because it's missing some features (no motorized zoom and focus, less bright, etc.). And the Panny is cheaper than expected: http://www.projectorpeople.com/projectors/projdtls.asp?itemid=24159&itmname=Panasonic+PT%2DAE3000U

A lot cheaper indeed:eek:
Sanyo needs to pay attention because they will loose a lot of bussines if their price is not anyway near the AE3000. This should change the whole game.

On the battle of the 3000's I think Panasonic has a BIG advantage at the moment.

It looks good, but frankly it needs to sell for less than the Panasonic AE3000 because it's missing some features (no motorized zoom and focus, less bright, etc.). And the Panny is cheaper than expected: http://www.projectorpeople.com/projectors/projdtls.asp?itemid=24159&itmname=Panasonic+PT%2DAE3000U

Oh, I wouldn't worry too much... I think Sanyo will undercut the Panny again this model year. Just curious, how do you know the Z3000 is less bright??? I hope you aren't basing that opinion off some bogus blown up specs. And, if you want to get technical, the Sanyo has some features that the Panny lacks, ie. motorized lense door, dust blob removal kit, 3 years warranty, etc. Lets wait until the Z3000 releases before we draw any early conclusions.;)

Oh, I wouldn't worry too much... I think Sanyo will undercut the Panny again this model year. Just curious, how do you know the Z3000 is less bright??? I hope you aren't basing that opinion off some bogus blown up specs. And, if you want to get technical, the Sanyo has some features that the Panny lacks, ie. motorized lense door, dust blob removal kit, 3 years warranty, etc. Lets wait until the Z3000 releases before we draw any early conclusions.;)
As long as the price is right I would prefer the Sanyo for the dust removal system (I used it to good effect on my Z5), and the lack of "smoothscreen" (although smoothscreen doesn't sound too bad on the AE3000 according to the Projector Central review). But I do have a 2.35:1 screen so the motorized zoom etc. is tempting.

As for brightness Panny claims 1600 lumens vs 1200 for Sanyo. But you're right, we need to wait for actual measurement in different modes.

Is this coming out in Dec? I wish Best Buy would carry this one instead of the low-end 1080 model from Sanyo. They are getting the low-end Epson HC6100 and the Sanyo by the end of the month.

I hope this thread gets moved to the Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000 USD MSRP and Up section where it belongs.

Edit:
I started a thread in the proper section. I highly doubt this PJ will get any serious attention in this section of the forums due to it's price point.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1077336