Placed my pre-order for the PC-12 Plus on Nov.1. The SVS website still has the pre-order date expiring on Nov.15, today is Nov. 17. The last correspondence I had with SVS was that they hoped to start shipping on either Nov. 14, 17 or 18. I haven't heard from them yet, has anyone else? I can't wait to start tracking it.

I ordered the same sub on Nov. 14. They said they would begin shipping this week but I guess there's a long line ahead of me.

I have been through a few product releases. They don't usually go as well as you want. The prerelease pricing to so the manufacturers can judge consumer interest. But it can back fire because it makes them announce a release date. Hopefully they won't feel rushed to deliver if the product isn't done or hasn't produced as desired. If they feel rushed, I wouldn't want to be one of the first to get a shipment. It may be as hj says and there are just a lot to ship in front of you. You can always contact them.

I have been through a few product releases. They don't usually go as well as you want. The prerelease pricing to so the manufacturers can judge consumer interest. But it can back fire because it makes them announce a release date. Hopefully they won't feel rushed to deliver if the product isn't done or hasn't produced as desired. If they feel rushed, I wouldn't want to be one of the first to get a shipment. It may be as hj says and there are just a lot to ship in front of you. You can always contact them.


SVS runs a tight ship. Ron Stimpson is career military if I am not mistaken. They have been in business long enough to know better than to try to rush anything to market.

They are a year over due on the Audyssey EQ.

Pre-order with SVS is about as worry free as anything new out there. They know all about beta testing.

The SVS website has been updated and apparently the shipping has begun.
My credit card has not been charged yet.............anxiously waiting.

SVS runs a tight ship. Ron Stimpson is career military if I am not mistaken. They have been in business long enough to know better than to try to rush anything to market.

They are a year over due on the Audyssey EQ.

They're giving AV123 a run for their money with the Audyssey unit. Audyssey vs. X-plosive.....which will release first? :p

Has anyone received their shipping notice yet? If so, do you remember the date you placed the order?

Has anyone received their shipping notice yet? If so, do you remember the date you placed the order?I know I saw one somewhere, but I can't find the thread right now.

Emailed them on the 16th asking if they had a ship date for them yet.

They replied the next day that they are building them and will be shipping soon on the pre-orders.

Notification from UPS came in yesterday. PC12+ scheduled to arrive Monday.

Might have to wait a few days before I get a chance to move it from the office to my house but thanksgiving will be fun.

EDIT: I ordered on 9/30/08 if it helps at all trying to figure out where you might be in line.

They're giving AV123 a run for their money with the Audyssey unit. Audyssey vs. X-plosive.....which will release first? :)
Ha!;)

I am frustrated because I ordered a new amp for my 20-39 PC+ and new driver upgrade. I also ordered the new PC+

It's a struggle to see how my order is coming along, Sales seems to keep forgetting about me, they hardly reply to my emails.

I just want them to charge me (money is ready to be spent on them) and at least for now send out my amp and 12.3 driver. I understand about the PC+, I am sure many are waiting.

Are any of experiencing poor service? I even created a thread on what sub will be a good competitor against the PC+ because if the amp and driver ever do make its way here, and the PC+ is never charged on my card, I am going to back out and look else where.

I just hope that they are really busy and will take care of me, because all I hear is good comments on their customer service. :(

Emailed them on the 16th asking if they had a ship date for them yet.

They replied the next day that they are building them and will be shipping soon on the pre-orders.

Notification from UPS came in yesterday. PC12+ scheduled to arrive Monday.

Might have to wait a few days before I get a chance to move it from the office to my house but thanksgiving will be fun.

EDIT: I ordered on 9/30/08 if it helps at all trying to figure out where you might be in line.

Thats great news, I'm excited for you, I ordered on 11/1 and was hoping to play with it over Thanksgiving. Guess I'll just have to keep on waiting since I didn't place my order a month after you did.

Thanks for the info, it helps.

I am frustrated because I ordered a new amp for my 20-39 PC+ and new driver upgrade. I also ordered the new PC+

It's a struggle to see how my order is coming along, Sales seems to keep forgetting about me, they hardly reply to my emails.

I just want them to charge me (money is ready to be spent on them) and at least for now send out my amp and 12.3 driver. I understand about the PC+, I am sure many are waiting.

Are any of experiencing poor service? I even created a thread on what sub will be a good competitor against the PC+ because if the amp and driver ever do make its way here, and the PC+ is never charged on my card, I am going to back out and look else where.

I just hope that they are really busy and will take care of me, because all I hear is good comments on their customer service. :(

All I can speak of is from my experience which has all been positive. When I was researching my purchase from them I e-mailed them a few times with questions regarding their product and it's performance. I e-mailed both tech support (techsupport@svsound.com) & sales (sales@svsound.com) and received responses from Erik V, Ed Mullen and Ron. The all responded within 24 hours and all were very kind and helpful.

Sorry to hear about your experience and I hope it will get better for you.

All I can speak of is from my experience which has all been positive. When I was researching my purchase from them I e-mailed them a few times with questions regarding their product and it's performance. I e-mailed both tech support (techsupport@svsound.com) & sales (sales@svsound.com) and received responses from Erik V, Ed Mullen and Ron. The all responded within 24 hours and all were very kind and helpful.

Sorry to hear about your experience and I hope it will get better for you.


I second that comment. Both tech & sales have been insanely good at responding via email. That's actually what sold me on going with SVS. I can't say I've ever experienced that kind of CS from a manufacturer before. It's too bad they don't make cars.

It is very weird to hear of non-responsiveness from SVS. They are typically right on top of things. If you expect an e-mail that doesn't come, always check the spam filter. Also consider using the good old telephone.

Everything is good now, Erik sent me an email and said all is good. I was disappointed because everyone else was getting the attention except me, LOL. I only worked with one rep of SVS, so he could have been crazy busy.

So he did confirm my order on the new PC+ and will soon be on it's way.

Are any of you using this with another sub or just by itself?

My PC12-Plus is scheduled to arrive on Monday, 11/24. Can't wait to get it hooked up. According to SVS, all pre-orders should be cleared and shipped by Tuesday, 11/25.

I placed my order on 11/4. Got my UPS notification today, for delivery on 11/25. Feel a cold coming on for that day..::rolleyes:

Got mine yesterday. See my post in the Official SVS thread! :D

Oops! Though you were talking about the PB12-Plus. Sorry about that...

Placed my order on Nov.1. Shipped on Nov. 21. Scheduled to arrrive Nov. 25. Just in time to set it up and play with it over the holidays. I've 8 blu rays waiting for me that I've been holding off from watching.

Placed my order on Nov.1. Shipped on Nov. 21. Scheduled to arrrive Nov. 25. Just in time to set it up and play with it over the holidays. I've 8 blu rays waiting for me that I've been holding off from watching.


Roger: From whom did you receive shipment notification-UPS or SVS? I'm having mine shipped to a neighbor since I am away from home and am anxious to get it. Order was placed on Nov 14.

Roger: From whom did you receive shipment notification-UPS or SVS? I'm having mine shipped to a neighbor since I am away from home and am anxious to get it. Order was placed on Nov 14.

I received the e-mail notice from UPS.

I received the e-mail notice from UPS.

Thanks. Let us know how your setup works out, etc.

UPS just dropped it off. Box says PC20-39+. I assume they don't have the boxes for the PC12+ yet.

Whoohooo. Now I have to figure out how to get it home.

Just dropped off by UPS. Christmas has come early!:)

Just dropped off by UPS. Christmas has come early!:)

Congrats. BTW, what's your current sub?

Thanks lalakersfan. My sub was an old AR-12HO. ( It's okay to laugh!)

Ordered on 11/14 -- just received word that they shipped today 11/25
Can't wait! :)

My new PC12-Plus arrived last night from UPS. At first I was concerned that they sent the wrong sub (I too noticed the 20-39 PC-Plus box). The box looked a little beat up. Apparently, the delivery guy had the thing in his truck all day and decided to deliver to my house last (lucky me). He was curious and was wondering what it was. I told him it was a subwoofer from a very reputable on-line company (SVS) and I recommended that he get one after he told me that he was looking for something to replace his 15 inch subwoofer that he obviously wasn't satisfied with. He seemed very interested.

Anyway, luckily, the sub was packed quite well and looked fine upon inspection. Got it hooked up fairly quickly and demo'd a few Blu-Rays (Batman Begins, Transformers, Incredible Hulk) without configuring much other than the basic settings. Right out of the box this thing sounds a lot better than my previous sub, SVS 20-39PC, which broke down and started rattling after 7 years. Bass is deep and clean. Not boomy and very tight sounding. This is a pretty big upgrade for me as far as the built-in amplifier is concerned. The 20-39PC only had a 190 watt built-in amp. The difference in power with the new 525 watt amp along with the new driver is definitelly noticeable. Build quality, of course, is top notch. I'm sure some break-in time will still be required. So, I'll do some more configuring later and demo some more Blu-Rays. So far though, I'm impressed.

Thanks SVS!

It arrived today just as promised. As others described SVS is shipping it in boxes labeled 20-39 PC Plus. There was a gash in one of the corners of the box but no internal damage. Calibrated it using Audyssey which came with my Denon 989. First blu ray I grabbed was Master & Commander, dialed in the first scene with canon fire. WOW. The chair I was sitting began vibrating. I'm off for the next few days with 8 new blu rays to watch. In between I'll try some music and get back to you. Here are a few pics.

Looks great Roger and jimcap4.

Hey Jimcap what center and tower speakers are those so I can have a size refrence rti_? and csi_?

thanks

The box looked a little beat up.

There was a gash in one of the corners of the box but no internal damage.

Unfotuanately, that seems par for the course around here as well--the last few audio components I have taken delivery of have had significant damage to the boxes including large puncture wounds, gouges, crushes, etc.

It's good to know SVS does a good job packing the insides to ward off the damage! Keeping my fingers crossed until next week...

Thanks for all the pics, everyone!

(Roger and Shawn--can you please consider posting pics of the sub in your system so we can get an idea of the size and how the sub integrates space-wise in your system?)

Now that pictures area surfacing and theres an actual "review" of it I really want to get it home. I'm renting a uhaul tomorrow if I can't grab a truck from someone.

Looks great Roger and jimcap4.

Hey Jimcap what center and tower speakers are those so I can have a size refrence rti_? and csi_?

thanks
Gelinas. Polk rti-8 and csi-5. Here's a couple of pix's Thanks

My god is that a sub or a water heater?

Sorry if i sound like a hater, but I actually own my little SB12 plus and I love it. Most of the pleasures of sub ownership, ... none of the fugly.

Hey, I won't lie, if i were single, I'd probably buy one of those too. I'll just read the reviews and live vicariously through you guys, ha!

Gelinas. Polk rti-8 and csi-5. Here's a couple of pix's Thanks

Congrats! Looks great.:)

Tube subs are mathematically effective however!

My god is that a sub or a water heater?

Sorry if i sound like a hater, but I actually own my little SB12 plus and I love it. Most of the pleasures of sub ownership, ... none of the fugly.

Hey, I won't lie, if i were single, I'd probably buy one of those too. I'll just read the reviews and live vicariously through you guys, ha!

Well it sure can't be called pretty. but it's a badass. Plus it's big enough to hug.:eek:

It arrived today just as promised. As others described SVS is shipping it in boxes labeled 20-39 PC Plus. There was a gash in one of the corners of the box but no internal damage. Calibrated it using Audyssey which came with my Denon 989. First blu ray I grabbed was Master & Commander, dialed in the first scene with canon fire. WOW. The chair I was sitting began vibrating. I'm off for the next few days with 8 new blu rays to watch. In between I'll try some music and get back to you. Here are a few pics.

Great pics! I'm sure you will love your new cylinder sub especially it's the plus. I had 20-39 PCi model 3 years ago and I love it. Congrats!

Somebody mentioned a review of the new sub, where is it? I checked the official SVS thread and Googled it, I still can't find it.

I see new pictures but nothing on the bass and sound.

I'd like a review as well

Also, thanks for the pics with the rti8.
I have the same speakers and thought the pc12 plus was going to be the same height. Now I know

Well having played with the sub for 24Hrs here my first impressions

Looks
Built quality is excellent. I was worried that the fabric covering might make it look cheap. But thats not the case. My GF summed it up best saying, “It looks dangerous”

Sound
I have a Yamaha RX v3800 I first calibrated using its YPAO system. It set the mains/surrs to large, cross over to 60hz and ran the sub 6dB below the mains/surrs. I wasn’t thrilled with those setting so I changed mains/surrs to small, cross-over to 80Hz and ran the sub 3dB a above the mains/surrs. I used 300,The Hulk. Hancock and Band of Brothers, Blue-rays as my test material. The bass was clean and deep. It could be felt and seem to come from all parts of the room. Very Nice! I’m planning to get a hold of a SPL meter this weekend and do some more tweaking

I‘ve spent over 8 months looking for the right sub. I’m grateful to the people on this board in helping me make an informed decision. Thanks I’m a Happy Guy.:)

My Stuff
Receiver- Yamaha RX-V3800
Front speakers –Polk RTI 8
Center –Polk CSI-5
Rear – Polk FX/ A4
Surr- Polk FX/3
SUB - SVS PC-12+
HD-dvd - Toshiba HD-A35
Blu-Ray Panasonic DMP-BD35
TV - Panasonic 50PZ750U 50in Plasma

I haven't opened up my Band of Brothers yet, how is it? I have the DVD set so I am curious to how much the Blu Ray version has improved. I haven't even touched most of my Blu Rays because I am waiting on my new PC12 Plus sub and the 20-39 PC+ amp replacement. Can't wait!

I haven't opened up my Band of Brothers yet, how is it? I have the DVD set so I am curious to how much the Blu Ray version has improved. I haven't even touched most of my Blu Rays because I am waiting on my new PC12 Plus sub and the 20-39 PC+ amp replacement. Can't wait!

Picture. Noticeably better than the standard DVD.
Sound. Remixed in DTS-HD. Awesome.:eek:

Finaly got it home. I'm in an apartment though so wasn't able to watch any movies or even get it going tonight since it was 9pm. Did run the antimode sweeps. Whole place started vibrating a couple times.

Planning on doing an impromptu movie night (day) saturday and run through iron man, hulk, wotw and either sunshine or cloverfield if we can get them in before the sun goes down.

Jimcap4, looks like hancock on the screen there, is that movie any good? Looks like it has the potential to have some heavy bass scenes too.

EDIT: The baseplate on mine has a knick in it. I haven't looked at in detail yet but figure one of you might know. Is the baseplate easily removed and replaced? If so I'll ask them RMA and replace the baseplate but I'll be damned if I'm going through the effort/hassle to ship the whole monster around for a 1inch piece of torn mdf/vinyl.

Somebody mentioned a review of the new sub, where is it? I checked the official SVS thread and Googled it, I still can't find it.

I see new pictures but nothing on the bass and sound.


Sorry, that was me. When I said reviews I meant the guys saying it sounds good to them. Not proffesional reviews.

Watched my first movie last night, The Incredible Hulk. The SVS gain set to the midline position. The LFE were absolutely incredible. It is true, not only can you hear the low frequencies but you can feel them. The chair I was sitting was vibrating. During the movie one of the kids went outside to use their cell phone and when they came back they mentioned they could still hear it outside the house. After it was over I replayed a few scenes and walked over to the sub and I couldn't believe how much wind was coming out of the top ports.
I am very happy and glad I spent weeks researching prior to my purchase. The comments from everyone in this forum has been invaluable.

I now know what it means to be blown away!

My god is that a sub or a water heater?

Sorry if i sound like a hater, but I actually own my little SB12 plus and I love it. Most of the pleasures of sub ownership, ... none of the fugly.

Hey, I won't lie, if i were single, I'd probably buy one of those too. I'll just read the reviews and live vicariously through you guys, ha!

That's what an acoustically transparent screen and false wall are for! Hides my PC-13Ultra well and takes advantage of the limited footprint.

The ultimate in WAF is not seeing it at all! :D

EDIT: The baseplate on mine has a knick in it. I haven't looked at in detail yet but figure one of you might know. Is the baseplate easily removed and replaced? If so I'll ask them RMA and replace the baseplate but I'll be damned if I'm going through the effort/hassle to ship the whole monster around for a 1inch piece of torn mdf/vinyl.

Hi SoapDoctor,

Very sorry about that nick! Please drop us a line at techsupport@svsound.com and we'll get a new baseplate out to you. They're easy to switch out, no need to send the whole sub back.

Thanks, and have a great day. :)

Finaly got it home. I'm in an apartment though so wasn't able to watch any movies or even get it going tonight since it was 9pm. Did run the antimode sweeps. Whole place started vibrating a couple times.

Planning on doing an impromptu movie night (day) saturday and run through iron man, hulk, wotw and either sunshine or cloverfield if we can get them in before the sun goes down.

Jimcap4, looks like hancock on the screen there, is that movie any good? Looks like it has the potential to have some heavy bass scenes too.

EDIT: The baseplate on mine has a knick in it. I haven't looked at in detail yet but figure one of you might know. Is the baseplate easily removed and replaced? If so I'll ask them RMA and replace the baseplate but I'll be damned if I'm going through the effort/hassle to ship the whole monster around for a 1inch piece of torn mdf/vinyl.

Hi SoapDoctor,
Hancock was okay. The frist half was really funny, but then it kinda dragged. I was also disappointed with the LFE. It seem to be subdued in the mix. I give it a rent.

To all: have a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving!:)

Hi SoapDoctor,

Very sorry about that nick! Please drop us a line at techsupport@svsound.com and we'll get a new baseplate out to you. They're easy to switch out, no need to send the whole sub back.

Thanks, and have a great day. :)

Will do, figured I'd wait until the holiday was over to worry about it.

That is what I call customer service!!

That is what I call customer service!!

Assumed I wouldn't get a response until Monday at the earliest if I sent an email to thier CS so I fiugred I'd wait until Monday to email them. Decide to ask on here if anyone knows about the baseplates and they hunt me down and answer my question on Thanksgiving day. Pretty impressive.

Assumed I wouldn't get a response until Monday at the earliest if I sent an email to thier CS so I fiugred I'd wait until Monday to email them. Decide to ask on here if anyone knows about the baseplates and they hunt me down and answer my question on Thanksgiving day. Pretty impressive.

SVS service is incredible. The only problem is that you get spoiled really quickly. On the off chance that it takes more than a few hours for you to get a response to an e-mail you start to worry and get impatient! :p

Here are some pictures of my setup with the new PC12-Plus. It sounds absolutely fantastic. It digs much deeper than my previous subwoofer and I'm hearing bass now that I never heard before on movies. Iron Man and Cloverfield are simply insane. Definitelly my big upgrade for the year. My equipment list is listed below:

TV: Mitsubishi WD-73733 73-Inch Widescreen 1080p HDTV
Receiver: Denon AVR-2805 DD-EX/DTS-ES 7.1
DVD Player: Denon DVD-2200
HD DVD Player: Toshiba HD-A35, Toshiba HD-A1
Blu-Ray Player: Panasonic DMP-BD55
Speakers: Klipsch Reference Series (RF-25 Mains, RC-35 Center, RS-25 Surrounds)
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-Plus
Power Conditioner: Monster PowerCenter HTS2600
5.1 Analog Switcher: Zektor HDS4.1

Assumed I wouldn't get a response until Monday at the earliest if I sent an email to thier CS so I fiugred I'd wait until Monday to email them. Decide to ask on here if anyone knows about the baseplates and they hunt me down and answer my question on Thanksgiving day. Pretty impressive.

That really is amazing, on Thanksgiving day. I wish I had more money to buy things from them just so i can experience their awesome customer service some more.

Got a chance to watch a movie. Black Hawk Down. Seen a number of times but had no clue what the "Irene" scene was. Was pretty obvious what the Irene scene was with the pc12+. My old sub never did anything like that. I'm in love.

I'm in Baton Rouge so after katrina it was a regular occurence to have Blackhawks flying over pretty low on thier way to New Orleans. You get to recognizing the sound, vibration running through the house and the overall "There's a blackhawk flying over," experience. Had the reciever at -15 (75db at 0) and the sub is calibrated 2db lower than the rest of the speakers. Pretty much perfect simulation of the real thing flying over. If I didn't think my neighbors would show up with torches and pitchforks I'd love to hear it at refrence.

Want to buy a second one for no reason than too much of a good thing is a good thing. 1 is overkill in my apartment/condo so 2 would lead to my homeowners association voting me off the island.

Thanks for the early christmas SVS, I'm happy as... well I can't really say that in an all ages forum.

Can't wait, mine shipped out 4 days ago. Thanks for the awesome reviews and feedback!

Can't wait, mine shipped out 4 days ago. Thanks for the awesome reviews and feedback!

Your gonna love it !

During the movie one of the kids went outside to use their cell phone and when they came back they mentioned they could still hear it outside the house.

SWEEET!!! :D

BTW, for those of you who have started playing with the sub--any impressions on how the sub operates with the various ports open/closed?

Any owners of the previous 20-39 PC+ have reviews of the PC12 Plus in comparison?

A quick question for anybody who has a New PC12-Plus: the photo of the amp on the SVS web site shows speaker level inputs, but the owner's manual shows a different amp backplate that does not have speaker level inputs. Which is correct? I'm using a stereo receiver with no preamp outputs/main amp inputs.

My pair of PC12 Pluses just arrived today--despite a fair bit of box trauma, the insides were safe and sound--great packing and service SVS!

The subs actually look much better in person than in the web pics. The fabric covering is like a very thick velour. I was surprised: it's not just like fabric covering a cylinder. Rather, the thick fabric appears to be melded to a 3/4 inch black layer that wraps around the sub. It does not look cheap at all to me, and the appearance screams "high tech" and "deep and loud" :)

I do think that while they take up less floor space, the subs look big in my room (8 ft ceilings) due to their height, so it's certainly not for folks that want to hide their home theater. Having said that, they are pretty easy to move around during placement.

A couple of tips if you are planning to order one: it's good to have a vacuum handy when opening the box, as the rubbing of the packing material during transit leaves black dust all over the inside of the box and the outside of the bag enclosing the sub. Also, once you tip the box on it's side, it's easiest to open the side of the box with the serial number sticker on it--after you remove the top layer of packing, the sub just rolls right out with no fuss.

Oh, and yes, there are speaker level inputs on the sub.

Oh, and yes, there are speaker level inputs on the sub.

Thanx for the info. Now it's time to let Mrs. Chainsaw know what she's getting me for Xmas. :D

My PC12-Plus arrived today!

The packaging looked to be top notch. My box showed few signs of outside damage and the sub looks to be untouched upon initial inspection.

Unfortunately, I haven't had the opportunity to hook it up and play with it yet. I may use my Denon AVR to calibrate it tonight.

The PC12-Plus's size definitely caught me off guard. My room is on the small side so it makes to sub seem even bigger. The smaller footprint should make it easier to place it, while a traditional boxed sub might have a little more "bling" effect.

For what it's worth, my girlfriend said it looked like a trash can! LMAO! It does look like I expected though. Very nice and subtle in my opinion. My only dislike is the ease with which the fabric moves when you touch it. It concerns me with moving it since constant relocation might damage it if not done with the upmost care.

Pictures coming soon and reviews on the sound. This is my first true sub, so I'm sure I'll have a huge grin on my face.

My only dislike is the ease with which the fabric moves when you touch it. It concerns me with moving it since constant relocation might damage it if not done with the utmost care.
It's not a delicate as you might think. This is also not an iPod. You're not supposed to carry it around in your back pocket.:)

If the sock slides around while you move it, just use your hand to smooth it out.

BTW, when you do lift it, don't squeeze too tight. The cylinder can stand higher, consistent pressure, but you cause pressure points with your arms and you can collapse the tube. I used to wrap my arms around it but use my hands to lift with the lip that overhangs the amp.

I also received my new SVS PC 12+ sub today via UPS (United Puncture Service) with only one 357 magnum hole through the side. But the sub was untouched thanks to superb packaging as mentioned previously. I'm going to start off quick with setup using the microphone attached to my Yamaha 663 and this weekend I'll use my spl meter. Can't wait to hear it go off!

SVS shipped out my replacement baseplate today. Just emailed them about it yesterday afternoon so pretty quick turnaround.

Patiently waiting for this sub to make it's appearance on Sonicboomaudio.com for us Canadians.

I received an e-mail from Mason of Sonicboomaudio on Nov 30 stating that he "should have the new PC12 plus in stock and ready to ship in about 2-3 weeks." Also that "the price for it will be $1279, exactly the same as the current US price after accounting for the exchange rate. There will be a preorder savings of $100 available on it as well for any order that we receive before the subs arrive at our place."

I mailed him back inquiring when it would appear on Sonicboomaudio so I can preorder. Still no word.

It will be nice to finally have a decent sub to go with my 2 pair Infinity IL50's and my IL36Center, all with 10"subs. I've been missing all the subwoofer channel audio in my movies for years now. Mind you 5X10" subs provide a decent amount of low end, just not the same though without a good sub for .1 LFE.

Next I'll have to debate going 7.1. That's another can of worms though.

So what factors had you folks choose the PC12-Plus over the PC12-NSD? The $400+ price difference is pretty big.

I'm a fan of the cylindrical design and am considering one as well and was just wondering what drove you folks up to the Plus.

Sorry if this is more appropriate for the main SVS thread but most of the chatter there is about the boxes and I wanted to know the opinions of owners.

thanks
BigRob.

Price and footprint were my two factors.

Price and footprint were my two factors.

Hi dreamstate,
They are both 16" diameter and the NSD is 400 bucks less. Perusing the SVS web site I see that they show graphs but my untrained eye doesn't see much of a difference. Approx 200 watts doesn't get you that many more db, does it?

thanks,
BigRob.

Hi dreamstate,
They are both 16" diameter and the NSD is 400 bucks less. Perusing the SVS web site I see that they show graphs but my untrained eye doesn't see much of a difference. Approx 200 watts doesn't get you that many more db, does it?

thanks,
BigRob.

Those graphs are to show frequency response only. They have nothing to do with maximum output.

Those graphs are to show frequency response only. They have nothing to do with maximum output.

....or distortion, or group delay, or....

Those graphs are to show frequency response only. They have nothing to do with maximum output.

Right. I'm just picking through the svs site. I haven't been able to google up any direct comparison between the NSD and Plus and was wondering what the new owners found compelling.

Thanks,
Rob.

Right. I'm just picking through the svs site. I haven't been able to google up any direct comparison between the NSD and Plus and was wondering what the new owners found compelling.

Thanks,
Rob.

I'd be interested to see those impressions as well. Unfortunately, I'd doubt many people have both the PC12-NSD and PC12-Plus. It might be awhile before we see actual first-hand comparisons of both subs.

I am struggling with this same issue. A few weeks ago I e-mailed svs basically asking whether to go with the Plus or 2 NSDs (roughly about the same cost). The guy at SVS wrote back:

"If you can handle the 40" height of the new PC12-Plus, it'd certainly be the way to go. About 50% more output than the PC12-NSD, along with things like variable tuning (with a sealed mode), a more advanced driver, and better resistance to overload…it's almost impossible to push into audible distress."

That quote was taken from a response to some direct questions about room placement issues I had.

Of course, either the plus or the NSD would be an improvement over what I have now - but also, one of the things I notice most audiophiles say is that they would rather have 1 good sub over 2 mediocre ones.

That said - I am still on the fence and am very curious to read about a direct comparison. Who knows - funds permitting, perhaps I will be the guinea pig -

So what factors had you folks choose the PC12-Plus over the PC12-NSD? The $400+ price difference is pretty big.

I'm a fan of the cylindrical design and am considering one as well and was just wondering what drove you folks up to the Plus.

Sorry if this is more appropriate for the main SVS thread but most of the chatter there is about the boxes and I wanted to know the opinions of owners.

thanks
BigRob.

Price, footprint and company reputation.

So what factors had you folks choose the PC12-Plus over the PC12-NSD? The $400+ price difference is pretty big.

I'm a fan of the cylindrical design and am considering one as well and was just wondering what drove you folks up to the Plus.

Sorry if this is more appropriate for the main SVS thread but most of the chatter there is about the boxes and I wanted to know the opinions of owners.

thanks
BigRob.

Personally, I asked the guys here what they would recommend for my room size (medium), listening level (moderate), situation (apartment), space requirement (small footprint) and budget ($500 or so). They recommend the PCI line which is now the NSD. If my budget was higher they thought I would be very happy with a plus or ultra. SVS had the same response as the guys here.

After debating it with myself or maybe more appropriately convincing myself. I decided to spend the extra bit and go with the PC12+. My logic, flawed or not, was/is that a PCI(NSD) might be fine now but will I keep reading reviews and want something more? Also, when I move and can really push it will I be disappointed and need to upgrade or pick up a second one? Decided to try and future proof by uping my budget.

I guess the math would be shorter to read and more to the point.

Lets assume (1)PC12Plus = (2)PC12NSD. Obviously they don't exactly but for my purposes I saw that as the two future options. At current pricing that's $999 v 2x$549 meaning in the long term I actually saved $100. Did the preorder so ignoring shipping I really saved $200.

Sorry for the long winded response but that was my reason. The PC12+ is exactly what I wanted. Would I be disappointed in the NSD? Probalby not but I'm glad I went a step up rather than wondering "what if" every time I watch a movie.

Did everybody have to install their driver separately? Mine came in 2 boxes and then SVS forgot to include the screws. Bummer... Good news is that they are sending me the screws ASAP.

Did everybody have to install their driver separately? Mine came in 2 boxes and then SVS forgot to include the screws. Bummer... Good news is that they are sending me the screws ASAP.

One box with one completely built sub. No screws required.

Did everybody have to install their driver separately? Mine came in 2 boxes and then SVS forgot to include the screws. Bummer... Good news is that they are sending me the screws ASAP.

You ordered a sub and they sent you one that wasn't assembled? That sounds strange.

Is it because you are in Germany and it saved on shipping costs?

Yes, the shipping was the reason behind the separate boxes. I originally wanted the PC Ultra, but USPS wont ship anything that heavy APO to me, so I settled for the PC12 Plus.

So... I am running one 20-39 PC Plus and waiting to get the PC12 Plus running with it. They both look identical except for the driver, big difference between the 12.2 driver and the 12.4 The amps are different because of the new PEQ avail on the PC12 Plus so the layout looks longer. Badge designs of the SVS logo are different, base plate now has 4 post instead of the 3 from the 20-39 PC Plus.

The 12.4 driver looks much more massive and the basket design is definetly much stronger built than the previous 12.2 driver. Although I did order the upgrade to a 12.3 for the 20-39 PC Plus.

You ordered a sub and they sent you one that wasn't assembled? That sounds strange.

Is it because you are in Germany and it saved on shipping costs?
May have been easier to get through customs when they can just look inside. The Gestapo stole the screws.;)

Did everybody have to install their driver separately? Mine came in 2 boxes and then SVS forgot to include the screws. Bummer... Good news is that they are sending me the screws ASAP.

How long did it take for USPS parcel post to deliver your sub? I ordered my Sierra-1's before thanksgiving and I still don't have them. My PC12+ was shipped parcel post too, the waiting game sucks..

My PC12 Plus took about 2 1/2 weeks to come in via APO. However, when I bought my 20-29 PC Plus from a forum member, it took about a month. I am still waiting for my new amp replacement and 12.3 driver upgrade to come in from SVS. The amp some how took a dump but it was still under warranty. At the time of getting my replacement amp I decided to upgrade the driver to.

Apparently SVS Priority shipped my screws for the PC12 Plus... so I have two subs waiting to be used.

Since you are still stateside you are lucky, PC12 Plus is the heaviest you can go for USPS. So I am hoping after everything is calibrated that these two subs will give me enough bass?

I'm actually stationed at Osan, so I guess I have some witing to do.

I really wanted the Ultra but it was too heavy to ship to an APO. They told me the PC12+ would be shipped without the driver in it to meet the parcel post weight requirement, I think 130 inches total (l+w+h) and no more than 70 pounds.

The installation is very easy, the way they designed the new driver basket makes the wiring a snap. No soldering or crimping. Just a phillips screwdriver and patience so you don't scratch anything. The speaker will come in the older model box, there should be a slip inside assuring you have the new design PC12 Plus.

Hopefully they wont forget the driver screws like they did to me, so that is what I am waiting for right now.

I flew on P3s for the Navy, been to Osan AB in 2000. Got out and now my wife stayed active duty AF here at Ramstein AB.

I had a SB12-Plus here a couple of weeks and just couldn't seem to get enough bass. Had to choose because of WAF. Called SVS and Ed Mullen recommended the PC12-plus because of the small footprint for the living room, easier to place. Well I have had the PC12-Plus for about a week and played a number of movies and Wow what a difference. I have a friend who has the PB12-Plus and he wishes he would have got this instead. This baby is unbelievable. If you really want to see how it performs, put the movie "Underworld" with Kate Beckinsale in and turn it up. Shake,rattle and roll. AV receiver gain way below reference level (-25 on my Yammy RXV) and it rumbles the couch and my insides real good. 2200 cubic foot room with 2 openings for kitchen and hallway to bedrooms with plenty of furniture. I highly recommend this sub. SVS started their business and became popular with the cylinder sub, and I understand why.

I am considering this sub and have a couple of questions. Any of the owners have an irregualr open room? Like open to a kitchen or on the 2nd floor that is open to the 1st. If so, how does it sound. I have 2nd story loft that's open to the staircase and overlooks the 1st floor, curious how this sub would sound in such a setup. If you had to do it all over again, would you go the ultra route or is the plus more than enough? Appreciate the feedback.

I am considering this sub and have a couple of questions. Any of the owners have an irregualr open room? Like open to a kitchen or on the 2nd floor that is open to the 1st. If so, how does it sound. I have 2nd story loft that's open to the staircase and overlooks the 1st floor, curious how this sub would sound in such a setup. If you had to do it all over again, would you go the ultra route or is the plus more than enough? Appreciate the feedback.

Like I said in my last post I have a 2200 cubic foot room. It's open on one side to a large kitchen and Den, and the other side is open to a hallway with a bathroom. Master Bedroom and another bedroom. All doors are open. The two openings go to about 1400 square feet. The PC12-Plus does great. I'm sure the PC Ultra would do just fine to, but I can't see getting any better then what I have now.

I wanted the PC-Ultra or the Ultra 13 but because I am stationed overseas the weight limit is too much. The largest thing they would ship to me is the PC12-Plus and even then, they had to send it to me in two seperate boxes.

If you have the money to splurge, I would go for the biggest and best. On a side note, I am very happy with my PC12 Plus, and can't wait to run it with my 20-39 Plus with 12.3 driver upgrade. But I still always wonder what the Ultra guys have and wish I could hear it.

Bryan

I wanted the PC-Ultra or the Ultra 13 but because I am stationed overseas the weight limit is too much. The largest thing they would ship to me is the PC12-Plus and even then, they had to send it to me in two seperate boxes.

If you have the money to splurge, I would go for the biggest and best. On a side note, I am very happy with my PC12 Plus, and can't wait to run it with my 20-39 Plus with 12.3 driver upgrade. But I still always wonder what the Ultra guys have and wish I could hear it.

Bryan

If your heart is set on the PC ultra it can be shipped in sections also. The housing, the Amp, and the speaker driver.

Ummmm... I was never told that. I asked for the PC-Ultra and SVS told me I couldn't have it mailed USPS due to weight and size. They do provide other carriers worldwide but it is insanely expensive.

I am assuming the PC Ultra Cylinder and it's box is much larger then the PC12 Plus, therefore they wont ship it USPS.

Here's the PC12-Plus on the left side of the room. http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e387/thebulmerfamily2003/DSC00865.jpg

Here's my 20-39 PC Plus awaiting new amp, new 12.3 driver already installed. http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e387/thebulmerfamily2003/DSC00873.jpg

Best I could do at angle to show both subs. http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e387/thebulmerfamily2003/DSC00875.jpg

I guess it all depends on where you're shipping, I have dual Plus/2s in my setup, had them both shipped here to Japan.

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/gixxer_rydder/Theater%20Room/DSC00537.jpg

Here's the PC12-Plus on the left side of the room. http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e387/thebulmerfamily2003/DSC00865.jpg

Here's my 20-39 PC Plus awaiting new amp, new 12.3 driver already installed. http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e387/thebulmerfamily2003/DSC00873.jpg

Best I could do at angle to show both subs. http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e387/thebulmerfamily2003/DSC00875.jpg

Is that 20-39 upside down?:confused:

Yes, I was told to have one upside down to get the best bass effect.

J/K-ing, I just installed the new 12.3 driver upgrade, the amp took a dump but was under warranty, they sent me a new amp but it was the wrong one, so now I am waiting for SVS to send me the correct amp. At the time of ordering the new driver and amp I decided to buy the PC12 Plus.

As of right now, I am very happy with just the PC12 Plus, it sounds great. Now I am curious to how much better it will sound when running two subs.

Where are you in Japan? I was prior Navy Aircrew, I have been to Kadena, Misawa, Atsugi, Yokota, Yokuska, and Tokyo. I also visited Yokohama. Germany is alright, the weather could be better.

let us know if you hear any difference between the 12.3 and 12.4

Well after 1 week of brutally honest email exchanges with Ed from SVS, I went ahead and ordered a PC12-Plus. It's way more than I wanted to spend, original budget was ~$300-500. But within that budget I could not\would not get a sub I loved. I tried an eD A2-300, it simply was not enough and it had major bottoming -out issues. So it's on it's way back. I know this SVS sub is in a class of it's own compared to the A2-300 and given the fact we were modestly happy (except when it bottomed out which was quite a bit) with the A2-300, we should love the PC12-Plus (at least I hope, else I am done buying ID lol). Given the fact I ordered so late, x-mas is not gonna happen but I am glad I took the time. I compared HSU 3.3, Epik (none are in stock and they have no idea when they will be able to ship more), MFW-15 (people seem to push this sub at you although there have been a lot of issues with the QC lately, not to motion the price is jacked up and shipping is over $100). So taking all this into account and the fact 2 of my coworkers have SVS subs, I just felt more comfortable going with SVS. Forgot to mention these forums of course helped a ton. Anyhow, here's hoping this is the last sub I buy for the next few years :)

PS I asked SVS this, but no response yet, the PC12-Plus is the 2009 model right, does anyone know if SVS have anything coming down the pike soon? If so... I might wait.

You won't be disappointed! This thing freakin slams in my tiny 1400 cubic foot room :) Can't wait to add another one when I move!

The PC12 Plus just came out in November. It's the newest Cylinder sub model they have. I don't think you will have to worry about changes for awhile.

Even if they did, you can see how long the 20-39 series ran, SVS provided upgrades to that as well.

I've had my 20-39PCi for about 5yrs. Dealing with SVS is about as good as it gets, great people that are into what they manufacture, better then great customer service, I would buy from again and again, except I have no reason to ever replace this puppy! (wife made the same Water Heater comment when it arrived years ago!) I have mine sitting in the front corner behind my rack, untouched for 5yrs except for the occasional dusting.

From 13.5' away, I measured 122db at the LOTR 10-11hz Ring Drop. (a popular test) My first sub was laughable squeaky HTB unit, I wanted something I would never ever be unhappy with, and I got it. It's the best addition to my theater for fun by a long shot.

When you buy from them, it's best to draw a picture of your intended room, include all windows, openings, furniture etc...everything that can affect sound waves, and include your listening preferences....they will take that all into account and will not try to oversell you.

I've had my 20-39PCi...

...From 13.5' away, I measured 122db at the LOTR 10-11hz Ring Drop. (a popular test)

Sorry, but there's no way you measured 122dB at 11hz with the 20-39 PCi from 13.5' away. Even from 13.5" away, there's no chance you could get 122dB at 11hz (probably not any other frequency either) with that sub. The 20-39 PCi is a great sub, but it has its limits, and those limits are far below 122dB. I'll have to assume that 122dB was a typo.

Yeah, 122db depending on his meter but with all speakers playing and the sub that's would be loud @ 13ft

Thanks for all the feedback, makes me feel a little more comfortable with my choice. Now the waiting game... I watched the new mummy flick this last weekend, I could only wonder what the PC12-Plus would sound like as I listened to my baby Polk 8" distort to the point where I had to turn it down.

I exchanged e-mails with Ed from SVS for almost a week, I explained the room I was working with along with how poorly the A2-300 performed. He said the minimum he would recommend is the PB-12 NSD. A wise poster or two told me buy more than you will need, so since the PB-12 was the min, I figured I would step up and blow the budget on the PC-12 Plus. That and there was no way I could afford the Ultra. Ed warned me that the -11 to -6 under reference I listen too might be pushing the PC12-Plus to it's limit, but a properly configured setup would not need that kind of volume. I have tiny Polks that take some volume for you to really hear the sound. I guess I could run the Polks hot and the sub a little lower. Not sure, a lot of this stuff is still new to me. Guess that is what these forums are for :)


When you buy from them, it's best to draw a picture of your intended room, include all windows, openings, furniture etc...everything that can affect sound waves, and include your listening preferences....they will take that all into account and will not try to oversell you.

Anyone own two of these babies? I was thinking of buying two after the new year. How would it sound? Would it be overkill? My room is 18' long by 13' wide with one opening in the rear. I would place these on either side of my 100" screen. BOth in the corner.

THanks,

Is there a discount for 2?If there is ask if you can buy one and get another in a mo for the same price? They you will know if 2 is overkill. But if you have a dedicated room I would just buy 2. Never can have over kill. The open room really suck out the bass. And with 2 subs you don't need to worry about placement as much to get max spl.

Sorry, but there's no way you measured 122dB at 11hz with the 20-39 PCi from 13.5' away. Even from 13.5" away, there's no chance you could get 122dB at 11hz (probably not any other frequency either) with that sub. The 20-39 PCi is a great sub, but it has its limits, and those limits are far below 122dB. I'll have to assume that 122dB was a typo.

Ahh! Late night posting! IIRC is was around 110db. This was a popular ref test on Hometheatertalk years ago....just looked and the forum is gone! LOL!

The Sub is corner weighted, JBL Studio Monitors all around, Pioneer VSX-1014, MMCA calibrated, Radio Shack Analog Meter, C weighting, slow response.. I know I have measured over 120db with it before, this is not a big living room. (house is under 1200sq ft) If I can find some notes I'll pass them on, it's been since 2004, this thing just works and I don't think about it! :D

Ahh! Late night posting! IIRC is was around 110db.

That sounds more feasible. Still not at 11hz though. I could see that happening in the 25-30hz range assuming you have good room gain.

The Sub is corner weighted, JBL Studio Monitors all around, Pioneer VSX-1014, MMCA calibrated, Radio Shack Analog Meter, C weighting, slow response.. I know I have measured over 120db with it before, this is not a big living room. (house is under 1200sq ft) If I can find some notes I'll pass them on, it's been since 2004, this thing just works and I don't think about it! :D

You measured 120+dB with your SPL meter C-weighted SLOW? Wow...it's hard for me to fathom that kind of output with a five year old 20-39 PCi. How far away from the sub was the SPL meter? I've had two stacked PB10-NSD's in an 11'x10'x8' room and never measured above 114dB with the SPL meter at the listening position just 5-6 feet from the subs (C-weighted, FAST). I now use an Epik Castle in that room and can probably achieve around 120dB now, but it's a whole different animal than the 20-39 PCi.

At any rate congrats on your sub. I agree with you 100% about SVS's service and products being top notch. Just curious to know how you got those ridiculously high output measurements.

I am going to have to withdraw myself from this thread... wife told me moments before the PC12-Plus was about to ship to get the Ultra... boxed version. I am still in shock... I guess I have no concerns about output for my room now :D

Congrats bro, if I were stateside, that's what I would be getting. Top of the of the line!

I am going to have to withdraw myself from this thread... wife told me moments before the PC12-Plus was about to ship to get the Ultra... boxed version. I am still in shock... I guess I have no concerns about output for my room now :DNow tell the truth. She just gave in because she couldn't take you whining, crying, throwing a temper tantrum, and stomping your feet. :)

Hmmm, I will have to try that myself. Did you threaten to hold your breath until you turned blue, or would that be over the top.;)

I am going to have to withdraw myself from this thread... wife told me moments before the PC12-Plus was about to ship to get the Ultra... boxed version. I am still in shock... I guess I have no concerns about output for my room now :D

Should be a slight improvement over the A2-300 ;).

What an amazing wife you have. I'm hoping to find a woman like that in the next few years :). Enjoy the Ultra - it's quite a sub!

She wanted me to be happy after the A2-300 debacle. That was my first experience buying ID, hopefully the Ultra makes that a distant memory. I am so freaking excited, SVS's website says 150 lbs lol. I am so happy right now :D:D:D

Thanks for all the feedback, makes me feel a little more comfortable with my choice. Now the waiting game... I watched the new mummy flick this last weekend, I could only wonder what the PC12-Plus would sound like as I listened to my baby Polk 8" distort to the point where I had to turn it down.

I exchanged e-mails with Ed from SVS for almost a week, I explained the room I was working with along with how poorly the A2-300 performed. He said the minimum he would recommend is the PB-12 NSD. A wise poster or two told me buy more than you will need, so since the PB-12 was the min, I figured I would step up and blow the budget on the PC-12 Plus. That and there was no way I could afford the Ultra. Ed warned me that the -11 to -6 under reference I listen too might be pushing the PC12-Plus to it's limit, but a properly configured setup would not need that kind of volume. I have tiny Polks that take some volume for you to really hear the sound. I guess I could run the Polks hot and the sub a little lower. Not sure, a lot of this stuff is still new to me. Guess that is what these forums are for :)

Did he really say that? I routinely listen to my movies around -5 to -7 under reference. I thought these subs were supposed to be invincible ;). I never had any problems with the mighty mouse SB-12Plus. Now, I just got an Ultra. I do not want to hear anyone say listening at -5 is going to be "pushing" my sub.

Did he really say that? I routinely listen to my movies around -5 to -7 under reference. I thought these subs were supposed to be invincible ;). I never had any problems with the mighty mouse SB-12Plus. Now, I just got an Ultra. I do not want to hear anyone say listening at -5 is going to be "pushing" my sub.

That's with the Plus. I'm sure Ed is also taking into effect the size of the poster's room, which may (or may not) be a good deal larger than yours. Considering your nearfield placement, you should have no problem getting near reference with your Ultra on all but the most bass-heavy soundtracks.

That's correct, Ed was referring to the Plus. His statement stemmed from the fact that my HT is in a 2nd story loft, open to the staircase, which is next to another smaller loft, all of which overlook the 1st floor... I know, it's less than ideal, but it's right outside of the bedrooms and has a wet bar so it makes for a nice area to unwind and go to bed after watching a movie, or some TV. As mentioned, I am sure the Plus would have been enough, but now with the Ultra, I shouldn't have any worries.

That's with the Plus. I'm sure Ed is also taking into effect the size of the poster's room, which may (or may not) be a good deal larger than yours. Considering your nearfield placement, you should have no problem getting near reference with your Ultra on all but the most bass-heavy soundtracks.

She wanted me to be happy after the A2-300 debacle. That was my first experience buying ID, hopefully the Ultra makes that a distant memory. I am so freaking excited, SVS's website says 150 lbs lol. I am so happy right now :D:D:D

But be prepared when she comes home with all the sparkles :eek: Well worth it imo nothing worst than spending alot of money and it's not quite enough. Now you have no/less worries.:)

It's hard to put a price on peace of mine, the Plus is one hell of a sub, I think we would have been quite happy with it, as many people are in this thread are. But she, more than I, did not want to leave anything up to chance, so we all but eliminated any doubt whether or not this will be enough sub. The only thing that kind of sucks is that we had a 2k budget to upgrade the HT speakers, now I have to wait until tax time to upgrade the mains... Ascend Sierra-1's anyone?

But be prepared when she comes home with all the sparkles :eek: Well worth it imo nothing worst than spending alot of money and it's not quite enough. Now you have no/less worries.:)

LOL, She is just as excited as I am, she said she feels like she is getting an x-mas present too.

Too funny Rob! She's a keeper! Sounds like my wife, when my first 55" RPTV died and Best Buy covered it, (one week before 4yr ext warranty expired) I had her with me looking at the JVC LCoS sets and I was pretty set on the 56" model, but showed her the 61".....after a few minutes she says to me..... "Size Matters". :D

Has anyone experimented with plugging 1 or 2 ports and adjusting the subsonic filter?

Here is some info regarding THD and SPL from 2004 of the SVS PB-12 Ultra. I thought this would give a general idea of the response of PC-12 Plus to port plugging. No equipment here for measuring, just my ears.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_3/svs-pb2-ultra-subwoofer-9-2004.html

Last night we watch U 571 for the LFE of the depth charges. It was amazing. I plan on trying it with port plugging when I'm home alone.

Never tried yet, let us know how it goes.

I finally watched Hulk on Blu Ray, had it for ever but never had the time to watch it I was seriously blown away on the LFE and sound quality. I honestly felt it was better in the audio department then Ironman.

Yeah, setup up everything right, do a perfect Audyssey calibration and spl calibration, and the movie simply rocks!

Is there anyone capable of telling me how this sub is on music vs the pc-ultra? I heard someone on the norwegian avforum that was very pleased with the "slam" it had on music.

And that is not something the pc-ultra has have i read, will that mean that the pc12-plus will be a better allround-sub than the bigger brother pc-ultra?

sorry if this has been mentioned before... how does this sub compare to the twin brother of the PB12-Plus boxed version?

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And that is not something the pc-ultra has have i read, will that mean that the pc12-plus will be a better allround-sub than the bigger brother pc-ultra?
No. I means that for the guy in Norway, that is how the PC12-Plus sounded to him in his room, without also hearing a similarly calibrated PC Ultra in the same room.


Tim

We specifically designed the new 12.4 Plus woofer to have considerably more slam/impact capability in the mid/upper bass ranges than its 12.3 predecessor. As woofer designer Stephen Ponte would say, "the 12.4 really rips". :)

The new Plus products are also far more resistant to abusive/overdrive conditions -a combination of the 12.4 woofer design, and additional amp tweaks. We beat the tar out of the prototypes during their development and were very happy with the end result - these are very well behaved subwoofers at their limits.

We specifically designed the new 12.4 Plus woofer to have considerably more slam/impact capability in the mid/upper bass ranges than its 12.3 predecessor. As woofer designer Stephen Ponte would say, "the 12.4 really rips". :)

The new Plus products are also far more resistant to abusive/overdrive conditions -a combination of the 12.4 woofer design, and additional amp tweaks. We beat the tar out of the prototypes during their development and were very happy with the end result - these are very well behaved subwoofers at their limits.

Hi Ed, this question is for you: i want a sub that goes extremely deep for movies but also have a lot of "slam"/"punch" for music. I have calculated that a sub in my livingroom have to move exactly 2000 cubiq feet of air.

Which will then be the best, pc12-plus or pc-ultra?

Hopefully Ed will re-appear to answer your question, but in my opinion it is likely that anything the PC12-Plus can do, the PC13 will do better or if not better, as well but at greater output. The PC12 would probably be enough for you, but the PC13 will give you more added headroom. Headroom is always your friend.

but in my opinion it is likely that anything the PC12-Plus can do, the PC13 will do better or if not better, as well but at greater output. The PC12 would probably be enough for you, but the PC13 will give you more added headroom. Headroom is always your friend.

Yes i know that the pc-ultra will maybe give me some more spl, but i was thinking about buying two tube subs anyway. One tube sub now and one more when i get the vacation payment in june.

I was sort of hoping that two pc12-plus subs would be enough because the amount of cash i save on buying two pc12-plus subs would be enough to buy me a Klipsch RC-64 center speaker. I have the Klipsch RF-63's now :cool:

Hi Ed, this question is for you: i want a sub that goes extremely deep for movies but also have a lot of "slam"/"punch" for music. I have calculated that a sub in my livingroom have to move exactly 2000 cubiq feet of air.

Which will then be the best, pc12-plus or pc-ultra?

mojomike pretty much nailed it - the PC13-Ultra is naturally a better subwoofer than the PC12-Plus, and its price reflects that.

Now dual PC12-Plus vs. a single PC13-Ultra and it's a much tougher decision. Dual PC12-Plus would play louder and have more headroom than a single Ultra, and would also provide the benefit of overlapping modal responses, which can result in a smoother FR at the listening positions.

Either choice would be very impressive in a 2000 ft^3 room.

Now dual PC12-Plus vs. a single PC13-Ultra and it's a much tougher decision. Dual PC12-Plus would play louder and have more headroom than a single Ultra, and would also provide the benefit of overlapping modal responses, which can result in a smoother FR at the listening positions.

Either choice would be very impressive in a 2000 ft^3 room.

So you dont think that dual pc-ultra's would be overkill in my livingroom? :p

So you dont think that dual pc-ultra's would be overkill in my livingroom? :p

I've got a single PB13 in a similar room. It's plenty of sub. 2 wouldn't be overkill except for footprint. I just don't have the space available. That said, if you get one (cylinder), I doubt you'll feel the need for 2...maybe the want...but not the need.

Naah, i want dual subs anyway. It was recommended at my norwegian forum for better dispersion of the bass frequensies in my room.

I think i may go for the pc12-plus'es since my Cerwin Vega clsc-15s sub already put the hole room in motion and shakes the neigbours, literally speaking! And people say that is a crappy sub in comparison! :rolleyes:

I have even heard of guys having dual PC 25-31's that shook the hole house! So i (want to) believe i am gonna be surprised of any svs sub, especially since i have never heard them before...

any discounts for members on this forum =)?

Looks like my PC12-Plus will be here Monday. Can't wait!

John

Curious here ....... how many of you that have SVS cylinder subwoofers are plugging one port and using the 16Hz filter? I just received my PC12-Plus and got it hooked up and situated. Decided to plug one port right from the start. Haven't had the time tonight to calibrate it with the Rat Shack meter and test tones...... will start that tomorrow. Prior to this, I didn't have a dedicated sub, but was running my mains full range (transmission line sats and subs). Frequency response was pretty flat into the upper 20's, but I was missing that "oomph", gut wrenching lower end on movies, hence the SVS. I have now set all speakers to small on the Anthem pre/pro and the crossover to 60HZ. With a 12db per octave rolloff, the mains will be down 6db at 45Hz and 12 db at 30Hz, still pretty strong. I decided to go for the extra bottom and plug one port, thinking the blend with the mains will be good.

What has been the experience of others here. On CDs there is really nothing down there that the sub would be missing unpluged and filtered at 20Hz. I want to get a good blend for music as well, looking for SQ. The SVS is in the right corner directly behind the right mains (see attached pic). Thanks for any comments and experiences.

John

To keep from getting too accustomed to my sub, I change the tunning every once in a while. But one port plugged is where I normally have it set. Add a plug to get a little extra depth for a while, then remove all plugs to get a little extra volume. It's easy enough to do.

What has been the experience of others here. On CDs there is really nothing down there that the sub would be missing unpluged and filtered at 20Hz. I want to get a good blend for music as well, looking for SQ. The SVS is in the right corner directly behind the right mains (see attached pic). Thanks for any comments and experiences.


When I had my dual PB12-Plus's (previous model) I played around with the tuning ports and found that I preferred the 16 Hz mode. It had a smoother FR for some reason and I actually got a little more slam out of them in the upper freq's as well. The max SPL lost wasn't as big a concern as I don't normally listen at reference levels. They seemed to blend with my mains that I was running as small with a crossover at 80 Hz better at the 16Hz setting as well.

When I had my dual PB12-Plus's (previous model) I played around with the tuning ports and found that I preferred the 16 Hz mode. It had a smoother FR for some reason and I actually got a little more slam out of them in the upper freq's as well. The max SPL lost wasn't as big a concern as I don't normally listen at reference levels. They seemed to blend with my mains that I was running as small with a crossover at 80 Hz better at the 16Hz setting as well.

Thanks. I think it will blend better as well. I am also not worried about a little less SPL, with 525 watts I can compensate for the slight drop if I need to.

John

Curious here ....... how many of you that have SVS cylinder subwoofers are plugging one port and using the 16Hz filter? I just received my PC12-Plus and got it hooked up and situated. Decided to plug one port right from the start. Haven't had the time tonight to calibrate it with the Rat Shack meter and test tones...... will start that tomorrow. Prior to this, I didn't have a dedicated sub, but was running my mains full range (transmission line sats and subs). Frequency response was pretty flat into the upper 20's, but I was missing that "oomph", gut wrenching lower end on movies, hence the SVS. I have now set all speakers to small on the Anthem pre/pro and the crossover to 60HZ. With a 12db per octave rolloff, the mains will be down 6db at 45Hz and 12 db at 30Hz, still pretty strong. I decided to go for the extra bottom and plug one port, thinking the blend with the mains will be good.

What has been the experience of others here. On CDs there is really nothing down there that the sub would be missing unpluged and filtered at 20Hz. I want to get a good blend for music as well, looking for SQ. The SVS is in the right corner directly behind the right mains (see attached pic). Thanks for any comments and experiences.

John

I finally got around to playing with the port plugs. My testing equipment consisted of only my ears. The testing was done while watching the same scene of U-571 Blu ray. One of the many depth charge dropping scenes. The first time I watch the movie a few weeks ago I was impressed with the LFE of some of those scenes. I remember feeling the depth charges in my chest and feeling the vibrations in the chair I was sitting in.

I picked a particular scene and played it in full, first with the stock settings, all ports opened and second, plugging one port and resetting the subsonic filter to 16 Hz. I was not sure what to expect and I was surprised. All I really noticed was a significant drop in output. I did not notice any additional LFEs. Maybe there just wasn't any to be had, that I don't know. I tried to compensate for the loss of output but I was never able to make myself happy.

So, I'm back at the stock settings and am very happy with them. Maybe I'll try it again with The Incredible Hulk or Ironman when I watch them again.

Curious Ed..... which sub has better upper bass response the Ultra13 or the new Plus12....

I have realized in my quest for the ultimate subwoofer that strong upper bass response is one of the most important parts of a perfect performing sub for anyone to blend with the mains....

I hope that is a very important part of your up and coming designs for your new sealed subs coming out.... :)

Patrick

I finally got around to playing with the port plugs. My testing equipment consisted of only my ears. The testing was done while watching the same scene of U-571 Blu ray. One of the many depth charge dropping scenes. The first time I watch the movie a few weeks ago I was impressed with the LFE of some of those scenes. I remember feeling the depth charges in my chest and feeling the vibrations in the chair I was sitting in.

I picked a particular scene and played it in full, first with the stock settings, all ports opened and second, plugging one port and resetting the subsonic filter to 16 Hz. I was not sure what to expect and I was surprised. All I really noticed was a significant drop in output. I did not notice any additional LFEs. Maybe there just wasn't any to be had, that I don't know. I tried to compensate for the loss of output but I was never able to make myself happy.

So, I'm back at the stock settings and am very happy with them. Maybe I'll try it again with The Incredible Hulk or Ironman when I watch them again.

Interesting, so you couldn't compensate and increase the output to match the 20Hz unplugged setting? According to their graphs, the 16Hz setting is only down a few db starting about 40Hz, and the extension reaches deeper. I will have to play with this some. I know last night when I first set it up, I rattled some parts of my house with the bottom end on a few CDs I have, and that is with one plug/16Hz.

John

Well, my new PC12 plus arrived yesterday (a day early as well). Within a 45 minute time span, I had the plus running and my PC12 NSD in its box ready to go back. I was really impressed with NSD(first real sub). but I lingered on this site too long and wanted too know what it would be like if?? And yes there is a defenite difference in the two IMO. Music is outstanding, and the Hulk test-couldn't really tell, it still rocked my house!!!!! Nothing but good things to say about SVS, can't forget to thank the forum for my new addiction. Eric:D

Well, my new PC12 plus arrived yesterday (a day early as well). Within a 45 minute time span, I had the plus running and my PC12 NSD in its box ready to go back. I was really impressed with NSD(first real sub). but I lingered on this site too long and wanted too know what it would be like if?? And yes there is a defenite difference in the two IMO. Music is outstanding, and the Hulk test-couldn't really tell, it still rocked my house!!!!! Nothing but good things to say about SVS, can't forget to thank the forum for my new addiction. Eric:D

Congrats. It appears that for music you noticed the difference but not for the Hulk movie test. Did you try other movies? I am on the fence on getting a single PC12-Plus or dual PC12-NSD; the sub will mainly (99%) be used for movies.

robchow-I watched the Dark knight today, and I'm no expert but the plus does put out more than the NSD. As for duals, I have no experience. But I did have a thought today about what two pluses would sound like? But the plus really is a great sub. Eric

robchow-I watched the Dark knight today, and I'm no expert but the plus does put out more than the NSD. As for duals, I have no experience. But I did have a thought today about what two pluses would sound like? But the plus really is a great sub. Eric

After speaking to the SVS customer service (they are top notch in this department by the way), it was suggested that a dual Plus will work with my room layout. They did recommend to go with a single Plus first and if needed be, get the dual later.

This thread has gond dead...Why...I'm about to dual pc12-plus's and would still like to hear other owners comments and suggestions. Thanks

This thread has gond dead...Why...I'm about to dual pc12-plus's and would still like to hear other owners comments and suggestions. Thanks

Cool, look forward to your report once you have them installed and dialed in. I can imagine two will be very powerful, unless you have a massive space. I have a large great room that opens to the kitchen, and my single PC12-plus shakes the house :)

John

John, you bring up an interesting point about size of room and maybe to much sub. I have a dedicated home theater with one opening at the back that leads to the larger part of the basement. I'm hoping my dual pluses won't be too much. :) Can't wait...

John, you bring up an interesting point about size of room and maybe to much sub. I have a dedicated home theater with one opening at the back that leads to the larger part of the basement. I'm hoping my dual pluses won't be too much. :) Can't wait...

Well more is always better than less :) I have full range mains that are transmission line sat/subs, two separate cabinets. They are flat down to the upper 20's. I have the system crossed over at 60HZ at the pre amp, so I am down 6db at 45 HZ (12 db per octave slope). I am getting some good reinforcement from the mains as well. They say it is always easier to dial in a good bass response and minimize room modes with two subs versus one. You might be in overkill mode, but I predict it is gonna sound phenominal!

John

I've had my PC-12 Plus for a couple of months now and it continues to impress. I just tried The Haunting (1999) in DTS-ES on DVD last night and I had to turn the volume down after a while. The sheer power of the bass was becoming painful to my ears. The house was literally shaking. You could hear doors and windows rattling. I could feel it in my clothes, below my feet and most importantly in my chest. There's bass on this soundtrack that I've never heard or felt before with my older subs and it just filled the room. The subwoofer took the beating even at full reference volume. I would definitelly recommend one (or two) to anyone. I'm still recovering. War of The Worlds (2005) is another great bass movie. I love this sub. Thanks SVS!

HI everyone...I'm about to join the owners of the PC12-plus subwoofer but am conflicted if I should buy one or two. I think two will work great but I don't want it to over power my dedicated room. Any thoughts? SVS and I have emailed each other a few times and they have been great. They are not telling me I need two but it would help. My room is around 2900 Cubic feet with one opeing to the rear that goes into the basement. Each sub will sit on either side of my 100" screen. Thanks...

HI everyone...I'm about to join the owners of the PC12-plus subwoofer but am conflicted if I should buy one or two. I think two will work great but I don't want it to over power my dedicated room. Any thoughts? SVS and I have emailed each other a few times and they have been great. They are not telling me I need two but it would help. My room is around 2900 Cubic feet with one opeing to the rear that goes into the basement. Each sub will sit on either side of my 100" screen. Thanks...

I was in the same boat as you on whether to get one or two subs; I am still debating it. Due to my work situation, purchasing is put on hold so I have not thought about it. The good folks at SVS said that I could get one PC13-Ultra for my room size and that dual PC12-Plus would work as well. Did they recommend the PC13-Ultra for you? I would like two PC13, but that is a bit out of my price range.

They did not try to upsale me...I think they knew I was trying to buy the PC12-Plus and they focused on that aspect. I really want two... I agree with you that two of the Ultra's are out of my price range as well.

My second PC12 plus arrives tommorrow. like a kid at christmas:D

Can hardly wait!!

That is great Oldbugr...How do you have yours placed? How was the first one? Why two? Thanks

m1fuller68, Well my room is on the small size, 15' deep X 12.5' wide. I only have two seats in my little theatre. I have the one behind one of the recliners, (in the corner)and I plan on putting the other one in the other rear corner. In all honestly, the one is more than OK. I can feel the bass now, There is no compairing my old yamaha sub, with the SVS. I just have lingered too long on this sight and have convinced myself that I need two? (want not need) Anyway, I just figured that since I have replaced my speakers, I might as well go all out. (IMO). I plan on setting the two up with some advice I got on the sight (with a RS SPL meter), but think I'll research some sort of EQ? When will it end?? Eric

Well, I'm an owner now...Hopefully they will be here by Wednesday. Can't wait...Thanks

M1

The subs arrived today and they are much larger than I anticapted. I'm not sure what I thought when it said 16" diameter but anyhow they are here and will probably set them up tonight. I will post pictures and my thoughts this weekend.

Thanks,

m1fuller68, I think your going too enjoy the duals. Last night I was running the setup for the 8033 EQ, and the first test tone that the 8033 sent out scared the s--t out of me.:eek: Never have my duals vibrated the walls and my back window. I just can't rant enough about my SVS experience. Eric

Just played the skoodush scene in Kung fu panda and it was awesome..:) You could feel the bass just roll over you from 10' away. My daughter kept asking to play it over and over. This will be a fun weekend.

I just ordered my 2nd SVS tonight. I have a PC-Ultra I bought 4 years ago and tonight I ordered the PC12-Plus. Can't wait.

Any tips on EQ or setup? All I've done in the past is the DVE or Avia DVD's. Thanks.

I just ordered my 2nd SVS tonight. I have a PC-Ultra I bought 4 years ago and tonight I ordered the PC12-Plus. Can't wait.

Any tips on EQ or setup? All I've done in the past is the DVE or Avia DVD's. Thanks.

So far all I've done is allow the Pioneer Elite 94 MCACC adjust the settings. I will do more this weekend. Congrats on your purchase

m1fuller68,

was ready to order one ultra , and then another one later , but after reading these post and talking to svs they did say i would get more headroom with 2 pluses. 3900cf room with open hallway to upstairs. would love to here thoughs on the sound and ease of set up with 2 of them . was planing on putting them in the front corners.

thanks

m1fuller68,

was ready to order one ultra , and then another one later , but after reading these post and talking to svs they did say i would get more headroom with 2 pluses. 3900cf room with open hallway to upstairs. would love to here thoughs on the sound and ease of set up with 2 of them . was planing on putting them in the front corners.

thanks

Well, hopefully the experts will chime in, but in the mean time I'll give you my opinion. I'm running duals, and got the setup help from this site. It's not hard at all to setup the duals, do a search on dual sub setup (I think the one I'm referring too is dual subs of different sizes). The conversation goes into duals of the same size. My room is small compaired to most, but the sound in awesome, SVS is the best too work with, and there products are second to none. My music has never sounded so good, I've been told by some of my friends that movies are as good as the theatres:eek: I don't know too much about size requirements, but SVS will steer you in the right direction, and I never once felt they were just out too make a sale. Eric

Well, hopefully the experts will chime in, but in the mean time I'll give you my opinion. I'm running duals, and got the setup help from this site. It's not hard at all to setup the duals, do a search on dual sub setup (I think the one I'm referring too is dual subs of different sizes). The conversation goes into duals of the same size. My room is small compaired to most, but the sound in awesome, SVS is the best too work with, and there products are second to none. My music has never sounded so good, I've been told by some of my friends that movies are as good as the theatres:eek: I don't know too much about size requirements, but SVS will steer you in the right direction, and I never once felt they were just out too make a sale. Eric

Thanks for the reply

I did not know when I wanted to upgrade that there was so much out there, (ID) avs has opened my eyes. I will place an order for the 2 pluses this week . can't wait .

I am by no means and expert, even though I enjoy my home theater. That being said, I think I've got mine dialed well enough, right now. I have my PC12-plus's located on either side of my 100" screen. I let the Pioneer receiver to the setup and have tweek it from their. I have about 3000 cu ft with one opening at the back that leads to the basement. I don't think you need anymore bass than what I'm getting now. Back to the basement...:)

I am by no means and expert, even though I enjoy my home theater. That being said, I think I've got mine dialed well enough, right now. I have my PC12-plus's located on either side of my 100" screen. I let the Pioneer receiver to the setup and have tweek it from their. I have about 3000 cu ft with one opening at the back that leads to the basement. I don't think you need anymore bass than what I'm getting now. Back to the basement...:)

I would like two, but my living room set-up is more conducive to one. My mains are transmission line sats and subs. I cross over at 60 HZ in the pre pro. Subsequently, the mains are only down about 6db at 45 hz and 12 db at 30hz. The main room is about 3800 cu ft, but opens into the kitchen, very open and nice floor plan. If you include the kitchen area, it jumps to 5800 cu ft. When I set up the PC12-plus, I used the Rat Shack meter and a stereophile test disc that does frequency sweeps. Liking a little more bass, but still natural and blended, the frequency response from about 20 to 80 hz is up about 4-6 db, 100hz up about 2db, still sounds very natural with music or movies, and things are pretty flat otherwise...... spent a lot of time on the room, minimizing early reflections, sound panels on the front wall, a wall hanging decorative carpet strategically placed, that those not into audio think is just for decoration.

After dialing in the sub to the aforementioned levels, I found the volume on the PC12 was only turned up about 40%, so with that much headroom left, not sure a second one is needed. Things like the cannon shots in Master and Commander totally shake and vibrate the room.... you can feel your chair shake, and the sub doesn't seem to be straining. They make a great product!

John

Here are some pictures of my setup with the new PC12-Plus. It sounds absolutely fantastic. It digs much deeper than my previous subwoofer and I'm hearing bass now that I never heard before on movies. Iron Man and Cloverfield are simply insane. Definitelly my big upgrade for the year. My equipment list is listed below:

TV: Mitsubishi WD-73733 73-Inch Widescreen 1080p HDTV
Receiver: Denon AVR-2805 DD-EX/DTS-ES 7.1
DVD Player: Denon DVD-2200
HD DVD Player: Toshiba HD-A35, Toshiba HD-A1
Blu-Ray Player: Panasonic DMP-BD55
Speakers: Klipsch Reference Series (RF-25 Mains, RC-35 Center, RS-25 Surrounds)
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-Plus
Power Conditioner: Monster PowerCenter HTS2600
5.1 Analog Switcher: Zektor HDS4.1

What do you use to mount your centre channel above your TV like that?

:o Okay, here we go. I have not bought a receiver yet (all I have is my TV - so far) but wanted to make my first dedicated (audio) purchase, a sub-woofer. Seeing as the sub hooks up (or ONE of the ways to hook it up) via coax, and seeing as my TV has a dedicated sub out port, I have decided to just go ahead and get the PC 12 Plus first, just to tide me over until I can get the receiver and 5 speakers (which I'm still researching). I figure, I can at least get some use (albiet MINOR) out of the sub to enjoy my games, music and movies (in the meantime, in between time). Does anyone think this sub will still put out a decent overall output without a receiver/amp hooked up to it first. Of course, I know I will eventually need the receiver/amp to really get the full use out of it but this is just a temp situation and I'm buying a piece at a time. I will prob be buying the receiver/amp next. Just not sure which one as of yet. So, for now, I will be hooking it up directly to my Olevia 747i which, like I said, has it's own dedicated sub-woofer out. Any and all feedback will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. :confused:

Depends on what kind of voltage you are getting through that TV on the sub out. It could work but f I have ever heard of a mismatch between subs and speakers this would be it. I think in this very rare case, a sub may be more detrimental to the sound of the system than beneficial as level matching those sources is going to be very hard (one has a great deal of headroom, the other almost none).

Thanks Snowmanick. The speakers on the 747i do a decent job for TV speakers but I do agree with you about the mismatch. It's a good thing I don't listen to anything turned up too much (live in an apartment with neighbors above and below me).:) Well, after doing most of my receiver research (not finished yet), I'm thinking of going the Integra DTR 7.8 route (so far) as a good/decent mid range receiver. Thanks for the feedback on hooking up my TV to the SVS PC12-Plus. (I'll let you know how it sounds once I've ordered the sub and tried it out) Anyone else have any thoughts on how they think it will sound? Any feedback is appreciated. :)

Hi, all: I finally got my dual PC-12 Pluses set up this weekend, so I thought I'd chime in.

I'm not a professional reviewer and have no financial ties to SVS. I just been into Home Theater for the last 13 years or so, and finally got a finished basement to play in. :)

I am running the subs off the sub output of a Yamaha RX-Z7, which is powering the rest of the speakers (Def Tech Mythos Ones (L/R); Mythos Eights (C, Rear Surrounds); and UIW RSSII (Side Surrounds). The Y splitter for the subs and all of the interconnects are from Blue Jeans Cable.

The PC-12 Pluses are along the front wall of the room. Part of the reason I chose the dual subs was to give me the flexibility of sub placement with the Mythos Ones. I had considered the Def Tech ST or STS, but having separate subs with more powerful amps appealed to me in terms of increased headroom and the fact that optimal sub placement doesn't necessarily correspond to optimal mains placement.

Anyway, I followed SVS's protocol for first balancing the levels of dual subs (dual sub setup routine). I received this directly from SVS customer service. I'll summarize it briefly (please email SVS for the full deal):

Basically, after setting up your other speakers and crossovers, you set both subs to phase 0, and the gains at less than 25%. Turn only one on and play a test tone (with the AVR master volume at 0 and the subwoofer output level at +1).

Put your trusty RS SPL meter at seated ear level at your primary listening position (70, C weighted, Slow, natch :) ) and adjust the single sub's gain to average around 73db. Then turn off the first sub and turn on the second sub and do the same thing.

Finally, turn on both subs and adjust the phase control of the Closest speaker to get at least a 6 db boost on the meter, i.e. around 79 db (you may have to shift to 80, C weighted, Slow to read this).

Then adjust your AVR's subwoofer output level to get to the SPL you wish the suboofers to be at (75db for purists, 78db or so for the rest of us :) )

After this, then run your AVR's automatic setup mode (or not) as you please.
Anyhow, once I got things calibrated, I started with music (both FM HD and DVD-A's and SACD's). No plugs used. The subs really impressed me how well they blended in with the Mythos speakers. They gave significant weight without being one note boomers. The subs played high enough that the transition between the Mythos and the subs, without overly reinforcing the mid bass. With my crossover at 80 Hz, I could not localize the subs at my listening position (about 10.5 feet from each sub).

Better yet, these subs are rapid with percussion and low bass. Not bloated in any way. "Donna Lee", the first track of Jaco Pastorius' self-titled debut album (http://www.amazon.com/Jaco-Pastorius/dp/B00004VWA7), is extraordinarily active in the mid to low bass, and a great test of a system's capabilities. On this cut, the subs kept up easily--crisp, yet with authority.

In summary-- the music that I like (jazz, classic rock, and classical) sounds great.

I moved on to movies. First up was the first sequence I've played in every home theater I've ever had for the last 13 years--Top Gun (Yeah, I know it's corny, but that opening sequence is still cool after all these years).

I was running the AVR at about -10db to -9.5 db (louder than I would normally watch a movie) using the DTS MA soundtrack on the blue ray. The way the subs snapped out the rapid drumming when the Paramount logo's stars pour on the screen let me know immediately, I was gonna like this. The tolling "bells" when the Title hits the screen brought a smile to my face. But when the first F14 took off, I could feel the engines roar in my theater chair--amazing! When the first MIG blew up in the last reel, I actually jumped.

Next up: Kung Fu Panda BD. Although it's sold as a kids film, I think it's absolutely hilarious, and a great test BD for the bass in a system. Key moments for me were the two "Wushi Finger Hold Technique" scenes--especially the last one--it's a huge low tone that the subs played with authority. Definately felt that one, and far superior to the sound I heard when I saw the film in a commercial theater.

I followed this with The Dark Knight--oddly enough, the best bass on the blu-ray was NOT the hospital explosion scene--rather, the police paddy wagon underground chase give the subs a brutal workout (as well as your surround capabilities when the Joker shoots the paddy wagon--you can hear the rounds go around you in a full circle). The PC-12 Pluses were able to cleanly play the various levels and qualities of bass in the scene with ease.

The best part was this: after the calibration routine above, all of the great sound was achieved with the gain control of one sub at less than 25% (corner loaded), and the second sub at the 3rd mark (just over 25%). (AVR level was only at 0 db). All this in a 12 x 19 x 10 room with one side of the room completely open to a large area.

Sorry to go on so long, but I have been more than pleased and satisfied with my subs both in their performance and in the unsurpassed customer support from SVS (even after the sale). If you are hesitating at all about picking up a pair of these--I'd urge you to take the plunge--I predict you won't be sorry at all! :D

Great writeup mvp2005fan. SVS's one-two punch of performance and support makes them a great company to do business with. Glad you're enjoying the subs so much.

Now, plug a port in each sub, adjust the subsonic filter accordingly, and try watching The Incredible Hulk DTS-HD Master Audio and let us know what you think of that monster soundtrack :D.

Great writeup mvp2005fan. SVS's one-two punch of performance and support makes them a great company to do business with. Glad you're enjoying the subs so much.

Now, plug a port in each sub, adjust the subsonic filter accordingly, and try watching The Incredible Hulk DTS-HD Master Audio and let us know what you think of that monster soundtrack :D.

Thanks for the kind words, lalakersfan34.

I'll give it a try when I get back in town--what's the best way to get the grills off the subwoofers without damaging them?

:mad: I ordered the PC-12PLUS from SVS to be delivered on the 20th of March. It is now April 1st and so far, no Subwoofer. United Package Smashers bulloxed up the delivery and I still remain Sub-less.

What can brown do for you? Piss me the #$%^ off!! :mad:

Thanks Brown!!! (for nothing) :mad:

:mad: I ordered the PC-12PLUS from SVS to be delivered on the 20th of March. It is now April 1st and so far, no Subwoofer. United Package Smashers bulloxed up the delivery and I still remain Sub-less.

What can brown do for you? Piss me the #$%^ off!! :mad:

Thanks Brown!!! (for nothing) :mad:

That's brutal--did they lose the package somehow?

That's brutal--did they lose the package somehow?

They have not lost the package. It's well within their possession. They just happen to be a bunch of lazy monkeys that could care LESS if "ground" packages get delivered or not.
Fortunately for me, I choose to do business with an American, English speaking company that actually puts the customer first. Erik, from SVS has been more than obliging and reassuring me that I would not have to pay for shipping on this order and another shipment that he sent me 2nd Day Air with Saturday delivery. That 2nd shipment of 9 boxes SHOULD be delivered today. In theory at least. As of this writing, Saturday April 4th, 8:33AM, I haven't received anything but today is the day that they are all due. *crosses fingers* That first delivery of the PC12-PLUS, I told them to just send it back. I will never get it. They keep attempting to deliver it while I am not home. I even took a day off of work to get this, knowing that there is no one else available to sign and receive it. (AND since I am the recipient)

You realize you CAN pick it up at the distribution center after the first attempted pickup, right?

That's been a lifesaver for me, since they deliver ground at any one of 4 separate timeframes to my house...

You realize you CAN pick it up at the distribution center after the first attempted pickup, right?

That's been a lifesaver for me, since they deliver ground at any one of 4 separate timeframes to my house...

Yeah, but I PAID to have it delivered it on a timely basis and they (UPS) did not make that delivery commitment date. Even if I had a vehicle big enough to pick it up in, I would not risk damaging myself and it.

Yeah, but I PAID to have it delivered it on a timely basis and they (UPS) did not make that delivery commitment date. Even if I had a vehicle big enough to pick it up in, I would not risk damaging myself and it.Not sure UPS ground has a guaranteed delivery. Just an expectation.

You say they have tried to deliver, but you can't be home for it. You don't have a neighbor that can sign for it? UPS is not going to accommodate your schedule. SVS is picking up the tab and even paying for a shipment that is not affected by this one. Saved you over $100, what's the problem?

Did your other packages get delivered on Saturday?

Not sure UPS ground has a guaranteed delivery. Just an expectation.

You say they have tried to deliver, but you can't be home for it. You don't have a neighbor that can sign for it? UPS is not going to accommodate your schedule. SVS is picking up the tab and even paying for a shipment that is not affected by this one. Saved you over $100, what's the problem?

Did your other packages get delivered on Saturday?

Not a "guaranteed delivery" per se, but it is called a "commitment time" that they are supposed to meet, or the delivery is on them.
I don't trust anyone to sign for this but me. ESPECIALLY not any neighbors. :eek: (I live in NY dude)
Yeah, they made other attempts to deliver it at times when I wasn't home. (I live alone so if I can't be available to sign for it, I trust NO ONE ELSE to sign for it) . I took a day off from work initially while tracking it diligently via online & via the UPS 800 #. SVS didn't really pick up the tab. UPS has to refund them also, for BOTH shipments. All 9 packages that I was expecting from SVS got delivered together. Saved me over a FEW hundred dollars to get 9 packages weighing almost 400lbs. total delivered 2nd day air with Saturday delivery. No problem really, except UPS that delivers to my area are a bunch of lazy monkeys, and so long as I don't have to pay for UPS's mistakes, I'm good. :cool:

So, does anyone else have a comment on this sub?

So, does anyone else have a comment on this sub?

I do. This sub is BONKERS!! :eek: I just have mine connected to my sub-out from my TV set and even though there is a total mismatch in decibels, friends and neighbors come by and ask if I'm trying to install a REAL movie theater sound system. I must say, it's DEFINITELY the one of the best $1000 I have ever spent. I have not tried tuning the ports (yet :D) to get the bass lower only because I don't want to sacrifice decibels. Once I get my AV receiver and the speakers installed, it's over. I'm trying to be the wind that shakes the barley. I try to listen to more content with more LOWER bass but since I don't have everything I need hooked up yet to get the FULL appreciation out of it, I'm just collecting what I need for now.

So, does anyone else have a comment on this sub?

Had it for a while now and am still head over heals in love with it. Completely overpowered for my condo and my neighbors downstairs but it's incredible. Can't wait until I move so I can upgrade to a second one or maybe a pair of ultras.

So, does anyone else have a comment on this sub?

Unbelievable for the price. It totally handles everything I throw at it with ease. The kind of powerful clean output you get is really eye opening. Very satisfied with my sub to say the least.

Glad to see that ya'll are enjoying your subs!

Question: Is there any easy, trauma-free way to remove the grilles so I can play with port plugs?

While we're on the topic--I've brainwashed my entire family not to put anything on top of any speaker or piece of AV equipment anytime/anywhere.
But I was wondering if anyone has had a mishap with these upfacing ports.

(Years ago, I almost had a stroke when a friend just plopped a wet glass on top of a sub--that was the last time she came over :D).

Last question: how "hot" are you running the PC-12Plus--I've got mine at 78db at the listening position (rest of the system is at 75 db)

I feel like adding my two cents. I got bitten buy the plus bug and bought duals:D And I,ve never been the same. I know I'm over subbed, but these things are just simple incredible!!!! I also bought the anti mode 8033, and when I crank up the volume, the dogs literally run for cover:eek: I have to give all of you on this forum the credit, best place for info-period. Eric

I feel like adding my two cents. I got bitten buy the plus bug and bought duals:D And I,ve never been the same. I know I'm over subbed, but these things are just simple incredible!!!! I also bought the anti mode 8033, and when I crank up the volume, the dogs literally run for cover:eek: I have to give all of you on this forum the credit, best place for info-period. Eric

No such thing as "over subbed", brother! :D

Congrats on your duals--I'm a member of the dual clan as well--they sure are fun!

Glad to see that y'all are enjoying your subs!

Question: Is there any easy, trauma-free way to remove the grilles so I can play with port plugs?Have you ever had to open a large can of popcorn or Danish cookies that come in a tin and the lid was so tight you had to lift it off a little at a time as you moved around the circumference? That's way you remove the grill on a PC-NSD/Plus/Ultra.

Have you ever had to open a large can of popcorn or Danish cookies that come in a tin and the lid was so tight you had to lift it off a little at a time as you moved around the circumference? that that way you remove the grill on a PC-NSD/Plus/Ultra.

Thanks a great description--do you pry the thing off with your fingers only?

Thanks a great description--do you pry the thing off with your fingers only?That's how I removed mine. If it is too tight, you may have to get a little creative.

That's how I removed mine. If it is too tight, you may have to get a little creative.

Thanks!

Well, I finally made up my mind after a lengthy research and decision making timeframe and ordered the PC12-Plus today!

I am setting up a home theater in a spare bedroom. Anything I should know or steps should take first?

Well, I finally made up my mind after a lengthy research and decision making timeframe and ordered the PC12-Plus today!

I am setting up a home theater in a spare bedroom. Anything I should know or steps should take first?

Congrats, 1st step is dialing it in, so a SPL meter is recommended.

Well, I finally made up my mind after a lengthy research and decision making timeframe and ordered the PC12-Plus today!

I am setting up a home theater in a spare bedroom. Anything I should know or steps should take first?

Congrats, 1st step is dialing it in, so a SPL meter is recommended.

1+ Sherardp's advice is the best and most important advice when getting a sub! :) (Many favor the analog Radio Shack SPL meter--a tripod is often very useful as well).

I would also read this: simple guide to subwoofer placement (http://theprofessionalanswer.com/?p=20) and subwoofer placement guidelines (http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/speaker-setup-guidelines/subwoofer-placement-guidelines) to give you an idea on how to find the optimal placement of the sub in your room.

Finally, you'll likely need some active bass music sources to test out your placement when you are done.

This is probably old hat for some of you, but I just found this (make sure the sound on your computer is on when you view it):

Funny SVS Animation Clip (http://www.svsound.com/animation.cfm)

Enjoy!

I have been agonizing over my sub choice and was only planning on $500-$6
00 for my budget. Every one here was so darn excited with their purchase I felt I would be a fool not to do the same. Looking forward to a whole new experience. Thanks again for pushing me down the right path.

I have been agonizing over my sub choice and was only planning on $500-$6
00 for my budget. Every one here was so darn excited with their purchase I felt I would be a fool not to do the same. Looking forward to a whole new experience. Thanks again for pushing me down the right path.

Cool! :cool:

Let us know how you like it!

I have been agonizing over my sub choice and was only planning on $500-$6
00 for my budget. Every one here was so darn excited with their purchase I felt I would be a fool not to do the same. Looking forward to a whole new experience. Thanks again for pushing me down the right path.

Hey Paco, you're not at all alone. I first started hunting for subs with a $400 max budget.... Now I own an Ultra.

... Go figure. :rolleyes:

Enjoy it, and please stay in touch so we can help you.


Tim

Bought PC-12Plus. Now awaiting for it to be delivered. Hope to have a whole new experience with it over my current Velodyne DLS-4000R. Now, I intend to use my current sub to make it 7.2 setup. Wonder that would be wise.

Updates :

Sold off my Velodyne since PC-12Plus is simply awesome. It blends in well with my Klipsch and its performance is breathtaking. One PC-12Plus is more than enough.

If anyone would like to see a couple of these subs in situ, I posted a few pics here:

Two PC-12 Pluses in Mythos System (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16818396#post16818396)

One of the characteristics of this sub is that I think it looks better in person than in pics, so please don't let my poor photography scare you off! :)

I haven't considered the PC-12 Plus, but after reading the enthusiasm from u guys i am tempted. A couple of questions please:

1) Has anyone tried laying the sub on its side? Have you noticed a difference? It seems that the verticle weight would help with keeping the driver accurate. On its side it seems like it could move the whole tube.

2) Has anyone directly compared it to its twin in the box version (PB). I know SVS says it should perform identical; however, they are totally different and I don't expect an apple to taste like an orange.

I haven't considered the PC-12 Plus, but after reading the enthusiasm from u guys i am tempted. A couple of questions please:

1) Has anyone tried laying the sub on its side? Have you noticed a difference? It seems that the verticle weight would help with keeping the driver accurate. On its side it seems like it could move the whole tube.

2) Has anyone directly compared it to its twin in the box version (PB). I know SVS says it should perform identical; however, they are totally different and I don't expect an apple to taste like an orange.

I've only read about folks putting the SVS cylinders on their sides and apparently they work OK in that fashion. However, since they are clearly designed to stand upright (with a weight distribution to match), I suspect that option is second best.

I, too, would be interested in a box vs. cylinder in a real world test, since the box measures differently. However, I suspect SVS is giving the straight scoop about real world performance--there is no motivation for them to claim something that isn't true in this case (in fact, it would benefit them financially if they claimed the box was better). Therefore, I'd bet I would be hard pressed to tell the difference. Having said that, perhaps someone out there with better ears can.

UPDATE: I pulled the trigger, and my new PC-12 PLUS just arrived today:D

For those of you with a PLUS or ULTRA and use the sub for primarily HT, do you have a recommendation as to which port plug set-up worked best. So far I am having success with just one port plug in.

Should there be a break in period before I drive her hard? Also, I had a Y-splitter to split my single LFE when I had it connected to my old Velodyne. I read that the SVS works just fine without the Y-splitter. Am I correct not to use the splitter with the SVS, and is there a preferred color (red or white) that I connect the single LFE to?

I am also wondering if I should get an SPL to figure out the best EXACT placement. So far, i have the sub on its side and have the driver about 6"-12" from the wall.

Last question: Did anyone change any of the PHASE settings on the sub? I have it on 0 like is recommended, the gain is at 12 o'clock, and the PEQ stuff is fully counter-clockwise. Thanks!

UPDATE: I pulled the trigger, and my new PC-12 PLUS just arrived today:D

For those of you with a PLUS or ULTRA and use the sub for primarily HT, do you have a recommendation as to which port plug set-up worked best. So far I am having success with just one port plug in.

Should there be a break in period before I drive her hard? Also, I had a Y-splitter to split my single LFE when I had it connected to my old Velodyne. I read that the SVS works just fine without the Y-splitter. Am I correct not to use the splitter with the SVS, and is there a preferred color (red or white) that I connect the single LFE to?

I am also wondering if I should get an SPL to figure out the best EXACT placement. So far, i have the sub on its side and have the driver about 6"-12" from the wall.

Last question: Did anyone change any of the PHASE settings on the sub? I have it on 0 like is recommended, the gain is at 12 o'clock, and the PEQ stuff is fully counter-clockwise. Thanks!
My preference is to use it for a while in the maximum output setting (no plugs). Get familiar with the sound of a few demos. After you've had it set this way for a month or two, then try different port settings. Play your reference demos. You will then know what you lose and what you gain using the different tunings.

You don't need the Y adapter, but if you have problems with the auto on feature, then try the Y.

Thanks, I put it back to the no-plug set-up. I finally ran Audyssey and just got a SPL meter to verify levels. I guess it is normal to have the needle jump around +/- about 3 spl. I also noticed that it seems that the sub started getting a little stronger after 30 minutes of use. I wonder if she would sound different after several more hours of listening....as some sort of break-in period. Which, BTW, I did not see as a suggestion for the sub.

Initial thoughts:
I upgraded from a 10" Velodyne DLS-3750. I did notice that the SVS sub can reproduce some of the lower frequencies like in that Robot Flip scene in Transformers 1, where the Velo could not touch. Honestly, overall, I was expecting a bit more from the PC-12+. Before ordering the PC12-Plus, I was suprisingly ALMOST satisfied with the 10" Velo. I think I had upgraditis, and the curiosity of what the famous SVS sub had to offer got the best of me.

I guess I really don't know WHAT I was expecting, but so far I feel like this was maybe a 20% improvement in bass over the Velodyne. I guess I was expecting about a 50% improvement with this 1k PC12-PLUS upgrade. I will give it a little more time. Now I wonder if I should have just found a matching Velodyne DLS-3750 and used them as a pair. YES, I know that would only help smooth out the room curve and still not allow frequencies below 20hz to be attained.

Thanks, I put it back to the no-plug set-up. I finally ran Audyssey and just got a SPL meter to verify levels. I guess it is normal to have the needle jump around +/- about 3 spl. I also noticed that it seems that the sub started getting a little stronger after 30 minutes of use. I wonder if she would sound different after several more hours of listening....as some sort of break-in period. Which, BTW, I did not see as a suggestion for the sub.

Initial thoughts:
I upgraded from a 10" Velodyne DLS-3750. I did notice that the SVS sub can reproduce some of the lower frequencies like in that Robot Flip scene in Transformers 1, where the Velo could not touch. Honestly, overall, I was expecting a bit more from the PC-12+. Before ordering the PC12-Plus, I was suprisingly ALMOST satisfied with the 10" Velo. I think I had upgraditis, and the curiosity of what the famous SVS sub had to offer got the best of me.

I guess I really don't know WHAT I was expecting, but so far I feel like this was maybe a 20% improvement in bass over the Velodyne. I guess I was expecting about a 50% improvement with this 1k PC12-PLUS upgrade. I will give it a little more time. Now I wonder if I should have just found a matching Velodyne DLS-3750 and used them as a pair. YES, I know that would only help smooth out the room curve and still not allow frequencies below 20hz to be attained.

I think you can drop the bottom down to 16hz with one plug and still integrate it well with your mains. I am using mine with one port plugged. Check out the response graphs SVS supplies for the exact difference. I would try this "if" you want it to produce lower than where it is now.

John

give it a couple of days then remeasure and recalibrate if needed.
you will need to play around a bit to get the best sound in your room
good luck
oh, and remember the sub should not call attention to itself, it should just produce when needed and shut up, not everything is supposed to be spectacular
and
you may have had your velo set up very nice.;)

Thanks for the advice. I will try to give it a little more time. I have experimented with pushing the sub further away from the wall and used the SPL meter to see if there was any benifits. I decided to leave it close to the wall like most recommend; although, I wonder if it is too close. Here are some pics of the current position:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_X1BRj82fjEo/SvuOqmhsMOI/AAAAAAAAFUg/oxL8sqJ0txs/s800/November%202009%20053.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_X1BRj82fjEo/SvuOvONLlnI/AAAAAAAAFUs/i3ZVY4u679s/s800/November%202009%20056.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_X1BRj82fjEo/SvuOwt2okXI/AAAAAAAAFUw/xNnhVeZtHxE/s800/November%202009%20057.jpg

You can also try flipping it so the top is near the wall. You should be getting much more that your perceived 20% improvement over the Velo. The Plus sub can be a beast. It will take some experimentation in placement and set up before you get max performance from your room. Just keep working at it.

Thanks. I just stood the beast upright, and it might have sounded a little better; however, with it being so close to the listener (the port is at ear level @ a close proximity), the bass is MUCH more localized.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_X1BRj82fjEo/SvwvL0uZzaI/AAAAAAAAFVM/tcVFiy8MwCw/s640/November%202009%20058.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_X1BRj82fjEo/SvwvNJUQ55I/AAAAAAAAFVQ/eXSYrvftSfo/s640/November%202009%20059.jpg

I tried playing with the PHASE settings to see if that made a difference. My ears did not find a difference.

I guess the Velo was well positioned and optimally adjusted for the best room response. Maybe I should not be doubting the PC-12+, but giving a little more respect to that little Velodyne DLS-3750. The Velo was surprisingly able to get to sufficient SPLs for the room size. I have to give the PC12+ credit, because it is nice to hear frequencies that the Velo could not even touch.

Can anyone comment on your thoughts of the mid-bass performance and musical capabilities of their PC12?

Can anyone comment on your thoughts of the mid-bass performance and musical capabilities of their PC12?

I have 2 of these to mate with a Mythos system. The Mythos system is created without a midbass hump to improve clarity, so the PC-12 Pluses were the perfect choice to pick up the slack.

They blend extremely well, and still have enough low bass rumble and POW! to wake the kids. :)

I like to listen to SACD's as well--these subs are rapid and musical--never bloated. I'm extremely happy with them. Plus, the SVS customer service can't be beat.

Great subs--would buy them over again in a heartbeat!

Good luck!

Thanks mvp2005fan. I agree that SVS customer service can't be beat! May I ask what system you used to tune these subs? Also, where are they positioned in your room? Honestly, I am debating if I should return my PC12+. I like the SPLs, but in my room I am not getting as dynamic of a sound. I have had great luck with corner loading subs in the past, but it seems to have little effect with the PC12+. This thing is such a beast that it can put out the SPLs no matter where it is positioned in the room; however, I think it sounds...."different".

Can anyone comment on your thoughts of the mid-bass performance and musical capabilities of their PC12?

When you move from a sub like the Velodyne you are adding a great deal of low bass.

Over the years there have been many post about the "musical" qualities of subs that roll-off below 30-35 Hz. Lots of people found these subs to be very musical.

Since that time the phenomena has been identified. Somehow the absence of really low bass is interpreted by the brain as being more "musical".

Here is a review of the Velo 5000. While it didn't have the lowest lows, the musical quality was highly praised:

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/speakers/2316/shootout-five-mid-price-subwoofers-velodyne-dls-5000r-hows-it-sound-page11.html

Thanks mvp2005fan. I agree that SVS customer service can't be beat! May I ask what system you used to tune these subs? Also, where are they positioned in your room? Honestly, I am debating if I should return my PC12+. I like the SPLs, but in my room I am not getting as dynamic of a sound. I have had great luck with corner loading subs in the past, but it seems to have little effect with the PC12+. This thing is such a beast that it can put out the SPLs no matter where it is positioned in the room; however, I think it sounds...."different".

Here is a picture of my system and sub placement: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16818396#post16818396

I agree with the other posters--the SVS subs are very "tight. You won't hear the sub all the time like some other subs that play higher and boomier.

However, the deep bass comes through when the material calls for it, and part of the impact is due to the fact it hasn't been booming along continuously.

I tuned the subs by hand with an SPL meter. I also run my subs a little "hot" to 78dB (other speakers at 75 dB).

After much research and comments from SVS, I plugged the plug and order 2 PC12-Plus (instead of 1 PC13 or PB13 ultra). Now, I do need a Y-splitter from my receiver to the 2 subs. Any good suggestions? I find a Monster one from Amazon selling for ~15 and another one for ~12.. Are those good?
http://www.amazon.com/Monster-THXAIYM-Certified-Stereo-Adapter/dp/B00006JKWE/ref=reg_hu-wl_item-added
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WLZSGS/ref=s9_simp_gw_s0_p23_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-6&pf_rd_r=1696HM13HEBG4RQB164N&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938731&pf_rd_i=507846

Or anyone use the Acoustic Research Y-splitter and any comment? I found one in ebay that sells for $10 and no shipping cost...

Or anyone use the Acoustic Research Y-splitter and any comment? I found one in ebay that sells for $10 and no shipping cost...You don't need an expensive Y adapter. Go to Radio Shack and get something like THIS (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3909619) for $4.

After much research and comments from SVS, I plugged the plug and order 2 PC12-Plus (instead of 1 PC13 or PB13 ultra). Now, I do need a Y-splitter from my receiver to the 2 subs. Any good suggestions? I find a Monster one from Amazon selling for ~15 and another one for ~12.. Are those good?
http://www.amazon.com/Monster-THXAIYM-Certified-Stereo-Adapter/dp/B00006JKWE/ref=reg_hu-wl_item-added
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WLZSGS/ref=s9_simp_gw_s0_p23_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-6&pf_rd_r=1696HM13HEBG4RQB164N&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938731&pf_rd_i=507846

Congrats on joining the club! :)

I used this Y adapter from Blue Jeans Cable (http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/subwoofer/index.htm) to go along with the Blue Jeans subwoofer cables.

Is it better than cheaper alternatives? Hard to say--to me the determining factor was what kind of connectors the adapter had since it was interrupting the signal connection. I preferred a good, tight, quality connector that wouldn't introduce noise. That said, I am aware of no evidence that this "Y's" is sonically better than any other.

One tip: you might consider emailing SVS for their tips on setting up dual subwoofers if you haven't done it before--I found them useful. (If you are going to RS, you might also consider picking up an analog SPL meter as well--very handy with dual subs--among other things).

Thanks for the input!
Yes, I did email SVS and they give me some procedure to setup dual-subs, and I will need an SPL meter to do this....I might as well pick up the Y-splitter as well.
Yes, I am debating if I should spend $2 vs $10 :) SVS will ship the 5m cable for free so I am all set there. I am also worrying if my y-adapter will be a bottleneck or something if I choose a cheap one. Maybe I should get both and see if there is any difference and I can return it if there is no such difference...

Thanks for the input!
Yes, I did email SVS and they give me some procedure to setup dual-subs, and I will need an SPL meter to do this....I might as well pick up the Y-splitter as well.
Yes, I am debating if I should spend $2 vs $10 :) SVS will ship the 5m cable for free so I am all set there. I am also worrying if my y-adapter will be a bottleneck or something if I choose a cheap one. Maybe I should get both and see if there is any difference and I can return it if there is no such difference..

I'd be very interested to know what you find--so much of what I (?we) believe about such things is undoubtably snake oil! :D

Thanks for the input!
Yes, I did email SVS and they give me some procedure to setup dual-subs, and I will need an SPL meter to do this....I might as well pick up the Y-splitter as well.
Yes, I am debating if I should spend $2 vs $10 :) SVS will ship the 5m cable for free so I am all set there. I am also worrying if my y-adapter will be a bottleneck or something if I choose a cheap one. Maybe I should get both and see if there is any difference and I can return it if there is no such difference...

I bought a rat shack splitter[different from the link above] a long time ago, and it served me well till recently when it somehow started to introduce a hum into my system. It got worse and better if I played with it like twisting it around, which is a clear sign of the problem with the cable not the rest of my gear. I replaced it and the problem went away. I'm no advocate for expensive cables, but I had a couple of problems with RS ones. Monoprice on the other hand been very good so far.

OK PC12+ family, I finally got REW running and here are my curves comparing my old Vleodyne to my new PC12+. Anyone know if the built in PEQ can help in this situation?

BTW, look at my posts above to see my current situation of dissatisfaction.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17692081#post17692081

OK PC12+ family, I finally got REW running and here are my curves comparing my old Vleodyne to my new PC12+. Anyone know if the built in PEQ can help in this situation?

BTW, look at my posts above to see my current situation of dissatisfaction.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17692081#post17692081

Sorry to hear of your continuing troubles.

I've read all the posts and (assuming there is no mechanical issue with your PC12+) suspect that the problem resides in your particular combination of your listening position and sub placement limitations.

Your room has such a dip at 30 Hz that I don't think will be able to get totally fixed with an equalizer alone. Most of the stuff I have read suggest treating the room first (bass traps, etc) before investing in a lot of new equipment.

That said, if you can't move your sub--can you adjust your listening position?

I also wonder if eventually perhaps you might be better off getting 2 small subs (which would allow perhaps more flexible placement) and would perhaps offer a smoother bass response over a wider area. That's part of the reason I ended up with 2 (I have two PC12+ instead of 1 Ultra).

Good luck!

Mvp2005fan, that is some GREAT advice. I really do appreciate you following my situation and for all your help. THANK YOU!

I am pretty much stuck with the seating position and the positioning of the sub; however, I can place a second sub on the other side of the sectional. The only problem is that it opens directly into the kitchen.

I finally got a Y-splitter (not a cable type, but a gold plated hard connector) from Radio Shack. It actually tug in pretty tight as I have to force it in. i am amazed with this sub and when i was watching Monster Inc and when they blow up the sock, this is the first time I actually fill the "bomb". I demo to everyone and they are all amazed, although my wife keep calling it a trash can :) Well, this is the best $$ I spent so far on Audio equipment. I had spent $$ on Klipsch RC-62, XF-48 and a Pioneer 21THX.. they can't really compare. Since I am all for home theater, i think a sub do make the MOST difference, especially a PC12+ !!! Well, actually I got 2 :) Now, after the holidays, i need to start playing around with gain/phase etc.. Fun time!

BTW, i am wondering if i should plug my amp to my power conditioner (Belkin PV31) or should I plug directly into the wall? I saw that it is 6A maximum per woofer? So, it is about 12A total if i have 2? My power conditioner only fit 15A... what do you guys think?

I finally got a Y-splitter (not a cable type, but a gold plated hard connector) from Radio Shack. It actually tug in pretty tight as I have to force it in. i am amazed with this sub and when i was watching Monster Inc and when they blow up the sock, this is the first time I actually fill the "bomb". I demo to everyone and they are all amazed, although my wife keep calling it a trash can :) Well, this is the best $$ I spent so far on Audio equipment. I had spent $$ on Klipsch RC-62, XF-48 and a Pioneer 21THX.. they can't really compare. Since I am all for home theater, i think a sub do make the MOST difference, especially a PC12+ !!! Well, actually I got 2 :) Now, after the holidays, i need to start playing around with gain/phase etc.. Fun time!

Glad you are enjoying your subs! Welcome to the club. (BTW, tell your wife it's a water heater, not a trash can) :)

BTW, i am wondering if i should plug my amp to my power conditioner (Belkin PV31) or should I plug directly into the wall? I saw that it is 6A maximum per woofer? So, it is about 12A total if i have 2? My power conditioner only fit 15A... what do you guys think?

Although you'd probably get away with it most of the time, since the subs don't drawn full power all the time, you may run into trouble if you are playing at really loud volumes and an especially deep note hits (like the explosion scene you mention). I just have a good surge suppressor that I plug directly into a dedicated home theater outlet I had installed.

Hi,

I'm seriously considering the PC12 Plus. I was originally looking at the PC12 NSD but was told my space might be too large for a NSD. Question...have you found the sub to be capable of getting plenty loud without distorting? I'm looking for a "durable" sub that can get loud and sound good. Ed commented on the sub's durability a few pages back. I was just wondering what others experience has been with the plus.

Hi,

I'm seriously considering the PC12 Plus. I was originally looking at the PC12 NSD but was told my space might be too large for a NSD. Question...have you found the sub to be capable of getting plenty loud without distorting? I'm looking for a "durable" sub that can get loud and sound good. Ed commented on the sub's durability a few pages back. I was just wondering what others experience has been with the plus.

Funny you should ask--I just have been equalizing my 2 PC-12 Pluses with a Velodyne SMS-1. I was wondering how they would take the various boosts while playing really loud.

I just mashed through the loudest parts of "The Hulk", "Master and Commander" and "Kung Fu Panda". The PC-12 Pluses did break a sweat!

Funny you should ask--I just have been equalizing my 2 PC-12 Pluses with a Velodyne SMS-1. I was wondering how they would take the various boosts while playing really loud.

I just mashed through the loudest parts of "The Hulk", "Master and Commander" and "Kung Fu Panda". The PC-12 Pluses did break a sweat!

Thanks for sharing! Two Pluses must really sound great. The more and more I learn about SVS subs the more appealing they become.

I just ordered the SVS PC12 Plus. Cant wait to get it home and pair it up with my Def Tech speakers. I really hope I made the right choice in getting the PC12 plus over the NSD version.

System:
DT SM 450 (L&R)
DT CLR 2002 (C)
DT BP1.2x (SR)
SVS PC12 Plus
PS3/wii
Sony XBR6 52"
Directv HD

***** Still debating on a receiver to buy. Currently have a Sony (1998) HTIB. Any Suggestion on a receiver? *****

Riverest, don't worry as you will have a lot more head-room with the increased out-put. You also have a built in PEQ and option for multiple tuning points, which the NSD does not have.

Riverest, don't worry as you will have a lot more head-room with the increased out-put. You also have a built in PEQ and option for multiple tuning points, which the NSD does not have.

Agreed, I have the the PC12-Plus and love it!!!

John

I just ordered the SVS PC12 Plus. Cant wait to get it home and pair it up with my Def Tech speakers. I really hope I made the right choice in getting the PC12 plus over the NSD version.

System:
DT SM 450 (L&R)
DT CLR 2002 (C)
DT BP1.2x (SR)
SVS PC12 Plus
PS3/wii
Sony XBR6 52"
Directv HD

***** Still debating on a receiver to buy. Currently have a Sony (1998) HTIB. Any Suggestion on a receiver? *****

You made a great choice in the PC12-Plus--I've got two of 'em and they are amazing!

With regards to your second question: what is your budget for your receiver?

You made a great choice in the PC12-Plus--I've got two of 'em and they are amazing!

With regards to your second question: what is your budget for your receiver?

I was looking to spend around $600, but I can extend that to $1000 if the latter will be a better buy. I watch 75%movies and 25% Music.
Thanks

I was looking to spend around $600, but I can extend that to $1000 if the latter will be a better buy. I watch 75%movies and 25% Music.
Thanks

From Accessories4less:

Onkyo TX-SR806 (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXSR806B/Onkyo/Tx-sr806-Thx-Ultra2-130w-X-7ch-Hdmi-806-Receiver-Black/1.html) 549 plus shipping
Onkyo Tx-SR706 (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXSR706BLK/Onkyo/Tx-sr706-Thx-100w-X-7ch-Theater-Receiver-Black/1.html) 429 plus shipping
Onkyo Tx-Sr607 (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXSR607BLK/Onkyo/Tx-sr607-7.2-channel-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html) 339 plus shipping
Marantz sr6003 (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MARSR6003/Marantz/Sr6003-Dolby-Truehd-/-Dts-hd-Master-Audio-Av-Receiver/1.html) (699) or higher (but they are a little bit higher than your 600 budget)

Accessories4less is a certified reseller of both Onkyo and Marantz so you not only get a factory re-certified product, but a 1 year warranty on it. A brand new Onkyo only has a 2 year warranty so I think its a great trade off. The TX-SR806 would be my pick for you as its the highest priced one and is THX Ultra2 certified. It will hammer any speakers you have and has a very decent amount of connections.

I was looking to spend around $600, but I can extend that to $1000 if the latter will be a better buy. I watch 75%movies and 25% Music.
Thanks

IMHO, it would be hard to go wrong with the Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K ($500) or if you wanted to spend more the Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH ($1,000) or the VSX-21TXH would give you great sound, generous features, and good power.

From Accessories4less:

Onkyo TX-SR806 (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXSR806B/Onkyo/Tx-sr806-Thx-Ultra2-130w-X-7ch-Hdmi-806-Receiver-Black/1.html) 549 plus shipping
Onkyo Tx-SR706 (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXSR706BLK/Onkyo/Tx-sr706-Thx-100w-X-7ch-Theater-Receiver-Black/1.html) 429 plus shipping
Onkyo Tx-Sr607 (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXSR607BLK/Onkyo/Tx-sr607-7.2-channel-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html) 339 plus shipping
Marantz sr6003 (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MARSR6003/Marantz/Sr6003-Dolby-Truehd-/-Dts-hd-Master-Audio-Av-Receiver/1.html) (699) or higher (but they are a little bit higher than your 600 budget)

Accessories4less is a certified reseller of both Onkyo and Marantz so you not only get a factory re-certified product, but a 1 year warranty on it. A brand new Onkyo only has a 2 year warranty so I think its a great trade off. The TX-SR806 would be my pick for you as its the highest priced one and is THX Ultra2 certified. It will hammer any speakers you have and has a very decent amount of connections.

Thanks I will check those out.
I was surfing the net and I found a Denon 2310 (open Box) for $610 and a 3310(open box) for $800 from 6.ave. Would you buy it and is 6.ave legit.

Thanks

Thanks I will check those out.
I was surfing the net and I found a Denon 2310 (open Box) for $610 and a 3310(open box) for $800 from 6.ave. Would you buy it and is 6.ave legit.

Thanks

You and I have almost the exact same set up. The only exception is the center (I have the PC 2000) and sub...I haven't ordered the PC12 plus yet.

I have a Denon 1909 and it powers my DT speakers just fine and provides enough tuning capabilities. Of course the newer 1910 is out with a few more bells and whistles. I ended buying my AVR from ABT.com at 20% off retail (I asked them to price match a special running at 6ave.com). At the time I wasn't familiar with 6 ave so I went with ABT who I knew was an authorized dealer.

6ave.com is legit. They are a brick and mortar shop based on the East coast, and they do online sales as well. They are, I believed, an authorized dealer for all the products they sell...but I would double check the specific product you're buying. They typically run specials (check their weekly ad) which is why I like them. Every so often they'll offer 20% off all AVRs. I picked up my SM450's for $300 a pair shipped from them.

Thanks I will check those out.
I was surfing the net and I found a Denon 2310 (open Box) for $610 and a 3310(open box) for $800 from 6.ave. Would you buy it and is 6.ave legit.

Thanks

When I was looking to buy Denon wasnt sold anywhere locally to audition, so I stuck with what I could hear, which was Onkyo, Marantz and Integra (higher end Onkyo, or so they say). Denon from what I see on this forum is a decent brand as well. I think any of those would be a good call, but I dont know enough bout the denon to recommend one way or the other, or give you the pro's and con's between it and any of the others I suggested.

Thanks I will check those out.
I was surfing the net and I found a Denon 2310 (open Box) for $610 and a 3310(open box) for $800 from 6.ave. Would you buy it and is 6.ave legit.

Thanks

I'm no expert on AVR's but thought I'd share my must have list when I shopped for one...ultimately landing on the Denon 1909. There were 3 things I was looking for:

1. HDMI 1.3 with repeating architecture...I might have my terminology mixed up, but the ability to run one HDMI cable from my AVR to my TV, not a HDMI cable and separate audio cable.

2. Sufficient watts per channel

3. Audyssey Calibration

I found that most AVR's with at least these features also had more than enough other features to serve my needs. From there I did some research on reliability and functionality with other devices ultimately landing on the Denon 1909. More watts would have been nice, but not necessary with my set up.

Anyone able to share their experience on the mid bass performance of the PC12 plus? I'm going to pull the trigger today either on an Epik Empire or PC12 plus. From what I gathered so far, users have stated that the PC12 plus blends in well with their mains but I'm having to reconcile that with a few users who stated the mid bass was very lacking. I was hoping to get more perspective.

Anyone able to share their experience on the mid bass performance of the PC12 plus? I'm going to pull the trigger today either on an Epik Empire or PC12 plus. From what I gathered so far, users have stated that the PC12 plus blends in well with their mains but I'm having to reconcile that with a few users who stated the mid bass was very lacking. I was hoping to get more perspective.

I'm using a 3.1 set up for HT and music. I have the Ascend Acoustics Sierra 1 and the PC 12 plus in a room that is 22' x 14' x 8' with one large opening, one smaller opening and a door to other rooms. For me there is nothing lacking with respect to the bass at all. No scientific measurements though, just my ears.

Anyone able to share their experience on the mid bass performance of the PC12 plus? I'm going to pull the trigger today either on an Epik Empire or PC12 plus. From what I gathered so far, users have stated that the PC12 plus blends in well with their mains but I'm having to reconcile that with a few users who stated the mid bass was very lacking. I was hoping to get more perspective.

I use my 2 PC12-Pluses with a Mythos system (which is deliberately designed without a midbass hump). I can vouch for the fact that the SVS subs fill in that portion of the frequency spectrum very well. :)

That said, the amount/quality of bass or midbass in your system will be heavily influenced by your room characteristics and specific speakers and setup choices; however, having good quality subs (like Epik or SVS) is a great base to build on.

Oh great, now you guys chime in after I purchased the Epik:p

Thanks for responding though. I ended up going route B. I must say though, I feel destined to someday get a SVS. Maybe for another room.

Any one use the port plugs yet to tune down to 16hz. (currently i have no plugs installed and it sounds great) just wondering if its worth to plug one of the ports.
Also is it worth to buy the AS-EQ1 with one sub?