View Full Version : Floored by Blu-Ray, Now I'm a Snob.


blastermaster
09-22-08, 05:05 PM
I have watched a number of blu-ray movies since getting my home theater set up (BenQ W5000 on DIY 130" 2.35:1 screen) and man I don't have any desire to go back and watch any of my standard definition movies. I can't believe how crystal clear some of the blu-ray movies are (some are better than others, of course).

I had some friends over to watch a movie. I told them it was a high definition system and they asked if it could play regular dvds. My first response was, "not really." I laughed, then had to go on and tell them that you could but you'd really be under-utilizing (is that a word?) the capabilities of the system. Yep, I think I sounded like a snob. I think they realized what I was talking about, though, when we fired up Live Free or Die Hard. Freaking amazing.

Any others out there pretty much completely given up on watching your sd dvd movie collection now that you have blu-ray? I hate to do it, but I'm going to be buying some of the same movies I have on dvd in the blu-ray format.

plissken99
09-22-08, 05:38 PM
I have a nick name for DVDs that I use to give my friends who've yet to switch over a hard time... I call them "peasant discs", or PDVD. :D

Yeah it's hard watching SD DVDs(got a JVC RS1 and a 147in screen myself), however I'm so much of a movie buff, that if I get in the mood for something that is not in HD or isn't on the release calendar(or HD movie channels), I'll watch it. For me with my Klipsch reference sound system, the audio is as dramatic an improvement as the video in most cases. This is truely a golden age for the movie buff!!

General Kenobi
09-22-08, 05:45 PM
I don't have that big of a screen (Sony 52" XBR3 & Aperion 5.1 w/ HSU sub), but I've got it bad too my friend. I rarely find myself browsing through my SD movies unless I'm taking one upstairs to put on when I'm winding down for sleepy time. Some SD titles still look pretty decent and some BD titles look pretty bad but for the most part I've become a hi-def snob.

I'm buying things I would not have purchased on SD because they are Blu and I just enjoy the movie more because of it; makes for a different experience. The really good ones like Kill Bill (most recently) just make it so hard to to go back to SD.

pcweber111
09-22-08, 05:51 PM
I have a nick name for DVDs that I use to give my friends who've yet to switch over a hard time... I call them "peasant discs", or PDVD. :D

Yeah it's hard watching SD DVDs(got a JVC RS1 and a 147in screen myself), however I'm so much of a movie buff, that if I get in the mood for something that is not in HD or isn't on the release calendar(or HD movie channels), I'll watch it. For me with my Klipsch reference sound system, the audio is as dramatic an improvement as the video in most cases. This is truely a golden age for the movie buff!!

Yeah Klipsch Reference does rock. :cool:

jkcheng122
09-22-08, 05:53 PM
any dvd that i have getting a bd announcement is being listed on half.com for me. regardless of whether i buy the bd to replace, i can't watch the dvd knowing there's a bd out there looking much better. i even sold off my Fantasia Anthology.

westgate
09-22-08, 05:59 PM
i thought this thread was just closed about 8 days ago for fighting, etc:confused:.

oh! a new title-same old subject. got it.:D

yes, blu-ray looks and sounds great!

eapleitez
09-22-08, 06:41 PM
I haven't bought a DVD in over 2 years, and not counting Last of the Mohicans last week, I haven't watched one of my own SDs in a really long time. I plan on upgrading many, if not most, of my DVDs to high definition.

briankmonkey
09-22-08, 07:21 PM
My first response was, "not really."

LOL, sounds like me talking to me friends, half jokingly. Half because I'd really rather just watch blu and not have to have such a huge downgrade to DVD or whatever even HD light (Comcast on demand, Apple TV, Live, etc) is a big downgrade :D

Golden Age indeed.. Absolutely Love the PQ and AQ. Just watched The Fall last night, it would have been a shame to have watched a substandard version on DVD or HD light instead.

Vampyro
09-22-08, 08:08 PM
Blu ray is better, but a lot of good black n white movies on dvd will not be on bluray anytime soon, so I dont mind buying older movies because they look pretty darn good on DVD, I just got a whole Bergman box set-- 5 movies on dvd for under 30$ you cant beat that!

mikenike
09-22-08, 08:17 PM
I've all but traded in my SD collection, using the money for other BDs. The only SD discs I have are ones that my sister has or the ones I buy from a Vietnamese music company (they aren't on board with BD yet, and probably will not be for a while).

blastermaster
09-22-08, 08:27 PM
Blu ray is better, but a lot of good black n white movies on dvd will not be on bluray anytime soon, so I dont mind buying older movies because they look pretty darn good on DVD, I just got a whole Bergman box set-- 5 movies on dvd for under 30$ you cant beat that!

This is totally true, but that's my point. I won't watch those movies because I know I'll be watching it thinking, "man, there's probably a whole lot of detail that I know I should be seeing, but I'm not." That being said, I'm willing to watch movies on blu ray that I like until said movies come out in this format.

Sorry, I wasn't aware of any thread that got deleted or banned - I don't usually post on the forums, but I just wanted to see how many others were in my boat.

tutelary
09-22-08, 08:30 PM
Blu ray is better, but a lot of good black n white movies on dvd will not be on bluray anytime soon, so I dont mind buying older movies because they look pretty darn good on DVD, I just got a whole Bergman box set-- 5 movies on dvd for under 30$ you cant beat that!

...Why won't they? The Day the Earth Stood Still is coming, Casablanca was on hd-dvd, etc. Theres nothing stopping them from coming out.

klover
09-22-08, 09:00 PM
The only DVDs I've kept include Pink Floyd concerts and Star Wars movies. Everything else is gone (and those DVDs will too when/if the equivalent HD versions surface).

JosephP
09-22-08, 10:05 PM
I have watched a number of blu-ray movies since getting my home theater set up (BenQ W5000 on DIY 130" 2.35:1 screen) and man I don't have any desire to go back and watch any of my standard definition movies. I can't believe how crystal clear some of the blu-ray movies are (some are better than others, of course).

I had some friends over to watch a movie. I told them it was a high definition system and they asked if it could play regular dvds. My first response was, "not really." I laughed, then had to go on and tell them that you could but you'd really be under-utilizing (is that a word?) the capabilities of the system. Yep, I think I sounded like a snob. I think they realized what I was talking about, though, when we fired up Live Free or Die Hard. Freaking amazing.

Any others out there pretty much completely given up on watching your sd dvd movie collection now that you have blu-ray? I hate to do it, but I'm going to be buying some of the same movies I have on dvd in the blu-ray format.
Not to worry. This is a perfectly natural development. You've just spent a ton of money on HT equipment and at this point in time, presentation is more important than the movie your watching. But, sooner or later, your going to wonder how Star Wars would look on your system. ;)

Fanaticalism
09-22-08, 11:34 PM
It is because of Blu, that we have surround sound, and HD displays in every room in the house. We are even in the process of putting together a nice little 5.1 setup with a 40" HD display with blu in our 6yr olds' room :D. I am still unloading the some odd 600+ DVD's I have left.

Columbo345
09-23-08, 02:43 AM
I've become a little of a snob as well. When I see people buying DVDs and saying the DD 5.1 was "awesome" I turn around and think to myself :rolleyes: , if they only knew the power of DTS MA/PCM/True HD

Dan P.
09-23-08, 12:01 PM
Welcome to the club. For a 130" screen, BD is mandatory. Don't forget to move up to DTS-MA and TrueHD on the audio end, and make it a 7.1 speaker layout.

Will2007
09-23-08, 12:41 PM
Yeah, I am becoming a snob about DVD too.

This is so deja vu. It's 1997 all over again, when I would buy a DVD just because of the picture or audio quality. The Plebians were all still watching VHS and were mostly unaware of DVD and how it looked and sounded in comparison. I spent way too much money in the early days buying overpriced, mediocre DVDs, and I'm doing the same now with Blu-rays.

Hell with it. The Godfather trilogy should be waiting on my front porch when I get home, and Iron Man should be here next week. I have Pan's Labyrinth and Kill Bill on Blu too, so it's all good.

av.pallino
09-23-08, 12:49 PM
I've become a little of a snob as well. When I see people buying DVDs and saying the DD 5.1 was "awesome" I turn around and think to myself :rolleyes: , if they only knew the power of DTS MA/PCM/True HD

I am assuming not everyone has the ability to listen to the loss less audio even IF they bought the Blu Ray. So DD 5.1 would still be awesome to them :)

briankmonkey
09-23-08, 12:53 PM
Yeah, I am becoming a snob about DVD too.

This is so deja vu. It's 1997 all over again, when I would buy a DVD just because of the picture or audio quality. The Plebians were all still watching VHS and were mostly unaware of DVD and how it looked and sounded in comparison. I spent way too much money in the early days buying overpriced, mediocre DVDs, and I'm doing the same now with Blu-rays.

Hell with it. The Godfather trilogy should be waiting on my front porch when I get home, and Iron Man should be here next week. I have Pan's Labyrinth and Kill Bill on Blu too, so it's all good.

Check out The Fall soon if you can.. Simply gorgeous, it begs to be seen on blu-ray. :D

pcweber111
09-23-08, 01:00 PM
Yeah, I am becoming a snob about DVD too.

This is so deja vu. It's 1997 all over again, when I would buy a DVD just because of the picture or audio quality. The Plebians were all still watching VHS and were mostly unaware of DVD and how it looked and sounded in comparison. I spent way too much money in the early days buying overpriced, mediocre DVDs, and I'm doing the same now with Blu-rays.

Hell with it. The Godfather trilogy should be waiting on my front porch when I get home, and Iron Man should be here next week. I have Pan's Labyrinth and Kill Bill on Blu too, so it's all good.

Funny how the market repeats itself huh? Ditto for me but add Laserdisc and even D-Theater to that. Hollywood must love me I buy their movies over and over again. :rolleyes:

thehun
09-23-08, 01:17 PM
If I had a FP with a large screen I would probably agree with you, but on my RPDLP 56" some DVD's "up-converted" through my Tosh XA2 looks very good, in many cases better then some of those "HD channels" on cable. :D

Toknowshita
09-23-08, 02:03 PM
I've all but traded in my SD collection, using the money for other BDs. The only SD discs I have are ones that my sister has or the ones I buy from a Vietnamese music company (they aren't on board with BD yet, and probably will not be for a while).


I have been selling off my SD collection over the last few months. Sold my Indy set, Godfather Collection, Die Hard box and many other various titles. I have probably sold about $200 to $300 worth. I know some don't want to hear it, but in ten years SD content is going to be practically worthless. The only SD content I suggest people keep is content that is highly unlikely to see a HD release.

You can bet your bottom dollar that most major classics or blockbusters of the last 40 years will be released on BD eventually.

Toknowshita
09-23-08, 02:12 PM
I am assuming not everyone has the ability to listen to the loss less audio even IF they bought the Blu Ray. So DD 5.1 would still be awesome to them :)

Even if they settle for legacy sound now with a BD, lossless abilities are getting closer and closer to entry level equipment. So someday they may have the abiltity to appreciate lossless audio.

How many people had 5.1 systems when they first got into DVD? I had a 2.0 system. Now ten years later I have a 7.1 lossless capable system and 1080p front projector setup.

It has gotten to the point now where I am sorely disappointed by the local multiplexes. I look more forward to the BD release. The trailer for Kung Fu Panda looked remarkably better on my HT system than the actual feature did at the theater down the street.

The only film I was impressed with theatrically in the last year was the IMAX Dark Knight.

briankmonkey
09-23-08, 02:17 PM
"It has gotten to the point now where I am sorely disappointed by the local multiplexes. I look more forward to the BD release. The trailer for Kung Fu Panda looked remarkably better on my HT system than the actual feature did at the theater down the street."

Indeed, movies just look and sound better in my home most of the time. The sound especially. Sure I may not play it as loudly but the quality is better (yeah, I know there are some here who believe louder equals better, usually those that try to discredit the merits of lossless audio)

buddahead
09-23-08, 02:19 PM
Using a 110in screen BD or HDdvd will totaly spoil you,Yes I have some good quailty Sdvd's but once use to the color and resolution of BD and HDdvd it is hard to play the sdvd's.Now if they could just get the ball rolling faster on more release's like Star wars Indiana Jones ect,

Toknowshita
09-23-08, 02:30 PM
If I had a FP with a large screen I would probably agree with you, but on my RPDLP 56" some DVD's "up-converted" through my Tosh XA2 looks very good, in many cases better then some of those "HD channels" on cable. :D


This is not a slam, but what is the native resolution of your display?

480p upconverted to 720p is not staggering jump. And even upscaling to 1080p does not bring back data thrown out during the DVD mastering process. Also BDs on a 720p display have a lot of picture information thrown away (roughly half).

480p has about 0.5M pixels;
720p, 1M;
1080p, 2M.

Even at a local stores' mediumish sets (40-46"), I can easily pick out by picture clarity which sets are getting a BD signal and which are getting a SD signal. And that's from even 10' away. This whole arguement about having to be within a foot or two of the image is hogwash. Maybe if you want to pick out individual hairs. But believe me resolution does matter even with smaller sets.

I am going to twist the arguement around. With a higher resolution set the image is much better at maintaining its realism even at closer viewing distances. The image is less likely to take on that 'electronic pixelily' look the closer you get to it.

sharkcohen
09-23-08, 03:45 PM
If I had a FP with a large screen I would probably agree with you, but on my RPDLP 56" some DVD's "up-converted" through my Tosh XA2 looks very good, in many cases better then some of those "HD channels" on cable. :D

Same. Although I get plenty of BD and HD DVD action, much of my DVD collection still looks great (some of my DVDs look like crap, e.g. Star Trek the Motion Picture).

sharkcohen
09-23-08, 03:48 PM
How many people had 5.1 systems when they first got into DVD?

:raises hand:

sharkcohen
09-23-08, 03:49 PM
"It has gotten to the point now where I am sorely disappointed by the local multiplexes. I look more forward to the BD release. The trailer for Kung Fu Panda looked remarkably better on my HT system than the actual feature did at the theater down the street."

Indeed, movies just look and sound better in my home most of the time. The sound especially. Sure I may not play it as loudly but the quality is better (yeah, I know there are some here who believe louder equals better, usually those that try to discredit the merits of lossless audio)

I pretty much just wait for the BD now. I haven't even seen The Dark Knight yet.

briankmonkey
09-23-08, 03:51 PM
I pretty much just wait for the BD now. I haven't even seen The Dark Knight yet.

Most the time for me as well but for some big movies I still hit the theater. I do like big screens and of course if I can hit the IMax that is always fun with a bunch of friends..

Will2007
09-23-08, 06:16 PM
Check out The Fall soon if you can.. Simply gorgeous, it begs to be seen on blu-ray. :D

Thanks for the tip. I'm ordering it.

JosephP
09-23-08, 07:58 PM
I have been selling off my SD collection over the last few months. Sold my Indy set, Godfather Collection, Die Hard box and many other various titles. I have probably sold about $200 to $300 worth. I know some don't want to hear it, but in ten years SD content is going to be practically worthless. The only SD content I suggest people keep is content that is highly unlikely to see a HD release.

You can bet your bottom dollar that most major classics or blockbusters of the last 40 years will be released on BD eventually.
It's very possible that 10 years down the road physical disc HDM media may be about as worthless and made obsolete by ultra cheap portable DD devices.

Franin
09-23-08, 08:22 PM
This is totally true, but that's my point. I won't watch those movies because I know I'll be watching it thinking, "man, there's probably a whole lot of detail that I know I should be seeing, but I'm not." That being said, I'm willing to watch movies on blu ray that I like until said movies come out in this format.

Sorry, I wasn't aware of any thread that got deleted or banned - I don't usually post on the forums, but I just wanted to see how many others were in my boat.

Don't worry mate, there are many of us that are taking the HD road only now.

mikenike
09-23-08, 11:21 PM
I have been selling off my SD collection over the last few months. Sold my Indy set, Godfather Collection, Die Hard box and many other various titles. I have probably sold about $200 to $300 worth. I know some don't want to hear it, but in ten years SD content is going to be practically worthless. The only SD content I suggest people keep is content that is highly unlikely to see a HD release.

You can bet your bottom dollar that most major classics or blockbusters of the last 40 years will be released on BD eventually.
Same here... all my SDs traded in for about $200 at MovieStop. The trade-in values are terrible, but many of my SDs were pretty old titles.

As for that Vietnamese company, they'll probably convert in four or five years. I know that many of their latest programs were mastered in high definition. It'd be hard to trade, though, because there's not really a Vietnamese trade-in company. Even on DVD and VHS, the programs run at $25 each, and I've collected since their early titles on VHS (numbers 39 to 93, they're soon going on to 94 and 95 by years end).

General Kenobi
09-23-08, 11:35 PM
Check out The Fall soon if you can.. Simply gorgeous, it begs to be seen on blu-ray. :D

Thanks for the tip, I had no idea what this movie was so I didn't do more than glance at the cover art as I was moving through the forums but after reading some of the reviews I'm going to grab this tomorrow.