View Full Version : Is it reasonable to expect entire seasons of shows on a single Blu-ray, in SD?


schizogony
09-30-08, 06:21 AM
I'd be all for a whole season of The Simpsons or Seinfeld on a single BD, in 480p.



That's probably ridiculous to expect though.

Kram Sacul
09-30-08, 06:41 AM
It's not rediculous at all. High bitrate vc-1 or avc SD would be great. Seinfeld would be in HD though. Hopefully not cropped.

schizogony
09-30-08, 07:32 AM
Yeah, they'll probably want to remaster them in highdef just to show off (and use more discs and charge more). :mad:

Li'l Jimmy
09-30-08, 07:43 AM
(and use more discs and charge more). :mad:

using more discs is not the reason they would charge more. right now most blu-ray users would not bother buying a season of SD on one disc just to not have to change discs. once blu-ray has a huge chunk of the market, this might happen, but it would be a couple years off. even then, would they release 2 blu-ray packages, single SD and 4-disc HD? i dunno

BuGsArEtAsTy
09-30-08, 09:41 AM
Doesn't really make sense. If it's just SD, just release it on one SKU on DVD and be done with it. It's probably cheaper for them to do this than maintaining two SKUs of the same SD material on two different formats.

pcweber111
09-30-08, 09:43 AM
I'd rather them focus their efforts on newer shows and leave the DVD releases alone. I'm perfectly happy with my DVD tv show collections. Well, other than Star Trek: TOS. That's pretty amazing what they did with that show.

bassmonkeee
09-30-08, 10:15 AM
God, I hope not. I'd rather have multiple discs of HD material than a single Blu-Ray of SD material. It's not like they'd charge any less just because it's on one disc.

BuGsArEtAsTy
09-30-08, 10:34 AM
I'd rather them focus their efforts on newer shows and leave the DVD releases alone. I'm perfectly happy with my DVD tv show collections. Well, other than Star Trek: TOS. That's pretty amazing what they did with that show.
Well, ST is as you know a little different.

It was the same number of discs, but with HD on one side and DVD on the other. You get the best of both worlds. It was great for me, as I just bought one set of discs that would play in full HD glory on my projector, but still worked with my old DVD player in my home office. Plus, I can rip the DVD for my iPhone.

That would be ideal, but alas, no such combo format exists for Blu-ray. What would be nice is to have them package the Blu-ray and DVD in the same season 2 box, but I highly doubt they'll do that. And I'm definitely not going to buy the same title twice. I'm not 100% convinced I'd buy the Blu-ray version over the DVD though. It depends on price, and whether or not I get a second-Blu-ray player soon.

bassmonkeee
09-30-08, 10:48 AM
What would be nice is to have them package the Blu-ray and DVD in the same season 2 box, but I highly doubt they'll do that.

That's exactly what Disney is doing with Sleeping Beauty, so never say never. Of course, Disney is a special case.

jpb123
09-30-08, 11:27 AM
That's exactly what Disney is doing with Sleeping Beauty, so never say never. Of course, Disney is a special case.

I can't believe they are doing this. Surely they must lose sales of SD. If I was interested in this title I would keep the BD and give the SD to a family member who wouldn't have to buy it at all.

Are there really more actually buying it on BD because of this (creating an extra sale) than there are people not buying the SD because they get one free?

I'm not sure you can say you need it in SD for the kids either since I'm pretty sure todays kids are not too thrilled about this movie.

plissken99
09-30-08, 11:34 AM
I can't imagine studios being creative enough to do this.

What i want to do, is once blank Blu Ray media is cheap enough, get a Blu Ray burner, rip the DVDs to the hard drive, and then burn them to a single BD disc. Imagine every season of Star Trek TNG or X-Files as a two disc set that fits it's a single BD or DVD sized case, talk about major space saving!

Of course we'd need good software to allow the creation of navigation between the discs on the disc.

bassmonkeee
09-30-08, 11:42 AM
I'm not sure you can say you need it in SD for the kids either since I'm pretty sure todays kids are not too thrilled about this movie.

You must not know many kids. This is still a classic cartoon movie.

rdclark
09-30-08, 11:45 AM
It would surprise me to see this for mainstream studio releases. It would be too confusing to the consumer to offer a Blu-ray disc that isn't high definition. Besides that, the perceived value of a "boxed set" supports the high prices that season sets now command. Tough to put a $49.95 MSRP on a single disc, no matter how much programming is on it.

sharkcohen
09-30-08, 11:57 AM
I'm not sure you can say you need it in SD for the kids either since I'm pretty sure todays kids are not too thrilled about this movie.

Kids under 10 are going to be all over this.

Nisei
09-30-08, 12:40 PM
Look at how long it took before PC games were released on 1 DVD instead of multiple CDs. Why would they bother doing this at the moment? The user base is still way too small.

DasRaven
09-30-08, 01:32 PM
I sure hope so. As a confessed minimalist and avid TV series collector, this would be a dream come true.

But I don't see it happening until BD is "mainstream" because they don't want to dilute the "Blu-ray=High Definition" idea.

eddy_winds
09-30-08, 01:38 PM
it would be too confusing to the consumer to offer a blu-ray disc that isn't high definition.+1

DasRaven
09-30-08, 01:39 PM
I can't believe they are doing this. Surely they must lose sales of SD. If I was interested in this title I would keep the BD and give the SD to a family member who wouldn't have to buy it at all.

Are there really more actually buying it on BD because of this (creating an extra sale) than there are people not buying the SD because they get one free?

I'm not sure you can say you need it in SD for the kids either since I'm pretty sure todays kids are not too thrilled about this movie.

Wrong on all points.

The included DVD in the Sleeping Beauty BD is the movie only, no extras. Collectors want all the bonus content included in the other Platinum DVD sets, so they have to buy the standalone DVD SKU for that. So Disney is out the cost of stamping the DVD which as we all know is pennies.

The difference in me buying this on BD is because they included the movie on DVD in the package. If they hadn't, I wouldn't have considered buying the BD, I would've rented the DVD for my kid and that would be the end of it.

As far as today's kids being interested, you must not know my 3-year old or any of her friends at school who are all putting this on the Christmas list.

SeijiSensei
09-30-08, 02:54 PM
If Disney ever releases The Lion King in anamorphic widescreen on BD, I'll have my credit card ready.

What's especially sad is that home video has destroyed the cycle of re-releases of Disney films in theaters. I'd go watch Lion King in a theater tomorrow if it were available. I've only ever seen it on video (VHS in fact), and I've had to imagine how it would look on a cinemascope screen.

dvdmike007
09-30-08, 03:02 PM
I wanted this from day one, as long as it was in SD to start I would buy them

Li'l Jimmy
09-30-08, 03:41 PM
I wanted this from day one, as long as it was in SD to start I would buy them

if it was shot on SD video, then sure go ahead and release SD blu-ray. if it was shot on film and transfered to SD for broadcast, then i want HD transfers done.

schizogony
09-30-08, 04:12 PM
Yeah, something shot for 4:3 SD really doesn't need to go HD and would be so cool on a single disc. Makes sense that they'd fear people would be confused about buying a Blu-ray more for it's storage capacity than it's fidelity.

Perhaps when Blu-ray becomes as much a part of our lives as DVD has...

SirDrexl
09-30-08, 07:16 PM
if it was shot on SD video, then sure go ahead and release SD blu-ray. if it was shot on film and transfered to SD for broadcast, then i want HD transfers done.

Yeah, they're doing this with Cheers apparently.

I don't think they would put a lot of SD shows on one disc for a while. It would be too confusing from a marketing standpoint to say "this is on a BD but it's not HD." However, if they do, I hope they re-encode them in AVC or VC-1 for a reduction in compression artifacts (and probably less space to boot).

SeijiSensei, The Lion King has an aspect ratio of 1.66:1, so imagine a CinemaScope screen with large curtains covering each side. ;)

skriefal
09-30-08, 09:16 PM
I doubt this will happen any time soon. Most consumers view a package as more valuable if it contains more discs. They'll balk at spending $60+ for a package with "only 2 discs" (or heaven forbid, "only 1 disc!!!!"). So although I'd like to see this, it probably won't happen until SD-DVD is on the way out.

Kram Sacul
09-30-08, 09:43 PM
If it's more than one season it would be on more than a few discs. I'm sure an entire season of The Simpsons or Futurama could be encoded on one BD50 in better than dvd quality though.

schizogony
09-30-08, 11:54 PM
I doubt this will happen any time soon. Most consumers view a package as more valuable if it contains more discs. They'll balk at spending $60+ for a package with "only 2 discs" (or heaven forbid, "only 1 disc!!!!"). So although I'd like to see this, it probably won't happen until SD-DVD is on the way out.


Ah, but, see, the draw would be that it wouldn't be $60. Since it's one disc, I'd like to think it could be $20 or so for a season--basically a nice, affordable package to view a season of a show on

SirDrexl
10-01-08, 12:15 AM
Ah, but, see, the draw would be that it wouldn't be $60. Since it's one disc, I'd like to think it could be $20 or so for a season--basically a nice, affordable package to view a season of a show on

That wouldn't happen, unless SD content just becomes seriously downgraded in value by then. You really are paying for the content, not the discs. Notice how some titles get 2 discs, yet the MSRP is the same as if it was 1 disc (or is just $5 more if it's Sony).

Then again, some shows go down in price after they are out for a while anyway, so it's possible that such a disc could be priced comparably to whatever the current price for the DVD happens to be.

skriefal
10-01-08, 12:39 AM
Exactly. The content won't magically be cheaper merely because it's crammed onto a single disc (not much cheaper, anyway). And therein lies the problem. Consumers may be willing to spend $60 for a season set spread across 5 or 6 discs, but $60 for a single disc? We might buy it, but most won't.