Runco is giving new life to rear projection especially at 95". 33" is a little deep, but 95" would totally fit the space to the left of my fireplace occupied by my 57". The horizontal length of a 95" 2.35:1 set would be roughly 87".

Maybe Mits should look at 2.35:1 sets combined with laser and deep color.

Runco Presents the CineWall CW-95HD In-wall Display


The Runco CineWall™ CW-95HD is the World’s first 95-inch, High Definition 2.35:1 aspect ratio, in-wall display. The CineWall lets you watch movies in perfect CineWide™ 2.35:1 aspect ratio even in a high ambient light environment and get uncompromised reproduction of movies to achieve the experience the movie director intended.

Unlike traditional rear-projection video systems that require a throw distance that is not available in most homes, the new CineWall™ CW-95HD system is a completely self-contained, low-profile design that that less than 33 inches deep and with sloping side panels that enable the system to fit into even the tightest spaces.

The CineWall system retains video contrast and brightness even when viewed in high amounts of ambient light. Runco’s Constant Contrast™ technology incorporates frame-by-frame contrast correction to provide stellar black levels within high-contrast video content. The systems offer tremendous installer-friendly features, such as Runco’s Positive Pressure Cooling™, a strategic internal engine cooling design that reduces the need for excess cooling fans, ensuring quiet operation levels in the process. Other benefits include ISFccc™ calibration system, WideVision™ aspect ratio conversion technology, CSMS™ contrast and brightness, and high-altitude operation (10,000 ft above sea level).

The CineWall CW-95HD features Runco’s SuperOnyx™ chipset. Extensive connectivity includes HDMI w/HDCP, DVI w/HDCP, Component (RCA), HD-15 (PC), S-Video, Composite and RS-232. Runco’s exclusive CinOptx™ lens system incorporates O-Path™ light path enhancement for sharp-looking video, while ViViX II™ internal processing ensures the best video performance, no matter what the content’s native resolution or aspect ratio.

Runco home theater products are built with quality and craftsmanship to ensure an amazing experience. All Runco displays feature a two-year RuncoCare standard warranty. Extended options are also available for one or two additional years. RuncoCare is simple, convenient and offers the best protection in the industry.






http://www.avrev.com/home-theater-news/video-projector-screens-news/runco-presents-the-cinewall-cw-95hd-in-wall-display.html

Runco is giving new life to rear projection especially at 95". 33" is a little deep, but 95" would totally fit the space to the left of my fireplace occupied by my 57". The horizontal length of a 95" 2.35:1 set would be roughly 87".

Maybe Mits should look at 2.35:1 sets combined with laser and deep color.

Runco Presents the CineWall CW-95HD In-wall Display







http://www.avrev.com/home-theater-news/video-projector-screens-news/runco-presents-the-cinewall-cw-95hd-in-wall-display.html

Any idea what it uses for display? DLP? LCD? LCOS? At 33" deep it certainly is rear pj rather than front pj.



Mr Bob

http://www.runco.com/cw-95hd.html

DLP...1920 X 817...aspect ratio 2.35:1...$49,995

Interesting. Not clear if they use a single 1920X1080 DLP, as with front projectors; three of them (chipset mentioned), or one 960X1080 wobulated chip (or chips) with special scaling. Or maybe even the pro DLP format chip(s) (~2048 X xxx?) scaled as needed. Assume there's an option to avoid scaling SD to 2:35:1. -- John

817x1920? Seems like they're taking away resolution, just cut off the black bars...

For $50K why couldn't they give you 2.35:1 @ 1080x2538

Optoma is doing the same thing, I believe. Check their website. They call it BigVizion:

http://www.optomausa.com/hddisplays.asp

It uses DarkChip3, not 4, though. Strange.

In-wall custom 100" 1080p HDTV monitor requiring only 30" of depth
Proprietary light engine with all signals displayed as 1080p native
Modular design for easy installation
Advanced connectivity with multiple HDMI, component, s-video, VGA and composite inputs
Customizable bezel to match any room décor
ISFccc custom day and night modes
Easy service access through front screen assembly

Screen Anti-reflective, high contrast optical screen
Maximum Resolution 1920 x 1080
Contrast Ratio 10,000:1
Light Engine Proprietary DLP®
Advanced Scaling 1080i-1080p de-interlacing
ISFccc custom modes Day/Night
Black Detailer DarkChip3™
Aspect Ratio 16:9
LampType and Life P-VIP 180-Watt
Estimated at 4,000 Hours
Optics Short Throw Lens (0.5)
Video Compatibility (Input) 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720i, 720p, 1080i,1080p
Computer Compatibility 4:3/16:9 SVGA (800 x 600), XGA (1024 x 768)
Advanced Connectivity Front: VGA x 1, S-Video x 1, Composite x 1
Rear: HDMI (input) x 3, HDMI to receiver x 1, HDMI from receiver x 1, HDMI to display x 1, Component YPbPr x 2, Component YPbPr/RGBHV x 2, S-Video x 2, Composite Video x 2, RS-232C x 1, IR Module x 1, DC 12V Trigger x 2
Color Wheel 6-Segment (Optimized for home theater)
Projection Method Rear Projection
Overscan 1% (Design)
Mirror First surface Glass
Frame System Modular Steel w/powder coat
Warranty Frame/Mirror System: 3 Years
Light Engine: 1 Year
Components: 1 Year
Lamp: 6 Months
Installation Dimensions Rough Opening (W x H x D): 91.7" x 54.8" x 30.5"
Finished Wall w/bezel (W x H): 96.1" x 58"
Shipping Dimensions
(W x H x D) 100" x 67" x 38"
Shipping Weight 750 lbs

The Runco is 2.35:1 (ultra widescreen aspect), while the BigVision is 1.777777:1 (HD aspect).

Both use the same resolution, when the t/b bars are eliminated on the Runco for the 817 vertical, rather than the 1080 vertical of the BigVision.

I expect the lens on the Runco to be far superior to that of the other one. In that tight a throw distance - the other one being 3" SHORTER than the Runco's - you have to have stellar optics, which are very expensive. The result of inferior optics in that kind of sit is that you come up with what looks like horizontal convergence errors out to the extremities, which of course is uncorrectable because of being fixed pixel. That leapt out at me the first years of DLP at CES, and became a lot better as the years progressed.

And the Runco does that frame by frame contrast ratio thing to keep the blacks inky and full of depth, and I doubt the other one does anything about that. Didn't see anything abbout that in their writeup, anyway -


Mr Bob

Looks like it's a RP variation of Runco's three-DLP FP (http://nexus404.com/Blog/2008/09/07/runco-intros-videoxtreme-vx-8-1080p-hd-3x-superonyx-dmd-projector/), presumably with 1920X1080, not 960X1080, DLP chips. That Optoma model mentions a color wheel so it's using one chip, which might be a 960X1080 like other DLP RPTVs. A true-1920X1080 three-chipper, hopefully with a panel alignment feature, or maybe Gennum's (?) chip for electronic, not physical, RGB convergence, seems like maximizing DLP technology for the home--while still just short of pro-DLP three-chippers for theaters with more pixels per rows/columns, plus all the pro higher-grade projection electronics. -- John

EDIT: Assume that 817 vertical res format is what's needed when viewing 2:35:1 movies to avoid top/bottom black bars. Would hope, though, there's some mode for displaying full 1920X1080 for standard 16X9 HD material, or lower resolution formats.

EDIT: Assume that 817 vertical res format is what's needed when viewing 2:35:1 movies to avoid top/bottom black bars. Would hope, though, there's some mode for displaying full 1920X1080 for standard 16X9 HD material, or lower resolution formats.


Not if all they have is the 817 x 1920 as their final pixel array, which is how it's listed. They prolly use a regular 1080p 16x9 DLP chip - or set of chips if it's triple-chip, which of course it would be - but not showing the upper and lower sections of them.

CRT never did make a 16x9 tube, they used 4x3 tubes and didn't show the upper and lower sections for 16x9 sets.

Runco always dedicates whatever it takes to whatever it's doing. Their aim on this one is to fully deliver 2.35:1. I'm afraid that if you try to watch 16x9 material on it, you'll need to be shrinking the sides and thus continue the already in place loss of the res, one way or another. It already can't do a true 1080 vertical scanrate. As such, it seems obvious that they didn't ask TI to make a whole new gen of 2.35:1 chips just for them, to achieve true 1920x1080. With oblong rectangular mirrors instead of square ones...

:eek:

Maybe in the future, if this thing flies off the shelf -




Mr Bob

I know it's not RPTV, but why not go for the JVC RS1 or RS2 with the scope lens, it offers the full 1920X1080P in wide screen, (at least that's what I have read) for a fraction of the cost, although the lens doubles the price of the projector (must be a heck of a lens) (JVC PanamorphicA480)

I know it's not RPTV, but why not go for the JVC RS1 or RS2 with the scope lens, it offers the full 1080PX1920 in wide screen, (at least that's what I have read) for a fraction of the cost, although the lens doubles the price of the projector (must be a heck of a lens)

Anamophic lenses ARE expensive, Runco uses them on their front pjs.

Remember, you have to have a side-squinched up picture to be pj-ing, to restore the correct look to the expanded image, when using that lens.


Mr Bob

Anamophic lenses ARE expensive, Runco uses them on their front pjs.

Remember, you have to have a side-squinched up picture to be pj-ing, to restore the correct look to the expanded image, when using that lens.


Mr Bob
The lens, JVC Panamorphic A480, is made for the JVC RS1 and RS2 (as well as others in the JVC line, you'll find it under JVC Professional equipment) the RS2 has a variety of settings for just about every setting you can think of, and Lumagen thinks so highly of the Projector it has special software for it (they don't think the projector is as perfect as it is capable of being, unless you use it with their product) have not seen it, but friends are impressed after seeing it at CES, however I think I would prefer a Barco 909 cine myself, of course it isn't scope, but it is damned fine just the same