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paul nyc
11-14-08, 03:36 PM
Hi,

Just received this and will offer my impressions this weekend.

robertc88
11-14-08, 04:07 PM
Enjoyed it alot in the theater. On my hot list to purchase. I'll check back and thanks in advance!

Toe
11-14-08, 04:17 PM
Curious to hear your audio report on this title:)

Suzook
11-14-08, 04:53 PM
HOW the heck are you getting these so early !!!!!!!!!!

Dave_6
11-14-08, 07:35 PM
HOW the heck are you getting these so early !!!!!!!!!!

Wait until he gets the Dark Knight early! :eek::eek::eek:

butsu
11-14-08, 08:17 PM
What's a fast one.I saw in the theater and it was fun and good sound too.Wish this BD.is a reference quality one.Wow.

raoul_duke
11-14-08, 09:47 PM
Poor bugger. Rancid movie this was.

rover2002
11-14-08, 10:56 PM
poor bugger. Rancid movie this was.

+100

R Harkness
11-14-08, 10:57 PM
Wait until he gets the Dark Knight early! :eek::eek::eek:

A forum member already received Dark Knight!

Decado2
11-14-08, 11:35 PM
Want to know if there is enough extra footage to make a director's cut.

rover2002
11-14-08, 11:45 PM
A forum member already received Dark Knight!

Wow!

Sujay
11-14-08, 11:50 PM
A forum member already received Dark Knight!

whoa, really?! any thread about this?

R Harkness
11-15-08, 12:06 AM
Forum member Chris Dallas (he's in the film business). He's just said it looks fantastic.
Not a lot more.

robertc88
11-15-08, 09:02 AM
HOW the heck are you getting these so early !!!!!!!!!!

I doubt most would like the price tag if it is the same resource though I'd like to get Dark Knight ASAP.

mpalmieri1203
11-15-08, 12:53 PM
HOW the heck are you getting these so early !!!!!!!!!!

Way easy..in NYC the small shops dont follow the street date. But they charge 36.99-39.99 per disc.

Matt_Stevens
11-15-08, 04:00 PM
I loved this movie. Big time.

MSmith83
11-15-08, 04:21 PM
I loved this movie. Big time.

Same here. The trailers made this movie look awful, but it actually turned out to be quite entertaining.

Decado2
11-15-08, 05:20 PM
I loved this movie. Big time.
I enjoyed it, as well. Not nearly as good as it would have been if they stuck to the comic, but it was still fun. Could have used a bit more action in the middle of the film.

paul nyc
11-16-08, 10:09 AM
Way easy..in NYC the small shops dont follow the street date. But they charge 36.99-39.99 per disc.

Or you get a copy from Universal.

bases1616
11-16-08, 12:58 PM
Or you get a copy from Universal.
Paul, Are we going to get your impressions this weekend? You have some good write ups on the movies you receive.

mpalmieri1203
11-16-08, 11:43 PM
Or you get a copy from Universal.

I was just stating that if you live in the NYC area and you want the disc early it's there if you go into a small non-chain shop. NO ONE seems to abide by the street date.

Sleeping beauty and Iron Man were on the shelves 3-4 weeks before release. And Indy 2 weeks.

House
11-20-08, 11:17 AM
DISC INFO:

Disc Title: WANTED
Disc Size: 43,022,698,268 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: Yes

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00000.MPLS
Size: 24,122,032,128 bytes
Length: 1:50:00 (h:m:s)
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DTS Express English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / 24-bit

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mrtwstr
11-20-08, 11:45 AM
I enjoyed it right up until the end... then it stretched the bounds of credibility just a weee bit too far for me :)

paul nyc
11-20-08, 12:12 PM
Sorry for the delay guys, I've been swamped here at work and haven't had a chance to check out the WANTED disc, among others.

In the future, I'll make sure i have a brief review ready before mentioning i've received the disc.

Thanks,
P

townofturley
11-20-08, 06:11 PM
Hi,

Just received this and will offer my impressions this weekend.

Why not just start the thread when you actually have something of substance to report?

BTW, my copies of Shawshank and Day The Earth Stood Still shipped today for delivery on Monday. Will not watch until the next weekend and will post my thoughts at that time.

jkcheng122
11-20-08, 06:16 PM
I enjoyed it right up until the end... then it stretched the bounds of credibility just a weee bit too far for me :)

that didnt happen for you til the end???

heterology
11-20-08, 06:17 PM
Why not just start the thread when you actually have something of substance to report?

BTW, my copies of Shawshank and Day The Earth Stood Still shipped today for delivery on Monday. Will not watch until the next weekend and will post my thoughts at that time.

Boy, now that's a classic!:)

butsu
11-20-08, 10:49 PM
I think this film like the Night Watch,Day Watch,in his directed styled,Like people like The Matrix,also in it's styled.The end is too easy "one bullet for all".The good side of ths movie is sound which is excellent.

paul nyc
11-20-08, 11:32 PM
Why not just start the thread when you actually have something of substance to report?

BTW, my copies of Shawshank and Day The Earth Stood Still shipped today for delivery on Monday. Will not watch until the next weekend and will post my thoughts at that time.

Read what i wrote right before your comment.

Alan Gouger
11-21-08, 12:06 AM
Paul I received my copy today. I really enjoyed it and the PQ was first rate as was the sound.

paul nyc
11-21-08, 12:23 AM
Paul I received my copy today. I really enjoyed it and the PQ was first rate as was the sound.

Good to hear. Hopefully i can sit down this weekend and check it out.

GizmoDVD
11-24-08, 12:24 AM
To those that have this...anyone know the binary code to access the "Code of Assasins" hidden feature?

FilmMixer
11-24-08, 01:13 AM
I think this film like the Night Watch,Day Watch,in his directed styled,Like people like The Matrix,also in it's styled.The end is too SPOILERS REMOVED. The good side of ths movie is sound which is excellent.

Please make sure you post spoiler alert tags or warnings on your posts... it might make some around here upset. :)

butsu
11-24-08, 09:47 PM
Paul I received my copy today. I really enjoyed it and the PQ was first rate as was the sound.

just recieved it yesterday,this is top noctch BD.,a must owned BD.I think the sound is better than I saw in multiplex.:o

cinema mad
12-01-08, 08:36 AM
This movie was awesome, the picture quality & especialy the DTS 7.1 Master sound track :eek:....
It reminded me of the Matrix special affects style :p....

Universal studios have delivered again....

Cheers....

lgans316
12-01-08, 10:07 AM
Thanks for the info. My wife likes this flick and this is going to replace TDK on my pre-order list.

allargon
12-01-08, 12:23 PM
Paul I received my copy today. I really enjoyed it and the PQ was first rate as was the sound.

Wanted is supposed to be about the extras. Universal said Wanted would do for Blu-Ray what the original Matrix did for SD DVD.

So, what are we looking at in terms of PiP and Internet extras that hasn't been done before?

raoul_duke
12-01-08, 12:32 PM
UK Steelbook, fellas.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee112/rebel_scum78/102_1615.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee112/rebel_scum78/102_1616.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee112/rebel_scum78/102_1620.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee112/rebel_scum78/102_1621.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee112/rebel_scum78/102_1622.jpg

Kroenen
12-01-08, 01:33 PM
Thanks raoul for taking the time to post the above pics of the UK Steelbook. :)

My copy was dispatched earlier today. Hopefully I’ll receive it sometime next week along with my Hancock Steelbook from Amazon.de.

Add in the Steelbook version of The Dark Knight and this is going to be a good month for Blu-ray Steelbook collectors.

kdssrugby
12-01-08, 06:17 PM
Funny, all those pics of the case and disc and the only thing I noticed was Gladiator on Blu in the insert. (Not trying to derail the thread, sorry).

metalsaber
12-01-08, 06:34 PM
Funny, all those pics of the case and disc and the only thing I noticed was Gladiator on Blu in the insert. (Not trying to derail the thread, sorry).

Good catch on Gladiator. I want that for sure.

Megalith
12-01-08, 06:57 PM
Oh man, I forgot to cancel my LE.

I really, really hope that the audio quality is beyond phenomenal.

Patsfan123
12-01-08, 07:01 PM
Good catch on Gladiator. I want that for sure.

Hopefully they don't region code it ala Mongol since they don't have US distribution rights.

giantchicken
12-01-08, 07:23 PM
Must have Gladiator!!

bases1616
12-01-08, 08:18 PM
Anyone get shipping confirmation from Amazon for there Wanted BD yet? I am a Prime member and usually new releases for me have shipped by now.

Alan Gouger
12-01-08, 08:56 PM
Wanted is supposed to be about the extras. Universal said Wanted would do for Blu-Ray what the original Matrix did for SD DVD.

So, what are we looking at in terms of PiP and Internet extras that hasn't been done before?

I was so impressed with the PQ and AQ I found myself completely entranced in the movie and never thought to ck the extras, sorry.
Hopefully someone else will chime in!

GizmoDVD
12-01-08, 09:00 PM
Wanted is supposed to be about the extras. Universal said Wanted would do for Blu-Ray what the original Matrix did for SD DVD.

So, what are we looking at in terms of PiP and Internet extras that hasn't been done before?

There's not that much in terms of Extras....

Jonathan Hickey
12-01-08, 10:21 PM
Anyone get shipping confirmation from Amazon for there Wanted BD yet? I am a Prime member and usually new releases for me have shipped by now.

I'm Prime also and all of my orders for this week have been saying shipping soon all day. :(

bases1616
12-01-08, 10:23 PM
I'm Prime also and all of my orders for this week have been saying shipping soon all day. :(
Just saw Amazon updated my order to shipped and arriving Wednesday:)

candyman56
12-01-08, 11:08 PM
How much is the steelbook going for?

rutlian
12-02-08, 01:10 AM
I was so impressed with the PQ and AQ I found myself completely entranced in the movie and never thought to ck the extras, sorry.
Hopefully someone else will chime in!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Alan and others who shared also I appreciate it, this is the movie I've been waiting for along with The Dark Knight and Prince Caspian. What's make it better is all of these movies I have not seen yet. So I know for the 24.95 average each will be worth it. (19.95 Wanted).:)

SatinKzo
12-02-08, 09:03 AM
Anyone get shipping confirmation from Amazon for there Wanted BD yet? I am a Prime member and usually new releases for me have shipped by now.

Took forever for amazon to ship it yesterday, but it will arrive today (I have prime)

dvdmike007
12-02-08, 09:36 AM
How much is the steelbook going for?

I got mine today for £14.99

Alan Gouger
12-02-08, 10:08 AM
I got mine today for £14.99

That price would look so much better if it had a $ in front of it:)

JetJockey1
12-02-08, 10:52 AM
Watched this one last night. Really cool movie with lots of action and special effects. PQ and AQ were both very good although I found the center channel to be out of rig at times, could be my setup but didn't notice it on other films.

On second thought, it may be the sound design as it happened mostly during the slo-mo stuff.

Just got a 5 star for audio and possibly best AQ BD so far from HD Digest.

candyman56
12-02-08, 10:54 AM
I got mine today for £14.99

Does that equate to around $23 in US Currency? Where can this be ordered from?

white_knight
12-02-08, 11:17 AM
Anyone get the Limited Edition? It looked pretty cool with the perspex box and the bullet and all... but I'd like to see some actual pics of the real thing before making up my mind. Anyone care to share?

dvdmike007
12-02-08, 11:40 AM
Does that equate to around $23 in US Currency? Where can this be ordered from?

I got mine from Play but amazon have it also

Megalith
12-02-08, 06:36 PM
Ok, good thing I didn't cancel my LE edition---can someone tell me why it's actually a plastic box?

The thing looks like it cost $100.

kevinivey
12-02-08, 07:11 PM
the audio is unreal. One of the best mixes that I have ever heard.

Droid6
12-02-08, 07:15 PM
I want to go buy a bread truck now, so I can race Dodge Vipers at the track. :rolleyes: I watched this the other day and I still don't know where I stand with it.

Megalith
12-02-08, 07:18 PM
Uh, did you try opening the package?...

Megalith
12-02-08, 07:28 PM
Funny as hell how the main character isn't even on the back of the box, just Angelina Jolie 30 times.

truffleshuffle83
12-02-08, 07:30 PM
Funny as hell how the main character isn't even on the back of the box, just Angelina Jolie 30 times.

and the problem with this is??? :D

erick granato
12-02-08, 07:32 PM
Just watched it a few minutes ago. Very good AQ and good PQ but the story is a bit of a stretch to be sure. Lots of action, though, and pretty entertaining. Angelina looks pretty skinny in this, almost sickly. Defenitely worth a rent, maybe skip the buy for me.

T100
12-02-08, 07:34 PM
I picked up the same set and it looks awesome, I didn't want to break it open at first, but I had to and watched the movie and it was great, I chose to leave the rest of it in plastic. Couldn't help myself when I saw it, there where only a few left.

Franin
12-02-08, 09:22 PM
picked up my copy today will watch tomorrow night.

newguy416
12-02-08, 10:31 PM
Is anyone having issues trying to load the BD live? When I choose BD Live the loading screen quits loading about 1/4 of the way.

Minder Thr33
12-02-08, 11:31 PM
how's the "Blu-ray exclusives"?

I believe there's an alternate opening and a comic prequel exclusive to the Blu-ray.

HD-FANATIC
12-02-08, 11:41 PM
I had the Sun. Sears ad and lo and behold they were advertising the regular Blu-ray version for 19.99. Took the ad to Best Buys they price matched it, no problemo!!!!

I also picked up Shawshank Redemption for $24.99

rutlian
12-02-08, 11:47 PM
Can't wait to watch this movie, Got mine 20.00 bucks regular bluray case what's matter to me is the movie.........but I like those fancy case just don't have the money to get it.
Prince Caspian arrived early from netflix so that will be first one to watch.:(

rutlian
12-02-08, 11:48 PM
I had the Sun. Sears ad and lo and behold they were advertising the regular Blu-ray version for 19.99. Took the ad to Best Buys they price matched it, no problemo!!!!

I also picked up Shawshank Redemption for $24.99

Prince Caspian is one of them too for 19.95 they were sold out, the cashier gave me a raincheck instead.

CAVX
12-03-08, 06:05 AM
Wanted is supposed to be about the extras. Universal said Wanted would do for Blu-Ray what the original Matrix did for SD DVD.

So, what are we looking at in terms of PiP and Internet extras that hasn't been done before?

Watching my copy now and there is this annoying icon called BONUSVIEW in the the top left hand corner of the active picture. When I press BONUSVIEW on the remote, it turns of the PiP but this anoying little ICON does not go away. Anyone know how to turn this off? I wouldn't mind if this was in the black bars as I would not have to lok at it thanks to my CIH system. Any help appreciated...

Mark

Alan Gouger
12-03-08, 06:24 AM
Watching my copy now and there is this annoying icon called BONUSVIEW in the the top left hand corner of the active picture. When I press BONUSVIEW on the remote, it turns of the PiP but this anoying little ICON does not go away. Anyone know how to turn this off? I wouldn't mind if this was in the black bars as I would not have to lok at it thanks to my CIH system. Any help appreciated...

Mark

Hi Mark

I do not have that. Nothing in my picture area. That would drive me nuts to. Ck to see if there is something in the setup menu to turn that off.

lgans316
12-03-08, 06:57 AM
CAVX,

Please check if you have enabled the U-Control options by mistake.

Pincho
12-03-08, 07:44 AM
My Steelbook should arrive today.

CAVX
12-03-08, 08:15 AM
Hi Mark

I do not have that. Nothing in my picture area. That would drive me nuts to. Ck to see if there is something in the setup menu to turn that off.

Thanks Alan. The Sammy BD1500 has an INFO key that allows you to select upto 2 PIP options (only one is used for this disc) or OFF, but as soon as I exit, the ICON is back in the top left. It is not there for any of the extra stuff that I am watching now. Annoying to say the least...

I think this is a region B software issue as I have not had this problem on any other disc including other Universal titles I own...

Mark

Pincho
12-03-08, 08:18 AM
Thanks Alan. The Sammy BD1500 has an INFO key that allows you to select upto 2 PIP options (only one is used for this disc) or OFF, but as soon as I exit, the ICON is back in the top left. It is not there for any of the extra stuff that I am watching now. Annoying to say the least...

I think this is a region B software issue as I have not had this problem on any other disc including other Universal titles I own...

Mark

Maybe there is a firmware update for your player?

CAVX
12-03-08, 08:27 AM
CAVX,

Please check if you have enabled the U-Control options by mistake.

Thanks lgans. PiP is off, but this disc did a strange thing when it first loaded that I have never seen before, then the BV and PiP was on as soon as the film started.

The strange this was a small box in the centre of the screen that said "LOADING". Normally I just get the "creeping dots".

I don't think my player is profile 2.0. Would this have something to do with it? I have ejected the disc, shut down the player, re-powered back up and re-loaded to see that "LOADING" thing would repeat and it has not. Now it seem to load like any other BD I own...

Mark

CAVX
12-03-08, 08:28 AM
Maybe there is a firmware update for your player?

Thanks Pincho, I don't think this player profile 2.0 yet...

Mark

Franin
12-03-08, 11:41 AM
Bought this on a blind buy absolutley loved it. AQ and PQ fantastic

suffolk112000
12-03-08, 12:01 PM
Hi,

Just received this and will offer my impressions this weekend.

So are we ever going to get a review from you??

Razvanel
12-03-08, 01:47 PM
Is anyone having issues trying to load the BD live? When I choose BD Live the loading screen quits loading about 1/4 of the way.

Same problem here with both a Panasonic BD35 and a Panasonic BD55.

E

Alan Gouger
12-03-08, 01:51 PM
Thanks Pincho, I don't think this player profile 2.0 yet...

Mark


Mark you are living in the dark ages:) Maybe you can take advantage of the upcoming holiday season and drop a few hints to your loved ones!

FF2Skip
12-03-08, 02:44 PM
I want to go buy a bread truck now, so I can race Dodge Vipers at the track. :rolleyes: I watched this the other day and I still don't know where I stand with it.
:LOL: As a NASA instructor and time trialer, I was thinking the same thing.

Watched it last night. Fun movie with good PQ and better audio, but not necessarily the first disc I'd demo for either.

Another_Dude
12-03-08, 02:53 PM
When I think of all the things that I've seen in all of the movies I've watched, I'm a little suprised that so many people don't like this one because it isn't "realistic".

Bleddyn H Williams
12-03-08, 03:53 PM
Thanks to raoul_duke for the sweet pics of the UK steelbook. As all the extras are in HD, there should be no problem for us Region A folk.

Does that equate to around $23 in US Currency? Where can this be ordered from?

I ordered mine here...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wanted-Limited-Steel-Book-Blu-ray/dp/B001DXBUB6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1228337416&sr=8-2

When this is shipped to the US, VAT is removed, which takes the sting out of the shipping. My total was 15.83 in pounds, which is about $23.36. Not bad for a UK import steelbook.

BrickTop
12-03-08, 04:25 PM
So it is cheaper to ship from UK to US than it is to ship from Canada to US. Is this region free in the UK?

Nibis
12-03-08, 04:53 PM
Watched it last night on my new Panny 50PZ800U, looked awesome, we also watched Kung Fu Panda, great colors, funny too

MelloFellow13
12-03-08, 09:36 PM
Just watched this after a blind buy, LOVED the movie - what a wild ride. I posted PQ and AQ reviews in those threads - PQ was a little disappointing but not bad by any means, and AQ is freaking GREAT.

Here are links if you would like to read:

PQ - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15210944#post15210944
AQ - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15211053#post15211053

Lebronze
12-03-08, 10:58 PM
I thought the movie was fun until the train sequence, and then the movie just became....ugh.

Great video quality though, as well as audio.

Am I the only one who thinks Angelina Jolie would be 100x hotter without tattoos?

Toe
12-04-08, 01:28 AM
Watched this tonight and sure glad I rented it!:p

PQ was fantastic and audio was very good (but certainly not ref audio IMO).

As nice as the PQ was, no way could I watch this one again, but to each his own:) I also think the audio is being a bit overated, but just my opinion.

HOOPY
12-04-08, 06:37 AM
Thanks Alan. The Sammy BD1500 has an INFO key that allows you to select upto 2 PIP options (only one is used for this disc) or OFF, but as soon as I exit, the ICON is back in the top left. It is not there for any of the extra stuff that I am watching now. Annoying to say the least...

I think this is a region B software issue as I have not had this problem on any other disc including other Universal titles I own...

Mark

i there i have the sammy 1500 as well and the easiest way to get rid of the bonus view icon is go to the settings menu of the player, go to display and switch off onscreen icons, this means no icons will appear on the screen. I have a region a player and my region a copy of wanted played fine without the icon on screen as i have it switched off in the player menu.

rutlian
12-04-08, 12:26 PM
Watched this tonight and sure glad I rented it!:p

PQ was fantastic and audio was very good (but certainly not ref audio IMO).

As nice as the PQ was, no way could I watch this one again, but to each his own:) I also think the audio is being a bit overated, but just my opinion.

I am with you PQ and AQ is very good but no way I will watch this movie again I should have rent it with netflix, I should have not bought it.

Mr. Hanky
12-04-08, 02:44 PM
Where's the Xylon pix? :p ;)

suffolk112000
12-04-08, 03:28 PM
I am with you PQ and AQ is very good but no way I will watch this movie again I should have rent it with netflix, I should have not bought it.

Bummer... I bought this title as a blind buy because it looked real good on the trailers and many here were touting it as being a good movie. Now I am seeing all of these negative reviews!
I hope I didn’t waste $20.

Romerojpg
12-04-08, 03:34 PM
Bummer... I bought this title as a blind buy because it looked real good on the trailers and many here were touting it as being a good movie. Now I am seeing all of these negative reviews!
I hope I didn’t waste $20.

You did not, its a superb film. See for yourself and ignore everyone, including me.

MelloFellow13
12-04-08, 04:00 PM
You did not, its a superb film. See for yourself and ignore everyone, including me.

+1

The movie doesn't look BAD or anything, it just isn't perfect.

Pincho
12-04-08, 04:01 PM
Wanted is one of the best films in ages. It's like a dog in a forest full of bitches, it gives you all of the action that you have ever dreamed of, and pisses all over it. I love it, and it's a great picture too on Blu Ray. Love every little detail, it doesn't even have a normal Blu Ray disc Icon, it has a pictorial icon. It has nice intros, and a great menu. At first I was going to drop it a couple of points for pushing the boundaries too far, but it made up for it with some nice originality, so...

9/10 Movie.
9/10 Blu Ray picture quality

CollinViegas
12-04-08, 04:02 PM
I would say the movie itself is Ok, not great not bad.

The transfer is 100% reference, deep deep bass, excellent dynamics and a pristine Video Transfer.

Toe
12-04-08, 04:02 PM
Bummer... I bought this title as a blind buy because it looked real good on the trailers and many here were touting it as being a good movie. Now I am seeing all of these negative reviews!
I hope I didn’t waste $20.


You may love it and you may not. If you have not opened it yet, I would suggest renting it as opinions are all over the map on this one from one extreme to the other. If you like it enough, keep your copy, if you dont, you can return it:) I almost blind bought this as well due to the reviews/impressions, but glad I did not as I cant see myself watching again, however you may like it as quite a few do. Video quality is fantastic. Audio is very good, but a bit overated and certainly not on the same level as TIH, HB2, Transf, Cloverfield, KFP, etc.....IMO of course.

FoxyMulder
12-04-08, 05:09 PM
I just watched Wanted....It's now one of my favorite films of the year so far.

The picture quality is superb on this disc as is the audio quality and the menu's on the disc are superb too. Very happy with the purchase.

Robert George
12-04-08, 05:51 PM
Bummer... I bought this title as a blind buy because it looked real good on the trailers and many here were touting it as being a good movie. Now I am seeing all of these negative reviews!

On this forum, we tend to get so obsessed (yes, obsessed) with technical aspects of a disc that the actual movie becomes a secondary concern. The reality is what it has always been. Not everyone likes every movie, regardless of how good a transfer or soundtrack is. When one is browsing a forum like this where so much focus is placed on technical merit, everything you read should be placed in perspective by whether or not one likes the actual movie. In the case of people that have not yet seen a particular film, there are many venues to sample what the movie is all about.

Personally, I enjoyed "Wanted" because I like balls-out action flicks once in a while. As popcorn action movies based on comic books go, "Wanted" is well above average. I actually enjoyed the movie more the second time around on video.

General Kenobi
12-04-08, 06:04 PM
There are plenty of sites with reviews on the movie itself, I come to avs to get a variety of input on PQ/AQ as those may be deciding factors on a blind buy or even if I want to rent.

I got this from Blockbuster online on Tues and will probably watch it with the wife tonight. Looking forward to checking it out even though I am not at all an AJ fan.

tbase1
12-04-08, 06:28 PM
The only review i trusted here was for the wickerman.....now that was a real waste of film

shadowrage
12-04-08, 06:53 PM
The only review i trusted here was for the wickerman.....now that was a real waste of film
OMG that's the funniest movie ever.

I almost threw up from laughter. Nicolas Cage catches Sobeiski with a sidekick and then he punches another woman in the face. The entire climax is just him beating up women. Then he dresses in that ridiculous bear outfit, and tries to hide in the forest. And at the end he did his favorite thing as an actor 'screaming in agony'. I almost forgot the bees. The entire thing is such an absolute disaster. Then Franco shows up.:confused:

Skip the movie watch this trailer for the Wicker Man it's made so it looks like a romantic comedy. If you've seen the Wicker Man this is your payoff for sitting through it. This is the best trailer ever made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_mW8mBzmHo

As for Wanted, It's like Shoot Em Up but with a budget minus any sort of creativity. In fact the action sequences in shoot em up with a smaller budget manage to look miles better than any of the copious CG in Wanted.

Alan Gouger
12-04-08, 07:16 PM
The transfer is 100% reference, deep deep bass, excellent dynamics and a pristine Video Transfer.

This transfer is big screen certified. If we get to a point where a good % of transfers equal the quality of this transfer we will all find ourselves willing to roll the dice on blind buys a little easier.

Toe
12-04-08, 07:21 PM
Did you folks like the story of the movie?

We have seen great PQ and AQ and great story in other bluray movies that are worthy of owning it, but this movie does not fall in that category. IMO that is why I regret buying this movie because for me I should have rent it first before I bought it.

Personaly I would have felt the same way if I bought it. I liked the story, but 1 time through was plenty for me and the audio was slightly underwhelming IMO (compared to other recent releases such as TIH, HB2 and KFP) which makes me glad I rented it.

rutlian
12-04-08, 07:23 PM
Personaly I would have felt the same way if I bought it. I liked the story, but 1 time through was plenty for me and the audio was slightly underwhelming IMO (compared to other recent releases such as TIH, HB2 and KFP) which makes me glad I rented it.

Exactly........

Pincho
12-04-08, 07:32 PM
I could watch it twice in a row! As a story it gets more credibility if you use it as Matrix 4 The Prequel, and then it is fine. Then you can sort of explain the loom.

newguy416
12-04-08, 08:06 PM
Has anyone found the binary code to unlock "The Code of the Fraternity" from the main menu?

rutlian
12-04-08, 08:06 PM
I could watch it twice in a row! As a story it gets more credibility if you use it as Matrix 4 The Prequel, and then it is fine. Then you can sort of explain the loom.

The effects in Matrix is much different in Wanted IMO. Maybe there is a little similarity but not a lot and it is not enough for me to use it as a MATRIX prequel.

Megalith
12-04-08, 08:08 PM
Yes, WANTED is the Matrix prequel.

McAvoy grows up and becomes Keanu Reeves.

jsteinhauer
12-04-08, 11:36 PM
Has anyone found the binary code to unlock "The Code of the Fraternity" from the main menu?

I'm looking for this too. Most haven't even found that option yet, since it's invisible until triggered.

FoxyMulder
12-04-08, 11:57 PM
I'm looking for this too. Most haven't even found that option yet, since it's invisible until triggered.

Try 01010111 it's the binary code for W.

maingon
12-05-08, 12:59 AM
I LOVE this movie, its a ton of fun. Car Chase with the Viper is just awesome. I just had a blast watching this movie. PQ is awesome and AQ is even better.

Kuma79
12-05-08, 02:37 AM
Try 01010111 it's the binary code for W.
i just geeked out, thanks

Pincho
12-05-08, 04:46 AM
The effects in Matrix is much different in Wanted IMO. Maybe there is a little similarity but not a lot and it is not enough for me to use it as a MATRIX prequel.

I didn't mean for effects, I meant to explain everything that happens. The Matrix has answers to all of this movie, and Neo wouldn't need to be in it anyway.

suffolk112000
12-05-08, 07:26 AM
You may love it and you may not. If you have not opened it yet, I would suggest renting it as opinions are all over the map on this one from one extreme to the other. If you like it enough, keep your copy, if you dont, you can return it:) I almost blind bought this as well due to the reviews/impressions, but glad I did not as I cant see myself watching again, however you may like it as quite a few do. Video quality is fantastic. Audio is very good, but a bit overated and certainly not on the same level as TIH, HB2, Transf, Cloverfield, KFP, etc.....IMO of course.

Well, I watched this last night. Very over the top popcorn flick. I liked it. Glad I bought it. There were a few things I would have personally changed, but all in all... great entertainment.
One thing it seems like we are seeing more and more of out of Hollywood are the un-necessary over the top sex scenes like in Crank.
Other than that, great movie.

CAVX
12-05-08, 08:16 AM
i there i have the sammy 1500 as well and the easiest way to get rid of the bonus view icon is go to the settings menu of the player, go to display and switch off onscreen icons, this means no icons will appear on the screen. I have a region a player and my region a copy of wanted played fine without the icon on screen as i have it switched off in the player menu.

Thanks I found the "on screen messages" and turned that to OFF - problem fixed...

Mark

FoxyMulder
12-05-08, 08:28 AM
This is one of the best looking discs in a long while....The grain really is very mild on this release and not at all intrusive. If anyone out there does find grain annoying to them while watching a film then i would recommend switching on your televisions noise reduction facility or lowering your sharpness control....Indeed i recommend the purchase of a disc called AVIA as it can help with your viewing pleasure by calibrating your set to within an inch of it's life as well as being able to calibrate your subwoofer and speakers and AV Receiver.

I would also just say the contrast on some modern films is deliberately raised and thats an artistic decision and as long as it's supposed to look that way then i'm happy if they retain it for the Blu Ray release.

As for sex scenes in Hollywood movies....I have always found them kinda lame and tame.....When they do it right such as in movies like Body Heat it can be erotically charged but often they give it this glitzy cover me up look which is so fake and it takes you out of the movie.....European movies tend to make their sex scenes more erotic and better filmed......Anyway i didn't find the sex scenes in Wanted to be explicit.

John Ballentine
12-05-08, 09:02 AM
Think I'll be picking this title up too. I kinda like over-the-top films (e.g. Shoot 'Em Up!).

Tomokato
12-05-08, 09:18 AM
One thing it seems like we are seeing more and more of out of Hollywood are the un-necessary over the top sex scenes like in Crank.
Other than that, great movie.

The sex scene in Crank is one of the funniest scenes in the movie.

Charles R
12-05-08, 09:34 AM
This transfer is big screen certified. If we get to a point where a good % of transfers equal the quality of this transfer we will all find ourselves willing to roll the dice on blind buys a little easier.On my big screen (semi-large at 110 inches) the video was plenty sharp but I felt the contrast was overblown. So much so that most of the time the actors' complexions were rough and unnatural looking.

Alan Gouger
12-05-08, 10:02 AM
On my big screen (semi-large at 110 inches) the video was plenty sharp but I felt the contrast was overblown. So much so that most of the time the actors' complexions were rough and unnatural looking.

Hi Charles
A lot of BD reviews are noted for having elevated contrast and colors. What I found pleasing was the lack of ringing and DNR. This title is a sleeper as I never planned on buying it but Im glad I did. It looks better then some of the more popular blockbusters.
I wish the person/people who did the authoring for this movie would make themselves avail to other studios:)

Toe
12-05-08, 12:03 PM
Well, I watched this last night. Very over the top popcorn flick. I liked it. Glad I bought it. There were a few things I would have personally changed, but all in all... great entertainment.
One thing it seems like we are seeing more and more of out of Hollywood are the un-necessary over the top sex scenes like in Crank.
Other than that, great movie.

Glad you enjoyed it:) It is nice when a blind buy goes good. The 4 I have made lately I have been very happy with as well (TIH, KFP, WALL*E, HB2).

Charles, I noticed the overblown contrast as well. I did not realy think it was a negative, but probably would have been better without it IMO.

MelloFellow13
12-05-08, 12:17 PM
Yeah blind buys are risky, but I've done well so far:

Bladerunner
Forgetting Sarah Marshall
Speed Racer
Incredible Hulk
Kung Fu Panda
From Dusk Til Dawn
Wanted

Loved em all so far - only one I would maybe take back is Forgetting Sarah Marshall, and only because the deals on Knocked Up and 40-Year-Old Virgin were so good last weekend. ;)

Decado2
12-05-08, 12:24 PM
Well, I watched this last night. Very over the top popcorn flick. I liked it. Glad I bought it. There were a few things I would have personally changed, but all in all... great entertainment.
One thing it seems like we are seeing more and more of out of Hollywood are the un-necessary over the top sex scenes like in Crank.
Other than that, great movie.
I don't remember anything like that in Wanted...

Tomokato
12-05-08, 12:52 PM
I don't remember anything like that in Wanted...

There is one mild scene early on, and it's taken directly from the comic.

KeithTalent
12-05-08, 01:05 PM
The beginning, almost Office Space-esque, part of the movie is by far the most enjoyable part. It was all downhill from there, going through a bunch of silly action sequnces and culminating in a very predictable, and boring, ending.

However I did manage to see a portion of the Blu-ray on my friends 60" Kuro and it does look pretty fantastic. Very sharp picture, with a bit of grain, deep blacks, and great detail on the faces.

Charles R
12-05-08, 01:29 PM
Charles, I noticed the overblown contrast as well. I did not realy think it was a negative, but probably would have been better without it IMO.On smaller displays I think it would probably be a bonus and overall outside of their complexions being rather harsh it didn't bother me.

Typically with my Pioneer BDP-51FD player I set the Detail option plus one or two which adds a little contrast to the image (without introducing ringing). It also adds a little pop and perceived sharpness to the image. With this transfer it looked better when I went negative with the setting.

In my den (61 inch set) with the PS3 I doubt I would have had any complaints. Regarding the movie based on my tastes I wish I hadn't turned on the projector to start with... the den would have been more than adequate. :)

leem6453
12-05-08, 05:58 PM
I watched this last night. I give the movie itself a solid 3.5/5 rating. Alot of fun with big, dumb action...and funny too. The PQ was very nice (thanks again Uni), and the audio was damn near perfect on my setup (Yamaha HTR-5930) and I'm only using optical. Gotta love that DTS-HD. :)

Megalith
12-05-08, 09:24 PM
No offense, but this is one of the most terrible sound mixes I've ever heard. The LFE is way, way, WAY too hot, which makes no sense, as my sub is only dialed up to 10%, with a sub level of -10dB from the receiver.

FilmMixer
12-05-08, 11:52 PM
No offense, but this is one of the most terrible sound mixes I've ever heard. The LFE is way, way, WAY too hot, which makes no sense, as my sub is only dialed up to 10%, with a sub level of -10dB from the receiver.

I'll have to respectfully disagree... in the theater and in my room it is one of the most well balanced tracks I've heard in a long time.

leem6453
12-06-08, 03:59 AM
No offense, but this is one of the most terrible sound mixes I've ever heard. The LFE is way, way, WAY too hot, which makes no sense, as my sub is only dialed up to 10%, with a sub level of -10dB from the receiver.
Now that you mention it, I did have to dial down my subwoofer a few notches, but I didn't mind that. The center and the surrounds were nicely balanced though.

suffolk112000
12-06-08, 10:03 AM
No offense, but this is one of the most terrible sound mixes I've ever heard. The LFE is way, way, WAY too hot, which makes no sense, as my sub is only dialed up to 10%, with a sub level of -10dB from the receiver.

I'd rather have the bass a little hot than not enough bass.

Shane Martin
12-06-08, 11:39 AM
I'll have to respectfully disagree... in the theater and in my room it is one of the most well balanced tracks I've heard in a long time.
Ditto.

Toe
12-06-08, 01:35 PM
I'll have to respectfully disagree... in the theater and in my room it is one of the most well balanced tracks I've heard in a long time.

I agree with this. This track was very balanced to my ears.

Cap.T
12-06-08, 01:54 PM
I received my UK-Version a couple of days ago. I tried to watch it today, but it doesn't work with either PowerDVD 8 or TotalMedia Theatre. Both programms load the disc till the Police Warnings, after that the screen goes black and nothing more happens. Does anybody else have that problem or could it be a defective disc?

Deviation
12-07-08, 01:55 AM
Just watched this one tonight... I was surprised by how much I liked it. Superb video and audio and quite the entertaining flick.

invadergir
12-07-08, 02:14 AM
I too watched my copy tonight and was damn close to what i remember seeing in theaters. Great video and an awesome audio track. I just wish everyone used DTS-HDMA for their tracks

MattGuyOR
12-07-08, 02:51 AM
Decent movie, but my speakers sure don't like the Universal DTS-HD tracks. I can only get the core, but the narration was very muffled sounding. I noticed the same thing in Baby Mama, the narration wasn't that clear at all. I have no issues with the vast majority of my Blu-rays, Dolby TrueHD always sounds extremely clear. Not sure what the issue is.

Mr. Hanky
12-07-08, 03:07 AM
I had a similar experience with the audio. In my case, the narration seemed a bit loud/overly prominent in the soundtrack (accompanied by some muffled midbass boominess, but that could just be a side effect of it being too loud, imo). The bass was impressive at times (succeeding to rattle my front door in the door frame), but other times strangely reserved.

The sound of that Viper was splendid, though! Kudos to the sound director for putting in a real Viper engine sound, instead of just dumping in stock sound samples of some nondescript v8!

Mr. Hanky
12-07-08, 03:24 AM
Also forgot to mention- whatta purdy Universal screensaver they put on there! I guess it comes up after the video is paused for some time?

Pincho
12-07-08, 11:56 AM
Possible Spoilers....

I've watched it twice now. Even better the second time. I just watched it as a Matrix Prequel, and noticed a lot of interesting things, like the walls in most of the sets have a textile surface painted on them, or are actually a weave. I see this as a way to portray the binary code that creates the walls in the Matrix. I might be imagining my similarities too, I even thought I saw Neo at the end, you can see it that way, I just find it makes the movie better anyway.

FilmMixer
12-07-08, 03:13 PM
Decent movie, but my speakers sure don't like the Universal DTS-HD tracks. I can only get the core, but the narration was very muffled sounding. I noticed the same thing in Baby Mama, the narration wasn't that clear at all. I have no issues with the vast majority of my Blu-rays, Dolby TrueHD always sounds extremely clear. Not sure what the issue is.

I mixed Baby Mama, and made the near field, home theater masters, so I'm pretty familiar with the narration and the track. (as a complete side note and geek commentary, I actually convinced the film makers to let me use the 5.1 DVD-A mix for the Talking Heads song at the beginning... it was a different mix from the original stereo master (the percussion and keyboards are mixed differently) so I was able to use the stereo original for the verses and the 5.1 for the chorus' and the end after the last chorus.. needless to say, it was a little challenging to get the stereo to match the space and timbre of the 5.1, but I think it came out pretty seamless in the end:)

In my system, which is calibrated pretty close so as to match what I am hearing when I am mixing, both Baby Mama and Wanted present the VO clearly... I don't know what you and Mr. Hanky are hearing, but I would suggest double checking both the sub levels and SPL of the main channels in your systems... on both films, the VO is pretty tightly wound in around 5.1 music, and the center being even a hair low (even 1/2 or 1 db) will push it back (Mr. Hanky check to see if your a hair loud.. the VO sounds pretty natural to me :))... also, in both films, the music has a bit of low end in the LFE... if it's a little hot (and my experience has been that most users like it hot, not accurate) it will muddy the dialog in places where the VO and/or Dialog is pushed up against a lot of other sounds in the track... it might seems counter intuitive, but heavy low end or low mids will kill dialog clarity pretty quickly (whereas most people would assume it is the air and clarity above 1.5kHz that will do it )

Also a long shot, but since you are only listening to the core, your AVR or player may be boosting the LFE more than the rest of the codecs you are listening to.. are you decoding the core in player or on your AVR?

FilmMixer
12-07-08, 03:15 PM
The sound of that Viper was splendid, though! Kudos to the sound director for putting in a real Viper engine sound, instead of just dumping in stock sound samples of some nondescript v8!

I will tell the two people most responsible for the car sounds how much you enjoyed them. :)

Deviation
12-07-08, 08:12 PM
Decent movie, but my speakers sure don't like the Universal DTS-HD tracks. I can only get the core, but the narration was very muffled sounding. I noticed the same thing in Baby Mama, the narration wasn't that clear at all. I have no issues with the vast majority of my Blu-rays, Dolby TrueHD always sounds extremely clear. Not sure what the issue is.
That would lead me to believe that there is something wrong with your setup. The DTS core track sounded wonderful and the narration was very crisp when I watched it last night.

Pincho
12-08-08, 08:10 AM
I will tell the two people most responsible for the car sounds how much you enjoyed them. :)

I enjoy the soundtrack too, the music is very dynamic.

General Kenobi
12-08-08, 01:02 PM
I watched this over the weekend and found it pretty enjoyable. I'd rate the PQ about 4-4 1/2 out of 5 and audio about a 4 (IMO). I seldom enjoy AJ but she was actually ok in this one. The train scene was pretty lame and I was really enjoying it until that part but it didn't ruin the movie, just felt out of place with the rest of what had been "acceptable" prior to. I was very impressed with the score, good stuff!

In the end I'm glad I rented this but I may pick it up used down the road if I can find it for around $15.

Pincho
12-08-08, 01:58 PM
I watched this over the weekend and found it pretty enjoyable. I'd rate the PQ about 4-4 1/2 out of 5 and audio about a 4 (IMO). I seldom enjoy AJ but she was actually ok in this one. The train scene was pretty lame and I was really enjoying it until that part but it didn't ruin the movie, just felt out of place with the rest of what had been "acceptable" prior to. I was very impressed with the score, good stuff!

In the end I'm glad I rented this but I may pick it up used down the road if I can find it for around $15.

I thought that the train part was one of the best parts.

Megalith
12-08-08, 02:26 PM
I honestly thought that I was going to have a heart attack if I heard the heart thump LFE one more time, but I guess it is justified for the story...

Hughmc
12-08-08, 05:51 PM
Well, I watched this last night. Very over the top popcorn flick. I liked it. Glad I bought it. There were a few things I would have personally changed, but all in all... great entertainment.
One thing it seems like we are seeing more and more of out of Hollywood are the un-necessary over the top sex scenes like in Crank.
Other than that, great movie.

And it was the opening more or less with the sexual scene. It isn't just the act is was also the F word and how it is used to drive home the point, pun intended. I am not a prude and am fairly liberal, but when you are sitting watching a movie with your twin 17 yr old daughters and 14 yr old son all sitting next to me in my HT seats, and a scene that shows sex and uses hyperbole to demonstrate the point does make me squirm a bit. :o

Hughmc
12-08-08, 06:06 PM
I don't remember anything like that in Wanted...

How can you not have seen it? :confused: It is very similar like Crank's scene in many ways. Full disclosure. I watch porn and even to me who is NOT shocked I find these types of scenes unnecessary and like filler. I know it plays along with the adrenalin and insanity of it all, but you can more than get the idea without having to go there.

Mr. Hanky
12-08-08, 06:19 PM
I don't know how you would have survived in the era of 70-80's rated R movies... :p I think it stands out so much today, because everything else in current times has become so milk toast, imo. That's not to say I wish for a return to the nudity/sexual content of the "old days", just that there was definitely a change of sensibilities between then and now. ;) If you see it in a movie, today, it certainly isn't breaking any new ground.

FilmMixer
12-08-08, 06:26 PM
And it was the opening more or less with the sexual scene. It isn't just the act is was also the F word and how it is used to drive home the point, pun intended. I am not a prude and am fairly liberal, but when you are sitting watching a movie with your twin 17 yr old daughters and 14 yr old son all sitting next to me in my HT seats, and a scene that shows sex and uses hyperbole to demonstrate the point does make me squirm a bit. :o

Hugh.... this is meant as no offense, but what part of the R rating wasn't clear?

As a parent of two young girls (6 and 4) I am very mindful of the ratings and reading the descriptions of why the films got them. I don't let my kids see even PG films without first watching them, and I work in the film business and have mixed my fair share of films the girls will never see (i.e. "The Brown Bunny" and just starting the new "Friday the 13th.)

I am not calling your judgement into question (I'm fairly liberal myself), but the ratings are there for a reason, and on "Wanted" it clearly states "Rated R for strong bloody violence throughout, pervasive language and some sexuality..." and the rating card is right before the feature starts.

Frankly, I'd be more disturbed if my kids saw the incredibly, although fantasy based, intense blood shed... that's make me squirm more.

As far as your comment about the scene being filler...

SPOILER ALERT:

For me it drove home the point about what a loser this guy was and just how much humiliation he lets get put on his shoulders... seeing the friend and girlfriend going at it made the scene in the pharmacy that much more pathetic and amusing, IMO. :)

Hughmc
12-08-08, 06:31 PM
I don't know how you would have survived in the era of 70-80's rated R movies... :p I think it stands out so much today, because everything else in current times has become so milk toast, imo. That's not to say I wish for a return to the nudity/sexual content of the "old days", just that there was definitely a change of sensibilities between then and now. ;) If you see it in a movie, today, it certainly isn't breaking any new ground.

I don't know if you were referring to me, but I'll bite. Today's R for movies and even tv if it were the 70's or even 80's many would have been X, albeit a soft X not hardcore. Some of the violence we have today in films and tv is far more intense and realistic than the "R" rated violence of the 60's, 70's and again even the 80's.

Mr. Hanky
12-08-08, 06:39 PM
Huh?! Well, I don't know what to say, but we seem to have had different experiences. I recall seeing some stuff (nudity/sexual content) back in the "cable tv" days that make today's stuff look utterly tame (and these were just run'o'mill R movies, not some x-rated channel or Skin-emax sort of broadcast). Back then, a sex scene was practically casually obligatory. These days, the only times you find that degree of graphic depiction is in a teeny-bopper flick specifically marketed on the basis of such content (American Pie?). If it appears elsewhere, it is truly a surprise, but by no means falling far astray of anything that has been done long ago.

I don't doubt that you felt uncomfortable seeing that with your kiddies, but I have to side with FM here- what exactly did you expect for an R movie? It's R for a reason (no pun intended). Call it lesson learned, I think! :p

Hughmc
12-08-08, 07:04 PM
Hugh.... this is meant as no offense, but what part of the R rating wasn't clear?

As a parent of two young girls (6 and 4) I am very mindful of the ratings and reading the descriptions of why the films got them. I don't let my kids see even PG films without first watching them, and I work in the film business and have mixed my fair share of films the girls will never see (i.e. "The Brown Bunny" and just starting the new "Friday the 13th.)

I am not calling your judgement into question (I'm fairly liberal myself), but the ratings are there for a reason, and on "Wanted" it clearly states "Rated R for strong bloody violence throughout, pervasive language and some sexuality..." and the rating card is right before the feature starts.

Frankly, I'd be more disturbed if my kids saw the incredibly, although fantasy based, intense blood shed... that's make me squirm more.

As far as your comment about the scene being filler...

SPOILER ALERT:

For me it drove home the point about what a loser this guy was and just how much humiliation he lets get put on his shoulders... seeing the friend and girlfriend going at it made the scene in the pharmacy that much more pathetic and amusing, IMO. :)

A kiss could really do the same. :D Well maybe a kiss with a lot of tongue or...:D Anyway I digress.

To clarify I let my children watch Passion of the Christ when it came out. They have seen Shindlers list years ago. I don't hide, shame or guilt my children like my Irish Catholic up bringing encouraged. :o See the shame? Lol.

I know about the ratings and within reason ANY R movie is not an issue for my children to watch. I generally ignore the ratings and have seen some topics and themes implied or not to be more surprising and shocking in PG-13 movies than some R movies. My children are well grounded, fairly intelligent and I have always explained things to them if they ask or not and anything is up for discussion and I mean anything. I am not using the ratings ignorance as a cop out, although I do seem to be contradicting myself a bit.

Years ago I took Cinema and philosophy classes. In both we had a related discussion on violence and sex in movies. I agree with the prof. who said you can always fake violence and know it is fake, therefore it really isn't violent, but sex even if faked is still sexual and turns people on. See Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie for reference and a host of other actors/actresses. :D I may not be saying it exactly right or the way I want and some may not agree, but I see it as true. One guy may "hit" another on film and neither gets a violent reaction in reality. Now actors can get more intense and crank up the faked violence with adrenalin and more, but they still are not really violent. One person kisses another and the same is not true, one or both may very well get aroused.

As far as my saying it is filler and unnecessary and you saying it isn't, I think we can try to justify anything to make our point especially when it is a controversial topic where one's morality differs from another. Filler maybe to harsh, but the I don't agree with the scene being necessary. A movie based entirely on a sexual relationship say for example, two people cheating on spouses, doesn't have to show a single sex scene to get the point across. Somehow they did if for decades going back to the early days of film.

As I said, I don't pay much attention to the ratings so I don't have much of an excuse to complain or call attention to it and therefore FM you are more than right in that respect.

I did think Tropic Blunder in many ways was more offensive than Wanted, plus I thought the movie sucked and told my kids they aren't missing anything. :D

Hughmc
12-08-08, 07:09 PM
Huh?! Well, I don't know what to say, but we seem to have had different experiences. I recall seeing some stuff (nudity/sexual content) back in the "cable tv" days that make today's stuff look utterly tame (and these were just run'o'mill R movies, not some x-rated channel or Skin-emax sort of broadcast). Back then, a sex scene was practically casually obligatory. These days, the only times you find that degree of graphic depiction is in a teeny-bopper flick specifically marketed on the basis of such content (American Pie?). If it appears elsewhere, it is truly a surprise, but by no means falling far astray of anything that has been done long ago.

I don't doubt that you felt uncomfortable seeing that with your kiddies, but I have to side with FM here- what exactly did you expect for an R movie? It's R for a reason (no pun intended). Call it lesson learned, I think! :p

I keep thinking of Tango in Paris which got an X rating for a general release the first of its kind and also had an R release if I am not mistaken. :confused: IMO that X today would not be X but be an R film, but I could be wrong. :)

Mr. Hanky
12-08-08, 07:10 PM
On a related note, I thought the sex scene in Cranked was a ridiculous and silly premise (but I guess you got to do what you got to do if your pulse is at risk of flatlining :rolleyes: ). ;) If anything, that was complete filler, if not, a completely wasted scene, for lack of not putting some genuine caliente into the scene, imo.

Maybe there is a real psychology behind the scene as it is composed in Wanted. What really punches you in the gut?...the idea of your girlfriend cheating or a brief visualization of her cheating? No doubt, it may be different for different people, but I can completely understand how some people may relate to the visualizing scenario. Just on animalistic basis, it is a provocative theme, even w/o having to personalize it to the hypothetical seedy activities of your own mate.

Hughmc
12-08-08, 07:17 PM
On a related note, I thought the sex scene in Cranked was a ridiculous and silly premise (but I guess you got to do what you got to do if your pulse is at risk of flatlining :rolleyes: ). ;) If anything, that was complete filler, if not, a completely wasted scene, for lack of not putting some genuine caliente into the scene, imo.

I laughed at that scene, but it too seemed unnecessary other than to get some attention which I guess it succeeded. If I want sex in movies I watch porn which is the whole point and I am not talking about porn movies with supposed plots and stories. :D For plots and stories I watch films like Wanted, ha ha. which brings us back on to the point of this thread, the film Wanted.

Mr. Hanky
12-08-08, 08:12 PM
Anybody know what was in the bd-live for this disc? I was right about to try it, but then noticed I had already pulled the plug on the router for the night (it's a long story). So I called it a night.

Decado2
12-08-08, 08:24 PM
There is one mild scene early on, and it's taken directly from the comic.
Oh, that one. And the big deal is....? The reason for it strikes me as being quite clear.

Pincho
12-08-08, 08:58 PM
I thought that Crank went too far, but Wanted wasn't as bad. Just watched 'A History Of Violence' and it went much further.

palofex
12-09-08, 02:40 AM
I just watched Wanted for the first time tonight and I loved it. I thought the PQ was top notch on my setup and the AQ was crazy good. (Maybe best AQ I've ever heard.) Overall I loved the movie and will be picking it up tomorrow.

I thought the movie started to seem slightly rushed after the plot twist in the train. It seemed to me the movie could have benefited from another 10-15m after the train sequence/plot twist.


On a side note, Universal seems to be "the" company for HD. Their HD-DVD stuff was great and their BDs lately have been A+.

Oliver Klohs
12-09-08, 06:08 AM
Frankly, I'd be more disturbed if my kids saw the incredibly, although fantasy based, intense blood shed... that's make me squirm more.

Exactly.

I have to shake my head that considering the blood shed that we see in the movie a scene with two people having sex even gets mentioned. I think that heads getting blown off left and right and blood everywhere is a bit more over the top than consensual sex between two adults. At least that's the case where I live and I hope this goes for everybody else, too ;)

Matt_Stevens
12-09-08, 08:45 AM
This film was big time R and I loved it. It is SO hard to get a studio to support any R rated film in this era. They hate releasing them and have pretty much killed the action genre as a result.

300 and WANTED prove that PG-13 is ********. R rated films can be huge hits.

By the way, this film ejects a central theme of the comic book, which is that the Fraternity is trying to wipe out all superheroes. So the twist they used in the film's third act is not as strong.

I bought this BD and I am buying very few, so that tells you how much I enjoyed the flick, despite its flaws.

oink
12-10-08, 02:39 AM
Very good PQ and SQ.
Although it looked like a little bit of DNR was used on faces from time to time (gotta hide those moles, warts, and freckles).

Angelina in a red Viper.:cool:
This is the best movie ever made.

Deviation
12-10-08, 10:25 AM
Digital airbrushing of actors faces != DNR.

Romerojpg
12-10-08, 03:05 PM
Digital airbrushing of actors faces != DNR.

Hey I do remember a few shots in the cinema looked DNRed, maybe some parts were processed before hand for a look. I have yet to get my Blu Ray so I cannot even commet on the disc.

Thing is more and more films even in the cinema have that odd look, I watched Transporter 3 the other day in the cinema and everyone had epic white lines around them in some scenes! It was as if I was watching a hideous edge enhanced dvd. I cannot wait to see what people say about the Blu Ray of that, but they will be wrong as it was also in the cinema version, but it will not stop people screaming about edge enhancement.


Wanted, well it was an 18 rated film in the UK here, I dont think it was That hard myself, but it was nice to acctually see people getting killed with actual blood! instead of PG 13 fast cutting and edits.

As for Cranks sex, that scene brought the house down in the cinema I went to, it entertained. Its not suposed to be real or serious and for me it worked 100% (but I can see why people do not want sex in action films etc.. if I want to see sex get porn!).

stewa
12-10-08, 03:51 PM
+100

++100%

Pincho
12-10-08, 06:41 PM
H
Wanted, well it was an 18 rated film in the UK here, I dont think it was That hard myself, but it was nice to acctually see people getting killed with actual blood! instead of PG 13 fast cutting and edits.


There was a very violent scene near the end, but I don't want to give it away, it has to do with a gun, and a hole.

Decado2
12-10-08, 07:17 PM
Exactly.

I have to shake my head that considering the blood shed that we see in the movie a scene with two people having sex even gets mentioned. I think that heads getting blown off left and right and blood everywhere is a bit more over the top than consensual sex between two adults. At least that's the case where I live and I hope this goes for everybody else, too ;)

What about sex AND bloodshed simultaneously? Shoot 'Em Up, anybody?

:D

Mr. Hanky
12-10-08, 08:09 PM
I was first exposed to this idea of breast milk fetish in that one! :eek: (The things they come up with to put in a movie...)

Oliver Klohs
12-11-08, 06:51 AM
What about sex AND bloodshed simultaneously? Shoot 'Em Up, anybody?

:D

I liked that movie much more although I would not want to call what happens in it sex :D

That movie is so over the top that is is much harder to take it seriously than Wanted, especially when you look at the first half of the story where Wanted is still semi-serious and the other movie has already shown us extremely bizarre scenes involving a vegetable and other weird stuff.

Goatse
12-11-08, 09:57 AM
Heres a shocker... Your kids still watch R rated movies without you knowing.

oink
12-11-08, 12:02 PM
On a related note, I thought the sex scene in Cranked was a ridiculous and silly premise (but I guess you got to do what you got to do if your pulse is at risk of flatlining :rolleyes: ).Crank is essentially a parody of over-the-top action flicks.
From that POV, the scene works beautifully.


n a side note, Universal seems to be "the" company for HD. Their HD-DVD stuff was great and their BDs lately have been A+.Have to admit, albeit reluctantly, Unversal has put out some excellent BDs.

Mr. Hanky
12-11-08, 01:13 PM
Crank is essentially a parody of over-the-top action flicks.
From that POV, the scene works beautifully.


If that is the case, they neglected to cast Leslie Neilsen somewhere in the movie then. :p That's just plainly obligatory for any legitimate movie parody.

oink
12-11-08, 07:19 PM
If that is the case, they neglected to cast Leslie Neilsen somewhere in the movie then. :p That's just plainly obligatory for any legitimate movie parody.

Can't argue that!;)

PioBeer
12-12-08, 01:50 PM
Just watched wanted last night and I must say I'm disappointed with the PQ. I noticed grain and it was too soft overall. I had big expectations for this movie (as was shot on RED) and the clarity was just not there IMO. The night scenes were pretty good though.

oink
12-12-08, 03:17 PM
Just watched wanted last night and I must say I'm disappointed with the PQ. I noticed grain and it was too soft overall. I had big expectations for this movie (as was shot on RED) and the clarity was just not there IMO. The night scenes were pretty good though.

DNR was used on some of it.

Willamette Valley, eh?
My old stompin' grounds...;)

FoxyMulder
12-12-08, 05:38 PM
Just watched wanted last night and I must say I'm disappointed with the PQ. I noticed grain and it was too soft overall. I had big expectations for this movie (as was shot on RED) and the clarity was just not there IMO. The night scenes were pretty good though.

Just so i get some idea of your setup can you name me some movies you watched this year that you considered to have high image quality. As for DNR Oink - Perhaps done deliberately to some of the actors faces but i consider that airbrushing and not DNR as we commonly refer to it on these threads and since it was in all cinema releases it would not have been done just for the Blu Ray release and it certainly wasn't distracting - For distracting airbrushing try Resident Evil - Extinction.

I only ask because for me i consider Wanted one of the best releases of the year as far as consistent image quality goes.

Hughmc
12-12-08, 05:53 PM
DNR was used on some of it.

Willamette Valley, eh?
My old stompin' grounds...;)


and my current one....

PioBeer
12-12-08, 06:04 PM
Well, I just watched Broken Trail and that movie has far better detail and clarity compared to WANTED. Not sure if that has to do with the aspect ratios 1.78 for BT/ 2.40 for wanted. Just to be clear, it does look good, but I was expecting GREAT for this one.

Alan Gouger
12-12-08, 06:45 PM
Well, I just watched Broken Trail and that movie has far better detail and clarity compared to WANTED. Not sure if that has to do with the aspect ratios 1.78 for BT/ 2.40 for wanted. Just to be clear, it does look good, but I was expecting GREAT for this one.

Did you screen The Dark Knight yet? If so what is your take on that transfer compared to "Wanted"

PioBeer
12-13-08, 12:57 AM
Have not seen Dark Knight yet on BD, I will view within the week. What's up with the changing aspect ratios I've been hearing about? Does the 1.78 stuff look better?

Favelle
12-13-08, 03:29 AM
Bought it, watched it, hated it, lovely PQ and dynamite sound quality though. Going to sell it. Should have rented it. This was as bad as "Shoot 'Em Up".....almost.

Oliver Klohs
12-13-08, 04:13 AM
Did you screen The Dark Knight yet? If so what is your take on that transfer compared to "Wanted"

Alan, we are still in a minority as far as faithful transfers go, if you go to cinema squid that rounds up review ratings for pretty much all the big movies you will find that TDK has a higher rating than:

Iron Man
Indy IV
Hancock
How The West Was Won
Wanted
Tropic Thunder

All rather new titles that clearly are superior to TDK and without annoying video artefacts. This is a trend that can be seen all over the internet and therefore it is so necessary that at least we speak up about the good and the bad on Blu-Ray. It seems that to this day a movie is voted down for simple artistic choices made by the director or technical limitations like using a softer focus in some scenes, using a warmer color palette, darker blacks with less shadow detail or even grain that is more visible in darker parts of the picture. Imo the movie was already was made and these things should be adressed maybe in American Cinematographer but not in a Blu-Ray review that would do well to mainly deal with the introduction of video artefacts to the picture.

raoul_duke
12-13-08, 11:19 AM
Just watched wanted last night and I must say I'm disappointed with the PQ. I noticed grain and it was too soft overall. I had big expectations for this movie (as was shot on RED) and the clarity was just not there IMO. The night scenes were pretty good though.
Em... What? :confused:

Brett C
12-13-08, 11:41 AM
I thought the movie was ok, nothing great. But the quality of the disc was reference quality.

oink
12-13-08, 03:12 PM
Just so i get some idea of your setup can you name me some movies you watched this year that you considered to have high image quality. As for DNR Oink - Perhaps done deliberately to some of the actors faces but i consider that airbrushing and not DNR as we commonly refer to it on these threads and since it was in all cinema releases it would not have been done just for the Blu Ray release and it certainly wasn't distracting - For distracting airbrushing try Resident Evil - Extinction.

I only ask because for me i consider Wanted one of the best releases of the year as far as consistent image quality goes.

Sorry, I'll use the correct terminology from now on.:o
Yes, I meant "airbrushing" on the faces.
Other than that, I thought the image quality was quite good.

gwsat
12-13-08, 03:15 PM
I watched Wanted earlier and as others have opined, I thought the PQ was just OK but the AQ was out of this world. The transfer seemed a little too hot to me so that indoor scenes particularly often had too much contrast for my taste, simply not in a class with Broken Trail, Iron Man, and, more recently, The Dark Knight. The DTS soundtrack, though, was out of this world.

The movie itself is silly, of course, but James McAvoy and Morgan Freeman could breathe life into anything and Wanted is no exception. I thought the filmmaking was both highly imaginative and entertaining. The main action sequences were uniformly outstanding and often contained quiet humor. The "X" marks the spot sequences come to mind.

I didn't know quite what to make of Angelina Jolie. She is still an extraordinarily beautiful woman but now, to me at least, looks a bit desiccated and far older than her 34 years. Her many tattoos, augmented artificially for this role, were also a turnoff. Nevertheless, Jolie is a competent actress and her performance in Wanted was just fine, I thought.

All in all, I loved the movie and recommend it highly.

EDIT: I watched Wanted on a PS3 connected to a Pioneer Kuro 6020 via HDMI cable.

curtishd
12-13-08, 05:54 PM
Watched it last night and I really liked it. It was fun and overall a great PQ and AQ film. Music was alos great.

tsb
12-13-08, 10:43 PM
great popcorn flick and great pq/aq

Hughmc
12-13-08, 11:04 PM
Alan, we are still in a minority as far as faithful transfers go, if you go to cinema squid that rounds up review ratings for pretty much all the big movies you will find that TDK has a higher rating than:

Iron Man
Indy IV
Hancock
How The West Was Won
Wanted
Tropic Thunder

All rather new titles that clearly are superior to TDK and without annoying video artefacts. This is a trend that can be seen all over the internet and therefore it is so necessary that at least we speak up about the good and the bad on Blu-Ray. It seems that to this day a movie is voted down for simple artistic choices made by the director or technical limitations like using a softer focus in some scenes, using a warmer color palette, darker blacks with less shadow detail or even grain that is more visible in darker parts of the picture. Imo the movie was already was made and these things should be adressed maybe in American Cinematographer but not in a Blu-Ray review that would do well to mainly deal with the introduction of video artefacts to the picture.

Indy 4 I don't agree with. While I agree with stating artist's intent and that it is film like, there are definitely video artifacts that are more than apparent even on my 60in display. You can ignore the artist's intent comments, but the rest about video artifacts are accurate.

I do want both a film like picture, welcome grain and enjoy 3D pop. Prince Caspian meets all those. This is from my review for the Tier placement, eye candy thread and it includes timestamps where issues are apparent:

There are several shots of facial closeups throughout the movie that are slightly blurry.

The scene where they are riding the motorcycle around campus utilizes stunt riders about half the time. When I freeze frame on the riders their faces have a DNR waxy/blurry look to them to disguise them as stuntmen. When watching the shot in real time it is slightly blurry, again the point being to hide the stuntmen. Looking to see if the actors or stuntmen are doing the stunt is something I really look into for realism. I have been doing it for years going back to DVD. BD's(HD) clarity exposes some horrific looking stunt doubles. See Terminator movies. Harrison Ford to his credit did a lot of his own stunts within reason on the other Indy Movies and he is a bit intense in that respect. I seen him staple that hat to his forehead so it wouldn't fly off while riding horseback in some special features. Now that is commitment beyond acting.

Several times throughout the film we have artist's intent to let light refract, if that is the proper term in this case, mostly indigo or blue on part of the screen and that detracts from the PQ IMO.

There is a white glow or cast from lighting throughout the film which seems intentional and I think slightly detracts from PQ. I love the look and intent of the lighting, I just think it takes away from potentially better PQ. It has that Ratatouille glow.

At 1:47:21-28 as Indy's buddy is scrambling around inside the temple that 7 seconds is out of focus/blurry as in motion blur.

The jungle scenes in terms of color and clarity of trees and plants don't come close to Apocalypto at all. I am guessing this is due to HD cameras vs film as well as a lot of it was CGI.

The grain and film like quality of the movie are excellent and maybe what mostly lend to the excellent PQ.

COme to think of it, Hancock, Iron Man and Wanted all have some PQ issues regardless of a film like qualities and I am not talking about the grain. I have to look into this more.

Marty
12-14-08, 11:28 AM
Decent movie, but my speakers sure don't like the Universal DTS-HD tracks. I can only get the core, but the narration was very muffled sounding. I noticed the same thing in Baby Mama, the narration wasn't that clear at all. I have no issues with the vast majority of my Blu-rays, Dolby TrueHD always sounds extremely clear. Not sure what the issue is.

As was stated previously in a couple of posts, there is something that isn't right with the DTS-HD audio. In response to one of them, someone suggested the issue was with the individual's set up, but I disagree. This is the first DTS-HD that I 've had a problem with. I do not utilize HDMI, only the analog inputs to my receiver. I wonder if this is the set up that other people with issues utilize for their lossless audio?

FilmMixer
12-14-08, 01:58 PM
As was stated previously in a couple of posts, there is something that isn't right with the DTS-HD audio. In response to one of them, someone suggested the issue was with the individual's set up, but I disagree. This is the first DTS-HD that I 've had a problem with. I do not utilize HDMI, only the analog inputs to my receiver. I wonder if this is the set up that other people with issues utilize for their lossless audio?

What problem exactly are you having with this track?

Your post leaves that important part out.

Analog vs. digital would have nothing to do with one titles "having a problem."

MattGuyOR's complaint was specific to the narration clarity, I gave him specific solutions to try and to alleviate the issue.... he ever came back and told us what he found.

What player and receiver are you using and what's the issue exactly?

Help us help you... :)

Oliver Klohs
12-14-08, 04:05 PM
The grain and film like quality of the movie are excellent and maybe what mostly lend to the excellent PQ.

COme to think of it, Hancock, Iron Man and Wanted all have some PQ issues regardless of a film like qualities and I am not talking about the grain. I have to look into this more.

Grain and film quality are indeed reasonably close to what could be seen in the cinema. As were the issues you describe with Indy IV and you cannot expect them to be gone on Blu-Ray.

You criticism is exactly the one I meant - You are commeenting on the way the film was shot and made, not how it was encoded for Blu-Ray.

It would be good if we could have two ratings from most reviewers: One for a faithful encode/transfer and one rating for the movie on the eye candy scale.

Actually here on AVS we have both - the eye candy/tier thread and the artistic intent thread :)

gwsat
12-14-08, 04:17 PM
You criticism is exactly the one I meant - You are commeenting on the way the film was shot and made, not how it was encoded for Blu-Ray.

It would be good if we could have two ratings from most reviewers: One for a faithful encode/transfer and one rating for the movie on the eye candy scale.
That’s exactly right. The most important single component of PQ is the quality of the original filmed image. That sometimes gets overlooked. It’s also true of sound recordings. It’s all just another application of the well known phenomenon that if garbage goes in, more garbage will come out.

Hughmc
12-14-08, 08:39 PM
Grain and film quality are indeed reasonably close to what could be seen in the cinema. As were the issues you describe with Indy IV and you cannot expect them to be gone on Blu-Ray.

You criticism is exactly the one I meant - You are commeenting on the way the film was shot and made, not how it was encoded for Blu-Ray.

It would be good if we could have two ratings from most reviewers: One for a faithful encode/transfer and one rating for the movie on the eye candy scale.

Actually here on AVS we have both - the eye candy/tier thread and the artistic intent thread :)

You are mistaken. I commented on both, but I purposely made sure to mention to ignore the artists intent comments in the post I made, but that doesn't change the fact their were video artifacts and issues that have nothing to do with artists intent. Reread my post please. I am not talking about removing grain. Over and over I have stated I have no issue with it and welcome it, unless it looks like digital noise and is excessive where the screen looks like it is crawling. I listed two issues, but there were more. The one issue I mentioned about the motion blur certainly was not artist's intent. It was not like that in the theatre and it didn't have to be on the BD.

Some have to let go of the idea that they are the only ones who want grain and film and the rest of us want DNR and video, because that just isn't true. There isn't a market to be cornered here. :)

We can have grain and eye candy and a film like presentation. To me a good film with grain is eye candy. See Prince Caspian.

Neo1965
12-15-08, 05:11 AM
Didn't think much of the premise of the movie, and Angelina Jolie, unfortunately looked like someone's aunt here. There was no chemistry and she didn't even try to make a connection.

Anyway, other than trains blowing up and some fancy bending of bullets, there's hardly anything noteworthy.

I'd say it's a great popcorn flick to waste an evening, but entirely forgetable because Ms Jolie now shows her .... for lack of a better word... vintage. I predict that as a result of this performance, Lara Croft is now taken off many people's hot list. When they remake Mamma Mia!, Angelina would be a shoo in for singing Dancing Queen, in place of Merryl Streep.

PQ was excellent, I've learnt to enjoy film grain and I can overlook light DNR, I can see advantages of both, and frankly nothing bothers me outside of bit-starved encodes that show more blatant artifacts.

Oliver Klohs
12-15-08, 05:15 AM
You are mistaken. I commented on both, but I purposely made sure to mention to ignore the artists intent comments in the post I made, but that doesn't change the fact their were video artifacts and issues that have nothing to do with artists intent. Reread my post please. I am not talking about removing grain. Over and over I have stated I have no issue with it and welcome it, unless it looks like digital noise and is excessive where the screen looks like it is crawling. I listed two issues, but there were more. The one issue I mentioned about the motion blur certainly was not artist's intent. It was not like that in the theatre and it didn't have to be on the BD.

Some have to let go of the idea that they are the only ones who want grain and film and the rest of us want DNR and video, because that just isn't true. There isn't a market to be cornered here. :)

I just went back to my post and I honestly cannot find where I accused you of not liking grain or even wanting to remove it ? As you correctly pointed out grain is not the issue here at all so why should I think that you do not want grain - my reading comprehension is not that bad ;) In fact you speaking out about grain has not gone unnoticed and is certainly different from mamy other users.

I see that you take the words artistic intent literally. I find this a bit misleading as a thread title but it is not my title to change. In the context of our hobby it can only mean reasonably close to the theatrical presentation in most cases or we are back to criticizing moviemakers not encodes of their movies and again this is the Blu-Ray forum and not the American cinematographer forum.

You keep on pointing out those specific 7 seconds of motion blurr as proof that Indy IV is not a presentation that is without annoying video artefacts so you are clearly more easily annoyed than I am and that is fine. To me the Blu-Ray was reasonably close to the theatrical presentation even with those instances of blurr that frankly did not even register with me on a conscious level, unlike some of the effect work that was indeed not among the best I have seen or to put it another way: It was rather unexpected with regard to varying quality.

We can have grain and eye candy and a film like presentation. To me a good film with grain is eye candy. See Prince Caspian.

Of course we can, but clearly not every movie has the potential to deliver, Indy IV is a good example of this. It would be a bit unreasonable to expect Spielberg to redo parts of Indy IV to make tier 0 in some thread on AVS ;)

Seems to me that I am just a bit more relaxed even with less than perfect photography and effects on behalf of the filmmakers, after all they are the creative forces behind the movie and are entitled to make it look the way they want and maybe even do things that we consider wrong, sloppy or unnecessary. If that happens to result in an overall presentation that does not have well lit in focus shots with great shadow detail for the whole length of the movie so be it.

In the end we are both happy with a good to great encode as without it neither would I consider the Indy IV Blu-Ray well done nor you the Prince Caspian Blu-Ray that indeed looks stunning :)

FoxyMulder
12-15-08, 06:25 AM
Indy 4 I don't agree with. While I agree with stating artist's intent and that it is film like, there are definitely video artifacts that are more than apparent even on my 60in display. You can ignore the artist's intent comments, but the rest about video artifacts are accurate.



I saw Indy 4 at the cinema and it was projected digitally using a Christie projector.....In my opinion it looked nothing like the first three and the jungle scenes looked fake and i suspect a lot of green screen studio work on this film....The original 3 had a lot of location work and looked great but Indy 4 just didn't look that well filmed to me and from the sound of it the Blu Ray replicates the cinematic experience....Pretty sure the motion blur you talk about was in the cinema edition.

I won't buy it on Blu Ray as i dislike the fourth installment of this series.

What scenes in Wanted contain artifacts ?

xradman
12-15-08, 09:00 AM
We can have grain and eye candy and a film like presentation. To me a good film with grain is eye candy. See Prince Caspian.

I thought Prince Caspian had some posterization in the beginning (dark night sequences).

Mr. Hanky
12-15-08, 07:24 PM
Anybody notice the extras in 480i? Actually, the strange part is not that they are sd, but that they are encoded in avc to around 15 Mb/s? :eek: Why so much just for sd extras (unless the bitrate is reported wrong for sd content for some reason). Surely, that is extreme overkill if dvd was sufficient for premium sd content at well below 10 Mb/s with merely mpeg-2, right?

I also noticed the same sort of high-bitrate sd extras on Hancock, as well.

I know putting upscaled sd (to hd technical rez) is frowned upon, but isn't anyone else annoyed with sd extras mixed with hd feature on a single disc? The tv has to do that annoying resync (and lost signal message) over hdmi for every single time it bounces from the main menu to the extra and then back. I dunno- I may not be seeing the "big picture" on this, but I think I would just prefer everything to be put on the disc at a single resolution (even if it isn't native to the content).

Bing
12-16-08, 12:55 AM
This is the one of VERY few movie to trip up my PS3. It causes it to pixelizate and break up with green and white dots everywhere. It happened several times thruout. I powered off, cleaned the disc and re-started. It doesn't happen in the same place either......hmmm

The movie was entertaining but forgettable once this post is done. The train scene took it too far. Some elements were original, so i'll give it that. Angelina looked horrible. Her arms were so frail in the grocery store sequence. I couldn't buy into the superwoman persona after that. This movie is like Crank and Shoot Em Up, neither of which i liked.

PQ: It varied too much. Too contrasty. The skin tones in the opening office sequence looked SD. But the butcher room and recovery room looked great.

AQ: Very nice. Can't find pinpoint anything to praise or criticize. After TIH, Hellboy 2, Strangers.....i've come to expect lot from Universal. Had I heard this first, maybe I'd be gushing.

SVT01LIGHTNING
12-17-08, 12:22 PM
i rented wanted last night.....how do you get rid of the BONUSVIEW box in the top left corner of the screen when ur watching the movie?

Deviation
12-17-08, 12:38 PM
I've watched Wanted twice now on my PS3 and there weren't any issues with playback whatsoever.

I really don't understand the sentiment that the train sequence took it too far when it was already ridiculously over the top from the very first scene.

Pincho
12-17-08, 12:55 PM
I've watched Wanted twice now on my PS3 and there weren't any issues with playback whatsoever.

I really don't understand the sentiment that the train sequence took it too far when it was already ridiculously over the top from the very first scene.

The train sequence seems more plausible than most other parts of the film.

gwsat
12-17-08, 01:03 PM
The train sequence seems more plausible than most other parts of the film.
Wanted was a fantasy from beginning to end. Thus, there was little if anything plausible about it. I enjoyed it for that reason but would not want to think seriously about how realistic it was. The ability to bend bullets with mind power says it all. :)

Pincho
12-17-08, 01:10 PM
Wanted was a fantasy from beginning to end. Thus, there was little if anything plausible about it. I enjoyed it for that reason but would not want to think seriously about how realistic it was. The ability to bend bullets with mind power says it all. :)

I should add that it's my favourite Blu Ray.

babrown92
12-17-08, 02:46 PM
I liked the matrix up until the helicopter scence. Way too over the top.

Mr. Hanky
12-17-08, 03:05 PM
The ability to bend bullets with mind power says it all. :)

Was it really "mind power" that was bending the bullet path, though? I thought they were just bending their perception of time (hence, making it seem like slow motion from our perspective) such that they were able to achieve certain tasks with a precision and timing within a time envelope that would otherwise be instantaneous to us. The whole bullet path thing was a consequence of wildly swinging the gun while shooting (inducing a secondary momentum to the bullet), I thought. (...not that I believe a curved path would be the result if somebody shot a gun in such a manner, but...)

gwsat
12-17-08, 03:29 PM
I should add that it's my favourite Blu Ray.
Wanted is one of my guilty pleasures, too. Despite its frequent silliness, it is one of the most imaginative and wildly inventive pictures I have seen in recent times.

oink
12-17-08, 04:32 PM
Wanted is one of my guilty pleasures, too. Despite its frequent silliness, it is one of the most imaginative and wildly inventive pictures I have seen in recent times.

Made by the Russian that did Night Watch and Day Watch.
Both are on BD, BTW.:)

Deviation
12-17-08, 07:34 PM
Made by the Russian that did Night Watch and Day Watch.
Both are on BD, BTW.:)
I enjoyed Wanted quite a lot but I'm not really sure it could be used a lead-in to Night Watch. I wasn't even able to make it all of the way through that movie with the group I tried to see Night Watch with. They're very, very different in pretty much any respect, IMO.

Franin
12-17-08, 07:43 PM
I enjoyed Wanted quite a lot but I'm not really sure it could be used a lead-in to Night Watch. .

I don't think so either.

jayrader
12-17-08, 08:19 PM
Blind buy and loved it. The office scene, don't want to spoil. But its not real often I'm by myself watching a movie and I literally applaud and yell at the screen.

Fun watch.

jayrader
12-17-08, 08:20 PM
I liked the matrix up until the helicopter scence. Way too over the top.

Hahah. Yeah because up until then it was totally plausible :)

Pincho
12-17-08, 08:27 PM
Hahah. Yeah because up until then it was totally plausible :)

I think it is totally plausible... but just a bit unlikely. Especially the batteries element.

Frohlich
12-17-08, 08:47 PM
Put me in the quilty pleasure fan club. I just watched it tonight for the first time. Not realistic what so ever but great fun to watch and very entertaining. I might just end up buying this one after tonight's rental.

gwsat
12-18-08, 10:33 AM
I enjoyed Wanted quite a lot but I'm not really sure it could be used a lead-in to Night Watch. I wasn't even able to make it all of the way through that movie with the group I tried to see Night Watch with. They're very, very different in pretty much any respect, IMO.
I haven't seen Night Watch but wonder how much mainstream appeal it has anyway. IMDb voters, for example, have been underwhelmed, giving the film an average mark of 6.5 out of 10.

dmaul1114
12-18-08, 01:33 PM
Watched it from Netflix last night and really enjoyed it. Definitely over the top but it was enjoyable as hell. Great stunts, some funny dialog, a decent twist. Solid movie. Will probably purchase down the line.

TuenMuner
12-20-08, 04:20 PM
Just finished watching the film for the first time. I LOVE this movie a lot...I would give 3.5/5 for PQ and 5/5 for the DTS-HDMA track. This is easily one of the best track I've ever heard.

oink
12-20-08, 07:46 PM
I enjoyed Wanted quite a lot but I'm not really sure it could be used a lead-in to Night Watch. I wasn't even able to make it all of the way through that movie with the group I tried to see Night Watch with. They're very, very different in pretty much any respect, IMO.
I wasn't implying Wanted was a lead-in to the Night Watch Trilogy.
The 2 have nothing to do with each other.
Other than each has some interesting and creative visuals.



I haven't seen Night Watch but wonder how much mainstream appeal it has anyway. IMDb voters, for example, have been underwhelmed, giving the film an average mark of 6.5 out of 10.
The Watch Trilogy is a very popular Russian set of modern novels dealing with the battle between Forces of Light and Dark.
It has witches, vampires, and other creepy critters, as well as us "normals."

The 2 movies released so far (Night Watch and Day Watch) show a lot of creativity IMO.
Because these were made primarily for Russian audiences (and they would be familiar with the novels) both films require the American viewer to pay strict attention to what is going on...it is a very dense story.
I would recommend at least 2 viewings to "get" everything that is going on in the film.

Currently, the final film is in production and will be called "Dusk Watch."

lgans316
12-25-08, 07:22 AM
Friends,

I am planning to watch Wanted with my family. May I know the timecode of the scenes that contain/depict sexuality ?:o

Pincho
12-25-08, 07:40 AM
Friends,

I am planning to watch Wanted with my family. May I know the timecode of the scenes that contain/depict sexuality ?:o

It's right at the beginning, you could just have a sneak peek yourself.

Franin
12-25-08, 07:58 AM
Currently, the final film is in production and will be called "Dusk Watch."

:cool: Intrested to see how it continues on.

lgans316
12-25-08, 10:39 PM
It's right at the beginning, you could just have a sneak peek yourself.

Thanks Paxton. :) Will skip that scene and watch the rest.:cool:

Romerojpg
12-26-08, 09:34 AM
Thanks Paxton. :) Will skip that scene and watch the rest.:cool:

You dont see anything, no boobs or anything other than a mild bum shot of a man and some wiggling, you see more in any prime time TV show.

So its ok for people to get decimated by bullets and ripped apart with knives, but a mild childish sex scene where you see nothing is bad?

There are acctually 2 sex scenes (again neither is anything but comedy and show nothing), so you will have to forward thru two, as they are not close to each other.

lgans316
12-26-08, 10:04 AM
Thanks Romerojpg. May I know the timecodes of those scenes, please ?

Romerojpg
12-26-08, 10:12 AM
I will try to get them for you later :)
(I can only have my PC on, or my Blu Ray player as they use the same screen :) ). Hopefully someone else will be able to post them before me as I may be busy over next day or two.

But I guess we are lucky they did not go far with the sex in one way as if they had hard sex, like the hard violence, not quite sure what I would say to that. Its an entertainment film, so in a way I am glad to they did not have harder sex in the film.

Mind you we also do see Angelina's bum at one point in the film as well, so I guess that is 3 sexy scenes in total. Again not really full on sex, but if people need to keep it away from family etc.. then they may not want that either.

babrown92
12-26-08, 10:14 AM
You dont see anything, no boobs or anything other than a mild bum shot of a man and some wiggling, you see more in any prime time TV show.

So its ok for people to get decimated by bullets and ripped apart with knives, but a mild childish sex scene where you see nothing is bad?

There are acctually 2 sex scenes (again neither is anything but comedy and show nothing), so you will have to forward thru two, as they are not close to each other.


It's amazing to me how watching a bullet rip through someone's skull in slow motion is not as bad a seeing a few seconds of people having sex.

"Now kids, turn away, I don't want you to see someone's butt...........Quick turn back around! Watch this F**kers head get blown off!!!

MSmith83
12-26-08, 10:22 AM
It's amazing to me how watching a bullet rip through someone's skull in slow motion is not as bad a seeing a few seconds of people having sex.

"Now kids, turn away, I don't want you to see someone's butt...........Quick turn back around! Watch this F**kers head get blown off!!!

I never did get it myself.

A slightly different, but notable example is when people made a big deal over nudity in the bathhouse scene in Eastern Promises. The same people had no problem with the violence that ensued, which involved someone getting stabbed directly in the eye.

Deviation
12-26-08, 12:56 PM
I never did get it myself.

A slightly different, but notable example is when people made a big deal over nudity in the bathhouse scene in Eastern Promises. The same people had no problem with the violence that ensued, which involved someone getting stabbed directly in the eye.
Yeah, I've never been able to make any sense of it. Blood can fly everywhere and it doesn't matter but people even having sex without any nudity and all of the sudden there's an issue?

We can watch people being ripped in half but minds might be scarred if we see a bared breast?

xradman
12-26-08, 02:16 PM
It's amazing to me how watching a bullet rip through someone's skull in slow motion is not as bad a seeing a few seconds of people having sex.

"Now kids, turn away, I don't want you to see someone's butt...........Quick turn back around! Watch this F**kers head get blown off!!!

It's probably the same reason why people let their kids play Halo, but not let them watch porn.

But seriously as someone mentioned earlier in this thread, over the top violence is often accepted by children as "not real" whereas they can't easily differentiate sex on screen.

My 10 year old plays Halo. I tried to restrict him, but he has a 13 year old brother and it's impossible to stop him, not to mention that all his friends also play. He has no qualms about sniping someone in the head with a high powered rifle and blowing it off in the game. I don't think he or any of his friends would ever confuse that with shooting someone for real (I'm sure there are going to be rare exceptions as Columbine showed us). However, I know that he and all of his friends would be either aroused or disgusted by similar sexual scenes on screen.

kezug
12-26-08, 02:42 PM
I liked this movie. I thought it was the best use of "Matrix like" special effects since the Matrix when they did the bending the bullet scenes. Pretty cool.

oink
12-26-08, 05:15 PM
It's amazing to me how watching a bullet rip through someone's skull in slow motion is not as bad a seeing a few seconds of people having sex.

"Now kids, turn away, I don't want you to see someone's butt...........Quick turn back around! Watch this F**kers head get blown off!!!

I never did get it myself.

A slightly different, but notable example is when people made a big deal over nudity in the bathhouse scene in Eastern Promises. The same people had no problem with the violence that ensued, which involved someone getting stabbed directly in the eye.

Yeah, I've never been able to make any sense of it. Blood can fly everywhere and it doesn't matter but people even having sex without any nudity and all of the sudden there's an issue?

We can watch people being ripped in half but minds might be scarred if we see a bared breast?

You guys really need to stop making sense....;)

TheCrackedJack
12-26-08, 06:38 PM
You guys really need to stop making sense....;)

although I can think of a reason, maybe not a good one, but...

I think it's because sex is a very real part of the average person's life and splattering brain matter and hanging people from meat hooks hopefully isn't; that the sex carries much more significance for that reason. So, executives or others may choose to tread more carefully.

Not that I agree, but that's what I've always thought.

Oliver Klohs
12-27-08, 07:17 AM
You guys really need to stop making sense....;)

Amen to that !

I seriously wonder why people would watch this with their kids. But I guess that except for the horrible sex scenes there's nothing wrong with letting the kids enjoy a few blown off heads and other wholesome violence and gore :rolleyes:

Rakesh.S
12-27-08, 01:41 PM
the movie was okay, but angelina jolie looked terrible...what's with the anorexic kick that she's been on? She looked great in the Tomb Raider movies -- now she just looks like she's starving.

Mr. Hanky
12-27-08, 03:08 PM
If you are going for the "R", might as well go all out with the sex scenes, eh? :D I think they should have gone that direction and made a super, hawt uncut br release! ;)

oink
12-27-08, 05:31 PM
the movie was okay, but angelina jolie looked terrible...what's with the anorexic kick that she's been on? She looked great in the Tomb Raider movies -- now she just looks like she's starving.

She has always been thin.
Perhaps she was working out while making TR?

Mike Butny
12-28-08, 01:47 AM
The action is too over the top and the PQ is to dark for my taste.

tbase1
12-28-08, 11:19 AM
It's a movie guys......it should be over the top.

filmfreak
12-28-08, 02:09 PM
It's a movie guys......it should be over the top.

Movie = over the top? Why

vanilla rice
12-28-08, 02:34 PM
The action is too over the top.

i think it's just the right amount of over the top.

Pincho
12-28-08, 02:34 PM
I love the way that this movie doesn't care that it's unrealistic, you just get a fantasy action flick, and scenes that are very artistic, and creative.

Decado2
12-28-08, 02:52 PM
If you are going for the "R", might as well go all out with the sex scenes, eh? :D I think they should have gone that direction and made a super, hawt uncut br release! ;)
It's what I was hoping for, but there are no signs of a DC, so I picked up this release.