http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=668034

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http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=668038

WOW! The Jasper has been found!!!!!

WOW, and Thanksgiving to boot!!!!

Guess I will have to venture out on Black Friday :p

Apparently the key is:

10/23/2008 0843X FDOU Team

last digits of the serial indicate 8 = 2008 43 = 43rd week in the year.

Update: Also appears that this one has the Jasper:

0842 CSON

Systems have been opened and we have Jaspers!!!!!
:)

Everyone should wait for the Unicorn. Jasper is so yesterday.

Yes it was found yesterday, and I am gonna find one tomorrow :p

Good luck with that. Most of the stock I've seen on the shelves is a few months old with a sprinkling of builds from right around the time Jasper was apparently put on the assembly line.

I agree unicorn is where its at.
I waited for Falcon/elite and its sitting at MS HQ

The 150W PSU looks like a good clue to Jasper, but it still isn't proof. Come back and try again when you have pictures of the inside, with physical measurements. As it stands, wegafan, you are propping up conjecture as fact.

my 1 month old xbox 360 has a 175w AC adapter and it says 14.2A on the back of the console so something has changed...

I could have gotten a Unicorn.. but I'm waiting on the Optimus 360.

It transforms.

As it stands, wegafan, you are propping up conjecture as fact.
i'm just curious, is the 12.1A on the label on the system conjecture too?

it could be.

There could be another change that means the console needs less current.

Perhaps the VRM is more efficient? Perhaps the new DVD drive needs less power? Perhaps the 175W was already more than enough?

Until you post pictures of a smaller GPU, it is conjecture.

Until you post pictures of a smaller GPU, it is conjecture.
fair enough, i give it a week before some moron opens up his system and voids the warranty just to prove a point...

Wow, steven975! That is quite the rational explanation you've got there. :) We don't see that much around these parts.

You must be joking? 150w brick was confirmed months ago for Jasper. He has 1.

The 150W PSU looks like a good clue to Jasper, but it still isn't proof. Come back and try again when you have pictures of the inside, with physical measurements. As it stands, wegafan, you are propping up conjecture as fact.

Its the internet.. you will always have someone questioning something. Even AFTER you show proof.

The drop to 150w, 12.1 PSU is surely enuff for me to believe..

I think it is a pretty good bet it is Jasper. The 12.1 and the 150w shows something has changed. Which means it is either a great photoshop job, another version inbetween Falcon and Jasper....perhaps the Cougar??? Or it is in fact the Jasper. As I mentioned I will go looking for one tomorrow. I guess technically until they are opened up nothing is final, but it is good enough for me. Plus one of the guys says it runs cool as ahhm something cool. That is not a direct quote though. Good Luck!!!

Pffffft!!! You all are cracked.

The Phantom is where it is at. It doesn't even need a PSU. It has it's own mini hydro-electric plant built in. :p

i could have gotten a unicorn.. But i'm waiting on the optimus 360.

It transforms.

:d

One of the guys in my adult gaming group said his 360 just RROD'd. He claims it was a Jasper. I asked how he knew that but I haven't heard back from him. I'm pretty skeptical that it was a Jasper but who knows. I will post back if I hear from him.

Are they both Asian systems?

Are they both Asian systems?

Good Q. Not sure.

However, one has been opened and there appears that there is more confirmation.

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=668104

Plus the guy who opened his, says it runs cooler than any 360 he has used even in game. Good news perhaps. Also mentioned that it appears they went with overkill on the heatsinks even with the smaller chips to make certain there is no overheat. Time will tell. Only Arcade has confirmed at least as far as I have read.

I have never seen a console in my life that gets this amount of buzz each time a new revision comes out. Its like a relaunch of the console all over again. People get that excited and just have to get it. Watch every one trade in there falcons now....

Also apparently this is Jaspers too:

0842 CSON

I would only be excited if they get rid of the X clamps as that seems to be the root of most of the problems , I mean a 65nm chip can still overheat ;) .

- Jason

Hey cool! The machine now has 256MB of flash built on-board. No more 256MB memory card shipping with the Arcade systems. I wonder if that same 256MB will be there when Jasper migrates to the 60GB and Elite?

Hey cool! The machine now has 256MB of flash built on-board. No more 256MB memory card shipping with the Arcade systems. I wonder if that same 256MB will be there when Jasper migrates to the 60GB and Elite?

Is that what the site says? It's blocked from work. I figured they'd put more memory on board for the NXE, actually.

Anyway, I figure most of the systems on shelves are a few months old. Obviously because of Christmas and because they wanted to put out that press release about outselling the Xbox 1. MS loves these BS sales milestones, while the Wii is kicking their ass every day of the year.

Will be interesting to see if there are two different versions. One with one without. Does not seem necessary with HDD versions unless I am missing something. Plus, having the memory card helps with moving profiles. Who knows...

If only we could have average time used statistics between the 360, PS3 and the Wii. However, we do not have this info.

As for my percentage for my three consoles:

360: 96%

PS3: 3.9%

Wii: 0.1%

Now that is just a rough estimate; however, I think the Wii percentage is a little high. Could be the least used $200 purchase I have ever made. The PS3 is a little high too; however, I did not know whether to give them blueray credit toward percentages...so I did.

Is that what the site says? It's blocked from work. I figured they'd put more memory on board for the NXE, actually.



I said the same thing, and I was dismissed here as a loon.

Loon!

Is that what the site says? It's blocked from work. I figured they'd put more memory on board for the NXE, actually.


Nope...They are just requiring 256k memory card for it. I think it is a way they are pushing folks to get a HDD.

I said the same thing, and I was dismissed here as a loon.

Sheesh...What a loon. ;)

You guys! Such language! Calling people loons!

I would only be excited if they get rid of the X clamps as that seems to be the root of most of the problems , I mean a 65nm chip can still overheat ;) .

- Jason

That's my understanding too. Hope to be proved wrong.

That's my understanding too. Hope to be proved wrong.

same here, i know for a fact that the x-clamp removal fixes the issue, i'm not sure why they dont just remove them and bolt the corners down properly.

oh well, at least there seems to be epoxy on the chips now.



and is this still conjecture?
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9725/jasperwr0.png

I have a Jasper. Verified by the 12.1Amps on the console sticker and the power connecter on the console itself. I can tell you quite confidantly, that after playing COD4 for 4 hours straight last night that my fans spun on low the entire time and the air coming out the back was barely warm at all. If my Jasper is representative of the whole, if we get RRoD on Jaspers it will be something other then heat related.

Does this Jasper somehow enhance your gaming experiences?

Aside from less fan noise, no.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/12/01/finding-jasper-shot-of-xbox-360s-256mb-internal-storage/

Seems like the best way to confirm whether you have a Jasper... look for the MU

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.xbox360fanboy.com/media/2008/12/internal-proof-lg.png

same here, i know for a fact that the x-clamp removal fixes the issue, i'm not sure why they dont just remove them and bolt the corners down properly.

oh well, at least there seems to be epoxy on the chips now.


The chips have been epoxied to the motherboard since the release of the Zephyr and Falcon motherboards. Only the Xenon didn't have the epoxy.

The chips have been epoxied to the motherboard since the release of the Zephyr and Falcon motherboards. Only the Xenon didn't have the epoxy.

good to know, all bga sockets should be bonded

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/12/01/finding-jasper-shot-of-xbox-360s-256mb-internal-storage/

Seems like the best way to confirm whether you have a Jasper... look for the MU

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.xbox360fanboy.com/media/2008/12/internal-proof-lg.png

It has not been conclusively proven that Pro or Elites will have this. My Pro does NOT have this. I think it might be something that is 'nulled' on the mobo. I can remove my HD and still boot into NXE - which shouldn't be possible w/o 256mb cache but I can do it all the same.

For those that are interested, this is covered in great detail on the following forum: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=79&threadid=2249461

As someone who fixed GPU artifacting (not quite the RROD) by removing the X-clamps and replacing them with screws, I have to agree with the above posts. Until they use a different method of attaching the heatsinks, cooler chips don't matter all that much.

I am this close to tradeing my old (non-HDMI) 360 90nm CPU 90nm GPU.

for a JAsper Arcade SKU. Why?

#1. I get HDMI
#2. GAmestop does NOT want your hard drive (I have verified this)
#3. $80 for 360, +40 more promotion +10% more EDGE Gamestop card $132
#4. Its only $199 and would be $70 bucks out of pocket
#5. Buy with AMEX Gold get free Warranty extension
#6. you get a much better 65nm CPU 65nm GPU system uses less Watts runs cooler queiter.

heck a Warranty repair from Microsoft costs $100 alone. But you can easily get it knocked down to $50 by asking.


IF there was only some way to Verify that its a Jasper. By the external Box.

I am this close to tradeing my old (non-HDMI) 360 90nm CPU 90nm GPU.

for a JAsper Arcade SKU. Why?

#1. I get HDMI
#2. GAmestop does NOT want your hard drive (I have verified this)
#3. $80 for 360, +40 more promotion +10% more EDGE Gamestop card $132
#4. Its only $199 and would be $70 bucks out of pocket
#5. Buy with AMEX Gold get free Warranty extension
#6. you get a much better 65nm CPU 65nm GPU system uses less Watts runs cooler queiter.

heck a Warranty repair from Microsoft costs $100 alone. But you can easily get it knocked down to $50 by asking.


IF there was only some way to Verify that its a Jasper. By the external Box.

Go to the forum I posed above. Its pretty plainly detailed right on the first post.

It has not been conclusively proven that Pro or Elites will have this. My Pro does NOT have this. I think it might be something that is 'nulled' on the mobo. I can remove my HD and still boot into NXE - which shouldn't be possible w/o 256mb cache but I can do it all the same.


Any 360 can boot into NXE without a hard drive.

I am this close to tradeing my old (non-HDMI) 360 90nm CPU 90nm GPU.

for a JAsper Arcade SKU. Why?

#1. I get HDMI
#2. GAmestop does NOT want your hard drive (I have verified this)
#3. $80 for 360, +40 more promotion +10% more EDGE Gamestop card $132
#4. Its only $199 and would be $70 bucks out of pocket
#5. Buy with AMEX Gold get free Warranty extension
#6. you get a much better 65nm CPU 65nm GPU system uses less Watts runs cooler queiter.

heck a Warranty repair from Microsoft costs $100 alone. But you can easily get it knocked down to $50 by asking.


IF there was only some way to Verify that its a Jasper. By the external Box.

But do you think that Gamestop will be getting the Jaspers anytime soon? I'm not so sure they will get them very soon, or before this promotion is done. Its worth a shot though, if nothing else but for HDMI and an extended warranty.

Any 360 can boot into NXE without a hard drive.

correct, they just cant use the avatar editor.

I am this close to tradeing my old (non-HDMI) 360 90nm CPU 90nm GPU.

for a JAsper Arcade SKU. Why?

#1. I get HDMI
#2. GAmestop does NOT want your hard drive (I have verified this)
#3. $80 for 360, +40 more promotion +10% more EDGE Gamestop card $132
#4. Its only $199 and would be $70 bucks out of pocket
#5. Buy with AMEX Gold get free Warranty extension
#6. you get a much better 65nm CPU 65nm GPU system uses less Watts runs cooler queiter.

IF there was only some way to Verify that its a Jasper. By the external Box.


How long will the promotion last with gamestop?

But do you think that Gamestop will be getting the Jaspers anytime soon? I'm not so sure they will get them very soon, or before this promotion is done. Its worth a shot though, if nothing else but for HDMI and an extended warranty.

They certainly have Jaspers floating around in their inventory by now but most of the stock is probably going to be Falcon unless they are moving a seriously large amount of the consoles.

promotion expires 12-7

and I am more than sure Gamestop has Jaspers the other day I was there and they were unpacking at least 15 boxes fresh from Microsoft with fresh new Arcade units.

the ones with Sonic on the box should be a Jasper.

I know as soon as the $40 extra offer expires I will regret not getting a Jasper.

Heck the more efficient Watt power use will be significant in itself.

my current Power supply brick is listed as 203W and 16.5A that would go down to

150W and 12.1A W(watts) A(amps) now at least the lights won't flicker when the 360 powers up and feeds on all that juice.


(on a side note no Wonder so many Gamestops have been robbed lately they just lay on the floor unsecured 10 PS3's and 10 360's as they do inventory on the main store floor)

#2. GAmestop does NOT want your hard drive (I have verified this)


FYI some people still seem to want them. I got $40 just last week on eBay for my used 20GB hard drive. That was a nice chunk of change to take off of the cost of my new 120GB drive : )

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/12/01/finding-jasper-shot-of-xbox-360s-256mb-internal-storage/

Seems like the best way to confirm whether you have a Jasper... look for the MU

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.xbox360fanboy.com/media/2008/12/internal-proof-lg.png

Not a Jasper. Confirmed - Jasper does not come with Cheetos and if it did it would certainly be the crispy ones and not the puffs.

promotion expires 12-7

and I am more than sure Gamestop has Jaspers the other day I was there and they were unpacking at least 15 boxes fresh from Microsoft with fresh new Arcade units.

the ones with Sonic on the box should be a Jasper.

I know as soon as the $40 extra offer expires I will regret not getting a Jasper.

Heck the more efficient Watt power use will be significant in itself.

my current Power supply brick is listed as 203W and 16.5A that would go down to

150W and 12.1A W(watts) A(amps) now at least the lights won't flicker when the 360 powers up and feeds on all that juice.


(on a side note no Wonder so many Gamestops have been robbed lately they just lay on the floor unsecured 10 PS3's and 10 360's as they do inventory on the main store floor)

For the starting runs of Jaspers it is NOT guaranteed you will get a 150W power brick. The 175s will also work on a Jasper, its just a Jasper console will not pull all that the brick can offer. MS will deplete/run down their stocks of 175s before everybody gets a 150.

My Jasper came with a 175W brick - no big deal.

Any 360 can boot into NXE without a hard drive.

Didn't know that. However, MS has officially stated the existance of the extra cache in the Arcade. They do NOT mention the Pro or Elite - given my Jasper Pro does not have the cache I would surmise that this is not a good way to ID a Jasper unless you have a Arcade.

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/12/02/microsoft-confirms-256mb-internal-storage-in-xbox-360-arcade-uni/

quick question but with the new 256 memory on board as it appears is happening will it then stream netflix without the hard drive attached? I know in the past this was required but have not been able to wrap me head around that yet.

Thanks

I just bought what I hope is a Jasper. All the clues are there (Build date 0843 TEAM FDOU, Sonic on the Arcade Box, 256Mb memory) except I got the 175W power supply. Hopefully it is a Jasper, but I am a little hesitant to open it.

I just bought what I hope is a Jasper. All the clues are there (Build date 0843 TEAM FDOU, Sonic on the Arcade Box, 256Mb memory) except I got the 175W power supply. Hopefully it is a Jasper, but I am a little hesitant to open it.

Most reliable way is:

A. Verify 12.1 Amps on the 12V rail by looking at the sticker in the box cutout. You will have to shift the 360 to the right as FAR as it can POSSIBlY go, then lift up on the left side of the cardboard. If it says 14.2 you got a Falcon.

B. Look at the power socket on the console itself. On the INSIDE of the socket, near the VERY TOP of the socket itself, does it have a solid piece of plastic ( -----) or is it split (-- --)? Split means Jasper.

Most reliable way is:

A. Verify 12.1 Amps on the 12V rail by looking at the sticker in the box cutout. You will have to shift the 360 to the right as FAR as it can POSSIBlY go, then lift up on the left side of the cardboard. If it says 14.2 you got a Falcon.

B. Look at the power socket on the console itself. On the INSIDE of the socket, near the VERY TOP of the socket itself, does it have a solid piece of plastic ( -----) or is it split (-- --)? Split means Jasper.

Damn, I think I got a Falcon. Wish me luck trying to return this to Gamestop!

Wow, not to be a hater or anything but i seriously facepalmed..........i would think when we get "confirmation" we'd see pics of the old 360 GPU and the new one to compare die sizes........

Wow, not to be a hater or anything but i seriously facepalmed..........i would think when we get "confirmation" we'd see pics of the old 360 GPU and the new one to compare die sizes........

Already out. Check out the link I posted earlier. That forum really has one of the more authoritative threads on this topic. Links to pics, etc.

"Damn, I think I got a Falcon. Wish me luck trying to return this to Gamestop!"

Maybe you should know the return policy of places that you shop at... It makes life easier when you have info like that.

"Damn, I think I got a Falcon. Wish me luck trying to return this to Gamestop!"

Maybe you should know the return policy of places that you shop at... It makes life easier when you have info like that.

Thanks for being so helpful! Posts like this make life easier. :rolleyes:

I didn't take the console out of the plastic wrap, I only peeked inside. I should be fine.

Thanks.

I found a Jasper at Wal-Mart. The build date was 0842, but it lists the 12.1 amps and has the split (-- --) plastic in the power connector. I do have a 175 watt power supply, but I am confident that this one is a Jasper.

I found a Jasper at Wal-Mart. The build date was 0842, but it lists the 12.1 amps and has the split (-- --) plastic in the power connector. I do have a 175 watt power supply, but I am confident that this one is a Jasper.

If the split (-- --) is on the top inside the actual power connecter of the console and the sticker reads 12.1 amps on the 12V rail, then yes sir you have a winner !!!

I have the same config (including the 175watt power brick). Part of me prefers the larger brick as I believe it will work less hard to power the rig.

I wouldnt believe its a Jasper until your 360 jumps up and bites you in the azz.

Then and only then. Will I believe its a Jasper.

I wouldnt believe its a Jasper until your 360 jumps up and bites you in the azz.

Then and only then. Will I believe its a Jasper.

He's got a Jasper. Let him enjoy it as not many can find them (those that know to look). A friend of mine traded in his PS3 and is (unfortunatly) sitting on a pile of Gamestop credit b/c they haven't gotten any Jaspers in yet.

If the split (-- --) is on the top inside the actual power connecter of the console and the sticker reads 12.1 amps on the 12V rail, then yes sir you have a winner !!!

I have the same config (including the 175watt power brick). Part of me prefers the larger brick as I believe it will work less hard to power the rig.

Sweet! Does your new Jasper run quieter?

I went looking for a JAsper today at GAmestop no luck.

all said TEAM:TEMA or TEME or some other team which is just a Team of people who repack older 360's in new Packaging. Build Date was 8-22-08 NOT 10-23-08

I will keep trying for some reason, I really want one with HDMI mow HDMI 1.3 I think and 65nm CPU and 65nm GPU.

Should be quiter and less heat.

i got a 360 arcade jasper today at walmart maybe all walmarts have them now ?

lot 0844 150w

Yeah I went looking yesterday in Walmart.. and they had arcades with the Sonic game added.. Im assuming those were all Jaspers

promotion expires 12-7

and I am more than sure Gamestop has Jaspers the other day I was there and they were unpacking at least 15 boxes fresh from Microsoft with fresh new Arcade units.

the ones with Sonic on the box should be a Jasper.

I know as soon as the $40 extra offer expires I will regret not getting a Jasper.

Heck the more efficient Watt power use will be significant in itself.

my current Power supply brick is listed as 203W and 16.5A that would go down to

150W and 12.1A W(watts) A(amps) now at least the lights won't flicker when the 360 powers up and feeds on all that juice.


(on a side note no Wonder so many Gamestops have been robbed lately they just lay on the floor unsecured 10 PS3's and 10 360's as they do inventory on the main store floor)


So having the Sonic game might guarantee having the Jasper model?
What about the SEGA Superstar Tennis? Would that be the Falcon model?

I have been trying the Walmarts near me and none have had a Jasper. The Gamestops are useless. Both GS's tell me the Jaspers aren't out yet. One of them also said they have no idea how to tell since you can't open the box.

If you work in a game store you should read up on crap to know what you are talking about. The search for the Jasper is wearing me out!

I had to return 2 Falcons, both stated lot 843X FDOU, 10-23-08. Both had physical memory cards, 175W bricks, and rated 14.2.

I then bought a FDOU 843X, built 3 days earlier - 10-20-08 - rated 12.1, and came with no memory card, and a 150W brick. Let's hope this batch isn't more crap.

You can tell from the box. I learned this after having to return the first 2 Falcons. In the window on the box (serial number, born date), push the console to the right so you can see immediately to the left of the born on date. You'll either see 14.2, or 12.1. More than likely, you'll just be able to see the last number, "2" or "1." Go for the "1."

unless it says TEAM FDOU or Team CSON don't buy it

also unless it says 12.1A don't buy it

unless it says TEAM FDOU or Team CSON don't buy it

also unless it says 12.1A don't buy it

Hmm... then the BestBuy in my area has all Jaspers then, because there was a ton of arcades on display and you could pick them up and look at the box and see the actual lot number, all were team FDOU.

I bought one yesterday looks like i have a Jasper!:eek::D

i personally can't wait for the first Jasper to RRoD, then people can wait for the next version, and the next version, and well...

i mean really, people with launch 360's that still work fine must be cracking the f*** up right about now...

Sweet! Does your new Jasper run quieter?

Depends. The DVD ROM spins loud just like everyone elses, but I install all games to the HD so it doesn't really matter to me.

When you turn it on, the fans on low sound like a falcon. However, after 4 hours of COD4, the fans never reved higher then when I turned it on - they stayed on low - must be directly related to the decreased heat output from the GPU.

So the answer is yes, but only b/c the system doesn't call for higher fan speed (in my experience).

unless it says TEAM FDOU or Team CSON don't buy it

also unless it says 12.1A don't buy it

Exactly right.

Hmm... then the BestBuy in my area has all Jaspers then, because there was a ton of arcades on display and you could pick them up and look at the box and see the actual lot number, all were team FDOU.

I bought one yesterday looks like i have a Jasper!:eek::D

Team has nothing to do with it at this point. The best indicator from the outside of the box is the amps to the left of the sticker of the console itself.

i personally can't wait for the first Jasper to RRoD, then people can wait for the next version, and the next version, and well...

i mean really, people with launch 360's that still work fine must be cracking the f*** up right about now...

Absolutely Jaspers will RRoD. Not all RRoD was heat related (though most were). No other console is 100% reliable and neither will the Jasper 360 be. However, folks should have a markedly increased comfort level with one as the main culprit for failure has been addressed (GPU heat). Everything fails eventually - I can live with that.

i personally can't wait for the first Jasper to RRoD, then people can wait for the next version, and the next version, and well...

i mean really, people with launch 360's that still work fine must be cracking the f*** up right about now...

I actually feel the opposite 5.1.6. I get tired of the RROD threads, and would love to see an end to it. I use my 360 just as much as the next guy and have experienced RROD twice.. but its no where near as horrible of an experience as some people make it seem.

It would be nice to know there is finally a 360 available where it isnt a concern. That why those whining about it can shut the hell up.. and those really concerned about it can feel secure.

Where would one look for the Team FDOU or Team CSON tags? Can you find them without opening the box?

Where would one look for the Team FDOU or Team CSON tags? Can you find them without opening the box?

Team tags are on the sticker on the OUTSIDE of the box. The Amp readings are on the sticker of the console INSIDE the box. You can make out the Amps if you fight w/ it a little bit by looking in the flap.

Thanks Jopopsy. I will be on the hunt for a jasper this evening. Here's hoping I get lucky!

I get tired of the RROD threads, and would love to see an end to it.
so would i, but come on now, after 3 years and 4 versions the 360 is still built like a you know what and pretty much everyone knows it. yet, people still buy them every day, sometimes replacing the 360 system that just broke on them. sure, i HOPE it ends, but i think by now that pretty much everyone in these forums KNOWS that will more than likely NEVER happen...

"So having the Sonic game might guarantee having the Jasper model?
What about the SEGA Superstar Tennis? Would that be the Falcon model?"

I was assuming that the tennis game is the sonic on the cover is this not true? Do they have a new sonic centered bundle out?

so would i, but come on now, after 3 years and 4 versions the 360 is still built like a you know what and pretty much everyone knows it. yet, people still buy them every day, sometimes replacing the 360 system that just broke on them. sure, i HOPE it ends, but i think by now that pretty much everyone in these forums KNOWS that will more than likely NEVER happen...

Again I have to disagree. With every revision the RROD numbers have been going down. I would say the original 360 was atleast 50% defective. The Falcon units have reduced that number greatly.. to what I believe is 5-10%. Hopefully the Jasper lives up to the hype and solves it for good.

I think you are looking at it the wrong way. YES. Their has been 3 years, and 2 major versions of the 360. But Yes those revisions have improved things.

Keep this in mind. A company doesnt take a $1 Billion write off on a defective product unless they are serious about fixing the problem. Every RROD costs MS money one way or another. Either thats a unit they have to repair under warranty cost on their dime and/or thats another RROD horror story written on the internet and spread by word of mouth keeping future 360 sales down.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out MS.. needs to put an end to RROD for good. ESPECIALLY before they launch their NextBox. Consumers need to have confidence that they have truly found & solved the problem.

My Jasper console puts out about 1/4 of the amount of noise that my launch console had. Much quieter at idle and much quieter DVD drive.

My launch 360 finally went RROD after thanksgiving.. I think it took some bumps from being relocated for family use. Next startup was the failure.

I did some research to try and find a Jasper when I went to buy a new 360 arcade. I visited about 5 different stores and I didn't find a single Lot # that was as high as 0843X.

I think I got lucky finding the jasper..

I ended up getting one at Target, manufacture date 10-14-08, Lot 0842X. 12.1Amps on the back console sticker

green box with sonic tennis stickers.

175W power supply and 256megs internal memory with no external memory card. box is marked 256megs memory, is there any changes between that marking with the internal 256meg memory jasper units vs. the 256meg memory card instead?

so it looks like only the arcades, with no external mem card, rated at 12,1 A(mps) are the jaspers. I looked at two arcades with the sega/sonic game; both were rated 14,2A and had an external mem card with them and had Team FDOU on the box. I assume b/c of 14,2 they were NOT jaspers.

I tried two different gamestops in houston, neither had the 12,1A consoles. :( Just keep looking now, I guess.

My launch 360 finally went RROD after thanksgiving.. I think it took some bumps from being relocated for family use. Next startup was the failure.

I did some research to try and find a Jasper when I went to buy a new 360 arcade. I visited about 5 different stores and I didn't find a single Lot # that was as high as 0843X.

I think I got lucky finding the jasper..

I ended up getting one at Target, manufacture date 10-14-08, Lot 0842X. 12.1Amps on the back console sticker

green box with sonic tennis stickers.

175W power supply and 256megs internal memory with no external memory card. box is marked 256megs memory, is there any changes between that marking with the internal 256meg memory jasper units vs. the 256meg memory card instead?

Check the power connect input on the back of the 360. Does the plastic piece near the top look like this -- -- ? If it does, you have a Jasper.

Teams ADUE and TMEM are "repackaging teams." Their lot numbers aren't truly indicative of their age. The only sure fire way of finding a Jasper without buying it first, is pushing the console to the right so you can see the amperage rating through the serial number window. It was kind of embarrassing going to stores and doing this as an adult. But I bought 2 consoles (one as a gift for a friend who is always too broke to buy luxury items) and I don't want either of us going through any crap. It was worth it to me, and hopefully continues to be.

Anyone knows of any Elite Jaspers out & about? My Falcon Elite just gave me a E74 error message. Right when I was about to gather my group of 4 for a L4D expert run. :mad:

I've tried pushing the console, but I can never get it far enough right to see the amperage. But let me ask, if the Arcade does not come with an external memory card, isnt that a Jasper as well. They've got internal memory instead. So, is there a "contents of this package" demarkation on the box?

Just read through the thread - great info. So am I correct that as of now there have been no confirmed 360 Pro or Elite Jaspers?

I went looking for a JAsper today at GAmestop no luck.

all said TEAM:TEMA or TEME or some other team which is just a Team of people who repack older 360's in new Packaging. Build Date was 8-22-08 NOT 10-23-08

I will keep trying for some reason, I really want one with HDMI mow HDMI 1.3 I think and 65nm CPU and 65nm GPU.

Should be quiter and less heat.

What?

Just read through the thread - great info. So am I correct that as of now there have been no confirmed 360 Pro or Elite Jaspers?

Some Pros have been found but the Elites don't seem to have changed motherboards yet. The Jasper Pros don't have the onboard 256mb.

Considering the Elites are the most expensive 360 configuration.. their sales probably have the lowest volume. And will probably be the last to be updated on store shelves.

The day my Falcon Elite died out I went to BB that night to swap it out for a new one and the most recent build date I could find was 9-11-2008. The Elite systems now come bundled with 2 free games, LEGO Indy & Kung Fu Panda. Great stocking stuffers.

I wish my folks gave me $65 stocking stuffers when I was a kid! Sheesh, that's more like their entire x-mas budget! :o

Just read through the thread - great info. So am I correct that as of now there have been no confirmed 360 Pro or Elite Jaspers?

No confirmed Elites, but Pros certainly. I have one. Others are finding them. Check out the Anandtech forum link I posted earlier.

mean really, people with launch 360's that still work fine must be cracking the f*** up right about now...

Yes I have a chuckle every now and then.

The dance continues.
I played a bit of Fable II last night and all throughout Bloodstone my system would just lock up for no good reason. Games like CoD4, RB2 & GoW2 worked just fine. Popped in L4D this morning and it locks up every time on the main menu. Looks like it's on to system #8 :mad: