I will be getting a new Plasma for myself, and narrow down to either the Pioneer 9th gen 50" inch, or the 60" Kuro. I was wondering if I should wait till "Black Friday" or maybe "Christmas" to get the 9th gen Kuro. Will I be getting a better deal then? What happen last year, were there lots of discount going on the past holidays? Let me know :D

P.s. Please forgive me about my English, its not perfect. Any ways thank you in advance :)

Let's put it this way... the more the US economy suffers between now & black Friday, the bigger the discount(s) you will see.

I am in the market for an AVR and right now the TX-NR906 or the DTR-9.9 appear to be good candidates.

I would not be surprised to see these units being sold at 1/2 their MSRPs if things do not get back on track soon.

Pioneer is discounting on the Kuro's as they know that they are losing ground on Samsung and Panasonic. You can expect more discounts around BF/Christmas season. However, we don't know how much though...

Chris

Half the MSRP? Wishful thinking but no way in hell. As for the Kuro's being discounted now where do people find this information? I'm not doubting it, it is just lately I keep hearing about the 111FD being discounted yet whenever you actually look at the PIO site, they still have same MSRP on both the 111FD and the 151FD. The prices may be discounted between PIO and the dealers but not all dealers pass that savings on to the customer. I want to see PIO actually drop the MSRP on their own website. That is what will make a real difference to me when it comes to discounts.

As stated above, Pioneer just made a price drop on the 5020FD and 111FD and they did it for the holidays. Its hard to tell what or if anything will happen on the 6 inchers.

I appreciate it, your advice really help me.... and I will make this purchase this holiday season. I hope there will be a better price in November/December. Hope this assumption will be true. Thankyou so much :).

Half the MSRP? Wishful thinking but no way in hell.Maybe not for a Pioneer PDP, but Onkyo's TX-NR906 is already selling for 25% below the MSRP. ;)

I'm prepping the WAF for a nice Christmas present at 1/2 off. :)

If business is slow I think the dealers will start doing something.

Maybe not for a Pioneer PDP, but Onkyo's TX-NR906 is already selling for 25% below the MSRP. ;)

I'm prepping the WAF for a nice Christmas present at 1/2 off. :)

What's your point?

I got my 905 last year for more than 33% off MSRP. Deals are always to be had and there are always better things right around the corner.

I am in the Market for a Pioneer 5020 or Panasonic 50PZ850.

But I think I will wait a month or so to see what happens. I expect some serious price decreases because manufacturers will loose a lot of money if they cannot clear their inventory.

- Rich

The economy is in really bad shape right now, the worst that I have experienced since the Jimmy Carter years... (hint).

For those who remain employed you can expect some great deals on home electronics this Christmas season and for those vacation getaways next year too.

I am in the Market for a Pioneer 5020 or Panasonic 50PZ850.

But I think I will wait a month or so to see what happens. I expect some serious price decreases because manufacturers will loose a lot of money if they cannot clear their inventory.

- Rich

5020 and 111 dropped already if it drops again I will be surprised, but who knows :)

This goes both ways I think. Those that are looking at Kuro may tighten their belts but may not stop buying things like these sets. I may be wrong and so be it but those shopping for Kuros are still going to be shopping for Kuros. There will always be folks looking at a higher end set just like there will always be folks shopping $10k a pair speakers and up.


I also think that there are many out there who are buying into the "higher-end" home theater idea and going on less vacations, less trips to the movies etc.

It is a great form of entertainment that once paid for keeps on giving. I know it is not the same as the BIG screen multi-plex but I enjoy my HT and surround set-up at home more than I enjoy going to the movies now. I know the box-office $$$ does not match my logic (movies like Dark Night) but I think the Home Theater is going to explode in the next year or two. I still can't believe how many of my friends do not have a HT. This is a big wow to me and they are in their 30's and 40's and pretty well of.

The economic slow down may have a positive effect on audio/video gear. You never know. I have never seen a huge price break on a "current" Pioneer at a BM store. I think I got $500 off on my 5071 several years back and thought I would have a heart attack. I know buying on-line is a much better option to many. Maybe Black Friday will not be so black for Pioneer.

Rick

This goes both ways I think. Those that are looking at Kuro may tighten their belts but may not stop buying things like these sets. I may be wrong and so be it but those shopping for Kuros are still going to be shopping for Kuros. There will always be folks looking at a higher end set just like there will always be folks shopping $10k a pair speakers and up.Consumers at the low end of this buying segment might be priced out of the market and this would decrease sales/revenue for Pioneer.

Pioneer should offer us a "rebate" program. :)

Yes, there are always customers for a KURO, However the number of customers is MUCH LESS.
Reality: Many people in high end jobs have been laid off or dismissed, Wall Street, Banks, and with each job on Wall street that disappears 2 other jobs in the nation are gone.

Fact: Foreclosures, Wealth Loss (401K, Mutual Fund or other) have people conserving and saving) Not good for Electronics

PRICES HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO DROP & WILL DROP FURTHER SHORTLY
unless Pioneer, Panny, and the others want to GET STUCK.

Yes, there are always customers for a KURO, However the number of customers is MUCH LESS.
Reality: Many people in high end jobs have been laid off or dismissed, Wall Street, Banks, and with each job on Wall street that disappears 2 other jobs in the nation are gone.

Fact: Foreclosures, Wealth Loss (401K, Mutual Fund or other) have people conserving and saving) Not good for Electronics

PRICES HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO DROP & WILL DROP FURTHER SHORTLY
unless Pioneer, Panny, and the others want to GET STUCK.

I tend to agree, if one is patient I think there will be serious deals to be had in the near future. This is a very scary economy, I think a lot of folks don't realize where this may head. As one economist summed it up today when asked if we have seen the worst yet ... "today, we are simply building sand castles in defense, while in fact a sunami is on the way!" Damn, I sure hope he's way off base:eek: He did feel, however, it could be as long as 5 years before we're out of the woods on this one.

So yes, I think manufactures 'game plans' will, and probably already have been assessed, or will be so in the near future to combat this sudden economic situation that has effected 'all' world wide. When you consider just three months ago nobody would have predicted this to happen, it just shows how fragile, and how unpredictably the world stage can be.

Times change, and in this case, rather quickly:( Sorry, I kinda got off on another tangent and don't want to predict doom & gloom, I'm trying to stay optomistic overall, but I DO think that market strategies will change in response to what's going on now, especially if in fact it's here to stay for a while. Bottom line ..... product HAS to move! ;)

Quite fascinating, I think.

Just before the 9g kuro came out tweeter had 8g elite for about half price.

I tend to agree, if one is patient I think there will be serious deals to be had in the near future. This is a very scary economy, I think a lot of folks don't realize where this may head. As one economist summed it up today when asked if we have seen the worst yet ... "today, we are simply building sand castles in defense, while in fact a sunami is on the way!" Damn, I sure hope he's way off base:eek: He did feel, however, it could be as long as 5 years before we're out of the woods on this one.

So yes, I think manufactures 'game plans' will, and probably already have been assessed, or will be so in the near future to combat this sudden economic situation that has effected 'all' world wide. When you consider just three months ago nobody would have predicted this to happen, it just shows how fragile, and how unpredictably the world stage can be.

Times change, and in this case, rather quickly:( Sorry, I kinda got off on another tangent and don't want to predict doom & gloom, I'm trying to stay optomistic overall, but I DO think that market strategies will change in response to what's going on now, especially if in fact it's here to stay for a while. Bottom line ..... product HAS to move! ;)The US economy is resilient and if the politicians in Washington could stop their finger pointing and playing dirty politics for awhile things will get back on track.

I believe that during the short-term, next 12 - 24 months, we are going to experience a stiff recession but will recover eventually.

Anyone that has the disposable income to make a discretionary purchase on A/V gear should be able to obtain some great deals for home entertainment equipment during the next year or two.

BTW… it’s pretty dumb to push the SUV but not develop our domestic oil reserves and refining capacity… this does not add up. Must be that “new math” I missed during high-school :rolleyes:

@ optivity: :D

I've read what I consider to be rumours that BB will have a 2 day sale on all TVs at 50% off on or around Black Friday.
I'll believe it when I see it.

I've read what I consider to be rumours that BB will have a 2 day sale on all TVs at 50% off on or around Black Friday.
I'll believe it when I see it.

I imagine UP TO 50% off on select displays. There is no way they could afford to take a hit on all of their displays.

Chris

Yea I would agree with you Chris :) As long as Magnolia wont do 50% off the Elites we will be ok. But I doubt that would happen anyway.

Yea I would agree with you Chris :) As long as Magnolia wont do 50% off the Elites we will be ok. But I doubt that would happen anyway.

Exactly. ;) Too much money at stake and lost profit margins b/c of BF. Also there is no more competition between CC and BB. BB is on an island by itself.

Chris

But please, please, please do let us know if Pioneer decides to further rebate/discount/temporarily sweeten the price of their Elites made available through our wonderful forum sponsors. I don't know how much more they can drop pricing this early in the 9G life cycle, but with the number of high salaried jobs on the chopping block (at least on Wall Street), the US market for these excellent sets must be shrinking. At some point, they need to recover the capital tied up in inventory. And I want to help them, but just a little.

You bet, keep in mind when you shop on the net everyday is Black Friday

But please, please, please do let us know if Pioneer decides to further rebate/discount/temporarily sweeten the price of their Elites made available through our wonderful forum sponsors. I don't know how much more they can drop pricing this early in the 9G life cycle, but with the number of high salaried jobs on the chopping block (at least on Wall Street), the US market for these excellent sets must be shrinking. At some point, they need to recover the capital tied up in inventory. And I want to help them, but just a little.

They did lower the 111FD. I dont think they will on the 101 or the 60's but you will know if they do :)

How pursuadeable are the sponsors to price? I would like to get one at about $3400 out the door. But if I have to wait.

You have to be reasonable ;) I mean just compare pricing to your local stores plus tax etc.

Believe me I know. It's ridiculous out there. The cheapest I've found is $3724 out the door so to speak. I may just have to settle for the panny 58pz850

I think the most you will see on any Pioneer PDP is 37.5%.

BB had the 111 for less than the price you mentioned last week.

Edit: After tax, it came out to the price you mentioned. :o

Believe me I know. It's ridiculous out there. The cheapest I've found is $3724 out the door so to speak. I may just have to settle for the panny 58pz850
Not like the panasonic is not a sweet set though......

Not like the panasonic is not a sweet set though......

Yeah, I've heard it's good. But I'd like to keep this next set for as long as possible. I just heard the 6020 was the best in terms of blacks. Do you think I'd be happy with the Panny? I'm coming from a 73 mits DLP. Bought last year. I'm really concerned about black levels and color accuracy.

CA goes to the Panny, blacks go to the Pio. Would you be dissappointed with the Kuros CA? Absolutely not. Would you be dissappointed with the Pannys blacks? Maybe, maybe not.

I will say this, there are a lot of people who feel that the Kuro's are not worth the price of admission, until they see one either in a home setting, or decide to get a panny, and a pio in their home from a B&M with a no questions asked 30 day return policy. I'd bet that the Panny gets sent back 7 out of 10 times.

I noticed plasma concepts does not sell the elites. is this true and if so, where are you guys getting them online? i checked amazon and there was only one vendor listed and they didn't even have any resellerratings. you can pm me if you can't say in public. thanks.

I've found the 5020 for 42.6% off MSRP, would anyone recommend I pull the trigger now, or wait for better deals during the holidays?

Went to BB yesterday and they had the 111FD for 30% off. Although its been past 30 days and more like 46, they price matched it no questions asked. Luckily I had the receipt in my car.

I just back from my Costco (San Juan Capistrano) and the 6020 is down 7 feet from the website price.:D Finally a nice break.

Does anyone know if the Canadian market 141's and 151's were reduced as well?

Thank you,

Zivman what you have experienced is very unusual, doing this for a while I dont want to give readers false hopes.

Zivman what you have experienced is very unusual, doing this for a while I dont want to give readers false hopes.

No doubt it was unusual and may not be the right deal for anyone other than me. I am merely posting my experience. My deal consisted of other components factoring in -> directv service, stand, and A/V rack. If you are in the market for new TV service, or other equipment use those things to your advantage.

edit:
see my original post in this thread was deleted. Not sure why??? False hope to readers maybe?? Just because some person online got XXXX pricing doesn't mean you can't do better, nor does it mean you will be able to match that. I think people are aware YMMV. Anyways, I think people can and should play every card in their hand and work every angle possible. Pit stores against each other. Looking back, I think I could have done better and ecourage people to negotiate.

I noticed plasma concepts does not sell the elites. is this true and if so, where are you guys getting them online? i checked amazon and there was only one vendor listed and they didn't even have any resellerratings. you can pm me if you can't say in public. thanks.

three AVS forum sponsors are authorized Pioneer Elite dealers.

Robert at value electronics if your near the ny, ny area.

Roman O at buybestplasma.com and John Marty at axxisdurango.com are the other two avs forum sponsors that are Pioneer Elite dealers who have sold and shipped thousands of Pioneer and Pioneer Elite plasmas to happy AVS forum members all across the US.

all three are highly respected and you will get great pricing as well as excellent service from them. click on their text links at the bottom of the avs forum pages.

No doubt it was unusual and may not be the right deal for anyone other than me. I am merely posting my experience. My deal consisted of other components factoring in -> directv service, stand, and A/V rack. If you are in the market for new TV service, or other equipment use those things to your advantage.

edit:
see my original post in this thread was deleted. Not sure why??? False hope to readers maybe?? Just because some person online got XXXX pricing doesn't mean you can't do better, nor does it mean you will be able to match that. I think people are aware YMMV. Anyways, I think people can and should play every card in their hand and work every angle possible. Pit stores against each other. Looking back, I think I could have done better and ecourage people to negotiate.



I agree with this. While every person may differ you might be able to land a good deal. I have a local B&M store that can get me an Elite. Originally one guy gave me a price that basically after tax would put me near what MSRP was. I have become sort of chummy with these 2 guys down there and the other day I was at the store talking and killing time and I mentioned a great price that I could get online. I wasn't even "playing a card" it was just idle conversation as I didn't think there was any way they could compete with the price and the guy told me "we could do that"

I was shocked. I was like "Yeah but with sales tax and delivery it would drive the price up" He was like "No, after tax, delivered to your home and setup whereever you want it, we could make that price match"

I was like "I didn't think you would be able to price low enough to match that" He said "Well we don't exactly advertise we can go that low and I would appreaciate you not telling a lot of people because I have had other customers who paid more but if you are going to buy off the Internet, I'm not going to let you do that"

So while this may be another "rarity" there are instances when you can find a great deal, even locally from a B&M store. These guys are going to match my best Internet deal, and this is post tax and delivery. Kinda hard to beat that.

is that for a 50" elite?

Yeah, I've heard it's good. But I'd like to keep this next set for as long as possible. I just heard the 6020 was the best in terms of blacks. Do you think I'd be happy with the Panny? I'm coming from a 73 mits DLP. Bought last year. I'm really concerned about black levels and color accuracy.

I used to be into microdisplays and maybe I'm biased but the overall look to plasma just looks much better to my eyes. I can't imagine you being disappointed with the Panny. Several years ago I upgraded from an SXRD to a Panny 600U plasma and while the SXRD was capable of slightly deeper blacks, I still appreciated the Panasonic's picture quite a bit over the SXRD. My vote would go to the Pioneer but I don't think you'd be disappointed with the Panny by any means (other than you are going to lost 13" of screen size:eek:).

is that for a 50" elite?

No it is for the 151.

I agree with this. While every person may differ you might be able to land a good deal. I have a local B&M store that can get me an Elite. Originally one guy gave me a price that basically after tax would put me near what MSRP was. I have become sort of chummy with these 2 guys down there and the other day I was at the store talking and killing time and I mentioned a great price that I could get online. I wasn't even "playing a card" it was just idle conversation as I didn't think there was any way they could compete with the price and the guy told me "we could do that"

I was shocked. I was like "Yeah but with sales tax and delivery it would drive the price up" He was like "No, after tax, delivered to your home and setup whereever you want it, we could make that price match"

I was like "I didn't think you would be able to price low enough to match that" He said "Well we don't exactly advertise we can go that low and I would appreaciate you not telling a lot of people because I have had other customers who paid more but if you are going to buy off the Internet, I'm not going to let you do that"

So while this may be another "rarity" there are instances when you can find a great deal, even locally from a B&M store. These guys are going to match my best Internet deal, and this is post tax and delivery. Kinda hard to beat that.


I wish I had this kind of luck. I would be told to just go buy it online. For whatever reason, whenever I go to a B&M store, nobody wants to negotiate. They don't even try to sell me anything. They just tell me they can't match it and walk away. It's kind of frustrating when you hear all these stories about people getting great deals and all I ever get is the cold shoulder. :(

I wish I had this kind of luck. I would be told to just go buy it online. For whatever reason, whenever I go to a B&M store, nobody wants to negotiate. They don't even try to sell me anything. They just tell me they can't match it and walk away. It's kind of frustrating when you hear all these stories about people getting great deals and all I ever get is the cold shoulder. :(

That may be true under 'normal' economic circumstances, but after a few months of slow-2-no sales, your B&M may be looking for any business, even some that result in thin margins. Thin is better than none.

Does anyone know if the Canadian market 141's and 151's were reduced as well?

Thank you,

Doubtful, your prices will probably be going up shortly if they haven't already. The Loonie has taken a beating lately.

I wish I had this kind of luck. I would be told to just go buy it online. For whatever reason, whenever I go to a B&M store, nobody wants to negotiate. They don't even try to sell me anything. They just tell me they can't match it and walk away. It's kind of frustrating when you hear all these stories about people getting great deals and all I ever get is the cold shoulder. :(

Another thing to point out is that though this is a B&M store it isn't some chain store like a Best Buy or Circuit City. This is basically a mom and pop type place that has been in my local area for the past 60 years. I feel very fortunate that they even carry the type of high ends tv's that interest me considering I live in a moderate sized place in Iowa. They have Sony XBR6, XBR8, Pioneer Elite, a lot of quality stuff.

They are mostly a Sony dealer and they lean heavily toward LCD's but bias aside they did order a 151 to have the best Plasma to show people. I think in these individual owned type stores you will have your best luck. You can negaotiate with these type people, you aren't going to be able to negotiate with a corporation.

Doubtful, your prices will probably be going up shortly if they haven't already. The Loonie has taken a beating lately.

6020 went up $500 to $6K. Elites, both 151 and 141, are steady at $7K. With starting points like these I don't think they will sell too many. And when I say too many I take into account already low volume that Pioneer has comparing to other brands in Canada.

If you got the money to buy some, there are some great deals out there in the Real Property markets. I don't see why the same won't hold true for the CE market.

This winter should be very interesting for those in the market for PDP's and other "luxury" items.

I am weighing the cost of having a Pioneer 6020 "now" or waiting longer...it can be had online for under $4000 with white glove delivery etc...I would wait if I know could get for like $3500 from reputable online or brick and mortar...

I am weighing the cost of having a Pioneer 6020 "now" or waiting longer...it can be had online for under $4000 with white glove delivery etc...I would wait if I know could get for like $3500 from reputable online or brick and mortar...

I'm in the same boat only for the 50". Hoping prices will just drop another couple hundred and I think I'd feel ok with the purchase.

It took some negotiations, but I got a discount on a new Elite 50" 111FD. I purchased it last week and just got it setup today.....looks great btw.

I bought it at BestBuy. They had an unadvertised discount off the MSRP of $1,000; which made the price $3,999. I had to go back 3x, but eventually I got them to knock another $500 off. So, the final price was $3,499 plus tax.

They also had a special where if you signed up for their Master Card you got 10% off of non-sales items, so I did and purchased the Panasonic BD35K Blu-Ray.

On top of all this they gave me 3 years no interest where I only have to pay 1% of the outstanding balance each month for the 36 months. Naturally, you should pay up the remaining balance by the 35th month to be certain you don't get hit with the accummulated interest over those 3 years.

:confused: I need some help??? I would like to know what the differences are between Pioneer PRO-150FD and the Pioneer PRO-151FD? I noticed that the MSRP on the PRO-150FD model is more than the PRO-151FD model. Which of the two is the best choice??? I'm really looking into purchasing either one like yesterday. Both Circuit City and Tweeter are closing up and I want to buy the best for my buck. :D

Thanks in advance to all of you.

Well, I would be careful of buying from Circuit City or Tweeter at this time...just be certain you check prices carefully. I read an article in NY Times recently that suggests that they are marking up normal prices (probably to MSRP) and then advertising a "large" discount. Where that discount is essentially what you can get from a stable store with a little negotiation.

That is because Circuit City no longer controls the prices. The stock in most stores has been turned over to a liquidation company. Most of the sets are pricier than the previous week at the same store when Cicruit City had control.

:confused: I need some help??? I would like to know what the differences are between Pioneer PRO-150FD and the Pioneer PRO-151FD? I noticed that the MSRP on the PRO-150FD model is more than the PRO-151FD model. Which of the two is the best choice??? I'm really looking into purchasing either one like yesterday. Both Circuit City and Tweeter are closing up and I want to buy the best for my buck. :D

Thanks in advance to all of you.

the Pro151 is the newest current model and msrp $6500. so yes if you find a Pro150 it may be listed higher as the msrp was $7500 on it. a $1k price drop and the pro151 has improved black levels and the better choice unless you get a really great deal on a new in box pro150 from an authorized Pioneer Elite dealer.

cc does not carry pioneer. if you can find a tweeter with a great deal on a new in box pro150 or 151 good luck. you will have a 2 year warranty through pioneer even after tweeter is not around. i would stay away from floor models since they are closing stores.

It took some negotiations, but I got a discount on a new Elite 50" 111FD. I purchased it last week and just got it setup today.....looks great btw.

I bought it at BestBuy. They had an unadvertised discount off the MSRP of $1,000; which made the price $3,999. I had to go back 3x, but eventually I got them to knock another $500 off. So, the final price was $3,499 plus tax.

They also had a special where if you signed up for their Master Card you got 10% off of non-sales items, so I did and purchased the Panasonic BD35K Blu-Ray.

On top of all this they gave me 3 years no interest where I only have to pay 1% of the outstanding balance each month for the 36 months. Naturally, you should pay up the remaining balance by the 35th month to be certain you don't get hit with the accummulated interest over those 3 years.

3500 bones for a 50" is not a good bargain any way you slice it. you could have held out longer.

[QUOTE=Alestra;15032129]I bought it at BestBuy. They had an unadvertised discount off the MSRP of $1,000; which made the price $3,999. I had to go back 3x, but eventually I got them to knock another $500 off. So, the final price was $3,499 plus tax.
[QUOTE]

Not to rain on your parade but if you go to BB.com you will see that it is $3,499. So you really didn't do anything but they tried to get $500 more from you. I got them down to $3,199 btw.

Well I checked and it is gone but they had it at that price yesterday. Well this will probably get deleted anyways since it is price talk.

I hate when price talk gets deleted. It helps to have ammunition when going to these chain stores and tell them actual deals offered by other locations. 3199 is a sweet deal! Good job!

I hope that the 151 comes for a good price this christmas. If it does there will be one sale made for sure.

Well, many thanks to you guys for your input. Tweeter was the PRO-150FD priced at $4399 from $7500. I'm not sure whether to jump on one now or wait a week or so to see if the price drops even more. :confused: I know I'm being cheap about it but that's quite a bit to drop on a flat screen. I almost bought the LG 60PG60 not too long ago but when compared to the Pioneer, let's just say there is no competition. Pioneer was definitely the best picture quality I'd seen. I will definitely make sure not buy a floor model either so I'm gonna call before I even think of making the trip out there. Thanks again.

Well, many thanks to you guys for your input. Tweeter was the PRO-150FD priced at $4399 from $7500. I'm not sure whether to jump on one now or wait a week or so to see if the price drops even more. :confused: I know I'm being cheap about it but that's quite a bit to drop on a flat screen. I almost bought the LG 60PG60 not too long ago but when compared to the Pioneer, let's just say there is no competition. Pioneer was definitely the best picture quality I'd seen. I will definitely make sure not buy a floor model either so I'm gonna call before I even think of making the trip out there. Thanks again.

was it a new set or was it a display unit ??

It took some negotiations, but I got a discount on a new Elite 50" 111FD. I purchased it last week and just got it setup today.....looks great btw.

I bought it at BestBuy. They had an unadvertised discount off the MSRP of $1,000; which made the price $3,999. I had to go back 3x, but eventually I got them to knock another $500 off. So, the final price was $3,499 plus tax.

They also had a special where if you signed up for their Master Card you got 10% off of non-sales items, so I did and purchased the Panasonic BD35K Blu-Ray.

On top of all this they gave me 3 years no interest where I only have to pay 1% of the outstanding balance each month for the 36 months. Naturally, you should pay up the remaining balance by the 35th month to be certain you don't get hit with the accummulated interest over those 3 years.

I was told you had to spend at least $100 on installation to get the 3yr no intrest. Did you avoid that part? I'm considering the 5020 from there.