Looks like the HD-DVD guys loved it. Anyone get it yet?

Roy Orbison impression (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYLNG1aSI1c).

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DVDBeaver's got some JPG direct-screen grabs. Looks pretty darn good, though grain-haters may not like it.

Roy Orbison impression (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYLNG1aSI1c).

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Alright Mr. comedien... :D

I assume you are talking about Black and White Night. I have the DVD and the HD-DVD. PQ-wise, both are great.

AQ, The HD-DVD DD True Audio was a completely new mix compared to the DVD. I felt that RO was brought up in the center channel and many insturments moved to the front channels and as a result, many of the other talented musicians weren't heard as well as the DVD's DTS track. Items left in the surround were lowered in volume.

The HD-DVD is clean and if it was the first version that I had heard, I would probably rave about it too. But I appreciate the 3D sound field, the higher highs on the guitar strings, the more prevalent electric organ and backup vocals of the DTS soundtrack on the DVD.

Just my $.02. I hope they went back to the earlier mix on the Blu-Ray. I'd buy it a third time then.

I assume you are talking about Black and White Night. I have the DVD and the HD-DVD. PQ-wise, both are great.

AQ, The HD-DVD DD True Audio was a completely new mix compared to the DVD. I felt that RO was brought up in the center channel and many insturments moved to the front channels and as a result, many of the other talented musicians weren't heard as well as the DVD's DTS track. Items left in the surround were lowered in volume.

The HD-DVD is clean and if it was the first version that I had heard, I would probably rave about it too. But I appreciate the 3D sound field, the higher highs on the guitar strings, the more prevalent electric organ and backup vocals of the DTS soundtrack on the DVD.

Just my $.02. I hope they went back to the earlier mix on the Blu-Ray. I'd buy it a third time then.


Well, that would just suck. The mix on the DVD is excellent.

Thanks guys. I'll check it out.

Well, that would just suck. The mix on the DVD is excellent.

The TrueHD track on the HD-DVD isn't bad, perhaps just different and I prefer the DVD. Some people like being surrounded by instruments and being in the center of the music performace. Other people like most of the music in front of them with just ambiance in the surrounds. The TrueHD mix seemed to be more of the latter type. A couple of the tracks have some vocals and instruments in the rear channels, but they are lower, but still clearly heard.

My biggest complaint is that the guitar strings just don't have the upper frequency twang and 3D soundfield that was present on the DTS DVD track and the electric organ sounds dramatically different between mixes.

I listened to both DVD and HD-DVD again last night and the TrueHD mix was cleaner, but everything I wrote about the DTS DVD track versus the TrueHD track remains unchanged in my mind.

I honestly don't care if the instruments are in front or surrounding me as long as the levels and placement is good. If they have buried some of the instruments that just sucks.

Unfortunately, it's still cropped to 16x9 though.

I guess I will just enjoy my HD DVD version. The music and the presentation (with grain) is just fine with me. I do recommend this disc (either Blu-ray or HD DVD) for anyone who loves Roy Orbison. If unsure rent it first and you decide.

So, does anyone have the BR version yet? If so, what audio options does the disk offer?

Just picked it up at Best Buy for $19.99. It has DTS-MA 5.1, Dolby Digital 5.1, and PCM 2.0. Watched it all the way through and the DTS-MA track sounds fantastic to my ears, easily better than the DTS track on the old DVD. Whether it's a different mix, I can't say, but I'm very happy with the upgrade.

The real question is whether the surround mix here is similar to the ones on the SACD and the DVD-Audio of this concert. Lossless surround audio existed before Blu-ray...

Well, that would just suck. The mix on the DVD is excellent.
The backup vocals, Elvis Costello's and Tom Waits' organ fills are very prevalent in the surrounds of this mix. Each voice and note is quite distinct and clear. No muddiness to my ears.

Just picked it up at Best Buy for $19.99. It has DTS-MA 5.1, Dolby Digital 5.1, and PCM 2.0.

Thanks for the reply. That is a bit disappointing to me. I am trying to pick it up for my brother and his Sony BDP-S300. I was hoping that it had a PCM 5.1 or a DolbyTrueHD track, as that player won't do DTS-HD MA. I guess he will have to settle for the DTS core, which I have heard sounds nearly the same. :(

The backup vocals, Elvis Costello's and Tom Waits' organ fills are very prevalent in the surrounds of this mix. Each voice and note is quite distinct and clear. No muddiness to my ears.

interesting. To me personally it's always a bit disorienting and odd when I watch musicians on stage, in essence in front of me and certain instruments are in the surrounds. On a regular recording it's ok but while watching a live concert disc it just throws me. Will have to rent it. thanks

If I recall correctly, the girls back-up vocals and miscellaneous organ parts were also in the surround channels of the DVD DTS mix. I can't go back and check, as I traded in the DVD for store credit at FYE.

Skimmed through it last night. Lots of use of side surrounds... which sounds cool, but also sounds unnatural. On the other hand, SQ wise, this is one of the best.

There's an extensive thread on this concert in the HD-DVD forum, worth a read if you're concerned about the audio and mix.

I've found that the mix can sound very different on different surround systems, and careful calibration makes it sound a lot better. Dropping the surround levels a notch or 2 helps as well. I do not believe that the HD-DVD has a different mix than the DVD, (I have both), but it IS a different encode which reveals the mix differently. Also good to note that the concert was originally mastered in Dolby Surround 2-ch, which the 2-ch PCM stream will duplicate. Some folks might prefer using that stream with PLIIx processing.

Okay I had this on DVD and HD-DVD and now Blu-Ray.

Let me say the DTS-HD-MA track is poor. I usually prefer the DTS-HD-MA tracks but this one sounds muffled. The DD5.1 track on the other hand is awesome and that is the one I stuck with on the Blu-Ray version.

Okay I had this on DVD and HD-DVD and now Blu-Ray.

Let me say the DTS-HD-MA track is poor. I usually prefer the DTS-HD-MA tracks but this one sounds muffled. The DD5.1 track on the other hand is awesome and that is the one I stuck with on the Blu-Ray version.

How does DTS-DVD compare?

How does DTS-DVD compare?

I have both the DTS DVD & as of yesterday the Blu-ray version. After reading this thread I was worried that the DTS HD-MA version would not be as good as the DTS disk. Not to worry, the Blu-ray sounds great to me and my wife. The video is also much cleaner, although there is obviously one camera that had a problem that is easily seen in Blu-ray, but no so much in SD.

For an A vs. B comparsion, we played "In Dreams" back-to-back in both versions. No comparsion, the Blu-ray sounded considerably better. Even my wife said that the Blu-ray was considerably better.

Actually, I was surprised how much better the DTS HD-MA sounded vs. the DTS DVD, which I have used as my "reference" audio show disk for years.

I believe that one camera was a super 8 film camera. Was done for artistic reasons..

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0500183/technical

Film negative format (mm/video inches)
35 mm
8 mm (handheld camera, audience shots)


:)

The performance was shot on 3 type cameras, 8mm, 16mm and 35mm. Each is pretty easy to pick out if you look for them.

The HD-DVD and BD releases are new masters and mixes, and shouldn't sound anything like the original DD or DTS. It'd be nice to see a comparison of the HD-DVD THD and BD DTS-HD tracks to see if they are different mixes or just different encodes. They really shouldn't sound any different.

How does DTS-DVD compare?

My ranking from Best to Worst-

1. DD5.1- Blu-Ray
2. DTS 5.1- DVD
3. DTS-HD-MA Blu-Ray (What went wrong :( )

My ranking from Best to Worst-

1. DD5.1- Blu-Ray
2. DTS 5.1- DVD
3. DTS-HD-MA Blu-Ray (What went wrong :( )

??????What???????

I only tried the MA version, but if dolby sounded better, than there is no reason for the new codecs. I'll try it later but am highly skeptical.:D

Shamus I usually prefer the lossless tracks but the DD5.1 sounded unmuffled compared to the DTS-HD-MA. YMMV.

Could very well be the new mix and not the codec.

Could very well be the new mix and not the codec.

I did a little listening to both. Sounds like the same mix to me. DTS sounded a bit better, dolby was louder though.

A very fine sounding DTS-MA disk.
Captures Roy Orbison's incredibly emotional voice perfectly.:cool:
Hard not to tap your feet and smile during this concert.

My ranking from Best to Worst-

1. DD5.1- Blu-Ray
2. DTS 5.1- DVD
3. DTS-HD-MA Blu-Ray (What went wrong :( )

This is interesting, until recently I only owned the original DVD with DD5.1. I found the DVD version with DTS and immediately liked the DTS 5.1 on DVD.

I have the new bluray but really haven't had a chance to compare. Is there any particular song that stands out for you between the 3? I'd like to try and compare since this is such a fantastic recording.

Personal favorite is 'The Comedians' and of course when they all guitar duel during pretty woman. Bruce looks like he's genuinely having a good time on stage playing with Roy Orbison.

This audio has been released in at least 7 different mixes and masters.

1) VHS - Dolby surround 2-ch
2) DVD - 5.1 DTS and DD5.1 and DD 2.0
3) CD - 2-ch PCM
4) DVD again with SACD.
5) DVD and DVD-A
6) HD-DVD - DD+ 5.1 and 2.0 plus THD 5.1
7) BD

Did I miss any?

I saw Roy Orbison perform live 3 times.

This disc comes close to Roy's live sound.

He was a great singer, truly missed.

The only thing this disc needs is a "remembering Roy" type segment where people who performed during this show told of their experience. There is a bit of this in the closing credits section, but I would love to know more about Roy the person.

I would love to know more about Roy the person.
In Dreams (http://www.amazon.com/Dreams-Roy-Orbison/dp/B000IU3YNC/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1237235674&sr=1-5)

This audio has been released in at least 7 different mixes and masters.

1) VHS - Dolby surround 2-ch
2) DVD - 5.1 DTS and DD5.1 and DD 2.0
3) CD - 2-ch PCM
4) DVD again with SACD.
5) DVD and DVD-A
6) HD-DVD - DD+ 5.1 and 2.0 plus THD 5.1
7) BD

Did I miss any?you must love him veery much,I guess.I also love his songs.

Sooo...

Is the DTS-MA track on the BD version the same overall mix as the DTS DVD (just lossless this time)? I liked having the instruments surrounding me... just like in The Eagles: Hell Freezes Over DTS DVD.

When will we get HFO on Blu?

Sooo...

Is the DTS-MA track on the BD version the same overall mix as the DTS DVD (just lossless this time)?
The SACD, DVD-A, HD-DVD and BD surround mixes are all very much the same.

In Dreams (http://www.amazon.com/Dreams-Roy-Orbison/dp/B000IU3YNC/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1237235674&sr=1-5)I took your advise and ordered this from BB.

Excellent for any Orbison fan. One of the few times you get to see him talk!!

As the DVD points out, he was a unique talent and a kind and decent human being. Wish he had lived long enough to see his "come back" fully realized.

To his fans, he never went away...

Thanks for turning me on to this career retrospective. I enjoyed every minute of it.

The SACD, DVD-A, HD-DVD and BD surround mixes are all very much the same.

What about the DVD DTS mix?

What about the DVD DTS mix?

For years I used the DTS DVD version of this concert as one of my demo disks. The AQ on this disk is still one of the best I have heard. I now have the Blu-ray version and the mix seems to me to be very close.

What about the DVD DTS mix?

I'd say the mix is close, but the SQ is not. The HD-DVD, BD and SACD/DVD-A were re-mastered. (new transfer)