Does anyone know what Comcast is doing? I left town for a week, and now I don't get any of the QAM channels I was getting before I left. No more 5-1, 12-1, 25-1, etc. that I was getting

Did a re-scan on the TV, but no luck. All the broadcast HD that was there before is gone.

Does anyone know what Comcast is doing? I left town for a week, and now I don't get any of the QAM channels I was getting before I left. No more 5-1, 12-1, 25-1, etc. that I was getting

Did a re-scan on the TV, but no luck. All the broadcast HD that was there before is gone.

I can't speak for other channels but i know I am getting 29.1, i will check other channels tonight and post results

I can't speak for other channels but i know I am getting 29.1, i will check other channels tonight and post results

Thanks Stew... I did several channel scans on my Vizio 22" set (I have the basic cable running into the house for those sets that are NOT connected to DirecTV) and none of the digital channels are there any more.

And, I'm getting a pretty crappy signal on the analogs as well... checked all the connections and they're tight.

I know this topic has been addressed somewhere in the 267 pages of this thread... but a search didn't help.

I have Basic Cable from Comcast (Jupiter), but none of the local Digital Channels show up on my QAM compatible OTA tuner. I do a scan every few months, but it always comes up empty.

Does Comcast transmit unscrambled local digital channels? If so, any thoughts about how I can get them. I have a Zinwell ZAT-600HD tuner.

Thanks

I have two Comcast DVRs. Both of them have recently been having lots of audio drop outs on HD channels. I haven't watched any non-HD channels, so I don't know if they have been effected also. Is anyone else noticing this?

Thanks Stew... I did several channel scans on my Vizio 22" set (I have the basic cable running into the house for those sets that are NOT connected to DirecTV) and none of the digital channels are there any more.

And, I'm getting a pretty crappy signal on the analogs as well... checked all the connections and they're tight.

to funny, I have the same set up

I know this topic has been addressed somewhere in the 267 pages of this thread... but a search didn't help.

I have Basic Cable from Comcast (Jupiter), but none of the local Digital Channels show up on my QAM compatible OTA tuner. I do a scan every few months, but it always comes up empty.

Does Comcast transmit unscrambled local digital channels? If so, any thoughts about how I can get them. I have a Zinwell ZAT-600HD tuner.

Thanks

I had them and now they're gone... see the messages a little bit higher than yours. We're not sure what's going on with ComCrap.

I know this topic has been addressed somewhere in the 267 pages of this thread... but a search didn't help.

I have Basic Cable from Comcast (Jupiter), but none of the local Digital Channels show up on my QAM compatible OTA tuner. I do a scan every few months, but it always comes up empty.

Does Comcast transmit unscrambled local digital channels? If so, any thoughts about how I can get them. I have a Zinwell ZAT-600HD tuner.

ThanksYes, you should be getting 5.1, 12.1, 25.1, 29.1 and a bunch more.

Thanks for the replies. So if I should be getting unscrambled digital channels, any thoughts as to what could be preventing it? Could the use of a splitter(s) cause it? Or could there be an improper install of a block by Comcast be the reason? I believe I have one of these installed at my junction box because I only get the very basic cable package.
My tuner says it's QAM capable, so that shouldn't be the problem. Thinking about whether I should schedule a service call. Problem is, Comcast says they will charge me if the problem is on my end. Not really interested in giving them any more of my money than I have to.

Thanks for the replies. So if I should be getting unscrambled digital channels, any thoughts as to what could be preventing it? Could the use of a splitter(s) cause it? Or could there be an improper install of a block by Comcast be the reason? I believe I have one of these installed at my junction box because I only get the very basic cable package.
My tuner says it's QAM capable, so that shouldn't be the problem. Thinking about whether I should schedule a service call. Problem is, Comcast says they will charge me if the problem is on my end. Not really interested in giving them any more of my money than I have to.

All of a sudden my digital channels are back today. I'd try re-scanning and see if you can get them today.

Looks like Comcast has been screwing around.

Has the Comcast screwing around affected anyone else's audio with frequent drop outs?

All of a sudden my digital channels are back today. I'd try re-scanning and see if you can get them today.

Looks like Comcast has been screwing around.

glad you got them back, I checked last night and I still had them, but I did not want to do a re-scan, because my luck would be they would all disappear. :D

I just came from the Comcast office in Vero Beach to swap out an old cable box for an HD box for my new TV and was informed that Comcast does not have any HDMI HD boxes and that there is a ten page waiting list. So I gave Comcast call and they informed me that they have been waiting 3 months for Scientific Atlanta boxes. This is crazy.

I just came from the Comcast office in Vero Beach to swap out an old cable box for an HD box for my new TV and was informed that Comcast does not have any HDMI HD boxes and that there is a ten page waiting list. So I gave Comcast call and they informed me that they have been waiting 3 months for Scientific Atlanta boxes. This is crazy.
Are they waiting for both HD and HD/DVR boxes with HDMI?

So i tried hooking up my OTA tuner to Comcast cable again. Still no channels.

Are there different types of QAM signals? I have an older OTA tuner (Zinwell ZAT HD600... http://www.zinwell.com.tw/dig_detail.php?productsid=355), which gets QAM, but I'm wondering if there's perhaps been changes in specs.

Other than that, I'm wondering if it could be something among a combination of splitters in my house, or a block at the junction box (I get basic cable only) that could be causing the problem.

My COMCAST ESPN and ESPN2 HD channels drop out like crazy during the daytime now.
Is this happening to anyone else?

Don’t know if this helps any but I know when I search for channels with my HDTV I have to distinguish between OTA, Cable or both. When one is selected the TV won’t recognize any channels from the other.

I hate to interrupt this Comcast love-fest, but I was up cleaning my roof this weekend and noticed my ChannelMaster CM3010 (Stealthtenna) has a single rusting element. Before I run off and replace it, anyone around here have any newer experiences with local OTA and smaller outdoor antennas? I've been happy with the CM3010, just checking what I may have missed in the 2 years since I last checked things out.

Don’t know if this helps any but I know when I search for channels with my HDTV I have to distinguish between OTA, Cable or both. When one is selected the TV won’t recognize any channels from the other.

All I had to do on my Vizio is to select what was installed. On mine its only the basic cable connection, so I selected Cable and all the HD local stations that ComCrap carries showed up just fine.

My COMCAST ESPN and ESPN2 HD channels drop out like crazy during the daytime now.
Is this happening to anyone else?

Yes. Something changed within the last week and this began.

I've been looking into picking up a SiliconDust HDHomeRun to add OTA to our lineup. I figure one tuner for our HOA Comcast cable and the other for OTA. Anyone have any experience with this hardware in our area? tia

I reprogrammed my over-the-air antenna last night. Due to the weather, I had some interesting channels. With the antenna pointed south, I picked up Channel 6-1, 6-2, 6-3 from Miami and 6-1, 6-2 from Orlando. I also picked up 9-1 and 9-2 from Orlando. NO CHANNEL 12. Is Channel 12 still on the air?

I should add that I recently put an ad in the paper asking to purchase a 30-40 foot antenna tower. I had nearly 20 responses. I drove up to Sebastian and for $50, purchased three eight foot sections with a three foot below ground extension and you can add a pole at the top. Hopefully this weekend I'll be able to pick up Cuba!

I reprogrammed my over-the-air antenna last night. Due to the weather, I had some interesting channels. With the antenna pointed south, I picked up Channel 6-1, 6-2, 6-3 from Miami and 6-1, 6-2 from Orlando. I also picked up 9-1 and 9-2 from Orlando. NO CHANNEL 12. Is Channel 12 still on the air?

When did you lose OTA Channel 12?

I should add that I recently put an ad in the paper asking to purchase a 30-40 foot antenna tower. I had nearly 20 responses. I drove up to Sebastian and for $50, purchased three eight foot sections with a three foot below ground extension and you can add a pole at the top. Hopefully this weekend I'll be able to pick up Cuba!
Do you plan on erecting this braced to the side your house?

SNIP. NO CHANNEL 12. Is Channel 12 still on the air?

Yes, although I sometimes display it as 13.1.

I've long been considering a tower, but windstorm issues always give me pause for thought.

Do you plan on erecting this braced to the side your house?

as soon as possible I am dropping Comsuc if they don't fix me issue this weekend. I have been begging them to fix my HD drop outs on the 8300hd. Supposedly they are coming this weekend with a new box. Anyone like Direct TV here? I know the have more HD

I don't know why so many people think Comcast is the only option. OTA around here is great, and there are two satellite options. I've had satellite for 10 years now, it's fine, and rain-fade is not the issue Comcast tries to make it out to be.

as soon as possible I am dropping Comsuc if they don't fix me issue this weekend. I have been begging them to fix my HD drop outs on the 8300hd. Supposedly they are coming this weekend with a new box. Anyone like Direct TV here? I know the have more HD

When did you lose OTA Channel 12?

I've never been able to pick up Channel 12. NEVER. I worried that I will lose Channel 5 because when they switch from Channel 55 to 12, their power goes from 900,000 watts to 50,000. However, Channel 12 has been given permission by the FCC to double their power to 72,000 watts on June 12. Hopefully that will help.

"Your TV is NOT ready for the Digital transition... This channel will not be available after June 12... Please switch to digital now to avoid seeing this message..." They're running a continuous scroll on the bottom of the screen on analog 5. I guess that they'll be running another message on their digital channel about re-scanning on June 13. (BTW, they have a really nasty lip sync. lag on analog that is MUCH more motivating to switch to digital than the message on the bottom of the screen...)

I don't know why so many people think Comcast is the only option. OTA around here is great, and there are two satellite options. I've had satellite for 10 years now, it's fine, and rain-fade is not the issue Comcast tries to make it out to be.

I agree with Jeff, sure the rain fade happens, but it's for a few minutes at the most and unless it is a really bad storm it only effects the HD channels and if we have a hurricane(I hope we don't) once it passes your back up as soon as you get power to your TV & Box, no waiting for the "lines" to be repaired for the full service to be restored.

I've long been considering a tower, but windstorm issues always give me pause for thought.
Not too sure you’e need a ‘tower’ in Boca. Just something to get you over the roof tops. I wish I were in Boca, I’d be in OTA heaven, not like here in Vero, which is more like OTA hell.

By "tower", I mean something to get over my treeline. Coconuts tower over and surround my house, I figure I might buy myself a bit of multi-path resistance and get the antenna off my peak tile.

Yeah, I can't argue with my location in Boca. I only have trouble with 25. on occasion, and it is terrific to pick up the Miami stations. WFOR 4 always shows the Dolphins pre-season games.

I don't know why so many people think Comcast is the only option. OTA around here is great, and there are two satellite options. I've had satellite for 10 years now, it's fine, and rain-fade is not the issue Comcast tries to make it out to be.

well for some time for ME it was the only option(condo). Now i have a house and will be changing very soon.

Excellent. Make damned sure that technician doesn't leave until your sat signals are maximized.

well for some time for ME it was the only option(condo). Now i have a house and will be changing very soon.

Last weekend, Radio Shack had their USB Digital Tuner's on sale and I got one. ($49.99 on sale) They turn your computer into a HD Television. It came with software and a small antenna. It also came with a program where you can program your computer to record OTA shows in HD. A 30 minute show in HD on WXEL took up 2.4 gigs.

I'm going to Europe in June for four weeks and have heard that most of Europe is Digital now. It will be interesting to see what I can pick up.

In Fort Pierce, I was able to pick up digital channels 25, 34, 21 and when their not off the air or being overpowered by NBC6 in Miami, WXEL's repeater signal. I haven't tried it with my big antenna yet. It also picked up analog 25 and 67.

If you have kids going to college, I would recommend this over taking a television to college.

Wally34949:

Is there any chance that you could try using that tuner with the TSReader Lite software? If it works for you, I'd really enjoy some data for use on RabbitEars... PM me or post here or whatever if you're interested and I'll provide whatever help is necessary.

- Trip

You won't pick up much since Europe uses the DVB standard while the U.S. uses the ATSC standard.

It is difficult for me to say anything good about the WPB PBS outlet, but maybe I can.

Although weaker than the other WPB channels, when this station commenced digital transmissions I usually received a signal good enough for reliable reception. A year or so go, something happened, and their signal dropped so that I rarely could get a signal lock.

About a week ago, I noticed that the signal was pretty good and assumed it was assisted by favorable ducting. I've been checking every day and the signal is still adequate for reception. Hopefully they fixed something and this is not coincidence.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Is anyone with Comcast getting ESPN HD or ESPN2 HD? For me it is totally unwatchable.

Is anyone with Comcast getting ESPN HD or ESPN2 HD? For me it is totally unwatchable.
OK, here but the Mets/Marlins game on FSN-HD didn't go on until half way through the game, as usual.

About a week ago, I noticed that the signal was pretty good and assumed it was assisted by favorable ducting. I've been checking every day and the signal is still adequate for reception. Hopefully they fixed something and this is not coincidence.

Has anyone else noticed this?
I have been getting WXEL on CH 42 (UHF 27) here in Vero, in addition to the W31DC-D, which is very near by. The skip has been so hot lately, I can’t tell if it’s just due to that or not. I’m glad I do though, because W31DC-D seems to go down a lot. It must be unmanned, because it usually takes a while for it to come back up, and usually not until Monday if it goes down on the weekend.

Is anyone with Comcast getting ESPN HD or ESPN2 HD? For me it is totally unwatchable.Yea, mine has been all pixelated since Friday evening when I first tuned to it. Thought it may be a signal problem on my end but the box diagnostics show no errors so it's something up stream that is having a problem.

I called Comcast and they are aware of the problem. I was told they are working on it but really shouldn't they be able to correct this relatively quick? I am really sick of Comcast to be honest and the only reason I keep them is becuase of my condo/HOA and the fact that along with their internet service my bill is rather cheap in comparison to other things out there.

You won't pick up much since Europe uses the DVB standard while the U.S. uses the ATSC standard.

The digital tuner was made in Germany and has settings (many settings) for around the world traveling. Thanks for the information about DVB. I'm pretty sure it has that setting.

I have been getting WXEL on CH 42 (UHF 27) here in Vero, in addition to the W31DC-D, which is very near by. The skip has been so hot lately, I can’t tell if it’s just due to that or not. I’m glad I do though, because W31DC-D seems to go down a lot. It must be unmanned, because it usually takes a while for it to come back up, and usually not until Monday if it goes down on the weekend.


Wait until June 12 when WRDQ in Orlando changes from Channel 14 to Channel 27. Check the government database:
www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_report1/Orlando-Daytona_Beach-Melbourne_FL.pdf

They were never reliable, even here in Boca, but I noticed yesterday that my tuner was able to lock their signal for a change.

It is difficult for me to say anything good about the WPB PBS outlet, but maybe I can.

Although weaker than the other WPB channels, when this station commenced digital transmissions I usually received a signal good enough for reliable reception. A year or so go, something happened, and their signal dropped so that I rarely could get a signal lock.

About a week ago, I noticed that the signal was pretty good and assumed it was assisted by favorable ducting. I've been checking every day and the signal is still adequate for reception. Hopefully they fixed something and this is not coincidence.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Wait until June 12 when WRDQ in Orlando changes from Channel 14 to Channel 27. Check the government database:
www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_report1/Orlando-Daytona_Beach-Melbourne_FL.pdf
Oh Crap! I’m going to lose them both, and there is no substitute for WRDQ (which I actually watch!)

Oh Crap! I’m going to lose them both, and there is no substitute for WRDQ (which I actually watch!)


Personally, I think it would be funny if the repeater signal for WXEL starting picking up WRDQ and began broadcasting their signal on their repeater signal. It looks like their picking up WXEL's signal with an antenna.

Oh Crap! I’m going to lose them both, and there is no substitute for WRDQ (which I actually watch!)

I can't understand why WXEL didn't want to keep their Channel 42 after transition.

I can't understand why WXEL didn't want to keep their Channel 42 after transition.

Wally:

Did you see my previous message about TSReader?

As for WXEL, the FCC's channel election rules stated that stations keeping their current digitals would have their coverage protected, whereas stations moving would have to take what they could get. The FCC wanted stations to stay put.

They risked losing coverage by moving to 42, so they took the safe path.

- Trip

Wally:

Did you see my previous message about TSReader?

As for WXEL, the FCC's channel election rules stated that stations keeping their current digitals would have their coverage protected, whereas stations moving would have to take what they could get. The FCC wanted stations to stay put.

They risked losing coverage by moving to 42, so they took the safe path.

- Trip
This just irritates me. Why can’t the FCC see that two stations are on the same frequency here after 6-12. WRDQ could have stayed on UHF-14 after transition. I see that WRDQ will increase output by more than 5 times on UHF-27 (with greater coverage!), and I get it reasonably well even now. Hopefully, it will be strong enough to knock out WXEL, but I’m thinking there will be trouble there more often than not. Like I said before, being able to tune into WXEL on UHF-27 was handy since W31DC-D is a lot like Windows, it crashes a lot.

Channel 14 has a lot of issues with land mobile operations. Very prone to interference from users of the 450-470 MHz band.

- Trip

This just irritates me. Why can’t the FCC see that two stations are on the same frequency here after 6-12. WRDQ could have stayed on UHF-14 after transition. I see that WRDQ will increase output by more than 5 times on UHF-27 (with greater coverage!), and I get it reasonably well even now. Hopefully, it will be strong enough to knock out WXEL, but I’m thinking there will be trouble there more often than not. Like I said before, being able to tune into WXEL on UHF-27 was handy since W31DC-D is a lot like Windows, it crashes a lot.


What kind of antenna do you have to pick up WXEL in Vero Beach? What is the height above the ground. I'm curious, are you getting Channel 6 from Orlando? Which is stronger, WXEL or CBS6 in Orlando?

I'm hoping to put my antenna tower up today. I couldn't do it Sunday because I had too many beverages. I do plan to point it north just to see what I can pick up, however, I will probably keep it pointed south for the long run.

What kind of antenna do you have to pick up WXEL in Vero Beach? What is the height above the ground. I'm curious, are you getting Channel 6 from Orlando? Which is stronger, WXEL or CBS6 in Orlando?

I'm hoping to put my antenna tower up today. I couldn't do it Sunday because I had too many beverages. I do plan to point it north just to see what I can pick up, however, I will probably keep it pointed south for the long run.
Here is a picture of the antennas.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/rclayramsey/May-09_setup.jpg

The one on top is for UHF south (which is WXEL), it’s 37 foot AGL (about 51 foot ASL). The corner reflector yagi pointing north picks up WKMG (and WXEL on the backside too sometimes). I get WKMG better than WXEL. The other yagi (pointing south) is tuned for VHF-12 (waiting for WPTV) but works well enough on VHF-13 (WPEC).

Here is an attached file which describes the reception I get presently.

Here is an attached file which describes the reception I get presently.

OK, so I don't know how to do attachments. I thought I had done it right but nothing showed up.

If someone knows how to do it, let me know and I'll post it tomorrow.

Here is a picture of the antennas.

Oops, messed that one up too, it actually looks like this now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/rclayramsey/array0509.jpg

Oops, messed that one up too, it actually looks like this now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/rclayramsey/array0509.jpg


Thanks. I did view the photos. Have you picked up Channel 2 from Orlando? They are on Channel 11, I believe. You're getting Channel 29 ok? WFLX. And Channel 12 is coming in good?

Oops, messed that one up too, it actually looks like this now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/rclayramsey/array0509.jpg

Are all three antennas connected to the same cable or are you using seperate cable wires?

Are all three antennas connected to the same cable or are you using seperate cable wires?
I’ve never gotten WESH on VHF-11. I get WFLX on UHF-28 reasonably well, and WPEC on VHF-13 is ok sometimes, but I’ll need that power boost after 6-12 to get WPEC respectably (I hope)

There are two coaxs going down. The 8 bay UHF on top has it’s own amp and coax, the other two antennas share UHF and VHF inputs to a CM 0265 amp and another coax.

I’ve never gotten WESH on VHF-11. I get WFLX on UHF-28 reasonably well, and WPEC on VHF-13 is ok sometimes, but I’ll need that power boost after 6-12 to get WPEC respectably (I hope)


Trying the attachment thing again. If it doesn't work again, sorry.

Attached is a current list of stations I get here in Vero, and all the details.

Trying the attachment thing again. If it doesn't work again, sorry.

Attached is a current list of stations I get here in Vero, and all the details.

I always get good reception from Channel 67 and 5 and that's with an antenna in the attic. Can I assume you will be happy when Channel 5 switches from Channel 55 to Channel 12? I heard they requested more power from the FCC, but they said no since there is a station in Tampa on 12. That is why Channel 12 wanted to stay on 13. They will be increasing their power.

I am convinced that an antenna in the attic works good for UHF but for VHF it isn't so good. I hope I never pick up Savannah, Georgia. How often does that happen? I guess it could travel over the ocean.

What part of Vero are you in?

SNIP
I am convinced that an antenna in the attic works good for UHF but for VHF it isn't so good.

That may be true in your case, but in theory the opposite is true, i.e, lower frequencies are less susceptible to signal reduction due to walls, leaves etc.

I use a single channel Yagi (13) and a multi-channel UHF Yagi in my attic. My reception from WPEC, and most of the WPB UHF transmitters is about the same and what could be expected.

I always get good reception from Channel 67 and 5 and that's with an antenna in the attic. Can I assume you will be happy when Channel 5 switches from Channel 55 to Channel 12? I heard they requested more power from the FCC, but they said no since there is a station in Tampa on 12. That is why Channel 12 wanted to stay on 13. They will be increasing their power.
Yes, I’m definitely looking forward to when WPTV goes to VHF-12. You get WPTV good in your attic? That’s incredible! My WPTV is iffy even up at 37 feet. No skip, no signal, period. 67 is fairly respectable, just a little better tham my other ION (56). I’ve often felt that the signals from West Palm are blocked by something from where I live, since my WFLX is coming from some direction a little off than from where it should be. A reflection from something maybe. I’ve never tried to focus directly on WPTV, I guess I didn’t worry much about that one, since it is going to disappear soon anyway.

I am convinced that an antenna in the attic works good for UHF but for VHF it isn't so good. I hope I never pick up Savannah, Georgia. How often does that happen? I guess it could travel over the ocean.?
Savhanna has only come in 3 or 4 times, and never for very long. WSAV shares a frequency with WFTV, so WFTV has to be a little down, while WSAV is a little up at the same time. It’s a rare combination.

What part of Vero are you in?
I’m only two blocks from VBHS, across the street from the stadium.

Lost all of my QAM HD channels today, again. Thanks Comcast for such great service! :confused::mad:

Coming in fine for me. QAM's have always been on channels 73,81,84,107

Coming in fine for me. QAM's have always been on channels 73,81,84,107

Lost all the HD channels again on the basic cable... they were coming in on 5-1, 5-2, 12-1, 12-2, 25-1, 25-2, 29-1\\

Happened last week, and will probably be back later today or tomorrow. They've just been screwing around with it so much lately.

This map from the FCC looks rather interesting.


www.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/images/callsigns/WHDT.gif

You have a better chance of guessing the lottery numbers then trying to figure out what WHDT is doing.

WHDT is a waste of a channel. If I wanted to watch German news I would move to Germany. Why couldn't they have added Cinemax HD instead of this gem?

It's most likely carried on cable due to them involking the FCC's must carry rules.

I think Comcast has hit a limit on bandwidth here and is waiting on removing more analog channels before they can add new HD channels.

We really must have an inferior system compared to Broward & Miami-Dade as they have quite a few more channels compared to us even in former Adelphia areas of Miami-Dade.

I wonder in after June 12th they will be able to add more channels or does the digital switch-over have little to do with cable operators dropping analog stations?

They're running WHDT-DT at low power on 44 until the soon-to-be-former WXEL-42 analog gear can be converted to operate digitally.

- Trip

We really must have an inferior system compared to Broward & Miami-Dade as they have quite a few more channels compared to us even in former Adelphia areas of Miami-Dade.

I wonder in after June 12th they will be able to add more channels or does the digital switch-over have little to do with cable operators dropping analog stations?Not sure why it's taking longer but it could be the fact that the Adelphia system they took over in the West Palm market is a lot bigger and complex then a few Centry Village systems in Broward. :p

The June 12th end to full power analog broadcasts only has to do with local channels and how they broadcast from their towers and what you would receive with an antenna. Cable and satellite pay tv services are not affected by it.

I believe the cable companies have agreed to stop taking analog channels away from subsribers for a while due to complaints so we may have to wait a while.

I wonder if we will see anything by years end? Broward & Miami-Dade are getting more tomorrow (those b@st@rds)

Analog WPEC is now off the air.

It's funny watching WPTV try to tell everyone to rescan the channels but without saying they are actually moving to channel 12. I guess it's better to not confuse people.

Analog WPEC is now off the air.
This morning it seemed the WPEC signal was *much* stronger (due to what I hoped was the promised power boost), but now it’s back down to where it would normally be. Have they gone to high power yet? Or did they go up, and then have to go back for some reason. I hope this isn’t all there is to the boost from 30 to 90 kW.

It's funny watching WPTV try to tell everyone to rescan the channels but without saying they are actually moving to channel 12. I guess it's better to not confuse people.
LOL. How ironic. ‘12’ must be a dirty word over at WPTV!

They're running WHDT-DT at low power on 44 until the soon-to-be-former WXEL-42 analog gear can be converted to operate digitally.

- Trip

WXEL has been digital only since April, not a peep from WHDT on 42 so far. Maybe on Friday but I wouldn't hold my breath...

Analog WPEC is now off the air.



Did WPEC do anything special (SSB, Signoff, etc.) or was it just a simple cut of the switch that the digital viewers wouldn't see?

Analog WPEC is now off the air.

It's funny watching WPTV try to tell everyone to rescan the channels but without saying they are actually moving to channel 12. I guess it's better to not confuse people.

I have to agree. They should mention what kind of antenna works best. I did get an E-mail from Dave at Channel 5. He said they on Friday, if I key in 12 1, I will get WPTV.

I keyed in 5-1 this morning and got nothing, but then keyed in 55-1 and Channel 5 played fine. Go figure.

I wonder if in a few years Channel 5 will call themselves Channel 12 and Channel 12 will call themselves Channel 13?

In the meantime, would any of you guys like to climb to the top of the WPEC tower, and help change the transmitter?

I was watching a special on television where these two guys had to climb to the top of the Empire State Building and change the light bulb. When they were high on the tower with just two inch nails to stand on, I had to leave the room.

Did WPEC do anything special (SSB, Signoff, etc.) or was it just a simple cut of the switch that the digital viewers wouldn't see?I did not get to see, had to get up early for work.

I keyed in 5-1 this morning and got nothing, but then keyed in 55-1 and Channel 5 played fine. Go figure.

I wonder if in a few years Channel 5 will call themselves Channel 12 and Channel 12 will call themselves Channel 13?

In the meantime, would any of you guys like to climb to the top of the WPEC tower, and help change the transmitter?

I was watching a special on television where these two guys had to climb to the top of the Empire State Building and change the light bulb. When they were high on the tower with just two inch nails to stand on, I had to leave the room.Sounds like your tuner lost the PSIP info for WPTV. Or the other way around. :p

From what I understand, stations are supposed to continue to refer to themselves by their analog channel number. Who knows what will happen down the line. Some stations around the country actually refer to themselves by the cable channel number they are carried on.

No need to climb the tower as the transmitter is in a building at the base of the tower. The antenna is at the top of the tower. ;)

Yea, tower climbing is one tough profession I bet. I am sure they are keeping busy this week.

I believe the cable companies have agreed to stop taking analog channels away from subsribers for a while due to complaints so we may have to wait a while.

I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one. Unlike digital television and Internet, you can't compress or oversaturate the analog channels they have. The 70 or so analog channels that Comcast carries in Palm Beach must be really killing this old network. My guess is that our best bet is going to be to switch to Uverse or some other operator as its going to be a while before Comcast can get rid of the analogs and then implement SDV.

The part that irritates me with Comcast is that it appears as though the last 3 HD channels that they added (Family, Disney, Science) were just added for no good reason. I can think of like 30 channels I'd rather have in HD before those 3 channels....

Why can't they start to reclaim analog channels and move them to digital?

I also wonder how long it will take until U-verse reaches West Boca?

Why can't they start to reclaim analog channels and move them to digital?

If Comcast changed their analog channels to digital, an external receiver (STB) or a QAM capable TV would be required for reception.

If Comcast changed their analog channels to digital, an external receiver (STB) or a QAM capable TV would be required for reception.
Why won't they pass some of these channels through as subchannels like they do with the broadcast channels? As much as I would like more HD, I would settle for more digital until Comcast gets their act together. My main TV is a Sony XBR LCD and I find the analog channels very poor in quality as compared to their appearance on my analog TV's. My wife and I have become "digital snobs" when it comes to our viewing preferences .;)

If Comcast changed their analog channels to digital, an external receiver (STB) or a QAM capable TV would be required for reception.

Actually, in markets where Comcast has gone to an all digital signal, they use a simple device that is much smaller than a STB. It is called a DTA(Digital to Analog converter). I've read that they issue two or three free DTA's per household and each additional DTA costs around $2.00 extra per month.

Actually, in markets where Comcast has gone to an all digital signal, they use a simple device that is much smaller than a STB. It is called a DTA(Digital to Analog converter). I've read that they issue two or three free DTA's per household and each additional DTA costs around $2.00 extra per month.

If that is the case then Comcast should start reclaiming analog channels and get us some more HD. ;)

Actually, in markets where Comcast has gone to an all digital signal, they use a simple device that is much smaller than a STB. It is called a DTA(Digital to Analog converter). I've read that they issue two or three free DTA's per household and each additional DTA costs around $2.00 extra per month.

I found these pages a couple months ago while investigating something else:

http://comcast.com/digitalnow/About_Digital_Update.aspx
http://comcast.com/digitalnow/Contents/DTA_online_ver_2.pdf
http://comcast.com/digitalnow/FAQs.aspx?map=all_faq_map

I am pretty sure this does not yet affect our local market YET. Did some searching and I think it will be coming here before too much longer.

Robin

The analogs converted to digital will also be in the clear since the DTA's do not support encryption. They will not map to the assigned channel number though if you use your tv's qam tuner.

Actually, in markets where Comcast has gone to an all digital signal, they use a simple device that is much smaller than a STB. It is called a DTA(Digital to Analog converter). I've read that they issue two or three free DTA's per household and each additional DTA costs around $2.00 extra per month.
You can call it anything you like, but a DTA is an electronic device that must be placed between the cable outlet and your non-QAM TV. Some STB's are smaller and less capable than others.

To me, $2.00 per month is not free.

Why won't they pass some of these channels through as subchannels like they do with the broadcast channels? As much as I would like more HD, I would settle for more digital until Comcast gets their act together. My main TV is a Sony XBR LCD and I find the analog channels very poor in quality as compared to their appearance on my analog TV's. My wife and I have become "digital snobs" when it comes to our viewing preferences .;) It would be nice, but unless you have a QAM TV or some sort of STB you couldn't receive the subchannels resulting in even more unhappy customers.

Apparently in the medium term, Comcast has decided to use a simple STB they call a DTA in order to expand their capability. In the long term, they do not have the bandwidth to compete with optical or satellite systems unless they go the IPTV route.

It was another one of those mornings when I could NOT get Channel 5 or 12 but I was able to get NBC6 from Miami and CBS6 from Orlando. So why does the Miami and Orlando market have so many 1,000,000 watt stations and the Palm Beach Market has only 2; WPBF (25) and WBEC (63)

Even WFLX (29) used to have 5,000,000 watts analog, but their digital signal is only 630,000 watts. It appears that the strongest stations in our market besides WPBF, are the two religious stations (21 and 61) and the Broward County school channel on Analog 63, which broadcasts from the Miami Television market.

The FCC doesn't like us. :(

It was another one of those mornings when I could NOT get Channel 5 or 12 but I was able to get NBC6 from Miami and CBS6 from Orlando. So why does the Miami and Orlando market have so many 1,000,000 watt stations and the Palm Beach Market has only 2; WPBF (25) and WBEC (63)

Even WFLX (29) used to have 5,000,000 watts analog, but their digital signal is only 630,000 watts. It appears that the strongest stations in our market besides WPBF, are the two religious stations (21 and 61) and the Broward County school channel on Analog 63, which broadcasts from the Miami Television market.

The FCC doesn't like us. :(

We need to petition the FCC to either force WPEC, WFLX, and WPTV to move their towers north, have repeaters in Fort Pierce, or have permission to increase power to benefit the viewers in Indian River and St. Lucie Counties like myself who use the digital subchannels for weather info that the satellite companies won't give us. This is 2009 not 1989, Broward and Miami-Dade Counties do not need to view the Palm Beach locals anymore because all of the Big 6 stations towers are now at the Broward-Dade County line.

Even WFLX (29) used to have 5,000,000 watts analog, but their digital signal is only 630,000 watts.

Analog and digital power levels are measured differently. 1000 kW on digital goes further than 5000 kW on analog ever did.

A boost from 630 kW to 1000 kW is only 2 dB more power, which means that it would do almost nothing for you unless you're teetering on the edge of reception (it comes in with slight breakups).

- Trip

WPTV announced that their analog signal will be turned off at 5:45am on Friday.

It was another one of those mornings when I could NOT get Channel 5 or 12 but I was able to get NBC6 from Miami and CBS6 from Orlando. So why does the Miami and Orlando market have so many 1,000,000 watt stations and the Palm Beach Market has only 2; WPBF (25) and WBEC (63)

There was some good tropo today and looks like for next week. http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html#hour6

We need to petition the FCC to have permission to increase power to benefit the viewers in Indian River and St. Lucie Counties.

The FCC has already given WPEC permission to increase power to 90 KW toward the north and south. WPTV's ERP will be 50 KW omnidirectional on channel 12. Those are respectable power levels for VHF.

WPTV has turned off their analog signal and moved to their new channel 12 signal.

They said Dish Network forgot to change their source from the analog signal to the digital one but that has been resolved.

They so want to say to tune your digital tuner to channel 12 but just can't do it. :p

For the past three years, I have been able to pick up Channel 5 on Channel 55 (with 900,000 watts) at between 60-84 percent.

Today, on Channel 12 with 50,000 watts, the signal was around 4 to 12 percent.

I didn't kinda lose them, I totally lost them.

But NBC6 is coming in at 65%

wally 34949 -

WPTV was previously on UHF Channel 55 - now on VHF Channel 12


Are you using a UHF-only antenna? If yes, it's performance (or lack of performance) at VHF Channel 12 is probably the problem.

NBC6 in Miami is on UHF Channel 31, so your antenna works well to pull them in.

Ian

The FCC has already given WPEC permission to increase power to 90 KW toward the north and south. WPTV's ERP will be 50 KW omnidirectional on channel 12. Those are respectable power levels for VHF.
Ysterday, I emailed WPEC to find out when they would go to 90kW (hoping they hadn’t already done so, since my signal is still fairly down from what I was expecting for that much).

Here’s their response:

From: "Paul Russell" <prussell@cbs12.com>
We will not be able to increase power until our new digital antenna is mounted on top of the tower. With luck this will happen by early next week, weather permitting.


I was up to watch the end of WPTV on VHF-5 (and UHF-55 too). It was handled kind of clumsily, having three different transmitters to deal with, but they broadcast live from where the transmitters were. Very modern looking stuff. Their signal has been all over the place. It’s quite a bit below the WPEC signal, and I’m hoping they still have some tuning to do. TVfool says WPTV should outperform WPEC here, if it ever does, that will be great. I now have a reliable NBC.

Short video on channel 5's web site:

http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story/analog-digital-tv-wptv-west-palm-beach-television/PTSz85olL02dvYIeIZphRg.cspx

I was up to watch the end of WPTV on VHF-5 (and UHF-55 too). It was handled kind of clumsily, having three different transmitters to deal with, but they broadcast live from where the transmitters were. Very modern looking stuff. Their signal has been all over the place. It’s quite a bit below the WPEC signal, and I’m hoping they still have some tuning to do. TVfool says WPTV should outperform WPEC here, if it ever does, that will be great. I now have a reliable NBC.I thought it was actually pretty neat to see them actually turn on the new transmitter and off the old ones. You don't get to see what goes on behind the scenes that often. I also wonder how slower the power meter is spinning now. :p

Maybe the stations will get smart and put up a translator like WXEL has.

Yesterday, I put up my outdoor antenna. The results have been very fustrating. I believe if you live in St. Lucie or Indian River County, Cable/satellite is the only way to go.

Here are some of my results: My reception on Channel 5 is only around 56%. Barely watchable. Channel 12 is worst, but it came in for awhile last night.

This morning, there was a strong penetration from Tampa, and the Tampa 12 and 13 knocked out the West Palm Beach channels.

At 9:15 a.m., out of fustration, I turned the antenna to the northwest and started picking up Channel 2, 6, 9, 18, 27, 35 from Orlando.

Channel 27 from Orlando has knocked out WXEL from West Palm Beach; even with the antenna pointed south.

The repeater signal for WXEL is back on, and they must be microwaving the signal or something, because they are able to play WXEL.

I'm picking up Channels 2, 6 and 9 from Orlando and the signal is over 80%. It will be interesting to see if it starts breaking up as the day progresses.

BTW, Channel NBC2 in Orlando is owned by the same company that owns Channel 25, WPBF, and their local news is in HD.

Yesterday, WPEC and WPTV were both very hot, pegging the meter, but this morning my STB gave out (a MicroGEM) and I had to put in an RCA. Now WPEC is in and out, and WPTV is Threshold. The RCA box hates both my south antennas.

North (on a corner reflector yagi) is a different story altogether. Most Orlando stuff is very hot, even at 9:30 AM with sun 30 deg up. WRDQ is either very good, or completely dead. I don’t know if its propagation or something going on at the station. Even WJXT was fairly strong untill about 9:00. Either this is a fake out good skip day, or things are really looking up for everything out of Orlando.

North : 6,9,15,18,24,27,35,40,43,45,51,68 Strong; 56 Weak
South : 21,25,34,44 strong; 5,12 Weak; 29,42,61,67 Missing

The repeater signal for WXEL is back on, and they must be microwaving the signal or something, because they are able to play WXEL.
But W44AY (the analog version) is still dead. It just says “42.1 Signal Missing”. I hope that particular analog station will be saved (and fixed), so that when W31DC-D drops off (just about daily), I have at least one failsafe for WXEL. Last night, I was able to get 42 (WXEL) but this morning if I go there, WRDQ comes in.

Having two stations with the same channel number in adjecent markets was not very smart by the FCC. My only suggestion is to complain to the FCC, XEL and RDQ about the interference. Of course XEL will just say to tune to the translator but it sound like it is not reliable either.

There is lots of tropo this week and into next weekend according to the dxinfocentre site.

There is lots of tropo this week and into next weekend according to the dxinfocentre site.
Today's early morning great results were definitely due to nothing more than skip. At 2:00 PM today the sky was cloudless, and it looked more like this here in Vero.

OVERALL
Solid – 5 , 6 , 9 , 21 , 25 , 34 , 44
Weak – 18 , 43 , 65
Break-Up – 12 , 15 , 68
Missing - 24 , 27 , 29 , 35 , 40 , 42 , 45 , 51 , 56 , 61 , 67

Stations SOUTH ( West Palm )

Solid – 5 , 21 , 25 , 34 , 44
Break-Up - 12
Missing – 29 , 42 , 61 , 67

Stations NORTH ( Orlando )

Solid – 6 , 9
Weak – 18 , 43 , 65
Break-Up – 15 , 68
Missing - 24 , 27 , 35 , 40 , 45 , 51 , 56

This is not too different from the daytime pre-transition reception, with the exception of:

WPTV – Went from a weak station on UHF-55 to a reliable station on VHF-12.
WOTF – Is much stronger, but it's Spanish so nothing gained
WXEL – Gone (letter to FCC)
WRBD - Gone (letter to FCC)

At 4:00 p.m., Channel 5 is running around 78 percent. WFLX has been running around 89%. WPEC is in and out at around 50%. I really think Indian River County residents should consider a lawsuit.

What ever happened to the frequencies 21, 25 and 50 that were used by Channels 21, 25, and 34? Those were full-power frequencies. 21 and 25 were 5,000,000 watts.

I do see a big problem for Channels 5 and 12 with those Strong Tampa stations on the same frequency.

Does anyone know what the cable company is doing with WXEL? Do they pick them up off the air or are they on a wire?

Yesterday, I put up my outdoor antenna. The results have been very fustrating. I believe if you live in St. Lucie or Indian River County, Cable/satellite is the only way to go.

Thanks for the info. What kind of antenna, how high?

WXEL – Gone (letter to FCC)

I haven't received this station since DTV day either, but it is usually unreliable for me. They shouldn't have made any transmission changes as their channel didn't change and analog was already terminated.

According to the FCC web site, WXEL should be putting a much better signal into Martin County than they do. I suspect they don't have funds for proper operation and maintenance of this pathetic station.

Thanks for the info. What kind of antenna, how high?

I put an ad in the paper and I had 20 responses. I purchased it for $50, 3 eight foot sections which I then purchased a pole for the top. It is a triangle shaped tower, which I just had to climb to the top today to point it south. I'm up about 28 feet, but I could go up another 5. I'm leaving for Europe on Tuesday, so when I get back, I may do that. On Monday, I call DirecTV to turn off my satellite. When I get back in August, I will see how long I can live without it. They will only turn it off once a year.

WPTV 79% but there seems to be a few quick breakups.
WPEC 56% but I hope there is hope next week.
WTCE 90% but I don't watch this station on Channel 21-1
WPBF 90% but I don't like their news
WFLX 86%
WTVX 79% but the reception is good on all four channels
WXEL 82% but there seems to be a few quick breakups, last night no reception. I think the Orlando station is causing the breakups.
Channel 61 reception was better when the antenna was in the attic go figure
Channel 67 86% but I never watch it

If Ion goes bankrupt, maybe channel 5 can broadcast on their channel?

What happened to that analog channel 35 that had the videos, they were low power. Low power analog stations did not need to shut down.

In short, the only reason why I had to put up an antenna, was because of 5 and 12.

Is Channel 10 doing their local news in HD? I'm hoping to pick them up one of these crazy nights. What about Channel 7? I know 4 isn't, which is a shame.

This morning, WMOR from Tampa (ABC) was coming in at 90% strength. I think they may need to build a mountain range between Florida's East and West Coast.

I haven't received this station since DTV day either, but it is usually unreliable for me. They shouldn't have made any transmission changes as their channel didn't change and analog was already terminated.

According to the FCC web site, WXEL should be putting a much better signal into Martin County than they do. I suspect they don't have funds for proper operation and maintenance of this pathetic station.

Do you remember many years back when Miami's Channel 2 was going to put a repeater signal in St. Lucie County. Channel 5 and 12 had a fit!!!

However, a Tampa station did have a repeater signal in St. Lucie County, I think back in the late 1980's.

Is Channel 10 doing their local news in HD? I'm hoping to pick them up one of these crazy nights. What about Channel 7? I know 4 isn't, which is a shame.Yes, WPLG has their news in HD since moving into their new studios recently. Only WFOR is still SD for local news.

This morning at 6:45 a.m., I had the highest signal meter ever on a station on my television. From Fort Pierce's beach, I picked up a 94% strength.

On WPEC, Channel 12! From the weakest to the strongest!

Channel 5 is still iffy at best. The signal was around 80 to 85 and then it crashed.

I guess we could say, Channel 5 is the "Weakest Link!

Channel's 2, 4 and 7 paid a short visit, too.

Actually, the WXEL repeater signal had the weakest signal. Being on Channel 31, NBC6 from Miami was trying to come in.

WPTV 79% but there seems to be a few quick breakups.
WPEC 56% but I hope there is hope next week.
WTCE 90% but I don't watch this station on Channel 21-1
WPBF 90% but I don't like their news
WFLX 86%
WTVX 79% but the reception is good on all four channels
WXEL 82% but there seems to be a few quick breakups, last night no reception. I think the Orlando station is causing the breakups.
Channel 61 reception was better when the antenna was in the attic go figure
Channel 67 86% but I never watch it
What time of day was this? I rarely get (got) 67 or 61 in daytime unless there was helpful cloud cover. I say ‘got’ since my most sensitive STB (a MicroGEM) gave out just when I needed it most. I’m reduced to using an RCA 800B which can’t even compete with my ancient LSS-3200A. Unfortunately, my WFLX seems to have some odd multipath issue, and neither box can decode it unless it’s a really strong signal (at night), the MicroGEM could (it was much more sensitive overall too).

WXEL and WRDQ seem to be fighting it out. I never know which station will come in when I tune in (usually neither). I did notice that W44AY is back on, so I kind of hope WXEL is the one that gives in, and lets WRDQ power on in. With W31DC-D and W44AY as a backup, I don’t really need to get the actual WXEL signal. I did file a complaint with the FCC over this crazy mess.

Where are you anyway? Where is 34949?

Did anyone notice if the lower numbers on comcast are now digital, they seem less grainy but have pixalation problems

Did anyone notice if the lower numbers on comcast are now digital, they seem less grainy but have pixalation problems

I've seen that, too. All of the channels below 100 are analog, however, the transmission is digital before it's converted to analog for delivery to your TV set. The audio drop outs and pixelation seem to happen more often when there's a particularly bad thunderstorm outside or when it's very windy - I figure it's either rain fade or an intermittent connection due to overhead cables swaying in the wind. Whatever it is they need to fix it.

While we're talking about Comcastic... Now that WPTV analog is gone cable channel 5, which is Home Shopping Network, has never looked better! However, now there is ATSC signal ingress onto cable channel 12 from WPTV's new post-transition digital broadcast. The effect is a noisy haze that is superimposed over the video. Cable channel 13, which is a religious channel, has had this haze for while from WPEC-DT but I never made the connection.

Another cable channel with really bad signal ingress is 97, which is in the middle of the FM band.

Did anyone notice if the lower numbers on comcast are now digital, they seem less grainy but have pixalation problemsMine are still analog.

At 6:40 a.m. on June 15



7-1 62%

10-1 74%

5-1 82%

12-1 94%

2-1 66%

17-1 87%

4-1 80%

29-1 89%

67-1 90%



Has 12 increased their power? 94% is stronger than 34-1 or 25-1. My antenna must be aimed the right way for that to happen.

This is the first time I've seen Channel 10 in about 20 years. Our local cable stopped carrying the channel in 1990. It looks a little different without Ann Bishop.



67-1 is Strong. If Ion goes bankrupt, I recommend Channel 5 take this frequency.

Looks like Orlando's ABC9 has moved to Digital 44, which is the channel WXEL had their analog repeater signal on in Ft. Pierce.

im located in wellington and during the day time hours most of my comcast HD channels are pixilating or just black. After 6 or 7 pm it gets better. my inlaws who live half a mile away are having the same exact problems. a "specialist" is coming saturday morning to look at it but i was just wondering if anyone is having the same problems. thanks

The heat can play havoc with cable signals. If your signals are only marginal, then the heat during the day may push them out of spec and cause the signals to be too low for your cable box to decode.

The amps in the systems have automatic gain control to compensate for temperature swings but sometimes they don't work or other components in the system need maintenance.

Yet another reason to say no to the local cable co

The heat can play havoc with cable signals. If your signals are only marginal, then the heat during the day may push them out of spec and cause the signals to be too low for your cable box to decode.

The amps in the systems have automatic gain control to compensate for temperature swings but sometimes they don't work or other components in the system need maintenance.

Has 12 increased their power?

I got a nice E-Mail from Channel 12. By the end of the week if the weather is good.

Reporting from Barcelona, Spain.

Any word of FIOS coming to Palm Beach County anytime soon?

Any word of FIOS coming to Palm Beach County anytime soon?

I would not count on it as this is AT&T (Bellsouth) land and most of the fiber is theirs. Uverse is being rolled out but unlike FIOS it is Fiber to the Node not house and IPTV not QAM. I doubt Verizon will invest down here, cost too much and too much competition.

Been able to see the progress on the Channel 12 (13) new antenna on top of the tower as I drive by the tower daily.

Looks like crew is in process in placing the new antenna. No work today on Sunday but suspect they are a day or two from finishing. For those far away with signal problems, shouldn't be too much longer.

Been able to see the progress on the Channel 12 (13) new antenna on top of the tower as I drive by the tower daily.

Looks like crew is in process in placing the new antenna. No work today on Sunday but suspect they are a day or two from finishing. For those far away with signal problems, shouldn't be too much longer.

Good to hear, WPEC has always been viewable OTA in South Broward and needs to return to that status. WPTV, WFLX, WPXP, and WXEL are all coming in to my rabbit ears down here, WPEC needs to join the party. Too bad WPBF and WTVX are too far north for me, but I know those in Martin, Okeechobee, and Indian River Counties appreciate their signals being north of the others.

Been able to see the progress on the Channel 12 (13) new antenna on top of the tower as I drive by the tower daily.

Looks like crew is in process in placing the new antenna. No work today on Sunday but suspect they are a day or two from finishing. For those far away with signal problems, shouldn't be too much longer.
Thanks for the update.

It will be interesting to see how their signal compares with VHF 12 (5.1). For me it is now about 10% weaker using a channel 13 Yagi.

73 KC1JC

Can anyone here confirm that WPEC is still transmitting the TVGOS data? Is anyone getting a working guide with listings?

I have been without TVGOS for over three months. According to an engineer I emailed there after I lost my listings, WPEC12 is supposed to be "Accurately" transmitting this data. He claims to be getting his data OTA via the DTVPal though I haven't written him lately.
I am on Comcast basic-no box.

Robin

I have been without TVGOS for over three months. According to an engineer I emailed there after I lost my listings, WPEC12 is supposed to be "Accurately" transmitting this data. He claims to be getting his data OTA via the DTVPal thought I haven't written him lately.
I am on Comcast basic-no box.

Robin

Thanks. I have been without TVGOS since late October. WFOR4 and Macrovision both insist that they have customers who are receiving the guide data OTA.

Can anyone here confirm that WPEC is still transmitting the TVGOS data? Is anyone getting a working guide with listings?

I don't know who transmits TV guide data, but I can display a program schedule from all of the local channels via TV ( not using Comcast STB )

I'm now getting WPEC-DT in South Broward with my rabbit ears. Is the work to upgrade their signal now done?

I'm now getting WPEC-DT in South Broward with my rabbit ears. Is the work to upgrade their signal now done?

I noticed the new antenna on the tower and all the support structure gone.
Perhaps they fired it up.

Now I wish I could get TVGOS from either WPEC or WFOR but haven't seen it since the DTV transition.

I noticed the new antenna on the tower and all the support structure gone.
Perhaps they fired it up.
Apparently they did. Their signal is a bit stronger than VHF 12(5.1). Whereas before it was a bit weaker.

Don't know why they are keeping this a secret, couldn't find anything on their web site. Aren't they supposed to be a communication company?

I have lost WPEC-DT in about the last hour. I was getting it solidly for the last few days, but now nothing. Is it out?

Their website mentions their upgrade, but not much else: http://www.cbs12.com/sections/signal/

I have lost WPEC-DT in about the last hour. I was getting it solidly for the last few days, but now nothing. Is it out?

Their website mentions their upgrade, but not much else: http://www.cbs12.com/sections/signal/
Me too. Last night it was stronger than WPTV, and I’ve never seen it that way before. This morning, nothing.

question on COMCAST and HD-quality...

I rarely if ever watch live TV, I watch what the DVR has already recorded (I HATE commercials)... I have noticed tho, near all of my HD recordings seem to have lower quality than what I would expect. in varying degrees, most of them seem to have some "blurriness" for lack of better word. dunno how best to describe but its like watching lower quality AVI, where similar colors next to each other seem to blur together and form kinda circles and wave patterns. the picture is not nearly as crisp as what I would expect from true HD signal. I notice this on several channels and recordings and not just one. perhaps it is just certain shows?

for example I know it happens when I watch a recorded episode of NCIS (recorded from comcasts's CBS-HD on tuesday nights). on facial close-ups and in out-of-focus backgrounds of walls for example, I can see some "waviness" and color blurring.

again this is on DVR so I believe everything is recorded/time-shifted rather than "live", correct? so maybe that contributes? anybody else experience this in Comcast DVR? (I am located military trail/18th street, south boca, if that makes a difference)

Patrick,

Does it kinda look like the image on the right in this link?

http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=posterization

If it does, it is commonly known as banding, false contouring or posterization and it's most likely cause is the reduced bit-depth from the compression scheme Comcast is using. I see this quite often now whether I'm watching live tv or the dvr. Sometimes it can also be caused by your display, STB or other sources you may use.

Patrick,

Does it kinda look like the image on the right in this link?

http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=posterization

If it does, it is commonly known as banding, false contouring or posterization and it's most likely cause is the reduced bit-depth from the compression scheme Comcast is using. I see this quite often now whether I'm watching live tv or the dvr. Sometimes it can also be caused by your display, STB or other sources you may use.

yep, thats pretty near it tho not "that" bad but noticeble at least by me. and its not everything it happens on. someone else told me that CBS broadcasts use lower quality HD than ABC for instance (720p vs 1080i?) so such an effect would be more noticeable on CBS shows?

my display is a lcd toshiba 37HL95 with 1366x768 resolution. would that in any way make this effect more likely to occur?

I have lost WPEC-DT in about the last hour. I was getting it solidly for the last few days, but now nothing. Is it out?

Their website mentions their upgrade, but not much else: http://www.cbs12.com/sections/signal/Thanks, that's something, but it is a very weak effort.

I have lost WPEC-DT in about the last hour. I was getting it solidly for the last few days, but now nothing. Is it out?

Their website mentions their upgrade, but not much else: http://www.cbs12.com/sections/signal/I checked WPEC this AM and I am now receiving it at as 13.1. My guide data has disappeared also. This seems to be related to the incorrect channel decode, as I haven't had guide problems in the past.

I checked WPEC this AM and I am now receiving it at as 13.1. My guide data has disappeared also. This seems to be related to the incorrect channel decode, as I haven't had guide problems in the past.WPEC seems to have fixed their PSIP issues, as they now come in as 12-1. Signal strength is also much better. WPTV's signal is now borderline - some days it's ok, others, it's in and out.

Is anybody else having problems with WTVX Channel 34 using DirecTV HR20-700 or HR20-100? Since 6/12, I have not been able to pick up this station using my OTA antenna.

I live in Jensen Beach in a hilltop multi-story house on one of the highest points in Martin county. My first floor is 67 feet above sea level and I am guessing my roof top antenna is a good 90 feet above sea level. I have an excellent line of sight to WPB from here.

That said, I have never been able to get the WPEC signal at all. I can get WPTV on VHF and even get Miami when conditions are right. Heck, I can get Orlando and Tampa from here when I point the antenna their way. I am very disappointed in the WPEC signal here... or lack thereof.

Here is what I see:

2-1, 2-2, 2-3 WPBT Miami occasionally
4-1 WFOR Miami occasionally
5-1, 5-2 WPTV WPB 50% but solid
6-1, 6-2, 6-2 WTVJ Miami occasionally
7-1, 7-2 WSVN Miami occasionally
10-1 WPLG Miami rarely
12-1, 12-2 WPEC WPB never, ever
21-1, 21-2, 21-3, 21-4, 21-5 some religious station 95%
25-1, 25-2 WPBT WPB 90%
29-1, 29-2 WFLX WPB 80%
33-1 WBPS Miami occasionally
34-1, 34-2, 34-3, 34-4 WTVX WPB 90%
39-1 WSFL Miami occasionally
42-1, 42-2, 42-3, WXEL WPB 80%
61-1, 61-3, 61-3 some religious station 95%
63-1 WBEC Miami rarely
67-1, 67-2, 67-3 WPXP WPB 80%

I am thinking about adding a Channel Master 7777 preamp at the antenna. Can I expect to receive WPEC with this addition or is this a lost cause? I see Joel in Palm City can get WPEC so I am holding out some hope.

Bill

I live in Jensen Beach in a hilltop multi-story house on one of the highest points in Martin county. My first floor is 67 feet above sea level and I am guessing my roof top antenna is a good 90 feet above sea level. I have an excellent line of sight to WPB from here.

That said, I have never been able to get the WPEC signal at all. I can get WPTV on VHF and even get Miami when conditions are right. Heck, I can get Orlando and Tampa from here when I point the antenna their way. I am very disappointed in the WPEC signal here... or lack thereof.

Here is what I see:

2-1, 2-2, 2-3 WPBT Miami occasionally
4-1 WFOR Miami occasionally
5-1, 5-2 WPTV WPB 50% but solid
6-1, 6-2, 6-2 WTVJ Miami occasionally
7-1, 7-2 WSVN Miami occasionally
10-1 WPLG Miami rarely
12-1, 12-2 WPEC WPB never, ever
21-1, 21-2, 21-3, 21-4, 21-5 some religious station 95%
25-1, 25-2 WPBT WPB 90%
29-1, 29-2 WFLX WPB 80%
33-1 WBPS Miami occasionally
34-1, 34-2, 34-3, 34-4 WTVX WPB 90%
39-1 WSFL Miami occasionally
42-1, 42-2, 42-3, WXEL WPB 80%
61-1, 61-3, 61-3 some religious station 95%
63-1 WBEC Miami rarely
67-1, 67-2, 67-3 WPXP WPB 80%

I am thinking about adding a Channel Master 7777 preamp at the antenna. Can I expect to receive WPEC with this addition or is this a lost cause? I see Joel in Palm City can get WPEC so I am holding out some hope.

BillThe only channel you receive that is related to WPEC is WPTV as they are on adjacent VHF channels with nearby antennas. Since you only receive WPTV at 50%, I suspect you are using a poor antenna for VHF 12 & 13 as you have no problems with UHF WPB transmitters. ( Note: 25 and 34 transmit from Martin County )

With your antenna height, you should have no problem with this station. What kind of antenna are you using?

The only channel you receive that is related to WPEC is WPTV as they are on adjacent VHF channels with nearby antennas. Since you only receive WPTV at 50%, I suspect you are using a poor antenna for VHF 12 & 13 as you have no problems with UHF WPB transmitters. ( Note: 25 and 34 transmit from Martin County )

With your antenna height, you should have no problem with this station. What kind of antenna are you using?

Joel,

I am using a Wineguard HD7698P antenna.

Bill

Joel,

I am using a Wineguard HD7698P antenna.

Bill

Should be good for WPEC. I agree, try a pre-amp.

Good luck.

Hi,

I just moved in yesterday to the apartment complex villa lago in renaissance commons (just west of 95 on congress). Basic cable is included in the rent from beyond communications (a pass-thru for Dish Network). So I was going over all my HD channels and pretty excited as I get about every channel in HD that I could possibly want but then I realized I do not have CBS HD. I guess it is WPEC- channel 12 here. I have read a couple of the issues on here with their signal not being strong enough for the antenna to pick it up. I'm not too tech savy though and really just want to know how I can possibly watch the gators in HD when they play in the 3:30 time slot on CBS. Please Help me!!!

Now I wish I could get TVGOS from either WPEC or WFOR but haven't seen it since the DTV transition.

According to Macrovision TVGOS should be available on WPEC. However, I have had zero success getting listings via Comcast Basic (no box) for over four months.

What unit do you have and which version of TVGOS does it use? Analog dependent devices (usually version 7 and below) require a special pass through at the Host channel and then again at the cable head end which may or may not be present and active.

One of the broadcast engineers at WPEC has an LG LST 3410a which he reports is getting listings via an OTA antenna and a DTV Pal. This LG unit has version 7 TVGOS. I, too own the exact unit he has but no luck so far. I also have a Philips HDRW720 which is also a version 7 device but no listings there either.

Have you tried contacting Macrovision? This can be a little difficult but let me know, I still have a link that was still working not long ago. I am suspicious that their data may be incomplete for version 7 devices on Comcast's Basic cable but some version 8 and up users are reporting no problems via Comcast.

I had some success by contacting the broadcast engineers via WPEC's website a few months ago so you might try that. I gave up a few weeks ago and bought a TIVO so I haven't tried to get them to look at this issue lately.

Good Luck and keep us posted! You can PM me if you wish.

Robin

Hi,

I just moved in yesterday to the apartment complex villa lago in renaissance commons (just west of 95 on congress). Basic cable is included in the rent from beyond communications (a pass-thru for Dish Network). So I was going over all my HD channels and pretty excited as I get about every channel in HD that I could possibly want but then I realized I do not have CBS HD. I guess it is WPEC- channel 12 here. I have read a couple of the issues on here with their signal not being strong enough for the antenna to pick it up. I'm not too tech savy though and really just want to know how I can possibly watch the gators in HD when they play in the 3:30 time slot on CBS. Please Help me!!!

WPEC is in some kind of contract dispute with Dish Network. They were running spots a couple of weeks ago asking their viewers to call Dish and demand their CBS HD. In the mean time you can watch with an antenna as WPEC's signal is very strong at your location. A passive "rabbit ears" type is more than enough, available at Radio Shack in the mall.

WPEC is in some kind of contract dispute with Dish Network. They were running spots a couple of weeks ago asking their viewers to call Dish and demand their CBS HD. In the mean time you can watch with an antenna as WPEC's signal is very strong at your location. A passive "rabbit ears" type is more than enough, available at Radio Shack in the mall.

I get the regular SD channel but you're saying I can get HD w/ an antenna? I will go purchase one tomorrow..it plugs right into the back of my cable box and it will appear in my guide as a channel I receive?

I get the regular SD channel but you're saying I can get HD w/ an antenna? I will go purchase one tomorrow..it plugs right into the back of my cable box and it will appear in my guide as a channel I receive?

Yes, you can get HD with just an antenna! The antenna should be connected directly to your TV's "ANTENNA" or "RF IN" connector, it's a screw-on type jack just like the one your cable box probably has for its "CABLE IN" connector. You don't need the cable box for over-the-air TV, over-the-air TV is totally separate from your cable TV service. Over-the-air channels will not show up in your cable box's TV guide unless they come over the cable and are part of the cable TV service. (If your cable box connects to your TV with a HDMI or other type of cable then the "ANTENNA" or "RF IN" on your TV is probably unused at the moment, which means that after connecting an antenna directly to the TV you'll be able to switch back and forth between cable TV and over-the-air TV with your TV's remote control.)

Your TV has to be a newer one with a built-in digital "ATSC" tuner to get over-the-air HD. Assuming that your TV has a digital tuner, once you have the antenna connected you'll have to set the TV's tuner to its over-the-air mode and "scan for channels". It will be in a menu somewhere, you may want to Google for your TV's instruction manual for directions on how to do this and to verify that your TV has a digital tuner.

All you need to buy is one of the the cheaper loop antenna / rabbit ears combination antennas. "Amplified" antennas aren't needed at your location, which is less than 10 miles away from WPEC's transmitter tower. This one should do the job:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103077

Make sure that you extend the "rabbit ears" about 2/3 of the way out for the best reception of WPEC. You may need to experiement with the orientation of the antenna rods and the position of the antenna for the best reception.

I know this is REEEEEAAAAAAAALLy strange but....

...when watching OTA HD with my powered antennas (one for the Sammy one for my other tuner, one antenna in attic and one table top), I have to UNPLUG the AC power to the antenna to get WPEC/12...then some of the other channels don't come in...go figure...you might try it...maybe some of you'll get lucky too...
...this is true whether I pull it in on 12 or 13 (though I've been going back and forth on THIS for months, it seems stable on 12 for now)...
I live off of Summit between Haverhill and Jog...

Greetings from Scotland! I sent Channel 5 an E-mail last week that there had been a few hours when a skip in the air had caused the station in Tampa that broadcasts on Channel 5 to totally knock out WPTV for an hour on two different occasions. This happened once during the morning hours and once during the evening hours. This is Channel 5's response.

"As I indicated in my several e-mail exchanges with you in the past, we have no plans or a budget for the installation and maintenance of repeaters.

Low VHF channels are not recommended for digital transmissions by the experts and the FCC, except in special circumstances because of several, serious problems uniquely affecting those channels. That is why there are so few of them. Downgrading to CH5 digital would cost us well over a million dollars with installation and would result in a loss of viewers.

We have no control over the designations of the various television markets.

Your antenna seem to have deficient front to back ratio and undesirable side lobes if you can pick up Orlando stations that interfere with our signal while aimed towards our transmitter in Lake Worth. As far as our past CH55DT reception at your location is concerned, as I recall, you were complaining about it then and you were recommending changes how we should improve coverage.

The ION station's antenna is mounted on our tower and their transmitter is next to ours and their signal is not interfered with at your location. Being a UHF station, their authorized Effective Radiated Power (ERP) is one million watts, much much higher then that of any VHF station's. We are broadcasting with 100% maximum authorized power and as I mentioned in my previous e-mail our signal strength and coverage is better than that of WPEC and there is nothing we could do to exceed the FCC specifications, authorizations and coverage. Our tower is much taller (over 300' taller) than theirs, also. That is why they need more power for equivalent coverage similar to ours. Obviously, there might be deviations in the quality of reception at various locations/times caused by the transmitter frequencies used, obstacles unique to those frequencies and constantly changing weather patterns, natural phenomenon, etc. especially in fringe areas like Fort Pierce. With our new transmitter and antenna our coverage extends from Vero Beach to Dade County. Below are the signal strengths for Fort Pierce of CH5, CH12 and CH67. All are usable signals with the proper equipment/set-up. The less minus the better. (also: +6 dBm change indicates double the signal, -6dBm change indicates half the signal.)

VHF CH5 (12): -74 dBm, VHF CH12 (13): -79dBm (weakest) UHF CH67 (36): -64dBm (strongest)

Thank you for your suggestions, but unfortunately, they are beyond our abilities to proceed with them at this time.
Should you have any more questions, you may call me. My services are available at your convenience.

John Falvi transmitter engineer"

I know this is REEEEEAAAAAAAALLy strange but....

...when watching OTA HD with my powered antennas (one for the Sammy one for my other tuner, one antenna in attic and one table top), I have to UNPLUG the AC power to the antenna to get WPEC/12...then some of the other channels don't come in...go figure...you might try it...maybe some of you'll get lucky too...
...this is true whether I pull it in on 12 or 13 (though I've been going back and forth on THIS for months, it seems stable on 12 for now)...
I live off of Summit between Haverhill and Jog...
You can have too much power which can causes the tuner to not be able to decipher the signal. Turning off the amp in the antenna attenuates the signal enough for the tuner to display the signal correctly.

According to Macrovision TVGOS should be available on WPEC. However, I have had zero success getting listings via Comcast Basic (no box) for over four months.

What unit do you have and which version of TVGOS does it use? Analog dependent devices (usually version 7 and below) require a special pass through at the Host channel and then again at the cable head end which may or may not be present and active.

One of the broadcast engineers at WPEC has an LG LST 3410a which he reports is getting listings via an OTA antenna and a DTV Pal. This LG unit has version 7 TVGOS. I, too own the exact unit he has but no luck so far. I also have a Philips HDRW720 which is also a version 7 device but no listings there either.

Have you tried contacting Macrovision? This can be a little difficult but let me know, I still have a link that was still working not long ago. I am suspicious that their data may be incomplete for version 7 devices on Comcast's Basic cable but some version 8 and up users are reporting no problems via Comcast.

I had some success by contacting the broadcast engineers via WPEC's website a few months ago so you might try that. I gave up a few weeks ago and bought a TIVO so I haven't tried to get them to look at this issue lately.

Good Luck and keep us posted! You can PM me if you wish.

Robin

I have two TV's that have TVGOS built in.
Both have Version 8.01 systems.

First one is a Sharp, but I'm battling with Sharp on this one. While a complete Digital TV, the TVGOS system defaults to analog. Seems like they overlooked that someday it has to default to digital. No way to switch. Waiting for second call back from Tech Support.

Other one is a Toshiba that should be working but as of June 12, lost TVGOS. That appears to be selecting the digital tuner properly. Just haven't had a chance to call Toshiba for their insight since Adv Tech Support has limited hours.

I have used the TVGOS reset and VBI codes but no luck.

On either set, I get about 45 channels OTA with a rooftop antenna and preamp and of course get WPEC and WFOR perfectly. Think I will drop each station an email to confirm they are transmitting TVGOS.

Not a big deal, I do have Directv for channel guides but sometimes I prefer to use the TV tuners.

Patrick,

Does it kinda look like the image on the right in this link?

http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=posterization

If it does, it is commonly known as banding, false contouring or posterization and it's most likely cause is the reduced bit-depth from the compression scheme Comcast is using. I see this quite often now whether I'm watching live tv or the dvr. Sometimes it can also be caused by your display, STB or other sources you may use.

OK, watching this weeks NCIS right now, off the local ComCast CBS-HD channel. and the PQ issues are there. fuzzy backgrounds, color-blurs in facial close-ups, some of the waves in background walls. as a comparison I switched over to the local NBC-HD (americas got talent) and that picture was much better. not a fair test of course, but just to prove myself that the TV itself and overall cable signal wasnt a problem

OK, watching this weeks NCIS right now, off the local ComCast CBS-HD channel. and the PQ issues are there. fuzzy backgrounds, color-blurs in facial close-ups, some of the waves in background walls. as a comparison I switched over to the local NBC-HD (americas got talent) and that picture was much better. not a fair test of course, but just to prove myself that the TV itself and overall cable signal wasnt a problemIf possible, connect an OTA antenna and view the CBS-HD channel through the same device, then reconnect the cable and view the same channel. It shouldn't be hard to do an eyeball comparison between the OTA and cable signals.

By definition, digital over cable will not be as "clean" as digital OTA, as cable will effect (e.g., compress) the signal. Except for BluRay, digital OTA is as clean as it gets.

If your cable pic isn't close to the OTA pic, you might talk to your cable provider and ask them about it.

If possible, connect an OTA antenna and view the CBS-HD channel through the same device, then reconnect the cable and view the same channel. It shouldn't be hard to do an eyeball comparison between the OTA and cable signals.

By definition, digital over cable will not be as "clean" as digital OTA, as cable will effect (e.g., compress) the signal. Except for BluRay, digital OTA is as clean as it gets.

If your cable pic isn't close to the OTA pic, you might talk to your cable provider and ask them about it.

actually i do have an antennae that I have used in the past when cable issues arose (a cheapo $25 one) and CBS was the one local network that I couldnt rcv... but anyways I was hoping others with comcast could confirm that CBS and NCIS in particular were just not HQ PQ on comcast, at least in southern palm beach/boca... since other channels seem clearer, and sport events like nascar, nba, and nfl are crystal, i am certain it is the comcast cbs feed with issues. just want more confirmation

Channel 433, CBS-HD

Looks fine to me at this moment during Dave's monologue. Looks just as crisp as NBC and ABC.

Channel 433, CBS-HD

Looks fine to me at this moment during Dave's monologue. Looks just as crisp as NBC and ABC.


"live" shows dont have as much of a problem... its shows like NCIS that I see the issues. anyways thanks all... maybe next week we can have a NCIS watching party and compare notes on what we see...

I Think I will drop each station an email to confirm they are transmitting TVGOS.
Not a big deal, I do have Directv for channel guides but sometimes I prefer to use the TV tuners.

If I were you I would drop a line to the broadcast engineers at WPEC. They have been very prompt in answering my emails in the past.

According to Macrovision your version 8 devices should be working along with my version 7 units. (see the attachment below.) Even so, neither of mine have worked properly since the end of January 2009.

Let me (us) know what you find out.

Robin

.... "as I mentioned in my previous e-mail our signal strength and coverage is better than that of WPEC" ....
I can verify that. Even after all WPEC did (if anything, I can’t tell a difference), WPTV still outperforms it, and is fairly solid in Vero unless killed by extreme cloud cover or lightning.

If I were you I would drop a line to the broadcast engineers at WPEC. They have been very prompt in answering my emails in the past.

According to Macrovision your version 8 devices should be working along with my version 7 units. (see the attachment below.) Even so, neither of mine have worked properly since the end of January 2009.

Let me (us) know what you find out.

Robin


Learned quite a bit today.
First a portion of the response from WPEC.

"We are transmitting the TVGOS on our digital channel. It is associated with program 12.1 and uses PID’s (HEX) 111, 112 & 113. Only the newer Sony TV’s and some DVR’s are capable of receiving the data. Older DVR’s and TVG enabled TV’s are not capable of extracting the TVG data out of our total data stream as they are looking for a particular line in the vertical interval - which does not exist in digital TV. "

I also spoke with Advanced Tech Support from Toshiba. They said no-way the V8 receivers will work. Its needs to be upgraded to V9 and they are blaming Macrovision for not releasing the update. I don't buy it, but that's their story. Sharp is still not returning calls.

I looked at the TV guide pdf referenced and the way I read it, its targeting cable system compatibility. Explains why those on cable can receive it as they convert it. The tuners mentioned are common in cable boxes. I think my TV's have LG tuners.

So Toshiba claims its a third party issue, not their problem but yet they were happy to take my money for the feature.

I have given up on WPEC <sigh>. I sure prefer their weather in the mornings over the clown on 5 that talks like a 1970's disk jockey or the fraternity boy on 25.

I have tried two different antennas and added a preamp but just cannot get 12-1 (RF 13) here in Jensen Beach whatsoever.

===

My first attempt was with a Winegard HD 7698P with no preamp. I added a Channel Master 7777 High Gain Preamp and got a 10 - 60% increase across the board on VHF High and the UHF I was receiving. But no WPEC at all.

I did start getting WHDT 9-1 on 44 this weekend but I have no idea if it is due to my preamp or if they have just started broadcasting. Doesn't look like much of an "add" as they seem to only broadcast DW radio so far.

I swapped out the Winegard 7698P with a Channel Master 4228HD 8 bay antenna. My mid-band UHF stations went up in power but there was no change up or down in the VHF low or high band UHF station signals. I left the Channel Master up as the wife really did not like that 9 foot Winegard monster on the roof. I figure the wind load on that antenna during hurricanes was going to be a problem anyway.

====

Here's what I see now at 186 magnetic from here ...

2-1, 2-2, 2-3 WPBT Miami 65% at night
4-1 WFOR Miami 70% at night
5-1, 5-2 WPTV WPB 80%
6-1, 6-2, 6-2 WTVJ Miami 70% at night
7-1, 7-2 WSVN Miami 65% at night
9-1 WHDT WPB 87%
12-1, 12-2 WPEC WPB never, ever
25-1, 25-2 WPBT WPB 98%
29-1, 29-2 WFLX WPB 92%
33-1 WBPS Miami 77% at night
34-1, 34-2, 34-3, 34-4 WTVX WPB 90% to 0% this fluctuates sometimes*
39-1 WSFL Miami 65% at night
42-1, 42-2, 42-3, WXEL WPB 85%
63-1 WBEC Miami 60% at night
67-1, 67-2, 67-3 WPXP WPB 88%

===

*The fluctuation of signal strength on WTVX 34.1 made no sense to me. WPBF 25 comes from same spot here in Martin County and that signal is absolutely solid. I can practically see their antenna from my roof.

I remembered seeing posts of others losing 34 DT and wondering if they were off the air. So watching the breakup for a while I noticed a PBS signal showing up at times. Seemed to be a hint.

So I started investigating where other stations are using RF channel 34 now in other Florida cities. Low and behold I found that WUSF PBS 16.1 in Tampa is using RF 34. Turned the antenna to Tampa and there it was, Elmo and all.

Then I found WEDU 3-1 Tampa using RF channel 13... same one WPEC uses!

So while this is not conclusive, I think that the Tampa stations are what are killing me for WPEC and causing problems at times with WTVX. Sure got to wonder what the FCC was thinking in assigning co-channels in adjacent major cities.

WTVX is not that much of a loss to us ... although the kids have taken a liking to the RTN shows on 34-4 and that is not available on DirecTV or cable.

At least I can get CBS out of Miami fairly reliably here.

I use a Terk HDTVi indoor, non-amplified as a backup if the cable is out. I have no problem with 12-1, 12-2 and 12.3 (Just found it after a re-scan.) It is the old 12-2 with the weather radar. I put the antenna in the middle of my house 4' off the floor. I'm in the Martin Downs area of Palm City.

So I started investigating where other stations are using RF channel 34 now in other Florida cities. Low and behold I found that WUSF PBS 16.1 in Tampa is using RF 34. Turned the antenna to Tampa and there it was, Elmo and all.

Then I found WEDU 3-1 Tampa using RF channel 13... same one WPEC uses!

So while this is not conclusive, I think that the Tampa stations are what are killing me for WPEC and causing problems at times with WTVX. Sure got to wonder what the FCC was thinking in assigning co-channels in adjacent major cities.


I think that in this case you have too much of a good thing, so to speak, with your antenna being as high as it is. You might be able to pull in WPEC and WTVX if you mount an antenna at a location that uses the building to shield it from the Tampa stations. YMMV...

I have given up on WPEC <sigh>. I sure prefer their weather in the mornings over the clown on 5 that talks like a 1970's disk jockey or the fraternity boy on 25.

I have tried two different antennas and added a preamp but just cannot get 12-1 (RF 13) here in Jensen Beach whatsoever.
Don’t give up on WPEC. I don’t know what the problem there is, but I get it here in Vero, so Jensen Beach should be doable.


I did start getting WHDT 9-1 on 44 this weekend but I have no idea if it is due to my preamp or if they have just started broadcasting. Doesn't look like much of an "add" as they seem to only broadcast DW radio so far.
WHDT is the one I can’t get, never even scans in. Since you say you just saw it this weekend, maybe I’ll rescan for it tonight. I thought they were supposed to use 42. If it really is 44, I may never see it, since there is a local NTSC repeater for WXEL on that frequency. Brain dead FCC strikes again.


*The fluctuation of signal strength on WTVX 34.1 made no sense to me. WPBF 25 comes from same spot here in Martin County and that signal is absolutely solid. I can practically see their antenna from my roof.

I remembered seeing posts of others losing 34 DT and wondering if they were off the air. So watching the breakup for a while I noticed a PBS signal showing up at times. Seemed to be a hint.
Me too! WTVX fluctuates all the time, wildly, on my CM-7000. It never breaks up though. I just thought it was some odd thing about the CM-7000, like maybe the signal was *too* strong for it. My south antennas are fairly directional though, Tampa may not be bothering me as much as you.

It is funny that Palm City and Vero Beach can get WPEC but I can't. The orientation of the house makes blocking Tampa while seeing south impractical but thanks for the idea.

I have even tried an indoor antenna on an upstairs receiver and still cannot see WPEC.

I doubled checked WHDT and it does come in on RF 44 rather than 42. I can turn my rooftop antenna north and see that WXEL repeater on 44 from here as well.

WHDT is the one I can’t get, never even scans in. Since you say you just saw it this weekend, maybe I’ll rescan for it tonight. I thought they were supposed to use 42. If it really is 44, I may never see it, since there is a local NTSC repeater for WXEL on that frequency. Brain dead FCC strikes again.


The FCC records say that WHDT is "CP OFF AIR". WHDT-LP is a low power digital on ch. 44 in Miami, it comes in sometimes here in central Palm Beach as virtual channel 9-1. Comcast now has it as part of their basic analog lineup in vertical strech-o-vision that makes the people look tall and skinny. Has anyone figured out who "GUENTER MARKSTEINER" is and how he's paying the bills?

It is funny that Palm City and Vero Beach can get WPEC but I can't. The orientation of the house makes blocking Tampa while seeing south impractical but thanks for the idea.

I have even tried an indoor antenna on an upstairs receiver and still cannot see WPEC.


Another idea: hook up your antenna / pre=amp setup to an analog TV tuned to ch. 13. If you see anything other than "straight up snow" (compare with ch. 12, WPTV's "real" channel, which comes in OK for you) it could mean that your pre-amp is overloaded. It could also mean that you're getting interference from another electronic device, from a licensed or pirate FM station, or from something else... Beyond this simple experiment it will take a spectrum analyzer to figure out what's really going on.

It could also mean that you're getting interference from another electronic device, from a licensed or pirate FM station, or from something else...

Thank you, Acesk8er, got it working through this suggestion.

I had a small FM transmitter to broadcast an XM channel around the house on top of my entertainment center and it happened to set directly beneath the antenna. I pulled the power and WPEC came in immediately at 90%.

Plugged the FM back it and as soon as the PLL locked, it knocked WPEC back off the air.

I did try changing frequencies on the transmitter but that did not work. Even tried wrapping some shielding around it.

All I ended up having to do was move the FM transmitter around a bit so it was lower and away from the TV. Now all works simultaneously.

I would *never* have thought of electronic interference as the culprit without your help.

:D

What frequency is your FM transmitter operating on?

- Trip

106.1

also tried 87.5 but moved it back to 106.1

Your FM transmitter's second harmonic is on 212.2 MHz, and channel 13 is on 210-216 MHz. It was causing a spike in the middle of the WPEC signal that your tuner could not handle.

Glad you got it resolved. =)

- Trip

Thank you, Acesk8er, got it working through this suggestion.

All I ended up having to do was move the FM transmitter around a bit so it was lower and away from the TV. Now all works simultaneously.


Hey, you're welcome! I'm glad that you were able to get it to work. :cool:

If your setup acts up again try to move your FM transmitter to a frequency below 102 MHz, which will put its harmonic output below TV RF channels 12 and 13. Try to pick a frequency that leaves a window for all of the active VHF RF channels in our area: 7, 10, 12, and 13.

105 - 108 MHz: Harmonics on TV RF channel 13 (WPEC, avoid these FM frequencies)
102 - 105 MHz: Harmonics on TV RF channel 12 (WPTV, avoid)
99 - 102 MHz: Harmonics on TV RF channel 11
96 - 99 MHz: Harmonics on TV RF channel 10 (WPLG, avoid)
93 - 96 MHz: Harmonics on TV RF channel 9
90 - 93 MHz: Harmonics on TV RF channel 8
87 - 90 MHz: Harmonics on TV RF channel 7 (WSVN, avoid)

P.S. Your WTVX situation should resolve itself when they eventually "maximize" to 1000 kW.

Wow... second harmonics. Never would have thought that to be the problem on my own.

I moved from 106.1 even though I was able to get WPEC to come in by changing positions of the transmitter. By moving to 96.1 I actually picked up some signal strength on RF 13 so I guess I was still getting some interference.... just not enough to completely block the OTA signal.

Even if 96.1 causes the same issue with WPLG on RF 10, I at least get WPBF ABC just fne and I can still get my XM channel on the northside of the house.

Great forum help on this problem. Thanks to all again.

Another idea: hook up your antenna / pre=amp setup to an analog TV tuned to ch. 13. If you see anything other than "straight up snow" (compare with ch. 12, WPTV's "real" channel, which comes in OK for you) it could mean that your pre-amp is overloaded. It could also mean that you're getting interference from another electronic device, from a licensed or pirate FM station, or from something else... Beyond this simple experiment it will take a spectrum analyzer to figure out what's really going on.Bravo, nice work.

For those that have OTA antennas and can't get TVGOS anymore, you probably have a Sharp, Toshiba or Pana TV.

You can let the FCC know that the manufacturers advertised ATSC tuners but did not disclose the premium features like TVGOS were analog only based. The FCC had some rules on TV marketing for digital and perhaps they were violated.

Heres the link.

http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.h...e640&id=d1e735

Click on ONLINE FORM and it takes 5 minutes to fill out online. The more that write can only help.

For those that have OTA antennas and can't get TVGOS anymore, you probably have a Sharp, Toshiba or Pana TV.

You can let the FCC know that the manufacturers advertised ATSC tuners but did not disclose the premium features like TVGOS were analog only based. The FCC had some rules on TV marketing for digital and perhaps they were violated.

Heres the link.

http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.h...e640&id=d1e735

Click on ONLINE FORM and it takes 5 minutes to fill out online. The more that write can only help.

You can add Samsung to that list. According to their tech support my 3 year old TV cannot decode digital OTA TVGOS.

Strangely enough, after a 10 day hiatus I am now receiving TVGOS apparently via COMCAST.

Hi Joel Graffman!

Just wondering what host channel shows in the TVGOS diagnostics via Comcast?

I have had two DVR units, both analog-dependent version 7's, for over two years. Both worked very well via Comcast basic-no box (analog) until the end of January 2009. Now neither unit has had any listings for the last three months via Comcast.

I did the TVGOS reset as prescribed by Macrovision tech Nick on both units in late May and only one has regained a channel lineup/grid. Still "No Listings" there. The other just shows the black "There is no data for this screen."

Maybe it is FINALLY going to come back??

Robin

I'm wondering why 12-1 is local radar instead of OTA HD.

I'm wondering why 12-1 is local radar instead of OTA HD.
My OTA shows:

12-1 WPEC-HD
12-2 MI PUEBLO TV
12-3 Weather Radar

Hi Joel Graffman!

Just wondering what host channel shows in the TVGOS diagnostics via Comcast?

I have had two DVR units, both analog-dependent version 7's, for over two years. Both worked very well via Comcast basic-no box (analog) until the end of January 2009. Now neither unit has had any listings for the last three months via Comcast.

I did the TVGOS reset as prescribed by Macrovision tech Nick on both units in late May and only one has regained a channel lineup/grid. Still "No Listings" there. The other just shows the black "There is no data for this screen."

Maybe it is FINALLY going to come back??

Robin

My TV does not have a TVGOS diagnositics ability nor any method for finding what channel supplies TVGOS.

I did try a reset that I saw on the web that may have worked for me.

I entered all zeros as a zip code and let it set for a day or so. I then reentered my zip and a few days later, when querying TVGOS, I received a message asking what cable system I was using. The programming schedule was then displayed. Could have been a coincidence.

BTW, I do receive one analog channel (48), but I doubt they are providing the data.

Wow... I am house sitting for a friend who has DirecTv.

I for one think the quality of the HD feeds are much better than Comcast! Also for the pay channels they have like 5 Hd channels for HBo Showtime etc, while Commies only have like one:mad:

Also in my opinion the pic quality of the HBO,etc movie channels has much finer detail and richness than comparable channels. Is this the "1080p" marketing push that is evident?

I almost feel ripped off!!

My TV does not have a TVGOS diagnositics ability nor any method for finding what channel supplies TVGOS.

That is curious. I thought all TVGOS devices had a diagnostics screen available?? I had to experiment with mine a few times before I hit on the right menu label (YELLOW BAR) in TVGOS in which to get to the diagnostic screen. Some say go to SETUP and arrow down once and type 753 159 852 (no spaces). With my units I had to go to MESSAGES, arrow down once and type the above code. I was able to give the LG guys on the 3410a thread a way to check VBI data (code 971397135) using this method I stumbled upon! I couldn't believe they had not seen it before.:eek::D

I am fairly certain that our data is transmitted via CBS12 on our local Comcast feed but since I still have no data, I will enable channel 48 just in case.

Thanks, Joel, for your reply and another idea to try!

Robin

Wow... I am house sitting for a friend who has DirecTv.

I for one think the quality of the HD feeds are much better than Comcast! Also for the pay channels they have like 5 Hd channels for HBo Showtime etc, while Commies only have like one:mad:

Also in my opinion the pic quality of the HBO,etc movie channels has much finer detail and richness than comparable channels. Is this the "1080p" marketing push that is evident?

I almost feel ripped off!!

Directv doesn't broadcast anything in 1080p but some of the VOD movies are 1080p. But in the past year, Directv launched two new Sats, and nearly all the HD channels come down in MPEG4. Essentially Directv has no bandwidth limitations as they have been turning off older SD transponders and consolidating five sats into three for all programming.

Cable has limitations of the coax in the neighborhoods. Theres only so many bits that can fit in the pipe.

Ripped off? That's your call. Many people feel the cable tv in HOA or Condo's bundled in their monthly payments is what justifies cable.

Its a personal call. In my case, I dropped cable over 10 years ago and have never been sorry.

That is curious. I thought all TVGOS devices had a diagnostics screen available?? I had to experiment with mine a few times before I hit on the right menu label (YELLOW BAR) in TVGOS in which to get to the diagnostic screen. Some say go to SETUP and arrow down once and type 753 159 852 (no spaces).
Robin

Looked again and couldn't find it. Must be an undocumented feature, nothing in my TVGOS manual either.

I have given up on WPEC <sigh>. I sure prefer their weather in the mornings over the clown on 5 that talks like a 1970's disk jockey or the fraternity boy on 25.

I have tried two different antennas and added a preamp but just cannot get 12-1 (RF 13) here in Jensen Beach whatsoever.

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My first attempt was with a Winegard HD 7698P with no preamp. I added a Channel Master 7777 High Gain Preamp and got a 10 - 60% increase across the board on VHF High and the UHF I was receiving. But no WPEC at all.

I did start getting WHDT 9-1 on 44 this weekend but I have no idea if it is due to my preamp or if they have just started broadcasting. Doesn't look like much of an "add" as they seem to only broadcast DW radio so far.

I swapped out the Winegard 7698P with a Channel Master 4228HD 8 bay antenna. My mid-band UHF stations went up in power but there was no change up or down in the VHF low or high band UHF station signals. I left the Channel Master up as the wife really did not like that 9 foot Winegard monster on the roof. I figure the wind load on that antenna during hurricanes was going to be a problem anyway.

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Here's what I see now at 186 magnetic from here ...

2-1, 2-2, 2-3 WPBT Miami 65% at night
4-1 WFOR Miami 70% at night
5-1, 5-2 WPTV WPB 80%
6-1, 6-2, 6-2 WTVJ Miami 70% at night
7-1, 7-2 WSVN Miami 65% at night
9-1 WHDT WPB 87%
12-1, 12-2 WPEC WPB never, ever
25-1, 25-2 WPBT WPB 98%
29-1, 29-2 WFLX WPB 92%
33-1 WBPS Miami 77% at night
34-1, 34-2, 34-3, 34-4 WTVX WPB 90% to 0% this fluctuates sometimes*
39-1 WSFL Miami 65% at night
42-1, 42-2, 42-3, WXEL WPB 85%
63-1 WBEC Miami 60% at night
67-1, 67-2, 67-3 WPXP WPB 88%

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*The fluctuation of signal strength on WTVX 34.1 made no sense to me. WPBF 25 comes from same spot here in Martin County and that signal is absolutely solid. I can practically see their antenna from my roof.

I remembered seeing posts of others losing 34 DT and wondering if they were off the air. So watching the breakup for a while I noticed a PBS signal showing up at times. Seemed to be a hint.

So I started investigating where other stations are using RF channel 34 now in other Florida cities. Low and behold I found that WUSF PBS 16.1 in Tampa is using RF 34. Turned the antenna to Tampa and there it was, Elmo and all.

Then I found WEDU 3-1 Tampa using RF channel 13... same one WPEC uses!

So while this is not conclusive, I think that the Tampa stations are what are killing me for WPEC and causing problems at times with WTVX. Sure got to wonder what the FCC was thinking in assigning co-channels in adjacent major cities.

WTVX is not that much of a loss to us ... although the kids have taken a liking to the RTN shows on 34-4 and that is not available on DirecTV or cable.

At least I can get CBS out of Miami fairly reliably here.

You never mentioned the height of your antenna, but I could never get WPEC with my attic antenna and it was a large antenna. When I put it outside, about 28 feet in the air, WPEC came in at 94% strength in the early morning.

But, why, why, why, didn't the FCC have the Miami and Tampa stations on the same frequencies, the Fort Myers and Orlando stations on the same frequencies and the West Palm and Jacksonville stations on the same frequencies. The reason, I assume, is that they want people to get cable/satellite and pay the 15 percent tax involved.

You never mentioned the height of your antenna, but I could never get WPEC with my attic antenna and it was a large antenna. When I put it outside, about 28 feet in the air, WPEC came in at 94% strength in the early morning.

But, why, why, why, didn't the FCC have the Miami and Tampa stations on the same frequencies, the Fort Myers and Orlando stations on the same frequencies and the West Palm and Jacksonville stations on the same frequencies. The reason, I assume, is that they want people to get cable/satellite and pay the 15 percent tax involved.

You forgot to mention the religious stations, 21-1-5, and 61-1-4. The FCC gave them the most power and the best frequencies.

You forgot to mention the religious stations, 21-1-5, and 61-1-4. The FCC gave them the most power and the best frequencies.

21-1 is co-channel with WTTA-DT in Tampa, and 61-1 is on a very short tower and co-channel to WVEN-DT Daytona Beach.

- Trip

Somewhere I heard that WPLG, Channel 10 in Miami would be increasing their power in August. I don't remember where I heard that. Does anyone?

Somewhere I heard that WPLG, Channel 10 in Miami would be increasing their power in August. I don't remember where I heard that. Does anyone?

Check this thread in the Miami HDTV thread...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16776994#post16776994

Looks like it's already been done.

Somewhere I heard that WPLG, Channel 10 in Miami would be increasing their power in August. I don't remember where I heard that. Does anyone?

I found out where I read it. www.fcc.gov
Miami-Fort Lauderdale maps
Scroll down to the SECOND WPLG map, and the power is 156,000 watts, three times the power of WPTV. Their signal goes up to Hobe Sound in Martin County. I believe this will happen in August.

Hand pocket devices are very popular and the UHF channels will have an edge on pocket devices that pick up television stations. The FCC bases their charts on a 30 foot antenna, but how many people carry a 30 foot antenna in their pocket?

I was reading several articles on how several television stations are requesting the FCC to move from a VHF to a UHF channel. Here is one:

www.tvtechnology.com/article/83386

How many people living in the United States have a 30 foot antenna on their house? Rabbit ears and smaller antennas do a much better job picking up UHF signals.

I'm currently in London, England, and I hooked up my USB tuner to my laptop and picked up the following Analog signals in perfect quality: 23, 26, 30, 33, 42, 53, 57, 60 and 63. I recorded one show on the hard drive. No VHF's and you don't see any homes in the UK with a VHF antenna. The stations must broadcast near London Gatwick airport because my portable antenna is very small.

However, I was at the Orlando airport and tried my USB Digital Tuner and had no trouble picking a lot of Orlando stations, including 2, 6 and 9.

Keep in mind that European over-the-air digital is superior reception-wise because of their use of DVB-T modulation for transmission, rather than 8VSB as used here in the States.

Their scheme is much less prone to demodulation errors, and results in a consistently high chance of decoding an error-free digital stream, whereas the present US implementation of 8VSB is relatively easily corrupted by impulse noise, multi-path, etc.

This is one reason the VHF digital stations here are having such a difficult time being consistently received by viewers after the station's transition from a previous UHF assignment. Increasing VHF transmit power out is only a "band-aid" to attempt to get their received signal to a level high enough to overcome the newly-found anomalies.

Ian

DVB-T, I'm told, has impulse noise issues all the way into the UHF band, whereas ATSC does not have those problems. DVB-T would be 100% unusable on even upper-VHF because of impulse noise, if Europe had chosen to use VHF.

I've heard much more positive things about the Japanese ISDB-T system than about either ATSC or DVB-T.

- Trip

I've heard much more positive things about the Japanese ISDB-T system than about either ATSC or DVB-T.
- Trip

True, Trip...and that system is much more suited for mobile/portable DTV.

Ian

I just got back from four weeks in Europe and I have noticed a few things.

WXEL is broadcasting in 780p instead of 1080i. This morning, Channel 2-1 in Miami was broadcasting in 1080i. Could this be because they are broadcasting three subchannels now?

I've been getting a lot of dropouts around 6:00 p.m. on Channels 5-1 and 12-1 due to thunderstorms in the area. Quite annoying, but I hear this is a problem for VHF channels. No problem on 42-1 with dropouts.

At 5:35 a.m., on Friday, July 18, I had a 49% signal on 5-1, 80% on 12-1, and 87% on 29-1. I can only assume the problem was with those Tampa stations.

Channel 9 in Orlando is very strong comming in at 79% and this is with my directional antenna pointed south--not north.

WXEL is a big problem in the mornings but plays great from about 9:00 a.m. until I go to bed in the evening. Signal strength is in the high 80's.

I'm not getting WHDT on any channel. Why is WXEL allowed to broadcast a digital and analog repeater signal?

During the daytime, Channel 5-1 runs around 80% signal strength and Channel 12-1 runs around 78%, so there is only a 2% difference.

However, Channels 5-1 and 12-1 seem to be all over the place. I've seen Channel 12-1 as high as 94%, but I have never seen Channel 5-1 higher than 85%.

From Ft. Pierce.

WXEL is broadcasting in 780p instead of 1080i. This morning, Channel 2-1 in Miami was broadcasting in 1080i. Could this be because they are broadcasting three subchannels now?

Most likely. A number of PBS stations run their HD in 720p to help try to preserve PQ in the face of many subchannels.

I've been getting a lot of dropouts around 6:00 p.m. on Channels 5-1 and 12-1 due to thunderstorms in the area. Quite annoying, but I hear this is a problem for VHF channels. No problem on 42-1 with dropouts.

Yes, most or all VHF stations have this problem.

I'm not getting WHDT on any channel. Why is WXEL allowed to broadcast a digital and analog repeater signal?

As far as I know, WHDT is still at low power awaiting equipment to flip over to channel 42.

Analog translators, LPTV, and Class A stations were not impacted by the digital transition. This WXEL translator does not appear to have a permit to go digital, and will not be required to go digital until the FCC sets a transition date for translators, LPTV, and Class A stations.

I do wish you'd at least acknowledge my messages, even if you don't want to lend me some of your time with your tuner. I'd love to have some data from it. :)

- Trip

Most likely. A number of PBS stations run their HD in 720p to help try to preserve PQ in the face of many subchannels.

WXEL now has 3 permanent subchannels. One of which is a Spanish language channel that I expect they are getting paid to carry.

The video on the main channel for HDTV programs is widescreen, but of poor quality. Noticeably inferior to standard digital SDTV. The viewing experience for many of the fine PBS programs is significantly poorer.

This area would better served by public broadcasting if this underfinanced channel were allowed to go under with their hardware used to carry the Miami main PBS station.

Most likely. A number of PBS stations run their HD in 720p to help try to preserve PQ in the face of many subchannels.



Yes, most or all VHF stations have this problem.



As far as I know, WHDT is still at low power awaiting equipment to flip over to channel 42.

Analog translators, LPTV, and Class A stations were not impacted by the digital transition. This WXEL translator does not appear to have a permit to go digital, and will not be required to go digital until the FCC sets a transition date for translators, LPTV, and Class A stations.

I do wish you'd at least acknowledge my messages, even if you don't want to lend me some of your time with your tuner. I'd love to have some data from it. :)

- Trip

I really do appreciate your messages. You seem to have alot of information and are very knowledgable. Thanks for responding. Question: Who are you and what is your background?

WXEL is broadcasting a digital and analog repeater on Channels 31 and 44. Their digital repeater on Channel 31 knocks out WTVJ (NBC) in Miami, however sometimes WTVJ knocks out the WXEL repeater and their analog repeater is knocking out WHDT.

Yesterday I could not pick up Channel 61 WFGC and today they are coming in at 87%. Did they move up on someone's tower? Does anyone know if WHDT will be on Channel 5's or Channel 29's tower? With Channel 5 no longer being able to broadcasting Channel 55, the cables should be there.

I really do appreciate your messages. You seem to have alot of information and are very knowledgable. Thanks for responding. Question: Who are you and what is your background?

I'm a 20 year old UVA student who runs the website RabbitEars.Info (http://www.rabbitears.info/) and I just about live, eat, and breathe digital TV. :D I'm also currently an engineering intern at WDBJ-7 in Roanoke, VA.

I've been hoping that you, with your USB digital receiver, might be able to help me collect some data for RabbitEars on the local stations in your area, since I don't know of anyone else in either Miami or West Palm Beach with a computer tuner.

WXEL is broadcasting a digital and analog repeater on Channels 31 and 44. Their digital repeater on Channel 31 knocks out WTVJ (NBC) in Miami, however sometimes WTVJ knocks out the WXEL repeater and their analog repeater is knocking out WHDT.

Yesterday I could not pick up Channel 61 WFGC and today they are coming in at 87%. Did they move up on someone's tower? Does anyone know if WHDT will be on Channel 5's or Channel 29's tower? With Channel 5 no longer being able to broadcasting Channel 55, the cables should be there.

WHDT is supposed to be recycling the WXEL analog gear, as far as I know, which would put them on whichever tower that is. It appears to be the WFLX-29 tower.

Once WHDT moves to channel 42, the analog 44 won't be interfering with them anymore.

- Trip

Saturday at 5:30 p.m., I tried to watch the local news on 12-1 and 5-1. Due to the strong thunderstorms in the Palm Beach area, there were dropouts every five seconds. My signal strength was between 77 and 85 percent. I switched to channel 9-1 in Orlando, which is 95 miles away and watched the ABC Evening News without any breakups. They broadcast on digital channel 39.

This morning I was watching 9-1 from Orlando and I turned on my blender--no breakups. I then turned to 5-1 and turned on the blender and the picture broke up the entire time. I'm just glad it only takes ten seconds to make my morning protein shake!

The government needs to bring back channels 52-69 and allow VHF stations to switch over!

I'm a 20 year old UVA student who runs the website RabbitEars.Info (http://www.rabbitears.info/) and I just about live, eat, and breathe digital TV. :D I'm also currently an engineering intern at WDBJ-7 in Roanoke, VA.

I've been hoping that you, with your USB digital receiver, might be able to help me collect some data for RabbitEars on the local stations in your area, since I don't know of anyone else in either Miami or West Palm Beach with a computer tuner.



WHDT is supposed to be recycling the WXEL analog gear, as far as I know, which would put them on whichever tower that is. It appears to be the WFLX-29 tower.

Once WHDT moves to channel 42, the analog 44 won't be interfering with them anymore.

- Trip


The tuner is only as good as the antenna, but I am surprised that local stations are not pushing these digital tuners. Most computers will run 3 hours without electricity and there are devices that will recharge your computer from the car. The two foot antenna picked up all the major stations in Orlando when I was at the airport, including VHF 2-1 that broadcasts on digital 11. Also when the power goes out, the computer screen will light up the house. I purchased mine at Radio Shack for 49.99, but was criticized on www.fodors.com for paying too much and not purchasing one that would pick up digital in Europe.

At my London Gatwick fifth floor hotel room, I was able to pick up the following analog signals in excellent quality: 23, 26, 30, 33, 42, 53, 57, 60, and 63.

I will be at JFK in New York on Wed., July 22. Would you like a report of the stations I can pick up? I plan to give it a try.

As you have probably noticed, the West Palm Beach television market is probably the worst television market in the nation because stations broadcast from two different areas, and the NBC, CBS, Fox, and PBS stations broadcast 20 miles from their southern border an 90 miles from their northern border to take advantage of the Miami/Dade and Broward population centers. None of those four stations are able to cover more than 5% of Indian River County.

Sunday morning at 6:30 a.m. I've lost channels 5-1, 12-1, 42-1 and it appears that I'm not the only one. If you turn to analog 44, WXEL's analog repeater in Fort Pierce, it says, 42-1, no reception.

I'm still getting a 90% signal from 25-1, 29-1, and 67-1. No Miami stations this morning, but almost all of the Orlando stations are coming in, and that is with a directional antenna pointed south. 9-1 and 6-1 are the strongest. 9-1 is 89%.

So I can't get 5-1 and 12-1 in the morning due to reception problems and I don't want to watch them in the after noon due to dropouts from thunderstorms. Advertisers, I hope you are reading this!

I will be at JFK in New York on Wed., July 22. Would you like a report of the stations I can pick up? I plan to give it a try.

Thanks, but I go to NJ twice per year anyway, so I get data from there on a pretty regular basis. I'm much more interested in what you can see in West Palm Beach.

Acesk8er posted data for the stations he could receive in the Miami thread. If your tuner is compatible with that software and you're able to receive WPBF and some of the other stations he could not receive, I'd love to help you try and get that data so I could use it to get my site's data fully up to date for your area.

As you have probably noticed, the West Palm Beach television market is probably the worst television market in the nation because stations broadcast from two different areas, and the NBC, CBS, Fox, and PBS stations broadcast 20 miles from their southern border an 90 miles from their northern border to take advantage of the Miami/Dade and Broward population centers. None of those four stations are able to cover more than 5% of Indian River County.

I'm not sure I'd call it the worst market. At least WPB is flat; go look at Beckley-Bluefield WV, where the NBC can't be seen in in Beckley, the ABC can't be seen in Bluefield, and the CBS/Fox has issues with both.

That doesn't make WPB a well-laid out market, just not the worst. :)

- Trip

I found the magical spot in the room that allowed me to lock onto WPBF and a couple of other stations for just long enough to get some data. Maybe Wally<numbers> can get better readings from his location. See enclosed ZIP file.

I found the magical spot in the room that allowed me to lock onto WPBF and a couple of other stations for just long enough to get some data. Maybe Wally<numbers> can get better readings from his location. See enclosed ZIP file.

Thanks!

Is there a magical spot that will get you WSVN-7, WPLG-10, and/or WHDT-LD 44? Less likely, but how about WFUN-LD 48? :)

- Trip

Anyone hearing an audio echo effect from WPTV? I seem to hear it only on commercials as far as I can tell. It's not all of them, just some.

I first thought it was some new commercial production method to get your attention but now I think it's something with WPTV's audio. I have heard it on their HD channel and analog from Comcast.

Thanks!

Is there a magical spot that will get you WSVN-7, WPLG-10, and/or WHDT-LD 44? Less likely, but how about WFUN-LD 48? :)

- Trip

I posted data for the "low power" UHF LPTV's in the Miami thread. 44 and 48 come in with the slightest propagation enhancement while the "full power" VHF's require a major band opening for me to be able to receive them. 48 comes in before anything else - go figure...

Anyone hearing an audio echo effect from WPTV? I seem to hear it only on commercials as far as I can tell. It's not all of them, just some.

I also hear an echo. No echo on WTVJ.

I posted data for the "low power" UHF LPTV's in the Miami thread. 44 and 48 come in with the slightest propagation enhancement while the "full power" VHF's require a major band opening for me to be able to receive them.

Got them. :)

Too bad; I would hope that you can get them in at some point. :D

- Trip

Comcast has added HBO/HD to VOD.:)

I just noticed that Orlando's NBC2 (digital 11) is broadcasting their local news on both digital 11 and on the CW18 (digital 17). I wonder if people in the Orlando area were having trouble picking up the VHF channel? The Orlando market is a hugh market in area. And with only one VHF station in Orlando, maybe a lot of people never purchased a VHF antenna?

Down here, in So FL, the CW stations have always gotten their news feeds from one of the network affiliated stations. I can't remember which station serves which CW affiliate in West Palm or Miami, but I do know that they do the newscasts for those stations.

So, what you're seeing in Orlando isn't that unusual. The only exception is that the CW stations down here usually do their newscasts at 10 PM instead of 11 PM.

Yes, but the Channel 2 logo was everywhere, it was the channel 2 announcers, and they were broadcasting on both stations at the same time. 6:30 a.m.

Tonight, I had a little time to burn so I rotated the outdoor antenna to the north for the first time in a long time. I used to have some success pulling in some Orlando stations from time to time but I was very surprised when I got several stations I had never seen before:

Channel 4-1 Jacksonville
WAWS 30-1 Jacksonville
47-1 Jacksonville

These came in strong- sometimes with higher "strength" ratings than their local equivalents. I checked the distance and Jacksonville is 260 miles away from my antenna. Then, I checked the state radar and it looked relatively clear (if these signals are bouncing off a thin band of clouds about halfway between here and there, I'll be pretty impressed).

I also had a number of Orlando-area stations lock. One of the favorites is 18-1 (an Orlando CW). Why a favorite? Because they appear to be broadcasting their syndicated shows in HD. I noticed Seinfeld, Raymond, King of Queens were all in widescreen HD.

Probably just some tropospheric ducting but I thought we had to have some obvious cloud cover for that (especially for Jacksonville stations).

Displayed it for about 2 weeks. Now it has disappeared again.

The Rays - White Sox game this afternoon, as usual, was not broadcast on the HD feed from Comcast. It was history available only in SD:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/07/23/buehrle.cnn/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Displayed it for about 2 weeks. Now it has disappeared again.

Mine has yet to return at all. Please keep us posted!
Robin

Tonight, I had a little time to burn so I rotated the outdoor antenna to the north for the first time in a long time. I used to have some success pulling in some Orlando stations from time to time but I was very surprised when I got several stations I had never seen before:

Channel 4-1 Jacksonville
WAWS 30-1 Jacksonville
47-1 Jacksonville

These came in strong- sometimes with higher "strength" ratings than their local equivalents. I checked the distance and Jacksonville is 260 miles away from my antenna. Then, I checked the state radar and it looked relatively clear (if these signals are bouncing off a thin band of clouds about halfway between here and there, I'll be pretty impressed).

I also had a number of Orlando-area stations lock. One of the favorites is 18-1 (an Orlando CW). Why a favorite? Because they appear to be broadcasting their syndicated shows in HD. I noticed Seinfeld, Raymond, King of Queens were all in widescreen HD.

Probably just some tropospheric ducting but I thought we had to have some obvious cloud cover for that (especially for Jacksonville stations).

Interesting. Maybe that is what is causing problems with 5-1 and 12-1. I thought it might be Tampa.

I think it was just a fluke. While those signals were very strong that night, they've since dropped completely off the scale. 260 miles is just too far (I've heard under about 100 miles is pushing the limit for a stable signal).

I'd give much more weight to your Tampa theory.

The Orlando stations continue to come in pretty well.

I just noticed HBO HD On Demand is now listed finally on Comcast Channel 1, under HD On Demand > Premium Channels. All the series (including True Blood, Entourage, Hung, Bill Marr, etc.), all the HBO specials and documentaries, and a good number of movies are all there listed in HD and are available now on demand for HBO customers. Previously, only Showtime, Encore/Movieplex, Stars and Cinemax had HD on demand programming.

any idea of when new HD channels are coming to Comcast?

any idea of when new HD channels are coming to Comcast?
No, but the last time there were some added to this system was in October '08.:mad:

So what channels did we get in the future. ;)

I think we will not get anything new till they start reclaiming more of the analog channel space.

I think it was just a fluke. While those signals were very strong that night, they've since dropped completely off the scale. 260 miles is just too far (I've heard under about 100 miles is pushing the limit for a stable signal).

I'd give much more weight to your Tampa theory.

The Orlando stations continue to come in pretty well.

Is WRDQ which is broadcasting on digital channel 27 causing problems for you with WXEL, which also broadcasts on digital channel 27? I wonder how far south the problem goes.

No 42 comes in strong, but 27 doesn't at all. I believe that 27 used to have the digital channel on analog 14, and I could get that pretty regularly. I wish they were still there, as I liked getting 27 when it was available.

This is from 10/14/2008:

We have three new HD channels: ABC Family, Disney Channel, and the Science Channel! Also, I read somewhere that iNDemand anounced it will be terminating its Mojo HD network. No word if and what will replace it.

That was the last time Comcast added an HD Channel. It's so awesome that they're adding more channels at the rate they're doing it. :rolleyes:

In an article called "VHF TV Channels Still Attractive" dated 7/30/09: http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/84714, there is an interesting reference to "I found a number of applications filed for former full service analog channels. AsiaVision picked up NBC's Channel 4 in Washington D.C., and Budd Broadcasting grabbed former Miami analog Channel 33 for use in Palm Beach, Florida."

I wonder if this will result in a new DTV channel for the WPB market?

Don't look for much. Budd likes to build stations, license them, and then take them silent until he can find someone to buy them. See WGVT in Gainesville for details.

- Trip

I'm having reception issues, despite living in Jupiter, no more than 25 miles from most broadcast towers. During a recent trip to the attic, I found an amplifier hooked into the cable lines, which I no longer use.

I'm wondering if using it could help boost reception. It's listed as VHF/FM 12db, 50-450 Mhz. I tried installing it just before my tuner (Zinewell ZAT-600HD..first gen chipset), and it didn't help. Wondering if hooking it up in the attic, where my antenna (a Winegard HD 1080 VHF/UHF) is installed, might work.

Being that it's listed as VHF/FM I kind of doubt it, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

The only channels I'm having issues with are 42 and 34, and sometimes 29. I get 5,12,25 and 67 regularly without problem.

Best answer is just try it and see what happens.

I've got an outdoor antenna with a similar amp. Using the amp, I used to pull in more stations (from farther away). But I noticed that some near stations seemed to have problems when the signals were amped. So I removed the amp and all the local stations seemed more stable (but I have a harder time with stations from Miami & Orlando now).

My experiences were prior to the digital changeover, so I'm somewhat itching to give it another try. I've noticed somewhat better reception for some channels since the changeover, and I've been pulling in some distant stations without the amp lately.

But back to your situation: it shouldn't be that hard to cable in the preamp and give it a try. I hope it helps you.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/316160-Comcast_Jumping_To_101_HD_Channels_In_Washington_State.php

Comcast is reclaiming analog channels for digital spectrum in a nation-wide initiative coded-named "Project Cavalry". The reclaimed channel spectrum will make it possible for Comcast to stream "hundreds" of HD digital channels to subscribers. Comcast systems in Washington State, San Franscico, Portland, Ore., Philadelphia and New Jersey have already gotten the new HD channels as part of Project Cavalry.

New channels being added to Comcast systems that are included as part of Project Cavalry are BET HD, Biography Channel HD, Bravo HD, Cartoon Network HD, CBS College Sports HD, CNBC HD, Comedy Central HD, Disney XD HD, E! HD, Encore HD, ESPN News HD, Fox Business Network HD, Fox News Channel HD, FX HD, IFC HD, Lifetime HD, MGM HD, MLB Network HD, MSNBC HD, MTV HD, NBA TV HD, NHL Network HD, Nickelodeon HD, Outdoor Channel HD, QVC HD, Speed HD, Travel Channel HD, VH1 HD, WE HD, The Weather Channel HD, ESPNU HD, MTV HD, Comedy Central HD, MSNBC HD, Big Ten Network HD and Tennis Channel HD.

When are we getting it? According to multichannelnews.com, "The company expects to spend $1 billion on the digital conversion, targeted for completion nationwide by the end of 2010."

When are we getting it?
Good question...

http://www.multichannel.com/article/316160-Comcast_Jumping_To_101_HD_Channels_In_Washington_State.php

Comcast is reclaiming analog channels for digital spectrum in a nation-wide initiative coded-named "Project Cavalry". The reclaimed channel spectrum will make it possible for Comcast to stream "hundreds" of HD digital channels to subscribers. Comcast systems in Washington State, San Franscico, Portland, Ore., Philadelphia and New Jersey have already gotten the new HD channels as part of Project Cavalry.

New channels being added to Comcast systems that are included as part of Project Cavalry are BET HD, Biography Channel HD, Bravo HD, Cartoon Network HD, CBS College Sports HD, CNBC HD, Comedy Central HD, Disney XD HD, E! HD, Encore HD, ESPN News HD, Fox Business Network HD, Fox News Channel HD, FX HD, IFC HD, Lifetime HD, MGM HD, MLB Network HD, MSNBC HD, MTV HD, NBA TV HD, NHL Network HD, Nickelodeon HD, Outdoor Channel HD, QVC HD, Speed HD, Travel Channel HD, VH1 HD, WE HD, The Weather Channel HD, ESPNU HD, MTV HD, Comedy Central HD, MSNBC HD, Big Ten Network HD and Tennis Channel HD.

When are we getting it? According to multichannelnews.com, "The company expects to spend $1 billion on the digital conversion, targeted for completion nationwide by the end of 2010."

I recall a Comcast subscriber in Broward County mention somewhere here on the forum that he spoke with a tech or someone that said the transition would begin in Broward in the next few months and work its way out. Judging from how slow we are to get HD I would imagine Miami-Dade would follow but as for Palm Beach not sure but hopefully sometime after that. Granted nothing has been officially announced for South Florida.

Have you noticed that their mouth doesn't move with the words? Drives me nuts.

...of the new channels announced we've had Fox News Channel HD, FX HD, and Speed HD for a while now. As soon as they reduce the number of analog channels on the system (to about 20, if I recall correctly) we should start seeing more HD channels come online.

I just don't see Comcast harvesting the analog channels in Palm Beach County any time soon. I'd imagine we rank somewhere near some small town in Wyoming as a priority for Comcast.

I just don't see Comcast harvesting the analog channels in Palm Beach County any time soon. I'd imagine we rank somewhere near some small town in Wyoming as a priority for Comcast.
I agree and think it has much to do with us being a previous Adelphia system.:mad:

i agree and think it has much to do with us being a previous adelphia system.:mad:

+1

I live in Port Saint Lucie and WPEC comes in super in the AM.
However starting just before the 12 o'clock (Noon) news, it's signal fluctuates from 10% to 95% and keeps going out, not watchable.
My son lives 2 miles west of me and has no problems at all.
I have tried different antennas, channel 7-13 yagi antenna and currently using the Antennas Direct C-5 cubical quad antenna. Tried with and without the Channel Master 7777 amp. and 8 way splitter. Same end results. Complained to the FCC and just today they called and wanted to know if I am having the same problem. They indicated they would notify channel 12 and get back with me.
Any ideas?

I live in Port Saint Lucie and WPEC comes in super in the AM.
However starting just before the 12 o'clock (Noon) news, it's signal fluctuates from 10% to 95% and keeps going out, not watchable.
My son lives 2 miles west of me and has no problems at all.
I have tried different antennas, channel 7-13 yagi antenna and currently using the Antennas Direct C-5 cubical quad antenna. Tried with and without the Channel Master 7777 amp. and 8 way splitter. Same end results. Complained to the FCC and just today they called and wanted to know if I am having the same problem. They indicated they would notify channel 12 and get back with me.
Any ideas?

My signal in Fort Pierce (the beach) is usally around 78% for WPEC. However, in the afternoon there are thunderstorms and that causes a lot of dropouts. There have been several times where I had the signal but the dropouts were so bad, I couldn't watch the station. This is a problem with VHF (channels 7-13).

BTW, who called you, the FCC or WPEC? I'd like to tell the FCC a few things!

Last night, WPBF, Channel 25-1 (digital 16) said they were getting a new state of the art newsroom. One would think that a station could make a lot more money if they could produce a widescreen HD Ad.

As I mentioned previously, when there are lot of thunderstorms, the reception has too many dropouts, or sometimes in the early morning, I can't get Channels 5-1 or 12-1 due to signals bouncing from Tampa and Jacksonville, so 25-1 is the only choice.

Often I can pick up 9-1 from Orlando, (digital 39) which is an ABC station or 18-1 (digital 17) which has NBC2's morning news.

Why, oh why, would a station want to be a VHF. So many dropouts. Since Ion (channel 67-1) has filed for bankruptcy, maybe Channel 5-1 will move to that channel, which is digital 36. I always get a signal of 88% to 92% on channel 67-1. The problem--I never watch it!

I want your opinion from the Boca area. Do you like WPTV, Channel 5-1 better after the digital transition when they moved to a VHF station, (Digital 12 with 50,000 watts, or did you have better reception when they were a UHF station broacasting with 950,000 watts on digital 55.

Consider reception, dropouts, and lightning.

I have not noticed much difference with WPTV since they went to VHF. My reception is about the same and haven't touched my 2nd story attic vhf/uhf antennas in years. I watch most local HD programming through cable though.

Only VHF station I have had reception issues with is WPLG after they increased their power. My signal was low and all over the place. I attributed it to too much signal or multipath but it seemed to have gone back to normal most of the time now.

I have not messed with any rabbit ears or smaller antennas since the transition.

I'm in Broward right below Commercial and WPTV is now harder to receive than before. WPEC is about the same, maybe a bit better.

Granted, I have a Channel Master 3016 on the roof pointed south, but I still pick up WPTV, WPEC, WFLX, and WXEL from the back side. WPTV is now mostly watchable, but once in a while during the day I get macroblocking. At night it's not bad at all, although it's a few bars lower than what it used to be.

For the life of me I'll never understand why WPEC wasn't given RF 12 to go along with their branding.

BTW, WSVN (RF 7) and WPLG (RF 10) are both wall-to-wall on my Sammy.

I'm in Broward right below Commercial and WPTV is now harder to receive than before. WPEC is about the same, maybe a bit better.

Granted, I have a Channel Master 3016 on the roof pointed south, but I still pick up WPTV, WPEC, WFLX, and WXEL from the back side. WPTV is now mostly watchable, but once in a while during the day I get macroblocking. At night it's not bad at all, although it's a few bars lower than what it used to be.

For the life of me I'll never understand why WPEC wasn't given RF 12 to go along with their branding.

BTW, WSVN (RF 7) and WPLG (RF 10) are both wall-to-wall on my Sammy.



Channel 12 didn't want digital channel 12 because there is a more powerful station in Tampa on that frequency so they stayed with 13. WPTV took digital channel 12 because they said, it was the only thing left.

However, when WPEC went to the FCC and asked to double their power, it was granted. When WPTV ask to double their power, it was denied.

WPEC was the winner in this ball game. Even though their tower is 300 feet shorter than WPTV's, their signal and coverage area is almost the same as WPTV's.

Same thing with Channel 29. They broadcast on digital 28 because there is a stronger station from Tampa on 29. Great choice. I've picked up that station in Fort Pierce, but I've never had an issue with WFLX, 61 miles away.