Hi,

I'm looking to get a very budget system for my relatively small living room. I've been gravitating toward the Dayton HTS-1200 speakers with the Dayton SUB-80 subwoofer that totals $150 (free shipping) at PartsExpress right now. My only reservation is that some of the reviews for the SUB-80 indicate it is boomy and/or distorted, but at this price point, I doubt it's something I can avoid.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-692

Then reading these forums further, I notice The Speaker Company has a ASW-8 for $80 shipped. There isn't much reviews on these subwoofers, except it seems to be similar to the Energy ESW-8. I figure these could be combined with PartsExpress's Dayton HTS-1200S speakers (silver version - color isn't an issue for me) that costs only $60 shipped. Total is actually $140 shipped.
http://www.thespeakercompany.com/ASW-8-8-Subwoofer-P61C17.aspx

So it comes down to, of the two budget subwoofers, which one is better? Or is there a difference in this price range?

In addition, are these considered better than a Logitech Z-5500 system? I'd need to get a receiver with the Daytons, so the price is about the same. The Logitech is recommended by my colleague and it get good reviews, but I wonder if that's because they are judged in different class. As you can tell, I have no audio background.

If it were me, I'd go with the tSC sub.

I haven't heard that or the Dayton, but I recently got the Energy ESW-8 (for $100 shipped from Audio Advisor through Amazon) and it's not a bad little sub. It's not the best thing out there, but it sounds pretty clean and seems to avoid the boomy mess that you get with most HTIB subs.

Like you, I read that the Dayton can be boomy so I stayed away.

Since the tSC sub appears to be almost the same sub as the Energy, that would be my pick.

Perhaps a better question is, has anyone actually purchased speakers from The Speaker Company? They aren't listed in resellerratings.com. I've read one bad review of their company in regards to their handling of returns of damaged items.

Just picked up the ASW-10 and its the same sub as the Energy. I had purchased both and opened them up. The only differences are cosmetic and no ribs on the woofer surround on the ASW. Same woofer though.

They sound identical. Very clean and tight. At only 20.00 difference get the ASW-10.

tSc ASW-10 good enough for a secondary setup? Gonna be pairing it up with Yamaha satellites. Is it not boomy?

@NADz, any comment? How fast do they ship and where do they ship from? It says 3-5 days. I tried putting it in the cart and it added tax for me in CA, does that mean they ship from in-state?

Any order originating from CA will receive tax. I received mine in one day from Nevada. No its not a boomy sub at all. Very clean and tight. I might even by a second one at these prices.

Any order originating from CA will receive tax. I received mine in one day from Nevada. No its not a boomy sub at all. Very clean and tight. I might even by a second one at these prices.

Thanks! I need a sub for a secondary setup and this might just do it for me.

Do they ship out real quick like within the day if you reach the cut-off time or the next day, or do they wait like Amazon does with Super Saver Shipping? Because I've noticed that payments go through Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Speaker-Company-tSc-ASW-10-Subwoofer/dp/B001GDNVR4/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1227214846&sr=8-6

ASW10, is it front firing sub?

Other than PE I cant seem to order a sub on-line because they dont ship to Canada, anyother sites that do ship to Canada? Thanks.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Speaker-Company-tSc-ASW-10-Subwoofer/dp/B001GDNVR4/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1227214846&sr=8-6

ASW10, is it front firing sub?

Down-firing.

Mine was shipped within one day.

Glad to see someone had a positive experience with tSc. Their Amazon page shows several positive reviews from customers, so that's good.

So, is the consensus that tSc/Energy subs are better than the Dayton subs? I'm not sure if anyone has had the chance to hear both.

Any order originating from CA will receive tax. I received mine in one day from Nevada. No its not a boomy sub at all. Very clean and tight. I might even by a second one at these prices.

Would you happen to know if it's possible bypass the x-over of the subwoofer and let the receiver control x-over settings? I need the cut-off to be higher than 120Hz. Thanks!

The thing that rubs me the wrong way with The Speaker Company is that their product reviews are obviously fake. The same reviewers are seen posting across almost all their products, giving everything 4-5 stars. This negates any genuine positive reviews that they might have on their site, since you can't make out which ones are fake.

Actually, outside of NADz's review of the subs, I haven't seen any other real reviews for them. It would be nice to see if tSc is consistent in their quality.

I just browsed the Energy ESW-10 online and it is obviously similar aesthetically and amp-wise to the ASW-10. The ESW-8 is similar to the ASW-8. Hopefully this is a good indication.

I will probably get a ASW-10, I've asked NADz here and a guy at Audioholics and they seem to say the same thing about the sub. I think only the Daytons come close to it at this price point.

I was initially thinking about getting a used Yamaha for the same price, around $100, but I have a feeling this would be a better sub.

Interesting post from Nick (tSC's general manager) about the similarity to Energy's ESW line:
"Our speakers are built to be the best value we can put together. The fact that it "looks" or "sounds" like the Energy is a happy comparision as they are pretty nice subs. There are only so many ways to build a sub and we pick the best designs we can, enhance them with the best engineers we can find and sell them direclty to you. Then we hop you like them!"

http://forum.thespeakercompany.com/index.php?topic=48.0

I find it hard to buy that it's coincidental that the ASW subs are almost direct clones of the ESW line. I still think NADz hit it with the conclusion that tSC buys up discontinued designs, and aside from a few minor tweaks, sells them as their product. In this case, that's not necessarily a bad thing. They are selling the ASW subs cheaper than the Energy on closeout, and they're not bad subs at all (based on my experience with the ESW-8 so far).

It's just somewhat strange to me that they won't say they have tweaked an existant design to improve it, but try to make it sound like the similarities are coincidence (at least that's my interpretation of the post...maybe I'm interpreting it incorrectly). That, coupled with the glowing product reviews from the same people, and the lack of direct customer service (ie talking to a person over the phone) make me a bit cautious of this company.

All that said, it still looks like these subs are a really good deal with the current sale, and it doesn't seem like you'd be screwed if there is a problem...it just might be a bit of a hassle to get things corrected.

I find it hard to buy that it's coincidental that the ASW subs are almost direct clones of the ESW line. I still think NADz hit it with the conclusion that tSC buys up discontinued designs, and aside from a few minor tweaks, sells them as their product. In this case, that's not necessarily a bad thing. They are selling the ASW subs cheaper than the Energy on closeout, and they're not bad subs at all (based on my experience with the ESW-8 so far).

It's just somewhat strange to me that they won't say they have tweaked an existant design to improve it, but try to make it sound like the similarities are coincidence (at least that's my interpretation of the post...maybe I'm interpreting it incorrectly). That, coupled with the glowing product reviews from the same people, and the lack of direct customer service (ie talking to a person over the phone) make me a bit cautious of this company.

IMO it might possibly have a bad effect on Energy's part if tSc discloses that they are getting discontinued products and rebadging them.

Anyhow I jumped on the fence and put in an order for an ASW-10, will be posting a review when I get it. Will ask my brother how it was packed when it arrives at his place (he is in the US, I am currently in the Philippines). Will be importing it so it will take a while before I get it. Will post a review comparing it to the A2-300 I currently have and love. I know it would be an unfair comparison but I have no other sub to compare it to, previously had a 6.5" Yamaha sub which totally sucked and has been sold. :D

All in all I can't complain for the price, I just hope it arrives to me in one piece like the A2-300.

The sub I received was double boxed and packed better than some equipment I have received from more reputable companies.

There are some good reviews with pictures of some of there bookshelf in the forums section at TSC. Both where posted at Audioholics as well.

Will give more info on my impressions of this sub when I get more time. But overall I'm quite pleased. Even at 200 or 250 I would be happy.

Blued888 if you need a higher crossover than 150.00 I would not purchase this sub as you will have a gap in the frequency response. Not a good thing. It may not sound as clean and tight as well. Ideally subs should not really be crossed over higher than 100. Maybe 120.

If ESW-10 and the ASW-10 is indeed similar. The LPF mode indicates active/bypass. Does this mean that the x-over setting on the sub is bypassed if it is turned all the way up? Thanks!

If ESW-10 and the ASW-10 is indeed similar. The LPF mode indicates active/bypass. Does this mean that the x-over setting on the sub is bypassed if it is turned all the way up? Thanks!

With your speakers just turn the LPF all the way up since there is no bypass switch.

Blued888 if you need a higher crossover than 150.00 I would not purchase this sub as you will have a gap in the frequency response. Not a good thing. It may not sound as clean and tight as well. Ideally subs should not really be crossed over higher than 100. Maybe 120.

Having the gap might be something I am willing to work with for a while. If the sub turns out good I might get myself a set of the 5.25" tSc bookshelves/center in a few months time (if they are still on sale that is). :) Thanks!

Having the gap might be something I am willing to work with for a while. If the sub turns out good I might get myself a set of the 5.25" tSc bookshelves/center in a few months time (if they are still on sale that is). :) Thanks!

Even if there products are not on sale there extremely good bargains. Some of the best out there in my book.

The sub I received was double boxed and packed better than some equipment I have received from more reputable companies.

That's more than I can say for the ESW-8...single boxed and regular old styrofoam that only covered the corners and held the sub in place.

Fed Ex was kind enough to leave a huge hold in the box, as it would figure, between the areas covered by the styrofoam. Luckily, no damage was done to the sub...unless of course something inside was knocked loose and will kindly manifest after the warranty is done...:rolleyes:

That's more than I can say for the ESW-8...single boxed and regular old styrofoam that only covered the corners and held the sub in place.

Fed Ex was kind enough to leave a huge hold in the box, as it would figure, between the areas covered by the styrofoam. Luckily, no damage was done to the sub...unless of course something inside was knocked loose and will kindly manifest after the warranty is done...:rolleyes:

Yeah I know what you mean when it comes to shipping damage. But it's not always the manufactures fault. Sometimes it is though. I have seen some very high end companies with questionable packaging that would make you scratch your head and wonder what they where thinking. It's the damn shipping companies most of the time though.

TSC seems to be a stand up company. There was one review I saw about someone who had some issues with a return, but TSC took care of him though. I think some of it had to do with the company they where using for returns and transactions. I think they have recently switched companies to Amazon. Which shows they want to make sure customers are happy and treated well. Nick has been a stand up guy with my dealings and it's nice he takes the time to check in at forums and keep up on posts at TSC forums. I look forward to some of there future offerings though. Hopefully some better surround speakers will be released in the future.

Just found this from one of the threads over at TSC.



"We've had difficulties with our old eCommerce supplier implementing our return policy. Starting on Novembe 1, 2008 we've taken the return process in-house. We believe this will greatly improve customer service in this area. Our goal is to deliver on our service promises and this new process will help us reach this goal."

Thank you to all for your patience

Nick


I knew something had changed so I guess Amazon is only handling the money transaction part. This is good that returns are being handled in house IMO.

Just wanted to add an extra bit of info I culled from the internet which directly addresses the Dayton vs. TSC subwoofer question:

“The Speaker Company has subs too, for $79 (8-inch) and $99 (10-inch). Good stuff, I tested them. Includes shipping and satisfactcion guarantee with free return shipping. You can’t lose and you have a single vendor that way. It would be a lot cheaper to get the 10-inch TSC sub than the Dayton, and it is at least as good.”

Source: http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/technobabble/2008/11/17/home-theater-speakers-for-a-song

I had the TSC 10" subwoofer, and wasn't that impressed moving from my 6.5" subwoofer. Maybe I was expecting too much, it just sounded louder / boomier. I ended up returning it because I had nothing to compare it with.

I had the TSC 10" subwoofer, and wasn't that impressed moving from my 6.5" subwoofer. Maybe I was expecting too much, it just sounded louder / boomier. I ended up returning it because I had nothing to compare it with.

What model? ASW-10? Or an older 10" subwoofer they had?

Yes, it was the newer ASW-10. I bought it at $150, and at $100 it may be worth it. According to others it is tight, but I have nothing to compare it with so I don't know. I was thinking about getting the Velodyne VX-10, but waiting to get it for $100.

Yes, it was the newer ASW-10. I bought it at $150, and at $100 it may be worth it. According to others it is tight, but I have nothing to compare it with so I don't know. I was thinking about getting the Velodyne VX-10, but waiting to get it for $100.

I'm not expecting too much given its price, so hopefully I won't get disappointed.

Thanks!

I would stay away from the VX-10. The ASW is a much better sub. More output and goes deeper from my initial use. I'm actually getting good output at 25hz and fair output at 20hz. which is way beyond what the specs state. It's truly an impressive sub for smaller to medium sized rooms. Mine is 12' x 17'.

I used a VX-10 for a bit and it was not that great. A ton of mid bass but no real extension.

Room acoustics affect a sub more than anything else. Proper parametric EQ, room placement and crossover alignment is the key to getting the most from your sub. Some subs don't work well with high crossover points as well. But truly excel when crossed at 80hz or lower.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180295697841&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008

White-van subwoofers? :D Personally haven't heard of that brand anywhere.

There's a thread on them here somewhere,another on tweakcity forums.Search for Tube Audio Designs(TAD).I believe the seller is the designer of them.The people who bought one seem impressed with them for the money.

There's a thread on them here somewhere,another on tweakcity forums.Search for Tube Audio Designs(TAD).I believe the seller is the designer of them.The people who bought one seem impressed with them for the money.

Thanks for the heads up! Personally don't want my subwoofer to be anything other than boxy though and I don't like shiny piano finishes.

FWIW, I received the ASW-10 this past weekend. So far I'm very pleased. It came quickly and perfectly intact. I haven't had much chance to set it up properly let alone break it in, but so far I'm pleased with it. It complimented my other TSC speakers nicely for both music and movies. Last night I cranked up the volume a bit on a few scenes in X-men 3 and I could feel the bass through the living room floor. Pretty cool.

If you thinking of the ASW-8 I'd say find the online coupon that's out there and get the asw-10 for 89. I don't think you can beat this deal.

Tiga

Tiga, have you had any experience with any other subs? If so, how does the ASW-10 compare to them?

I was thinking about repurchasing it at $89 instead of $150 like before.

Do you have any idea what the coupon code is?

Thanks for the update, Tiga. Given the discount, I decided to give the ASW-10 a shot over the ASW-8 or the Dayton subs. The item was shipped very quickly, but with free shipping and Thanksgiving, it'll take until next week to get here. I'll be putting this with the Dayton surrounds (silver) and a Onkyo TX-SR505 refurb. That's a total of less than $270 shipped for an entire HT sound system.

If I got the 8" sub and an TX-SR304 instead, the entire system would be only around $235 shipped... cheaper than the Logitech Z-5500. So the price is definitely right. Let's just see how well it performs.

Thanks for the update, Tiga. Given the discount, I decided to give the ASW-10 a shot over the ASW-8 or the Dayton subs. The item was shipped very quickly, but with free shipping and Thanksgiving, it'll take until next week to get here. I'll be putting this with the Dayton surrounds (silver) and a Onkyo TX-SR505 refurb. That's a total of less than $270 shipped for an entire HT sound system.

If I got the 8" sub and an TX-SR304 instead, the entire system would be only around $235 shipped... cheaper than the Logitech Z-5500. So the price is definitely right. Let's just see how well it performs.

Can you give some listening impressions when you do get the sub? I'm not gonna get mine for at least a month (I'm importing the thing).

ghostie,

Has your ASW-10 arrived yet? :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180295697841&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008

I ordered that SW-100 a few days ago, will be here tommorow. I'll update.

ghostie,

Has your ASW-10 arrived yet? :)

FedEx pushed off delivery date by 1 day, but it should arrive today :D

I'll try to hook it up after work. It's my first surround sound system, so I have to wire the whole thing around the house. Unfortunately I have no point for home theater comparison outside of my three 2.1 systems for my computers.

I received my SW-100 today, beautiful. I won't be able to listen to it until thursday, though.

FedEx pushed off delivery date by 1 day, but it should arrive today :D

I'll try to hook it up after work. It's my first surround sound system, so I have to wire the whole thing around the house. Unfortunately I have no point for home theater comparison outside of my three 2.1 systems for my computers.

I won't have time to hook everything up until next week. Just as well - I ran out of speaker cable during installation and had to order additional cables from monoprice. The ASW-10 did arrive yesterday. Looks very solid and well-packaged. At this rate, some of you might get things hooked up before I do, so let me know how the sub sounds.

On paper (power and HZ) the TSC seems to best the Polk, but I'm more of a music guy and a huge Polk fan (though many polkheads seems to stray on the subwoofers). I don't want just movie booms, musicality is probably more important.

Right now, both are the same price and I'm really torn here. Any suggestions? :confused:

I just went to pick up an asw10 since it seems like its a good sub and the price is dirt cheap, but it looks like theyre out of stock and theres no info on when they'll be back in stock. I was hoping to pick up something today or tomorrow, i guess I'll check out that energy sub that the asw10 is similar to, but are there any other deals out there right now?

i got my sw-100 for $97 shipped

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I just went to pick up an asw10 since it seems like its a good sub and the price is dirt cheap, but it looks like theyre out of stock and theres no info on when they'll be back in stock. I was hoping to pick up something today or tomorrow, i guess I'll check out that energy sub that the asw10 is similar to, but are there any other deals out there right now?

ESW-10 is around $170 from third-party Amazon sellers.

There's a $160 one on eBay which you can get for $130 shipped after Live.com 20% Cashback.

i got my sw-100 for $97 shipped

Good price! Personally don't like the the form factor and the finish though.

Good price! Personally don't like the the form factor and the finish though.

What do you mean by Form Factor?

The finish fits my setup perfectly, piano finish panasonic and piano finish towers....

plus, $97..... i couldn't pass it up. lets hope they sound decent :D

What do you mean by Form Factor?

I personally like boxy-form subs. :)

I just went to pick up an asw10 since it seems like its a good sub and the price is dirt cheap, but it looks like theyre out of stock and theres no info on when they'll be back in stock. I was hoping to pick up something today or tomorrow, i guess I'll check out that energy sub that the asw10 is similar to, but are there any other deals out there right now?

I was gonna get one yesterday as well and was really disappointed that they were out of stock. So, I emailed them and got this response:

Due to the huge success of this sale we are currently out of stock on the ASW-10. We expect to have some in by the end of the week or Monday at the latest. They will still be on sale by then so don't worry.

Nick

I personally like boxy-form subs. :)

Gotcha! :)

Finally hooked up my SW-100 last night, sounds very clean, tight and crisp!

Okay, so I had a ASW-10 before, and just purchased a Velodyne VX-10 for $95. Overall, the ASW-10 compared to the VX-10 sounds way boomier to me. I like the VX-10 a lot more.

What do you mean by Form Factor?

The finish fits my setup perfectly, piano finish panasonic and piano finish towers....

plus, $97..... i couldn't pass it up. lets hope they sound decent :D

how you do 97 shipped?

how you do 97 shipped?

Live Cashback through eBay. But I think discount is down to 8% now. Was previously 15% to 30%.

Just a minor update. I finally got a chance to hook everything up. My TSC ASW-10 handled Matrix Reloaded quite well. My current settings actually have the subwoofer a little boomy to accentuate the slow motion "bullet-time" sequences and explosions. I'll work on calibrating my settings over the weekend to see if I can make it sound more "musical" for music selections. But at $90 shipped, I am quite satisified.

Any suggestions on nice sample clips to challenge my speakers/sub?

Just a minor update. I finally got a chance to hook everything up. My TSC ASW-10 handled Matrix Reloaded quite well. My current settings actually have the subwoofer a little boomy to accentuate the slow motion "bullet-time" sequences and explosions. I'll work on calibrating my settings over the weekend to see if I can make it sound more "musical" for music selections. But at $90 shipped, I am quite satisified.

Any suggestions on nice sample clips to challenge my speakers/sub?

Darla's fish tank tapping on Finding Nemo.
Tony Stark demonstrating the Jericho missile in Iron Man.
Iron Man's repulsor blasts when he rescues the people at Gulmira.
The sound beam scene in The Incredible Hulk.
The Monsters Inc scene after the sushi bar.

I have a Energy ELX-8 sub that came with my Take5 system a few years back that died on me a couple of weeks ago so I need to replace it ASAP.Unfortunately I am on a very tight budget so I am pretty close to pulling the trigger on a TSC ASW-8 for $80 shipped.I have also done a bit of research on the Dayton subs but most reviews find them to be a bit on the boomy side.I have recently come across a couple of other models basically in the same price range and was wondering if anybody has had any experience with them.They are the BIC Venturi V80 and the Dual L8SW.All of these model seem to be very close spec wise although the BIC has a bit more power and appears to be very compact.I am also considering upgrade to a 10" sub.All of these models are available in a 10" versions and I am particularly interested in the ASW-10 from TSC.It's only 20 bucks more than the 8" version but my main concern with either the ASW-8 or 10 is that they're down-firing subs and I live in a apt. building so my downstairs neighbor will probably be hating me real soon.I try to keep the volume at a reasonable level but even though the 10" is only $20 more I'm wondering if it's even worth it if I can't use it to it's full potential.The BIC is also a down-firing model.

My receiver is a Harman Kardon AVR320 so it's a pretty conservative set up. In any event I would welcome any suggestions or comments on any of the above mentioned subs.

Thanks

ghostie - have you tried experimenting with the subs position to reduce the boominess? I moved mine from the corner of the room to more toward the center tonight and it seems a little tighter. I'm going to play around some more with the position and settings and see what I can come up with. So far I'm pretty pleased.

Tiga


Just a minor update. I finally got a chance to hook everything up. My TSC ASW-10 handled Matrix Reloaded quite well. My current settings actually have the subwoofer a little boomy to accentuate the slow motion "bullet-time" sequences and explosions. I'll work on calibrating my settings over the weekend to see if I can make it sound more "musical" for music selections. But at $90 shipped, I am quite satisified.

Any suggestions on nice sample clips to challenge my speakers/sub?

Not sure what you guys definition of boomy is...

But I am very impressed by the sub thus far. Compared to a very old M&K sub that I moved to another room, I would call the ASW 10 lively.

Im sure it needs broken in, calibrated and all that jazz but what more could you want for less than a hundred bucks.

I was very happy to hear my home windows vibrating, where I did not even know bass was in the credits of the movie. Something I would not have expected with concrete floors and walls.

Could I tell between this and speakers costing 4-5 times more, yes.
I needed something cheap and quickly. I like it.

When did you buy the ASW-10 for $100? Its $149 today.

When did you buy the ASW-10 for $100? Its $149 today.

Amazon had the tsc ASW-10 on a overstock price of $99.97 with free super-saver shipping back in the first week of Dec. I can say what a deal that was, ordered one up as soon as I saw it. Have not powered it up yet though....Will let you know how it sounds.

When did you buy the ASW-10 for $100? Its $149 today.

Ordered mine end of November.

Got mine at the end of November as well. At the time, they also had a coupon floating around. The price came down to around $90 shipped. Unfortunately, based on audioholics forum, Nick from tSc indicated that these prices are unlikely to return. But who knows.

I have to say, the more I use it, the more I like it. It's just a shame that I don't have enough experience with subwoofers in general to provide a comparison to other brands/models. I'm in a small room - about 14x14 feet - and the ASW-10 fills it easily during movies. I'm not the type to crank it up to shake windows though.

Does anyone know how often TSC runs sales? I'm looking for a sub for 100% home theater use. Room is 12' X 17' with a 7' ceiling. Is the ASW-10 the one to get? Thanks.

Does anyone know how often TSC runs sales? I'm looking for a sub for 100% home theater use. Room is 12' X 17' with a 7' ceiling. Is the ASW-10 the one to get? Thanks.

Not sure how often they intend to have sales.

I think there is a 10% coupon lying around though. Would bring the tSc ASW-10 to around $135.

I went through the website (to Amazon payments) and was able to use the holida10 coupon (10% off) and shipping is free right now. I picked up the asw-10 for $135 shipped. If I wasn't already spending money I shouldn't have, I would have definitely considered getting 2 asw-8s instead.. they would have been $90 shipped each. This might be a better option depending on your setup.

I would stay away from the VX-10. The ASW is a much better sub. More output and goes deeper from my initial use. I'm actually getting good output at 25hz and fair output at 20hz. which is way beyond what the specs state. It's truly an impressive sub for smaller to medium sized rooms. Mine is 12' x 17'.

I used a VX-10 for a bit and it was not that great. A ton of mid bass but no real extension.

Room acoustics affect a sub more than anything else. Proper parametric EQ, room placement and crossover alignment is the key to getting the most from your sub. Some subs don't work well with high crossover points as well. But truly excel when crossed at 80hz or lower.


Thanks for telling us about the fact that the $150 tsw 10 has respone to 20 Hz. That's a really neat trick. Now we can spend our money on other items in our home theaters knowing that for only $150 bass is covered down to 20 Hz.

There actually was a sub that was to sell for $159 plus shipping that could do justice to bass approaching 20 Hz. Unfortunately the Tweak City Audio Scamp 10 ran into production difficulties. It may still see the light of day.

I wonder if TSC is the OEM for Energy subwoofers?

Thanks for telling us about the fact that the $150 tsw 10 has respone to 20 Hz. That's a really neat trick. Now we can spend our money on other items in our home theaters knowing that for only $150 bass is covered down to 20 Hz.

There actually was a sub that was to sell for $159 plus shipping that could do justice to bass approaching 20 Hz. Unfortunately the Tweak City Audio Scamp 10 ran into production difficulties. It may still see the light of day.

I wonder if TSC is the OEM for Energy subwoofers?

Is this kind of response really called for? I don't think that was what he was saying at all. He stated he is getting sound down to 20hz (obviously room gain is involved in such a small room), never stated at what db now did he?

TSC is not the OEM, they are a new company started up under D&M holdings.

I own an ASW-10, and output dB really drops fast below around 30Hz, and I could not hear anything coming out of it at all at around 26Hz. This was when it was brand new and not broken in, but I don't expect it has changed much. I'm happy with it for the $89 I paid for it, but saying it can go down to 20Hz is absurd.

I'm happy with it for the $89 I paid for it.

+1. I paid $100 for it because of the sales tax.

I'll do some in-room tests to find out the response of the ASW-10 when I finally figure out how to do the testing.

Maybe I was a bit excited when I posted this and should of used a better choice of words. There was output at 20hz at around 70db but it was up and down between 68 and 72. The subwoofer was also placed in the corner at the time and the meter was roughly 2 meters away. Fair may not of been the best word to use. Some output would have been a better choice.

Sorry if some people feel if I over stated the subs performance. But it does have output at 20hz in my room.

Yes there are better subs but for 149.00 it is one of cleanest sounding subs out there. Especially from 28hz and up.