anyone else getting this this week. should be a great blu ray. unfortunatly its exclusive to best buy which means im forced to pay 30 for something that should be 20 on amazon

I think Sting has robbed us of enough money already. We knew all along (though they never said it officially until the last leg) that the tour was a money grab (There was no way The Police were going forward to record a new album, the other side of the parabulla would have been real (Translation: Commercial Failure). I guess Sting needed a few more bills to pay for his palace in Central Park West in New York City. I understood that it's one of the most expensive places in NY.

I won't pay another $35 for just 90 minutes of music. The Police had thier reign. Now it's over.

I'll pick this up. One of my favorite bands of all time and I passed on seeing them because of the outrageous ticket prices.

I saw the Police twice on this tour

they were great in New Orleans early
my sons first concert and front row was worth it
but I felt dialed it in when I saw them in Atlanta 4 months later

Copeland and Summers made it worthwhile, stings ego never seems to be in check

this blu ray will be worth picking up
there are not too many good blu ray concerts these days

NEW LIVE DVD & CD SET TO BE RELEASED THIS NOVEMBER

SANTA MONICA, Calif., Sept. 4 /PRNewswire/ -- Thirty years after they
first stormed the music scene, legendary rock band The Police,
bassist/vocalist Sting, drummer Stewart Copeland and guitarist Andy Summers,
embarked on a reunion tour on May 28, 2007. This highly successful world tour
visited five continents, played to nearly 3.7 million fans and garnered
numerous accolades from Billboard, Pollstar, as well as The People's Choice
award for Favorite Reunion Tour. It also went down in history as the third
highest grossing tour of all-time. Now, following their much heralded 14-month
reunion tour, The Police commemorate the culmination of the tour with a
special release.

On November 11, The Police will release a 4-disc set (2 CD's and 2 DVD's)
entitled "The Police: Certifiable," which contains the band's entire concert
from Buenos Aires, Argentina. In the US, this special piece -- along with
Blu-Ray version and three-LP, premium 180-gram vinyl set with MP3 file key --
will be released exclusively through Best Buy where pre-orders are already
available. In the rest of the world, the album and DVD will be released via
all retail outlets starting November 10. The United Kingdom release date for
the DVD and Blu-Ray formats is November 24.

A massive European media launch of the Blu-Ray format, in association with
Sony, DTS and the Blu-Ray Association, will take place prior to the European
release and will be attended by Stewart Copeland of The Police.

"The Police: Certifiable" is produced and directed by the award-winning
Graying & Balding, Inc. team of Ann Kim and Jim Gable, whose film credits
include the Rolling Stones, Sting, Keith Urban and Chris Botti.

In the U.S. specifically, the STANDARD set will contain 2-DVD's and 2-CD's
that include the following:

* DVD with a 109-minute wide-screen concert presented in Dolby Surround
and Stereo.

* DVD with 50-minute bonus feature, "Better Than Therapy," directed by
Jordan Copeland detailing The Police's historic reunion with exclusive
behind-the-scenes interviews from the band and road crew, plus 2 photo
galleries of The Police on tour; one shot by guitarist and photographer Andy
Summers and one by photographer Danny Clinch.

* 2 CD's with The Police's new live album from Riverplate Stadium in
Buenos Aires, Argentina, including all of the band's classics such as "Message
in a Bottle," "Walking on the Moon" and "Every Breath You Take."

The Blu-Ray format will contain:

* The 109-minute 1080 HD (High Definition) concert presented in Surround
and Stereo, in Dolby True HD and Dolby Digital.

* The special 50-minute bonus feature, "Better Than Therapy" in HD, and
the Summers and Clinch photo galleries in HD.

* 2 CD's of Buenos Aires concert.

As well as full album on VINYL, featuring:

* Wide spine gatefold jacket, contains 3 pieces of heavy weight (180 gram
vinyl), plus insert for downloading MP3's of the album.
SOURCE Cherrytree/A&M

I saw this out at Best Buy yesterday in Warwick, RI... it was $29.99, if I recall. It didn't warrant a purchase from me, though.

CC

Definitely worth picking up.

However, the show I saw here had a horrible mix. I hope they improved the sound quality. I have high hopes for the PQ & AQ.

Saw The Police on one of their last tour dates (July in Utah) and they were amazing. I have been a Police fan all my life but had never had the opportunity to see them in concert and they really brought it (as did Elvis Costello who opened). This disc is a must have for me.

I am praying the audio is really solid. Sting may be a legend in his own mind, but he is also a perfectionist and I really hope they have done this justice.

Oh, and it on for $18 in Canada!!!:eek:

Definitely worth picking up.

However, the show I saw here had a horrible mix. I hope they improved the sound quality. I have high hopes for the PQ & AQ.

One usually has nothing to do with the other. Live arena sound always has venue acoustics to deal with. What's recorded will be directly from the mics, amps. One shouldn't sound like the other.

We were interested in going but not at those prices to watch Sting and 2 people he really doesn't get along with "play" together. From the clips I have seen of some shows, it looks more like they're just playing at the same time rather than "together."

We were interested in going but not at those prices to watch Sting and 2 people he really doesn't get along with "play" together. From the clips I have seen of some shows, it looks more like they're just playing at the same time rather than "together."

I did not get that sense at all from the live show I saw them at. I thought they all seemed to be getting along, and if anything, they seemed to be having a blast and a lot of fun. It did not feel "forced" at all. And I doubt this was over money. Sting has sold out every show I have ever seen him at across about 6 states. Based on all the interviews I read, I think this tour provided closure for the band.

depends on the show, I've heard. And stewart BLASTED the opening gigs on his website after the first show.

and here...


http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/22682497/the_police_say_farewell_with_new_york_blowout


"Looking back on the long tour, each member of the trio agrees that their chemistry was lacking at the outset. "At the beginning, we were crap," says drummer Stewart Copeland. "Each one of us had our own opinion of what was wrong, which could be summed up as 'the other two guys.' " But at a certain point, the band developed a sense of humor about its 30-year-long animosities. After a screaming argument in Australia, Sting ended the fight by mooning Copeland from a moving car. "At that moment, I realized that I had no further argument," says Copeland. "I was defeated by Sting's superior logic!" During the show, Sting announced, "The real triumph of this tour is that we haven't strangled each other. That doesn't mean it hadn't crossed my mind — or Andy's or Stewart's."


Sting's son had some interesting comments before the tour..

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/a63653/the-police-reunion-rife-with-tension.html

"Sumner told Gigwise that he feared that disagreements within the band could result in an untimely split.
He said: ” We'll see if they make it through the year. They might beat each other to death. They are very passionate and have different opinions.
"I think they'll put their differences aside in order to feel like rock stars one last time."

But it has ALWAYS been like that with this band. :)

depends on the show, I've heard. And stewart BLASTED the opening gigs on his website after the first show.

and here...


http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/22682497/the_police_say_farewell_with_new_york_blowout


"Looking back on the long tour, each member of the trio agrees that their chemistry was lacking at the outset. "At the beginning, we were crap," says drummer Stewart Copeland. "Each one of us had our own opinion of what was wrong, which could be summed up as 'the other two guys.' " But at a certain point, the band developed a sense of humor about its 30-year-long animosities. After a screaming argument in Australia, Sting ended the fight by mooning Copeland from a moving car. "At that moment, I realized that I had no further argument," says Copeland. "I was defeated by Sting's superior logic!" During the show, Sting announced, "The real triumph of this tour is that we haven't strangled each other. That doesn't mean it hadn't crossed my mind — or Andy's or Stewart's."


Sting's son had some interesting comments before the tour..

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/a63653/the-police-reunion-rife-with-tension.html

"Sumner told Gigwise that he feared that disagreements within the band could result in an untimely split.
He said: ” We'll see if they make it through the year. They might beat each other to death. They are very passionate and have different opinions.
"I think they'll put their differences aside in order to feel like rock stars one last time."

But it has ALWAYS been like that with this band. :)

Yeah, I read all that when the tour first started, but this is typical of Copeland. He is a perfectionist and expects everyone else to be perfect. That said, I think it is telling that The Police made it through the tour (which I am sure they could have canceled at any point because they clearly do not need the money).

Honestly, if this BD release can capture the spirit and energy of the show I say in Utah back in July, it will be a must own for any Police fan.

Oh, I'm still getting the BD. I think sometimes the tension that is evident when they have played causes each member to play a little more like a mercenary which can be interesting.
I just think what they charged for ticket prices was really 'effed up considering their scrappy, lean post punk beginnings and Sting's VERY working class background. I saw them in the 80's at Shea, Synchronicity tour. It was clear THEN that they didn't really enjoy playing together. Stewart had had "F*ck off you C*nt!" written on his drums for years at that point. But with this tour it was like, my wife and I go see them with decent seats or pay 1/2 the months rent. I opted to wait for the vid.

:)

The show I saw in Boston (while pricey) was so worth it. I plan to get this. They were really having a great time.

Is the title available to buy right now at Best Buy?

Is the title available to buy right now at Best Buy?

It is available tomorrow (although like all things, some stores could stock it early). It is also a Best Buy exclusive. Which sucks. As you know Amazon or DeepDoscount would have it for about $5-10 cheaper.

Can we assume 16:9 (aspect)?

probably since it was shot in HD.

:)

Is the title available to buy right now at Best Buy?

It was out at the BB store I was in today. I picked it up. They had the complete display up - regular dvd version, Bluray, and LP.

Maybe it's just me, but it sure is fun to see LP's in stores again!

Dave Mack I tried to PM you but your box is full.

I thought I saw you at Shea. :D I was about 25 at the time and didn't get tickets. I lived in Mineola and a few buddies of mine and I went to the show anyway. The guards let us in near the end and we got to see at least five songs. I had seen the Police at the Nassau Coliseum for the Ghost in the Machine tour with the guy from Squeeze and the supporting singers, etc. The best Police show was the Zenyatta Mondatta tour/album. It was just the three and amazing. I have a tape of a radio show that was recorded by WLIR if you remember the station. The show took place in 79 at a small place in ROslyn called My Father's Place. It couldn't have held more than 100 or so. Great times, if I could only remember more as you can surmise why back in the day. :o

anyone else getting this this week. should be a great blu ray. unfortunatly its exclusive to best buy which means im forced to pay 30 for something that should be 20 on amazon

will be at the store 10:00am $30 it a lot but it comes with the concert on CD's which I'm selling to a co-worker to get my cost down to $20
hope it's a killer show sting owes us that much, andy and stewart always play very well imho

Dave Mack I tried to PM you but your box is full.

I thought I saw you at Shea. :D I was about 25 at the time and didn't get tickets. I lived in Mineola and a few buddies of mine and I went to the show anyway. The guards let us in near the end and we got to see at least five songs. I had seen the Police at the Nassau Coliseum for the Ghost in the Machine tour with the guy from Squeeze and the supporting singers, etc. The best Police show was the Zenyatta Mondatta tour/album. It was just the three and amazing. I have a tape of a radio show that was recorded by WLIR if you remember the station. The show took place in 79 at a small place in ROslyn called My Father's Place. It couldn't have held more than 100 or so. Great times, if I could only remember more as you can surmise why back in the day. :o

Very cool, Hugh!

I went to Shea with no ticket and circled the grounds outside while the opening acts played, (Joan Jett and REM) and eventually a scalper went down to $30. I saw the whole Police set. Supposedly that night, Sting said to Andy and Stewart that this was the last tour. He wanted to go out on top.

:)

I bought the Police Certifiable Bluray CD set for 24.99 at the Warwick RI store. Check the prices. The bluray and cds are a steal at 24.99. I think someone marked some of the Bluray copies the dvd prices by accident. I really like not having to spend another 24.99 just for the live cd set. I hope this happens more often. I think the bluray price was supposed to be 34.99. I love it when I see multiple prices on stuff like this. The bluray is a fantastic deal. Now I have to wait for my new Sony 160 gig ps3 to come in to play the bluray disc. I hope the Best Buy Store Managers don't read the AVS forums :) It was out early on Monday too. I was in the store around 8pm or so.

I watched this last night. Video quality is spectacular on my Panny AE3000u. Audio is not bad, but a little bass heavy. Overall, however, a great, great show. I saw them live on the tour, and I feel they sound better on this disc - must have been a few shows down the line from the one I saw.

Video quality = 5
Audio quality = 3.5

(Scale 1 to 5)

I watched this last night. Video quality is spectacular on my Panny AE3000u. Audio is not bad, but a little bass heavy.

Somehow with Sting being the bass player, this doesn't surprise me..

;)

anyone else getting this this week. should be a great blu ray. unfortunatly its exclusive to best buy which means im forced to pay 30 for something that should be 20 on amazon

One thing, good, there will be a TON of leftovers, if their Rolling Stones and Elton John dvd box sets, are any judge.

I watched this last night. Video quality is spectacular on my Panny AE3000u. Audio is not bad, but a little bass heavy. Overall, however, a great, great show. I saw them live on the tour, and I feel they sound better on this disc - must have been a few shows down the line from the one I saw.

Video quality = 5
Audio quality = 3.5

(Scale 1 to 5)


I hope this is not the case (audio), lets wait and see when we get some more reviews in.

what are the audio options?
are they 5.1 and 2.0 trueHD like hdd specs

what are the audio options?
are they 5.1 and 2.0 trueHD like hdd specs


Yes @ 96kHz ( only listened to the 5.1 option). What I found interesting is that all audio including special features is TrueHD:eek:

The documentary is "Better than Therapy" or something like that is excellent.

...wowza, $17.99 at FS up here... hope they've got some in stock..:)

Toronto show (first show) was really great, actually... Mind you, I had little expectation other than seeing Msr. Copeland live...

Saw Sting with Vinnie on drums in '95, in a super small venue in Marseille... THAT was a hell of a show, and figured I'd never need to see Gordon again...

...and then the Police reformed...:)

...wowza, $17.99 at FS up here... hope they've got some in stock..:)

Toronto show (first show) was really great, actually... Mind you, I had little expectation other than seeing Msr. Copeland live...

Saw Sting with Vinnie on drums in '95, in a super small venue in Marseille... THAT was a hell of a show, and figured I'd never need to see Gordon again...

...and then the Police reformed...:)


Yup, hell of a deal, showing in stock at both local stores. Will post my impressions soon. At least my shiny new Ultra will be able to pound out Stings bass lines:p

Just got back from Best Buy, watched first 3 songs. Excellant!

Is the title available to buy right now at Best Buy?

Just got home with it WOW! great show!
My subwoofer was crying I can't take anymore
you want concert demo material here it is
I want to shoot the ahole who came up with the package
blu-ray standard snap cases please! not crappy cardboard:mad:
had to hunt for it at bestbuy not in the BD section but a stand alone
kiosk

Just got home with it WOW! great show!
My subwoofer was crying I can't take anymore
you want concert demo material here it is
I want to shoot the ahole who came up with the package
blu-ray standard snap cases please! not crappy cardboard:mad:
had to hunt for it at bestbuy not in the BD section but a stand alone
kiosk


I usually don't complaint about packaging like others do but in this case the complain is justified, is that bad. No only the packing is cheap but the disc easily snap out.

...wowza, $17.99 at FS up here... hope they've got some in stock..:)


Wow, the US economy sucks these days. Look at the canucks' prices!

Wow, the US economy sucks these days. Look at the canucks' prices!

Its about time we got some deals on BD, prices here have been rediculous but alas there are lots of deals to be had if one looks around.

Its about time we got some deals on BD, prices here have been rediculous but alas there are lots of deals to be had if one looks around.

Is it $17.99 for Blu-ray with the 2 Cd's or just a Blu-ray itself?

Is it $17.99 for Blu-ray with the 2 Cd's or just a Blu-ray itself?

BR and 2 CD

...and you can pricematch at BB with the FS price, and it's then $17.49 CDN (or $14.60ish in 'Merican...)

that's 10% of what I paid for the concert...eesh.

Ok folks, for those who care, these are my first thoughts on this concert and the disc it self. I have only watched the first 40 minutes or around 7 songs. My thoughts below and scores may change after viewing the rest of the concert, I was looking for reviews and had found very few so I thought i would post a quicky review for those on the fence.

First off, these guys can really rock and what a groove it is too! The show is engaging and draws one in right off the get go. You do get the impression they are not best mates but its not as if they are playing alone, there is some personal interaction and thats fine, its the level of skill and muscianship that comes across loud and clear in this concert, these guys are at the top of their game.

The PQ is a very solid 4.5/5 for me, colours and lighting almost perfect and inky deep black levels, detail is excellent.

The AQ is also very solid indeed. The bass lines from Sting are loud and clear, tons of chest slam but VERY tight and wonderfully integrated with Copelands Kick Drum. Stings vocals are centre channel oriented of course and are superb, crystal clear with no harshness or strain. Summers guitar work is fantastic and presented very nicely and quite smooth for the most part with some transitions to center channel priority that was transitioned and executed flawlessly to great effect.

Beware those of you with less than hefty subs, this one really works the sub, big time! I dialed down the pre/pro sub db a few notches as it was really slamming the hell out of the room and over powering the rest of the track....and yes I have big floorstanders with 200wpc amps. This really would be the biggest point reducer, I also thought that in certain songs and or parts thereof, Copelands drums were not level matched at least to my liking.

My AQ score...4.25/5.

Overall Score= 4.5/5

Update...........after viewing the entire concert i have changed my scores. I am posting the new scores futher down.

Is it region FREE?:rolleyes:

Is it region FREE?:rolleyes:

Yes, both the Blu-ray and DVDs are region free.

BTW guys, if you want to ask any questions about the production, you can ask'em here and I will try to answer. I am the production supervisor on both the Blu-ray and DVD Certifiable releases. (You might remember me from the Nine Inch Nails release last year; that was last Blu-ray I worked on as production supervisor.)

Regards,
Jim

Yes, both the Blu-ray and DVDs are region free.

BTW guys, if you want to ask any questions about the production, you can ask'em here and I will try to answer. I am the production supervisor on both the Blu-ray and DVD Certifiable releases. (You might remember from the Nine Inch Nails release last year; that was last Blu-ray I worked on as production supervisor.)

Regards,
Jim

Congratulations on a nice piece of work.

Yes, both the Blu-ray and DVDs are region free.

BTW guys, if you want to ask any questions about the production, you can ask'em here and I will try to answer. I am the production supervisor on both the Blu-ray and DVD Certifiable releases. (You might remember me from the Nine Inch Nails release last year; that was last Blu-ray I worked on as production supervisor.)

Regards,
Jim
great video and sound but tell me you had nothing to do with that crappy case

great video and sound but tell me you had nothing to do with that crappy case

The case was out of my jurisdiction :) But what I will say is that the band wanted a case made out of recycled materials, and there aren't many cases or components that fit the bill for Blu-ray releases.

Can't wait to pick this up. I saw the show in the Tokyo dome. horrible acoustics, but still a fun show. then I saw it again at the Hollywood bowl and it sounded better than any outdoor space should.

Both shows I saw closed with a kick ass version of "so lonley" plase tell me that the version on the Blue ray is as good.

Can't wait to pick this up. I saw the show in the Tokyo dome. horrible acoustics, but still a fun show. then I saw it again at the Hollywood bowl and it sounded better than any outdoor space should.

Both shows I saw closed with a kick ass version of "so lonley" plase tell me that the version on the Blue ray is as good.

Since they renovated the A/V and did an acoustic redesign at the Hollywood Bowl, it's a great place to see a show. The old PA was simply not up to the task, but the new one rocks. It's an awesome venue now.

Neither Netflix or BB online has this for rent:(

The case was out of my jurisdiction :) But what I will say is that the band wanted a case made out of recycled materials, and there aren't many cases or components that fit the bill for Blu-ray releases.

the "band"? i bet it was tree huger sting, mine sits in a plastic blu-ray case anyway :-)

Neither Netflix or BB online has this for rent:(
you really think netflix is gonna buy this at full retail from bestbuy?
bestbuy gonna give a price break to netflix? fat chance on either

I picked this up today for 24.99 at the White Marsh MD store. It rang up for 31 bucks but the sticker on the package said 24.99. Excellent show...great sound. Looks like some of the long shots were filmed in SD and scaled up to HD.

Maybe another drummer will notice this...but it appears like Stewart is bit more reserved than he used to be in regards to his technique. Not as much bass drum work as he used to pull off...I have to imagine this is at Sting's request from watching the doc included on the BD. For awhile I thought Stewart might not have the chops anymore...but check out the bass notes during the freestyle section of Roxanne!!!

you really think netflix is gonna buy this at full retail from bestbuy?
bestbuy gonna give a price break to netflix? fat chance on either

:confused:



Is this a BB exclusive or something?

I picked this up today for 24.99 at the White Marsh MD store. It rang up for 31 bucks but the sticker on the package said 24.99. Excellent show...great sound. Looks like some of the long shots were filmed in SD and scaled up to HD.


Whoa! Nice score. Might have to check some NoVa stores this week.

I think this is an awsome release based on my initial evaluation. I played the first CD and somehow I think that is all I need to tell this set kicks ass for music that is.

:confused:



Is this a BB exclusive or something?

Yes. It is a Best Buy exclusive.

I haven't purchased it yet. I went to BB last night for somethingelse and it was
available for $29.99-BD version.

I've been to many Police and Sting concert over the years including Reunion Tour.
I saw them at Staples Center in L.A. I was slightly disappointed because it seemed like
they didn't have huge energy or enthusiasm together. These guys are older, but they
are not in their late 50's! I thought Sting had much more energy during Brand New Day
tour than Reunion Tour.

I am still Police/Sting fan, so I'll probably buy one soon. Hopefully price will go down by
Thanksgiving?

I saw them at Staples Center in L.A. I was slightly disappointed because it seemed like
they didn't have huge energy or enthusiasm together. These guys are older, but they
are not in their late 50's!

Actually

Stewart is 56...

Sting is 57...

and Andy Summers is 65....!



so they are.

Yes. It is a Best Buy exclusive.

Thanks. I must have missed that bit of info.

Yes, both the Blu-ray and DVDs are region free.

BTW guys, if you want to ask any questions about the production, you can ask'em here and I will try to answer. I am the production supervisor on both the Blu-ray and DVD Certifiable releases. (You might remember me from the Nine Inch Nails release last year; that was last Blu-ray I worked on as production supervisor.)

Regards,
Jim

Jimby, congrats on an amazing piece of pre and post production, simply superb work. I am blown away by how well this was done.

Regards, Chris

This is a follow up to my First impressions post earlier. After watching and for me more importantly listening to the whole concert, all i can say is WOW,WOW,WOW.

Simply a mind bending piece of pure sonic bliss, Ok the video was just as good but it is much more rare to find a disc with this kind of super high fidelity that really pulls out all the stops. This is Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds quality except with drums pounding, wicked chest slamming bass lines that never get out of control ( albeit after having to dial down the bass on my PB13 Ultra a few notches, however, my system may have been a bit hot to start with so I will give the benefit of the doubt as I am not an expert). Summers guitar work is freaking awesome and very rarely gets hard on the ears, very impressive indeed. Stings vocals are for the most part correctly leveled and almost never show any signs of compression, harhness or strain.

Video: 4.75/5
Audio: 4.75/5

Overall Score: 4.75/5

This is my go to Reference demo disc for concerts and or just simply showing off how good your system sounds and looks.

In my humble opinion, this disc sets the new standard for concert audio,

Highly Recommended!

Jimby, congrats on an amazing piece of pre and post production, simply superb work. I am blown away by how well this was done.

Regards, Chris


Just to be clear, my work on this project was confined to the actual BD and DVD disc production. But thanks anyway!

:)

-jim

Any Eastern Egg we should know about? ;)

Just to be clear, my work on this project was confined to the the actual BD and DVD disc production. But thanks anyway!

:)

-jim

Thats ok, please pass along the congrats to the whole team.

Chris

Any Eastern Egg we should know about? ;)

No easter eggs on Certifiable.

But we do have the alternate angle video on two songs, which I must tell you, was difficult to do because of the bandwidth limit constraints we were working in, and also because getting Dolby TrueHD music tracks to seamlessly work with multi-angle content can be finicky.

During the multi-angle parts, we are running two simultaneous video streams along with the Dolby TrueHD tracks - this can rapidly push you up against the total bit-rate limitations for a Blu-ray disc. (Remember, because we are running HD video instead of film material, we run at 30 fps instead of 24 fps like film content - our encoding requirements are 20% higher.)

The video compression has to be carefully tweaked to balance all this out. Kudos go to Nathan @ Eye Frame for the fantastic video compression for the project, and Joe @ MX who put this all together and authored the Blu-ray disc.

The show was directed by Jim Gable, who did a tremendous job keeping it all under control and delivering such a great looking show. There were many people who worked long and hard on this, so definitely check out the credits at the end of the concert :)

(btw, the only time that I can recall that we've ever put easter eggs on a title was for Beck - Guero DVD-Audio.)

No easter eggs on Certifiable.

But we do have the alternate angle video on two songs, which I must tell you, was difficult to do because of the bandwidth limit constraints we were working in, and also because getting Dolby TrueHD music tracks to seamlessly work with multi-angle content can be finicky.

During the multi-angle parts, we are running two simultaneous video streams along with the Dolby TrueHD tracks - this can rapidly push you up against the total bit-rate limitations for a Blu-ray disc. (Remember, because we are running HD video instead of film material, we run at 30 fps instead of 24 fps like film content - our encoding requirements are 20% higher.)

The video compression has to be carefully tweaked to balance all this out. Kudos go to Nathan @ Eye Frame for the fantastic video compression for the project, and Joe @ MX who put this all together and authored the Blu-ray disc.

The show was directed by Jim Gable, who did a tremendous job keeping it all under control and delivering such a great looking show. There were many people who worked long and hard on this, so definitely check out the credits at the end of the concert :)

(btw, the only time that I can recall that we've ever put easter eggs on a title was for Beck - Guero DVD-Audio.)

Which two songs?

Which two songs?

"Wrapped Around My Finger" and "King of Pain" both include alternate angle video of Stewart playing his percussion rig.

No easter eggs on Certifiable.

But we do have the alternate angle video on two songs, which I must tell you, was difficult to do because of the bandwidth limit constraints we were working in, and also because getting Dolby TrueHD music tracks to seamlessly work with multi-angle content can be finicky.



Guess this is why I experienced audio drop outs between the transition of some of the songs (can't remember which songs though). My player LG BH200 doesn't handle seamless branching too well. I also had audio drop outs during the branching points of American Gangster. Now add alternate angle to the list:mad:

Guess this is why I experience audio drop outs between the transition of some of the songs (can't remember which songs though). My player LG BH200 doesn't handle seamless branching too well. I also had audio drop outs during the branching points of American Gangster. Now add alternate angle to the list:mad:

Also, some older players don't handle the layer break well on BD50s, and will have a slight stutter or drop out at that point. This is a known issue with older Samsung/Philips players.

-jim

Also, some older players don't handle the layer break well on BD50s, and will have a slight stutter or drop out at that point. This is a known issue with older Samsung/Philips players.

-jim

Did you or somebody else tested the disc on different players?

Did you or somebody else tested the disc on different players?

Our developer has a matrix of players, and I do some testing as well others involved in the project. Note that just because a particular player might handle something badly doesn't mean we can fix it. We adhere to Blu-ray spec at all times, and if a player has a particular egregious problem we generally notify the manufacturer of the issue and hope they can eventually fix it in a firmware update.

The Blu-ray spec is just that - a spec. It's up to each player manufacturer to interpret the spec and implement it in their players. There will be varying degrees of success from different manufacturers.

Of course it is impossible for us to test on every single Blu-ray hardware/firmware combination, and we can't test players that are in the pipeline and haven't been released when we go to replication. So we test on the most common hardware configurations and note any specific problem. The PS3 has become one of our reference players because there are a lot of them out there, and the firmware is relatively easy to update. We like to have a completely smooth playback on the PS3 which we can then use as a reference to other players that might experience problems.

The situation can get much more complicated if you move beyond HDMV material in to BD-J or BD-Live. See the "Iron Man" release if you want to know how difficult it can be to assure compatibility when the complexity of the title goes up and the street date looms.

As you can imagine, all of this is loads of fun :)

Our developer has a matrix of players, and I do some testing as well others involved in the project. Note that just because a particular player might handle something badly doesn't mean we can fix it. We adhere to Blu-ray spec at all times, and if a player has a particular egregious problem we generally notify the manufacturer of the issue and hope they can eventually fix it in a firmware update.

The Blu-ray spec is just that - a spec. It's up to each player manufacturer to interpret the spec and implement it in their players. There will be varying degrees of success from different manufacturers.

Of course it is impossible for us to test on every single Blu-ray hardware/firmware combination, and we can't test players that are in the pipeline and haven't been released when we go to replication. So we test on the most common hardware configurations and note any specific problem. The PS3 has become one of our reference players because there are a lot of them out there, and the firmware is relatively easy to update. We like to have a completely smooth playback on the PS3 which we can then use as a reference to other players that might experience problems.

The situation can get much more complicated if you move beyond HDMV material in to BD-J or BD-Live. See the "Iron Man" release if you want to know how difficult it can be to assure compatibility when the complexity of the title goes up and the street date looms.

As you can imagine, all of this is loads of fun :)

Good stuff!! Thanks for sharing.

Is the BH200 one of the matrix of player use for testing? If you can't say that is fine. Just curious.

Anything you would have done differently on this release? Anything you would have liked to add?

Congratulations, jimby! I had preordered the set from amazon.ca but those muppets are out of stock.

Our developer has a matrix of players, and I do some testing as well others involved in the project. Note that just because a particular player might handle something badly doesn't mean we can fix it. We adhere to Blu-ray spec at all times, and if a player has a particular egregious problem we generally notify the manufacturer of the issue and hope they can eventually fix it in a firmware update.

The Blu-ray spec is just that - a spec. It's up to each player manufacturer to interpret the spec and implement it in their players. There will be varying degrees of success from different manufacturers.

Of course it is impossible for us to test on every single Blu-ray hardware/firmware combination, and we can't test players that are in the pipeline and haven't been released when we go to replication. So we test on the most common hardware configurations and note any specific problem. The PS3 has become one of our reference players because there are a lot of them out there, and the firmware is relatively easy to update. We like to have a completely smooth playback on the PS3 which we can then use as a reference to other players that might experience problems.


Tricky question:

Over here, one of the non-PS3 players with the best reputation for stability is the Panasonic BD30. Would you agree?

And also, how was the Police gig captured?

just got back from Best Buy. Opened the set and both the Blu Ray disc and on cd were floaters. grrrr.... Not the greatest packaging inside.

Good stuff!! Thanks for sharing.

Is the BH200 one of the matrix of player use for testing? If you can't say that is fine. Just curious.

Anything you would have done differently on this release? Anything you would have liked to add?

I will have to check with my developer. I don't have access to that model here, but I know that the LG players have had some issues in the past, some around Dolby TrueHD. If you let me know what problems you are seeing, if any, and what firmware you have, I will try to help.

Played flawlessly on the Panny BD-55, so far very impressed with this machine. The only issues I saw were a couple secnes where the camera is attached to Copelands drum kit and it vibrates a bit when he is pounding the hell out of them...and the best part is you can feel it too!:D

Congratulations, jimby! I had preordered the set from amazon.ca but those muppets are out of stock.



Tricky question:

Over here, one of the non-PS3 players with the best reputation for stability is the Panasonic BD30. Would you agree?

And also, how was the Police gig captured?


The Panasonic players generally have a good reputation as Panasonic is one of founding BD members and were a leader in developing the spec. They also have a long history with optical disc players.

I believe that The Police video was captured mostly on HD-CAM with a few of the non-primary cameras capturing on DVC-PRO HD. After the show was edited and color corrected, our compressionist spent another 5 or 6 weeks tweaking the show to get the best look. There were over a thousand individual scene 'tweaks' in the compression phase along with some proprietary processing that results in the show you see now.

The reason compression takes so long is that even using 16 processing cores to compress the show, each run still takes a couple of days. It's very much a compress, tweak, compress, tweak process. And it's very easy to scew it up royally at this phase, so that's why you need a very talented compressionist with a good eye!

I will have to check with my developer. I don't have access to that model here, but I know that the LG players have had some issues in the past, some around Dolby TrueHD. If you let me know what problems you are seeing, if any, and what firmware you have, I will try to help.

Thanks for offering your help. Basically audio drop outs (1 second of silence) on branching points or alternative angle points. American Gangster and of curse The Police Blu-ray are examples. Latest firmware installed, version BH02080620A. Connected via HDMI and audio set to Pass-Thru (bitstream) and video set to 1080p with Film Mode off (no 24p output).

I honestly no expecting LG will do anything but maybe if they hear the info from a Pro they might. I want to thank you again for doing this.

Thanks for offering your help. Basically audio drop outs (1 second of silence) on branching points or alternative angle points. American Gangster and of curse The Police Blu-ray are examples. Latest firmware installed, version BH02080620A. Connected via HDMI and audio set to Pass-Thru (bitstream) and video set to 1080p with Film Mode off (no 24p output).

I honestly no expecting LG will do anything but maybe if they hear the info from a Pro they might. I want to thank you again for doing this.

Our developer has an LG contact, so we're going to send a Police check disc to Korea so they can reproduce the problem. The rest is up to them :) I'll let you know if we hear back from them and what they say.

Wow this is incredible. I walked right by this yesterday while going in to buy Band Of Brothers. Read on here last night how great it was so I stopped back today after work and bought it. On the 3rd song now and am already blown away - and my TV only does 1080i

Great job on the production jimby.

Nice to see your reference was a ps3 as that's what I'm using :)

just got back from Best Buy. Opened the set and both the Blu Ray disc and on cd were floaters. grrrr.... Not the greatest packaging inside.

Mine were floaters too, but I do not care I am just happy to have it. The Police is a group that I have really liked like but have never actually been able to see in person, but now I can have the opportunity to do so over and over again thanks to this great set, and I think it is great based on only a listen to CD1. Thank you for this Police.

Yes, both the Blu-ray and DVDs are region free.

BTW guys, if you want to ask any questions about the production, you can ask'em here and I will try to answer. I am the production supervisor on both the Blu-ray and DVD Certifiable releases. (You might remember me from the Nine Inch Nails release last year; that was last Blu-ray I worked on as production supervisor.)

Regards,
Jim


Well you just sold me on this Police disc as the NIN show is amazing on BR and HD-DVD!

Thanks for offering your help. Basically audio drop outs (1 second of silence) on branching points or alternative angle points. American Gangster and of curse The Police Blu-ray are examples. Latest firmware installed, version BH02080620A. Connected via HDMI and audio set to Pass-Thru (bitstream) and video set to 1080p with Film Mode off (no 24p output).

I honestly no expecting LG will do anything but maybe if they hear the info from a Pro they might. I want to thank you again for doing this.


I just got an email from our contact at LG, and they are very interested in checking out the problem as they would like to fix it (if possible) in a future firmware update... so a check disc of The Police will be winging out to Korea tomorrow. :)

Just finished watching this concert and must say that it was flawless. The audio in particular was perfect, easily the best I have heard in a rock concert. The video was good as well only negative being a handful of soft shots otherwise it had 'pop' levels off the chart. Performance was great and I especially liked the use of real instruments by the drummer instead of the synthesizer crap one usually expects in a live performance.

The "soft" shots were due to the older, less advanced HD cameras, I believe. Not a transfer problem. A source issue.

:)

I just got an email from our contact at LG, and they are very interested in checking out the problem as they would like to fix it (if possible) in a future firmware update... so a check disc of The Police will be winging out to Korea tomorrow. :)

Great!!! Thank you very much. Make sure to give them the time code where the alternate angle begins/ends since that is where the problem seems to reveal itself.

Did any of the band member review the disc with you? What was his reaction?

Did any of the band member review the disc with you? What was his reaction?

As I rule I don't talk publicly about any interactions with artists as it can be very counterproductive. I hope you understand.

Rgards,
Jim

As I rule I don't talk publicly about any interactions with artists as it can be very counterproductive. I hope you understand.

Rgards,
Jim


I would think that if Sting didn't love it, then it wouldn't be released, besides its damn near perfect.

Just my 2cents

I would think that if Sting didn't love it, then it wouldn't be released...

Probably a safe assumption :)

Mine were floaters too, but I do not care I am just happy to have it. The Police is a group that I have really liked like but have never actually been able to see in person, but now I can have the opportunity to do so over and over again thanks to this great set, and I think it is great based on only a listen to CD1. Thank you for this Police.

All 3 discs were floaters in my Blu set. Fortunately, no scratches. Once I popped the discs in *all the way* into the spindles, they were pretty solid. Almost seems like they weren't assembled/packaged correctly, because they don't budge now.

Can't wait to see/hear this!

As I rule I don't talk publicly about any interactions with artists as it can be very counterproductive. I hope you understand.

Rgards,
Jim

No problem and now that I think about it makes a lot of sense.

All 3 discs were floaters in my Blu set. Fortunately, no scratches. Once I popped the discs in *all the way* into the spindles, they were pretty solid. Almost seems like they weren't assembled/packaged correctly, because they don't budge now.

Can't wait to see/hear this!

Batten down the hatches and hold on to your subwoofer:eek:

I would think that if Sting didn't love it, then it wouldn't be released, besides its damn near perfect.

Just my 2cents

Stewart has said that Sting won't watch himself on film or video because it will shape his performance. He prefers his stage presence to be a natural reaction to playing the music as opposed to thinking, "how will this look on camera?"

I wasn't involved in this concert video, but I know this has been the case, at least up through "Everybody Stares."

I picked this up on my why home last night. Stunning video quality. (all my disks were floaters FWIW). The audio is good but really bass heavy. Somehow my EQ had been set to Loudness (which exaggerates the bass) and it was unlistenable. Once I got my settings back to normal it sounded much better, but I still had to turn my sub down to get any sense of ballence.

I'll give it another listen with fresh ears this weekend. My sub controller has custom settings maybe I will make one just for this disk.

Ha! My middle disc - CD2 was not a floater. Must have gotten a special version.:D

Bought mine today from a local shop. Don't know if we have the same packaging here in Europe but none were floaters! :cool:

On the 3rd song now and am already blown away - and my TV only does 1080i

Actually the disc is 1080i60 so you probably wouldn't have noticed much, if any, difference anyhow.

I haven't had the chance to watch the entire concert or the extras, but I must say that I am impressed thus far. The second track, Synchronicity II, sent chills up my spine! The bass on Wrapped Around Your Finger was aweseome! This is what the HD experience is all about! :D

Question: why was it shot in 1080i instead of 1080p? Is there a drop in the AQ when shot in 1080i?

Actually the disc is 1080i60 so you probably wouldn't have noticed much, if any, difference anyhow.

FYI...the Blu-ray spec doesn't support 1080/30P... the highest it goes for 1080 progressive material is 24P.

I haven't had the chance to watch the entire concert or the extras, but I must say that I am impressed thus far. The second track, Synchronicity II, sent chills up my spine! The bass on Wrapped Around Your Finger was aweseome! This is what the HD experience is all about! :D

Question: why was it shot in 1080i instead of 1080p? Is there a drop in the AQ when shot in 1080i?

The concert was shot predominantly on HD-CAM (non-SR) cameras. Video specs are chosen based on production budgets (how many cameras, what are their capabilities?) and to make sure that subsequent downstream workflow does not have problems with mixed sources.

It has nothing to do with audio quality as audio is always recorded separately through a different system.

People can get really hung up on specs. Marketers know this and are really good at pushing peoples' buttons about specs, even though it may not actually be reflected much in reality. That's why you can buy $10,000 interconnects.:eek:

To give you a couple of obvious examples:

I would much prefer a 48/16 audio track that was recorded with great microphones and good mic placement than a 96/24 track recorded with mediocre microphones and careless mic placement.

I would much prefer to watch a 720p or 1080i video with great lighting and good camerawork than a 1080p video with mediocre lighting, etc.

:)

The concert was shot predominantly on HD-CAM (non-SR) cameras. Video specs are chosen based on production budgets (how many cameras, what are their capabilities?) and to make sure that subsequent downstream workflow does not have problems with mixed sources.

It has nothing to do with audio quality as audio is always recorded separately through a different system.

People can get really hung up on specs. Marketers know this and are really good at pushing peoples' buttons about specs, even though it may not actually be reflected much in reality. That's why you can buy $10,000 interconnects.:eek:

To give you a couple of obvious examples:

I would much prefer a 48/16 audio track that was recorded with great microphones and good mic placement than a 96/24 track recorded with mediocre microphones and careless mic placement.

I would much prefer to watch a 720p or 1080i video with great lighting and good camerawork than a 1080p video with mediocre lighting, etc.

:)

Thanks! Ooops... I meant PQ not AQ in my question. I'll try that again. Is there a noticable drop in PQ when viewing in 1080i compared to 1080p? What does the 60 represent? (1080i 60) Is it 60 frames per second? How much of a difference does this make over 24 frames per second?

My Gosh,

I am just on track three and my second Bacardi :p. Reference pic quality. Wow! Dang, Sting is aging well isn't he?

More to follow on sound.

Rick

My Gosh,

I am just on track three and my second Bacardi :p. Reference pic quality. Wow! Dang, Sting is aging well isn't he?

More to follow on sound.

Rick

Stewart Copeland is in a very small class of rock drummers with John Bonham and Keith Moon imho I feel bad the kids today who have no great rock bands
cold play, oasis, green day please they pale next to the greats from the 60's 70's and 80's one day rock will die

Actually I think there are PLENTY of great bands out there today in the clubs and selling their records themselves, (me for one!) like my good friend Sully's band "The Creamsicles" who have 2 self produced albums of classic rock out, are all excellent musicians and play clubs constantly.

http://www.myspace.com/thecreamsicles

You can't judge all the music being made nowadays by what the hopelessly out of date and out of touch "major labels" produce. And I see kids playing guitar and drums constantly at The Guitar center down the block and in the music stores on 48th st. Not just staying at home playing guitar hero, but playing for real. I love Stewart and The Police and am an old guy but I think Cold Play and Green Day are very good bands as well (although not as innovative or original, Coldplay has shades of U2 and Green Day has The Clash, ramones) but Tre on drums for Green Day is actually an excellent rock drummer.

Stewart Copeland is in a very small class of rock drummers with John Bonham and Keith Moon imho I feel bad the kids today who have no great rock bands
cold play, oasis, green day please they pale next to the greats from the 60's 70's and 80's one day rock will die
There's more diversity know. With more complex compositions. I think you still need to go further into the future to see what bands from today stand the test of time. But everything from Metal to Indie and Pop rock is pretty damn good right now.

But the 60s in my opinion has the best music of any decade.

Rock won't die, it'll change and evolve. Rap(which I used to love) will most certainly die one day.

Only 2 days until The Who Blu-ray!:eek:
BTW - What's the audio on the Police disc?

There's more diversity know. With more complex compositions. I think you still need to go further into the future to see what bands from today stand the test of time. But everything from Metal to Indie and Pop rock is pretty damn good right now.

But the 60s in my opinion has the best music of any decade.

Rock won't die, it'll change and evolve. Rap(which I used to love) will most certainly die one day.

Only 2 days until The Who Blu-ray!:eek:
BTW - What's the audio on the Police disc?

Police is TrueHD, my Who @ Killburn was shipped Friday can't wait for that :-)

Thanks! Ooops... I meant PQ not AQ in my question. I'll try that again. Is there a noticable drop in PQ when viewing in 1080i compared to 1080p? What does the 60 represent? (1080i 60) Is it 60 frames per second? How much of a difference does this make over 24 frames per second?

The 60 in 1080i/60 refers to the number of fields. 60 fields = 30 fps. Each frame is comprised of two interlaced fields. BTW, if you are viewing on an LCD, DLP, or Plasma you will never see a true interlaced picture because your video circuitry in your TV will convert the interlaced video to progressive for display. An HD CRT will display an interlace picture at 1080i.

For concert material, I doubt that you would notice any significant difference between 30 fps native progressive and 60i interlaced even though the interlaced version is composed of two temporally displaced interlaced fields. This is a complicated subject that really can't be thoroughly explained in a short post, but there are sites on the 'net that you can research it.

24 fps is the film standard; almost all films cameras run at this speed. Since Blu-ray was designed to play movies, it can play back 1080p/24.

A bit of trivia: the film rate of 24 fps is why the minimum bit-rate of Dolby Digital is 384kbps. DD was designed to have the digital audio information printed on theatrical release prints. Dolby settled on a format 16 kbits per film frame for playback. 16kbits x 24fps =384kbps

Outstanding picture and audio.
Those who say the bass is too heavy haven't been to a concert lately, and/or don't have a properly set up system (sorry). I'm running analog out of a Sony S550 to two SVS PB Ultra 13s for the fronts and .1 channel, two SVS CS Ultras (TV 12 drivers) for the rears, two Outlaw audio ICBMs to break out the bass from each channel, front and rear, and two Velodyne SMS1s to equalize each front sub individually. (Yes, I'm a bass freak, but accuracy, not necessarily volume... this system has been put together over many years)
In fact, I lament the fact that most concert recordings don't properly convey the real bass present in live concerts.
Several times during the concert, you can tell the artists really drive the bass such that the whole room is vibrating. This does not occur during most of the concert.
Again, a truly outstanding recording, both audio and video (Panny 3000). I have purchased virtually all rock DTheater, HD DVD and Blu Ray concerts, and also have virtually all DVD audio and SACD rock recordings, concert and studio.
Paul

Remember, because we are running HD video instead of film material, we run at 30 fps instead of 24 fps like film content - our encoding requirements are 20% higher.

Is the original source 1080i/60 or 1080p/30? I know it's encoded on the disc at 1080i.

When deinterlacing to a 1080p output, I am hoping to understand if the player is supposed to be using 2:2 pulldown to weave together the frames(like Besides You In Time), or true motion-adaptive weave type deinterlacing from 60i fields.

Is the original source 1080i/60 or 1080p/30? I know it's encoded on the disc at 1080i.

When deinterlacing to a 1080p output, I am hoping to understand if the player is supposed to be using 2:2 pulldown to weave together the frames(like Besides You In Time), or true motion-adaptive weave type deinterlacing from 60i fields.

From what I remember what our compressionist told me, NIN was 30p, and The Police was 60i. He encoded both shows and took care of setting the flags, etc. (He's a talented guy! :)

The 60 in 1080i/60 refers to the number of fields. 60 fields = 30 fps. Each frame is comprised of two interlaced fields. BTW, if you are viewing on an LCD, DLP, or Plasma you will never see a true interlaced picture because your video circuitry in your TV will convert the interlaced video to progressive for display. An HD CRT will display an interlace picture at 1080i.

For concert material, I doubt that you would notice any significant difference between 30 fps native progressive and 60i interlaced even though the interlaced version is composed of two temporally displaced interlaced fields. This is a complicated subject that really can't be thoroughly explained in a short post, but there are sites on the 'net that you can research it.

24 fps is the film standard; almost all films cameras run at this speed. Since Blu-ray was designed to play movies, it can play back 1080p/24.

A bit of trivia: the film rate of 24 fps is why the minimum bit-rate of Dolby Digital is 384kbps. DD was designed to have the digital audio information printed on theatrical release prints. Dolby settled on a format 16 kbits per film frame for playback. 16kbits x 24fps =384kbps

Thanks, Jimby. I appreciate your comments.

Someone made this comment. I was wondering if you provide some insight here.

... it was odd to notice that some of the crowd shots were not from the River Plate stadium in Argentina. I don't quite recognize from which stadium they are (from some other latin american country I am guessing).I know this kind of movie 'cheating' is par for the course, but I would have preferred to keep it 100% legitimate.Sounds like the background vocals were tweaked as well ... again, no huge surprise but still.

Cheers!

Some of the background vocals are indeed samples. Was very obvious in the doc. when Sting stopped singing and a "ghost" vocal, not a delay, continued underneath him in the rehearsal of Synchronicity II. Also when they were on the grammys the backup Sting vox were very audible.

Thanks, Jimby. I appreciate your comments.

Someone made this comment. I was wondering if you provide some insight here.

... it was odd to notice that some of the crowd shots were not from the River Plate stadium in Argentina.

Cheers!

I don't know the answer to this, but I asked the question to Jim Gable (the director). I will let you know what he says.

Some of the background vocals are indeed samples. Was very obvious in the doc. when Sting stopped singing and a "ghost" vocal, not a delay, continued underneath him in the rehearsal of Synchronicity II.

Anybody who's seen the concert knows that a backing vocal playback is used on certain songs. This is not an uncommon practice, especially when you have only three guys on stage. :)

Not saying it isn't uncommon now. Back in the 80's, (save for the backup girls om the Synchronicity tour) the Police never did though. Considering Andy and Stewart's pitchiness though, I understand why this was done now.

:)

The only time I really noticed the backing vocals was during "Roxanne", where Sting's original vocals are added for the chorus. It gets tricky when the original song was recorded with multiple samples, of the same person singing different bits at the same time. They kind of had to for that one, really, since neither Andy nor Stewart could sing backing for that one. Andy sang backing for a couple songs, although I noticed that Stewart didn't, even though he used to back in the heyday.

Dargo said it right, though... Copeland is definitely in the top league of drummers. He understands so much about the music, rhythm, percussion.. I think there's very few drummers out there right now who could have done what he did on "Wrapped Around Your Finger" and "Walking in Your Footsteps", and really understand what it was they were doing and why. Reminds me of something I read on Wiki:

Copeland is also noted for his heavy emphasis on the groove as a complement to the song, rather than displays of technical prowess. He once drove this point home at a drum clinic: Copeland announced that he would show the audience something "that very few modern drummers can do," and proceeded to play a simple rock beat for two minutes.

I have to say that I really enjoyed that rendition of "Wrapped Around Your Finger". Normally, I'm not much for different "versions" of a song played live, but that one was great, one of my favorite tracks from that performance.

Some of the background vocals are indeed samples. Was very obvious in the doc. when Sting stopped singing and a "ghost" vocal, not a delay, continued underneath him in the rehearsal of Synchronicity II. Also when they were on the grammys the backup Sting vox were very audible.


:rolleyes: lame. I would realy just rather have the real deal myself even if it does not sound as good (atleast it is real live music 100%) and this is kind of a bummer. Oh well still going to grab it. How many songs do they do this on?

20 tracks I believe.

It was so "special" to get my POLICE blu ray box, open it, and have the cds and blu ray POP OUT...ALL OVER THE PLACE...!

I always love that.

Who are the Maniacs who design these things ?

If it's "green", I'm for WASTE !

Thanks! Ooops... I meant PQ not AQ in my question. I'll try that again. Is there a noticable drop in PQ when viewing in 1080i compared to 1080p? What does the 60 represent? (1080i 60) Is it 60 frames per second? How much of a difference does this make over 24 frames per second?

the 60 is fields per second. 2 fields per frame so it's 30 frames per second, which is the same framerate as NTSC TV. Boiled down, the specs just mean that this is a "looks like you were there" production as opposed to a "looks like it was shot on film" production. This has bode well for other concert releases such as the Nine Inch Nails Blu-ray. In the end, it's all subjective. Some people prefer the 1080 24p look, but a lot of people have expressed how pleased they are with the look of a number of 1080i 60fps concert videos.

Stewart Copeland is in a very small class of rock drummers with John Bonham and Keith Moon imho I feel bad the kids today who have no great rock bands
cold play, oasis, green day please they pale next to the greats from the 60's 70's and 80's one day rock will die

Agreed, Copeland is one of the greats, but it's hard to put him next to Keith Moon. Copeland is a precision drummer. Moon was a loon! I think Copeland would probably be better compared to Neil Peart.

Agreed, Copeland is one of the greats, but it's hard to put him next to Keith Moon. Copeland is a precision drummer. Moon was a loon! I think Copeland would probably be better compared to Neil Peart.

true. except that peart plays his drumparts the same each time. Even his big solo seen in R:30 is "written" like music. Copeland plays differently every time. :)

true. except that peart plays his drumparts the same each time. Even his big solo seen in R:30 is "written" like music. Copeland plays differently every time. :)

This is what frustrate Sting so much:D

Agreed, Copeland is one of the greats, but it's hard to put him next to Keith Moon. Copeland is a precision drummer. Moon was a loon! I think Copeland would probably be better compared to Neil Peart.


I think Copeland is more of a hybrid of Keith Moon and Peart. You could say he is randomly precise. He is an amazing musical talent overall. Not a lot of people realize that he also played some of the guitar parts on the early Police singles with Henry Padovani.

Jimby 99, thanks for all of the info here! I am picking up this tomorrow and am hoping it sounds as good or better than David Gilmour's Remember that Night. From what I am reading, I should be impressed.

Jimby 99, thanks for all of the info here! I am picking up this tomorrow and am hoping it sounds as good or better than David Gilmour's Remember that Night. From what I am reading, I should be impressed.

I hope it meets your expectations!

I hope it meets your expectations!


Great disc and sound and thanks for your expert input. BTW any reason why there's no standard DTS/DD surround track on the disc? Matter of space or deliberate choice? Cheers!

Great disc and sound and thanks for your expert input. BTW any reason why there's no standard DTS/DD surround track on the disc? Matter of space or deliberate choice? Cheers!

There is a standard Dolby Digital core stream embedded in the Dolby TrueHD stream; this DD stream is available through the 958 (SP/DIF) port if your system is not capable of decoding the TrueHD stream.

There is a standard Dolby Digital core stream embedded in the Dolby TrueHD stream; this DD stream is available through the 958 (SP/DIF) port if your system is not capable of decoding the TrueHD stream.

Thanks for that but is there any way of accessing that stream on a PC running PowerDVD?

Thanks for that but is there any way of accessing that stream on a PC running PowerDVD?

You'll have to check your set up with PowerDVD. Unfortunately there are many hardware and software combinations with that application, so it's best if you ask the PowerDVD developers for advice.

Regards,
Jim

You'll have to check your set up with PowerDVD. Unfortunately there are many hardware and software combinations with that application, so it's best if you ask the PowerDVD developers for advice.

Regards,
Jim

Hi Jim, yes it's interesting that on discs with a DTS-HD track PowerDVD (and other software) has no issue resolving the lower-res DTS core track, cheers and many thanks.

WARNING: The menu audio is WAY louder than the content audio.

I was hoping that this annoyance would not be carried over from standard DVD.

Other than that, this is a first class presentation.

Thanks to all involved.

WARNING: The menu audio is WAY louder than the content audio.

I was hoping that this annoyance would not be carried over from standard DVD.


Actually the menu audio is the same level as the program stereo stream. If you notice a disparity it might be because you have a level difference in your system between stereo and surround inputs. Also, sometimes receivers are set to "auto" which will decode the menu stereo audio as Pro-Logic, which can also affect levels when compared to properly decoded the 5.1 AC-3 or Dolby True HD streams.

Whatever the reason, we didn't change audio levels for the menu sequence. (And on my system, the levels match)

Regards,
Jim

Actually the menu audio is the same level as the program stereo stream. If you notice a disparity it might be because you have a level difference in your system between stereo and surround inputs. Also, sometimes receivers are set to "auto" which will decode the menu stereo audio as Pro-Logic, which can also affect levels when compared to properly decoded the 5.1 AC-3 or Dolby True HD streams.

Whatever the reason, we didn't change audio levels for the menu sequence. (And on my system, the levels match)

Regards,
Jim

Actually Jim the greater annoyance is that this disc should have been checked much further for use on PCs. Having tested the disc for a couple of days now (I don't know about people using this on their standalone BR player) but on my PC setup it's all but unplayable.

Putting aside the simple annoyance of a lack of a separate standard DTS/DD track (something that on all my other DD True HD discs is standard e.g Blade Runner, The Mist etc...) and the fact that on the multiangle tracks the image breaks up (again this doesn't happen on other discs I own with this feature) the disc on my rig just constantly freezes my system during playback. System is up to spec (and fully updated) and so far I have tried PowerDVD8/7, WinDVD9 and Arcsoft Total Media Theater players.

All other discs I own play flawlessly including some which have caused issue for other people in the past eg Casino Royale, Close Encounters, Spiderman 3 etc... so either the disc is faulty, the programming is or there is some other non-advertised feature on this disc that's causing the issue. Any help would be appreciated...

I hope it meets your expectations!

Well, I listened/watched this last night and it was excellent! Not as bass heavy as Gilmour's BD, but that is to be expected considering the music. It looked very very good and the sound was stellar. My only complaint was that Sting was a little close to the mic sometimes. Surround was not heavily used, but it was accurate and not artificial.

Highly recommended for anyone who is even a casual fan of The Police.

Yes I picked this up for $23 Cdn and it is certainly worth that for just the Blu-ray concert. The CD's included are an added bonus.

Actually Jim the greater annoyance is that this disc should have been checked much further for use on PCs. Having tested the disc for a couple of days now (I don't know about people using this on their standalone BR player) but on my PC setup it's all but unplayable.

Putting aside the simple annoyance of a lack of a separate standard DTS/DD track (something that on all my other DD True HD discs is standard e.g Blade Runner, The Mist etc...) and the fact that on the multiangle tracks the image breaks up (again this doesn't happen on other discs I own with this feature) the disc on my rig just constantly freezes my system during playback. System is up to spec (and fully updated) and so far I have tried PowerDVD8/7, WinDVD9 and Arcsoft Total Media Theater players.

All other discs I own play flawlessly including some which have caused issue for other people in the past eg Casino Royale, Close Encounters, Spiderman 3 etc... so either the disc is faulty, the programming is or there is some other non-advertised feature on this disc that's causing the issue. Any help would be appreciated...

We'll investigate the PowerDVD issue, but The Police disc is fully compliant with the BD spec, authored on industry-standard Sonic Scenarist BD software, passed Sony's verifier software with no issues, and works on every other player, so your logic is that the playback issue on PowerDVD must be because the disc was incorrectly authored?

I am sorry you are having problems, but as I said earlier it is impossible for us to test these discs on every software/firmware/hardware combination.

I suggest that you contact the PowerDVD developer and report your problems to them as they might be able to help you (or may already be aware of the issue).

Regards,
Jim

We'll investigate the PowerDVD issue, but The Police disc is fully compliant with the BD spec, authored on industry-standard Sonic Scenarist BD software, passed Sony's verifier software with no issues, and works on every other player, so your logic is that the playback issue on PowerDVD must be because the disc was incorrectly authored?

I am sorry you are having problems, but as I said earlier it is impossible for us to test these discs on every software/firmware/hardware combination.

I suggest that you contact the PowerDVD developer and report your problems to them as they might be able to help you (or may already be aware of the issue).

Regards,
Jim

Thanks for the reply Jim, but I did state that it's not only PowerDVD 7.3/8 that is having an issue with these discs. In fact PowerDVD is the only program that actually boots the discs and gets to the menu before freezing during playback. Choosing the multiangle songs directly freezes the player (and my whole system) so this points to a disc incorrectly coded and/or manufactured.

I don't own a standalone player and, since a lot of people certainly own BR drives on their PCs, I would think that thorough testing on a basic Win/Mac rig would be a standard part of the testing procedure for these discs. Anyway I'll report back if I can find a workaround for this issue unless someone on the forum as any ideas. Cheers.

I still haven't purchased BD version of The Police Certified.

It seems like DVD version is $19.99 at BB website.
For some reason, BD version isn't there.

I haven't been to BB store recently. Are these still availabe from website
or BB stores?

I've seen them in the store recently.

Thanks for the reply Jim, but I did state that it's not only PowerDVD 7.3/8 that is having an issue with these discs. In fact PowerDVD is the only program that actually boots the discs and gets to the menu before freezing during playback. Choosing the multiangle songs directly freezes the player (and my whole system) so this points to a disc incorrectly coded and/or manufactured.

I don't own a standalone player and, since a lot of people certainly own BR drives on their PCs, I would think that thorough testing on a basic Win/Mac rig would be a standard part of the testing procedure for these discs. Anyway I'll report back if I can find a workaround for this issue unless someone on the forum as any ideas. Cheers.

You are incorrect if the disc was as you say "incorrectly coded and/or manufactured" it would not work on set top players as you are the only person in the world to have reported this problem of the multiangle causing
freezing must there for be a software issue reporting it to the software companies whose programs you have tried would no doubt have them writing a fix to their software which most likely they have never encountered a multiangle BD before

good luck

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8971605&st=police+certifiable&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1895078

they have it listed as a dvd and its backordered, but this is the link. there are plenty of them in store though, so go check your nearest BB

We'll investigate the PowerDVD issue, but The Police disc is fully compliant with the BD spec, authored on industry-standard Sonic Scenarist BD software, passed Sony's verifier software with no issues, and works on every other player, so your logic is that the playback issue on PowerDVD must be because the disc was incorrectly authored?

I am sorry you are having problems, but as I said earlier it is impossible for us to test these discs on every software/firmware/hardware combination.

I suggest that you contact the PowerDVD developer and report your problems to them as they might be able to help you (or may already be aware of the issue).

Regards,
Jim

I thought I'd report back to say that I have solved the issue r.e. playback of the disc on my PC and the short answer is replacing the ram solved the playback problem.

I ran IntelBurnTest v1.6. (http://downloads.guru3d.com/IntelBurnTest-v1.6-download-2047.html) which picked up instability between my cpu and/or ram. Took an educated guess that it was probably the ram as I'd been overclocking it and replaced it. Disc now plays fine and no breakup even during multiangle sections. Glad that's solved but it is interesting that it was only an issue on this disc and no others. Cheers.

Just thought I would throw my $.02 in the ring as I just watched this disc. Here is a copy and paste of my write up in the tier thread........



We have a new concert audio champ in this one guys (IMO of course). UN-FRICKEN-BELIEVABLE! This is how concert audio should sound and be mixed on disc. This is one of those concert discs that NAILS what the low end should be like. I felt like I was given a nice soothing massage for the past 109 minutes. This is one of those discs that will test your systems low end capabilities not just in power but in quickness and response. A great one for a well eq'd sub(s).

Everything else about the mix was top notch as well. Vocals, guitar, drums are all mixed perfectly IMO and each can easily be picked out at any time. The presence of the mix is incredible with none of that phony lets try to recreate being at the show distant sound type BS that I cant stand about a LOT of concert discs. I could go on and on, but to sum it up if you are a fan of this band at all or just concert BR audio in general this is a must buy/listen (I would say rent, but that is still probably a tuff one since it is a Best Buy exclusive and last time I checked neither BB online or Netflix carried this for obvious reasons).

One other off topic side note.......This disc is HANDS DOWN the best PQ I have seen for a concert on BR! Incredibly clean, detailed, etc.....WOW!

Dont mean to gush, but this one is the whole package (if you like this band atleast to some degree) that is all to rare.

Just thought I would throw my $.02 in the ring as I just watched this disc. Here is a copy and paste of my write up in the tier thread........



We have a new concert audio champ in this one guys (IMO of course). UN-FRICKEN-BELIEVABLE! This is how concert audio should sound and be mixed on disc. This is one of those concert discs that NAILS what the low end should be like. I felt like I was given a nice soothing massage for the past 109 minutes. This is one of those discs that will test your systems low end capabilities not just in power but in quickness and response. A great one for a well eq'd sub(s).

Everything else about the mix was top notch as well. Vocals, guitar, drums are all mixed perfectly IMO and each can easily be picked out at any time. The presence of the mix is incredible with none of that phony lets try to recreate being at the show distant sound type BS that I cant stand about a LOT of concert discs. I could go on and on, but to sum it up if you are a fan of this band at all or just concert BR audio in general this is a must buy/listen (I would say rent, but that is still probably a tuff one since it is a Best Buy exclusive and last time I checked neither BB online or Netflix carried this for obvious reasons).

One other off topic side note.......This disc is HANDS DOWN the best PQ I have seen for a concert on BR! Incredibly clean, detailed, etc.....WOW!

Dont mean to gush, but this one is the whole package (if you like this band atleast to some degree) that is all to rare.


Hey folks, whata ya know? LOL, Toe and I finally agree on a concert rating:D

Hey folks, whata ya know? LOL, Toe and I finally agree on a concert rating:D


lol!:p Yeah, it took a few, but we finaly got one. ;) I cant imagine anyone being dissapointed in this one, but you never know.

lol!:p Yeah, it took a few, but we finaly got one. ;) I cant imagine anyone being dissapointed in this one, but you never know.

i was dissapointed with the price and BB exclusivity, but i guess the 2 cd's plus the quality of the concert made up for it

i think this/john mayer/ and dave matthews are all at the top of my concert lists on blu ray

i hope to god they just release the eagles ASAP. the hddvd with standard dts kicked, so i cant imagine how a DTSHD:MA disc would sound

it seems like im buying more concerts on blu ray than actual movies lately. just today i got an order from tower that had 10 concert blu rays in it

i was dissapointed with the price and BB exclusivity, but i guess the 2 cd's plus the quality of the concert made up for it

i think this/john mayer/ and dave matthews are all at the top of my concert lists on blu ray

i hope to god they just release the eagles ASAP. the hddvd with standard dts kicked, so i cant imagine how a DTSHD:MA disc would sound

it seems like im buying more concerts on blu ray than actual movies lately. just today i got an order from tower that had 10 concert blu rays in it

10! Wow, what did you get?

I agree with you on the price/BB exclusive. However, after experiencing this show, even if I had paid full price it would have been worth it.

I agree with this, John Mayer, and dave matthews being in the top. I would also put NIN up there as well and the Jewel show is not far behind these at all....that one sounds VERY good.

10! Wow, what did you get?

I agree with you on the price/BB exclusive. However, after experiencing this show, even if I had paid full price it would have been worth it.

I agree with this, John Mayer, and dave matthews being in the top. I would also put NIN up there as well and the Jewel show is not far behind these at all....that one sounds VERY good.
ive netflixed dave matthews 4 times and owned NIN previously on HD-DVD, but finally got around to getting the blu, so this is what my order consisted of

dave matthews
NIN
ac/dc live at donnington
heart in seattle
chicago/earth wind and fire
hall and oates at the trouboudor
mariah carey
blu man group
chris botti
john legend

Just thought I would throw my $.02 in the ring as I just watched this disc. Here is a copy and paste of my write up in the tier thread........



We have a new concert audio champ in this one guys (IMO of course). UN-FRICKEN-BELIEVABLE! This is how concert audio should sound and be mixed on disc. This is one of those concert discs that NAILS what the low end should be like. I felt like I was given a nice soothing massage for the past 109 minutes. This is one of those discs that will test your systems low end capabilities not just in power but in quickness and response. A great one for a well eq'd sub(s).

Everything else about the mix was top notch as well. Vocals, guitar, drums are all mixed perfectly IMO and each can easily be picked out at any time. The presence of the mix is incredible with none of that phony lets try to recreate being at the show distant sound type BS that I cant stand about a LOT of concert discs. I could go on and on, but to sum it up if you are a fan of this band at all or just concert BR audio in general this is a must buy/listen (I would say rent, but that is still probably a tuff one since it is a Best Buy exclusive and last time I checked neither BB online or Netflix carried this for obvious reasons).

One other off topic side note.......This disc is HANDS DOWN the best PQ I have seen for a concert on BR! Incredibly clean, detailed, etc.....WOW!

Dont mean to gush, but this one is the whole package (if you like this band atleast to some degree) that is all to rare.


Totally agree. Just finished watching it. Great concert and demo material. Bass is loud and tight. Nice indeed.

Excellent!!

This is my bliu-ray refererence concert for now.

Hopefully others will be this good.

jimby_99,
FilmMixer,

While watching a concert on TV last night a question in my head came up, how the hell does the video and music are kept in sync from recording, mixing, mastering, etc.. that each individual piece (video and music) has to go through? I find that amazing and want to learn more:)

Thanks.

\While watching a concert on TV last night a question in my head came up, how the hell does the video and music are kept in sync from recording, mixing, mastering, etc..

Point #1 - I'm not the people you asked...

Short answer: Math

Slightly longer answer: Time codes, essentially meta data that's embedded into all digital media, can be used to correlate the various camera angles with the source audio. As long as you have a single point of reference, you can set each "track" (be it video or audio) to sync to a specific point in time. Once you have everything correlated, it's a simple matter of syncing audio and video.

That's one reason that film clappers were used back in the day, not just for "slating" the begining of the roll of film (letting the editor know the shot, camera op, etc.) but the "clap" would be heard on the audio track, and could be used at a starting point for editing.

It's been a few months, but if I recall, it's on The Kids are Alright bonus materials, shot on 35mm with 24 track sound... Cranes, the whole lot... You see the clapper is a =giant=, insanely huge affair so that each camera could lock onto it. For audio sync, they had a background timecode LED thing running along in the BG. Same thing for Last Waltz, where you would simply record the audio to mutlitrack tape, and shoot each film mag with the first shots taken of the time code chugging away.

Now clappers can do fancy electronic things, like transmit a signal to the sound recordist's equipment for synching location sound, but for concert movies, it's all usually a matter of matching timecode, and then (god forbid) doing a bit of manual slipping of the track should anything have been screwed up royally during the shoot.

Once it's synced at the editing stage, the shared timecode makes it reasonably trivial (ie., a role for the asistants!) to keep things in sync. On film, it's a bit more dodgy when you get negative cutters involved, but, again, that opens up a whole old skool vs. new skool, digital/analgoue filmmaking debate that's far outside the scope of this little answer.

At least, that's how I think it goes... now we wait from the people that actually do this for a living...:)

i was dissapointed with the price and BB exclusivity, but i guess the 2 cd's plus the quality of the concert made up for it

i think this/john mayer/ and dave matthews are all at the top of my concert lists on blu ray

i hope to god they just release the eagles ASAP. the hddvd with standard dts kicked, so i cant imagine how a DTSHD:MA disc would sound

it seems like im buying more concerts on blu ray than actual movies lately. just today i got an order from tower that had 10 concert blu rays in it

Sorry to correct you on this, however, the Eagles HD DVD does include DTS MA audio

Sorry to correct you on this, however, the Eagles HD DVD does include DTS MA audio

It does? Thats news to me, there is no DTS MA on the case or anywhere in the menu, just DTS or PCM Stereo.

Whats your source for this info?

It does? Thats news to me, there is no DTS MA on the case or anywhere in the menu, just DTS or PCM Stereo.

Whats your source for this info?

I have the disc, playing thru the Tosh XA2, to my Onk 705.

My settings are HDMI bitstream to the XA2, on the Farewell disc, I select the DTS audio option. The XA2 displays as DTS MA output via. bitstream to the AV reciever. The 705 displays DTS MA audio

The case does not indicate the dts ma, just the dts. On playback, it is DTS MA.... Prior to my dsp update, the Onk 705 did suffer from the DTS MA audio "bomb", which was only effected by a few dts ma audio tracks, and the Eagles was one disc I had the dts ma audio bomb occur on I believe track #4

It does? Thats news to me, there is no DTS MA on the case or anywhere in the menu, just DTS or PCM Stereo.

Whats your source for this info?
Also, check this link.....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12665030#post12665030

Thanks guys, who knew? My A35 is hooked up via optical till my new pre/pro arrives as i am using the analog ins for my BD55. Does sound very good all the same.

Thanks guys, who knew? My A35 is hooked up via optical till my new pre/pro arrives as i am using the analog ins for my BD55. Does sound very good all the same.

Well, there you have it!!! Enjoy your new equipment :)

Just picked up The Police certifiable Blu, and very, very impressed with the pq and aq.
My only complaint is the very cheap packaging (which none of the discs' stayed in place from the store to my home) as stated by other members in this forum.

Other minor complaint is the audio cds' were, in my opinion, not of high quality sound. Why could they not match the sound to the Blu disc?

Just picked up The Police certifiable Blu, and very, very impressed with the pq and aq.
My only complaint is the very cheap packaging (which none of the discs' stayed in place from the store to my home) as stated by other members in this forum.

Other minor complaint is the audio cds' were, in my opinion, not of high quality sound. Why could they not match the sound to the Blu disc?

because in typical modern fashion the CDs are brickwall limited and compressed to hell. Very harsh and fatiguing sounding.

I am planning on getting the Police and Elton John almost for the Audio alone. I picked up Chris Botti tonight and it is 96khz/24 bit as well. The PQ is not much better than dvd and upconverted dvd on Botti, but I didn't care for 17.00. I heard from some here at AVS that the PQ on the Police and Elton and some others is awesome. Considering I have spent as much and more on a dvd, cd's, and SACD's, the video portion is like gravy. :cool: I have the DVD/CD version of Chris Botti and have seen it on HDnet, but SQ wise they pale compared to the BD version.

I am planning on getting the Police and Elton John almost for the Audio alone. I picked up Chris Botti tonight and it is 96khz/24 bit as well. The PQ is not much better than dvd and upconverted dvd on Botti, but I didn't care for 17.00. I heard from some here at AVS that the PQ on the Police and Elton and some others is awesome. Considering I have spent as much and more on a dvd, cd's, and SACD's, the video portion is like gravy. :cool: I have the DVD/CD version of Chris Botti and have seen it on HDnet, but SQ wise they pale compared to the BD version.

You will not be disappointed my friend in the Police, what Elton John Blu are you getting? I have the 60th birthday concert, and it is unbelivabe for the pq and aq. I did hear mixed reviews on the pq on the Red Piano Blu Ray, I myself have been holding off on that one for now until the price drops (if that ever happens...damn Best Buy exclusive BS....)

You will not be disappointed my friend in the Police, what Elton John Blu are you getting? I have the 60th birthday concert, and it is unbelivabe for the pq and aq. I did hear mixed reviews on the pq on the Red Piano Blu Ray, I myself have been holding off on that one for now until the price drops (if that ever happens...damn Best Buy exclusive BS....)

I was planning on getting Elton John 60th live at MSG. I heard it is incredible. I watched Chris Botti last night. The PQ on the BD is awful, but the sound is reference. I cranked my system up very high and it sounded flawless.

I was pleasently surprised to see this new Police "live" BD disc while browsing at BestBuy last week. Can't wait to watch it, especially since I got to see this tour at Dodger Stadium last september. I was surprised to know this was released soo soon (technically during the tour).

I was planning on getting Elton John 60th live at MSG. I heard it is incredible. I watched Chris Botti last night. The PQ on the BD is awful, but the sound is reference. I cranked my system up very high and it sounded flawless.

You will not be disappointed in the EJ 60th Birthday one. Report back your thoughts once you get it!

PS. Still playing my Police every chance I get!

We need a good Aerosmith and Pearl jam Blu-ray...and many others..

Watched "Certifiable" last week and was very pleased with the disc and the audio. The accompanying documentary was icing on the cake. The PQ and AQ were very solid and it really brought back memories of seeing them live here in Utah in July.

If you are a Police fan I highly recommend this disc.

Killer concert video, period! Music was captured very nicely, you can really feel the soul of this group through this wonderful, pristine and dynamic, video.

However I did experience a video drop-out approx 16:50 into the video. Don't know if this is a glitch on my disc or what? But I will play it again and test it at that point.

I've seen Sting probably three or four times, and I fianally saw the Police on this tour at Dodger Stadium, it was awesome. But I still prefer seeing Sting's concerts, the music is more dynamic (I think).........

I just purchased Sammy 40" 1080p lcd. When watching this blu disc, the information on my display indicates 1280x720

All my other Blu disc's display 1920x1080

Why would this disc display as 720?

I just purchased Sammy 40" 1080p lcd. When watching this blu disc, the information on my display indicates 1280x720

All my other Blu disc's display 1920x1080

Why would this disc display as 720?yeah, I noticed my Pioneer Kuro display showed 1080i60 resolution. Also my Pioneer BDP-05FD player displayed 1080i60 source and 1080i60 output. I guess this video was shot in 1080i (not 1080p). It still looks very clean and sharp though.

Came to this thread to see if there was any new talk about the Police show, and got the urge to go searching for the Blu-ray version. Looks like it is no longer a Best Buy exclusive - I found it on Tower.com for $20. Added a $10 Reservoir Dogs Blu-ray to get free shipping (on $25 or more). So if anyone was against spending $30 for this at Best Buy, might be time to check for other deals.

yeah, I noticed my Pioneer Kuro display showed 1080i60 resolution. Also my Pioneer BDP-05FD player displayed 1080i60 source and 1080i60 output. I guess this video was shot in 1080i (not 1080p). It still looks very clean and sharp though.

I do agree! Perhaps all concert discs are 1080i60 due to it being a live performance???

Elton's 60th bday concert blu ray is also 1080i60

Per earlier in this thread I believe this was shot at 1080p@30fps.

Here is a quote from "jimby_99" who worked in the production of this disc.

From what I remember what our compressionist told me, NIN was 30p, and The Police was 60i. He encoded both shows and took care of setting the flags, etc. (He's a talented guy! :)

Here is a quote from "jimby_99" who worked in the production of this disc.

That is what I thought also about the Police. However, with NIN, I do not belive there can be a 1080 30

I got this from wikipedia:

Technical specifications

Type Physical size Single layer capacity Dual layer capacity
Standard disc size 12 cm, single sided 25 GB (23.28 GiB) 50 GB (46.57 GiB)
Mini disc size 8 cm, single sided 7.8 GB (7.26 GiB) 15.6 GB (14.53 GiB)
High-definition video may be stored on Blu-ray ROM discs with up to 1920x1080 pixel resolution at up to 60 frames per second interlaced or 24 frames per second progressive:[47]

Resolution Frame rate Aspect ratio Codec

1920x1080 59.94-i, 50-i 16:9
1920x1080 24-p, 23.976-p 16:9
1440x1080 59.94-i, 50-i 16:9 MPEG-4 AVC / SMPTE VC-1 only
1440x1080 24-p, 23.976-p 16:9 MPEG-4 AVC / SMPTE VC-1 only
1280x720 59.94-p, 50-p 16:9
1280x720 24-p, 23.976-p 16:9
720x480 59.94-i 4:3/16:9
720x576 50-i 4:3/16:9

i just got back from best buy and noticed that the release is now in a traditional blu ray case instead of the awful excuse for a case that i have. The discs do not even stay in the case and fall out every time i open the set. I have to be extremely carefull that i place them back correctly when closing the set to make sure that they stay in place. I am really pissed about this and want bestbuy/who ever is responsible for this release to replace the case. I do not want my discs to be damage from the poor case, especially the cd's.

does anyone know how long Best Buy gets to keep this exclusive?

I bought mine off Tower.com a few weeks ago (received it last week), so as far as I can tell, it's no longer a Best Buy exclusive.

I bought mine off Tower.com a few weeks ago (received it last week), so as far as I can tell, it's no longer a Best Buy exclusive.

what kind of casing did it have

I'm not as high on this disc as some here are.
I think it's very good but i have a problem with
the sound quality at most of the concerts I go to.
Bass is prominent and the vocals are back in the mix and the high end is removed from the snare drum and cymbals.
I assume the guys on the mixing board do this so that the audience won't get fatigued by the high frequencies. Everythings kind of rolled off except the bass. As if Amar Bose designed it.

A real drum set rings and buzzes.

This disc has too much bass. It is probably true to what the front of the house was hearing(I was at the second Police concert in Atlanta Nov. '07)
But I don't like the mix.
Copeland was famous for his snare drum sound. It was very distinctive.
His hihat work was ground breaking. Both the concert and disc roll of those rimshots.
Yeah there is great detail and it DOES sound good but I prefer the sound of
"All This Time" DVD(deep bass on that too) but the highs are not rolled off.
If you listent to that disc there is rimshot that Manu' Katche' does and it rings for days. And the bell of his Zildjian Rock Ride sounds harsh like a Rock Ride.

This Police disc doesn't have that real sound quality. Too much like what it sounded like at the concert, which was not ideal.

I'm not as high on this disc as some here are.
I think it's very good but i have a problem with
the sound quality at most of the concerts I go to.
Bass is prominent and the vocals are back in the mix and the high end is removed from the snare drum and cymbals.
I assume the guys on the mixing board do this so that the audience won't get fatigued by the high frequencies. Everythings kind of rolled off except the bass. As if Amar Bose designed it.

A real drum set rings and buzzes.

This disc has too much bass. It is probably true to what the front of the house was hearing(I was at the second Police concert in Atlanta Nov. '07)
But I don't like the mix.
Copeland was famous for his snare drum sound. It was very distinctive.
His hihat work was ground breaking. Both the concert and disc roll of those rimshots.
Yeah there is great detail and it DOES sound good but I prefer the sound of
"All This Time" DVD(deep bass on that too) but the highs are not rolled off.
If you listent to that disc there is rimshot that Manu' Katche' does and it rings for days. And the bell of his Zildjian Rock Ride sounds harsh like a Rock Ride.

This Police disc doesn't have that real sound quality. Too much like what it sounded like at the concert, which was not ideal.


I assume your sub is eq'd flat and not running hot over the mains at all?

When I say there is too much bass, I mean that the mix is bass heavy.
I've got the sub crossover point at 100Hz on the Cambridge Azur 540RV2.
Sub is a Mirage Prestige s10. All 5 sats are Mirage OMD5s.
OMD5s are rated down to 60Hz, but test reports have them starting to roll of at 86HZ.
That's why the 100Hz crossover point.
I'm not running them full range(not that it would probably make much difference with their lack of bass)

Just an FYI - -I noticed this morning that Netflix now has this available as a "Save" option. So we soon should be able to listen before buying.

I listened to it this morning turned up a louder than i have so far and it sounds better.
i was at the -30db point on the receiver and the m ix sounded more even. Hi hats, snare and cymbals came through better.

When I say there is too much bass, I mean that the mix is bass heavy.
I've got the sub crossover point at 100Hz on the Cambridge Azur 540RV2.
Sub is a Mirage Prestige s10. All 5 sats are Mirage OMD5s.
OMD5s are rated down to 60Hz, but test reports have them starting to roll of at 86HZ.
That's why the 100Hz crossover point.
I'm not running them full range(not that it would probably make much difference with their lack of bass)


So I take it you dont have your sub eq'd?

If you dont have your sub eq'd and dont have a grasp on your lower end freq response at your listening position you cant blame the mix as the problem since most likely it is a room induced peak or peaks. Now dont get me wrong, the bass is still strong in the mix when eq'd, but it is not out of balance with the rest of the instruments/vocals and this is a well balanced mix when listening with a nice flat FR.

I have mentioned this a couple times, but with this disc in particular if you dont have a good grasp on what your freq response is like 200hz and below you may very well find the disc is much too bass heavy due to humps in your freq response. At this point you would need to eq out whatever bumps you find AND do not run your sub hot. If you dont do these things you could very well find the bass on this disc too much as it is one of the few that gets the bass mixed at the correct level on a well calibrated and eq'd setup. EQ your sub, dont run it hot over the mains and give this another listen as this is one of the best mixed bass concert discs (IMO) available. :) You may still not like it at this point which is obviously fine, but until you take out the eq variables, you will never know if it is the mix or your freq response that is killing this one for you (or you might just be running the sub hot which you dont need to do for this one).

cembros,

Casing for the one I got off Tower.com was the cardboard foldout one, which I think is what Best Buy offered originally.

Mike

Every breath you take got my nerve,my favorite song ever.

This is my first post in this section of AVS. I find this Police BD to be about as good as it gets in terms of a live mix. The presentation of Copeland's outstanding drum work is as pristine as I've ever heard, what a treat. I saw them live here also and my HT & this Blu Ray kicks the snot out of what I heard in the arena.
Early in the thread I read a few flames of Sting which I think somewhat unwarranted. I don't care about his ego, his vocals are seriously improving with age, he's got a real instrument there that I find immensely enjoyable.

When I say there is too much bass, I mean that the mix is bass heavy.


It's really not. That's exactly the way Sting wants his bass presented in the mix of his music. Sting feels like his bass is a much more important player in the mix compared to most pop/rock bands. he has said this many times in interviews. Is the bass louder in the mix than most rock bands? Yes. Does the bass overpower the drums, guitar or vocals? No. Everything is heard clearly and well defined. The bass is just louder in proportion. same with Rush and The Who. The bass is a lead instrument, not just the foundation in this circumstance.

Also you're mentioning the rolloff of the snare sound on the concert recording done in Sting's backyard? Well, this is a huge stadium. The levels of amplification and potential feedback are MUCH greater. Meaning the noise-gate on the drum mics will be much higher. So no, you will not get those tones. You NEVER get those in these types of concert recordings. Also, Stewart plays the snare a HELL of a lot louder than most drummers do, (former drummer here) so yes, you will get a different strike sound. I record music constantly and IMHO, this is an amazing, dynamic mix...

This is my first post in this section of AVS. I find this Police BD to be about as good as it gets in terms of a live mix. The presentation of Copeland's outstanding drum work is as pristine as I've ever heard, what a treat. I saw them live here also and my HT & this Blu Ray kicks the snot out of what I heard in the arena.
Early in the thread I read a few flames of Sting which I think somewhat unwarranted. I don't care about his ego, his vocals are seriously improving with age, he's got a real instrument there that I find immensely enjoyable.


Agreed, I love this one:)

First post over here? You need to hang here more often!:D

Don't listen the Police BD and then listen to any other concert disk. Everything else sound like poo after listening to this one.

Where can we buy the BD from ONLINE?

Tower.com http://www.tower.com/police-certifiable-blu-ray/wapi/112526694

Anywhere else?
Was this exclusive to certain retailers?

Thanks again.

Best Buy initially had the exclusive. Just do a google search. Several places are selling it.

Agreed, I love this one:)

First post over here? You need to hang here more often!:D

Thanks I might just do that.
It's taken me years, but I think I've finally got my system to the level where I'm not looking over my shoulder for the next best thing. So I guess the equipment threads are loosing my interest.

I'm a big live concert video fan and the new hi rez codecs in general have kicked that up a notch.

I like the BD "Tier" thread, but with movies I'm a lot more into the overall concept and entertainment value of the movies than how good an alien spaceship sounds coming out of the ground. (I use that analogy too much, but it's a good one IMO.)

I have a much more emotional investment in music and it would be nice to maybe have a "music only" BD Tier or discussion sticky.

Thanks I might just do that.
It's taken me years, but I think I've finally got my system to the level where I'm not looking over my shoulder for the next best thing. So I guess the equipment threads are loosing my interest.

I'm a big live concert video fan and the new hi rez codecs in general have kicked that up a notch.

I like the BD "Tier" thread, but with movies I'm a lot more into the overall concept and entertainment value of the movies than how good an alien spaceship sounds coming out of the ground. (I use that analogy too much, but it's a good one IMO.)

I have a much more emotional investment in music and it would be nice to maybe have a "music only" BD Tier or discussion sticky.

It is a nice feeling to get out of the upgrade race so to speak:)

There has been some talk in the audio thread about seperating concerts from movies which I am all for and you might want to throw out that suggestion over there like a few of us have done and maybe we can get that going.

It is a nice feeling to get out of the upgrade race so to speak:)

There has been some talk in the audio thread about seperating concerts from movies which I am all for and you might want to throw out that suggestion over there like a few of us have done and maybe we can get that going.

It is nice.
What "audio thread" are you referring to?

This is one of the best threads I've read in a while, sounds like I need to pick this up.

I will qualm with those who said not many good Blu-Ray concerts this recently, "Jewel - Essential Songbook" is reference, and "Foo Fighters - Live at Wembley" is one of my favorite concert DVD/Blu-Rays period (and I have probably 50 concerts).

It is nice.
What "audio thread" are you referring to?

Here is a a link to the audio tier thread which is a sticky at the top of this forum.....


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1125050

This thread was just recently taken over by a new thread moderator (at the end of Feb) and a link to the old thread can be found at the bottom of the first post if you want to read those reviews.

Here is a a link to the audio tier thread which is a sticky at the top of this forum.....


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1125050

This thread was just recently taken over by a new thread moderator (at the end of Feb) and a link to the old thread can be found at the bottom of the first post if you want to read those reviews.

Oh, Ok, that's actually the thread I was reffering to earlier. I'm not big on sorting through movie lists / post to get to music info.

Music is a very personal thing and I'd like to see thread where someone that likes the Police can comment on the audio & concert quality and not just a sterile assessment on audio quality alone.

I have a musical preference for blues based guitarists, but I'm pretty wide open and really appreciate talent in most genres. While I consider the Police BD to be excellent, the best BD concert "recording" I've heard to date is Pat Metheny's "The Way Up Live", but I enjoy the Police BD more.

This is one of the best threads I've read in a while, sounds like I need to pick this up.

I will qualm with those who said not many good Blu-Ray concerts this recently, "Jewel - Essential Songbook" is reference, and "Foo Fighters - Live at Wembley" is one of my favorite concert DVD/Blu-Rays period (and I have probably 50 concerts).

I think there have been some great BR concerts released fairly recently. I agree with you on Jewel completely, but that Foo show is personaly one of the least impressive to my ears from a tech standpoint, but these music BR's are so subjective and some of the ones I consider to be "reference" others dont which is all good:)

Oh, Ok, that's actually the thread I was reffering to earlier. I'm not big on sorting through movie lists / post to get to music info.

Music is a very personal thing and I'd like to see thread where someone that likes the Police can comment on the audio & concert quality and not just a sterile assessment on audio quality alone.

I have a musical preference for blues based guitarists, but I'm pretty wide open and really appreciate talent in most genres. While I consider the Police BD to be excellent, the best BD concert "recording" I've heard to date is Pat Metheny's "The Way Up Live", but I enjoy the Police BD more.

You dont feel you can comment on both the audio and concert quality in this thread?

Since you like blues based guitarists, have you seen the John Mayer BR? Pretty strong blues vibe in the 2nd set and his main influence is SRV and the 2nd set in particular realy brings this out. Great material IMO and a great recording/mix to boot:)

You dont feel you can comment on both the audio and concert quality in this thread?

Since you like blues based guitarists, have you seen the John Mayer BR? Pretty strong blues vibe in the 2nd set and his main influence is SRV and the 2nd set in particular realy brings this out. Great material IMO and a great recording/mix to boot:)

Yes I do, all I'm saying is it would be cool to have a general thread to discuss all BD music we come across, and not just from a technical POV.

I've got John Mayer jamming on quite a few DVD's, he's been in the blues scene for a while now. He's an incredible talent who just keep getting better.

"Where The Light Is" is one that I'm kicking myself in the butt for, because I bought the DVD before I found out it was coming out on BD. It's a great example of where this guy is as an artist and I really like that he's introducing blues to his mainstream audience. Even on DVD the recording is excellent, good enough that I'm skeptical of spending the bucks to get the BD.

Yes I do, all I'm saying is it would be cool to have a general thread to discuss all BD music we come across, and not just from a technical POV.

I've got John Mayer jamming on quite a few DVD's, he's been in the blues scene for a while now. He's an incredible talent who just keep getting better.

"Where The Light Is" is one that I'm kicking myself in the butt for, because I bought the DVD before I found out it was coming out on BD. It's a great example of where this guy is as an artist and I really like that he's introducing blues to his mainstream audience. Even on DVD the recording is excellent, good enough that I'm skeptical of spending the bucks to get the BD.

I agree a general thread would be great.

Good to hear your thoughts on JM and glad you like this one as much as I do:)

I think there have been some great BR concerts released fairly recently. I agree with you on Jewel completely, but that Foo show is personaly one of the least impressive to my ears from a tech standpoint, but these music BR's are so subjective and some of the ones I consider to be "reference" others dont which is all good:)


Yea the Foo Fighters DVD just has spectacular music, and a spectacular performance (and crowd). Technically I agree its nothing "reference"... although the video is definitely high definition all the way ...

I think the second half of the Foo Fighters show is chock full of memorable musical moments.

Yea the Foo Fighters DVD just has spectacular music, and a spectacular performance (and crowd). Technically I agree its nothing "reference"... although the video is definitely high definition all the way ...

I think the second half of the Foo Fighters show is chock full of memorable musical moments.

I hear ya. It was intense watching JP and JPJ walk on stage for the few songs they played with the Foo at the end....WOW!

Just got the deluxe BD with the 2 cd's. I am trying to rip them to my HD to put on my mp3 player to enjoy at work and they are both coming up as Synchronicity???? Am I missing something or is this some sort of copy protection? :confused:

Just got the deluxe BD with the 2 cd's. I am trying to rip them to my HD to put on my mp3 player to enjoy at work and they are both coming up as Synchronicity???? Am I missing something or is this some sort of copy protection? :confused:

I had to do some weird juggling because my zune software didn't recognize the discs. They did have the tags for the tracks and albums, (probably because it wasn't an official separate CD only release) just came up as "unknown album" So i had to go track by track and name them. Rips ok though....

what format/bitrate is the surround track that will play over optical? does it also sound good? my receiver doesn't accept HDMI, so i am using optical.

what format/bitrate is the surround track that will play over optical? does it also sound good? my receiver doesn't accept HDMI, so i am using optical.

You get the legacy lossy tracks,[DD,DTS] much like you getting with DVD, but the data compression will be less then what's on DVD's. 640-1536kbps[DD +]and 1509kbps [DTS].

Hello All,
I just watched this the other night. I have had this BR since it came out and for some reason I have only watched it all the way through 1 time. The concert is amazing and the players are definitely at the top of their game. I do agree with one of the early posts that the Bass guitar is mixed to hot. I am listening to this on an Onkyo 705, with Audyssey on and the Bass Guitar is over powering on the bottom E and A strings. When Sting plays on the other higher strings the mix is perfect. All in all I do enjoy the punchiness of the Bass.:D FYI, had Dolby True HD as audio.

Hello All,
I just watched this the other night. I have had this BR since it came out and for some reason I have only watched it all the way through 1 time. The concert is amazing and the players are definitely at the top of their game. I do agree with one of the early posts that the Bass guitar is mixed to hot. I am listening to this on an Onkyo 705, with Audyssey on and the Bass Guitar is over powering on the bottom E and A strings. When Sting plays on the other higher strings the mix is perfect. All in all I do enjoy the punchiness of the Bass.:D FYI, had Dolby True HD as audio.


I disagree.......are your sub(s) eq'd flat? I found the bottom end perfect with my eq'd setup, BUT I would say you dont want to run your subs hot for this one as it is perfect the way it is if you have your low end eq'd.

Wow my gf bought this for me for my bday today and I am listening before going out to dinner and WOW. I love bass and have my new epik dynasty (she got it too ha) and I love the way the bass moves up and down. Maybe its the bday pre-dinner drinks talking but I am blown away!

Sorry to bump such an old thread... but, I got just got the set (BD + 2 CDs) for Christmas and it makes my mealey set up look and sound amazing.

It's one of the best BD disks I've watched so far.

Anybody looking to trade?