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All of us waiting for the RS20

How much better and what is the Prem we should pay for this new PJ??

Thanks in advance for your input!

All

All of us waiting for the RS20

How much better and what is the Prem we should pay for this new PJ??

Thanks in advance for your input!


No pricing talk is permitted on these forums.

The RS20 looks to be better and to have more features than the RS2. The RS2 still throws a great picture but I would expect a significant discount as compared to what an RS20 will go for (whatever that may be).

This doesn't look like a price talking thread to me. You can remove the price out of the question completely and still have the same question. Ie re-phrasing the question as:
What is your opinion on the percentage of value the RS20 has over the RS2.

Then you would have example answers something like:
I feel the RS20 is 30% better than the RS2.

I would like to know that too. Another way to put it is ....How much more is the rs20 worth over the rs2. Like this ...Based on what I saw the rs20 is worth 1200.00 more than a rs2.

I would like to know that too. Another way to put it is ....How much more is the rs20 worth over the rs2. Like this ...Based on what I saw the rs20 is worth 1200.00 more than a rs2.For my situation and my tastes I value the CMS at about $1k. Then I would probably pay another $1k for the adjustable iris. And if the images are a little sharper, maybe another $500 there. I'm waiting to find out if there are differences in banding or things like that, which I would pay something for some improvements. I hadn't really given it much thought before, but given those things I guess I would pay a fair amount more (maybe $3k or so) for an RS20. Other people's situations and tastes would likely be different.

--Darin

For my situation and my tastes I value the CMS at about $1k. Then I would probably pay another $1k for the adjustable iris. And if the images are a little sharper, maybe another $500 there. I'm waiting to find out if there are differences in banding or things like that, which I would pay something for some improvements. I hadn't really given it much thought before, but given those things I guess I would pay a fair amount more (maybe $3k or so) for an RS20. Other people's situations and tastes would likely be different.

--Darin

If you are right then people selling their RS2s will take a complete bath on them.

Probably should not mention it, but the open box RS2X deal doesn't look so good.

Just looking to see What a price prem I would pay for the RS 20

Or discount to by and out going RS2. Not looking for excact pricing info.

But most got the pt I was trying to make.

Thanks to all!!!

The improvements on the RS20 are worth at least $2000.

Well I won't get into details, but, the RS20 is cheaper than the RS2X so I don't think the question really pertains. If it is more of a timing standpoint...I suppose it depends on how patient one is. :)

jason, when do you think (ballpark) one can expect to see units shipping regularly and also have one setup in your showroom? im in no hurry as my room is just beginning construction, just curious if it will be sometime early next year. thanks.

Probably should not mention it, but the open box RS2X deal doesn't look so good.

Wheres that at?

There must not me many unsold RS2s left.

Wheres that at?

Was a sticky at the top of the page. Now gone.

For my situation and my tastes I value the CMS at about $1k. Then I would probably pay another $1k for the adjustable iris. And if the images are a little sharper, maybe another $500 there. I'm waiting to find out if there are differences in banding or things like that, which I would pay something for some improvements. I hadn't really given it much thought before, but given those things I guess I would pay a fair amount more (maybe $3k or so) for an RS20. Other people's situations and tastes would likely be different.
--Darin

I think Darin's wife needs to reign in his new toy budget... :rolleyes:

Was a sticky at the top of the page. Now gone.

Ahhhhh

Well I won't get into details, but, the RS20 is cheaper than the RS2X so I don't think the question really pertains. If it is more of a timing standpoint...I suppose it depends on how patient one is. :)

When did the RS2 become the RS2X and what is different?

With the RS2X being positioned above the RS20, what exactly does the RS2X do better than the RS20? :confused:

Well I won't get into details, but, the RS20 is cheaper than the RS2X so I don't think the question really pertains. If it is more of a timing standpoint...I suppose it depends on how patient one is. :)

I was under the impression that the RS20/HD750 and RS10/HD350 will have the same MSRP of the existing RS2/HD100 and RS1/HD1, $7995 and $4995 respectively. At least, that's what has been been published in numerous articles over the past few weeks, based on JVC's official statement.

Jason, any ideas of a US street date for eith the HD750 or RS20? Also, are there any technical differences between the two?

If you are going to buy projector and keep it a couple of years get the RS20

800 to 100 lumens vs 600 lumens
Full CMS
adjustable Iris
better lens with improved Intrascene contrast
better processing with Less noise

If you are going to buy projector and keep it a couple of years get the RS20

800 to 100 lumens vs 600 lumens
Full CMS
adjustable Iris
better lens with improved Intrascene contrast
better processing with Less noise

And it throws a better pic. :D

I love my RS2, and swore no upgrade until lasers were established assuming lasers would be a noticealbe improvement in PQ. But hearing about the improvements of the RS20 over the RS2 and the likelihood that 2nd gen laser pj are probably at least 3 years out yet, the cost of the RS20/750, which I'm assuming to be close to the MRSP of the RS2, minus what I sell the RS2 for would be worth it to hold me until lasers are established.

But of course, there will probably be some 'great' improved pj at CES that will dull that glow of the 20/750 and then I'll be forging some new excuse to get that projector and how it's 'worth' it.

I love my RS2, and swore no upgrade until lasers were established assuming lasers would be a noticealbe improvement in PQ. But hearing about the improvements of the RS20 over the RS2 and the likelihood that 2nd gen laser pj are probably at least 3 years out yet, the cost of the RS20/750, which I'm assuming to be close to the MRSP of the RS2, minus what I sell the RS2 for would be worth it to hold me until lasers are established.

But of course, there will probably be some 'great' improved pj at CES that will dull that glow of the 20/750 and then I'll be forging some new excuse to get that projector and how it's 'worth' it.

It never ends, does it? :cool:

I was under the impression that the RS20/HD750 and RS10/HD350 will have the same MSRP of the existing RS2/HD100 and RS1/HD1, $7995 and $4995 respectively. At least, that's what has been been published in numerous articles over the past few weeks, based on JVC's official statement.

Jason, any ideas of a US street date for eith the HD750 or RS20? Also, are there any technical differences between the two?
In one of the RS20 threads, Alan posted the MSRP for the RS20 would be $7495.

In one of the RS20 threads, Alan posted the MSRP for the RS20 would be $7495.

Wow, and I take it the HD750 would have a similar price? Are there any technical differences between the two?

Now I am thinking of buting the bullit and selling my HD100, hmmm, but I wanna find out when is the actual street date, I know it's in November, but when exactly are they shipping out to stores.

Wow, and I take it the HD750 would have a similar price? Are there any technical differences between the two?

Now I am thinking of buting the bullit and selling my HD100, hmmm, but I wanna find out when is the actual street date, I know it's in November, but when exactly are they shipping out to stores.

Give Jason at AVS a call. He'll be able to fill you in on the details.

In one of the RS20 threads, Alan posted the MSRP for the RS20 would be $7495.

That is what is now on the JVCPro website.

I wonder what throws a better picture. The RS10 or the RS2?

I wonder what throws a better picture. The RS10 or the RS2?

Well let's see the RS20 should be sharper, have better colors, be a little brighter, have a little more contrast than the RS2 and you can adjust the brightness to suit your taste with the iris and also trade contrast for brightness at the same time. So let me guess which one will throw the better picture..... :)

Well let's see the RS20 should be sharper, have better colors, be a little brighter, have a little more contrast than the RS2 and you can adjust the brightness to suit your taste with the iris and also trade contrast for brightness at the same time. So let me guess which one will throw the better picture..... :)

He asked about the RS10 and RS2. Likely not as clear a performance upgrade from preliminary reviews. The RS20 appears to be a clear upgrade in performance however.

He asked about the RS10 and RS2. Likely not as clear a performance upgrade from preliminary reviews. The RS20 appears to be a clear upgrade in performance however.

Doh! Time to start wearing my glasses all of the time now :)

The RS10 vs RS2 is an interesting comparison. I don't know if we know enough about the RS10 yet to answer that one. With higher brightness and 30k:1 contrast it could be a sleeper.

Doh! Time to start wearing my glasses all of the time now :)

The RS10 vs RS2 is an interesting comparison. I don't know if we know enough about the RS10 yet to answer that one. With higher brightness and 30k:1 contrast it could be a sleeper.

Well, I have resigned myself that I am going to wait until my room is done and pass on the pre-buy. (sigh!!!) So, I guess, I have 6 months to hear about the comparisons of these machines when they do come out. (I will try and cheer up)

Well, I have resigned myself that I am going to wait until my room is done and pass on the pre-buy. (sigh!!!) So, I guess, I have 6 months to hear about the comparisons of these machines when they do come out. (I will try and cheer up)

In 6 months, you will have even more choices. There is WAY too much technology change going on in this market to get hung up. I have an RS2, have seen better pictures (at 4 times the price) but wouldn't change a thing. Take the money you would have spent on a PJ upgrade and add acoustic improvements to the listening space. That will do a lot more (in many cases) for the overall enjoyment of the movie experience than another small increase in performance in a PJ.

I will start looking at PJ upgrades in 5 years.

Take the money you would have spent on a PJ upgrade and add acoustic improvements to the listening space. That will do a lot more (in many cases) for the overall enjoyment of the movie experience than another small increase in performance in a PJ.

I agree (although I plan on purchasing an RS20 :D). There are a lot of great "lower cost" projectors that will more than satisfy the majority of HT enthusiasts. It is amazing what impact acoustics and audio has on the experience. Subs, speakers, treatments, etc are often lacking compared to the projection. The upgrade from selling a good performing 1080p projector to the RS20 could potentially pick up a PB13 Ultra, a pair of MBM-12's and some acoustic treatments. Just an example but consider which would provide a better overall experience.

I agree (although I plan on purchasing an RS20 :D). There are a lot of great "lower cost" projectors that will more than satisfy the majority of HT enthusiasts. It is amazing what impact acoustics and audio has on the experience. Subs, speakers, treatments, etc are often lacking compared to the projection. The upgrade from selling a good performing 1080p projector to the RS20 could potentially pick up a PB13 Ultra, a pair of MBM-12's and some acoustic treatments. Just an example but consider which would provide a better overall experience.

My current HT is the family room. 20' flat ceilings and a wall of windows with the drapes always open. When I get my dedicated, 9" ceilinged, enclosed room done - a boom box will probably sound better than what I am used to. :)

Pick up a JL AUDIO FATHOM F 113 and you will be in heaven!

My current HT is the family room. 20' flat ceilings and a wall of windows with the drapes always open. When I get my dedicated, 9" ceilinged, enclosed room done - a boom box will probably sound better than what I am used to. :)

Hey, look at what I had to deal with! :D :D 10' ceilings, windows, tile, wood,...Now it sounds better than my dedicated HT did (due to a combination of Klipsch THX Ultras, an added MBM-12, acoustic treatments, and Audyssey).

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8345/livingroomke8.jpg

With all the RS-20 threads, I am hesitant to start another to address my questions. I figured I’d just ask them here, even though they are somewhat off topic.

I am on the list for the RS-20 pre-buy with AVS, but I’m not real sure if it is the projector I should buy, or if I should change out some components if I do go through with the RS20 purchase. I was wondering if I might get some advise from some of you who are much more knowledgeable with projectors than I am (just about anyone of you board regulars). I would like to know if this projector will work in my room, with my equipment, or if I need to consider a different projector and / or equipment.

I am currently using a Panasonic PT1000U, Firehawk 2.35 screen, Prismasonic 1400 lens with the front element upgrade and a VP50pro. I chose the Firehawk because we tend to keep the lights on low when watching TV and only turn the room into a bat cave if we watch a movie. I have to keep the projector ceiling mounted and can position it 11 – 12.5 feet away from the screen. The screen is 96” X 41”.

I have found that I am sensitive to motion blur, or what I believe is motion blur. When the film has scenes where the camera pans from side to side, the image is out of focus and it sort of hurts my eyes. I believe this is motion blur?? Because of this, I was going to try a DLP unit like the new Planer or Marantz 15S, but I’m a bit concerned I may also be sensitive to rainbows, so when the RS-20 was announced and I started reading all the praise it was getting, I figured I should give it a try. I have never seen a CRT projector in action, so I don’t really know what I’m missing in regards to contrast. I’m pretty sure that just about any projector I buy will be a marked improvement over the Panasonic.

Considering the above, the questions I am asking myself, and hope some of you projector gurus may be able answer…..

1) Will the RS-20 provide a significant improvement over the PT1000 with what I believe is motion blur that’s driving me nuts?
2) Is my Firehawk the right screen for the RS-20? I really can’t afford to drop more cash on another screen and a projector in this price range…the Firehawk wasn’t exactly cheap and I’d prefer to keep it.
3) Will the RS-20 work with my 96 X 41 screen size mounted 11 – 12.5 away from it on the ceiling? Currently, the projector height is approximately 8” above the top of the screen and center to the screen center.
4) Is the lens optic quality of my Prismasonic anamorphic lens good enough, or will it degrade the image that the RS-20 puts out? From what I have been reading, the RS-20 should be shipping with a lens of good quality. I believe the Prismasonic 1400 with FE lens upgrade has fairly good optics, but I don’t believe it’s a premium lens either.
5) While I love what the VP50pro does with SD DVD and 480/1080i cable, I would like to get rid of it. I am not the only person in the household that uses this system and the VP adds a level of complexity that only I understand. Even though I use a MX-980 remote and have macros to configure all the components, sh!t happens and I have to talk others through issues they are having via phone when I’m not around the house…….long story in itself, but I’m sure I’m not alone in this. It would be terrific if the RS-20’s video processor will provide comparable deinterlacing and scaling as the VP50pro.

Thank you for your time………… mike

The best time to sell your RS2 would be before the RS20 makes it to market. Which means sell now, waiting might cost you $1000 or more money on your resale IMO. Kinda like playing the stock market:eek:

Joey

joey,

I agree with you!! I just sold my HD100 yesterday and put the order in with my dealer for the new HD750. I have to use an old Panasonic 1280x720 projector for a month or so but the wait should be worth it. :)

I have a possible line on some b-stock JVC RS2's. They would likely fall in the low $4k range IF they come through. In any event, if anyone might be interested, please email me at jason@avscience.com so that I can keep you posted.

What does b-stock mean in this case?

Refurbs...usually less than 100 hours, full 2 year warranty, etc... Basically they are units JVC exchanged for 1 reason or another, refixed, and then resell discounted.

Is there an official street date for the HD750 yet? I have read through this thread and searched the internet and it seems both November and December are mentioned. I have just purchased the re-baged JVC HD-100 and am wondering if I should cancel and wait. I bought the Pioneer for 6,000. My theater is in the sheetrock stage so I am about a month or so away from needing the projector.

Thanks

I would return it. First off, that isn't that great a deal. Secondly, you don't need it yet. Third, the RS20 is a much better projector from many standpoints.

They are expected to ship late November/early December as it stands right now.

Now that is a honest answer.



My suggestion to you is to phone Jason Turk and get on his list for the rs20!

I would return it. First off, that isn't that great a deal. Secondly, you don't need it yet. Third, the RS20 is a much better projector from many standpoints.

They are expected to ship late November/early December as it stands right now.

You forgot the fourth reason: Everytime you read AVS and see all of these posts by giddy RS20 owners you'll have pangs of regret and say "if only...". :)

True dat.