Thursday Night Football on NFL Network HD
Denver Broncos @ Cleveland Browns
Live from Cleveland Browns Stadium, 8:15pm ET
1080i & DD(unknown it this time)

Bob Papa and Cris Collinsworth will have the call.

Game will be seen on KWGN in Denver and WUAB in Cleveland in addition to NFL Network.

Please include your source in your posts (Cable, Sat, OTA simulcast in home markets) and your location.

Should be interesting to see what changes NFL Network has in store for us this year. The use of still photography into the broadcast was very interesting last year.

Will this game be available in HD locally? Any ideas if NFL Network is required to share this feed with the local network?

KWGN in Denver will carry the game tonight in your area.

They will be carrying it locally in HD?

Yes, the HD feed is available to the locals.

(whether or not they are capable of actually broadcasting it is another story.... one would hope so at this point - just about all have done so in the last year or so)

Last year the NFL Network PQ was outstanding. I plan on invading a friend's house who actually pays for the channel. :)

edit: DD5.1 eh? Last year was 2.0 right?

Last year the NFL Network PQ was outstanding. I plan on invading a friend's house who actually pays for the channel. :)

edit: DD5.1 eh? Last year was 2.0 right?

I think so.

I'm pumped for this year's games on NFLN now that Kermit The Gumble is gone!!

PQ was excellent last year and graphics were kept to a minimum.

i'm ready... papa is a HUGE upgrade over gumbel, and i fully expect the good pq and minimal graphics to continue... and the 5.1 can't help but be an improvement over last year's aq...

might even be a good game... quinn can't get an easier defense to start against... my grandmother could move the ball against the broncos...

I live in columbus ohio, and we are not part of the primary or secondary market of the cleveland browns, but we do receive a cleveland news station(no clue why) on time warner (WUAB), and in the guide says its going to be showing the game. Will this be blacked out in my area?

Last year the NFL Network PQ was outstanding. I plan on invading a friend's house who actually pays for the channel. :)

edit: DD5.1 eh? Last year was 2.0 right?

Forgot about the audio being 2.0 last year, I will edit the first post and then update it again when the broadcast come on.

my grandmother could move the ball against the broncoslol

Finally NFLN gets a "real" announcer....it's about time!:)

I live in columbus ohio, and we are not part of the primary or secondary market of the cleveland browns, but we do receive a cleveland news station(no clue why) on time warner (WUAB), and in the guide says its going to be showing the game. Will this be blacked out in my area?

If you can get the station, you should be able to get the game (unless your cable system has some sort of deal set up to stop that from happening....)

I'm pumped for this year's games on NFLN now that Kermit The Gumble is gone!!



Amen to that brother - talk about wrong guy for the job.
Gumby - go back to fake BS shows. That's what you do best.

Looking forward to the first Tnight on NFL

Definitely not 5.1, at least not yet....not even DD?
Should it switch by gametime?

It wasn't DD last year either. Get with the times NFL Network!

Is anyone else getting occasional pixilation? I am on FiOs.

PQ looks very good, except for the CableCam.

CableCam looks horrible.

Anyone watching NFL Network HD on Fios? I'm in Burlington, MA and the audio has been cutting in/out stuttering like crazy. Its practically unwatchable.

I don't notice this problem on the SD channel.

Wow, not even 2.0 DD.....pitiful in this day and age.
It sounds like I'm in a bathroom.

PQ is good though, but so what with this sound.

D*
Allentown, PA

Wow, not even 2.0 DD.....pitiful in this day and age.
It sounds like I'm in a bathroom.

PQ is good though, but so what with this sound.

D*
Allentown, PA
That's exactly what I have thought about this network all along. Too bad :(

Well, there going to nothing but get bigger, and I imagine they have noone telling them they need to make it better.
I too am starting to very much dislike NFLN.
If they think they can charge us to watch games in a few years, while providing this type of poor audio they are crazy!

I love what I am seeing, but I hate what I am hearing.

PQ looks excellent via E*

A little bit of pixelation on backgrounds during fast motion but the lack of obnoxious graphics (are you listening ESPN?) is great.

I'm watching on FIOS in Irving, TX and I'm experiencing lots of pixilation and my audio is cutting in and out.

Anyone else?

Well on the bright side I get to try out the ALS function on my reciever since that only works in stereo with my model.

Looks like FiOS is having issues.

Gotta be a FIOS thing. I'm here in Germantown, MD and it's pretty bad. Like others have said, good PQ (almost up there w/ CBS) but weak audio and worse pixelation and sound cutout.

I think FIOS has had issues rolling out to their full 100+ channel lineup. Intially FXHD was doing this, now it's NFLN.

Man, the close-ups on D* are almost stunning!
If they would give us DD5.1 with no dropouts they'd win the Fans Choice award in a landslide.(though I haven't had any audio drops...just stereo sound :( )

I'm watching on FIOS in Irving, TX and I'm experiencing lots of pixilation and my audio is cutting in and out.

Anyone else?

I got the same thing on FIOS in Burlington, MA.

This is terrible and I'm about to switch to SD its so bad. We should all call Verizon. I am calling at end of quarter.

You guys should....except for the stereo audio, this is a stunning football game even on D*.(looks just as good as cbs if not better)

according to the suits there was no plan to go 5.1 this year

how odd

they seem more interested in the visual punch than audio

Im having the same problems here in Tampa, FL on Fios. Watching it on SD...:mad:

according to the suits there was no plan to go 5.1 this year

how odd

they seem more interested in the visual punch than audio

How about DD2.0 even?

http://www.sportsvideo.org/portal/artman/publish/article_13546.shtml

Well after 30 mins on the phone with Tech Support at Verizon I explained to the guy the issues I was having along with those in Tampa, FL; Germantown, MD; and ;Irving, TX.

He seemed genuinely looking to help, but there seems to be too many factors involved to pinpoint the issue. Said that FIOS could be receiving NFL network on a different feed than other content providers, hence the issue on FIOS and not on other providers like D*.

He also, mentioned a guy would get back to me tomorrow because he was sending the information along to some other Engineers. Well see how it works out next week I guess.

These pictures look unbelieveable...and the field sound makes you feel like you're there!

These pictures look unbelieveable...and the field sound makes you feel like you're there!

hold on there. I wouldn't go that far.

there also seems to be the issue that their TX distribution node (Crawford in Atlanta) can't handle 5.1 at the present time

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Getting pixellation a lot on FiOS here in Oregon. When it's not pixellating, the picture is great! I think it's the frequency that the NFL Network is on for FiOS that is having these issues.

there also seems to be the issue that their TX distribution node (Crawford in Atlanta) can't handle 5.1 at the present time

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
i'm on cband(big ugly dish) and having no problem at all. good picture and good sound. now all i need is the broncos to do something right for once.

With as much money as the NFL brings in there is no reason they shouldn't be top notch in audio and video.

Comcast Essex County NJ - Cable
Stereo like everyone else.
Picture drops out alot during commercials but is pretty solid during gameplay. Coming into and out and during commercials is pretty bad though.

My NFLHD just (721)ed twice for a couple minutes each time, anyone else?
D*

yeah me too. Its back though.

mine too, but it's back now. weird.

Yup, right at 8:00 for me as well.
D*

Regardless of the opponent...I was happy to see Brady finally get a start.

why dont the browns have cheerleaders ?

So was this available in the local markets on both NFLN and the local affiliate, or was the NFLN feed blacked out?

Yup, right at 8:00 for me as well.
D*

me too, wtf was that about? :confused:

directv, by the way.

why dont the browns have cheerleaders ?

The same reason the Giants and Steelers don't, old time traditional football franchises.

Excellent PQ on D*.

Comcast Essex County NJ - Cable
Stereo like everyone else.
Picture drops out alot during commercials but is pretty solid during gameplay. Coming into and out and during commercials is pretty bad though.

Same thing on Comcast of Union NJ.

BTW, as a G-men fan, I am sad. Last night Romeo Crennel signed his resignation letter by being stupid and throwing the ball THREE! times, starting on 2nd and 1 with no one in the backfield to not EVEN do a play-action or something!!! And he still had TWO time-outs. But why I am sad as a G-men fan? Because Steve Spags, our Defensive Coordinator, will for sure be a coach in 2009...

It wasn't DD last year either. Get with the times NFL Network!

Is anyone else getting occasional pixilation? I am on FiOs.

Yes, 2.0 stereo is dolby digital too. ;)

to: askfabiano@nfl.com

Hello Mr. Fabiano,

I was very disappointed that the NFLN-HD coverage of the Denver vs.
Cleveland game last night did not have 5.1 channel Dolby Digital (DD) sound. This is an embarrassment to the network. Every other TV network that covers the NFL has DD sound. The suround-sound experience provided by DD is what gives the broadcast that "feel like you are in the stadium" touch. Is there any hope for DD sound on the NFLN-HD broadcast games this season? Thanks in advance for any insights.

Chris

ps. I know this is not an issue that you have direct control over, feel free to pass on my thoughts/inquiry to the powers that be.

Anyone who had FIOS issues with NFL-HD last night, I suggest you at least contact them so they understand the magnitude of the problem.

<edit - took out URL>
Oops, looks like you cannot just drop them an email explaining your problem, you can only talk to them in person.

i'll call... that was horrid last night... it was driving me crazy, i even swapped out the hdmi cable on the (rare) chance the cable had gone bad...

it was on other channels last night as well (the basketball on tnt was a mess too), so i'm wondering if there might have been a bigger issue at work somewhere along the line...

i'm in south jersey, fwiw...

and yes, there's no excuse for no 5.1...

Yes, 2.0 stereo is dolby digital too. ;)

Since when was 2 channel stereo the same as 2.0 DD?

All HD in the US uses DD audio. DD2.0 audio has a flag that determines whether it is stereo or surround. If the surround flag is enabled, the receiver knows to apply the correct processing to take the matrixed center/surround audio and route to the appropriate speakers. 2.0/DS audio is uncommon to find on a broadcast. It's most often present on DVDs, but it will occasionally pop up when a local station is running from the local side. IIRC, it was also used on some NBC content back when their metadata was set correctly.

to: askfabiano@nfl.com

Hello Mr. Fabiano,

I was very disappointed that the NFLN-HD coverage of the Denver vs.
Cleveland game last night did not have 5.1 channel Dolby Digital (DD) sound. This is an embarrassment to the network. Every other TV network that covers the NFL has DD sound. The suround-sound experience provided by DD is what gives the broadcast that "feel like you are in the stadium" touch. Is there any hope for DD sound on the NFLN-HD broadcast games this season? Thanks in advance for any insights.

Chris

ps. I know this is not an issue that you have direct control over, feel free to pass on my thoughts/inquiry to the powers that be.


Chris,

This isn't quite true. ESPN uses its bizzare Circle Surround instead of true discrete Dolby Digital 5.1 for NFL games on ESPN as well as sporting events on ABC and the other ESPN channels. Circle Surround is lame, but some may prefer it to two channel stereo.

All HD in the US uses DD audio. DD2.0 audio has a flag that determines whether it is stereo or surround. If the surround flag is enabled, the receiver knows to apply the correct processing to take the matrixed center/surround audio and route to the appropriate speakers. 2.0/DS audio is uncommon to find on a broadcast. It's most often present on DVDs, but it will occasionally pop up when a local station is running from the local side. IIRC, it was also used on some NBC content back when their metadata was set correctly.



Is it not used by ESPN and ESPN2 HD currently on many games?(DD2.0)

Chris,

This isn't quite true. ESPN uses its bizzare Circle Surround instead of true discrete Dolby Digital 5.1 for NFL games on ESPN as well as sporting events on ABC and the other ESPN channels. Circle Surround is lame, but some may prefer it to two channel stereo.


Interesting. Thanks for the info.