Ok gang. Ive officially stepped up to Blu Ray but of course im not getting the full glory of it because im still using a Sharp 10x.

Great projector but I know im really missing out on the 1080p capabilities.

So the wife says NO to spend $2500 on a projector right now.

Ok so this thread really had no purpose other than to bitch a bit.

Also my regular DVD player is upconverting over component because my projector does not have a HDM input.

Im feeling choked all over the place. Such a nice dedicated theater. So close....yet so far

:(

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with component. It will pass an excellent HD picture and there will never be handshaking issues.

Jim

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with component. It will pass an excellent HD picture and there will never be handshaking issues.

Jim


BUT...my projector is the Sharp 10x which I believe is only 1024 x768

look into a product called hdfury. It will take your upconverted hdmi signal and convert it to component/rgb.

BUT...my projector is the Sharp 10x which I believe is only 1024 x768

Have a look at the Sharp DT-510 They are < $600 recently and the 720p will look good even compared to your 576p. Check Amazon

I didn't think there were any DVD players that upconverted through the component cables???? I am under the impression that only HDMI will pass upconverted signals.

Component will definitely pass HD no problem but it won't upconvert as far as I know.

I have heard tell of some Chinese players that used to upconvert through component but that they are hard to find.

look into a product called hdfury. It will take your upconverted hdmi signal and convert it to component/rgb.

What would be the purpose of that? The projector can't do any better than 1024x768.

I didn't think there were any DVD players that upconverted through the component cables???? I am under the impression that only HDMI will pass upconverted signals.

Component will definitely pass HD no problem but it won't upconvert as far as I know.

I have heard tell of some Chinese players that used to upconvert through component but that they are hard to find.Speaking of which I have a Bravo D1 I don't use anymore if anyone is interested. PM me.

Okay - I am not a tech-phobe and can only share personal real-life experience as seen via personal eyeballs.

1. 1024X768 is as good HD resolution as 720 - however the aspect ratio of most is native 4:3 while most 720s are native 16:9. What this has come to mean to me is that both types will have null image areas across top and bottom of image as ALL consumer projectors and business formats must scale true widescreen films to their native configuration - alas, 16:9 only perfectly matches up with U.S. HD television programming - most all films are much wider than 16:9.

2. Up Conversion output not via Component so all ya get with component is native 480p resolution of standard dvds. So and as already posted (I think) the projector must have either a DVI or HDMI input to be able to accept Up Conversion resolution.

Does this make a difference?? YES!!! In our house we have no intention of buying into B.Ray and buying a 1080p projector at this time. Our standard def dvd movies (we own hundreds of them) look very near HD via Up Conversion via HDMI connection to our Panasonic 720p projector and we are content to wait quite a while for the prices of hardware and media (movies) come down as they most certainly will over the next year or so.

So, to us, Up Conversion gives us a very acceptable compromise of great looking movies while suffering the consequences of saving a lot of cash.

Problem is your 10x not having a digital input - our Canon "business" PJ is HD capable with DVI digital input and does a fantastic job with movies and is our backup PJ which we use now for outdoor theater.

I guess IMO the bad news for you is you won't get full bang from you B.Ray player and the associated much more expensive movie content with your current projector.

The possible good news is that if the War Department (your bride) won't allow a investment in a 1080p projector then do some careful bargain shopping for a nice 720p (or even 768 that is HD ready with digital input) to use as an interim projector. This iwll allow you to use the Up Conversion capability of your B.Ray player to enjoy all of your old standard dvd movies and also get a decent HD image from your newer B.Ray discs.

Take our word from a lot of experience that a standard def movie seen via Up Conversion looks very near HD - even when we stretch it to a 10 ft plus diagonal image size - even your penny pinching bride will take one look and go "WOW - this is just like being at the movies!!"
GoodLuck - hope our personal experience is helpful even in we have no techno-weenies in our house.
Jim
EDITED to add comment about bargain hunting for PJs. We bought our first PJ (the canon) at a closeout store broken for $50 as it was a CostCo return that came bundled with a really nifty Da-lite Da-snap fixed wall screen - then we paid Canon a few hundred to fix the projector.

Then almost two years ago we bought our Panasonic 720p 900U at that same closeout store - also from CostCo - a floor demo model with 88 hrs on the lamp - paid just $600 for it and with heavy use it still is working perfectly.

Point is - shop around and look around and you may find an interim projector with at least 720p native resolution and full digital input capability for a fraction of the cost of a new 1080p - this could give you interim HD movie watching that even your bride can't complain about.
goodluck

There are several routes that you can go.
One : buy Sharp DT-510 for around $600. It has HDMI out.
Two: Buy HD Fury (less than $200). use HDMI out on upconverting DVD player or BD player. The HD Fury can convert HDMI signal to component with out down converting to 480p.
Three: wait for prices to go down.

If your wife is the type of person to tell you "NO" when you want to spend your hard earned money here's what I would do :)

Im actually a very honest guy, however, sometimes a little white lie doesnt hurt.
Better projector=Happier man=happier home life=happier wife.

Solution:
Tell her something like this....

"Holy Crap honey, I just found this one time sale on this projector! I know its $2500, but to get one everywhere else, its $6000. Its a TOP OF LINE projector dear....even if I get it, and we dont like it or find its not worth the money, I could sell it for 4000 in a second!"

I plan on doing this at some point...lol

^^^ so I'm not the only one who does that.

There are some dvd players including PS3 that can upconvert (Zenith DV318, Oppo or HTPC) to 1080i and Sharp will display it at its native rez or 720 based on the set up. SD-DVD at 1080i or 720p looks great.

I owned the 10X for a while and SD-DVD looked great either at 480i feed or upconverted.

Blu-Ray stand alone will not upconvert SD-DVD via component but HDMI for which you will need Fury/Fury2.

What would be the purpose of that? The projector can't do any better than 1024x768.

:oDisregard. I now realize you're suggesting a solution for up converting over component from the BD player. It's still early...

AX200U=$1000. Accepts 1080p/24. Then wait a few years for LED. :)

Go through live.com cashback on e*** and get another $200 off that. So for $800 (or less, see some at $925 authorized dealers!) you are getting a 720p PJ with 2 HDMI inputs, plus the aforementioned 1080p/24 that if you read some posts, Blu Ray looks groovy. That's 1/3rd the cost your wife won't allow you to spend!! ;)

I am happy with my ax200u with an upconverting dvd player and have no desire to get br until pricing drops for movies/player.

1. Upconverting over component can give excellent results.
2. The main reason why upconverting over component doesn't work is copy protection schemes.
3. Usually you don't need to upconvert; put in 480i or 480p and the TV (or projector) will do any necessary upconverting internally.
4. A 4:3 768p projector gives you a 16:9 picture 576 pixels high. Or use an anamorphic lens to stretch the picture to be 16:9 while using 720 pixels vertically for 1:1 pixel matching or all 768 pixels vertically with a slight amount of additional scaling. Subject to the range of the vertical size setting on the projector.

I am trying to understand your explanation of black bars from playing blue ray with the Mitsubishi 1500 Projector: that is a 4:3 , 720 type machine so when play 16:9 movie, there is cropping. So instead to play blue ray movie in true form without cropping, I will need to buy a projector native 16:9 ,is that right?When I play BR with my 16:9 1080i TV , I don't get cropping.

I am trying to understand your explanation of black bars from playing blue ray with the Mitsubishi 1500 Projector: that is a 4:3 , 720 type machine so when play 16:9 movie, there is cropping. So instead to play blue ray movie in true form without cropping, I will need to buy a projector native 16:9 ,is that right?When I play BR with my 16:9 1080i TV , I don't get cropping.

The Mits HC1500 is a Native 16:9 PJ. Cinemascope movies are scaled to fit the 16:9 format so there is a slim black bar above and below the image.

A cinemascope movie on a native 4:3 PJ will have huge black bars above and below the image and you may be only using about half the total available lumens of a native 4:3 PJ because so much of the DMD/panels is not being used.

j-bo has a good suggestion regarding the Panasonic 720P AX200.

There are quite a few other inexpensive 720P projectors now.
Under a grand. That may tide you over until a 1080P comes into your price range or buy a used 1080P now.