Found this at blu-ray.com , Sucks that its region b. Hope it comes to the us...

http://www.filmcompagniet.dk/presse/video_dvd/images/2008/black_hawk_down_BD_cover_salg.jpg

F$(k!
I want. I want.
Ouch.. I just pulled some of my hair out. Will it play in a US BD player?

It's released in Sweden next wednesday along with Pulp Fiction if they will
honor the date for PF but it looks so!!

http://www.discshop.se/shop/ds_produkt.php?lang=&id=70117&lang=se&subsite=bluray&&ref=

Who cares? The domestic is PCM. Or are you excited for the extra 2 chnls?

Who cares? The domestic is PCM. Or are you excited for the extra 2 chnls?

Maybe the video is encoded as AVC. Other SF releases has used AVC.

Who cares? The domestic is PCM. Or are you excited for the extra 2 chnls?

There is a lack of real high definition detail in the MPEG2 edition of Black Hawk Down as well as EE.....It's far from being ok and this is probably due to the MPEG2 codec and being one of the early releases and one of the first on a BD-50 ( which doesn't help matters at all )

A new release using the AVC codec would be great news if the detail levels are improved.

You can disagree with my assessment but the original is a massive disappointment to me.

A new release using the AVC codec would be great news if the detail levels are improved.


If any title would benefit from using modern codecs, I guess BHD would be one of them. But dont have to high hopes of major pq improvments,
it was shoot with an extra gritty look, that hurts the technical PQ compared to a studioshoot movie.

I thought the disc looked great. But yeah, I see your point. A new AVC would probably benefit.

The U.S. version looks and sounds great. I don't have a 7.1 setup but can understand wanting it for those that do have it.

Who cares? The domestic is PCM. Or are you excited for the extra 2 chnls?
Paul, I have the US version and yes the PCM 16-bit is nice. I would not mine an 7.1 DTS-HD MA 24-bit. I think that would really blow up the house.

Black Hawk down PQ was excellent. Taking into account that some have already said the audio is a wash or not going to be all that, some are going to upgrade if they own it to get a slightly better PQ that 99% of viewers won't even see a difference except a few on this forum.

It seems as though the barely noticeable improvement is more important that actually watching the film itself.

Paul, I have the US version and yes the PCM 16-bit is nice. I would not mine an 7.1 DTS-HD MA 24-bit. I think that would really blow up the house.
That was my thinking too. Hurray for excess.;)
Plus it just looks right on the back of the BHD case.:)

When you guys lay hands on these disks please let us know what the deal is.

What's the deal with the extras? Any on there?

What's the deal with the extras? Any on there?

Couldnt find any extras on the backcover, but considering SF track record of their own produced BDs I wouldnt hope for much extras at all.

I could pick this up and compare, but since I already own the UK BD of this and the price of this is 30$, im not to eager to rebuy. (That would also be the fifth time i buy this movie...)

NORDIC (AVC, left) vs US (MPEG2, right)


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theres a little difference in colour, the nordic version is a little more red. anyone able to tell, whether this is intended or not (as the colour problem with Sin City Nordic for example)?

Other than that, in motion the higher AVC bitrate pays off.

Compression is vastly better on the first 3 shots! thats well worth an upgrade if you want it perfect, shows you how poor the old encode really is as you see grain on the new one, just compressed blocks on the old one. Shame I bought the lesser old one recently :( gutted now as I would love the better version.

F$(k!
I want. I want.
Ouch.. I just pulled some of my hair out. Will it play in a US BD player?


Has this question been answered?

Would like to know whether the Nordic BD

1) Is Region Free ?
2) Features DTS-HD MA 7.1 16-bit or 24-bit or DTS-HD HR 7.1 ?
3) Features English subs ?

Would like to know whether the Nordic BD

1) Is Region Free ?
2) Features DTS-HD MA 7.1 16-bit or 24-bit or DTS-HD HR 7.1 ?
3) Features English subs ?

Well, unless it's marked wrong, the DTS-HD logo does say Master Audio under DTS.

Curious about the other questions too...

Run a BDInfo scan on it! http://www.cinemasquid.com/Tools.aspx

Would like to know whether the Nordic BD

1) Is Region Free ?
2) Features DTS-HD MA 7.1 16-bit or 24-bit or DTS-HD HR 7.1 ?
3) Features English subs ?

What I got from asking around:
1) Yes (I have Pulp Fiction which is by the same studio, and it plays fine on Region A players, enough though there's a Region B logo on the box and disc)
2) 7.1 Master
3) No, only Danish, Finish, Norwegian, Swedish

Not a single special feature if it matters, the only non-menu m2ts on the disc is for the movie, at 36GB.

its 16-bit, as the LPCM track is.

Run a BDInfo scan on it! http://www.cinemasquid.com/Tools.aspx
done, added it into the stickied thread

done, added it into the stickied thread

Thanks! Got any other discs we don't have in the list yet?

Is there an English friendly site to order this?

Is there an English friendly site to order this?

I'd be interested in this as well.

Is there an English friendly site to order this?

http://www.axelmusic.dk/productDetails/5704028213668

Just choose the English language at the top of the page.

Thanks! Got any other discs we don't have in the list yet?
nope, I dont have that many :S

Does it let you choose the language of the menu's on startup? Or automatically detect English menu's from your players settings? If not, what language are the menu's in?

Lastly, does this have foreign language subs that automatically appear when playing the movie?

at the beginning there is basically only one menu screen in which you can choose between swedish, danish, norge and finnish (displayed are svenska, dansk, norsk, suomi) and then the main movie begins with subtitles of the language you chose before (which you can deactivate then of course).

so theres no real menu in the classic sense, just this one screen to choose the language for subs.

at the beginning there is basically only one menu screen in which you can choose between swedish, danish, norge and finnish (displayed are svenska, dansk, norsk, suomi) and then the main movie begins with subtitles of the language you chose before (which you can deactivate then of course).

so theres no real menu in the classic sense, just this one screen to choose the language for subs.

What is the procedure for deactivating the subtitles?

http://www.axelmusic.dk/productDetails/5704028213668

Just choose the English language at the top of the page.

Thank you, ordered! :)

thank you, ordered! :)

+1

What is the procedure for deactivating the subtitles?
only tried it with powerdvd, rightclick -> subtitles -> off ;)

Sounds exactly like Pulp Fiction Danish release, you have to pick which subs at the start then manually switch them off when the movie is playing.

+1

Unfortunately they sent me the wrong version. I have sent them an e-mail informing them of their error, but have not yet received a response.

Hi, so anyone confirm this is region free?

It will atleast play in region A, I have played it.

How much is this in U.S. dollars?

Can someone confirm that the Nordic/Scandinavian release of Black Hawk Down is the definitive version to get? I absolutely love this movie and I'm dying to buy the best version that I can get.

Can someone confirm that the Nordic/Scandinavian release of Black Hawk Down is the definitive version to get? I absolutely love this movie and I'm dying to buy the best version that I can get.

If you care nothing about extras...I guess. But there are apparently some versions that are AVC and TrueHD I believe.

Japan is coming out with a version in April. Not sure what the deal is with that one yet.

If you care nothing about extras...I guess. But there are apparently some versions that are AVC and TrueHD I believe.

Japan is coming out with a version in April. Not sure what the deal is with that one yet.

Which other versions have the AVC and True HD tracks? To be honest, I never really care all that much about the extras. It'll be great if the disc have it, but my #1 priority has always been the movie.

How do you know Japan is getting a copy?

Really like to know where i can get this, or if i should hold off for japanese release? I always need the best versions of my favorite movies.

Really like to know where i can get this, or if i should hold off for japanese release? I always need the best versions of my favorite movies.

I just did a quick search on Google and it said the release has been cancelled. Is this true? If so, then the Scandinavian version may be the best version available for purchase.

If you care nothing about extras...I guess. But there are apparently some versions that are AVC and TrueHD I believe.

Japan is coming out with a version in April. Not sure what the deal is with that one yet.

I just did a quick search on Google and it said the release has been cancelled. Is this true? If so, then the Scandinavian version may be the best version available for purchase.

From what I could locate, the Japanese version slated for an April release is...
Audio Track; English: Linear PCM 5.1ch Surround & Japanese: Dolby TrueHD 5.1ch Surround

One or two sites like CD Japan are stating that the release has been canceled, butbut Amazon.jp is still taking preorders.

Can someone confirm that the Nordic/Scandinavian release of Black Hawk Down is the definitive version to get? I absolutely love this movie and I'm dying to buy the best version that I can get.in terms of PQ yes, but in terms of AQ the LPCM 5.1 of the US disc sounds better.

was the movie even originally mixed in 7.1? i have a 6.1 setup, which the player will matrix any 5.1 disc to, but if BHD was originally 5.1, is the 7.1 disc really just an "up conversion"?

edit.

in terms of PQ yes, but in terms of AQ the LPCM 5.1 of the US disc sounds better.

Can you explain why the u.s. sounds better? Should they not be the same or at least the dts-ma 7.1 sound a bit better if you have a 7.1 setup.

Information about the Japanese version is here:
http://visual.ponycanyon.co.jp/

You can search for it there with this release ID: PCXP-50005.

Runtime is indicated as 145 minutes so I think it's not an extended version. Video encoding will be in MPEG-4/AVC.

Audio tracks listed as:

1 Original 5.1ch Surround (English)
2 dub 5.1ch Surround (Japanese)
3 Audio commentary (Director & Producer) 2.0ch Stereo (English)
4 Audio commentary (Cast & writer) 2.0ch Stereo (English)
5 audio commentary (Task Force Ranger veterans) 2.0ch Stereo (English)

Audio formats listed as:
DOLBY DIGITAL
Linear PCM
MLP (TrueHD)

I'm not sure then which tracks will be in which formats but pretty likely the original audio is in a lossless format, either LPCM or TrueHD then.

Subtitles are listed as:
Japanese subtitles
Voiceover subtitles
English subtitles
3 x Audio commentary subtitles

Extras:
Story & Characters / military training / Location / Score Film / visual effects / after a shooting / award speech

So can anyone clear this up for me.

1. Is the japanese cancelled or not?

2. Why does dts-ma version not sound as good?????

3. When you say the nordic version does not have english subtitles, does that mean even when you have subtitles off, but play it in english, and the people are speaking somolian it wont show what their saying in english?

All in all besides the comment about sound, and the subtitles, this seemed like a winner.

So can anyone clear this up for me.

1. Is the japanese cancelled or not?

2. Why does dts-ma version not sound as good?????

3. When you say the nordic version does not have english subtitles, does that mean even when you have subtitles off, but play it in english, and the people are speaking somolian it wont show what their saying in english?

All in all besides the comment about sound, and the subtitles, this seemed like a winner.

Cant say that I noticed any difference in sound. Usually difference in output volume and placebo can make people hear alot of difference between tracks.

As for subtitles I have to check that one for you.

EDIT

English subtitles is on the master, when the somalians are speaking. So they are hardencoded.

So is it worth it to import this one or not? In another thread i think backlac said theirs not much difference visually? Any comments? Is it worth the import?

Can you explain why the u.s. sounds better? Should they not be the same or at least the dts-ma 7.1 sound a bit better if you have a 7.1 setup.there seem to be quite some nordic releases which feature 7.1 audio, but from what I've heard they are mostly upmixes.
To me this 7.1 track sounded a bit flat compared to the 5.1 track, there was just a bit of dynamic and bass missing.

So is it worth it to import this one or not? In another thread i think backlac said theirs not much difference visually? Any comments? Is it worth the import?it depends on what you want to do. if its really your favourite movie and you have enough time and patience to combine both audio and video from both discs or are more in favourite of the video in general compared to the audio, then go for it.

Im just more curious if this version is a noticeable improvement in video? For instance to me watchmen was a noticeable improvement, the uk version vs the u.s. version. Is this one noticeable.

I have a projector system. Backlac seemed to say that only a few scenes with macro blocking did not exhibit it, thats about the only difference?

Im just more curious if this version is a noticeable improvement in video? For instance to me watchmen was a noticeable improvement, the uk version vs the u.s. version. Is this one noticeable.

I have a projector system. Backlac seemed to say that only a few scenes with macro blocking did not exhibit it, thats about the only difference?

Its hard to say how noticable the improvement really is. Macroblocking can be very hard to see during playback. I only watched my UK edition of Black Hawk Down one before I sold it and bought this one instead. And I cant say it was a groundbreaking difference between the 2. Maybe it will differs now when I know what to look for?

Its no question that the SF release is better from a technical perspective. But if you can get the other cheaper maybe you should stick with that.

NORDIC (AVC, left) vs US (MPEG2, right)


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Next time put NSFW (Not Safe For Work) in your title so people who are at work don't click on your image links and have their boss walk by and see NAKED TITTIES on the screen..

You coulda just used Imageshack... :rolleyes:

Information about the Japanese version is here:
http://visual.ponycanyon.co.jp/

You can search for it there with this release ID: PCXP-50005.

Runtime is indicated as 145 minutes so I think it's not an extended version. Video encoding will be in MPEG-4/AVC.

Audio tracks listed as:

1 Original 5.1ch Surround (English)
2 dub 5.1ch Surround (Japanese)
3 Audio commentary (Director & Producer) 2.0ch Stereo (English)
4 Audio commentary (Cast & writer) 2.0ch Stereo (English)
5 audio commentary (Task Force Ranger veterans) 2.0ch Stereo (English)

Audio formats listed as:
DOLBY DIGITAL
Linear PCM
MLP (TrueHD)

I'm not sure then which tracks will be in which formats but pretty likely the original audio is in a lossless format, either LPCM or TrueHD then.

Subtitles are listed as:
Japanese subtitles
Voiceover subtitles
English subtitles
3 x Audio commentary subtitles

Extras:
Story & Characters / military training / Location / Score Film / visual effects / after a shooting / award speech

I tried to do a search on that site, but nothing materialized. Should I just get the Nordic release then? I'm not sure what I'm going to gain by waiting for the Japanese version to be released even though the result of my earlier googling seems to suggest that the Japanese version has been cancelled.

I tried to do a search on that site, but nothing materialized. Should I just get the Nordic release then? I'm not sure what I'm going to gain by waiting for the Japanese version to be released even though the result of my earlier googling seems to suggest that the Japanese version has been cancelled.

The Japanese release might be getting cancelled or postponed as the info about it has disappeared from Pony Canyon's web site and from many other Japanese listings, though it's still listed in Amazon Japan and YesAsia and some other sites.

Next time put NSFW (Not Safe For Work) in your title so people who are at work don't click on your image links and have their boss walk by and see NAKED TITTIES on the screen..

You coulda just used Imageshack... :rolleyes:sorry, never noticed that before though :D

In order to do a 7.1 mix of some quality you need the original audio stems and talented audio engineers.

Films like Hellboy II have awesome 7.1 re-mixes because the original audio team had the wherewithal to create enough separate multi-track audio stems (dialog, music, sound effects) to do full and highly detailed 360 degree panning. Then that team, along with the director, sat down with Mi Casa Multimedia's mixers and they worked together on getting it right.

A lot of 7.1 mixes coming from other distributors around the globe probably don't have these kinds of tools to work with and probably do pseudo upconverts.