First. Sorry for my bad english! :cool:

I own a Optoma H79 and im happy with this machine, but i like deep black levels and i think actual machines like a Sony HW 10 or an Mitsu HC 6500 can do a better black on the screen...

So someone upgraded from a Optoma H78/79 to the Sony HW10 oder the HC6500? Is it the money worth? The 720p (no 24 Hz) resolution of the Optoma is no Problem for me...BluRays looks sharp and there nice colors on my screen, but dark scenes, dont look fine for me. :o

Thanks a lot for your answer...Regards Monkeyhead!

Monkeyhead,
I'm also trying to draw very similar comparisons as you. I have the H78. I sit close to the screen and after upgrading my older tvs in other rooms to 1080p I now notice the screendoor...it isn't bad but its there.

I've seen the higher models of the Sony on display at Best Buy Magnolia and another local chain..but it's nearly impossible to draw good conclusions. I know these new SXRD projectors are vastly superior but they are so poorly setup (a lot of ambient light, some using a split component signal, etc) that they don't look any better than my Optoma at home in the dark.

Hi

I'm in similar place, for me its Sony or JVC HD1.
Quietness of Sony is a big plus, as most others compared to H79 are louder.

JOhn

Why not buy a HW10 from a online seller with an excellent return policy? All you would risk is shipping to have your own in home comparison.

That's what I did. I bought a HW10 and AE3000. Gave them both some screen time and I will be keeping the HW10.

While both projectors needed a final calibration, the AE3000 more so than the HW10, their factory setup was good enough to judge their performance capabilities.

I had been using a Sony HS51A for the past 2 years and 9 months. I always missed the DLP look of the HT1000 I owned previously. The HW10 restores everything I was missing and more.

The Sony HW10 is available at some Best Buy stores. You might inquire if they would wave the restocking fee and let you test the HW10. That's what my Best Buy did, let me have the HW10 to test. I ended up returning the HW10 so I could buy it from Jason here at AVS.

Good luck with your projector purchase.

Thanks for your answers... I had an HT1000 before my Optoma H79. In my opinion these projectors were (at their time) the best machines for value/imagequality.

So the HW10 must be the best today in his priceregion (or range?) :o

So the HW10 must be the best today in his priceregion (or range?) :o

It depends on how much tolerance you have for panel uniformity or convergence errors.

I have little tolerance for either, so the HW10 represents the best value for me. The new Epson Pro LCDs may be different since someone posted they will cherry pick the panels for the Pro line. It's not clear what criteria they use when segregating panels, so we will have to see how the Cinema Pro 7100 and 7500UB compare to their non-Pro siblings.

I could tolerate that, if the contrast/picture is DLP-like or near DLP and the black level is much better than that of my H79 :confused:

That being the case, you might also check out the Panasonic AE3000 and Epson 6500.

Have you thought about the Benq 20000. Same DLP look but better blacks than the H79. Not sure about the noise though

The HW10 is on my short list. I prefer the look of LCOS projectors over LCD ones. But I haven't gotten a chance to see the newer LCD projectors. Byte has a really good suggestion about "kicking the tires" with a local BB Magnolia unit.

Thats the point! I must check actual LCDs...the last LCDs i saw was 2002, when i bought the NEC HT1000. There was a huge different in blacklevel/contrast and overall imagequality!
But the LCDs are much better today, I will try to get a beamer-shootout with my actual H79 and some actual projectors. :rolleyes:

But i will never again pay so much money again...the Optoma costs me near 4000 Euro 3 years ago.I will sale the H79 for 900 Euros soon... (1 Euro are around 1,25 $ :cool: )
Today you will get an better picture for less money, because a beamer in the living room is no longer alienware in europe, like 5 years ago :D
In 2002 only homecinema-freaks owned a beamer. In USA it was normal having a beamer in 2002 i think?

BTW: Is my english easy to understand? :o

Your English is just fine. Please keep us updated on your upgrade experience. Also...900 Euros for your H79 (in its US dollar equivalency) would be a great selling price here. I don't think I could get US $900 for my H78 with a spare new lamp.

I thought buying the HW10 in the USA is much cheapier than in germany (like usual) but best price in germany is around 2300 $ incl. 19% tax and 3 years pickup warranty...
I am very surprised, because all electronics are expensive in germany compared to the USA :confused:

That price for the HW10 is a LOT cheaper than what you can get it for in the US. If you do get it I'd be very interested in your comparisons since you and I have the same projector.

I sold my Optoma for 900 Euros today.
I think i will post a review of the HW10 very soon. :)

Do they want a second one? That's way more than I could sell mine for here. I'd upgrade in a flash if I could get that much for mine.

I upgraded from my H79 to a JVC RS1 some time back. What a difference, especially in color and contrast. I actually like the smoothness of the JVC machine vs. the "pop" that the DLP H79 had. Even better options available now. You will appreciate the difference. Needless to say, bulb life is fastly improved.... SJ

The colors in under normal conditions were fine on my H79.
Whats about the blacklevel compared to your JVC?

Do they want a second one? That's way more than I could sell mine for here. I'd upgrade in a flash if I could get that much for mine.

900 Euros are a normal price for a used Optoma H78/79! In US-Dollar must be about 1100 bucks.

The problem are the import/tax and delivery if you want to sell your machine in europe :o

Yo
WHere did you sell it for at that price, I'm in UK and would gladly take that.

SJHT - my worry on HD1 is its a lot louder than H79.

Thanks

JOhn

I sold my Optoma on a forum like avs ;)

But im sad, about the money that ive lost... :mad:

Thats the reason, why my new beamer must be the HW10.
I dont pay more than 2000 Euros again for a beamer!
For the H78/79 i payed 3600 bucks 3,5 years ago :(

Now i bought a house and theres not much money left for hobbies like homecinema :mad:

HI

WHich forum, I guess a German one but how about a link

Thanks

I don't notice notice any noise from where my RS1 is positioned. In fact, I added an extra fan to try and improve the bulb life when I had my H79. Therefore, it is a LOT quieter! :) The blacks on the RS1 are like black ink. Contrast is 15,000:1. There is a more smoothness to the picture vs. the "pop" of a 1 chip DLP, but I actually prefer it. Good luck! SJ

HI

WHich forum, I guess a German one but how about a link

Thanks

Just click:

http://affenkopp.bluray-filme.com

Thats my profile on this site. My BluRay-Collection is also visible there.
on the upper you can cklick into the "Forum"