This is the DEFINITIVE PLASMA VIDEO to use when buying a new plasma.
After downloading the zip file, burn both folders onto a DVD and then finilize if needed and they should be playable on most dvd and bluray players.
I wish I had this dvd when I was buying a Plasma.
There are 2 commercials on the video, the first one is not important, but the 2nd on is the most important 30 seconds I've ever watched while owning a Plasma.
PLEASE don't respond to this thread unless you have watched the video on a Plasma.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JCF4OJHP

do you have to pay to download the file?

You need to tell us more.
When I hit your link I go to a page that is not simply press the green download box.
Am Isupposed to enter JSW in the box on the top right?
Then choose "Free"?

You need to tell us more.
When I hit your link I go to a page that is not simply press the green download box.
Am Isupposed to enter JSW in the box on the top right?
Then choose "Free"?

Yes, exactly (but the 3 digit code will be different for each person), and after you do that you'll get like a 25 second countdown and after that the countdown will morph into "free download" and then just click on that to download the zip file for FREE.

do you have to pay to download the file?

No, it's free.

Thanks....will check in after I watch this evening.
It's safe right?

Thanks....will check in after I watch this evening.
It's safe right?

Yes, ofcourse it's safe. It's exactly what I said it is, 2 commercials.
The 2nd one is EXTREMELY useful when comparing different plasmas and deciding which one to get. I used this disc to compare a Panasonic PZ800U to a Pioneer 60" Kuro Elite and the Pioneer did about 80% better in the area that this disc is meant to test.

And yet another thread trying to prove that everyone can see pt's.

Something smells fishy

Something smells fishy

This is a LEGIT test disc. Not all Plasmas handle this test equally well.
There are huge differences between different Plasmas with this test. There was a big difference between how well Panasonics did vs Pioneers on this test.

How many MB is the file?

This is a frame capture fom an editing suite. Look at the outlines of the black elements. This is why you seeing what your seeing. The only definitive thing here is you need to spend more time on learning about the what in the source material is creating what you are seeing.
This was not taken with a digital camera off the screen which would create even more unpredicable results.

I do not see what avp posted, but i do see the text blur when it is over the red dress.

You will only see what i posted if you are able to view it frame by frame and not through you dvd player but by looking at the source files he provided which are from 1999. What I'm trying to show you is if you look at the original source file you see what was produced
originally and if there are problems with that the problems are only
going to magnify in the signal chain.
When you watch someting on a tv your eyes are not fast enough to pick up what is going on in each frame.

You will only see what i posted if you are able to view it frame by frame and not through you dvd player but by looking at the source files he provided which are from 1999. What I'm trying to show you is if you look at the original source file you see what was produced
originally and if there are problems with that the problems are only
going to magnify in the signal chain.
When you watch someting on a tv your eyes are not fast enough to pick up what is going on in each frame.

Is that image interlaced output or progressive output?

This is a frame capture fom an editing suite. Look at the outlines of the black elements. This is why you seeing what your seeing. The only definitive thing here is you need to spend more time on learning about the what in the source material is creating what you are seeing.
This was not taken with a digital camera off the screen which would create even more unpredicable results.

So you watched it on an LCD computer monitor? This is NOT an LCD test disc, it's designed SPECIFICALLY for PLASMAS. You're supposed to view it on a Plasma.
I showed it to 10 different people on different Pioneer and Panasonic Plasmas and EVERYONE saw what I saw. I guess only people who are color blind will not see it.

How many MB is the file?

It's only like 26 or 28 Megabytes.

This is a frame capture fom an editing suite. Look at the outlines of the black elements. This is why you seeing what your seeing. The only definitive thing here is you need to spend more time on learning about the what in the source material is creating what you are seeing.
This was not taken with a digital camera off the screen which would create even more unpredicable results.

You'd be right if this disc was designed to test motion blur on LCDs, but it's NOT DESIGNED to test motion blur, but something else, on Plasmas.

The source files he provided are interlaced SD content at an extremely low bitrate. Also once you go digital with fast camera pans that what you get.

Jack, you just don't get it. I looked at it in a broadcast editing suite on Sony Crt Studio monitors and also on plasma. If the source has it in it then when you frame or even field capture it, you will see it that how it works when we look at source material for problems.
I am not denying what your are seeing but trying to show you why you are seeing it. It may be more pronounced on a plasma but is there because of the source.
When you buy a Dvd there are not versions for each type of Tv.

Jack you just dont get it. I looked at it in a broadcast editing suite on Sony Crt Studio monitors and also on plasma. If the source has it in it then when you frame or even field capture it, you will see it that how it works when we look at source material for problems.
I am not denying what your are seeing but trying to show you why you

I see what the frame capture shows on CRTs and LCDs, but on plasmas I see something a little different to a LOT different depending on the brand of Plasma.
I actually showed it to 10 different people just to be sure and they ALL saw it. I'd estimate that about 95% of people would see it on Panasonic Plasmas since they handle this test worse than Pioneers and Samsungs from what I've seen.

The source files he provided are interlaced SD content at an extremely low bitrate. Also once you go digital with fast camera pans that what you get.

Low bitrate? it was 9.98 Megabits Per Second. Certainly not 440Mpbs like HD-CAM SR, but 9.98 Mbps was the highest quality my SD DVD recorder could record @.

Can someone enlighten me please as to what this is all about to begin with?

What is the purpose of this file? The differences between different plasma models and how content is displayed for each?

Please forgive my N00bness to this topic...

You may have recorded at that rate but the source is not that rate.
You can record it 45 Mbps but it will not improve the quality.
I know this because when I look at it frame by frame I can see how
pixelated it is especially the white background.
I see you want to learn try researching more about the source creation of content. Look in forums where there are people who do this for a living and you will start to see what production equipment really does as compared to what you read from manufacturers.

So you watched it on an LCD computer monitor? This is NOT an LCD test disc, it's designed SPECIFICALLY for PLASMAS. You're supposed to view it on a Plasma.
I showed it to 10 different people on different Pioneer and Panasonic Plasmas and EVERYONE saw what I saw. I guess only people who are color blind will not see it.

Just like I said earlier. This is just another "Jack White" thread about how terrible plasmas are, and how those who say they don't see PT's are either lying, or being naive.

How long before moderators put an end to this?

challenge the post: never the poster: you know better

challenge the post: never the poster: you know better

I understand Mark, but I am sure you have seen numerous threads of this exact same topic, from this very poster. Sometimes multiple in a single week.

There is a thread dedicated to the discussion on PT's, and has a LOT of great, and useful information. In that very thread, PT's have been explained right down to the science, and why not everyone can see them.

These threads always turn into a whirling spiral of bias information, and attempts to discredit either certain posters claims, or technologies. There are more and more unsuspecting visitors to AVS daily, and it would be ashame for those AVS'ers to come across a thread with inaccurate information.

If I am wrong in all of this, then I apologize, and will kindly remove myself from this thread.

I understand Mark, but I am sure you have seen numerous threads of this exact same topic, from this very poster. Sometimes multiple in a single week.

There is a thread dedicated to the discussion on PT's, and has a LOT of great, and useful information. In that very thread, PT's have been explained right down to the science, and why not everyone can see them.

These threads always turn into a whirling spiral of bias information, and attempts to the discredit either certain posters claims, or technologies. There are more and more unsuspecting visitors to AVS daily, and it would be ashame for those AVS'ers to come across a thread with inaccurate information.

If I am wrong in all of this, then I apologize.

Why not just watch the video without bias and judge for yourself.
That's all I'm asking, I'm not trying to bias people in this thread, just letting the video speak for itself when seen on a Plasma.
If there was a place to upload the video on avsforum and make it a permanent test disc then it wouldn't need its own thread.

OK i watched it.

this is the proverbial tree falling in the forest with no one around to hear it. i've never experienced anything like this when watching TV/film/video to the extent that i noticed it, or it was detrimental in any respect to the viewing experience. i'd venture to say that 98%+ of the plasma-owning public would concur.

so what is the point? i don't think most people want to jump through fire-y hoops like downloading and burning test videos, or watching their TV through a camcorder so that they can notice a flaw in their $2000 investment.

if one can't detect a problem under normal viewing conditions, is it really a problem?

OK i watched it.

this is the proverbial tree falling in the forest with no one around to hear it. i've never experienced anything like this when watching TV/film/video to the extent that i noticed it, or it was detrimental in any respect to the viewing experience. i'd venture to say that 98%+ of the plasma-owning public would concur.

so what is the point? i don't think most people want to jump through fire-y hoops like downloading and burning test videos, or watching their TV through a camcorder so that they can notice a flaw in their $2000 investment.

if one can't detect a problem under normal viewing conditions, is it really a problem?

You're the only honest person on the message board. Everyone else either has such a strong ego defense mechanism that they won't even admit seeing it, or they probably work for Panasonic or something. I agree that everyone has different levels of sensitivity to it, but under certain conditions, almost everyone will see it. Some people are more sensitive than others, and some plasmas are a lot better than others at this test, but almost everyone sees it, some just DON'T notice it. I actually started to believe that I was one of the few people who saw it. I then went to BB and CC and out of the 10 employees I asked to view it, all 10 of them saw it. They said "I wouldn't have realized if you hadn't pointed it out, but it really does exist".
So the idea that only like 1 out of 100 people can see it is a complete fabrication.
I would think that almost anyone who's not blind or color blind should be able to see it.

I understand Mark, but I am sure you have seen numerous threads of this exact same topic, from this very poster. Sometimes multiple in a single week.

There is a thread dedicated to the discussion on PT's, and has a LOT of great, and useful information. In that very thread, PT's have been explained right down to the science, and why not everyone can see them.

These threads always turn into a whirling spiral of bias information, and attempts to discredit either certain posters claims, or technologies. There are more and more unsuspecting visitors to AVS daily, and it would be ashame for those AVS'ers to come across a thread with inaccurate information.

If I am wrong in all of this, then I apologize, and will kindly remove myself from this thread.


I agree Fanaticalism.

I would agree that he needs to return his plasma. Its obvious he is one of the very very few who can spot phosphor trails and is bothered by them.

He has already started 5 other threads about this:
The
"Very Dissapointed With First Plasma" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14972109) Thread

and The

"Why don't they just bring back CRTs for a niche market?" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1082702) Thread

and the

"Saw Green Phosphor delay with 210fps camera today" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1075305&highlight=) Thread.

and the

"Howcome ALL Plasmas have green phosphor trails but almost NO CRTS have visable GPTs?" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1082754) Thread

and the

"Green Phosphor Lag Discussion" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1084684&highlight=) Thread

We now have the Sixth thread started.

No offense to anyone.

Peace, Chad

^^lol. I myself NEVER seen green phoshphor trails on a plasma.

You're the only honest person on the message board.
thanks, but i think you're selling the rest of AVS short.

I agree that everyone has different levels of sensitivity to it, but under certain conditions, almost everyone will see it.
i think those conditions almost never arise under normal viewing, so its completely irrelevant to nearly everyone. i don't get the obsession with this issue that seems to matter to almost no one

So the idea that only like 1 out of 100 people can see it is a complete fabrication.
i think if you asked 100 average plasma owners about problems with green phosphor trails, you'd get a lot of blank stares.

I agree that everyone has different levels of sensitivity to it, but under certain conditions, almost everyone will see it.

I watched it finally and, yes, I saw it too. Are you happy now? I'm still very happy with my plasma despite seeing it. I didn't even know about it (phosphor trail), as it's not a common complaint about plasma, so thanks for pointing it out. Even in that commercial, I didn't see it on the real person, only on the black silhouettes, which appear to be fast forwarded as the camera quickly pans right to left. If it really bothers you, then all I can say is that a plasma isn't for you.

5 other threads about this:
The
"Very Dissapointed With First Plasma" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14972109) Thread

and The

"Why don't they just bring back CRTs for a niche market?" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1082702) Thread

and the

"Saw Green Phosphor delay with 210fps camera today" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1075305&highlight=) Thread.

and the

"Howcome ALL Plasmas have green phosphor trails but almost NO CRTS have visable GPTs?" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1082754) Thread

and the

"Green Phosphor Lag Discussion" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1084684&highlight=) Thread