TBeasley
11-26-08, 03:19 PM
I am thinking of going with the Monoprice 75’ and having a HDMI booster as well as a cat 5/6 system in hand as back up in case the Mono price cable does not work over that distance. I think I should be able to test the HDMI cable with my system before going into the walls if it works on the floor it will work in the wall. If it does not work, I can try it with the booster again if it works on the floor it will work in the wall. If it still does not work go with the Cat 5/6 system.
Please give me your input on the thought process and possible pro's and con's of what I am contimplating.
What would be the benefit to going with a cat 5/6 system over a 75’ run VS going with a Monoprice 75’?
What is the difference in tin plated and silver plated Copper for HDMI cables?
Thanks
ChrisWiggles
11-26-08, 05:35 PM
I think I should be able to test the HDMI cable with my system before going into the walls if it works on the floor it will work in the wall.
Never assume this.
75 feet is long. I would go with the Bluejeans for peace of mind, AND pull Cat 6, multiple runs. Additionally, the ONLY failproof solution is to pull conduit.
What is the difference in tin plated and silver plated Copper for HDMI cables?
You probably mean for connectors?
TBeasley
11-26-08, 07:44 PM
Chris
Thanks for the reply two follow up questions if I may.
1. Why would it work on the floor and not in the wall?
2. What do you mean by pull conduit?
3. I think I meant tin coated and silver coated copper wire from the description with gold plated connectors. So does this have any significant to you?
Monoprice.com
Product ID: 2893
HDMI Tin-Plated Copper CL2 Rated (for In-Wall Installation) Cable (22AWG) - 75ft (Gold Plated Connectors)
Brent McCall
11-27-08, 03:03 PM
1. Why would it work on the floor and not in the wall?
It is very easy to damage the cable when installing it by pulling too hard or making the bends too tight.
2. What do you mean by pull conduit?
Lay in smurf tube (the biggest possible) with soft turns so that in the future you can put in whatever the cable de-jur is.
3. I think I meant tin coated and silver coated copper wire from the description with gold plated connectors. So does this have any significant to you?
Other than really cheap cable silver coating to some degree is standard.
Better cables will have more silver.
The big issue for HDMI over distance is the correct twisting of pairs as well as between pairs.
ChrisWiggles
11-28-08, 10:56 AM
1. Why would it work on the floor and not in the wall?
Pulling the cable through the wall involves physically manipulating the cabling, which changes the characteristics of the cable, particularly if you're rough with the cable which many people are because they don't know any better. Also, many walls have electrical wiring running through them as well, which is a lot of electrical noise that is now being introduced to the cabling which it may not be out in the middle of the room where you probably have no wiring. And if things CAN fail in a very inconvenient place such as inside a wall after you've finished everything and are no longer able to pull new cabling without great effort and cost, well, you can already predict what is just BOUND to happen... ;)
2. What do you mean by pull conduit?
If you can, install conduit. This way, even after you finish the walls, you can pull new cabling through the conduit easily, in case this cabling does not work, fails, is cut or nailed by other contractors, sheetrockers etc, or the system changes and you need to add cabling, or whatever. It leaves future flexibility, and is really the only close to foolproof option since you can always just pull new cable through the conduit (as LARGE conduit as feasible).
So does this have any significant to you?
Not really. Monoprice is pretty vague about their cabling, which isn't to say it's not good, but there's not really very good information about what the heck it is, exactly, from a performance standpoint.
but again, recognize that the data rate that may be required to flow through an HDMI cable is enormous, can very significantly exceed gigiabit ethernet, and achieving this is very difficult. Cabling quality is crucial, and success is anything but guaranteed at a length like 75feet. You have to approach this with an expectation of failure or you are just begging for a giant headache when the cabling inevitably fails, or it works fine at 1080p24 or 1080i60, but then you decide to install something different a year from now and run 1080p60 and you're at double the bandwidth now and now you have no picture at all and you never tested for that...
ChrisWiggles
11-28-08, 10:58 AM
And i repeat my recommendation for the bonded belden HDMI for this kind of distance if you decide to be stubborn and not pull a bunch of cat6 or conduit for backup plan...