View Full Version : Panny AE3000U Issues (Owners Only Please)?
Brajesh 11-14-08, 01:47 PM I'm just curious as I've now had stuck pixels with 2 units so far (3rd & final unit en route). One had convergence issues (> 1 pixel width), but the other had fairly good convergence.
Panny AE3000U owners only, please respond to choices in the poll. Thanks.
I have two stuck blue pixels but I never notice them so no biggie.
I bought 2 of these...one for theater and one for bedroom...Both units are in perfect working condition and have zero convergence issues, and no pixel issues...I am thrilled with the performance of the new 3000U. :)
No noticeable issues on my AE3000..
Working perfectly. :)
Brajesh 11-14-08, 07:51 PM I have two stuck blue pixels but I never notice them so no biggie.
I saw mine anytime there were any dark/black scenes, especially since I knew where they were. But, if they don't bother you, it's a non-issue.
logain2000 11-14-08, 09:35 PM PERFECT !! I am in love with mine;)
aquafire 11-15-08, 09:18 AM Over 30% issues so far....ouch.
Just got one of these also. No issues and I love it. Night and day difference between my previous sim2 300e projector.
ricwhite 11-15-08, 11:21 AM I'm avoiding this projector unless the "satisfied" rating is at least 90%. At 70% (current level) it would indicate that 30% are having issues which is horrendously high.
peteer01 11-15-08, 11:31 AM I'm avoiding this projector unless the "satisfied" rating is at least 90%. At 70% (current level) it would indicate that 30% are having issues which is horrendously high.It kind of reminded me of this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=6455) I started: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=6455
Looking at that, it looks like these numbers aren't too crazy.
Also, it kind of jumped out at me that one choice was "perfect or acceptable to me". Depending on the person, those could be very close or very different.
I didn't vote, because I don't own one. I'll likely purchase the TW4000, and I'll do it at a local major Japanese electronics store to make sure I have speedy and easy recourse when/if something goes wrong.
Texas steve 11-15-08, 12:21 PM I bought 2 of these...one for theater and one for bedroom...Both units are in perfect working condition and have zero convergence issues, and no pixel issues...I am thrilled with the performance of the new 3000U. :)
Ditto!!
Kelvin1965S 11-15-08, 12:51 PM Threads like these often tend to attract those with negative comments, users that are happy with their purchase often don't post back to say so. I'm spending much less time on the PJ forums since I got mine, as I'm happy with it.
I'm only waiting to see if the Cine4home filter materialises and I figure any AE3000 thread might be the likely place I'll find out, plus I've emailed one of the franchises. If they respond I'll probably not need to visit so often myself. :)
tebbens 11-15-08, 04:47 PM I'm not an expert, but my 3000 looks great, no dead or stuck pixels.
How would I check for convergence issues ??
tebbens 11-15-08, 05:01 PM I'm just curious as I've now had stuck pixels with 2 units so far (3rd & final unit en route). One had convergence issues (> 1 pixel width), but the other had fairly good convergence.
Panny AE3000U owners only, please respond to choices in the poll. Thanks.
How many stuck pixels ?
I purchased my 3k from VisualApex.
I should have read about their dead/stuck pixel policy before I bought,
although I don't have any dead or stuck pixels.
Whats the pixel policy on where you purchased ?
ricwhite 11-15-08, 05:05 PM I'm not an expert, but my 3000 looks great, no dead or stuck pixels.
How would I check for convergence issues ??
If you're not aware of what color uniformity or convergence issues look like, I would strongly recommend that you remain that way. You'll have a much more peaceful and fulfilled theater experience. Once you're made "aware", you will be bothered by them for the rest of your natural life. :)
Bytehoven 11-15-08, 06:14 PM if you're not aware of what color uniformity or convergence issues look like, i would strongly recommend that you remain that way. You'll have a much more peaceful and fulfilled theater experience. Once you're made "aware", you will be bothered by them for the rest of your natural life. :)
+1
If you're not aware of what color uniformity or convergence issues look like, I would strongly recommend that you remain that way. You'll have a much more peaceful and fulfilled theater experience. Once you're made "aware", you will be bothered by them for the rest of your natural life. :)
I agree...Just watch your movies and enjoy your new projector, otherwise you'll wind up like one of the many miserable, picky, critics who spend all their time trying to find flaws in a projector and never actually "watch" movies or get a chance to enjoy them...;)
peteer01 11-15-08, 10:21 PM If you're not aware of what color uniformity or convergence issues look like, I would strongly recommend that you remain that way. You'll have a much more peaceful and fulfilled theater experience. Once you're made "aware", you will be bothered by them for the rest of your natural life. :)+1 here too. :p
Sometimes ignorance really is bliss. ;)
Bytehoven 11-15-08, 11:24 PM Sometimes ignorance really is bliss. ;)
Exactly! :D Use AVS to find your projector and then delete the bookmark! :p
Still, once you know about the various artifacts of the DLP/LCD/LCos/SXRD/D-ILA projectors, it is possible to persue perfection. However, there is no free lunch and better QC and performance usually comes at a price.
frank456 11-16-08, 12:16 AM +1:)
peteer01 11-16-08, 01:05 AM Exactly! :D Use AVS to find your projector and then delete the bookmark! :pHa! I won't delete the bookmark, but if my soon-to-be-purchased next projector works to my expectations (including limited convergence issues and good color uniformity), expect my postings to peak and then taper off between then and when the Fall 2009 projectors begin to be announced, because, well, assuming I'm happy with what I've got, no need look for reasons not to be happy. ;)
Ingeborgdot 11-16-08, 10:22 AM I'm avoiding this projector unless the "satisfied" rating is at least 90%. At 70% (current level) it would indicate that 30% are having issues which is horrendously high.
Then you won't be buying any pj anytime soon. If all the pjs had a poll started like this all of them would have some with issues.
Bytehoven 11-16-08, 12:24 PM Ing... No problems being reported with the Sony SXRD HW10. The only issue with the Sony HW10 is that it cost more than the AE3000, but then again, maybe the extra $$$ is buying better QC and features like on board RGB convergence. :D
Ingeborgdot 11-16-08, 01:48 PM Yes there is. Cine4home has been reporting a degradation of the panel. I would have thought about the 10 but it has too short of a throw.
Bytehoven 11-16-08, 02:23 PM Cine4home has modified it's initial claim, and while they have observed something with a couple of Sony projectors (none of which were the HW10), they have not provided any evidence that there is a systemic problem. Actually, Cine4home has said they did not intend to discredit SXRD technology.
There are hundreds of SXRD projector owners on AVS and none of them have reported panel degradation.
My Sony tech support contacts have said they will investigate further, but were not aware of any reports of panel degradation on SXRD projectors.
There have been issues with SXRD based RPTVs, but those issues were related to poor heat dissipation and not inherent SXRD panel longevity problems.
So, you are perpetuating an unsubstantiated myth, which will only serve to cause folks to not consider a projector worthy of their consideration.
d james 11-16-08, 03:32 PM Ha, very good advice. Before I started hanging around these forums I never thought there were any problems to look for, and some like banding, I thought was just a normal aspect of movies. Now I'm constantly looking out for errors and it does take away from the movie experience.
Brajesh 11-16-08, 05:31 PM How many stuck pixels ?
2-3 together on the first unit (was a large blue glow); 1 stuck pixel on second unit.
Ingeborgdot 11-16-08, 07:43 PM Where did Cine4home modify their claim. I missed it. I am just going by what I read from Cine4home. There were people on here that claim everything that Cine4home says is always true. So you are saying that what they said is a myth?
Bytehoven 11-16-08, 08:25 PM Where did Cine4home modify their claim. I missed it. I am just going by what I read from Cine4home. There were people on here that claim everything that Cine4home says is always true. So you are saying that what they said is a myth?
I suggest anyone interested in reading up on the SXRD degradation discussion should read theis thread: Sony VPL-HW10 vs Panasonic AE3000 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1062793)
It doesn't matter if you believe what cine4home posts is always true (or not), if they have said they don't have enough info to draw the conclusion you are perpetuating.
A myth? Until cine4home or any other responsible reviewer can present evidence of systemic SXRD panel degradation, and in leu of how no other AVS SXRD projector owners have posted panel degradation problems, yes it is a myth. Unfortunately a pernicious myth which does nothing but damage the perception of SXRD technology without substantive fact.
Ing... No problems being reported with the Sony SXRD HW10. The only issue with the Sony HW10 is that it cost more than the AE3000, but then again, maybe the extra $$$ is buying better QC and features like on board RGB convergence. :D
I had the Sony and sent it back in Favor of the Panny...I didn't have any problems "per say" with the Sony, I just preferred the Panny 3000U over the HW10 (and saved some $$ to boot). As far as problems with the Sony? give it time and you will see more and more owners of the Sony complaining about this or that...It was the same with the VW60. 99% of the so-called complaints on projectors are in the owners head IMO...trust me, I have never had an issue with a Panasonic projector. Optoma? YES... BenQ? YES. Sony is also pretty reliable, but for some reason Panasonic seems to stay on top of the Projector world. For the last 5 years at least they have been the number 1 projector on projectorCentral. The new Panny 3000U already sits on top of the heap over there...(and for good reason). There seems to be alot of politics and "projector back stabbing" going on here. I'd advise any new members to not take any opinions off this site. Just buy your top 2 choices from a reputable dealer with a 4 hour lamp time limit and compare them both and send the one back that you like the least. I chose the Panny over the Sony, and am very, very, happy with my purchase...;)
Bytehoven 11-16-08, 10:56 PM For the last 5 years at least they have been the number 1 projector on projectorCentral. The new Panny 3000U already sits on top of the heap over there...
Panasonic does a better job of coming out of the gate at the best price as compared to the competition. It will take Sony well into the new year before we start to see pricing on the HW10 in the mid to low $2000 range. That has been their pattern with previous projectors launched in the $3000-3500 space.
I agree with your suggestion to order a couple of projectors from a vendor with a good return policy, and let your own eyes/wallet decide what's best.
:D
Ingeborgdot 11-17-08, 07:54 AM I had the Sony and sent it back in Favor of the Panny...I didn't have any problems "per say" with the Sony, I just preferred the Panny 3000U over the HW10 (and saved some $$ to boot). As far as problems with the Sony? give it time and you will see more and more owners of the Sony complaining about this or that...It was the same with the VW60. 99% of the so-called complaints on projectors are in the owners head IMO...trust me, I have never had an issue with a Panasonic projector. Optoma? YES... BenQ? YES. Sony is also pretty reliable, but for some reason Panasonic seems to stay on top of the Projector world. For the last 5 years at least they have been the number 1 projector on projectorCentral. The new Panny 3000U already sits on top of the heap over there...(and for good reason). There seems to be alot of politics and "projector back stabbing" going on here. I'd advise any new members to not take any opinions off this site. Just buy your top 2 choices from a reputable dealer with a 4 hour lamp time limit and compare them both and send the one back that you like the least. I chose the Panny over the Sony, and am very, very, happy with my purchase...;)
Did you ever get one of those dreaded dust blobs with the 2000? or 3000?
I just got my AE 3000 Friday and thrilled with my purchase, no issues whatsoever. This is my 4th projector having replaced the NEC HT 1000. Image is night and day different and the 3000 is better in everyway right down to the remote and ease of navigating the menus.
If you're not aware of what color uniformity or convergence issues look like, I would strongly recommend that you remain that way. You'll have a much more peaceful and fulfilled theater experience. Once you're made "aware", you will be bothered by them for the rest of your natural life. :)
Stay away from the blu-ray DNR threads too.
Brajesh 11-17-08, 01:19 PM I'm happy to be in the picky bunch :). Once I'm aware there's a visible issue, I can't tune it out & not not let it bother me.
tebbens 11-17-08, 04:49 PM Stay away from the blu-ray DNR threads too.
Now I'm afraid to ask what a blu-ray DNR is ! :(
magnust 11-17-08, 05:29 PM Panasonic does a better job of coming out of the gate at the best price as compared to the competition. It will take Sony well into the new year before we start to see pricing on the HW10 in the mid to low $2000 range. That has been their pattern with previous projectors launched in the $3000-3500 space.
It is interesting that in Europe the panny is more expensive then the sony. Myself I prefered the hw10 and saved money as well by getting the cheaper one of the two :D
The problem with AVS members (myself included) is that
1. We are perfectionists
2. We all have some form of OCD
3. We will continuously scrutinize anything until we find a fault in it.
4. We are true Home Theater Enthusiasts.
:D:D:D:D:D
logain2000 11-18-08, 12:02 AM The problem with AVS members (myself included) is that
1. We are perfectionists
2. We all have some form of OCD
3. We will continuously scrutinize anything until we find a fault in it.
4. We are true Home Theater Enthusiasts.
:D:D:D:D:D
How many times have you been divorced?
Dave Mack 11-18-08, 03:42 AM damn...
How many times have you been divorced?
Never, happily married for 16 years.:D
Stew4msu 11-18-08, 09:57 PM Why in Gods name do people keep making these polls without making them public?
Polls in and of themselves don't have a lot of validity. When you don't make the poll public, it has ZERO validity.
aquafire 11-18-08, 10:00 PM Truth hurts I guess :)
Seems to me its pretty evident who has issues, who's happy, and who the Panny fanboys are.
Bytehoven 11-18-08, 10:12 PM I'll go on record. I voted (1) in the poll.
Had the poll included some of the other known issues, there might have been some additional "problem" votes.
Brajesh 11-19-08, 12:19 PM What do you mean by making the poll public? This poll is open to any AVS member; I only asked owners to vote. Or, do you mean open to anyone outside AVS?
As for poll choices, I should have added 'I see dust blobs' as an option. Another issue, although minor perhaps by comparison, is uniformity/focus. My focus on the top-right corner is not as good as the center and left. If I adjust focus to improve top-right, the focus on the rest of the screen gets worse. The worst offender to me is a stuck pixel or two.
JohnRockets 11-19-08, 12:35 PM What do you mean by making the poll public? This poll is open to any AVS member; I only asked owners to vote. Or, do you mean open to anyone outside AVS?
As for poll choices, I should have added 'I see dust blobs' as an option. Another issue, although minor perhaps by comparison, is uniformity/focus. My focus on the top-right corner is not as good as the center and left. If I adjust focus to improve top-right, the focus on the rest of the screen gets worse. The worst offender to me is a stuck pixel or two.
I think what he means is accountablility/transparancy. For instance if somebody is 'peeved about having a problem with their ae3000 they could be logging in as multiple users and voting problems more than once. I too thought of this, but not for long.
Bytehoven 11-19-08, 01:17 PM Public poll usually means the AVS member name is recorded with the vote and is shown in the poll.
This helps aprovide some degree of assurance we have AE3000 owners voting in the poll rather than just anyone.
Brajesh 11-19-08, 01:53 PM Will do next time I set up any poll. Poll doesn't allow any member to vote multiple times now, but I agree non-owners might vote and we wouldn't know.
Did you ever get one of those dreaded dust blobs with the 2000? or 3000?
Never. I have owned the 300U, the 500U, the 700U, the 900U, the AX100U, the 1000U, the 2000U, and now the 3000U, and not one dust blob.
Ingeborgdot 11-20-08, 07:42 AM Isn't that interesting. You just gotta wonder why some people get them.
Never. I have owned the 300U, the 500U, the 700U, the 900U, the AX100U, the 1000U, the 2000U, and now the 3000U, and not one dust blob.
dogone
I also had the 300u (2 dust blobs); the 500U (1 dust blob); the 900U (0 dust blobs) and now the 2000U (400+ hs = 0 dust blob). Always had them ceiling mounted, fan high.
Fernando
Darth Indy 11-25-08, 03:34 AM I have 2 dead pixels and 1 stuck blue pixel. Also just saw a freakin' dust blob. Overall though I love the 3000u and its best pic I have ever seen thus far. I'm peeved though as I thought they fixed dust blob issue.
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