Hey everyone, I should have my Def tech speaker set and the SuperCube iii delivered tommorow, ima give the supercube a few shots and if i dont like it ill just send it back.

Btw guys please bare with me because im really feeling bad , i think i have a fever or something.

I did alot of reading, both here on AVS and one some other forums aswell and you guys were right(sorry i didnt listen) the eD A2 300 seems to be really one hell of subwoofer, surely an ugly one but by the glowing reviews people love it alot and it could also save me some money, and i honestly dont mind waiting for them to make it for me, i can use the Onkyo sub meanwhile.

From the stuff i read, the best Bang for the buck subwoofer would be the A2 300 like you guys recommanded me all way through , then there is the SVS PB10 which is another choice that i have, i decided i dont want to spend too much for a sub because im in an apartment and trust me its hard to crank up the volume because the floor is shaking pretty well with a subwoofer and so i cant crank it up very loudly and even if i happen to move to a bigger place or whatever , i seen photos of people using the eD in bigger rooms than mine so i think it would be enough for future investment too (or am i wrong here? )

These 2 subs seem to be the best bang for the buck , if you had to choose, which one would you go for , the eD or the SVS? which one is a better overall sub? (keeping future investment in mind )

I dont want to buy any of the $500+ subs, i cant afford that at this moment, i did the math and with the money i paid for my supercube iii i could have bough the eD a2 300 + 2 EXTRA Def tech ProMonitor 800 speakers to create a 7.1 setup instead of the 5.1 and that would cost me $555 shipped. i paid $580 for the supercube III.

bottom line is that the eD is a better subwoofer in ALL aspects than the super iii? and between the SVS and the eD, which one is the way to go? (if there is any other sub i should consider let me know) i am willing to pay the 400+ for the SVS its just that the eD is a better bang for the buck but im not sure about performance as i havent heared either..

Thanks guys and sorry again, im listening this time.

A) I hope you feel better
B) Either way your neighbors will hate you ;>

Thanks mate,

but i can lower the volume of the sub, or then the Sub becomes useless?

But the eD A2 300 ,is it better in all aspects than the supercube iii that i will be recieving tommorow? (probably other than Looks lol )

Without ever having heard either of the subs and going only by their specs, I would say that the eD will outperform the SCIII across the board.

If you are worried about the looks of the sub.
For an extra $35 you can upgrade to a matte finish as opposed to their bedliner finish.

Yea i just checked out the matte vs the Oyde and i can defintley see myself adding $35 more and buying the matte finish, it looks MUCH better with from the comparison picture , and since my apartment has hardwood floor , do you think i need Hourglass foot style too or that doesnt really matter? Would the Hourglass foot style provide less vibration than the Spike foot style?

I dont think it would effect vibrations either way. I would get the hourglass feet. I could definitely see the spikes scratching your wood floor.

If you are worried about your neighbors, google Auralex Subdude or Gramma.

I tried one and didnt really notice a difference. Other people swear by them tho.

If you really go with the ed and get a finish, I think you will have enough cash left over to buy a spl meter to calibrate your subwoofer. :D Its about $50 for the digital spl meter from radio shack. It basically tells you how loud things are. You use it to match the level of the subwoofer to your main speakers. You will probably have your subwoofer calibrated several db higher than your mains,since you don't listen at reference level, I think lol:D What receiver do you currently have? I ask since you mentioned having money to make it a 7.1 hometheater.

The eD will absolutely outperform the SCIII - as they say on the track, there is no substitute for displacement.

Keep in mind, the A2-300 is NOT a small black box. If you're serious, I would highly recommend making a cardboard mock up using the dimensions from eD's site so you can get an idea of how big this thing is. The external volume of the cabinet is roughly 6 1/2 times more than the DT - that's why it does what it does so well, big driver in a big ported box = lots of air moved. I have an A3-300 that replaced a compact M&K - I mocked it up before I got it and I was still a bit surprised at the size when I got it. Fortunately I have it hidden in the corner behind my RPTV so it isn't really noticeable from most of the room (until you turn it up!).

They are absolutely awesome subs, very well built, an excellent value (particularly the A2-300 on sale), and a great company to do business with - but they ain't little boxes!!

And on hardwood, you definitely want the hourglass feet - the box is not only big, but heavy, and those spikes are really pointy!

From the pictures he had in the other thread, he had an Onkyo sub (which isn't all that dinky, either) in a corner with considerable space around it. I think it'll fit.

These 2 subs seem to be the best bang for the buck , if you had to choose, which one would you go for , the eD or the SVS? which one is a better overall sub? (keeping future investment in mind )

Honestly, I don't think either is "better." Craigsub ranked them equally overall, with a slight, SLIGHT, edge to the eD in movies and an equally slight edge to the SVS in music. You probably won't hear any difference if you compared them in person in your room.

It just depends on what you want. You could have the SVS sub within the week. The eD is cheaper.

I have the ONKYO SR606 reciever, brilliant reciever and it has the Automatic AUDYSSEY calibration , it calibrates all the speakers + sub's volumes, distances and frequencies automaticlly, people question its ability to set the Frequencys correctly but the distances between speakers and the volumes are usually spot on (i measured both the volumes and the distances with my friend and they were dead on correct).

I spoke to Chet from Definitive Technology on the phone and he told me that the optimal frequency setting for my definitive Technology speakers would be the following regarldess of what AUDYSSEY sets them to:

(Front speakers)ProMonitor 1000: 80hz
(Center Speaker)ProCenter 2000: 80hz
(Surrounds)ProMonitor 800: 100hz
(Subwoofer) Supercube iii: 80hz

What does the eD a2 300 need to be set to? also 80hz for optimal sound?


Im going to give the Supercube iii a try and see how it performs, i can easily send the supercube iii back without paying restocking fee or shipping and im highly thinking to do that because it seems like nonsense to me now that im thinking about my action that i paid so much for a subwoofer, where at the same price i could have had a possibly better subwoofer(according to everyone) and bought 2 additional rear back speakers to create a 7 speaker set vs a 5 speaker set for the exact same price.

you cant go wrong with that A2 300 right? and if its too loud and i lower its volume, do i still get my money's worth?

My Onkyo subwoofer is

18 Hight
16 Length
11 Width

I can imagine that the eD is pretty big measuring at 18x18x21, but i dont think its a problem as i can put it in the corner there and it wont look too bad because ill purchase the Matte finish, ill buy the Hourglass foot also i guess. its still a great price , will cost me $365. But ill like that sub even at low volumes right guys?

I don't think any of the ID companies subs can be considered "small", unless you compare them to some D.i.y sonotube giants.:D My hsu 3.3 is a bigger than my 2 old 12's put side by side.:D All the Id companies give dimensions look at them and use a measuring tape. I think you will be surprised from the size. And the shipping packaging gives such a good expression too lol. When my friends first saw the box for my 3.3 they were like wtf!! it was huge especially with the turbo box attached to them. I took some crappy cell phone picks a few months ago.:D I was throwing the boxes away. Please excuse the ugly lighting and weird looking floor lol. Im looking for some new flooring to replace. Ive been slowly getting rid of my carpet. lol. The room looks totally different now but. im posting some pics because I made the mistake not making measurements of the stuff.:D I made it fit. The huge furniture thing to the left is now gone. Its such a crappy pic but with a 50inch tv in the back for reference. Lol back in the your old post I commented on your flooring. I will be getting new flooring and curtains and writing a review of the stuff later on. It the room looks so much better and bigger in person lol.The box to the right is due to hsu double boxing. So my point make sure you have space for your sub. lol (Im sure you will.) My subs are not visible too by the way. Some day I will get some good pic here on avs. sorry for the long post just bored lol.

hehe that box is huge man :D but i think i defintley have room for 18x18x21, why not.. i have the corner so its all good.. im going to re arrange the room so i might even have 2 corners in that case(unlike the 1 corner i have now )

hehe that box is huge man :D but i think i defintley have room for 18x18x21, why not.. i have the corner so its all good.. im going to re arrange the room so i might even have 2 corners in that case(unlike the 1 corner i have now )

Just experiment with different places. I think you can disable the crossover on the ed subwoofer. So your receiver will take care of the crossover points and all you have to worry on the sub unit is the volume and the phase.

What does the eD a2 300 need to be set to? also 80hz for optimal sound?




No....max the dial or bypass the xover depending on the sub control, otherwise you are cascading xovers bad idea. You Onkyo takes care of it when you set it to 80.

Im going to be using a single Subwoofer cable ( i got a 16 ft Monster subwoofer cable for 20 bucks at radioshack and it was the last one so i just bought it ),

On the supercube III subwoofer , if you use a single subwoofer cable rather than the Y cable, the crossover settings and the other knobs on the back of the sub are Bypassed and it gets handled by the reciever, the only knob in effect is the VOLUME knob on the back of the sub , its not like that on the eD?

On my a5-350, the amp had an LFE-in connection that bypassed the xover when used.
I dont think the amp on this sub has that connection option. You would have to raise it to the highest possible setting on the sub.

No....max the dial or bypass the xover depending on the sub control, otherwise you are cascading xovers bad idea. You Onkyo takes care of it when you set it to 80.

I didnt really understand what you mean, i guess its because i dont have the sub infront of me and im not familiar with controls behind the subwoofer because my onkyo sub has only 1 control on its back and its the volume control.


Honestly, tommorow im going to just play around with the supercube iii in the evening when i get home and then the next day ill probably arrange a return and ship the supercube iii back to them and ill order the eD and probably 2 Extra ProMonitor 800s to create a 7 speaker set and it would cost me the same :p

from the reviews i read on the eD i dont think the SVS is needed for me especially as it doesnt cost the same as the eD (around $100+ more ) and i dont think i need any better sub, ill order the Matte finish with the Hourglass foot style so that it doesnt scratch my floor. the eD gets low to 18hz which is nice right? cant ask for anything better i think so..

Also the subs LPF of LFE that you have set to 80 is not a xover and has no effect on the xovers you choose for your other speakers.

Also the subs LPF of LFE that you have set to 80 is not a xover and has no effect on the xovers you choose for your other speakers.

im not sure i understand what you mean mate :confused:

The xover setting you choose for your 5 or 7 "normal" speakers redirects bass from those speakers and sends it to your sub.

This is not the only info on movie tracks. There is also the LFE channel which is sent to the sub. The .1 in 5.1. This is an entirely separate channel independent from your other speakers. This channel can have info up to 120 hz although anything over 80 hz is rare. LPF of LFE is not a crossover, it is more like a brick wall filter. Any info above the LPF of LFE that you choose will not be redirected anywhere, it will simply be discarded.

The info your sub recieves is:
1) Redirected bass from your speakers (as chosen by your speaker xovers)
2) The LFE channel. (below the LPF that you choose)

Thanks Hot Grits (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/member.php?u=7950306), ill get to that discussion when i get my sub , ill know better then, up until now i didnt need to worry about anything like that , its all handled by my reciever(my sub has no controls of any kind, just a volume control Knob on the back, thats all )

cheers.

Big day today (getting my speakers delivered :D )

Guys, is it possible by all means that the A2 will be too much for me? too much as in it being too loud, and from your expirience does it stay loud(vibrate the wall and stuff like that ) even if you lower it's volume? (regardless of placement, in general.. )

And does the sub become useless if i lower its volume say around half way or a little less than half, or you can still hear the nice bass without it being too vibraty and loudy?


I couldnt find any info on this but just for peace of mind, im not allowed to return the eD to elemental designs if i dont like it right?

Thanks guys.

I dont think it will be too much for you. I have never heard this sub, but it is a 12 inch sub with a 250 watt amp. I dont think it is going to shake the foundation of your house.

The gain on back of the sub is not really a volume control. You are going to set that probably around halfway and than run audessey. After you run Audessey, the trim level on your reciever for the sub should be somewhere around 0 db. If not, you could play with the gain and the trim level on your reciever to get a happy medium between the 2. You would need an SPL meter for this.

After this is set up, I would not touch the gain on back of the sub again. If you wanted to lower the sub's volume. I would do it through the reciever, making sure to note what level it was at before changing it.

I believe your Onkyo AVR also has a function called Late Night Mode. You can also enable this at the times you didnt want to disturb your neighbors.

Back to your original question, if you turn the volume down to a level where you aren't able to hear the sub, than I think it would be a waste. But this goes for any sub, not just the eD. I think you will be fine. Once calibrated, at normal listening levels, you should be fine. If you really want to crank the volume up, your other speakers would be disturbing the neighbors anyway.

Buy the sub. You will not be disappointed.

Big day today (getting my speakers delivered :D )

Guys, is it possible by all means that the A2 will be too much for me? too much as in it being too loud, and from your expirience does it stay loud(vibrate the wall and stuff like that ) even if you lower it's volume? (regardless of placement, in general.. )

And does the sub become useless if i lower its volume say around half way or a little less than half, or you can still hear the nice bass without it being too vibraty and loudy?
If you calibrate the system using the Audyssey MultEQ XT, you'll be setting the level of the sub relative to the speakers. If you want to maintain that calibration, the only way to turn down the level of the sub is to turn down the level of the system. If you turn down the level of the sub independent of the level of the speakers, you will lose the calibration.

One thing you can do to reduce the coupling of the bass to the floor and walls is to place the sub on a SubDude:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SubDude/
This will isolate the mechanical vibrations from the floor.

If you're in an apartment that is not well isolated acoustically from the neighbors, and you plan to stay in such an apartment for the foreseeable future, a powerful sub will be more of a frustrating hindrance than a benefit. You won't be able to use it adequately without bothering your neighbors.

Craig

If you calibrate the system using the Audyssey MultEQ XT, you'll be setting the level of the sub relative to the speakers. If you want to maintain that calibration, the only way to turn down the level of the sub is to turn down the level of the system. If you turn down the level of the sub independent of the level of the speakers, you will lose the calibration.

One thing you can do to reduce the coupling of the bass to the floor and walls is to place the sub on a SubDude:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SubDude/
This will isolate the mechanical vibrations from the floor.

If you're in an apartment that is not well isolated acoustically from the neighbors, and you plan to stay in such an apartment for the foreseeable future, a powerful sub will be more of a frustrating hindrance than a benefit. You won't be able to use it adequately without bothering your neighbors.

Craig


Thanks mate, one thing tho, the subdude and Gramma are too small, the ed a2 300 is 18x18x21, the Gramma is 23x15x2.75

Subdude is only 15x15 aswell.. that would mean that some part of the sub will be hanging out of the pad and how would i even do that, i mean 2 front legs will be on the pad and the other 2 legs will be off the bad, that would cause the sub to be tilted, :confused:

The feet are recessed, that is why i suggested you post this question on the eD owner's thread so that Chris or Alex or another eD employee could tell you how far the feet are from eachother. My A5-350 fit on a Greatgramma and it is a bigger than the sub you are looking at.

You would get better responses regarding eD products on their owner's thread instead of starting a new thread for each question you have.

oh I see, so the feet are not on the ends of the subwoofer corners right? Agh what a relief, so you think it would fit right?

I'm gonna check the eD thread and ask the guys there aswell

Cheers guys, i just ordered my A2 300!! with a matte finish :o;)

I recieved an email named "Order Process"

So whats next, ill be recieving emails throught the whole process?

Thanks for helping me choose guys.

Cheers guys, i just ordered my A2 300!! with a matte finish :o;)

I recieved an email named "Order Process"

So whats next, ill be recieving emails throught the whole process?

Thanks for helping me choose guys.

Have you tried the Supercube III at all or are you just going to send it straight back? I'm still curious to at least know what you think of it.

No i didnt even bother, id rather send it back wrapped like it came than to open it and then wrap it again.. like the title says , i did some thinking and for the price i paid for the cube i bought the a2 300 (with matte finish) and 2 more ProMonitor 800s to make a 7 speaker set, it cost me $590, nearly the same price i paid for the cube($580).. so even if the cube was any good, i wont keep it cuz i just dont need it and im getting a better sub + 2 rear back speakers for nearly the same price..

I dont want to open it cuz they told me that if i return it and theres something missing then they will charge me restocking fee, im confident ill put everything back in the box but i never returned something i bought online so maybe they'll say something is missing or whatever even tho it isnt so i just dont want to take any chances..

Why would you do that? It could have been the best sub you have heard in your life.......

Don't confuse him! We don't need another 60+ post thread about it. :mad:

Why would you do that? It could have been the best sub you have heard in your life.......
:eek::D
LOl it would have probably been his best experience with a sub since he is coming from a cheap home theater in a box woofer.:D

lol, maybe but i dont even care, i dont need a sub that costs $580, i ordered the awesome A2 300 with with the matte finish :o for $350 and a pair of def tech ProMonitor 800s to make my speaker system into a 7 speaker system. Total cost me $590, 10 bucks more than what the Supercube iii cost me alone :D

Btw i got the def tech speakers today, they sound soooo bloody awesome :o ;)

my hears have been bleeding with the onkyo speakers all this time :p

The center channel especially is unbelivable(The ProCenter 2000).

lol, maybe but i dont even care, i dont need a sub that costs $580, i ordered the awesome A2 300 with with the matte finish :o for $350 and a pair of def tech ProMonitor 800s to make my speaker system into a 7 speaker system. Total cost me $590, 10 bucks more than what the Supercube iii cost me alone :D

Btw i got the def tech speakers today, they sound soooo bloody awesome :o ;)

my hears have been bleeding with the onkyo speakers all this time :p

The center channel especially is unbelivable(The ProCenter 2000).

Glad you like your speakers. It will be tough being without a sub for a while, but it'll be worth it. I should know, because I'm also currently subless. I sold my other subs and am still waiting for my new one to arrive. It's painful now, but it'll be SOO worth it in the end :D

yea man, i guess its upto eD now to build my sub.. i hope it doesnt take too long

you know how i feel like now.. i feel like something is not complete LOL , even tho my speakers are all setup and everything im missing something(obviously the sub.. ), i didnt even run the autocalibration on my onkyo reciever (as much as i wanted), ill wait for the sub and then ill do that..

boy is this gonna be a long wait or what :D

yea man, i guess its upto eD now to build my sub.. i hope it doesnt take too long

you know how i feel like now.. i feel like something is not complete LOL , even tho my speakers are all setup and everything im missing something(obviously the sub.. ), i didnt even run the autocalibration on my onkyo reciever (as much as i wanted), ill wait for the sub and then ill do that..

boy is this gonna be a long wait or what :D

Yeah, things aren't exactly calibrated perfectly right now for me either. I haven't watched any concerts or movies for a couple of weeks. I've played some games on my PS3, but nothing big. I can't wait for my Castle to arrive! And yes, the wait can seem long, but try to keep busy with other things so you don't think about it too much. Besides, I'd bet your new speakers sound as good as or better than your old setup did WITH the sub!

Yeah, things aren't exactly calibrated perfectly right now for me either. I haven't watched any concerts or movies for a couple of weeks. I've played some games on my PS3, but nothing big. I can't wait for my Castle to arrive! And yes, the wait can seem long, but try to keep busy with other things so you don't think about it too much. Besides, I'd bet your new speakers sound as good as or better than your old setup did WITH the sub!
lol It's funny how important our subwoofers have become to us bassheads.:D Heck, it seems so important now to the op and he hasn't even received his sub.Most people dont understand until they experience some clean and loud bass with great extension. It adds so much to the music/tv/gaming/movie experience. To me its like 60%of the hometheater experience. LOl its to bad most people think bass head are those people with the loud ass one note booms that rattle the windows when they drive by. :D Just My opinion though.:cool:

hehe, ill try to keep busy man. the status is still "Processing" on the eD website :D

guys i have one question, when i placed my order, it didnt ask me for my phone number or what type of credit card ill be using(it said what credit cards they are accepting) but there was no space to specify what kind of credit card number im putting.. so i just entered my mastercard credit card number in there along with the expiration date, they'll find out themselves the rest of the info? and how will they contact me if they dont have my phone number? or they only contact by email?

Thanks

don't confuse him! We don't need another 60+ post thread about it. :mad:

+1

Don't confuse him! We don't need another 60+ post thread about it. :mad:

I love that just a week ago in the other thread that the A2-300 wasn't even being considered no matter how many people were saying it was the best thing to get for the money. Then in this thread the A2-300 has become the "awesome" sub :D

reading was the key :o :)

I was turned off by the wait time but good things come to these who wait LOL ;) .. im checking the ed website for the process everyday lol

its at "Awaiting Woodshop" right now :D

reading was the key :o :)

I was turned off by the wait time but good things come to these who wait LOL ;) .. im checking the ed website for the process everyday lol

its at "Awaiting Woodshop" right now :D

You might not want to check it all too frequently. The more you look the longer it'll seem before you get it. I'm trying to do everything I can not to think about the sub I ordered a couple weeks ago. So far it hasn't been as bad as I thought it might be. But you can bet once I have a tracking number it'll be on my mind 24/7 :cool:

hahahaha sure thing man, the tracking number is the most addicting "drug" in all this process LOL :D

Yea im tryin to not thinkg about it u know but im actually not going to watch any movie or anything to test the speakers performance or anything, i mean i tested it a few yesterday to make sure all works good but i dont want to enjoy the sound to the fullest until i get the subwoofer u know what i mean lol i must not be alone on this .. :D

besides i should have 2 EXTRA promonitor 800s for the REAR BACKs coming this tuesday to make my speaker set to 7.1 rather than 5.1 so thats holding me back even more..

But yea im not going to watch any hd movie or anything like that , ill just play the 360 and watch cable tv as usuall but nothing more.. i want to have everything setup nicely and then sit down and pop some blueray in and be blown away when everything is set up :D


Hey check this, i actually have a Log of my friend who ordered a sub from eD and the log shows how long it takes for every step APPROXIMTLEY , id guess its not the same for everyone but more or less, here it is:

07/28/2008 Processing
07/28/2008 Awaiting Woodshop
08/06/2008 Box Under Construction
08/12/2008 Awaiting Paint
08/15/2008 In Paintroom
08/18/2008 Pending Shipment
08/19/2008 Shipped

hehe :D

Hey check this, i actually have a Log of my friend who ordered a sub from eD and the log shows how long it takes for every step APPROXIMTLEY , id guess its not the same for everyone but more or less, here it is:

07/28/2008 Processing
07/28/2008 Awaiting Woodshop
08/06/2008 Box Under Construction
08/12/2008 Awaiting Paint
08/15/2008 In Paintroom
08/18/2008 Pending Shipment
08/19/2008 Shipped

hehe :D

The time these steps take are definately different for everyone. Someone posted in the eD forum on 9/22 that their sub has been pending shipment since 9/8. Also I ordered my sub a few weeks ago and I never had the awaiting paintroom step. It jumped from box under construction to in paintroom.

yea raziel ur right, i said that above, its different for everyone..

my process is now : Box Under Construction

now thats sweet !! :D

You still have the Onkyo "sub", right? I think I used my Onkyo for about three weeks before buying a new sub after upgrading my mains. In fact, I think I still have some photos of it somewhere.

yes i do have it , i told my father to wait a bit(i need to give him the onkyo sub) . i can barely hear the sub tho and its gain is set to 7(it goes from 1-10). its a really crappy sub, i mean u dont feel or anything like that, just when there is some serious action and the obvious, it doesnt go low or anything like that.. the volume on the reciever is calibrated so volume is not to blame..

man i cant wait to get the eD, i will finally finish up my system and i can finally enjoy it, i cant enjoy it right now..

I have a question tulpa, i ordered 2 more ProMonitor 800s for the rear back speakers to make a 7 speaker set, its worth it right man? i got em both for $240 shipped from abt.

It's worth it if you have the room that can handle 7.1 (meaning, 5-8 feet or so behind your seated position for the rears.) If not, I would stick with 5.1 and maximize that. A proper 5.1 will sound better than a messed up 7.1. A proper 7.1 is best, but again, depends on the room.

wait so if they rear back speakers are mounted right behind my head, it wont be a "proper" 7.1 setup?

to close you want at least 2feet read this
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_entertainment/roomlayout.html

i see, ill do that then , the rear backs will be mounted about 3-4 feet behind me, ill have to check it out when we re arrange the room , as we have it setup now, one rear back is farther than the other rear back from the listening area because our sofa is placed in an unusuall way, i want to get the room properly setup for surround sound, mean having surround speakres right to the sides and rear backs right behind me ( a few feet away of course.. )


But all in all if i can pull it out and have the rear backs a few feet away from me its worth it right?

yup

yup

tell him the truth, lol.
only if you have a receiver that can matrix 5.1 to 7.1
or a hd source recorded in 7.1

Yes i do have a reciever that matrixes 5.1 to 7.1, the onkyo sr606, like i said before i had a 7 speaker set hooked up to that reciever alrready (Onkyo speakers) and it was all good ,its just that there wasnt much heared from these 2 guys in the back but then again i dont have my rear back speakers setup correctly because of my room limitation, they are not behind my head, the left rear back is in behind my head about 5 ft but the right right back is in the other side of the wall, the reason for that misplacement is because my couch is placed in the side of the room, im trying to think how i can re arrange the room so that i would have a proprer surround speaker placement..