just listening to a podcast:

Podcast #013 - Major Nelson on NXE (http://platformbiased.com/2008/11/16/podcast-013-major-nelson-on-nxe/)
at the 17:25 minute mark Major Nelson says


...the team noticed that there were a number of consoles on our services that were playing pirated media and as we all know it violates a few laws... specifically the xbox live terms of services.

"How do yo know its pirated? maybe they just got their early from 7-11 or some other retailer?...and just played it early"
...the team does the right level of due diligence to insure that we are doing the right thing...

"There is an appeal process right?...can you reverse a ban?"
you can not reverse either one <bans and having gamer score reset>

we are very very very extremely 99.99% confident of that <when we ban someone>...



- so one should really be cautious about buying used consoles from any retailer.

- if your console gets accidently banned there is no way to reverse it and based upon the podcast MS always has proof { just incase someone tries to sue MS for wrongful banning or class actions suits }

using the 99.999% confidence level Major Nelson talked about...if 100,000 consoles were banned they may have made a mistake on 100 of them.

just listening to a podcast:

Podcast #013 - Major Nelson on NXE (http://platformbiased.com/2008/11/16/podcast-013-major-nelson-on-nxe/)
at the 17:25 minute mark Major Nelson says



- so one should be really be cautious about buying used consoles from any retailer.

- if your console gets accidently banned there is no way to reverse it and based upon the podcast MS always has proof { just incase someone tries to sue MS for wrongful banning or class actions suits }

using the 99.999% confidence level Major Nelson talked about...if 100,000 consoles were banned they may have made a mistake on 100 of them.

Nelson's estimate of 99.99% accuracy would mean there were 10 errors out of 100,000 bans.

Good.

Now if they can ban those that mod their controllers, that would be great!

Nelson's estimate of 99.99% accuracy would mean there were 10 errors out of 100,000 bans.

<cough...clears throat> yeah, i knew that but just left it there to see how many would catch the error


i never heard of modding controllers except to paint them a different color.

Nelson's estimate of 99.99% accuracy would mean there were 10 errors out of 100,000 bans.

Well, someone's lying, because everytime the "ban hammer" comes down there seems to be a few hundred people claiming innocence. Either the error rate is much much higher, or a bunch of people are lying or unwittingly bought modified consoles.

Well, someone's lying, because everytime the "ban hammer" comes down there seems to be a few hundred people claiming innocence. Either the error rate is much much higher, or a bunch of people are lying or unwittingly bought modified consoles.

The error right is probably a little higher, and there are a huge amount of people lying.

I think this most recent round of bans had to do with people playing "review copies" of games. They cannot detect if the console is modded, however the error flag system on the media itself is what they use to determine those who are breaking the TOS. Review copies have different identifiers than retail releases, that is how they separate those who just happen to buy the game early and those who pirated a copy.

I recall just recently some guy had over 200k on his gamer score . His score got reset and he was permanently placed in the gamerzone "cheater". He swore up and down that he was innocent and just played a lot of games through gamefly. Nelson said they were 100% sure he was cheating. Turns out before his was reset he had claimed to have gotten 31 acheivements ion perfect dark zero in 1 day. Considering the acheivements listed for that game I agree he was cheating.

I would guess their error rate is much higher than .01% but the real issue there is that he admits it is not 100% and those people that are subjected to an unjust ban have no recourse .

- Jason

Good.

Now if they can ban those that mod their controllers, that would be great!


I want to mod my controller. It is for comfort not to cheat though. I want to swap the dpad location with the left stick so it is symetrical like a ps3 controller. I agree that all the rapid fire DB's and what have you should be banned.

i never heard of modding controllers except to paint them a different color.

I never had either until I spectated a guy during a HQ game on W@W running around on speed tearing it up (he went 50-6 just about every game). Someone posted a video in the PS3 forum of a modded controller that allowed rapid fire - I'm sure there are also mods for rapid movement.

Well, someone's lying, because everytime the "ban hammer" comes down there seems to be a few hundred people claiming innocence. Either the error rate is much much higher, or a bunch of people are lying or unwittingly bought modified consoles.

And you can go ask everyone in prison if they're guilty and 99.9999999999% say they're innocent.

I recall just recently some guy had over 200k on his gamer score . His score got reset and he was permanently placed in the gamerzone "cheater". He swore up and down that he was innocent and just played a lot of games through gamefly. Nelson said they were 100% sure he was cheating. Turns out before his was reset he had claimed to have gotten 31 acheivements ion perfect dark zero in 1 day. Considering the acheivements listed for that game I agree he was cheating.



LAWD 1/2 MERCY!!!!! That shlt is funny.

And you can go ask everyone in prison if they're guilty and 99.9999999999% say they're innocent.
The biggest difference is that except for places like Gitmo people in jail generally a) were tried as individuals and b) actually got trials, had the right to defend themselves, etc.