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what7fr
12-23-08, 10:22 AM
Ok thanks Stefu for your clear responses ...

Yes, it's probably capable of DTS decoding, as there other media players on the market with the same chip and DTS decoding.

If it's materially able to decode DTS, i thing it's really a shame not include it, if we have to pay more 50 $, i 'm almost sure all peepz would pay 50 $ for thes improvements !

Damn, it becomes really complicated in this low world :(

RAVEN56706
12-23-08, 10:24 AM
The last I knew the WD TV will not bitstream nor decode TrueHD and DTS-MA. It has never been officially said whether the unit even contains HDMI 1.3 for it to even bitstream.

This alone is why this could never be a true popcorn hour. Blu-ray videos are nice but only best with uncompressed audio. The popcorn hour handles both TrueHD and DTS-MA with no issues for bitstreaming. The unit will not and I doubt ever decode the codecs.

So:
WDTV = NO TrueHD, NO DTS-MA via decode or bitstream (question remains if ever)

Popcorn Hour = YES TrueHD, YES DTS-MA via bitstream never will decode onboard

This means your audio receiver must be able to decode the bitstream. The onkyo 606 or yamaha V663 are cheaper alternatives that work great....


I am definitely not hating on these...I actually got my parents one for xmas. My dad will love the ability to play divx and mkv files with ease...

and that was the dealbreaker for me.... i wanted to get one this weekend but i realized that it will never decode those two audio formats.... which is why i just ordered a popcorn hour... sucks... because i really wanted to get the wd player.

greiland
12-23-08, 10:28 AM
MR_FATE,

Yes, there will be release notes that detail the new updates. There are a couple new features that will not be on the release notes as a special bonus.

-ScottWD
Anybody stumble across any "undocumented bonus features"? Maybe VC-1 is one of them.

Cade
12-23-08, 10:33 AM
A solution for thumbnail view might be to let the WD TV read a folder name (rather than filename) for list view and read a .jpg within the folder that is named "folder.jpg" (or what WD chooses as a filename). This would eliminate the need to read an imbedded pic from within the file (alot of diff file types to consider) and allow the user to choose what pic would be used for thumbnail view.

I have no problem searching the web for an appropriate pic...

87wrangler
12-23-08, 10:48 AM
Speak for yourself. If I cared enough about DTS and wanted to spend more, I would've ponied up for a PCH instead. For $100, this box is enough for my needs and I'm personally not going to whine about having to spend an extra 5-10 minutes per file to decode DTS myself. If you're not happy with the WDTV, there's a bunch of other more expensive NMT's that might suit your needs.

Ok thanks Stefu for your clear responses ...

Yes, it's probably capable of DTS decoding, as there other media players on the market with the same chip and DTS decoding.

If it's materially able to decode DTS, i thing it's really a shame not include it, if we have to pay more 50 $, i 'm almost sure all peepz would pay 50 $ for thes improvements !

Damn, it becomes really complicated in this low world :(

ronaldvg
12-23-08, 10:48 AM
What7fr: I have converted about 12 movies now, all same results.

what7fr
12-23-08, 10:51 AM
test

ronaldvg
12-23-08, 10:52 AM
Silvom: as TipiTipi also pointed out: it takes really only about 5-7 minutes. Just make sure that only AUDIO is being converted. This is for 2,5 hours of DTS audio !

ronaldvg
12-23-08, 10:56 AM
jtrage: the DTS Stuttering is covered in this thread. quick answer, copy the streams to a M2TS container and it will play ok.

87wrangler
12-23-08, 10:58 AM
Silvom: as TipiTipi also pointed out: it takes really only about 5-7 minutes. Just make sure that only AUDIO is being converted. This is for 2,5 hours of DTS audio !

If you're only converting DTS to AC3, uncheck the other tabs too (Vorbis and AAC).

bono624
12-23-08, 11:05 AM
Has anyone considered connecting wdtv to a NAS called Drobo?

Their website advertises "NAS when you want it, DAS when you need it." It has excellent editor rating on cnet. I can't post the link because this is my 1st post. But just google Drobo.

I'm not network savvy so I appreciate anybody's thoughts on it.

BVG
12-23-08, 11:10 AM
i agree with that :) but the subtitles INSIDE a mkv file are absolut SYNC ! ( just muxx the file new, with the srt file inside ;) ... just a couple of seconds ^^ with mkvmerge )
all external subs ( srt,ass,ssa,sim ) are out of synch - maybe fixed in the next FW update ?! ;)

This solution resolves the tags (<i>,<b>,etc..) problems too?

Thanks :)

perfecblue
12-23-08, 11:13 AM
Hum,,

Are you sure ronaldvg ?

Have you made this manipulation on several mkv DTS files ?



I've done the conversion on a dozen MKVs and all with no sync issue and were done in less then 5 min.

dudenj
12-23-08, 11:18 AM
Price is back to $99 at Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8993217&st=wd+tv&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1218008588808)

dreamseed
12-23-08, 11:23 AM
popcorn-hour a-110 support DTS down mix to stereo,
but it seems need some licensing fees...
does anyone know more about it?

natedj
12-23-08, 11:25 AM
I Look at the members in this forum as being a cut above the rest .... unlike the average joe, we actually know what are "audio streams", "encoding" and decoding and the list goes on.

Then we buy LCD and Plasmas with great specs, and then thrive to get the highest quality movies, HD and Brurays yaddi yaddi yadda.

Then it just blows me away that so many would not invest in a receiver!! Seams like people strive for video quality and audio be damned. If I'm watching HiDef flicks it better not be in just stereo output. Or worst .... using the TV's native speakers. Why would you have a Champagne budget for video and a Kool-aid budget for audio. Just having this vital component will resolve all the DTS whining ... amoung other issues.

Stepping off soap box .... flame away.

ahofle
12-23-08, 11:32 AM
I Look at the members in this forum as being a cut above the rest .... unlike the average joe, we actually know what are "audio streams", "encoding" and decoding and the list goes on.

Then we buy LCD and Plasmas with great specs, and then thrive to get the highest quality movies, HD and Brurays yaddi yaddi yadda.

Then it just blows me away that so many would not invest in a receiver!! Seams like people strive for video quality and audio be damned. If I'm watching HiDef flicks it better not be in just stereo output. Or worst .... using the TV's native speakers. Why would you have a Champagne budget for video and a Kool-aid budget for audio. Just having this vital component will resolve all the DTS whining ... amoung other issues.

Stepping off soap box .... flame away.

LOL well said. I can't believe these people expect the rest of us to spend extra money on DTS licensing just because they don't feel like spending 5 minutes converting the audio stream to play on their lowly TV speakers!

alalaka
12-23-08, 11:36 AM
I've searched and haven't found this problem. Maybe just missed it.

I'm having an issue with DTS on some files. I'm connected via optical cable to my Yamaha receiver and on the new firmware.

On a few mkv files I get a 'stuttering' about every 10 seconds or so. The digital sound kind of flickers or just cuts out, very annoying. They play fine on my pc.

Any one else have this issue??????/
hello, i can comfirm this issue.

Actually, it had the same problem on the previous firmware when the MKV has multi soundtracks. the dts become choopy.

BUT the newer firmware is even worse, DTS passtrough get choopy in all the mkv files even it has only single DTS track.

Canuck-eh!
12-23-08, 11:40 AM
Downloaded and installed firmware update with no problem. Have been using m2ts files with no problem. I see a lot of you use mkv files. Any advantages/ Any good tutorial on how to create them? I have googled and find a number of sites, but would prefer a recommendation.

Thanks.

Olbique Turmoil
12-23-08, 11:47 AM
Although the firmware update was great, still the biggest thing missing for me is DVD menu support. I'm really hoping the next update will be quick and will include this.

Agreed! I really want to feel like I'm actually playing my Blu-Ray, and have access to the special features/chapters..

Maybe it's not possible?

-Ot

gemini6
12-23-08, 11:51 AM
I did the upgrade without any problem.
However, my VC-1 files still do not play. Also the box hangs once after pressing the OK button when it says this file is not supported.
Also, a H.264 file that was played correctly now makes the box hang without showing any image....This firmware should have been better but.....:confused:

Gareth_H
12-23-08, 11:51 AM
Guys I know I can convert DTS to AC3 with the PCH MKV converter.

What do I do about a VC-1 that plays okay but says "Unsupported Audio"? The Audio is -

Audio
Format : WMA3
Format profile : M3
Codec ID : 162
Codec ID/Info : Windows Media Audio 3
Description of the codec : Windows Media Audio 10 Professional - 768 kbps, 48 kHz, 5.1 channel 24 bit 2-pass VBR
Duration : 2h 32mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 729 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Resolution : 24 bits
Language : en-us


What tools can I use to convert this?

tine51
12-23-08, 11:54 AM
Does Wd TV have an option to move subtittle up or down on tv screen?? Because when im watching hd movies I enlarge picture, just in this case is the picture on the whole screen. And the part of subtittles disappear. Does anyone know how to move subtittles up or down??
If that option is not possible, I hope it will be possible in new firmware!!
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Harrypt
12-23-08, 11:54 AM
Uh, anybody notice that the link for the new firmware has been pulled from the website?

I wonder if they've found a bug.

Or maybe they are implementing DTS.... (That's sarcasm for those that need to be told.)

ronaldvg
12-23-08, 11:56 AM
I Look at the members in this forum as being a cut above the rest .... unlike the average joe, we actually know what are "audio streams", "encoding" and decoding and the list goes on.

Then we buy LCD and Plasmas with great specs, and then thrive to get the highest quality movies, HD and Brurays yaddi yaddi yadda.

Then it just blows me away that so many would not invest in a receiver!! Seams like people strive for video quality and audio be damned. If I'm watching HiDef flicks it better not be in just stereo output. Or worst .... using the TV's native speakers. Why would you have a Champagne budget for video and a Kool-aid budget for audio. Just having this vital component will resolve all the DTS whining ... amoung other issues.

Stepping off soap box .... flame away.

As I mostly agree to this, because I would not think about looking at a movie without my 7.1 surround system, I must point out that I also wanted this player as a way to show my movies at a friends house or at my parents. That is why I would like DTS encoding also, but as I wrote a few times earlier I do not mind the few minutes converting to AC3. The DTS stream is still there for my home system.

astraelraen
12-23-08, 12:04 PM
There must be some Linux users on here - for any that are and that have a WD TV:

Can someone PLEASE just test an ext2 or ext3 formatted drive with this unit?

I know it's not down in the officially supported list of filesystems, but since the kernel in the firmware is Linux, it would be very surprising if they had removed ext-support from it...

I suspect the WD TV is sitting under the tree for me and I have an ext3 drive. I will try it out sometime this weekend probably.

Gareth_H
12-23-08, 12:05 PM
Uh, anybody notice that the link for the new firmware has been pulled from the website?

I wonder if they've found a bug.

Or maybe they are implementing DTS.... (That's sarcasm for those that need to be told.)

Not from here though http://www.wdc.com/en/products/wdtv/

Olbique Turmoil
12-23-08, 12:09 PM
Downloaded and installed firmware update with no problem. Have been using m2ts files with no problem. I see a lot of you use mkv files. Any advantages/ Any good tutorial on how to create them? I have googled and find a number of sites, but would prefer a recommendation.

Thanks.

I'm also very curious about this.. Anyone have any input?

-Ot

MR_FATE
12-23-08, 12:13 PM
Downloaded and installed firmware update with no problem. Have been using m2ts files with no problem. I see a lot of you use mkv files. Any advantages/ Any good tutorial on how to create them? I have googled and find a number of sites, but would prefer a recommendation.

Thanks.

If you have the files in M2TS format there is no reason why you would need to convert them to MKV. They are both just containers for the audio/video streams and in and of themselves have little to no difference in quality.

MR_FATE
12-23-08, 12:14 PM
Uh, anybody notice that the link for the new firmware has been pulled from the website?

I wonder if they've found a bug.

Or maybe they are implementing DTS.... (That's sarcasm for those that need to be told.)

Link is still there for me.

Harrypt
12-23-08, 12:16 PM
Not from here though http://www.wdc.com/en/products/wdtv/

Yes, you are right. I know for sure though that last night there were three links to downloads on the regular support page here:
http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=1001&lang=en
That's strange.

zgemboandislic
12-23-08, 12:16 PM
To the guys who claim VC-1 works:

I have tried Troy with VC-1 1080p - Unsupported format....

Any suggestions?

Stiptec
12-23-08, 12:32 PM
Please HELP!

I'm from germany. After firmware-upgrade it is impossible to change between PAL and NTSC Video-Mode. Could you confirme this bug?

Thanks

Stiptec

Gareth_H
12-23-08, 12:34 PM
To the guys who claim VC-1 works:

I have tried Troy with VC-1 1080p - Unsupported format....

Any suggestions?

Does it Say "Unsupported Audio format"? As it may be the case that it's the Audio that is unsupported as my VC-1's play fine, they just dont have any audio.

Olbique Turmoil
12-23-08, 12:39 PM
If you have the files in M2TS format there is no reason why you would need to convert them to MKV. They are both just containers for the audio/video streams and in and of themselves have little to no difference in quality.

Good deal, but let me ask this...

I use AnyDvD to rip my Blu-Ray's.. I've tried 2 so far with no success, (Jumper, Wanted)...

Option one:

Rip to *.iso --->

WDtV doesn't play at all, even with new firmware.

Option two:

Rip to *.m2ts --->

Jumper:

Audio Track 1 is Spanish
Audio Track 2 (Digital) I can't hear it because I'm using the TV for now, as my Surround Sound is still packed away.
Audio Track 3 is French
Audio Track 4 Is director's Commentary

Wanted:

All Audio Tacks are listed as digital, and I have no audio.

Now I've been reading about the PCH Converter and the Xvid4PSP.

Am I in the situation of needing to use these? And if I do convert the Audio, once I hook up my SS, will I still be able to get DTS through my receiver using these converted to AC3?

Thanks for the help!

-Ot

gamblertje
12-23-08, 12:44 PM
I can assure you that there are no sync issues when only changing DTS to AC-3. The complete convert takes me for a 2,5 hour movie about 5-6 minutes and I use the Popcorn Hour Audioconverter program.


That's for MKV files. Popcorn doesn't work with WMV files. (wma3)

So how to covert the WMA3 from WMV files to AC3 ?
Probably with xvid4psp but how ??

Extracting the audio into AC3 into a file is not that difficult, BUT how do I get that AC3 file into the WMV file ??? Little walkthrough please..

gamblertje
12-23-08, 12:48 PM
Just to make it clear about the VC-1 support !! The VC-1 is the VIDEO codec and it works now. This does not mean that all files with VC-1 in it work, because there is also the audio codec. In most of my files, this is the WMA 3 Pro codec with 5.1 channels and this does not work.

I now demux the audio to a seperate file, convert to AC-3 with xvid4psp (takes 1 minute for 1,5 hours of audio) and then I remux it back to the file with the VC-1 stream. Then the file will play perfectly.

So lets be clear: VC-1 works.

Talking about a WMV file, Popcorn doesn't work with WMV.
Think you use xvid4psp. How do you demux and how do you remux ???
Little walkthrough PLEASE. (aub)

tman2
12-23-08, 12:54 PM
I have been using the WDTV for about a month. I have it connected to two 1 tb My Book drives. The only thing that bothered me the most was the inability to fast forward a VOB file or skip ahead. When I updated to the new firmware, I also had the same rebooting problem and the inability to load the new firmware. When a flash drive was used the update took 5 minutes. When I then went to access any file (movie, music, or picture) it would not play. I reloaded the firmware (by changing the ver. number in the ver file). and it still did not work. After messing around for a few hours I found if I unplugged the WDTV I was able to view a movie (the 10 minute skip and fast forward worked great), but when I moved onto another movie it would not load. Also, when I went back to the movie that did work it also failed to load. I have sent an e-mail to support and have not heard back. Shortly after they have pulled the firmware link from the download section. If anyone has not updated yet, I would wait. I must not be the only one with problem. I would be happier with old firmware.

AVS66
12-23-08, 12:55 PM
Is there a factory firmware on their website in case some one has problem with the new so they can go back to original one?

Ordered one for picking up today but seems alot of people still not happy after the new firmware. That makes me concerned.

ronaldvg
12-23-08, 12:57 PM
Gamblertje: I do the following:

-convert the audio to AC3 with Xvid4PSP
-copy both streams to a MKV file (so from the original WMV just stream copy to MKV) also with Xvid4PSP.
-use tsmuxer (which you can find under Tools in the Xvid4PSP program) to add the AC3 stream with the MKV file.

I just timed how long this takes and all in all it takes me 11 minutes (mostly copying stuff) for a 2 hour movie.

This is somewhat elaborate, but I am hoping that shizzzon will post his findings soon how to use the embedded audio, like he posted yesterday. Then this will not be necessary anymore.

gamblertje
12-23-08, 01:03 PM
Gamblertje: I do the following:

-convert the audio to AC3 with Xvid4PSP
-copy both streams to a MKV file (so from the original WMV just stream copy to MKV) also with Xvid4PSP.
-use tsmuxer (which you can find under Tools in the Xvid4PSP program) to add the AC3 stream with the MKV file.

I just timed how long this takes and all in all it takes me 11 minutes (mostly copying stuff) for a 2 hour movie.

This is somewhat elaborate, but I am hoping that shizzzon will post his findings soon how to use the embedded audio, like he posted yesterday. Then this will not be necessary anymore.

Copy both streams, you mean the original WMV. Must I stream the WMV to MKV ? That's not what I want. Don't want to convert the whole file...Just want the WMV with the AC3 codec instead of the not working WMA3..

Apoc@
12-23-08, 01:10 PM
alot of people still not happy after the new firmware. That makes me concerned.

Forums like this ( more in general ), have 10 times more negative reply's than positive. People that have no trouble with a product that they bought will be less found on forums.

The first firmware looks like a nice step toward a really nice little power box.

ronaldvg
12-23-08, 01:10 PM
Gamblertje: I just copy both streams, because for one reason or another I cannot copy the VC-1 and convert to AC3 in one go. Xvid4PSP gives me an error saying it cannot demux the VC-1 stream. That is why I use the detour ;-)

Canuck-eh!
12-23-08, 01:11 PM
Thanks for the answer. I have been converting all my HD DVD and BR to m2ts files with no problem - AnyDVD HD, EVODemuxer, TSMuxerGUI. Only issue is how to get DTS HD or TrueHD to be recognized by TSMuxerGUI - stream errors!! Any suggestions - maybe different file extension for audio files?

senorfrog97
12-23-08, 01:53 PM
A suggestion for those worried about DTS decoding and such - You should pick up the Sony HT-CT100 soundbar - it decodes just about everything you might play on the WD player and runs for under $300 for a built in receiver, soundbar, and subwoofer. Check the thread on here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1026566&page=35

jhue
12-23-08, 01:53 PM
Ok , thanks, but the romfs file is compressed. When I use : extract-romfs romfs.bin romfs , I have : Image info - wrong ASCII Ident.

It's not romfs, it's cramfs (I guess my naming of the file was confusing). You'll have to use a tool that understands cramfs, or mount it on a Linux system using the loopback device as I did.

tine51
12-23-08, 01:54 PM
Does Wd TV have an option to move subtittle up or down on tv screen?? Because when im watching hd movies I enlarge picture, just in this case is the picture on the whole screen. And the part of subtittles disappear. Does anyone know how to move subtittles up or down??
If that option is not possible, I hope it will be possible in new firmware!!
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HWTest
12-23-08, 02:00 PM
I suspect the WD TV is sitting under the tree for me and I have an ext3 drive. I will try it out sometime this weekend probably.

Well, I e-mailed WD support, but they flatly denied that it supported ext2/3, however, they just quoted their specs page at me.

I was hoping that it unofficially supports it...the firmware is Linux-based, after all.

Can an actual competent technical user confirm or deny this?

I've tried with an ext2 formated 512MB thumbdrive - unrecognized media :-(

HWTest
12-23-08, 02:01 PM
Does Wd TV have an option to move subtittle up or down on tv screen?? Because when im watching hd movies I enlarge picture, just in this case is the picture on the whole screen. And the part of subtittles disappear. Does anyone know how to move subtittles up or down??
If that option is not possible, I hope it will be possible in new firmware!!
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No.

gamblertje
12-23-08, 02:13 PM
:)Okay SCOTTWD, we really need the WD player to handle the WMA3 codec.
We can't change a WMV file with WMA into a WMV file with another codec like AC3. So the only solution to play WMV files WITH sound is the WD player with firmware for the WMA codec.

It isn't Christmas yet...:rolleyes:

Luke_P
12-23-08, 02:29 PM
Hello,

It's nice to be here. This WD TV is a kick ass hardware. We were waiting for it for a long, long time. But, for people from EASTERN-CENTRAL EUROPE it doesn't have language support yet :(

So, it is possible to make this hardware more friendly for EASTERN-CENTRAL EUROPE people?

For ScotWD, I can even make full translations for you, example for POLISH language.

Believe me, if this tool will make polish subtitles readable, it will be a BESTSELLER in OUR country for ever!

Thanx!

machofairy
12-23-08, 03:02 PM
Can someone please confirm the reason for the new firmware to have disappeared from the main wdc site?

I want to install it but concerned why it is no longer there. Also what about the people who have installed it, if there is a problem, is it reversible?

It is still obtainable from the web, so its important that we know whether to proceed with the upgrade or not.

Apoc@
12-23-08, 03:07 PM
It's on the main website, with a link to the download page. I can't see the problem.

MR_FATE
12-23-08, 03:14 PM
Can someone please confirm the reason for the new firmware to have disappeared from the main wdc site?

I want to install it but concerned why it is no longer there. Also what about the people who have installed it, if there is a problem, is it reversible?

It is still obtainable from the web, so its important that we know whether to proceed with the upgrade or not.

Right in the middle of the page. http://www.wdc.com/en/

wdmediaplayerfan
12-23-08, 03:44 PM
i think you people need to realize this was the first official firmware release and people are already crying about whats missing or what else needs to be added, give it some time all this whining is really annoying.

I hope you realize that this firmware update came from the feedback on this forum. I think you need to realize that shortly after the holidays and possible during the holidays, the WD team will begin working on a future firmware update. This "crying" is really feedback that will be used in the next firmware update.

If you don't want to hear it then stop reading the forum. It's that simple.

wdmediaplayerfan
12-23-08, 03:53 PM
Three quick thoughts.

1. If you are only using the TV speakers, recode your audio, you don't need DTS.

2. If the concept of DTS is that important to you, invest in the equipment to decode and play DTS including multiple speakers.

3. This thing uses off the shelf chips and operating system. I suspect that home brew firmware is coming.

I think your missing the point. People want DTS support to avoid having to convert the audio. Half of MKV HD movies have DTS. I purchased the WDTV because it has wide support for different codecs, making it conversion unnecessary. No one wants to spend 45 minutes converting audio.

Wide codec support is a huge selling point on the WDTV. Get one more codec and it makes it that much more appealing. Obviously there is a market for this since dozens people have already asked for it on this forum.

reecycup
12-23-08, 03:53 PM
This is the Error i get to Stream copy
What am i doing wrong?


DEMUXING
------------------------------
Demuxing video stream to: C:\Users\****\Pictures\Desktop\0010.vc1
1920x796 VC1 9383kbps 23.976fps

Error: FFmpeg version Sherpya-r14277, Copyright (c) 2000-2008 Fabrice Bellard, et al.

tman2
12-23-08, 04:04 PM
I would wait a day or two before you upgrade. I am not able to use my WD TV now. I have not got an answer from WD if I can go back to original firmware or if they are fixing the problems. They have not removed all of the download links, but they did remove the one on the main download page. This tells me something is up.

wdmediaplayerfan
12-23-08, 04:05 PM
To the anti-DTS folks,

Please realize that just because PCH charges $35 more for their licensed DTS codec, does not mean that the license is expense. Comparing PCH to WD is like comparing apples to oranges. WD is a major company that probably has more attorneys on staff then the entire head count of PCH. Ever heard of "Economies of Scale". I'm sure if WD's DTS price is going to be much cheaper than PCH.

Hopefully ScottWD can shed some light

shizzzon
12-23-08, 04:12 PM
will the WD TV be able to decode true hd or dtsma?

NEVER This has to do with the HDMI interface. This media player MUSt have v1.3x which it doesn't. They would have to bring out a whole new model.

Any news on this Shizzzon ? I bet a lot of people are holding their breath. Thanks vm for your input.


You must give me til the weekend to get all my tests done for WMVHD support. Ronaldvg's method is interesting, i'll look into his and mine and see what's better\more convenient.


Gamblertje: I do the following:

-convert the audio to AC3 with Xvid4PSP
-copy both streams to a MKV file (so from the original WMV just stream copy to MKV) also with Xvid4PSP.
-use tsmuxer (which you can find under Tools in the Xvid4PSP program) to add the AC3 stream with the MKV file.

I just timed how long this takes and all in all it takes me 11 minutes (mostly copying stuff) for a 2 hour movie.

This is somewhat elaborate, but I am hoping that shizzzon will post his findings soon how to use the embedded audio, like he posted yesterday. Then this will not be necessary anymore.

It's not going to be using the same embedded audio. It will consist of converting the existing WMA3 audio to either 6 channel AC3 or 6channel DTS and remuxing it back into the WMV file instead of converting it over to MKV. I'm gonna check your method out since it doesnt take long and i'll compare.

Copy both streams, you mean the original WMV. Must I stream the WMV to MKV ? That's not what I want. Don't want to convert the whole file...Just want the WMV with the AC3 codec instead of the not working WMA3..

IT's coming soon... and i'll post the method if i think it's better than ronaldvg's method.

87wrangler
12-23-08, 04:26 PM
It's not going to be using the same embedded audio. It will consist of converting the existing WMA3 audio to either 6 channel AC3 or 6channel DTS and remuxing it back into the WMV file instead of converting it over to MKV. I'm gonna check your method out since it doesnt take long and i'll compare.

IT's coming soon... and i'll post the method if i think it's better than ronaldvg's method.

Would be interesting to see if you lose any quality in the conversion to MKV. Nice work in this thread, Shizzzon.

87wrangler
12-23-08, 04:32 PM
Nobody's "anti-DTS". I personally just don't expect a $99 box to do everything that more expensive boxes do. If it can (and ScottWD at some point addresses it), great. If not, I don't see what the big deal is in spending 5-10 minutes to run a conversion to get what you need instead of constantly whining about it. If they have to choose, I'd much rather they spend the time/energy focusing on issues that don't have a simple workaround.

To the anti-DTS folks,

Please realize that just because PCH charges $35 more for their licensed DTS codec, does not mean that the license is expense. Comparing PCH to WD is like comparing apples to oranges. WD is a major company that probably has more attorneys on staff then the entire head count of PCH. Ever heard of "Economies of Scale". I'm sure if WD's DTS price is going to be much cheaper than PCH.

Hopefully ScottWD can shed some light

tipitipi
12-23-08, 04:32 PM
I think your missing the point. People want DTS support to avoid having to convert the audio. Half of MKV HD movies have DTS. I purchased the WDTV because it has wide support for different codecs, making it conversion unnecessary. No one wants to spend 45 minutes converting audio.

Wide codec support is a huge selling point on the WDTV. Get one more codec and it makes it that much more appealing. Obviously there is a market for this since dozens people have already asked for it on this forum.


As stated before, playing Dts on the Tv speakers is nearly a non sense.
Anyway, my home theater audio is an old one and isn'DTS compatible.
Son i convert all of my mkv with dts in AC3.
It takes just 5 to 7 minutes for a q6600 core quad .NOT 45MN...

I understand it 'is an issue for someone who don't want to spend time to do it but it's really a kid game to make the convertion.

wdmediaplayerfan
12-23-08, 04:35 PM
I Look at the members in this forum as being a cut above the rest .... unlike the average joe, we actually know what are "audio streams", "encoding" and decoding and the list goes on.

Then we buy LCD and Plasmas with great specs, and then thrive to get the highest quality movies, HD and Brurays yaddi yaddi yadda.

Then it just blows me away that so many would not invest in a receiver!! Seams like people strive for video quality and audio be damned. If I'm watching HiDef flicks it better not be in just stereo output. Or worst .... using the TV's native speakers. Why would you have a Champagne budget for video and a Kool-aid budget for audio. Just having this vital component will resolve all the DTS whining ... amoung other issues.

Stepping off soap box .... flame away.

The WDTV is meant to be a mainstream product. Sold at Best Buy, Amazon, NewEgg, etc. It's even on WD's homepage. Most people do not have surround sound in their house. However, plasma/lcd TVs are mainstream. Take a walk through Bestbuy and the only TVs that you will see are plasma/lcds.

So think about what you are asking. WD wants WDTV to be mainstream. Mainstream has LCD/Plasma now or in the near future. Mainstream doesn't have surround sound. Now, Mainstream has to download an audioconverter from another company and convert their blurays.

I think it would be much easier to put DTS on WDTV. Or make it available to purchase as an option. From a marketing stand point, it makes sense.

hackteck
12-23-08, 04:36 PM
i didnt feel like going through all the 69 pages heh so does this device support avchd?

ahofle
12-23-08, 04:42 PM
The WDTV is meant to be a mainstream product. Sold at Best Buy, Amazon, NewEgg, etc. It's even on WD's homepage. Most people do not have surround sound in their house. However, plasma/lcd TVs are mainstream. Take a walk through Bestbuy and the only TVs that you will see are plasma/lcds.

So think about what you are asking. WD wants WDTV to be mainstream. Mainstream has LCD/Plasma now or in the near future. Mainstream doesn't have surround sound. Now, Mainstream has to download an audioconverter from another company and convert their blurays.

I think it would be much easier to put DTS on WDTV. Or make it available to purchase as an option. From a marketing stand point, it makes sense.

True, but most 'mainstream' Best Buy shoppers also do not download MKVs containing DTS streams from USENET and then refuse to spend an extra 5 minutes converting them. :)

tipitipi
12-23-08, 04:44 PM
...

I think it would be much easier to put DTS on WDTV. Or make it available to purchase as an option. From a marketing stand point, it makes sense.


Do agree with that.

BaN
12-23-08, 04:46 PM
i didnt feel like going through all the 69 pages heh so does this device support avchd?

Yes.

bramkarz
12-23-08, 05:17 PM
Could anyone try to play this file please?

http://www.4shared.com/file/77325889/ea04070a/canon_sample.html

it is 1920x1080 / 25fps file from canon hf100. thanks a lot.

paris_tn
12-23-08, 05:20 PM
Should i get on with Netflix or usenet or both? I have seen usenet mentioned in here and never knew what it was and trying to read up on it now. I did pick up a wd tv and it is under the xmas tree. Now getting all jpgs and mp3's finalized like i want in folders(on ext hd) but will need to pick up another ext hd for movie play back.

Olbique Turmoil
12-23-08, 05:22 PM
Good deal, but let me ask this...

I use AnyDvD to rip my Blu-Ray's.. I've tried 2 so far with no success, (Jumper, Wanted)...

Option one:

Rip to *.iso --->

WDtV doesn't play at all, even with new firmware.

Option two:

Rip to *.m2ts --->

Jumper:

Audio Track 1 is Spanish
Audio Track 2 (Digital) I can't hear it because I'm using the TV for now, as my Surround Sound is still packed away.
Audio Track 3 is French
Audio Track 4 Is director's Commentary

Wanted:

All Audio Tacks are listed as digital, and I have no audio.

Now I've been reading about the PCH Converter and the Xvid4PSP.

Am I in the situation of needing to use these? And if I do convert the Audio, once I hook up my SS, will I still be able to get DTS through my receiver using these converted to AC3?

Thanks for the help!

-Ot

Just wonderin if anyone any thoughts?

-Ot

elassowipo
12-23-08, 05:26 PM
Finally bought one today after reading about the latest firmware release and according to the release notes it plays dvr-ms which sealed the deal for me.
Will see how it goes

ronaldvg
12-23-08, 05:30 PM
For everyone (I mean you shizzzon) out there that wants to experiment with getting WMVHD VC-1 WMA Pro to a playable file, here are the steps I use now. I have adjusted my method for speed and because of the VC-1 error of Xvid4PSP. To give an example: I just did these exact steps on an 8 Gb 1080p WMV and it took me precisely 12 minutes.

You need two programs: SUPER Converter and XVID4PSP (Google them)

-Super converter: choose MKV as the container, Stream Copy the Video, Disable Audio
-XVID4PSP: open WMV and DISABLE Video, Put Audio on AC3 640k, press Encode
-Choose Tools from XVID4PSP and start TSMUXER. Now open both the WMV file you got in step one and the AC3 file you got in step 2 and MUX them into a TS file.

The resulting TS file will play perfectly on the WD, as is the 8 Gb file doing now. Just delete the MKV and the AC3 file.

If there is somenone that can make this conversion in less steps, please let us all know !

ronaldvg
12-23-08, 05:44 PM
bramkarz: the sample file from your canon plays perfectly without any conversion. Sound and video (horseback riders) are perfect.

BVG
12-23-08, 05:46 PM
This solution resolves the tags (<i>,<b>,etc..) problems too?

Thanks :)
Yeap, the subtitles (embedded) are ok now. But this subtitles are not rendered like a SRT in a separate file :p -weird-

ronaldvg
12-23-08, 05:48 PM
by the way, I just converted another file using my method in post #2073. It was a 1080p wmv file of 4,1 Gigbyte. It took exactly 6.01 minutes to complete. That leads me to believe that all the time needed is just the copying of the data, because the 8 Gb file took exactly double that time. This file also plays without problems.

Fjolle
12-23-08, 05:55 PM
Just wonderin if anyone any thoughts?

-Ot

I think that the tracks you can play are already DD tracks. When you get your sorround the ac3 files are still 5.1. I guess that you can keep the DTS tracks too if you like, but i'm not sure about that...

shizzzon
12-23-08, 06:12 PM
Ronaldvg, I can't do what I wanted to do for some reason so I'm gonna use your method and revise it for multiple purposes.

Good thing you found this out so quickly, saves me LOTS of time for testing other things.

I will be scanning these mkv files for quality and compatibility purposes.

I do know how to convert WMA3 to DTS but do not know if it's any better than going to just AC3 and no, the DTS conversion is not free, it's pretty expensive.

ronaldvg
12-23-08, 06:23 PM
Ronaldvg, I can't do what I wanted to do for some reason so I'm gonna use your method and revise it for multiple purposes.

Good thing you found this out so quickly, saves me LOTS of time for testing other things.

I will be scanning these mkv files for quality and compatibility purposes.

I do know how to convert WMA3 to DTS but do not know if it's any better than going to just AC3 and no, the DTS conversion is not free, it's pretty expensive.

Shizzzon, please make sure you use the method in post #2073. Good luck.

wildcard30
12-23-08, 06:27 PM
Could anyone try to play this file please?

http://www.4shared.com/file/77325889/ea04070a/canon_sample.html

it is 1920x1080 / 25fps file from canon hf100. thanks a lot.

Played fine on the WD TV.

a4tq
12-23-08, 06:31 PM
Has the problem with the black levels been solved?

In this post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15311559#post15311559

The poster mentions producing limited vs full and flaggin as limited vs full. I'm curious how this test was done. Just want to learn.

MMhardKy
12-23-08, 06:37 PM
Is it true that the DTS skipping issue in MKV got worse with the update?

tman2
12-23-08, 06:39 PM
An update on my problem. I received an email from Scott at WD. It is a known issue with the new firmware update and they will address in the next firmware update which will be in a few weeks. Again, I would not update the firmware. I am told that you cannot go backwards. So, I am without the WDTV for a few weeks ( I will have to connect my harddrives to my computer). The problem I was having was the inability to play files after the update. I will let everyone know if my problem is resolved in a few weeks.

BVG
12-23-08, 06:42 PM
Is it true that the DTS skipping issue in MKV got worse with the update?

What do you mean by DTS skipping issue?

MMhardKy
12-23-08, 06:53 PM
What do you mean by DTS skipping issue?

Certain MKV files had skipping DTS audio (SPDIF passthrough, decoded via reciever). It had to be fixed by remuxing the file into m2ts.

Some of my 1080p movies with DTS did that.

Someone wrote that more MKVs are experiencing this problem after the update.

Tom Thumb
12-23-08, 07:29 PM
So is this update safe to use or not? I read a few pages back that it had been removed from the WD site, but it seems to be there right now! :confused:
Thanks!

aodleader78
12-23-08, 07:31 PM
I've had no issue with firmware at all.

For those complaining about DTS, just buy the appropriate hardware, can't understand why you expect WDTV to decode this for you.

OzzieP
12-23-08, 07:55 PM
O.K. got a 400GB drive hooked up to WD TV with original firmware for now. Need a memory stick before I do this upgrade.

Problem's:
1.) Some of my mpv files show the cover art I added and some don't.
Does it take a while before they are all loaded up?

2.) All of my mpv and vob files play perfectly, but FF RR does not work with mpv files only with my vob files.

3.) Turning the unit off I understand I have to hit eject every single time(Correct?), however after turning WD TV off the hard drive stays powered.

If this is normal does that mean to properly turn this thing off you need to press eject, select each drive to eject and hit enter on each, power down WD TV, then finally unlplug the USB external drives?

Rod_Hull
12-23-08, 08:01 PM
I've tried with an ext2 formated 512MB thumbdrive - unrecognized media :-(

That's a real shame :(

I would have thought that since journaled HFS+ is definitely NOT supported, then ext3 might not be - fair enough, but ext2 would be better than nothing!

They must have removed support from the kernel to save space, perhaps...a real shame that I'm going to have to convert my drive to NTFS which is inferior to ext3 :(

I would try HFS+, I know Linux has read/write support for it now at least (in its unjournaled format). It would be good if I had a Mac to recover from any future disaster, however, which I don't.

I'm loathe to have to use NTFS if at all possible!

Straightflush
12-23-08, 08:06 PM
Should i get on with Netflix or usenet or both? I have seen usenet mentioned in here and never knew what it was and trying to read up on it now. I did pick up a wd tv and it is under the xmas tree. Now getting all jpgs and mp3's finalized like i want in folders(on ext hd) but will need to pick up another ext hd for movie play back.

I do not believe that a WD TV will play what Netflix has to offer, I believe. It will not handle protected content. From the specs on the site: "Does not support protected premium content such as movies or music from the iTunes® Store, Cinema Now, Movielink®, Amazon Unbox™, and Vongo®"

This box is good for watching the legal backups you make of your own DVDs and BluRays, and for watching your home videos.:D

This newsgroups thing you speak of sounds pretty shady to me, I would think we can't discuss that here. But it does sound like you might want to learn more about things like newsgroups, newsreaders, nzb files, quickpar, and winrar.

MMhardKy
12-23-08, 08:49 PM
Certain MKV files had skipping DTS audio (SPDIF passthrough, decoded via reciever). It had to be fixed by remuxing the file into m2ts.

Some of my 1080p movies with DTS did that.

Someone wrote that more MKVs are experiencing this problem after the update.

I did the update, DTS behaveour seems to be the same as pre-update. The DTS MKVs that worked before work now aswell...

1920*1040*5ref also worked great.

kirktx
12-23-08, 08:53 PM
Saw the BB ad for the WD HD and found this forum... Up until now, all of my movies have been on DVD in my DVD jukebox... As I am new to this, can anyone recommend the best way of ripping both standard and blu-ray DVDs to my external harddrive? or, point me to the proper forum or faq?

Straightflush
12-23-08, 09:04 PM
Certain MKV files had skipping DTS audio (SPDIF passthrough, decoded via reciever). It had to be fixed by remuxing the file into m2ts.

Some of my 1080p movies with DTS did that.

Someone wrote that more MKVs are experiencing this problem after the update.

I had an MKV (DTS) which about every 5 seconds dropped out and picked up right after. Is that the 'skipping' problem? It was driving me nuts. That's the issue?

I know it has been posted (but I am remiss to go through 70 pages to find) what is the best program to remux with?

shizzzon
12-23-08, 09:16 PM
Sorry but i cant test Super on this machine... it's too new and powerful :(

64bit XP running on 13.8GHz

I am looking for alternatives...

wdmediaplayerfan
12-23-08, 09:17 PM
Saw the BB ad for the WD HD and found this forum... Up until now, all of my movies have been on DVD in my DVD jukebox... As I am new to this, can anyone recommend the best way of ripping both standard and blu-ray DVDs to my external harddrive? or, point me to the proper forum or faq?

For DVDs I use Dvdshrink (http://www.dvdshrink.org/what_en.php). I don't know if it's the best, but it's free. You can make an ISO or VOB file and remove the unwanted features in the process. Make sure you remove the protection in settings. WDTV won't play protected files.

I download all my blurays so can't help you there.

ronaldvg
12-23-08, 09:19 PM
shizzzon, what you need is a program that just copies the VC-1 stream to a MKV file. The Xvid5PSP gives an error on many files while trying to do that. When you can get the MKV file, you can follow my steps in post #2073

SUPER does this very well and quick here, so it is strange that it does not for you. Also tried my method on my neighbours PC and it worked. My setup is a notebook with Dual Core T9600 and Vista 64 bit on it, but when something does not work right, I use a Virtual Machine file with XP or Vista 32.

gemini6
12-23-08, 09:30 PM
Is there a way to revert to the previous firmware? I think I need this...

87wrangler
12-23-08, 09:31 PM
shizzzon, what you need is a program that just copies the VC-1 stream to a MKV file. The Xvid5PSP gives an error on many files while trying to do that. When you can get the MKV file, you can follow my steps in post #2073

SUPER does this very well and quick here, so it is strange that it does not for you. Also tried my method on my neighbours PC and it worked. My setup is a notebook with Dual Core T9600 and Vista 64 bit on it, but when something does not work right, I use a Virtual Machine file with XP or Vista 32.

Have you tried eac3to?

shizzzon
12-23-08, 10:06 PM
man, i have tried everything i know of that is "easy"

eac3to does not recognize wmvhd files.

87wrangler
12-23-08, 10:17 PM
man, i have tried everything i know of that is "easy"

eac3to does not recognize wmvhd files.

Anything in these threads help?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=995046

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=132481

OzzieP
12-23-08, 10:34 PM
Will "SUPER" take may giant .m2ts file and convert it to an .mkv file my WD will play, or do I need to do something else to it before then?

ampatau
12-23-08, 10:35 PM
Upgraded to WD TV Firmware Version 1.01.01 mainly for the new sub support and 24hz playback.

I've had no luck outputting 1080p at 24hz for .mkv files even if their native framerate is 23.976. It results in what appears to be dropped frames. Needless to say the playback appears unnatural and at times quite jerky. This happens on 720p and 1080p files. These files are well within spec for the player and play faultlessly on my PS3 when converted from .mkv

AVI files seem to play back ok at 24hz as well as .m2ts files from AVCHD Rips.

I have to resort to using 50/60hz for the .mkv 23.976 framerate files, which as a result,dont playback as smoothly as they would if 24hz would work.

My Wd HD-TV is connected to a panasonic plasma which supports 24p playback.

Anyone else had this problem?

Any advice or input would be appreciated :)

PS..i've contacted WD support with the problem and will post back when they respond.

Monkeyface66
12-23-08, 10:48 PM
I've had no luck outputting 1080p at 24hz for .mkv files even if their native framerate is 23.976.
It results in what appears to be dropped frames. Needless to say the playback appears unnatural and at times quite jerky.


Yes, I can confirm this bug. (in 1080p 24hz videomode only.)

All kind of 23,976 fps .MKV files stutter for about 10 seconds twice a minute!
So, 20 seconds smooth playback, then 10 seconds stuttering followed by 20 seconds smooth playback again and so on.


23,976 fps .M2TS files seem to be PERFECTLY SMOOTH :) (Thank you for this, WesternDigital!)
NO stuttering with these.


A temporary fix for you:
Save the .mkv file as a .m2ts file using "tsMuxeR" and the stuttering will disappear.

MR_FATE
12-23-08, 11:01 PM
Yes, I can confirm this bug. (in 1080p 24hz videomode only.)

All kind of 23,976 fps .MKV files stutter for about 10 seconds twice a minute!
So, 20 seconds smooth playback, then 10 seconds stuttering followed by 20 seconds smooth playback again and so on.


23,976 fps .M2TS files seem to be PERFECTLY SMOOTH :) (Thank you for this, WesternDigital!)
NO stuttering with these.


A temporary fix for you:
Save the .mkv file as a .m2ts file using "tsMuxeR" and the stuttering will disappear.

I can confirm this stutter as well. It is intermittent and does not always happen in the same spot. I does happen on a bunch of files, but ONLY when the 24hz is enabled @ 1080p.

jtboston
12-23-08, 11:22 PM
Doing the firmware upgrade right now. Love this thing, amazed how well it plays 1080P. Hopefully someone finds a way to load boxee or xbmc on the WD HD, and somehow make one of the usb ports to accept a USB ethernet dongle. Hopefully.

Even after the firmware update, some XVID files are choppy. Had the same issue prior to the update.

eclipse10114
12-24-08, 12:44 AM
Overall, I find this firmware update extremely good and defiantly a step in the right direction for this device. One minor thing that bothered me. I really like how the actual size of the file now shows up next to each name BUT I really hate how they don't just abbreviate the size calculations. Since most of my content is video, a lot of which are HD, the file sizes are easily in the GBs range but the WD TV lists only in KB, so the numbers stretch the entire line. Like I said, not a huge deal but still kinda bothers me on the inside ;)

hcour
12-24-08, 01:04 AM
Downloaded and installed firmware update with no problem. Have been using m2ts files with no problem. I see a lot of you use mkv files. Any advantages/ Any good tutorial on how to create them? I have googled and find a number of sites, but would prefer a recommendation.

Thanks.I'm experimenting w/transcoding m2ts files to smaller mkv files to minimize the space they take up on my hd. Some m2ts files are huge, you can take a 17 gb 1080 file down to a 10 gb 720 file w/little loss in quality and considerable less drive space. Ripbot seems to be the easiest program to use for this. There's a Ripbot forum on the Doom9 board.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=127611&highlight=ripbot

StuntDriverXL
12-24-08, 01:11 AM
Overall, I find this firmware update extremely good and defiantly a step in the right direction for this device. One minor thing that bothered me. I really like how the actual size of the file now shows up next to each name BUT I really hate how they don't just abbreviate the size calculations. Since most of my content is video, a lot of which are HD, the file sizes are easily in the GBs range but the WD TV lists only in KB, so the numbers stretch the entire line. Like I said, not a huge deal but still kinda bothers me on the inside ;)

I agree with you about the file sizes. If you are a girl I would like to bother you on the inside also:rolleyes:

quad9
12-24-08, 01:24 AM
Hi All.

Great thread! And this device was one of the best bargains I have ever seen ($99 at BB). The films look great.

I was planning to upgrade to the latest firmware, particularly because of the 10 minute-skip ahead feature.

However, I display in list mode since I can see more titles at one time and have been disappointed with how slowly thumbnails are displayed.

But posts by some upgraders suggest that the listing of file sizes is a drawback rather than an improvement. Could someone post a link to screen-shot of what list view now looks like when several movies are listed along with their file sizes.

If it looks too cluttered, I don't think I'll upgrade.

I purchased this device so my young grandkids can switch from movie to movie without needing to interchange the actual discs. The slowness of thumbnail displays spoiled what would have been a great way for them to select their movies; so instead, they will read the titles in list view. But if file sizes clutter up the display, that may be a real drawback.

Thanks to anyone who posts a pic or a link to a pic.

bahoiz
12-24-08, 02:49 AM
Hi,

Thank you very much for all info about this amazing
player, to all of you. specially WD team.

I saw a topic in a Turkish Forum ,forumdonanimhaber,
where they discuss same things, and they found a way
to use TURKISH SUBTITLE. it is really good for
unsupported language. they convert subtitles to the
IDX/SUB format , and player shows turkish character without problem.
I tried it and it really works.

Thanks them

Theojoris
12-24-08, 03:09 AM
My player is connected with toslink cable to my reciever and set to digital out.
However no sound on mkv files .
Playing avi 5.1 perfect sound.
Very strange...

Any help please

gamblertje
12-24-08, 03:56 AM
by the way, I just converted another file using my method in post #2073. It was a 1080p wmv file of 4,1 Gigbyte. It took exactly 6.01 minutes to complete. That leads me to believe that all the time needed is just the copying of the data, because the 8 Gb file took exactly double that time. This file also plays without problems.


RONALD; Is the TS file still 1080P ? And use TS or M2TS (difference) ?


And SHIZZZON; Did you say you can convert the audio of a WMV file with WMA into DTS ? Than you also know how to convert WMA into AC3 within a WMV file. If so, please explain. Most simple way to get sound in a WMV file is to change the audio codec WMA into AC3 and keep the WMV file.

---It worked with Super and xvid4psp, I got a TS with sound. But, it took about 20-25 min to do this for 8gb. When I use my files of 15-16gb you can imagine how long this takes. There's only one good solutiion; Next firmware should support the WMA codec, so simple.---

PCKid
12-24-08, 04:05 AM
Yes, I can confirm this bug. (in 1080p 24hz videomode only.)

All kind of 23,976 fps .MKV files stutter for about 10 seconds twice a minute!
So, 20 seconds smooth playback, then 10 seconds stuttering followed by 20 seconds smooth playback again and so on.


23,976 fps .M2TS files seem to be PERFECTLY SMOOTH :) (Thank you for this, WesternDigital!)
NO stuttering with these.


A temporary fix for you:
Save the .mkv file as a .m2ts file using "tsMuxeR" and the stuttering will disappear.

Is there a Mac program like tsMuxeR?

tipitipi
12-24-08, 04:21 AM
Upgraded to WD TV Firmware Version 1.01.01 mainly for the new sub support and 24hz playback.

I've had no luck outputting 1080p at 24hz for .mkv files even if their native framerate is 23.976. It results in what appears to be dropped frames. Needless to say the playback appears unnatural and at times quite jerky. This happens on 720p and 1080p files. These files are well within spec for the player and play faultlessly on my PS3 when converted from .mkv

AVI files seem to play back ok at 24hz as well as .m2ts files from AVCHD Rips.

I have to resort to using 50/60hz for the .mkv 23.976 framerate files, which as a result,dont playback as smoothly as they would if 24hz would work.

My Wd HD-TV is connected to a panasonic plasma which supports 24p playback.

Anyone else had this problem?

Any advice or input would be appreciated :)

PS..i've contacted WD support with the problem and will post back when they respond.



Exact , same thing for me ,even in in 60Hz some mkv's are more laggy than before.....

fred_be9300
12-24-08, 04:40 AM
the link to the firmware is now also back on the support page for WD TV
http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=1001&level1=&prodid=&modelno=&lang=en

it was not there 12 hours ago, but it was there some 36 hour ago

Jazzfisch1
12-24-08, 05:13 AM
Greetings from Germany
I would like to say thank you for all the knowlege in this forum and speciall WD SCott for such a quick and high quality updated firmware!!!!

My setup is a Verbatim Multimedia HDD with WLAN and the WD TV. For me it is a perfect combination.

Now please do not beat me BUT still no solution on the Album art and cover view in the Album view? Some people in my family are more in to visual search than reading....

If the Album covers are there I will not ask for more! (4000 CDs legaly purchased) And free up so much space in the living room

Thanks and happy holidays from good old europe

kobijn
12-24-08, 05:40 AM
Hi, I am planing to buy this WD TV.
I do have a lot of (legal) DVD copies in *.iso and in video_ts directory format. (SD movies)
These DVD's contain sometimes multiple movies.
As I understand in this forum the DVD menu's are not working. (should be great in a next firmware update)

Am I able to select one movie (selected from multiple) from the DVD (iso or video_ts), or do I have to skip through the movie until the next movie begins. Or does "Next Chapter" works fine ???. Or does it play only the first movie.

Please help me out:)

chochamu
12-24-08, 06:21 AM
I've got my wd unit hooked to a 750gb maxtor one-touch drive. If the unit has been powered off for a bit, it seems the hard drive eventually powers down or goes into standby (a function of the drive I'm assuming), but then when I power up the wd, it doesn't see the drive. The only way I can get it to see the drive again is to unplug/replug the usb cable. Anybody experience this and have a workaround?


i am looking at getting a 1TB maxtor drive and found this

http://www.denondjforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&p=97874

was wondering if you could test this out or if you found a way around the problem of the drive going into sleep mode or if anyone else has for that matter TIA...

ernie12121
12-24-08, 06:29 AM
by the way, I just converted another file using my method in post #2073. It was a 1080p wmv file of 4,1 Gigbyte. It took exactly 6.01 minutes to complete. That leads me to believe that all the time needed is just the copying of the data, because the 8 Gb file took exactly double that time. This file also plays without problems.

Ronald thanks sofar. Since Super doesn't want to run on my pc I tried your firts suggestion using XVID4PSP. The audiopart of your tutorial works fine and I have now the seperate ac3 file in about 8 minutes. However if i now want to copy both streams to MKV I keep getting the error "

"DEMUXING
------------------------------
Demuxing video stream to: D:\Temp\0012.vc1
1280x536 VC1 6704kbps 23.976fps

Error: FFmpeg version SVN-r15815, Copyright (c) 2000-2008 Fabrice Bellard, et al."

any idea what might be wrong ?

Thanks for your help

bandidoski
12-24-08, 06:37 AM
I have a question... is it normal that the WD TV HD stay warm even when is off, just connected to the power?

MR_FATE
12-24-08, 07:28 AM
My player is connected with toslink cable to my reciever and set to digital out.
However no sound on mkv files .
Playing avi 5.1 perfect sound.
Very strange...

Are your MKV files encoded in DTS? Does you receiver support it?

MR_FATE
12-24-08, 07:31 AM
I have a question... is it normal that the WD TV HD stay warm even when is off, just connected to the power?

Yes. It is actually on all the time even when it is off. The power off is discrete. It will feel warm to the touch all the time and nothing you need to worry about.

TOPDAWG_21
12-24-08, 08:20 AM
Should i get on with Netflix or usenet or both? I have seen usenet mentioned in here and never knew what it was and trying to read up on it now. I did pick up a wd tv and it is under the xmas tree. Now getting all jpgs and mp3's finalized like i want in folders(on ext hd) but will need to pick up another ext hd for movie play back.

I myself love usenet. Also I'll make it clear you would only use usenet to download free movies. Being as you said netflix not sure you want to pay or download for free. Usenet is great and unlike torrents you download full speed and you don't have to upload anything back. Here is the severe I use. I've never had an issue with them yet always works great.

http://www.news.astraweb.com/specials/kleverig-11.html

ruijorge.tinder
12-24-08, 08:50 AM
Hi,

Has anyone noticed that after muxing an .avi or .mkv file with a subtitle(tried .srt,.ass,.ssa) file using mkvmerge, in the last seconds the substitles don't show up? Maybe the last 7/8 seconds or a bit more. Very strange. I've already checked this with more than one movie and I've also checked the subtitles files.
Maybe something that I have done wrong in mkvmerge or a WD TV problem?

zgemboandislic
12-24-08, 09:48 AM
Does it Say "Unsupported Audio format"? As it may be the case that it's the Audio that is unsupported as my VC-1's play fine, they just dont have any audio.

No, it just says Unable to play (unsupported file) or something like that.

Anyways, I will try remuxing the video alone, then try again, but the audio format is DTS, so it shouldn't be a problem. I tried two different VC-1 movies from different sources with the same error message.

If anyone could help me I would really be greatful.

I mean obviously VC-1 is not Officialy supported, but judging by the comments here some users have had success, now if we could only pinpoint which VC-1 is supported and which not.

P.S. My VC-1 files were in .mkv containter, not m2ts, if that makes any difference...

tedmozer
12-24-08, 10:07 AM
i am looking at getting a 1TB maxtor drive and found this

http://www.denondjforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&p=97874

was wondering if you could test this out or if you found a way around the problem of the drive going into sleep mode or if anyone else has for that matter TIA...

The problem is that the drive does NOT go into sleep mode when the WD TV is off.

zgemboandislic
12-24-08, 10:23 AM
Got it! So VC-1 is supported as long as it's not in .mkv format, remuxed it to m2ts and it plays like a charm!

Excellent job WD team, thank you for listening to your customers!

mattm58
12-24-08, 10:57 AM
i am looking at getting a 1TB maxtor drive and found this

http://www.denondjforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&p=97874

was wondering if you could test this out or if you found a way around the problem of the drive going into sleep mode or if anyone else has for that matter TIA...

I just saw in the new firmware release notes that one of the resolved issues is:

Resolved issues surrounding drives going to "sleep" and folders showing as empty; previously drives equipped with a sleep feature would not re-initialize before the WD TV timed out and displayed the folders as empty.

I'm hoping this fixes my problem, because I'd like the drive to go to sleep when not in use. I'm going to test the firmware today and I'll see how it goes.

RishM
12-24-08, 11:52 AM
The following file used to play without any problems in the old firmware. After the upgrade, the playback stops after about 10secs and returns to the file list view. It always stops at the same point (during the opening credits). If I FFWD during that point, it plays properly and shuts down again after 10-15 secs. It happens for other episodes too, so it doesn't look to be a corrupt file.

Anyone else have the same problem ?



*** MediaInfo Mac // Plain text file report
2008-12-24 12:47:50 -0500
Information for File: Dexter.s03e01.proper.720p-dhd.mkv

General / Container Stream # 1
Total Video Streams for this File -> 1
Total Audio Streams for this File -> 1
Video Codecs Used -> AVC
Audio Codecs Used -> AC3
File Format -> Matroska
Play Time -> 56mn 56s
Total File Size -> 1.46 GiB
Total Stream BitRate -> 3 666 Kbps
Encoded with -> mkvmerge v2.3.0 ('Freak U') built on Sep 8 2008 18:32:16
Encoding Library -> libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1
Video Stream # 1
Codec (Human Name) -> AVC
Codec (FourCC) -> V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Codec Profile -> High@L4.1
Frame Width -> 1 280 pixels
Frame Height -> 720 pixels
Frame Rate -> 23.976 fps
Total Frames -> 81910
Display Aspect Ratio -> 16/9
Scan Type -> Progressive
Colorimetry -> 4:2:0
Codec Settings (Summary) -> CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
QF (like Gordian Knot) -> 0.148
Codec Settings (CABAC) -> Yes
Video Stream Length -> 56mn 52s 916ms
Video Stream BitRate -> 3 128 Kbps
Video Stream BitRate (Nominal) -> 3 278 Kbps
Bit Depth -> 24 bits
Video Encoder -> x264 - core 64 978tw
Video Encoder (Settings) -> cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy_rd=1.0:0.5 / brdo=0 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-4 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / bime=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass / bitrate=3278 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00
Video Stream Language -> English
Audio Stream # 1
Codec -> AC-3
Codec (FourCC) -> A_AC3
Audio Stream Length -> 56mn 56s 320ms
Audio Stream BitRate -> 384 Kbps
Audio Stream BitRate Mode -> CBR
Number of Audio Channels -> 6
Audio Channel's Positions -> Front: L C R, Rear: L R, LFE
Sampling Rate -> 48.0 KHz

MR_FATE
12-24-08, 12:29 PM
The following file used to play without any problems in the old firmware. After the upgrade, the playback stops after about 10secs and returns to the file list view. It always stops at the same point (during the opening credits). If I FFWD during that point, it plays properly and shuts down again after 10-15 secs. It happens for other episodes too, so it doesn't look to be a corrupt file.

Anyone else have the same problem ?



*** MediaInfo Mac // Plain text file report
2008-12-24 12:47:50 -0500
Information for File: Dexter.s03e01.proper.720p-dhd.mkv

General / Container Stream # 1
Total Video Streams for this File -> 1
Total Audio Streams for this File -> 1
Video Codecs Used -> AVC
Audio Codecs Used -> AC3
File Format -> Matroska
Play Time -> 56mn 56s
Total File Size -> 1.46 GiB
Total Stream BitRate -> 3 666 Kbps
Encoded with -> mkvmerge v2.3.0 ('Freak U') built on Sep 8 2008 18:32:16
Encoding Library -> libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1
Video Stream # 1
Codec (Human Name) -> AVC
Codec (FourCC) -> V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Codec Profile -> High@L4.1
Frame Width -> 1 280 pixels
Frame Height -> 720 pixels
Frame Rate -> 23.976 fps
Total Frames -> 81910
Display Aspect Ratio -> 16/9
Scan Type -> Progressive
Colorimetry -> 4:2:0
Codec Settings (Summary) -> CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
QF (like Gordian Knot) -> 0.148
Codec Settings (CABAC) -> Yes
Video Stream Length -> 56mn 52s 916ms
Video Stream BitRate -> 3 128 Kbps
Video Stream BitRate (Nominal) -> 3 278 Kbps
Bit Depth -> 24 bits
Video Encoder -> x264 - core 64 978tw
Video Encoder (Settings) -> cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy_rd=1.0:0.5 / brdo=0 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-4 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / bime=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass / bitrate=3278 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00
Video Stream Language -> English
Audio Stream # 1
Codec -> AC-3
Codec (FourCC) -> A_AC3
Audio Stream Length -> 56mn 56s 320ms
Audio Stream BitRate -> 384 Kbps
Audio Stream BitRate Mode -> CBR
Number of Audio Channels -> 6
Audio Channel's Positions -> Front: L C R, Rear: L R, LFE
Sampling Rate -> 48.0 KHz


Everything in the file info looks like it is well within the limits of the player. Do these files also have issue on a PC?

RishM
12-24-08, 12:41 PM
Everything in the file info looks like it is well within the limits of the player. Do these files also have issue on a PC?

No. They all play fine in VLC.

MR_FATE
12-24-08, 12:47 PM
No. They all play fine in VLC.

While it is unlikely that the files are bad, it is possible the player update caused and issue with the way it is now parsing the files. Is it just the Dexter files that are doing it or are others suffering the same thing?

Another thought. Did you change the player video setting to 24hz? If so, change it back to auto and see if that does not resolve it.

One last suggestion would be to reset the box.

djn2004
12-24-08, 12:52 PM
I too have the dropped frames issues with 1080p 24hz. This was the feature I was most hoping for but unfortunately it does work. I hope they get it sorted out soon.

machofairy
12-24-08, 01:21 PM
I hope someone answer these two questions for me...


1. I have a bluray rip with lots of m2ts files .. does the wdtv play them all sequentially, seamlessly? If not, is there an easy way for me to join these files into one big one?

2. Is the "official PS3 HDMI cable" same as any ordinary HDMI cable? I need a spare and can see some of the PS3 ones going cheap in the sales.


thanks in advance

ronaldvg
12-24-08, 01:45 PM
Ronald thanks sofar. Since Super doesn't want to run on my pc I tried your firts suggestion using XVID4PSP. The audiopart of your tutorial works fine and I have now the seperate ac3 file in about 8 minutes. However if i now want to copy both streams to MKV I keep getting the error "

"DEMUXING
------------------------------
Demuxing video stream to: D:\Temp\0012.vc1
1280x536 VC1 6704kbps 23.976fps

Error: FFmpeg version SVN-r15815, Copyright (c) 2000-2008 Fabrice Bellard, et al."

any idea what might be wrong ?

Thanks for your help

The reason that I began using SUPER was exactly that same problem. With SUPER it never failed yet, so I did not investigate further. I never had any problems using SUPER on a lot of different PC's btw.

OzzieP
12-24-08, 01:46 PM
Is it normal for the external drive to stay on even when the system is selected off?

ChayesFSS
12-24-08, 01:46 PM
I hope someone answer these two questions for me...


1. I have a bluray rip with lots of m2ts files .. does the wdtv play them all sequentially, seamlessly? If not, is there an easy way for me to join these files into one big one?

2. Is the "official PS3 HDMI cable" same as any ordinary HDMI cable? I need a spare and can see some of the PS3 ones going cheap in the sales.


thanks in advance

Mine playes full backups just fine although I just play the largest one

all hdmi cables are the same, doesn't matter if you over payed for a name brand or payed 2 bucks

shizzzon
12-24-08, 01:48 PM
RONALD; Is the TS file still 1080P ? And use TS or M2TS (difference) ?


And SHIZZZON; Did you say you can convert the audio of a WMV file with WMA into DTS ? Than you also know how to convert WMA into AC3 within a WMV file. If so, please explain. Most simple way to get sound in a WMV file is to change the audio codec WMA into AC3 and keep the WMV file.

---It worked with Super and xvid4psp, I got a TS with sound. But, it took about 20-25 min to do this for 8gb. When I use my files of 15-16gb you can imagine how long this takes. There's only one good solutiion; Next firmware should support the WMA codec, so simple.---

OK guys, how are you doing this?

I found out that the 64bit version of XP does not support Super so i installed it on a 32bit Winxp pc.

I import file xxxxxxx.wmv, container - mkv, codec H.264\AVC
I then disable audio and hit encode.

It then makes a file called xxxxxxx.wmv.mkv.

I checked with mediainfo and it says it's still VC-1(WMV3)

TSMuxer will not import this file because of this error...

So, what are you guys doing different because somethign is being left out...

Do i need any codecs installed on this 32bit machine because i dont have any.

errivera
12-24-08, 02:44 PM
Hi, I am planing to buy this WD TV.
I do have a lot of (legal) DVD copies in *.iso and in video_ts directory format. (SD movies)
These DVD's contain sometimes multiple movies.
As I understand in this forum the DVD menu's are not working. (should be great in a next firmware update)

Am I able to select one movie (selected from multiple) from the DVD (iso or video_ts), or do I have to skip through the movie until the next movie begins. Or does "Next Chapter" works fine ???. Or does it play only the first movie.

Please help me out:)


I have been reading all of the posts on this thread for quite some time and would like to thank all of the participants for sharing their expertise. Some of you have gone way beyond what is expected and provided invaluable information.

I too have hundreds of legally backed-up CDs in the iso format and was disappointed to see that iso is still not formally supported on this device. It would be expected that the next firmware update will support 'common' formats and especially their menus. This would be a deal-breaker for me since this device will primarily be used by my children.

Nice unit though; I hope it all comes together for the people at WD and they are able to supply their customers with what they need.

ronaldvg
12-24-08, 03:13 PM
OK guys, how are you doing this?

I found out that the 64bit version of XP does not support Super so i installed it on a 32bit Winxp pc.

I import file xxxxxxx.wmv, container - mkv, codec H.264\AVC
I then disable audio and hit encode.

It then makes a file called xxxxxxx.wmv.mkv.

I checked with mediainfo and it says it's still VC-1(WMV3)

TSMuxer will not import this file because of this error...

So, what are you guys doing different because somethign is being left out...

Do i need any codecs installed on this 32bit machine because i dont have any.

shizzzon, yesterday I converted all of my wmv media (30+ files) with this routine, and also my brother now uses it with no issues. TSmuxer does accept the MKV file that is made by SUPER. Make sure that you stream copy the Video and disable the audio. Other settings are not needed.

Then do the convert of the audio with XVID4psp, this will produce a *.AC3 file

Then just add both of the files (*.MKV and *.AC3) in TSMuxer and mux them together. I get no errors whatsoever.

SUPER does not need any codecs, but I have HAALI and FFDShow and AC3Filter installed. No Codec packs or something as I dont like to use them.

Gamblertje: I use one external drive (esata) where the source media is located and then SUPER and XVID do their thing to my internal drive. Then i remux to the external drive again. That way it is much quicker than from and to the same drive. I had one 16 Gb file which took about 19 minutes total.

I now even do the first and second step at the same time (or the second and the third step) because the 1st and 3rd dont use processor but much HDD and the 2nd step takes a lot of processor but much less HDD. That way it is even quicker !

shizzzon
12-24-08, 03:23 PM
Do me a favor.

Check one of those "SUPER made" mkv files and tell me what mediainfo says the vid stream is.

I'm gonna install the same codec pack I use on my 64bit machine and see if it makes it work.

Ronaldvg, ur method does seem to be the quickest and least confusing, but I'm still looking for an all-in-oner u know?

I'll be posting on how to convert to DTS. There may be a free way but I do know the way I do it requires Surcode DTS, everything else is freeware.

Give me a few more hrs so I can get back to my machines and tell ya how.

ronaldvg
12-24-08, 03:34 PM
Do me a favor.

Check one of those "SUPER made" mkv files and tell me what mediainfo says the vid stream is.

I'm gonna install the same codec pack I use on my 64bit machine and see if it makes it work.

Ronaldvg, ur method does seem to be the quickest and least confusing, but I'm still looking for an all-in-oner u know?

I'll be posting on how to convert to DTS. There may be a free way but I do know the way I do it requires Surcode DTS, everything else is freeware.

Give me a few more hrs so I can get back to my machines and tell ya how.

shizzzon, this is the outout from Mediainfo of a random file that works with my method. As you can see, there is NO Audio track anymore:

General
Count : 214
Count of stream of this kind : 1
Kind of stream : General
StreamKindID : 0
Count of video streams : 1
Video_Format_List : VC-1
Video_Format_WithHint_List : VC-1 (Microsoft)
Codecs Video : VC-1
Complete name : erased by me
Folder name : E:\Video
File name : erased by myself
File extension : mkv
Format : Matroska
Format : Matroska
Format/Url : http://packs.matroska.org/
Format/Extensions : mkv mka mks
Codec : Matroska
Codec : Matroska
Codec/Url : http://packs.matroska.org/
Codec/Extensions : mkv mka mks
File size : 7949637025
File size : 7.40 GiB
File size : 7 GiB
File size : 7.4 GiB
File size : 7.40 GiB
File size : 7.404 GiB
Duration : 6746501.000
Duration : 1h 52mn
Duration : 1h 52mn 26s 501ms
Duration : 1h 52mn
Duration : 01:52:26.501
Overal bit rate : 9426678
Overal bit rate : 9427 Kbps
Title : erased by me
Movie name : erased by me
File creation date : UTC 2008-12-24 21:27:02.354
File last modification date : UTC 2008-12-24 21:29:47.848
Writing application : SUPER(C)
Writing library : SUPER(C)

Video
Count : 119
Count of stream of this kind : 1
Kind of stream : Video
StreamKindID : 0
ID : 1
UniqueID : 1
Format : VC-1
Codec ID : WVC1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Codec : WVC1
Codec : VC-1
Codec/Family : VC-1
Codec/Info : Microsoft
Codec/CC : WVC1
Width : 1920
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 800
Height : 800 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.400
Display aspect ratio : 2.400
Resolution : 24
Resolution : 24 bits

ronaldvg
12-24-08, 03:42 PM
Do me a favor.

Check one of those "SUPER made" mkv files and tell me what mediainfo says the vid stream is.

I'm gonna install the same codec pack I use on my 64bit machine and see if it makes it work.

Ronaldvg, ur method does seem to be the quickest and least confusing, but I'm still looking for an all-in-oner u know?

I'll be posting on how to convert to DTS. There may be a free way but I do know the way I do it requires Surcode DTS, everything else is freeware.

Give me a few more hrs so I can get back to my machines and tell ya how.

Regarding the all-in-oner: I also want this, but only way I could get it in one pass is with SUPER doing the video stream and at the same time convert the audio to AC3, but then all my center audio goes to the right front speaker.

On the other hand, Xvid4PSP will not do it in one pass either because of the problem with the Video stream not being able to stream copy it, so then I combined the two. SUPER for the Video and XV4P for the Audio. Then you need to remux them. I have tried 20+ converters, being freeware or commercial trials, but with not a single one this works properly or it takes forever so I did not wait on it to finish. Strange that the possibility is there but that no single program is able to do it properly.

I can live with the way I can convert my files now, because it is fairly quick and the two programs used remember their settings, so converting is a no-brainer after I did it three times. Also the videostream remains unchanged and I cannot hear any difference in Audio separation or quality after converting it to AC3, provided you put it on 640k.

lloydi200182
12-24-08, 04:16 PM
Hi I purchased one of these yesterday and I am running the new firmware, I am finding that quite a few of the MKV files I have with DTS have no audio, I have it connected to my DTS receiver with optical and many files play fine but some im finding just have nothing, the receiver will be displaying the digital input sign but when I play the file it dissapears and I have no sound, anybody else finding this?

Another quick question I have is how do I get my files to display DVD cover art I have a mixture of MKV and ISO files

shizzzon
12-24-08, 04:20 PM
You have to enable digital out in the device itself.

By default, it's set to stereo out.

jec37
12-24-08, 04:24 PM
Concerning the new firmware, have people noticed that the player will now attempt to play back blueray .iso rips (is this a new feature?) The problem seems to be sever stuttering on about two third of bluerays however, which is only completely removed if you extract the individual m2ts files .... I wonder why? Does playback from .iso incur extra processing overhead for the Sigma chip perhaps, causing the stuttering? Playback of every extracted m2ts file I've tried (10 so far) is perfect however, which is pretty remarkable, though I'd prefer to leave the files in their blueray iso containers if there is some way of stopping the stuttering...

lloydi200182
12-24-08, 04:27 PM
You have to enable digital out in the device itself.

By default, it's set to stereo out.

it is set to digital, hence why some files work fine, i just cannot understand why others produce no sound though :confused:

errivera
12-24-08, 04:41 PM
Concerning the new firmware, have people noticed that the player will now attempt to play back blueray .iso rips (is this a new feature?) The problem seems to be sever stuttering on about two third of bluerays however, which is only completely removed if you extract the individual m2ts files .... I wonder why? Does playback from .iso incur extra processing overhead for the Sigma chip perhaps, causing the stuttering? Playback of every extracted m2ts file I've tried (10 so far) is perfect however, which is pretty remarkable, though I'd prefer to leave the files in their blueray iso containers if there is some way of stopping the stuttering...


All of my files are in the iso format. Almost all of them play fine (except for the lack of menu support) but there are some that have stuttering. 102 Dalmations has severe stuttering problems, especially at the beginning. Once it gets started there are sporadic instances where this occurs.

reecycup
12-24-08, 05:05 PM
All of my files are in the iso format. Almost all of them play fine (except for the lack of menu support) but there are some that have stuttering. 102 Dalmations has severe stuttering problems, especially at the beginning. Once it gets started there are sporadic instances where this occurs.
are there still two angles in the dvd file?

tracker33
12-24-08, 05:09 PM
I followed jhue's steps on mounting the firmware image on a Linux box. The config files under /conf_src seem to imply that the units are used on a network at the factory (possibly for streaming video for testing or updating the software).

Best I can tell, they connect to a DLink DSM-320 or 520, based on the descriptions in the config files.

Anyone know of anyone working on a "homebrew" firmware yet?

Any Linux gurus out there that can look at the firmware image further and tell if any drivers are included for any NIC(s)? I couldn't find any kernel modules that looked like they were for a network card, so either a) they were removed before the firmware was released or b) I don't know what I'm looking for. I consider either option as equally likely.

Given that the WD TVs have two USB ports, I don't think it would be a far stretch to add a kernel module for a common USB NIC and gain network access (it already has a telnet daemon on it).

Finally, has anyone opened their WD TV up and taken pictures yet? I would but I'm enjoying watching all my movies on this wonderful piece of hardware too much to risk destroying it until I can get my hands on a backup unit. I'd be interested to see if there were any serial connectors that a console could be wired up to.

/conf_src/config_factory_default
-------------------------------

LAN_TYPE='d'
LAN_TYPE_WIRELESS='d'
IP2='192.168.0.88'
NETMASK2='255.255.255.0'
GATEWAY='0'
GATEWAY2='192.168.0.1'
SET_DNS_SRV='a'
LANDNS='192.168.0.1'
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DMA_ENABLE_SCREENSAVER='1'
DMA_SCREENSAVER='5'
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DMA_MEDIA_SERVER=''
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FILENAME='0'
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FWUDSERVER='ftp.dlink.com/medialounge/DSM750'
FWUDVERINFOFILE='DSM750-VerInfo.txt'
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DMA_BROWSEMODE='1'
PRESET_URL_0=''
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PRESET_URL_3=''
PRESET_URL_4=''
PRESET_URL_5=''
PRESET_URL_6=''
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MCX_AUTO_STARTUP='n'
MCX_GREEN_BTN='y'
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MASS_PRODUCT='0'
CONFIG_BGM_PLAYMODE='1'
CONFIG_SCAN_MODE='8'
CONFIG_TV_SCAN='32'
CONFIG_DMA_ENABLE_PAL='0'
VIDEO_OUT='COMPOSITE'
VIDEO_OUT_RESOLUTION='480i'
VIDEO_PIP='1'
MANUFACTURER='D-Link Systems, Inc'
MANUFACTURER_URL='http://www.dlink.com'
MODEL_NUMBER='150'
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SLIDESHOW_SHUFFLE='0'
DMA_CONTENT_AGGREGATION='1'
PHOTO_SLIDESHOW_EFFECT='0'
CONFIG_PHOTO_PLAYMODE='1'
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a4tq
12-24-08, 05:16 PM
Photos of the board can be found here:

http://maddhat.com/

gamblertje
12-24-08, 05:21 PM
Gamblertje: I use one external drive (esata) where the source media is located and then SUPER and XVID do their thing to my internal drive. Then i remux to the external drive again. That way it is much quicker than from and to the same drive. I had one 16 Gb file which took about 19 minutes total.

I now even do the first and second step at the same time (or the second and the third step) because the 1st and 3rd dont use processor but much HDD and the 2nd step takes a lot of processor but much less HDD. That way it is even quicker !

That's a good idea RONALD, I will do that.
I have the method working, now I'm gonna check for the quicker way like you told. Thanks.

The only thing that can beat it at this time, is firmware-support for the WMA codec. Let's hope so and save us some time.

Merry Christmas everybody.

gamblertje
12-24-08, 05:29 PM
OK guys, how are you doing this?

I found out that the 64bit version of XP does not support Super so i installed it on a 32bit Winxp pc.

I import file xxxxxxx.wmv, container - mkv, codec H.264\AVC
I then disable audio and hit encode.

It then makes a file called xxxxxxx.wmv.mkv.

I checked with mediainfo and it says it's still VC-1(WMV3)

TSMuxer will not import this file because of this error...

So, what are you guys doing different because somethign is being left out...

Do i need any codecs installed on this 32bit machine because i dont have any.


SHIZZZON: Did you STREAM the MKV file in Super ?
By disabling the audio, there is no audio in the new MKV file.
It stays VC-1, thats correct.
When using TSMUXER in xvid4psp, you can select the MKV file and the audio-file(AC3) and mux them into TS.

Maybe you used the "old" file (wmv) instead of the new MKV file to mux ??
XVID4PSP gives an error if you use WMV....

ronaldvg
12-24-08, 05:39 PM
That's a good idea RONALD, I will do that.
I have the method working, now I'm gonna check for the quicker way like you told. Thanks.

The only thing that can beat it at this time, is firmware-support for the WMA codec. Let's hope so and save us some time.

Merry Christmas everybody.

Gamblertje, I agree with you (alweer ;-) ), but there must be some reason that they did not work it into the new firmware (maybe licensing issues or lack of support from MS to decode it well ?). WD is sure to know about the audio problem as every WMVHD file I have here is using the same audio codec.

As it took WD some 5 weeks from introduction to get a new firmware to us, we cannot expect them to have a firmware ready very quickly. They need to test every new firmware that they put on their site extensively, because when they missed something the device could get a very bad reputation.

Look at the AVG virusscanner mishap a few weeks ago. A lot of people will never use AVG virusscanner again because of the mistake they made and corrected in 4 hours time. Damage is done, so I really don't expect WD to take a risk like that just to make WMVHD files more easy to play in a hurry.

As it is, this device plays every file I throw at it (and I have many) so I think it is very good. Having said that, I realise that it takes some effort to play some files, but that was and IS also the case with every other player out there and they cost a lot more than this little gizmo.

shizzzon
12-24-08, 05:52 PM
Excuse my bluntness but I've been video editing now for 9 yrs and repairing all pcs for 11yrs.

Point being, please don't view me as a noobie. I've been on my phone surfing this site all day helpin out this thread, uknow?

Sorry but I got a headache! Whereas I am fluent with special requirements of video creation, this wmvhd is ridiculous.

When u know how to do something then run into this problem and it sets me back like I've never done stuff like this before... Brainstorming for answers and gettin nowhere.

I'm almost home. It made a file.wmv.mkv file which did not import... Probably because I have no codecs installed.

If it still doesn't work afterwards, I'm gonna find a new method obviously.

I'm still gonna be posting the DTS conversion within the hour :). At least I can do that, lol

ronaldvg
12-24-08, 06:00 PM
Excuse my bluntness but I've been video editing now for 9 yrs and repairing all pcs for 11yrs.

Point being, please don't view me as a noobie. I've been on my phone surfing this site all day helpin out this thread, uknow?

Sorry but I got a headache! Whereas I am fluent with special requirements of video creation, this wmvhd is ridiculous.

When u know how to do something then run into this problem and it sets me back like I've never done stuff like this before... Brainstorming for answers and gettin nowhere.

I'm almost home. It made a file.wmv.mkv file which did not import... Probably because I have no codecs installed.

If it still doesn't work afterwards, I'm gonna find a new method obviously.

I'm still gonna be posting the DTS conversion within the hour :). At least I can do that, lol

Hi shizzzon, no one is calling you a noob or anything. For your info: I think that your input is probably the most important in this whole thread. Instead of blabbering what the WD does not do, you try to find its limits and work with that.

What I only try to do is help you with my method, that seems to work for more people, just not you.

And I have been repairing PC's and setting up big networks for more than 20 years now, but I only am into this codec stuff for about 5 weeks. Just saying that because every day I learn more and that it does not depend on how long you are doing something.

shizzzon
12-24-08, 06:16 PM
How to convert Audio, also WMV-HD audio to DTS.

First, you mux demux the audio track out of your media file.

ronaldvg has provided a very nice and quick way of using XVID4PSP in doing this. You will need to demux to .WAV format.

After this, you will need some software to do DTS conversion.

Surcode DVD-DTS encoder -249.00
EAC3to- free
EAC3toGUI - free

First-
Demux audio into .WAV with xvid4psp

Now, open EAC3toGUI and import this new .wav file

In the destination row, choose a filename and use extension .dts

Now, the DTS section on the main window will be unlocked.

For typical use, choose 1536 for high quality DTS and leave everything else the way it is and hit convert, it will demux all 6 channels from the .wav file and convert them all to .dts into 1 file that you can use tsmuxer for to remux them back with any compatible video file.

It's very easy. that's good news.

I did have problems before when first using it bout 6 months ago but nothing bad so it should be straight forward.

paris_tn
12-24-08, 06:30 PM
I myself love usenet. Also I'll make it clear you would only use usenet to download free movies. Being as you said netflix not sure you want to pay or download for free. Usenet is great and unlike torrents you download full speed and you don't have to upload anything back. Here is the severe I use. I've never had an issue with them yet always works great.

http://www.news.astraweb.com/specials/kleverig-11.html

Thanks and i am reading about astraweb. Thanks again.

taz420
12-24-08, 06:41 PM
two things....

first...
could they make the reset button a little smaller and put it somewhere not as noticable on the next box? :)

second...
the release notes say "Added disk volume name to folder navigation in list mode" but I'm not seeing that. Does anyone else see it? Is there a limit to how long the name can be? One thumb drive is called "TAZ6gig" and that doesn't show either.
or am I wrong in thinking it's the name of the drive that will display along with USB1/2?

ok...maybe a third thing...
Thanks for the support and Happy Holidays everyone!!

ronaldvg
12-24-08, 07:26 PM
How to convert Audio, also WMV-HD audio to DTS.

First, you mux demux the audio track out of your media file.

ronaldvg has provided a very nice and quick way of using XVID4PSP in doing this. You will need to demux to .WAV format.

After this, you will need some software to do DTS conversion.

Surcode DVD-DTS encoder -249.00
EAC3to- free
EAC3toGUI - free

First-
Demux audio into .WAV with xvid4psp

Now, open EAC3toGUI and import this new .wav file

In the destination row, choose a filename and use extension .dts

Now, the DTS section on the main window will be unlocked.

For typical use, choose 1536 for high quality DTS and leave everything else the way it is and hit convert, it will demux all 6 channels from the .wav file and convert them all to .dts into 1 file that you can use tsmuxer for to remux them back with any compatible video file.

It's very easy. that's good news.

I did have problems before when first using it bout 6 months ago but nothing bad so it should be straight forward.

Hi shizzzon, thanks for sharing. I just did the conversion and the mux and when I tried to add the stream to my existing TS file with the AC3 in it, it got me an error when remuxing saying the streams are out of sync. Then it stopped. Then I tried the same, but first removing the AC3 stream and that worked.

Few issues: the eac3togui messed up the command in the command windows. Thankfully it left the command window open so I could easily make the necessary adjustments manually. I think this has got to do with my keyboard settings (Dutch with US layout) because it goes wrong after the quotes.

Then it took about 40 minutes to encode the DTS file. Is this normal ? The conversion to AC3 only takes me about 1,5 minutes with the same source.

And third: the resulting DTS file is 1,5 Gb ! That is very big. Is that also normal ?

Asside the issues, it works fine so thanks again.

shizzzon
12-24-08, 07:42 PM
DTS is large yes, at 1536, it's high quality DTS.

You can use the half bitrate value they list to cut the file size in half. See if it has any audible difference.

The time it takes.... i havent used it for a full length movie.. but for a 1min 43sec clip, it only took 7 seconds on this pc.

2hrs=7200sec, 1min 43sec= 103sec
7200\ 103 = ~70
70 x 7 = 490 = 8min 10 sec.

It should only take me just over 8 min on my machine but i've not done full length movie yet.

I installed the codec pack and reran Super and Still no go...

Keeps saying unsupported format.

I'll take screen shots soon so i can show u exactly what it looks like.

maybe tomorrow though.

ruijorge.tinder
12-24-08, 08:00 PM
Hi,

Has anyone noticed that after muxing an .avi or .mkv file with a subtitle(tried .srt,.ass,.ssa) file using mkvmerge, in the last seconds the substitles don't show up? Maybe the last 7/8 seconds or a bit more. Very strange. I've already checked this with more than one movie and I've also checked the subtitles files.
Maybe something that I have done wrong in mkvmerge or a WD TV problem?

Any input about this?
Thanks.

js4fn
12-24-08, 08:02 PM
Is there a way to revert back from the firmware update ?

I have some movies that played perfect before that are now pixelated

all my movies played fine before update

dhnjp1
12-24-08, 08:05 PM
I tried playing 12 1080p trailers (.mov), and all worked perfectly except these two:

(picture breaks up):
http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/terminatorsalvation/terminatorsalvation-tlr1_h1080p.mov

(picture okay, no sound):
http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/terminatorsalvation/terminatorsalvation-tlr2_h1080p.mov

The only difference is these have 6-channel AAC audio, and the others only had 2-channel. Any easy conversion method to get these to play?

--Dan

ronaldvg
12-24-08, 08:12 PM
For anybody that is interested in getting the sound in the WMVHD files converted to AC3 (see post #2073) I wanted to let you know that both SUPER and XVID4PSP can do batch conversions, so extract the audio and videostream of all your WMV files in one go.

In Super just keep adding the WMV files and at the end start Encoding. In XVID4PSP open the WMV file and press Save instead of Encode. After doing this with all files press the Encode button.

greenythebeast
12-24-08, 08:18 PM
Please HELP!

I'm from germany. After firmware-upgrade it is impossible to change between PAL and NTSC Video-Mode. Could you confirme this bug?

Thanks

Stiptec

I'm also having this problem. Can anyone else confirm it?

Also, I'm having trouble playing a file that is under the ref frames limit, has h.264 encoding and ac3 audio and yet it still wont play. What could be wrong? :(

puter
12-24-08, 08:32 PM
From release Notes...

“Added jump feature to the remote: While fast forwarding or reversing, if the “Next” or “Prev” buttons are pressed, video will jump 10 minutes in the respective direction“

This is very nice, instantaneous and not jumpy at all.
This is ok, but I'd prefer a goto/jump to menu that allows me to input where in the video I want to go to. I would use the up, down, left, right arrow buttons to increase or decrease the hour, minute, and second and click enter to jump to that time.

mabuk
12-24-08, 08:32 PM
I'm also having this problem. Can anyone else confirm it?
Confirmed. I am unable to change between PAL and NTSC with either firmware.
To prevent jerky conversion/playback of NTSC material on a PAL TV I simply set the output to 720p 60Hz to match the (NTSC) source material.

tman2
12-24-08, 09:19 PM
You cannot revert back to the previous firmware.

shizzzon
12-24-08, 09:52 PM
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn147/shizzzon/untitled.jpg

ronaldvg-

this is what it looks like when i'm ready to hit encode.

Then i open TsMuxer v1.8.8, hit add, select the outputted file which is always named- movie.wmv.MKV and i get Unsupported format or all tracks are not recognized.

Monkeyface66
12-24-08, 10:57 PM
Confirmed. I am unable to change between PAL and NTSC with either firmware.
To prevent jerky conversion/playback of NTSC material on a PAL TV I simply set the output to 720p 60Hz to match the (NTSC) source material.

The PAL/NTSC option is for the COMPOSITE connection, not HDMI.

----




I encountered a new problem today!

->> really short juddering/jittering/framedropping every 40 seconds using "1080p 24hz" output mode with 23,976fps .m2ts Files. (direct Blu-ray stream)

It is easily noticeable in the credits of a movie!


The reason: The WD TV outputs 24,000 fps whereas it should 23,976 fps!

Just calculate yourself:
40 seconds x 23,976 = 959,04 frames
40 seconds x 24,000 = 960,00 frames

The "missing" 1 frame causes the juddering!
So, the WD TV needs to output real 23,976 fps with 23,976 fps video files.


You really just have to watch the scrolling credits of a movie to notice it.
It happens in a ~40seconds cycle.


My LCD is supposed to have true 24p native playback support. (Sony 40w4000, equivalent to the 40W4100 US model)

dhnjp1
12-24-08, 11:42 PM
I tried playing 12 1080p trailers (.mov), and all worked perfectly except these two:

(picture breaks up):
http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/terminatorsalvation/terminatorsalvation-tlr1_h1080p.mov

(picture okay, no sound):
http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/terminatorsalvation/terminatorsalvation-tlr2_h1080p.mov

The only difference is these have 6-channel AAC audio, and the others only had 2-channel. Any easy conversion method to get these to play?Oops, the video is supposed to look like crap in the first file. :o At least it breaks up the same way on a pc, and the sound makes it seem like it's supposed to do that. So the WD plays the video fine on both files, but has trouble with the audio.

Here's my cheap & quick way to transcode the .mov (AAC) to an .mkv (AC3) without altering the video:

mencoder terminatorsalvation-tlr2_h1080p.mov -o TerminatorSalvation2-HDtrailer.mkv -of lavf -ovc copy -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=ac3:abitrate=384 -channels 6


--Dan

MyHD123
12-24-08, 11:42 PM
Hi WD TV Fans!
Can anyone comment if the new firmware update fixed the black level issue?

Thanks.

vash23
12-24-08, 11:46 PM
Hi, guys. I've finally pulled the trigger and bought myself a WDTV. It played a lot of the files I have, but it failed on a couple of videos. It says it's an unsupported format. This is what I got from media info for one of the files.

Writing application : mkvmerge v2.1.0 ('Another Place To Fall') built on Aug 19 2007 13:40:07
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L3.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Muxing mode : Container profile=Unknown@3.1
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 7mn
Bit rate : 976 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 1 500 Kbps
Width : 768 pixels
Height : 432 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 30.000 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.151
Writing library : x264 core 808891244Nov 2 2008
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=0:0:0 / analyse=0:0 / me=hex / subme=5 / psy_rd=0.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=4 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=abr / bitrate=1500 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.50 / qpmin=2 / qpmax=31 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:0.30

Audio
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 7mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz

Since I'm a super noob, I have no idea what the problem is with the file. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could help me on this. Thanks, and Merry Christmas all~!

jblack94530
12-24-08, 11:49 PM
How do I play the video files sequentially without pressing the >> ?

Hi SteveWD, can you add "CDG" file format support to the unit?
I have like 3000+ CDG files on my HD and would like to play them in WD TV Box.

NebrGuy
12-24-08, 11:52 PM
I've been trying to stay up on this thread, but you all post so quickly the pages just keep coming and coming. I don't think I've missed this anywhere and I hope someone is willing to give me some insight.

I bought this device a couple of weeks ago. I brought it home and connected it to my el cheapo insignia lcd tv. It worked flawlessly.

Tonight I hooked it to an LG lcd tv (32lc7d) and there is no sound. What the heck?

Both tvs were connected via the same hdmi cable. I can get ripped music to play on the tv, but movies don't play audio on the LG. Well, not exactly accurate. I used dvdshrink and made a copy of The Sentinel. AC3 2 channel french plays without problems. So does AC3 2 channel Spanish and english with commentary. AC-3 5.1 doesn't play on this tv, but it did on my insignia. (side question, ac-3 5.1 is dolby digital, not DTS...correct?)

DVDShrink saved the movie as a .vob file. I don't know if this is the best format, but it is what I did to back up my movies for my htpc and it is what I know how to use...something about old dogs and new tricks i think.

Any thoughts on why it would play on one tv and not the other or why cd audio would play but not dvd audio?

greenythebeast
12-25-08, 12:39 AM
Why does this video play correctly on the WD TV...

*** Video Track Parameters ***
- Video track format: H.264/MPEG-4 AVC
- Video stream size: Undefined
- FourCC: avc1
- Video track number(s): 0
- Video track bitrate (Kbps): 4120
- Frame rate (fps): 23.976
- Bitrate mode: Undefined
- Encoding profile: High@L3.1
- Resolution: Undefined
- Video width (Pixel number): 1280
- Video height (Pixel number): 528
- Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1:1
- Display aspect ratio: 80:33
- Chroma subsampling format: YUV420p
- TV standard: Undefined
- Interlacing: Progressive
- Video encoding library: x264 core 61 r957 7ce0f2c
- Additional Parameters:
CABAC: Yes
Reference Frames: 5
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) ratio: 0.267

...when this video doesn't play at all?
*** Video Track Parameters ***
- Video track format: H.264/MPEG-4 AVC
- Video stream size: Undefined
- FourCC: avc1
- Video track number(s): 0
- Video track bitrate (Kbps): 6528
- Frame rate (fps): 23.976
- Bitrate mode: Undefined
- Encoding profile: High@L3.1
- Resolution: Undefined
- Video width (Pixel number): 1280
- Video height (Pixel number): 720
- Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1:1
- Display aspect ratio: 16:9
- Chroma subsampling format: YUV420p
- TV standard: Undefined
- Interlacing: Progressive
- Video encoding library: x264 core 65 r1028 83baa7f
- Additional Parameters:
CABAC: Yes
Reference Frames: 5
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) ratio: 0.309

The audio on the bottom one works fine but the video won't show but the specs are very similar to the top are they not?

Riot Nrrrd™
12-25-08, 02:32 AM
Metacomment:

Wow, 2100+ posts already for a device that is crippled (i.e. no networking) compared to NMTs that play all the same file formats just as well and do have networking?

OK, so I know it's cheap, but it just seems weird to me ... especially on a site like AVS where people tend to value higher-end, more capable stuff over cheaper.

Signed,

A bemused eGreat EG-M31B NMT owner :)

BoschRock
12-25-08, 02:54 AM
Can someone answer a simple question for me? I'm super noob.

Can I hook up a SATA drive to this? (The one I took out of my 40GB PS3)

Please help, thanks! :)

dchavez
12-25-08, 03:19 AM
Metacomment:

Wow, 2100+ posts already for a device that is crippled (i.e. no networking) compared to NMTs that play all the same file formats just as well and do have networking?

OK, so I know it's cheap, but it just seems weird to me ... especially on a site like AVS where people tend to value higher-end, more capable stuff over cheaper.

Signed,

A bemused eGreat EG-M31B NMT owner :)

Not everyone wants or needs a network connection, so for us at this price, this box is more or less the ideal media center solution. Good luck with your high-end NMT though ;-)

DanDaMan069
12-25-08, 03:27 AM
Merry Christmas everyone! I have been following this thread for a couple of weeks now... very useful information and thank you to all that post your solutions and for those that are testing extensively and pushing this unit to its limits:)

I have at the moment around 250+ MKV files, and this unit has played every single one I have tried....and I have tried about 60-75%. So it plays the video perfectly, but the audio only works on about 40% of them... Every single MKV that has DTS audio plays perfectly, its the others that are hit and miss?? This is what I have done and has been working...

In the menu, I select the audio output to stereo.... and I have it connected with a Toslink cable to my Lifestyle... so even though I have stereo selected, 100% of my movies audio works perfectly through the digital toslink cable. And when I play a DTS file, at the start of the movie, it automatically switches to DIGITAL AUDIO (digital audio pops up on the screen for a second)....and when all non DTS movies are played, the pop up says "Channel 1 Audio"... in other words the audio stream in the MKV folder. So I still get 5.1 surround from all the files even though I have the ouput on Stereo..

Is this how most of you using Toslink and playing MKV's have it set up?? Once again, thanks again to this thread, it is full of wonderful information.The only problem I am having with video is playing the 1920X1080 MKV's... like Planet Earth and I am Legend... They play and the audio is fine, but the picture is pixelated?? Hopefully WD cn fix this.. I hve 1920X1080 WMV and they play perfectly:) I guess I will have to change them to .mts to have them play without stutter..

And yes, the 1080p 24 does make all my MKV files stutter.. Is there a way to fill the whole screen with MKV files that are 1280X720p for example.... I have tried changing the resolution playback and it still has big black bars on top and bottom... and when I use the zoom function... it zooms to much where the pic is not clear anymore..

Here are some pics I took of my player in action today in case anyone is interested in movie quality playback before purchasing...

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jetmak069/IMG_0148-1.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jetmak069/IMG_0155-1.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jetmak069/IMG_0158-1.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jetmak069/IMG_0162.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jetmak069/IMG_0160.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jetmak069/IMG_0164.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jetmak069/IMG_0167-1.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jetmak069/IMG_0168-1.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jetmak069/IMG_0185.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jetmak069/IMG_0195-1.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jetmak069/IMG_0200-1.jpg

bahoiz
12-25-08, 03:32 AM
@shizzzon
Why don't we use PopCorn MKV Audio Converter to convert DTS to AC3? Thanks.

perfecblue
12-25-08, 03:35 AM
Metacomment:

Wow, 2100+ posts already for a device that is crippled (i.e. no networking) compared to NMTs that play all the same file formats just as well and do have networking?

OK, so I know it's cheap, but it just seems weird to me ... especially on a site like AVS where people tend to value higher-end, more capable stuff over cheaper.

Signed,

A bemused eGreat EG-M31B NMT owner :)

Same thing as why do people buy Ferrari's when a Civic that comes at 1/10 of the cost would still do fine as a car?

Different needs for different people, it's not weird at all.

DanDaMan069
12-25-08, 03:40 AM
Metacomment:

Wow, 2100+ posts already for a device that is crippled (i.e. no networking) compared to NMTs that play all the same file formats just as well and do have networking?

OK, so I know it's cheap, but it just seems weird to me ... especially on a site like AVS where people tend to value higher-end, more capable stuff over cheaper.

Signed,

A bemused eGreat EG-M31B NMT owner :)

I have a Pixel Magic HD MediaBox that supports 1080p with 750GB internal Hard drive and 2 USB slaves...so you can have 3 hard drives hooked up to it at once, and it supports networking! I also have a Mediagate 350HD with wireless networking....

and I have to say this tiny....but inexpensive and powerful media player kicks ass!! I have 2 network enabled 1080p media players...and I NEVER use the networking options..LOL Some people just dont need networking ability... and if you dont, this machine is perfect for you!

My biggest reason for liking this player so much is portabilty and great picture for something so small! I can take this tiny player, and a ton of HD movies on my ipod, and take them over to a friends house or into my cars lcd screen... with both of the devices practically in my pocket..lol

and lets not forget this little $99 player has the same sigma chip as the all mighty but yet more expensive popcorn hour;)

errivera
12-25-08, 04:03 AM
are there still two angles in the dvd file?


I would imagine that there is, being that an iso file is basically an exact copy of the DVD (all other features appear to work well) but I don't know how I can check this. There is no real control or menu system that I know of that would allow me to check different angles.

Any ideas?

frankyH
12-25-08, 04:15 AM
First of all i want to thank all the people around here for all their input. ( shizzzon and ronaldvg).

@ronaldvg: I get the same screen as shizzzon posted in #2170. When i look in the folder after encoding the *wmv file, I do NOT see a file with the extension *.MKV.
The only file i see is the one with the *.wmv extension.

After that i follow the steps as given by you earlier and start up the Xvid4PSP program.
At the end of this procedure i got myself a AC3 audiofile.
Then i start from the tools "TSMUXER" and try to select both files for muxing them into a TS file, and at this point i get stucked... I see the AC3 file and can select it, but i cant see or select the WMV file without gettig an error.
I must say that i only tried this with one file sofar, during the hollydays i will try some more.

(sorry for my bad (steenkolen) english, i'm not a native english speaker

gamblertje
12-25-08, 04:21 AM
Excuse my bluntness but I've been video editing now for 9 yrs and repairing all pcs for 11yrs.

Point being, please don't view me as a noobie. I've been on my phone surfing this site all day helpin out this thread, uknow?

Sorry but I got a headache! Whereas I am fluent with special requirements of video creation, this wmvhd is ridiculous.

When u know how to do something then run into this problem and it sets me back like I've never done stuff like this before... Brainstorming for answers and gettin nowhere.

I'm almost home. It made a file.wmv.mkv file which did not import... Probably because I have no codecs installed.

If it still doesn't work afterwards, I'm gonna find a new method obviously.

I'm still gonna be posting the DTS conversion within the hour :). At least I can do that, lol

Hey SHIZZZ; All for one and one for all !!

RONALD; I still don't understand why SUPER cannot decode the WMA into AC3.. It can stream WMV into MKV with audio disabled, but it can't stream the WMV into MKV together with decoding the WMA into AC3....So we have "the all in one". I don't understand this because the option is there in SUPER to check the AC3 with the streaming MKV, but it gives an error. It's making me nuts so that was it for this Christmasday.

DanDaMan069
12-25-08, 04:29 AM
I've been trying to stay up on this thread, but you all post so quickly the pages just keep coming and coming. I don't think I've missed this anywhere and I hope someone is willing to give me some insight.

I bought this device a couple of weeks ago. I brought it home and connected it to my el cheapo insignia lcd tv. It worked flawlessly.

Tonight I hooked it to an LG lcd tv (32lc7d) and there is no sound. What the heck?

Both tvs were connected via the same hdmi cable. I can get ripped music to play on the tv, but movies don't play audio on the LG. Well, not exactly accurate. I used dvdshrink and made a copy of The Sentinel. AC3 2 channel french plays without problems. So does AC3 2 channel Spanish and english with commentary. AC-3 5.1 doesn't play on this tv, but it did on my insignia. (side question, ac-3 5.1 is dolby digital, not DTS...correct?)

DVDShrink saved the movie as a .vob file. I don't know if this is the best format, but it is what I did to back up my movies for my htpc and it is what I know how to use...something about old dogs and new tricks i think.

Any thoughts on why it would play on one tv and not the other or why cd audio would play but not dvd audio?

your LG may not support 5.1 audio? I looked through my manual for my Samsung, and it says I had to activate the TRS (true surround) in order to hear audio coming from 5.1 source... so either you have to mess with some options in your tv settings...or it doesnt support 5.1 audio. also you can try changing your setting on your WD player to stereo audio output...instead of digital...

it is set to digital, hence why some files work fine, i just cannot understand why others produce no sound though :confused:

when i have the WD set to digital audio ouput, ONLY my MKV's with DTS play on my Bose. (i am connected with a toslink fiber optic cable) but if I set it to STEREO audio output...ALL of my 250+ MKV's audio plays fine, including the DTS files... it automatically switches to Digital when I play DTS file, when it is not DTS.... it plays audio and it pops up with Channel 1 audio...which is telling me it is reading the audio channel in the MKV container... and it still plays 5.1... this is the only way that i have found to play 100% of my MKV files...

if somebody else has a solution( besides converting all audio) please let us know:)

what7fr
12-25-08, 04:31 AM
So what are you waiting for ?

I have bought 6 WD TV boxes and i knew there was some bugs or unsuppoted audio/vidz codec !!!

Nevermind, this boXXXXX is a sweet baby.

At this time, Do not compare this BoXoR to an NMT x5 more expensive !!!

Keep going hard working WD coders and greetz to SCOTTWD (give us some news, you are not dead i hope :)

DanDaMan069
12-25-08, 05:51 AM
it is not wireless, it has no fan and very unstable. whats the buzz around ?

what are you talking about?? the WD media player?? No its not wireless... you can go buy another player that has the same video chip and pay 3-4 times as much for your precious wireless... it has no moving parts, why does it need a fan??? its SST... it is barely warm on or off...not even close to hot... my damn cable box is 10 times hotter! Unstable?? dont know what you have been reading?? I have not had a single problem with mine... no freeze ups, no hard drive detection or ejection problems, and it is not slow to respond to remote as some have mentioned......

the only thing it doesnt do that i want it too, is recognize thumbnails in MKV containers... once it does this (hopefully with the next firmware update) it will be the perfect machine....for my needs..lol

kaitokid
12-25-08, 06:24 AM
I think now the only one annoying thing is the SRT delay problem, I hope that this problem can be solved in the next firmware, and the next firmware can be released as soon as possible :)

gamblertje
12-25-08, 06:55 AM
RONALD AND SHIZZZON, check this site and tool. Makes a MKV with AC3 from WMV in 1 step, so it is possible. Only this tool takes forever...
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=11991

milomanorg
12-25-08, 08:07 AM
RONALD AND SHIZZZON, check this site and tool. Makes a MKV with AC3 from WMV in 1 step, so it is possible. Only this tool takes forever...
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=11991
Looks promissing, but all kind of errors like "Interface not supported"
15:05:24 Filters connected to graphs
15:05:24 Obtained Monikers
15:05:24 Haali Matroska Muxer found.
15:05:24 MONOGRAM AC3 Encoder registration failed
15:05:24 Filter MONOGRAM AC3 Encoder not found.
15:05:24 MatrixMixer registration failed
15:05:24 Filter MatrixMixer not found.
15:05:24 WMAudio Decoder DMO found.

Tried the other way (using super and xvid4psp), but audio is out of sync, and it looks like the sound of the center speaker is comming from the right speaker, which might be explained by this (from your topic):
A/52B AC3 channel order: 1-L 2-C 3-R 4-SL 5-SR 6-LFE
Microsofts WAVE_FORMAT_PCM channel order: 1-L 2-R 3-C 4-LFE 5-SL 6-SR

3dxr
12-25-08, 08:26 AM
Can someone answer a simple question for me? I'm super noob.

Can I hook up a SATA drive to this? (The one I took out of my 40GB PS3)

Please help, thanks! :)


USB SATA encosure are masstorage this device
is supporting masstorage devices

Simple ansver : yes you can attach SATA drive but not directly but with USB-SATA enclosure

Spookstah
12-25-08, 08:36 AM
I`ve asked my brother to look into the code, because i`m curious by nature ;)
And he could mount it just fine, its based on CramFS filesystem, mips64.
(mount -t cramfs -o loop wdtv.bin -o offset=32 /mnt)

It seems a lot of "code" is used from other developers like tvix and dlink, i assume this "code" is falling under gpl.

Flac seems to be version 8.2, while there is already a version 9.0, maybe when i have the guts i`ll try to build my own fw with this new version.

ronaldvg
12-25-08, 08:53 AM
shizzzon, that printsreen is exactly the same as what I have just before hitting the Encode button. Very strange. Also I use the same version of SUPER as you do.

MR_FATE
12-25-08, 08:55 AM
Is there a way to revert back from the firmware update ?

I have some movies that played perfect before that are now pixelated

all my movies played fine before update

No, you cannot go back at this time.

ronaldvg
12-25-08, 08:56 AM
Gamblertje, I tried the program in the link you send through (wmvconverter) but with that one I do not have any sound on my surround speakers, so I discarded it after one test.

MR_FATE
12-25-08, 08:56 AM
Hi WD TV Fans!
Can anyone comment if the new firmware update fixed the black level issue?

Thanks.

The new firmware did not change the black levels.

3dxr
12-25-08, 08:57 AM
Metacomment:

Wow, 2100+ posts already for a device that is crippled (i.e. no networking) compared to NMTs that play all the same file formats just as well and do have networking?

OK, so I know it's cheap, but it just seems weird to me ... especially on a site like AVS where people tend to value higher-end, more capable stuff over cheaper.

Signed,

A bemused eGreat EG-M31B NMT owner :)

bemused from e"Great" :) nice to hear from you

What are you doing here ? looking for help or inspirations howto do things better :)?

or you are trying find cheapest open source device with better support :)

many posts ? read carefully - they are talking about remuxing not about firmware bugs
like in other forums - problem have only users who are not reading manual upgrading from HDD or with NTFSfs

PS: network was not priority for WDC becouse WDC is Storage company and WDTV je player/accessory for harddrives not media tank/NAS device its same as situation like ...
Want from..
iphone fullfeatures without jailbreak firmware
apple is able to do but bussines are services not HW

eGreat is slow and have noisy cooler WDTV is small fanless device

eGreat have mp3 speedshifting bug
try stream GMC 3warp point and network you will be cold in minute :)
its 2.5x times bigger and expensive

where are sources for eGreat are you able fix somethink inside nooope :-P
I hope soon we will have 2 new unofficial firmwares
for USBnet support HTTP streaming from PC
shoutcast sound support
better languages and characters encoding
multi dir play list capability
on device play list generator copy/delete/rename functions

thats all what I really need
probably mp3/music play control without video LCDpanel on USB port for example

MR_FATE
12-25-08, 09:00 AM
.. Is there a way to fill the whole screen with MKV files that are 1280X720p for example.... I have tried changing the resolution playback and it still has big black bars on top and bottom... and when I use the zoom function... it zooms to much where the pic is not clear anymore..


Even though a movie may be set to the 720p resolution, the aspect ratio of the movie may be different. This is why on some movies whether they be in 720p or 1080p there will still be black bars at the top and bottom.

There is no industry standard for aspect ratio so movies can go from little tiny black bars to big ones and often to no black bars at all on the top and bottom. There is nothing wrong with your WD box.

ronaldvg
12-25-08, 09:10 AM
First of all i want to thank all the people around here for all their input. ( shizzzon and ronaldvg).

@ronaldvg: I get the same screen as shizzzon posted in #2170. When i look in the folder after encoding the *wmv file, I do NOT see a file with the extension *.MKV.
The only file i see is the one with the *.wmv extension.

After that i follow the steps as given by you earlier and start up the Xvid4PSP program.
At the end of this procedure i got myself a AC3 audiofile.
Then i start from the tools "TSMUXER" and try to select both files for muxing them into a TS file, and at this point i get stucked... I see the AC3 file and can select it, but i cant see or select the WMV file without gettig an error.
I must say that i only tried this with one file sofar, during the hollydays i will try some more.

(sorry for my bad (steenkolen) english, i'm not a native english speaker

franky (and maybe shizzon): maybe you already saw this, but I will say it anyway. By default SUPER puts the files somewhere under its own subdir. I changed that by pressing CTRL+T and then choosing my own location. That is about the only thing I did after installing SUPER.

I came accross this because I loaded up an empty image of XP 32 bit in VMware and installing just SUPER, no other programs. Even MKV files made with that I can use in the TSmuxer. I did not try the XVID4PSP program because you reported that works fine.

vash23
12-25-08, 09:14 AM
Merry Christmas everyone!
I'm writing to see if anyone can help me. The WDTV says the following video is an unsupported format, and I was wondering what the problem is. Is there a way to convert it quickly? Please help this noob out! lol.

Writing application : mkvmerge v2.1.0 ('Another Place To Fall') built on Aug 19 2007 13:40:07
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L3.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Muxing mode : Container profile=Unknown@3.1
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 7mn
Bit rate : 976 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 1 500 Kbps
Width : 768 pixels
Height : 432 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 30.000 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.151
Writing library : x264 core 808891244Nov 2 2008
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=0:0:0 / analyse=0:0 / me=hex / subme=5 / psy_rd=0.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=4 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=abr / bitrate=1500 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.50 / qpmin=2 / qpmax=31 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:0.30

Audio
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 7mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz

ernie12121
12-25-08, 09:16 AM
@Ronaldvg Thanks for the tutorial on how to demux a wmv file to a ts file so that audio will work (i think post 2073) I have followed your exact instructions and have now converted about 6 movies without problems (hartelijk dank)

ronaldvg
12-25-08, 09:22 AM
@Ronaldvg Thanks for the tutorial on how to demux a wmv file to a ts file so that audio will work (i think post 2073) I have followed your exact instructions and have now converted about 6 movies without problems (hartelijk dank)

Good to hear that people are having succes with this. How long does it take average for you ? You saw my suggestion to do the muxing to-from another drive ? That speeds things up a lot.

shizzzon
12-25-08, 09:27 AM
@shizzzon
Why don't we use PopCorn MKV Audio Converter to convert DTS to AC3? Thanks.

You can we suggest it.

It's only for MKV files though.

shizzzon
12-25-08, 09:34 AM
FINALLY! I have good news on my part-

While i cant get TSMuxer to read the Super converted MKV, i AM able to get MKVMerge to and since it muxes everything to .mkv, it will retain the .mkv extension.

Also, that WMVConverter that someone posted above works fine for me. It is able to import into TSMuxer fine so now i have both ways.

That's my xmas present, :) thanks.

Great, now since i'm past this brick wall, i can start doing more tests again.

ronaldvg
12-25-08, 09:43 AM
Great to hear that shizzon. I am now installing dotnet 3.0 on my XP image, so I will test the whole procedure on a very basic system with no codecs.

OzzieP
12-25-08, 09:43 AM
How many programs needed to go from a single .m2ts file to an .mkv file with subs & AC-3?

Can this be done with just TSMuxeR?

ronaldvg
12-25-08, 09:53 AM
OzzieP, that is depending on what the codecs are that are used in the M2TS file. If they are already OK for the WD, why bother to mux them into a MKV file ?

hzee
12-25-08, 10:13 AM
I have a Cavalry 2 Terabyte (NTSF) USB external connected to my unit. I have found that if I turn on the external unit first and wait until its lights settle down and the first light on the WD unit comes on and then turn on the WD, I do not get that message and all is well. Even with that messgae coming up, I just wait until it goes away and move on again with no problems.

Monkeyface66
12-25-08, 10:14 AM
A small issue:

In "1080p 24hz" mode, the WD TV really seems to output exactly 24,000 fps whereas it should output 23,976 fps when watching true 23,976 video files!
(.m2ts container)

This causes a short juddering every 40 seconds.


40 seconds x 23,976 = 959,04 frames
40 seconds x 24,000 = 960,00 frames

As you can see, 1 frame is "missing" that causes the judder.
Solution would be real 23,976 fps output.


Can someone please test this, too?
(You just have to watch the scrolling credits of a movie to notice the judder)

hzee
12-25-08, 10:16 AM
My previous reply was in response to the "storage cannot aggregate" question...should have ouoted it!

ronaldvg
12-25-08, 10:17 AM
I just finished my tests for what is needed to use the procedure for WMVHD to playable on WD and this is what I found:

XP 32 bit SP3
DotNet 3.0
Mediaplayer 11
SUPER
XVID4PSP

Thats it. With only those things installed, I was able to decode with SUPER to MKV, convert the Audio to AC3 and remux the two with TSmuxer.

jonkrav
12-25-08, 10:19 AM
Hey guys,

Just got this for christmas very excited, but im having major issues.

I connected it up with hdmi cable to tv, powered it on and screen is all fuzzy and green and its hard to make out the menus, also i had to keep switching to different hdmi thing via menu as when i powered it on tv wouldnt recognise it and switch to it automatically.

Im using a hdmi 1.3 cable is this wrong? I upgraded to latest firmware to see if that might help which was pretty hard trying to make out text and ive made sure in audio and video options its on hdmi. Another annoying thing is the optical cable wont fit into the optical slot have to try find a new cable!

Looking forward to this for christmas and this happens typical, please help, ive tried different hdmi cables to and slots but just looks green and distorted.


Update: I tried the standard cables not the hdmi and it works with that, but the hdmi its messing up with any ideas?

ronaldvg
12-25-08, 10:28 AM
If your cable is ok and the TV set also (try another device if you can) then the unit could be defective. You could also try the WD on another TV, for instance at the neighbours or something.

You could also try the composite output, just to see if that works.

If your optical cable is a TOS link then it will fit, just make sure it lines up ok (goes in the port a little) and then push it until it clicks. Sometimes requires some effort.

jonkrav
12-25-08, 10:31 AM
If your cable is ok and the TV set also (try another device if you can) then the unit could be defective. You could also try the WD on another TV, for instance at the neighbours or something.

If your optical cable is a TOS link then it will fit, just make sure it lines up ok (goes in the port a little) and then push it until it clicks. Sometimes requires some effort.

yeh dvd player is fine with it, and the unit works fine with composite cables its just the hdmi its dodgy.. also have http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fisual-Digital-Optical-Cable-Install/dp/B000WTM2PU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1230222726&sr=8-1 and wont fit into it for the optical cable but fits fine into dvd player, its to square for the wd hd tv connection

mvallevand
12-25-08, 10:36 AM
where are sources for eGreat are you able fix somethink inside nooope :-P
I hope soon we will have 2 new unofficial firmwares
for USBnet support HTTP streaming from PC
shoutcast sound support
better languages and characters encoding
multi dir play list capability
on device play list generator copy/delete/rename functions


Where do I find more information on these? I work on the mvpmc project and we have done some good stuff for the Hauppauge MVP and the NMT too (I wrote a GBPVR client) and I'd like to port it to a networked setup. I don't have a WDHD but I'd get one to work on this. I really like seeing that there might be microwindows support too since mvpmc was based on this.

Martin

ronaldvg
12-25-08, 10:36 AM
yeh dvd player is fine with it, and the unit works fine with composite cables its just the hdmi its dodgy.. also have http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fisual-Digital-Optical-Cable-Install/dp/B000WTM2PU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1230222726&sr=8-1 and wont fit into it for the optical cable but fits fine into dvd player, its to square for the wd hd tv connection

That optical cable should fit. If it doesn't then I guess the cable is not exactly the right size that it should be. I have used 4 different cables here and all fit... Or maybe you really have a strange WD unit, being that is also does not work with the HDMI.

RishM
12-25-08, 10:56 AM
While it is unlikely that the files are bad, it is possible the player update caused and issue with the way it is now parsing the files. Is it just the Dexter files that are doing it or are others suffering the same thing?

Another thought. Did you change the player video setting to 24hz? If so, change it back to auto and see if that does not resolve it.

One last suggestion would be to reset the box.

There are other files which were also 720p rips that have the exact same problem. The WDTV player setting is at auto.

I will try to narrow the problem down with various settings, but I would love to have revert back to the previous version of the firmware.

jonkrav
12-25-08, 10:59 AM
Tv isnt even detecting it now when i turn it on, think its defective can anyone confirm it supports hdmi 1.3 before i send it back?

Straightflush
12-25-08, 11:04 AM
Tv isnt even detecting it now when i turn it on, think its defective can anyone confirm it supports hdmi 1.3 before i send it back?

Yep, handles it with no problem. Have you tried unplugging the box physically and then plugging it back in?

If that doesn't work, you can press the reset button and try that.

In the first FW version I had a problem with it not recognizing the box if it had been off for a while. Supposed to be fixed in the FW update but I've not tried an extended period of nonuse yet.

wertyqa
12-25-08, 11:09 AM
For the price this thing is great. Only flaw that I can find is the lack of support for optical media thru usb. Since 90% of my backups are burned on DVDRs it is little hassle to copy movies to a usb hdd.

Have you guys come across a device that could make a ide (os sata) dvd burner apear as external hdd thru usb?

Since WD HD TV is based on the same chip that PopcornHour is, I think only thing holding the support for optical data right now is WD. Also a downgrade firmware would be nice. Or the release of firmware 1.0.

NebrGuy
12-25-08, 11:10 AM
[QUOTE=DanDaMan069;15377083]your LG may not support 5.1 audio? I looked through my manual for my Samsung, and it says I had to activate the TRS (true surround) in order to hear audio coming from 5.1 source... so either you have to mess with some options in your tv settings...or it doesnt support 5.1 audio. also you can try changing your setting on your WD player to stereo audio output...instead of digital...

QUOTE]

OK, so maybe this is becoming a stupid question and I apologize in advance. I've done a lot over the years with computers, just never really dealt with a/v other than point and click and it works. I looked at the trusurround settings. The manual for the LG states "SRS TruSurround XT Takes advantage of any multi-channel format without needing to add extra speakers or equipment." I followed the manual's instructions to apparently turn on srs trusurround xt, but to no avail.

I did just do a search on the web for SRS TruSurround XT and found this statement: "TruSurround XT is the second generation of SRS TruSurround. Building upon its patented predecessor, TruSurround XT solves the problem of playing 5.1 and 6.1 multichannel content over two speakers (or headphones). TruSurround XT accepts input from up to a seven channel (6.1) audio source and processing a two-channel output. When receiving multichannel content, TruSurround XT virtualizes the channels, creating "phantom" speakers that appear to extend all around the listener." This leads me to believe the LG sould be processing the audio coming from the WD unit.

I've looked through a thread on the LG 32lc7d and can't seem to find anything that discusses audio formats that it will accept and decode, so my next (this is the stupid question part) question is...is there a way to rip the dvd and reduce the audio to a format that might be accepted? I would connect this to the stereo but WD put a toslink audio connector and the stereo uses the rca type of digital input.

johnny13oi
12-25-08, 11:31 AM
I see that the WD TV also could be stood upright, would this allow for better release of heat? I am pretty sure it performs within it's spec but I am always paranoid about heat stuff. I just want this thing to last as long as possible.

MR_FATE
12-25-08, 11:36 AM
Yep, handles it with no problem. Have you tried unplugging the box physically and then plugging it back in?

If that doesn't work, you can press the reset button and try that.

In the first FW version I had a problem with it not recognizing the box if it had been off for a while. Supposed to be fixed in the FW update but I've not tried an extended period of nonuse yet.

WD unit is HDMI 1.2 not 1.3.

MR_FATE
12-25-08, 11:40 AM
I see that the WD TV also could be stood upright, would this allow for better release of heat? I am pretty sure it performs within it's spec but I am always paranoid about heat stuff. I just want this thing to last as long as possible.

The heat sink inside is facing the top of the case now, so if you turn it on its side thermal migration would not improve and could possibly degrade. Not to such a significant degree as to damage the unit. I would suggest leaving it in it's belly and not turning it on the side, but I do not think it will hurt it.

gamblertje
12-25-08, 11:43 AM
FINALLY! I have good news on my part-

While i cant get TSMuxer to read the Super converted MKV, i AM able to get MKVMerge to and since it muxes everything to .mkv, it will retain the .mkv extension.

Also, that WMVConverter that someone posted above works fine for me. It is able to import into TSMuxer fine so now i have both ways.

That's my xmas present, :) thanks.

Great, now since i'm past this brick wall, i can start doing more tests again.


SHIZZZ;
WMVCONVERTER was my little present (link...). It makes a WMV with 1 click MKV with AC3. But I did not use it myself because it took way too long.

How long does it take you with this tool ??

saitan
12-25-08, 12:18 PM
Hi!

I've just installed the new firmware.

The subtitles now work fine but I'm still watching not well syncronized
subtitles. It's like the subtiles start after the movie.

The test is with xvid files not subtitles inside mkv files.

Anyone may confirm it ?

Sorry for my english.

johnny13oi
12-25-08, 12:34 PM
The heat sink inside is facing the top of the case now, so if you turn it on its side thermal migration would not improve and could possibly degrade. Not to such a significant degree as to damage the unit. I would suggest leaving it in it's belly and not turning it on the side, but I do not think it will hurt it.

But there are no holes directly on top of the unit. Heat rises. So if the unit was stood upright, heat would have an easier pathway out of the unit through the holes that would be facing directly up. The hot air leaving out the top would then cause cooler air to come in through the bottom. It is true that the fins face upwards, but there is no airflow so I don't think it matters, air flows just as easily through the heat sink from the side or from the top (fins are spaced very far apart). And the heatsink is held on with a clip as well as pressed from the top of the case with some kind of rubber thing, which I assume is to help the heatsink stay on during transportation.

shizzzon
12-25-08, 12:36 PM
SHIZZZ;
WMVCONVERTER was my little present (link...). It makes a WMV with 1 click MKV with AC3. But I did not use it myself because it took way too long.

How long does it take you with this tool ??

I just did a test sample-

103MB 1min43sec

Elapsed time- 4 seconds

Seems pretty fast to me.

Note- make sure all the encoders\decoders\filters\mixers are present because if they are not, it will take longer.

Klaas1130
12-25-08, 12:38 PM
small question
i've read most of the forum so i hope this isn't asked before

If i play a 1080p file through composite on an old tv (Loewe), what will be the quality?

thx

p3rsil
12-25-08, 12:44 PM
I am a new user to this forum and I just decided to follow this great thread, because I've owned a WDTV for about 2 weeks and found some good and some bad. This morning, I realized there was a firmware update which is very cool and encouraging as for the future of the device.

The Good:

I have tested the new firmware myself and I can confirm some great work has been done, as not only now subtitles work inside of mkv, but some files in WMV9 (inside an AVI container) I had are now working. As for subtitles, however, I have to manually select them for every movie, they are not automatically applied. But the mere fact that I don't have to go through my whole library and extract every subtitle tracks myself is a relief.

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The Bad:

However, one thing that is still bugging me a lot, since I have and find a lot of files like that, is that, while OGG is supported for audio files, it still isn't supported inside audio/video files like AVI or MKV. Is it something I can be looking forward to in the future, because I hate converting audio that's already compressed into another compressed format, it takes both time and quality away. Not supporting OGM is one thing, and it's not a big deal, since it's just a container, but not supporting the audio compression Ogg Vorbis that's supposed to be, is.

What are your experiences with vorbis inside media files with the wdtv?

perfecblue
12-25-08, 12:52 PM
Hi!

The subtitles now work fine but I'm still watching not well syncronized
subtitles. It's like the subtiles start after the movie.

The test is with xvid files not subtitles inside mkv files.

Anyone may confirm it ?

Sorry for my english.

Yup, the subtitles are still somewhat delayed if it's an external subtitle file. If you use MKVmerge to mux the subtitle file into the MKV container, no delays.

OzzieP
12-25-08, 12:55 PM
OzzieP, that is depending on what the codecs are that are used in the M2TS file. If they are already OK for the WD, why bother to mux them into a MKV file ?

I am kinda new to putting my blu-ray movies to the WD. How many different codecs do these blu-ray movies have.

I thought that putting my m2ts files in an mkv container would take up less space and still provide the same video quality. My average m2ts file is about 28GB. If not then what is the purpose of putting things in an mkv container? :confused:

frankyH
12-25-08, 01:05 PM
franky (and maybe shizzon): maybe you already saw this, but I will say it anyway. By default SUPER puts the files somewhere under its own subdir. I changed that by pressing CTRL+T and then choosing my own location. That is about the only thing I did after installing SUPER.

I came accross this because I loaded up an empty image of XP 32 bit in VMware and installing just SUPER, no other programs. Even MKV files made with that I can use in the TSmuxer. I did not try the XVID4PSP program because you reported that works fine.

This did the trick!!!
only one thing..... the sound that should come out the centre speaker comes now out of the right front speaker ??

StuntDriverXL
12-25-08, 01:12 PM
It is nice to see people getting concerned that all the newbies want to use this device intsead of using their "elite" tvix, popcorn and other flyby night companies NMT. It just proves the point that if ScottWD plays his cards right that this thing and it's successor will put all those other companies out of business with their overpriced homebrew supported boxes.

comm cz
12-25-08, 01:30 PM
saitan: Same issue here, external subtitles ARE delayed like 0.5s :(

tko_gx
12-25-08, 01:35 PM
Hello, i have a little problem with DTS audio. I have a philips hts3357 i can't seem to get the audio working. I want to know if i can connect a Digital Fiber Optical (Toslink) to Digital Coaxial (S/PDIF) Converter from the WD HD TV Mediaplayer to the Home cinema , and get the DTS sound.

rockin_master
12-25-08, 01:36 PM
This thread is a trainwreck -Hey ozzie, which weighs more, a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers. The answer to that question will answer yours.

Stunt driver, the wdtv is not an nmt -comparing it to one is like comparing apples to oranges.

zgemboandislic
12-25-08, 01:51 PM
So, now that the firmware made this little device even better, we can start getting picky!

I have one little suggestion for the next firmware:

- When navigating through folders, lets say opening a folder then going one step back, the entire screen gradually goes black then shows the new contents.

My suggestion is to keep the blue background on when navigating, not black it out, it will be much less annoying and make the whole process smoother.

Does anyone agree here?

NebrGuy
12-25-08, 02:08 PM
I took a dvd and used the converter that came with the wd box. The audio is now working on the LG. It seems that the avi coming out of Media Converter is a bit grainy, where the .vob coming off of dvd shrink is better quality, but without the sound.

Anyone have suggestions that I can try to get a good quality video with the audio?

Appreciate the comments people are posting about this toy.

shizzzon
12-25-08, 02:16 PM
I hope this is allowed-

I am making a Word document that will consist of all kinds of quick and easy conversions to get your files playable on the WDTV media player.

I will be posting the link to it in my signature if that's allowed.

Anything that may be false or needs to be added such as subtitle information, let me know.

paris_tn
12-25-08, 02:21 PM
I hope this is allowed-

I am making a Word document that will consist of all kinds of quick and easy conversions to get your files playable on the WDTV media player.

I will be posting the link to it in my signature if that's allowed.

Anything that may be false or needs to be added such as subtitle information, let me know.

This will be great. Thanks for doing this.

bensons
12-25-08, 02:29 PM
Picked one up at Best Buy yesterday for $100. Impressed with the size and quality of the build. Remote works better than expected. Nice GUI. This device works great for us.

Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.

BoschRock
12-25-08, 03:03 PM
I hope this is allowed-

I am making a Word document that will consist of all kinds of quick and easy conversions to get your files playable on the WDTV media player.

I will be posting the link to it in my signature if that's allowed.

Anything that may be false or needs to be added such as subtitle information, let me know.

Sweeet!

saitan
12-25-08, 03:25 PM
Yup, the subtitles are still somewhat delayed if it's an external subtitle file. If you use MKVmerge to mux the subtitle file into the MKV container, no delays.


Hi!

I've done that, but I saw the same delay.
I'm using mkvmerge GUI. May you send me your configuration of mvkmerge.
I thought that I'm not using riht the program because I made five tests and all of them failed.

Again, sorry for my english and thanks.

ronaldvg
12-25-08, 03:32 PM
This did the trick!!!
only one thing..... the sound that should come out the centre speaker comes now out of the right front speaker ??

This is funny. I had that exact same problem when I did the AC3 conversion with SUPER. Xvid4PSP solved that for me. That makes me think that there is some settings involved in the programs that SUPER and XV4PSP use, but I have to investigate further. When we solve this, we should be able to do the conversion in one step. I am going to experiment and let you know.

wallace4793
12-25-08, 03:53 PM
Hi

Has anyone any new info on the new ref frame limitations? Some of myfiles work now that wer pixelated on the old fimware so im assuming thereare some improvements. Any plans shizzon?

John

proroc
12-25-08, 04:13 PM
Hey guys,

I know this has been repeated over and over but please confirm.

Problem: A 1080p DTS mkv file cannot play audio over an hdmi cable hooked directly to an lcd tv, but can if hooked to an audio receiver like the onkyo 606.
Solution: Convert DTS to AC3, problem solved?

Problem: Some 1080p mkv files have audio that studders.
Solution: Use TSmuxer to mux the .mkv file to a .m2ts file? Do you need the .meta file too? Can you leave all of the options default in tsmuxer when doing this conversion?

Thanks guys! WD HD TV is awesome!!!